Carthage is my absolute favorite Civ to play. Take Messenger of the Gods and settle a bunch of Coastal Cities very quickly -> Become Wide Early with several low pop cities, actually gives you good science -> Go Rationalism->Order -> Get Rich and shit ton of science from bulbing
Carthage was actually my first cultural win! the coastal city connection bonus can be quite nice but otherwise it's a very underwhelming civ. During that game I ended up building roads anyways to move my units around faster
Carthage might be a lousy civ, but their AI is freakin awesome. Carthage managed to take over half the map when I played against them on a Highlands map
Me and you have a different game code lmao! In my games Dido is always the most retarded AI. I've seen her make it to information era on a single city (she did not lose cities in war, she legit NEVER EXPANDED).
I feel like the free Harbor ability is extremely underrated. Its actually amazing when you play on archipelago map and start taking other cities because all your territory is instantly connected. This way you dont ever have to waste production to build Harbors which require quite a bit of production and you never have to build roads obviously. You can earn tons of gold, save a lot of production and focus more on building naval units to take more cities. To sum it up, playing with Carthage was one of my easiest Deity games xD
On an archipelago, it's decent! however if there's even one of your other cities on the same continent you'll inevitably need roads too for land troop movements and trade.
Still for me its better having free harbour than literal downgrade of workshop as Iroqouis with their longhouse. Mohawk is very similar to war elephant, but his strength isnt increased even without iron. Dido at least shines on Archipelago, Iroquois shines nowhere.
Hey leave my friend Dido alone. I love making a special alliance with her. Carthage even went toe-toe with Rome itself. Putting up quite a fight to the very bitter end.
I will not deny Dido is Bad ! , , , however I'll go out on a limb and say situational as it is, Carthage can use their mountain bonus "defensively". How: By being able to build roads tiles on top of otherwise inconvenient mountain tiles thus shorting the road length. Usefulness in descending order. 1: Lessened maintenance cost. (Likely only 1 - 3 tiles though it adds up.) 2: Lessened overall Repair time. (Context: Total of pillagible segments.) 3: Lessened pillaging risk. (Protecting City connection gold income for the inland.) 4: (Rarely) Shorter travel distance, for faster reinforcement. (Player might turn the tide with an extra action.) Now critique this to your hearts content.
Im not familiar with this - how does the worker survive long enough on the tile to complete the road? Does it only take one turn to build a road on a mountain?
@@JumboPixel Build time is standard You have to cycle 2+ workers having them heal periodically to get it done without losing them. But it is on occasion useful.
@@tomveloso6231 Venice is bad in the sense that you'll always have expansion problems, but I appreciate it's change of pace for singleplayer quite a lot. It's one of my favorites.
Carthage may be bad but it is definitely not the worst civ in the game. None of their bonuses are detrimental (i.e. even if you get zero value out of them none of the bonuses are worse than not having them). Iroquois is the worst civ in the game. First, because the Mohawk warriors are irrelevant (you don't build swordsmen you build composite and crossbows with a few horsemen to take cities). Even if you wanted melee you'd probably be rushing techs that would lead you to Pikeman (and the freshwater food bonus) instead of Swordsmen. Their bonus is good but not quite as good as advertised because forests are not as good as roads at transporting units since you actually lose extra movement everytime you enter the forest (not to mention you may need to clear forests to get to luxuries/strategic resources or not have forests where you need them for city connections). The starting bias is good but has poor synergy with the civ bonus since you can't chop down the forests you spawn around or your loghouse will be weak and you'll lose mobility and city connections. Finally, the log house is such an awful workshop replacement that it actually makes the civ worse than playing a vanilla civ with no bonuses majority of the time. It can be good but you basically need a wide empire (which you may not have the luxuries for) and to rush your opponent with your wide empire before you fall too far behind in techs and hammers (which isn't reliable unless you're on a tiny pangaea map with an enemy civ that isn't a war civ also going wide).
I actively still play civ v a ton (with friends and my partner) and I play Dido every time. With the right strategy, there’s no civ that is impossible. I like spitting out as many colonies as possible so the happiness from seaports with the right policies comes in handy as well as their quinqueremes being better early on. The African elephants are useful early game against barbarians with honor unlocked for movement and wiping them out for free culture. Not sure they’d hold up in a hard game without clever strategy but they frequently end up in the jungle and with science from jungle tiles, it typically becomes a good powerhouse of science midgame. 🤷🏻♀️
Hey! Japan is overthere peacefully building fishing boats, you leave them out of this. I think it's cute how they find jobs for their warrior's in their spare time.
Guess I'll take on the role of devils advocate for Japan. The Fishing Boat portion of their ability does slightly help with border expansion. Because even a JP city with access to only a single Fishing Boat tile can still culturally expand its borders at the same rate as another city that has either its Monument + (An Amphitheater / Liberty opener / or a +1 Culture from x pantheon tile.) Save for the City Monument, this frees up that cities production queue from either "a hammer expensive Amphitheater" or a "gold intensive land purchase" that would serve anger the neighboring Civ even more then just the Cities outright existence; Ultimately giving more time to prepare the cities defensibility.
I played Carthage once on an archipelago map and thought the free harbors in all of my cities were pretty neat. I don't think I've ever crossed a single mountain in that game, but that didn't preven that game from being fun.
Carthage would've been better if it always had 2 Ivory resources on every start, and as long as they had Ivory they could make a far more powerful cavalry unit.
Nice video. While I don’t disagree with Carthage’s limitations as set forth here I have a question on Tier Lists in general and specifically Civ V vs. Civ VI. In Civ VI I feel like tier lists are for fun and give us all something to argue about. If you’re a good player I believe you can beat the AI on Deity with any Civ and that the Civ specific units and abilities, while nice, don’t really matter. My question is (assuming my statement is true about Civ VI), with regard to Civ V does it matter more or is a good player less dependent on which Civ. I see Civs like Poland and Babylon in Civ V as more relatively powerful than anything I see in Civ VI. Still, I wonder if you just ignore a Civs uniques and just build a 4 city Tradition empire and go for a science victory will it matter.
Completely disagree unless it's a map with no useful coast. Carthage is a master of the early game however you have to play according to their strengths. Keep LOS up on all their coastal cities and watch the wealth steam roll thru. War Elephants are great land defense and powerful mobile unit. Seriously Carthage can be ridiculously op in the early game and hold on to that power for longer if you setup everything right in the early game and no one takes you down or anything like that.
Carthage isnt bad on slower game phases where you can use units more efficiently for longer time. Surely, you are forced to spend more time training the units, but quintriemes are very solid early game and basically only beatable by byzantines dromones. But still, caught offguard civ with great lighthouse in the city in first 150 turns is almost insta win for me, even on immortal/deity dificulty.
The worst civ is Venetians and Cheroky(1prodaction from forests is WAY worse than 15% of 100/200prodacrion in mid/late game). They are weaker than if you can have civ with no bonuses
It's a shame Carthage is propably the worst Civ in the Civ game. They should at least have some bonuses to naval combat or production, and given a few more bonuses to rough terrain or 1 more unique unit for combat.
That road bonus and the longhouse are just amazing. I've ended up with huge production when I went order ideology while maintaining my early economy due to not having to have as many roads. They are my favourite to play when I'm bored.
unfortunately my experience is almost the opposite: - city connection is lost outside of borders and over rivers, so i ended up building roads anyway so i can move my army quickly - forests are more useful for early settlers/wonders etc. the longhouse bonus comes too late and isn't enough to offset the early disadvantage if you keep them around. - the UU is...well i rarely use swordsman so there's nothing special i remember about them. the legions at least can build roads, i dunno what iroquis UU can do
I hate the Iroquois, turned my Diplomatic Playthrough into a Domination one when I got so pissed they kept settling near my lands yoinking my resources, everybody in the world suddenly started caring about these losers who SETTLES EVERYTHING IN THE MAP, despite so many of them wanted me to y'know, declare war on them for settling on their land but oh so when I start razing cities and clearing out that infestation problem, suddenly I'M THE PROBLEM NOW?! So yeah, I went for the Giant Death Robot approach to diplomacy and took their capitals, Huh, turns out murdering everybody else makes for a peaceful world eh?
Actually, i just started a match in MARATHON (yes i love pain) and Carthage's éléphants are super strong in this type of gameplay. My dumbo boi don't care about Himalaya also becuz he is toi fast damn (Fck why am i playing Carthage in marathon ? -_-')
I love using Dido on medium to low difficulty in an archipelago map and synergizing with messenger of the gods and Liberty culture tree. Also few city states so there is plenty of space to spread out. But yeah the war elephant and quinqereme are trash, and climbing mountains should be standard unit movements (keeping the unit damage would be fine). Plus once you research dynamite you should be able to build roads and eventually railroads through mountain tiles anyway.
Yes! That’s a great way to play Dido (really one of the only ways of you want to win 😅) I wish Civ 5 handled mountains better. Your suggestions are great. Would be nice to see the next Civ game build on the work Civ 6 did but make it even better.
@@teolechaczynski with mods? I've played civ5 for since its release and have never built a road on a mountain. I will check it out tonight and get back to you.
Carthage: We can cross mountains!!
Also Carthage: *Your Unit has died*
😂😂😂
The only thing I remember about Carthage in CIV V is the fact that they had a size 25 city in the Sahara in my first game.
Their only moment of glory
Carthage is my absolute favorite Civ to play. Take Messenger of the Gods and settle a bunch of Coastal Cities very quickly -> Become Wide Early with several low pop cities, actually gives you good science -> Go Rationalism->Order -> Get Rich and shit ton of science from bulbing
This like the basic of Carthage, thanks for explaining those "majority" how to play Civ 5
Carthage was actually my first cultural win! the coastal city connection bonus can be quite nice but otherwise it's a very underwhelming civ. During that game I ended up building roads anyways to move my units around faster
Ok now you convinced me to play Carthage.
I was hoping a brave soul would take the challenge!
Carthage might be a lousy civ, but their AI is freakin awesome. Carthage managed to take over half the map when I played against them on a Highlands map
Me and you have a different game code lmao! In my games Dido is always the most retarded AI. I've seen her make it to information era on a single city (she did not lose cities in war, she legit NEVER EXPANDED).
I feel like the free Harbor ability is extremely underrated. Its actually amazing when you play on archipelago map and start taking other cities because all your territory is instantly connected. This way you dont ever have to waste production to build Harbors which require quite a bit of production and you never have to build roads obviously. You can earn tons of gold, save a lot of production and focus more on building naval units to take more cities. To sum it up, playing with Carthage was one of my easiest Deity games xD
On an archipelago, it's decent! however if there's even one of your other cities on the same continent you'll inevitably need roads too for land troop movements and trade.
Still for me its better having free harbour than literal downgrade of workshop as Iroqouis with their longhouse. Mohawk is very similar to war elephant, but his strength isnt increased even without iron. Dido at least shines on Archipelago, Iroquois shines nowhere.
Love the energy! Funny running into this after just having watched your early game guide from way back
Oh awesome! Welcome 🤗
Ironic that in Civ 6 the SpiffingBrit managed to span Giant Death Robots with an exploit...using Carthage (named Phoenicia in that game).
Oh really! Sounds like the two Carthage’s are worlds apart them! They both love Harbours though!
Carthage is not Phoenicia; Phoenicia is not Carthage. Carthage *may* have some ancestry in Phoenicia, but that's not at all being the same thing.
Hey leave my friend Dido alone. I love making a special alliance with her. Carthage even went toe-toe with Rome itself. Putting up quite a fight to the very bitter end.
They reenacted the Punic Wars 🥺
I will not deny Dido is Bad ! , , , however I'll go out on a limb and say situational as it is, Carthage can use their mountain bonus "defensively".
How: By being able to build roads tiles on top of otherwise inconvenient mountain tiles thus shorting the road length.
Usefulness in descending order.
1: Lessened maintenance cost. (Likely only 1 - 3 tiles though it adds up.)
2: Lessened overall Repair time. (Context: Total of pillagible segments.)
3: Lessened pillaging risk. (Protecting City connection gold income for the inland.)
4: (Rarely) Shorter travel distance, for faster reinforcement. (Player might turn the tide with an extra action.)
Now critique this to your hearts content.
Im not familiar with this - how does the worker survive long enough on the tile to complete the road? Does it only take one turn to build a road on a mountain?
@@JumboPixel Build time is standard You have to cycle 2+ workers having them heal periodically to get it done without losing them. But it is on occasion useful.
How to get rid of cost of roads - get Commerce policy. Done. Case closed, stop discussing roads pls, rtfm the Civilopedia pls.
When you're somehow a worse civ than Venice
Venice on single player can be not bad really
@@tomveloso6231 Venice is bad in the sense that you'll always have expansion problems, but I appreciate it's change of pace for singleplayer quite a lot. It's one of my favorites.
Hahahahaha! Yup.
You watch your mouth
@@aurel724 but yeah Venice on a huge map is nauseating drudgery.
Carthage can also build roads on mountains. If you happen to settle near a mountain range, you should always take advantage of that.
Carthage may be bad but it is definitely not the worst civ in the game. None of their bonuses are detrimental (i.e. even if you get zero value out of them none of the bonuses are worse than not having them).
Iroquois is the worst civ in the game. First, because the Mohawk warriors are irrelevant (you don't build swordsmen you build composite and crossbows with a few horsemen to take cities). Even if you wanted melee you'd probably be rushing techs that would lead you to Pikeman (and the freshwater food bonus) instead of Swordsmen. Their bonus is good but not quite as good as advertised because forests are not as good as roads at transporting units since you actually lose extra movement everytime you enter the forest (not to mention you may need to clear forests to get to luxuries/strategic resources or not have forests where you need them for city connections). The starting bias is good but has poor synergy with the civ bonus since you can't chop down the forests you spawn around or your loghouse will be weak and you'll lose mobility and city connections. Finally, the log house is such an awful workshop replacement that it actually makes the civ worse than playing a vanilla civ with no bonuses majority of the time. It can be good but you basically need a wide empire (which you may not have the luxuries for) and to rush your opponent with your wide empire before you fall too far behind in techs and hammers (which isn't reliable unless you're on a tiny pangaea map with an enemy civ that isn't a war civ also going wide).
I actively still play civ v a ton (with friends and my partner) and I play Dido every time. With the right strategy, there’s no civ that is impossible. I like spitting out as many colonies as possible so the happiness from seaports with the right policies comes in handy as well as their quinqueremes being better early on. The African elephants are useful early game against barbarians with honor unlocked for movement and wiping them out for free culture. Not sure they’d hold up in a hard game without clever strategy but they frequently end up in the jungle and with science from jungle tiles, it typically becomes a good powerhouse of science midgame. 🤷🏻♀️
I’m always looking to find new Civ players. What’s your Steam name? I’ll add you.
Dude, Awesome video. As an active Civ V player i appreciate recent video content. Cheers from Russia!
Hey, thanks! 😎
Ah yes, the only civ I have not won with yet
And for good reason 😅
@@JumboPixel yea, I refused to play them so far xD
How are they the worst civ in the game when the Iroquois and Japan exist
Might aswell add Venice to the list
@@PKD145 Venice at least has fun mechanics that make it different for a single player game, the other two are just bad
@@thintick6504 that's true
Hey! Japan is overthere peacefully building fishing boats, you leave them out of this. I think it's cute how they find jobs for their warrior's in their spare time.
Guess I'll take on the role of devils advocate for Japan.
The Fishing Boat portion of their ability does slightly help with border expansion. Because even a JP city with access to only a single Fishing Boat tile can still culturally expand its borders at the same rate as another city that has either its Monument + (An Amphitheater / Liberty opener / or a +1 Culture from x pantheon tile.)
Save for the City Monument, this frees up that cities production queue from either "a hammer expensive Amphitheater" or a "gold intensive land purchase" that would serve anger the neighboring Civ even more then just the Cities outright existence; Ultimately giving more time to prepare the cities defensibility.
Is the free harbor built in captured cities?
Do captured harbors become free?
If I lose a city, does its harbor remain free?
Dido in Vanilla Brave New World: Absolute trash
Dido in Vox Populi: Ridiculously OP as fk
I played Carthage once on an archipelago map and thought the free harbors in all of my cities were pretty neat. I don't think I've ever crossed a single mountain in that game, but that didn't preven that game from being fun.
take my combat strength dido i know you need it
My goodness she needs it…
Carthage would've been better if it always had 2 Ivory resources on every start, and as long as they had Ivory they could make a far more powerful cavalry unit.
People might shit on Carthage, but we have all had times where you wish you were Dido so you don't have to walk all around a mountain chain.
Nice video. While I don’t disagree with Carthage’s limitations as set forth here I have a question on Tier Lists in general and specifically Civ V vs. Civ VI.
In Civ VI I feel like tier lists are for fun and give us all something to argue about. If you’re a good player I believe you can beat the AI on Deity with any Civ and that the Civ specific units and abilities, while nice, don’t really matter. My question is (assuming my statement is true about Civ VI), with regard to Civ V does it matter more or is a good player less dependent on which Civ. I see Civs like Poland and Babylon in Civ V as more relatively powerful than anything I see in Civ VI. Still, I wonder if you just ignore a Civs uniques and just build a 4 city Tradition empire and go for a science victory will it matter.
Carthage would be good marathon contender. Due to eras lasting longer and units having more time until obsoletion.
Completely disagree unless it's a map with no useful coast. Carthage is a master of the early game however you have to play according to their strengths. Keep LOS up on all their coastal cities and watch the wealth steam roll thru. War Elephants are great land defense and powerful mobile unit.
Seriously Carthage can be ridiculously op in the early game and hold on to that power for longer if you setup everything right in the early game and no one takes you down or anything like that.
Carthage isnt bad on slower game phases where you can use units more efficiently for longer time. Surely, you are forced to spend more time training the units, but quintriemes are very solid early game and basically only beatable by byzantines dromones. But still, caught offguard civ with great lighthouse in the city in first 150 turns is almost insta win for me, even on immortal/deity dificulty.
at 3k you must play cathage
Oh that would be funny!
The worst civ is Venetians and Cheroky(1prodaction from forests is WAY worse than 15% of 100/200prodacrion in mid/late game). They are weaker than if you can have civ with no bonuses
But consider their free harbors on archipelago and science for city connection faith belief
It's a shame Carthage is propably the worst Civ in the Civ game. They should at least have some bonuses to naval combat or production, and given a few more bonuses to rough terrain or 1 more unique unit for combat.
Die-Doh, not Dee-Doh.
Purely aesthetic, but I really like Carthage's music, and I'm willing to overlook their other flaws for that reason alone.
It’s so funny your say that because in a clip I cut from the final video I mentioned that but thought it was something nobody would care about lol
@@JumboPixel it gives me the Hanibal vibes when I pillage enemy territory with war elephants
Pantheon plus 2 science per city connection and exploration inc production and happiness per harbor
This dude: dido is the worst leader in civ 5
Iroquois: amateurs
That road bonus and the longhouse are just amazing. I've ended up with huge production when I went order ideology while maintaining my early economy due to not having to have as many roads. They are my favourite to play when I'm bored.
unfortunately my experience is almost the opposite:
- city connection is lost outside of borders and over rivers, so i ended up building roads anyway so i can move my army quickly
- forests are more useful for early settlers/wonders etc. the longhouse bonus comes too late and isn't enough to offset the early disadvantage if you keep them around.
- the UU is...well i rarely use swordsman so there's nothing special i remember about them. the legions at least can build roads, i dunno what iroquis UU can do
I hate the Iroquois, turned my Diplomatic Playthrough into a Domination one when I got so pissed they kept settling near my lands yoinking my resources, everybody in the world suddenly started caring about these losers who SETTLES EVERYTHING IN THE MAP, despite so many of them wanted me to y'know, declare war on them for settling on their land but oh so when I start razing cities and clearing out that infestation problem, suddenly I'M THE PROBLEM NOW?! So yeah, I went for the Giant Death Robot approach to diplomacy and took their capitals, Huh, turns out murdering everybody else makes for a peaceful world eh?
I'm so glad that Washington wasn't the subject of this video.
Actually, i just started a match in MARATHON (yes i love pain) and Carthage's éléphants are super strong in this type of gameplay. My dumbo boi don't care about Himalaya also becuz he is toi fast damn
(Fck why am i playing Carthage in marathon ? -_-')
Iirc Carthage can found cities on mountains. Not super useful but very fun.
Compared to Polynesia or India they are just trash and have no actual win condition bias. I don't how to play them at all.
Cheers, for the guide.
dido is both bad and the BADDEST leader in the game
I say iroquois is worse than Carthage but I don't know if anyone else is
I love using Dido on medium to low difficulty in an archipelago map and synergizing with messenger of the gods and Liberty culture tree. Also few city states so there is plenty of space to spread out. But yeah the war elephant and quinqereme are trash, and climbing mountains should be standard unit movements (keeping the unit damage would be fine). Plus once you research dynamite you should be able to build roads and eventually railroads through mountain tiles anyway.
Yes! That’s a great way to play Dido (really one of the only ways of you want to win 😅)
I wish Civ 5 handled mountains better. Your suggestions are great. Would be nice to see the next Civ game build on the work Civ 6 did but make it even better.
You can builds roads on mountains
@@teolechaczynski in civ 6? I haven't spent much time in that game.
@@Luke_Freeman sorry I meant In civ 5
@@teolechaczynski with mods? I've played civ5 for since its release and have never built a road on a mountain. I will check it out tonight and get back to you.
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it!
are you F tier civ? no, i'm Carthage tier :'(
We call it, garbage tier 😅
Oof
play with vox pop they rule big time
Nice idea! Dido needs it...
i think Venice is the worst civ
In single player I’d take Venice over Carthage any day, but you’re right they’re not the best 😅
Carthage and Portugal are just so Meh lol
so very, very meh.
I couldn't disagree more. The free harbor yields tons of money and have won on every level but deity with dido
I disagree
Yeah but you play on low difficulty