How can you feel SORRY for a murderer? That shows how easily you can be manipulated by her deliberately soft girlish voice. Thank God you aren't on the jury! What you don't realise is that this was a choice and had you been in that cult and in their way, you too would be killed without a thought. No empathy due to complete sociopathic grandiose narcissism.
Its like an abusive relationship, you wouldnt date someone you know is a monster. It takes time, manipulators know how to find vulnerable people and exploit those vulnerabilities. They dont show you their real face until they are confident they have you in their control.
Why I believe Audrey 100 percent is because she was honest enough to admit she almost fell for their beliefs although you can tell she was embarrassed to admit it, and so I doubt she was lying about Loris death threats plus her emotions were totally authentic! I knew a crazy person like LV 10 years ago who threatened a child in that manner and no one believed me that she was sociopathic until another person finally heard her go into evil mode and threatened that kid, then they knew she was batcrap crazy!
IMO I totally believe Audrey about the threat Lori made to her. Audrey truly seemed very frightened of Lori. I was upset the defense attorney was so hateful sounding when cross examination this vulnerable soul. He was awful to Audrey.😡
@@carolerichard5250 yeah they can be downright nasty, I had one “my ex’s defense attorney “ actually cackle and laugh at me while testifying at my domestic violence hearing, among being super rude! I would have put in a complaint to the bar but the small southern town I live in where everybody knows everybody you can’t step on toes here, or you will inevitably pay the price some other way.that behavior would have never been tolerated in a big city court where you can actually get them in trouble. I feel bad for Audrey who probably relieves that nightmare daily.
I just listened to Lori’s cousin taking about how Alex made her come check on “Stacy” the older sister who died… when they went to check on her, she was dead. She knew it was Alex. He also is suspected of killing Joe Ryan.. Lori was already pure evil when she met Chad…
What did Chad have that Lori wanted?? ONLY her belief (& his) that he was some sort of Chosen prophet & that she would be by his side. If she hadn't believed him, she wouldn't have looked twice at him, he had NOTHING for her to gain.
@@MissOrchid12 true but I believe she didn’t want her kids anymore, she had told someone she was tired of Tylee and JJ but also Chad, Lori and Alex all had demonic attachments on them. Chad and Lori had a plan which they manipulated Alex and were manipulating these other women to bring in their “church”……fame, power, greed always brings evil 👿 manipulation is a form of witchcraft.
If I heard a mother tell me her baby boy was going to have a short life. I would be screaming from the rafters until someone did something! How do all these women fall for this!
There is something missing in their lives, a void or long emptiness that is fulfilled by believing this crap. But Chad and Lori looked for a certain gullible type.
@@eggpickerwth is wrong with your brain... so hating and ostracizing trans kids is ok?? You don't have to let trans kids have hormones and surgeries to support them and love them and help them. You are so ignorant it's mind boggling.
This truly happened to me. I was walking my baby boy, he was about 2 weeks old in his pram and something told me or came across me that I couldn't or wouldn't see him as a 5 year old. He passed away at 6 weeks old. I had just dropped off my 6 and 4 year old to kindergarten and primary school and it was something that came over me and I brushed it off. Was it a fear or a warning? I still don't know and I still cry even thinking about it but I never mentioned it to anyone before he passed. I just wish I had taken whatever this was seriously so please don't speculate on what another person could go through...
Because Rob Wood was so busy protecting the LDS Church, he gave a lot of them plea deals, his job is to prosecute the guilty, it is not his job to protect the LDS Church which he just happens to be a member of. it is disgraceful
@@patriciatreslove4449Maybe no one has explained this to you, but Rob Wood can't give immunity deals in AZ, he is a prosecutor in Idaho. If she has not been filed on in AZ, where the attempted murder occurred, it is because the prosecutors there have not seen enough evidence to believe they can get a conviction, which is the standard for filing charges.
@@patriciatreslove4449also, even if prosecutors in AZ did agree to immunity there for Melanie Gibb, there is nothing wrong or unusual about that. Four people, not counting Alex, are dead. Convicting the killers is a top priority and concessions may need to be made to do that. It is a normal part of prosecuting group crimes.
Chad's physical look is soft and pliable. He looks totally disarming. No woman would be afraid of him by his looks. If anything he looks weak. And that's why he's so dangerous. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing.
If it's one thing that we have learned not just from criminal history of the last 40 years but also just within the last three years..Murdaugh, daybell, stauch and so many more...it's that people are often not how they make themselves seem to be. It's a lesson to all of us that we take our time getting to know new people and don't give away our trust so easily. If you get a gut feeling about someone, please listen to it and respect it. Analyze what they say and do and pay attention to what doesn't align. Take your time and go slow. If it feels off. It usually IS off. These people are very calculated and usually are 3 steps ahead of the person they're using. You have to be aware.
Chad with his book ‘One foot in the grave’ made me chuckle. Here in the UK it’s the name of a sit-com featuring Victor Meldrew, a dour old man who’s catch phrase is ‘I don’t believe it’. I hope both Lori and Chad spend the rest of their days, and hopefully there will be many, thinking of all those lives they have destroyed. Wicked people using faith to defend their positions.
the irony of I don't believe it is so fitting here! I really don't believe it. In my mind, Chad and Lori have pretended that they are religious, have had previous lives and are going to lead their followers to salvation. Their 'mission' was simply to brainwash as many insecure, gullible people to do their dirty work all for just one thing, money. This whole prophet/Goddess malarkey, was a smokescreen to achieve their ultimate goal of living off money collected on the deaths of innocent people and never having to work again. Just my opinion, of course.
AFTER Lori and Chad met and got TOGETHER 5 people were dead within months, including Lori's two children! This was all about money, greed, revenge ,lust! Justice for their VICTIMS🙏🙏🙏🙏
I hate these people. Especially her. Those kids had loving grandparents. They could have let the children live. Adults can believe whatever coo-coo mumbo jumbo crap they want but leave kids alone! 😡
My then 18 year old brother was "taken in" by a cult not long after my step mom passed from cancer. It was extremely scary to see changes in him and the way he spoke was almost scripted, robot like. I am 15 years older than my brother and helped raise him, they had him turning against me telling him they were his only family. Several things happened over the span of 3 years but finally the cult leader had a falling out with his own children and it caused him to somewhat crumble. My brother was around the same age of his children and started to breakaway like they did...thank God! It was a terrifying time to see this happening and now well over 15 years later we can talk about how insane it all was. I'm blessed to have my little brother and so grateful of the man he has become.
Exactly. Anyone who puts themselves on a pedestal and looks down on the rest isn’t someone you want to have anything to do with. If anyone was on the dark side in all of this it was Lori and Chad. What they did to Tylee leaves me speechless. What they did to all their victims is appalling but Tylee’s treatment was just pure evil. And Lori is her mother. She carried her inside her womb and gave birth to her…… I’m mind boggled at their actions and “beliefs”
Ian's obviously chosen not to run, at least for now. They've been married for three and a half years. And when questioned by the defense attorney, Ian testified that he thought Lori and Chad had manipulated Melanie. Which is to say, Ian stood up for her. At least for now.
It makes me shudder to think that if the grandparents had just taken lorri word for it that the kids were safe and they didn't report them missing as quick as they did,the amount of more people those two could have got away with killing coz they were"zombies".
Melanie lost her mother who is lorries sister, who was a type one diabetic who they now think may have been a victim of foul play by Lori and Alex. Now that they reflect on what happened. 10:30
They typically target young people for a reason. They're much more susceptible to new ideas & belief systems. Many who think it's just "weakness" get a big shock when their children or loved ones fall prey.
Usually these women have low self confidence and are just mentally broke down and the leader builds them back up and gives them a purpose while manipulating them at the same time.
Anyone can be susceptible to a cult. Look at Scientology…there are lots of intelligent, good people believing in that bag of crazy. It feel’s unbelievable on the outside, but when you are in it, it makes sense. They just tap into what you are missing. Everyone has something.
Melanie Gibb was only a friend and a follower until the police was asking her about J.J.'s whereabouts. Then she said,she never really believed any of " that ". If this is true,she happened to be the first person to immediately call the authorities!! That both Melanie's where not charged is just not right. Sorry for my bad English,I'm from Germany. ♡
How naïve, impressionable, gullible and childish are these people? How does this happen that an adult can believe this utter nonsense? Well these ladies must be pretty lost, but Lori was not a follower - she was a leader. Nobody else killed their family.
I agree, Lori and Chad were the leaders. In 2Timothy 3:1-6 it speaks about weak women , burdened with sin and led astray by various passions, sounds exactly like these foolish undiscerning women.
Imo it is exactly a religious upbringing and the brainwashing since birth that make Christian people so gullible and believing utter nonsense as long as it has a biblical tie. I know I'm probably wasting my time, but... The Christian religion has used brimstone and hellfire to scare people into believing and behaving for over 2000 years while taking full advantage of their gullibility and fear of eternal doom. It has caused Christians everywhere to become obsessed with being one of the saved, resurrected souls. They work like slaves their entire lives for their churches to score points. It's like playing the Christian lottery - the more you give of yourself, the more likely you'll be saved. Others saw how well this worked as a tax free business opportunity. That's why there are almost 400 different Christian churches in the US alone and prophets for profit are appearing everywhere like poison mushrooms overnight. Originally the Christian religion was based upon a very ancient story applied to many other so called "saviours" long before the Christ. A tiny Christian cult was operational in Rome at the time it began its unification of the old Europe. The Christian religion was initially used purely as a political tool to unify Europe under Roman rule. Roman soldiers marched into Europe and killed our ancestors in the name of Christ - who were innocents practising a nature-based spirituality. The Church of Rome then flourished by usurping their lands, making poor people pay for their "sins," torturing and then burning innocent women and children at the stake and sending religiously crazed crusaders to kill and subject thousands of Muslims living in and around the "Holy Land." Their hatred towards the Christian infidels remains to this day. Children have been abused by church leaders since the very beginning. Rome is a city of sick men who protect their many pedophiles, enrich themselves off the backs of poor people and are actually involved in criminal activities. That's the original church after which many followed a similar albeit a less extremist route. However the modern cults like Jamestown are almost as bad as the original church of Rome Actually the good news is... you don't need a church to be a good person. Just prioritise your good values, believe in your own goodness by actively living out those values in your life. There is goodness in the world as much as there is evil. The choice lies within yourself. Be authentic. Don't brainwash little kids into this confusion. It's criminal imo.
The JW are the worst cult. They make you think you will die tomorrow every single day! It’s horrific! Armageddon is coming tomorrow…..what kind of life is that?
This is one wacky story where so many people were munipulated and murdered due to these two evil people! As trials go on, it shows that Lori was not munipulated and brainwashed but in fact she was leading and was a co-leader to this cult. No reasons should be accepted to reason for Charles, Tammy, Tylee and 7 years old little JJ brutal and deliberate deaths!
In my opinion, Lori was the instigator of the whole cult, not Chad. Remember Lori was determined to meet Chad at the beginning. She was the one who seduced Chad and he went along with it. Lori's family was dropping like flies after meeting Chad including her husband Charles while she and Chad were together. Then last but not least Tammy dies too at the end. Therefore, Lori was influencing Chad and her brother Alex to believe in murdering these people for her gain. I believe if Lori hadn't been stopped by the law eventually Chad would have been her next victim to die as well.
No sweet. If religion motivated those men, there would have been a certain ritual to the killing of zombies. But those kids were discarded with pure purpose of covering their tracks....tylee was burned to remove their DNA. Alex was sleeping with his sister and abusing his niece. The niece might have been planning on telling her dad. Alex killed him. Then he made friends with Chad through loris delusions and Chad was into it obviously. Chad is the gifted story teller,,,she is just a loopy easily manipulated follower tgat happily gave up the kids. The men drugged the kids to convince Lori they had to take them. They were acting weird. Those men raped Tylee. What did you tell yourself about the difference in how they were disposed of? In a way that ties in to chad believing he was killing zombies for god? Chad married Lori so she couldn't testify. And killed his wife because she found evidence of the kids being there. Maybe photos they took to enjoy later. Maybe she found a hair tye or a pair of underwear. And while she didn't know who they belonged to, if she was alive when police started looking for tylee,,that kind of info coukd get him caught
@@bbe3034 sexual abuse allegations... investigated by police. He is a creeper... LVD cousin , megan, is speaking out about him , on utube. Barry is his name,
It’s as simple as this; Lorry and Chad wanted to be together so they had to get rid of her husband, his wife, her children to support themselves financially from the social security. When Alex became demanding and since he knew everything they had to kill him. The entire case has nothing to do with the cult
Yes and no. When you listen to loris phone call with her son it seems she actually believes her children are “safe”. I think she actually believes everything she and chad predicted is still going to come true. But I still agree that it is more so not related to the cult.
Actually, there were men following him. Also, I find it interesting that you want to focus on the women, but there were men, including Melanie’s husband, not the niece Melanie, the other one. 4:14
Nah, it was 95% women. Look at “The weasel,“ and see about an hour of footage from different talks & the women were all over him while 2 or 3 men hung around in the back. If this had gone along for a time if the kids had not been killed, then Arizona or Idaho wouldn't have come after them & I tnk we of had another Manson family
Jesus warned in scripture that the gospel was completed by His death & resurrection & sternly warned that additions to that gospel were explicitely forbidden.
Jesus also warns us about many false prophets that get people to follow them! We as Christians need to exercise extreme discernment while dealing with people like this!
None of these "witnesses" deserve whatever immunity they were granted by the prosecution. They are still willing to follow whoever flatters their fragile narcissism.
I doubt the most basic things that come out of peoples mouths, so I struggle to imagine Chad or anyone convincing me I'd been alive before, much less that I'd been married to someone viewed by many as a savior. My skepticism is pretty extreme, but it keeps me cult free, so it's worth any downside.
I hope it keeps you religion free too! What religions preach, all of them with no exception, are lies! These in this case were invented by Chad and the other lies of the churches/religions were invented by men and women for money and power. I do hope you are skeptical of all of them.
Suggestion and they may have already but Police and FBI should read and inspect all of the books and any other materials videos,talks etc this man has published some people have bought his books are they still being sold and could be influencing people.Given what's allegedly gone on it would be good to look at everything he's put out.Peoples with psychiatric issues ,personality disorders could be triggered by him and hes clearly unstable himself so material he puts out would reflect that.
I dont buy it one bit!! Lori was turned over to her demise mind and she was already plotting, even before Chad came to her life. She already had a crippled mind and distorted behavior. She had Chad wrapped around her finger and she knew both her brother and Chad could help her get rid of all those deceased. Let’s wake up!!
@The Sleeping Dog. I agree. Lot’s of crazy/viscous behavior prior. When she decided to destroy Joseph Ryan’s life at any cost. And JR’s death I believe is under investigation. When she insisted her attorney have JR take out a huge life insurance policy in Lori’s name after they were divorced for Tylee. Chad was her fifth husband so there were problem’s way before they met. Her cousin recently told of her narcissistic behavior when young. Plus her dad is said to have serious behavior problem’s and her upbringing was strange. It’s just that as she aged she went into full blown psychosis.
Never thought id say this but even if they have to give Lori less time ... i want Chad Daybell to get the maximum. Id be ok with death penalty. Before the trial, i really didnt know how involved chad was in everything....i thought maybe HE was manipulated by Lori to do her bidding...but now all the evidence actually being the mastermind here. I think his chart of people from dark to light, says it all. HE wss the first to say her kids were dark, HES the one who said Brandon was dark and then he claimed Tammy was dark. He is pure evil. He manipulated all these naive and gullible women. Hes a fraud .... no better than a con man , a loser - hes a quarter pounder with cheese, extra cheese. Then you read ajll the sexual stuff he would write lori...this is all about lust. Hes just getting off in a sexual way with lori. Its actually quite sickening point is, its 50/50. Chad and lori are equally evil and equally guilty but when it comes down to it, chad is the one whoput into loris head the whole zombie business. She wanted power, he wanted sex and control.
JESSICA u r spot on, extremely well said! I just finished writing that after Chad and LORI GOT TOGETHER 5 people are dead including Lori's two children! Found on Chads property!
Yeah 50/50 - though you could argue Lori has left more of a string of deaths as they were more connected to her, plus Joseph Ryan's now suspicious death
I do not understand WHY all these women were enamored by Chad & WHY they all wanted to follow him? He is NOTHING to look at, he reminds me of the family guy! He was an overweight, homely looking weirdo!
This attorneys voice is so creepy it sounds like something out if a horror movie. Mind boggling that adults cannot see through the love bombing and can be 'deceived' fully grown adults omg. Arrogance and naivety in one conundrum.
And so quickly. "Oh, we got married 10 days after we met". WTF!? Melanie and Ian, Alex and Zulema both happened to be in Vegas to get married the same weekend and so surprised to see each other! Seriously?
I wonder that ALLLL the time, like.. how did she feel seeing her ex-husband up there & seeing what she caused? Breaking up their family for her crazy weirdo baby-killing aunt?
Melanie was a confidant and supporter of their crazy ideas. She helped get followers as well and it's nonsense she didn't know about the murder of Chad's wife. It's shocking she wasn't charged with something. Her punishment will have to be society calling her out on her BS.
Melanie P absolutely was involved in the attempted murder of her ex husband Brandon Boudreaux. He had only lived in his new house for a couple days and Melanie & his parents had his new address. Alex Cox had put in his EXACT address to get the directions to it amongst many other facts that connect her to it. How the hell she wasn’t charged with a crime for that i will never understand.
Is it possible these people haven't been fooled at all? That they're so desperate to feel special, they jump on board. They're not in trances. They consciously chose to be there for the benefits. You're not allowing them to take responsibility for their own behavior by letting them off the hook.
And we all know that Lori was not his first affair......BET MONEY MARBLES N CHALK HE HAD SEX WITH EVERY ONE OF THEM WOMEN.....LORI WAS THE ONLY WILD ONE WHO SEDUCED HIM INTO OBLIVION IN BED AFTER SHE LEARNED OF CHAD'S INSURANCE PRACTICE AND THE AMOUNT ON TAMMY'S POLICY. LUST N GREED ARE 2 OF THE MOST DEADLIEST SINS.....THEY JUST PROVED IT.
They’ve been brainwashed. Just like the folks that drank the Kool aid. You don’t have to be in a trance. It’s just a skilled manipulator who repeats the same things over and over in a certain tone of voice.
Lori passed out the money she stole from Charles business account to the women in the casting circle. She also used it to pay for travel for Melanie Gibb and Chad.
When the doctor was speaking about Mom control and having to get away from the person before you started to check back into reality it really reminded me of domestic abuse are you don't really realize the full weight of the situation until after you've separated from your abuser
She was set up to marry Zulema BY Lori and Chad for the life insurance money!!!! Do you REALLY think it's a coincidence he died the same day they exhumed Tammy?! (I don't believe it was "natural causes" either - they probably poisoned him.) He was gonna sing like a canary to the cops and Lori had to shut him up. She had no further use for him as her hit man. Her and Zulima probably split Alex's life insurance money. It was win-win for the both of them. Tylee had SSI money/insurance from Joseph's death and JJ had SSI money from Charles' death... but was issued to Lori as they were both still under age 18. Lori was PISSED when she found out that Charles had changed his beneficiary from her to Kay Woodcock- his sister, just before he was killed. Chad got $470,000 from Tammy's life insurance. It was all about buttloads of money and living an elite, lavish lifestyle in Hawaii for them.
I can’t stand listening to Zulema speak. It’s constantly “ummm…. And umm, and umm and then another umm…. She’ll say “Chad and Lori um wanted me to um come by and do this or that umm. My god lady just speak without ur constant Umms. I should count how many times she says umm next time I hear her!
I listen at work as though it's a podcast. Although I agree it would be nice to see the reactions and expressions, I think it's probably for the best there's no cameras, plus it's probable that Lori would lap it up
In casting out demons the Bible never says to kill the person. Chad had twisted the scriptures to get what he wanted power over these people women and men. He wanted to be a god like person and have power of life and death and over the people who followed him. These people are still responsible for their actions. He appealed to their pride to be important. We are supposed to be humble not proud. It’s very sad because they were looking for truth and something Good I think but they walked into an evil trap by meeting chad.
4:05 “it seems a lot of ladies, and Alex Cox, were the ones following him.” 😂😂😂 This had me cracking up even tho it probably wasn’t supposed to. The way he said it too, lol
I don't think he was secretly married to any of them, but I do think he had secret sexual affairs with most of his minions even before he met Lori and killed Tammy. It was just ONE year (12 short months!) from the day they met til he killed his wife for her... with all the other murders in between. Unreal.
@@LittleBlueOwl318 he slept with Lori within hours of meeting her, saying it was fine because they had been married in another life. What a line lol!!!!🤣
Lori is loving the attention she is getting out of this . All the cameras and people with phones , she sees that the world is watching her and she loves it . But when the trial is over and she is booked . We will start to look to other cases and she will fade away. And then it will be only her and no chad cult or friends . No more jj or taylee , her brother gone . Then it will hit her like a brick. For the rest of her family wil not want to see her again. She will be alone with her demons that will hount her for the rest of her days . Maybe the death penalty would have been humane for her.
Lori laughs and jokes, seeming to enjoy the attention. When she's found guilty and in that icy jail cell, I think reality will set it for her as she's sitting there alone. These are the best days for her on earth right now, as crazy as it sounds.
Crazy good episode! Awesome guests, wild to hear about that Moony cult. Guy seems like a solid man now, I'm glad he probed into how all this could happen, we need people like him to take notice when these things start forming.
Lori’s children witnessed the murder of Charles Vallow. I imagine there’s more to it, at least that’s what they may have tossed out there, but I think it’s just that they were witnesses.
I'm really glad you brought that up. It seems to be the norm in the U.S.A. I am in the UK and have never met anyone, my entire life, who has life insurance. House insurance, car insurance, pet insurance, but not life insurance.
@@SerenDipity64711my husband died young. He was 42-yr. I became a single mother-of four young children. It was then I took out a huge life insurance policy for myself. Had I died whilst my children were legally children, I made sure that there would be enough money for whomever relative cared for my children, that they’d be compensated, and that there would en sufficient funds for my children’s education. (Edited because I left out Oxford comma, and I’d obsess over that had I not edited. lol)
I Feel like the Defense Attorney is Revictimizing the victim. She was not a follower she was searching and believed that Chad may have some very important spiritual knowledge that she wanted. This defense attorney is awful to me, he is so rude and he is demeaning and cruel to this woman who was afraid to say what Lori said when she threatened her life. This happened to me when I got raped and then I went into the police station and they had a way of making it my fault that I got raped. It was so traumatizing. And that's what I feel this Attorney is doing to this poor woman. He is traumatizing her all over again. She tried to get out. She checked it out it wasn't for her, she saw the Miss representation of a Godly situation and she wanted to leave.
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; ..." 2 Timothy 4:3
I was friends with a group of people who were into this kind of stuff, but were not Mormons. There was discussion about killing the husband with undetectable poison. Thank goodness I got away from these people, and the husband in question is happily remarried to a sane woman. Scary stuff.
Chad isn't the charming,intellect like other cult leaders. He believed he saw things in his dreams and wrote his books. But, I believe Lori was behind the rest of it. She was the charming one. I think she put it in his head he was a prophet and they made all this stuff up together. It would take a lot to convince me Lori isn't the mastermind behind everything. When Lori and Chad started putting distance between everyone, I think Alex realized he'd been duped and hearing that Lori asked for strategy meetings with her and Chad and their attorneys,and Chad said no,makes me think Chad has realized how badly he allowed himself to be duped because a pretty blonde took interest in him.
A face like a boiled potato and one of the worst writers ever, it is hard to see how he attracted Lori or anyone else. But he did. And yeah Lori MADE the Kool AId
Totally agree with you! I got the same impression! Two evil people united became the demons and satan, not Charles, not Tammy, not Tylee and definitely not little JJ!
Obviously, if murders had not occured but had been exposed as an adulter, these women would still be following Chad. Oh, that's right, his adultery was known. Yet in any off shoot of mormonism, adultery is a sin and forbidden. So on the corruption scale, where would they be?
Many of these cults seem to come out of the Mormons. The people head of them many times were mormon. The kingstons and flds and there are others. No one mentions that.
1. Church of the First Born of the Lamb of God 2. Heaven's Gate 3. The Branch Davidians 4. Peoples Temple 5. Rajneesh movement 6. NXIVM 7. Aum Shinrikyo Just to name a few that have nothing to do with The Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints. Do I need to add more?
What is a religion really but a cult that gained legitimacy over time. Scientology even managed to convince people they're a church after some decades. It's the oldest con job and the most profitable when done right. The Mormons made so much money they have an entire state in a stranglehold and now they're working on owning Nevada too.
Absolutely. What I want to know is if the Mormons in my town in England truly believe that Jesus is coming back to them in Missouri 😂 you just can’t believe this cult.
It’s because the Mormons teach them that any of them can become a frighten prophet! 😂😂😂 these absolute idiots believe what the Mormons teach. It’s mind boggling the low IQ they have.
The scary thing is that right now there might other people in another crazy evil cult believing same lunatic stories just becouse somebody tell them. Is mind blowing🤯
It was probably predominantly women followers because everything I have ever heard about the Mormon faith is that women are sort of second class citizens. He was showering them with attention and giving them a platform they probably have never really had in their lives before him. I don’t mean any disrespect to the Mormon faith by my comment, I just know a lot of my friends who have come from that faith have shared the same frustration with the organization.
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Two people don't equal a cult.
Two people are the cult leaders. The others are followers.
How can you feel SORRY for a murderer? That shows how easily you can be manipulated by her deliberately soft girlish voice. Thank God you aren't on the jury! What you don't realise is that this was a choice and had you been in that cult and in their way, you too would be killed without a thought. No empathy due to complete sociopathic grandiose narcissism.
@@theoryofpersonality1420 it's ALL about SENSATIONALISM AND CLICKS
@@mr_rn6549 mini cult
How in the hell do these people find each other? It's really scary!
"Birds of a feather"
In church.
That's resonance! People find each other because they have a similar vibration....so resonance feels familiar! Even if it's negativ...evil!
Satan is working overtime!
Dumb podcasts
They all have one thing in common: crazy and evil; there's no other explanation
YEAH CHAD WASN'T EVEN SAYING ANYTHING DEEP LOL...THIS SHOWS HOW DUMB PEOPLE ARE...SMH
Religion and the search for truth is the reason. People can't just be, they want to be extra special and all knowing.
Those are 2 things 😂
Demonic
Hmm. Don't forget religion. I know plenty of crazy, evil people that don't believe that garbage.
Its like an abusive relationship, you wouldnt date someone you know is a monster. It takes time, manipulators know how to find vulnerable people and exploit those vulnerabilities. They dont show you their real face until they are confident they have you in their control.
EXACTLY.
I totally agree with you
Yes I agree with you it just amazes me how people can get so sucked in .
Well said.
Spot on!
If someone told me I was married to Jesus, I would laugh in thier face. Insane
Insane
Exactly!!!
I’d say ‘nah, we got a divorce’😂
Don't they know that Jesus was never married ?
@@doneestoner9945 apparently not..don't know what bible they are reading
Audrey's testimony is critical in relating just who Lori is in this conspiracy. Her fear of Lori's threats was palpable.
That only means she's a true believer.
Was that Lori talking? Who is Audrey?
Why I believe Audrey 100 percent is because she was honest enough to admit she almost fell for their beliefs although you can tell she was embarrassed to admit it, and so I doubt she was lying about Loris death threats plus her emotions were totally authentic! I knew a crazy person like LV 10 years ago who threatened a child in that manner and no one believed me that she was sociopathic until another person finally heard her go into evil mode and threatened that kid, then they knew she was batcrap crazy!
Not Almost. She DID fall for his beliefs.
It's hard when someone makes threats and no one believes you. You feel trapped. It's very scary
IMO I totally believe Audrey about the threat Lori made to her. Audrey truly seemed very frightened of Lori. I was upset the defense attorney was so hateful sounding when cross examination this vulnerable soul. He was awful to Audrey.😡
@@carolerichard5250 yeah they can be downright nasty, I had one “my ex’s defense attorney “ actually cackle and laugh at me while testifying at my domestic violence hearing, among being super rude! I would have put in a complaint to the bar but the small southern town I live in where everybody knows everybody you can’t step on toes here, or you will inevitably pay the price some other way.that behavior would have never been tolerated in a big city court where you can actually get them in trouble. I feel bad for Audrey who probably relieves that nightmare daily.
I just listened to Lori’s cousin taking about how Alex made her come check on “Stacy” the older sister who died… when they went to check on her, she was dead. She knew it was Alex. He also is suspected of killing Joe Ryan.. Lori was already pure evil when she met Chad…
I think Alex killed Stacy
I watched that too. Mormon Stories has a great podcast with her on it.
I believe there are multiple murder victims of Lori that will never be officially acknowledged or given any justice.
🎯I agree!
Lori is the malignant narcissist leader. Chad, Alex, and the other women were flying monkeys.
I’m believing that when she sits in prison the rest of her life that she will turn into a zombie 🧟♀️
Omg, rite on. Perfect n succinctly put . 👌
What did Chad have that Lori wanted?? ONLY her belief (& his) that he was some sort of Chosen prophet & that she would be by his side. If she hadn't believed him, she wouldn't have looked twice at him, he had NOTHING for her to gain.
@@MissOrchid12 true but I believe she didn’t want her kids anymore, she had told someone she was tired of Tylee and JJ but also Chad, Lori and Alex all had demonic attachments on them. Chad and Lori had a plan which they manipulated Alex and were manipulating these other women to bring in their “church”……fame, power, greed always brings evil 👿 manipulation is a form of witchcraft.
Laurie got the insurance money from Joe Ryan way before Chad
If I heard a mother tell me her baby boy was going to have a short life. I would be screaming from the rafters until someone did something! How do all these women fall for this!
and Chad told her JJ would come back through Colby's child. Good lord what utter drivel.
There is something missing in their lives, a void or long emptiness that is fulfilled by believing this crap. But Chad and Lori looked for a certain gullible type.
same reason the other side thinks trans kids is loving and accepting.
@@eggpickerwth is wrong with your brain... so hating and ostracizing trans kids is ok?? You don't have to let trans kids have hormones and surgeries to support them and love them and help them. You are so ignorant it's mind boggling.
This truly happened to me. I was walking my baby boy, he was about 2 weeks old in his pram and something told me or came across me that I couldn't or wouldn't see him as a 5 year old. He passed away at 6 weeks old. I had just dropped off my 6 and 4 year old to kindergarten and primary school and it was something that came over me and I brushed it off. Was it a fear or a warning? I still don't know and I still cry even thinking about it but I never mentioned it to anyone before he passed. I just wish I had taken whatever this was seriously so please don't speculate on what another person could go through...
Why isn't Melanie sitting in a jail cell for the attempted murder of her husband ?
Because Rob Wood was so busy protecting the LDS Church, he gave a lot of them plea deals, his job is to prosecute the guilty, it is not his job to protect the LDS Church which he just happens to be a member of. it is disgraceful
@@patriciatreslove4449Maybe no one has explained this to you, but Rob Wood can't give immunity deals in AZ, he is a prosecutor in Idaho.
If she has not been filed on in AZ, where the attempted murder occurred, it is because the prosecutors there have not seen enough evidence to believe they can get a conviction, which is the standard for filing charges.
@@patriciatreslove4449also, even if prosecutors in AZ did agree to immunity there for Melanie Gibb, there is nothing wrong or unusual about that. Four people, not counting Alex, are dead. Convicting the killers is a top priority and concessions may need to be made to do that. It is a normal part of prosecuting group crimes.
Chad's physical look is soft and pliable. He looks totally disarming. No woman would be afraid of him by his looks. If anything he looks weak. And that's why he's so dangerous. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing.
If it's one thing that we have learned not just from criminal history of the last 40 years but also just within the last three years..Murdaugh, daybell, stauch and so many more...it's that people are often not how they make themselves seem to be. It's a lesson to all of us that we take our time getting to know new people and don't give away our trust so easily. If you get a gut feeling about someone, please listen to it and respect it. Analyze what they say and do and pay attention to what doesn't align. Take your time and go slow. If it feels off. It usually IS off. These people are very calculated and usually are 3 steps ahead of the person they're using. You have to be aware.
Chad with his book ‘One foot in the grave’ made me chuckle. Here in the UK it’s the name of a sit-com featuring Victor Meldrew, a dour old man who’s catch phrase is ‘I don’t believe it’. I hope both Lori and Chad spend the rest of their days, and hopefully there will be many, thinking of all those lives they have destroyed. Wicked people using faith to defend their positions.
I don't beleeeeeeeve it!
An eye for an eye, and tooth for a tooth.
LET GOD'S WILL BE DONE
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the irony of I don't believe it is so fitting here! I really don't believe it. In my mind, Chad and Lori have pretended that they are religious, have had previous lives and are going to lead their followers to salvation. Their 'mission' was simply to brainwash as many insecure, gullible people to do their dirty work all for just one thing, money. This whole prophet/Goddess malarkey, was a smokescreen to achieve their ultimate goal of living off money collected on the deaths of innocent people and never having to work again. Just my opinion, of course.
They won’t think of anyone or anything but themselves.
AFTER Lori and Chad met and got TOGETHER 5 people were dead within months, including Lori's two children!
This was all about money, greed, revenge ,lust!
Justice for their VICTIMS🙏🙏🙏🙏
And newest info is her stupid niece believed two of her own children were dark and Lori and Chad were going to get rid of them also!!
@Colette Palin the one with the ex husband who they tried to kill?
Purely demonic !
So many adults let those kids down what an absolute shame
Colby was spot on when he called him Peter Griffin! 😂😂
I hate these people. Especially her. Those kids had loving grandparents. They could have let the children live. Adults can believe whatever coo-coo mumbo jumbo crap they want but leave kids alone! 😡
It really was all about money revenge murder mayhem and lust
Then they wouldn't have all the money
My then 18 year old brother was "taken in" by a cult not long after my step mom passed from cancer. It was extremely scary to see changes in him and the way he spoke was almost scripted, robot like. I am 15 years older than my brother and helped raise him, they had him turning against me telling him they were his only family. Several things happened over the span of 3 years but finally the cult leader had a falling out with his own children and it caused him to somewhat crumble. My brother was around the same age of his children and started to breakaway like they did...thank God! It was a terrifying time to see this happening and now well over 15 years later we can talk about how insane it all was. I'm blessed to have my little brother and so grateful of the man he has become.
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If any religion tells you you are more special than the rest of the world, run. True paths will only talk about equality of all.
Exactly. Anyone who puts themselves on a pedestal and looks down on the rest isn’t someone you want to have anything to do with. If anyone was on the dark side in all of this it was Lori and Chad. What they did to Tylee leaves me speechless. What they did to all their victims is appalling but Tylee’s treatment was just pure evil. And Lori is her mother. She carried her inside her womb and gave birth to her…… I’m mind boggled at their actions and “beliefs”
Truth
The chosen ones know that we are ALL chosen - KT
Her husband after knowing each other 10 days! Run Ian
Ian's obviously chosen not to run, at least for now. They've been married for three and a half years. And when questioned by the defense attorney, Ian testified that he thought Lori and Chad had manipulated Melanie. Which is to say, Ian stood up for her. At least for now.
Whoa... that dude is her husband? I assumed he was a brother or something, I saw his photo but didn't hear his testimony yet. What a tool.
Chad seems like such an odd guy… how does he have all these women?
I’m curious did he sleep w them all
@@Arizona_lilly Imagine Loris’s reaction
Chad and Lori preyed upon a certain “type” of woman. None were strong, confident women.
@@Arizona_lilly Doubt it, Lori was too obsessed with him to allow that to happen.
I think he's smarmy and gives off very bad vibes even just on tv.
IRL he'd completely creep me out. Yuck.
Lori seems to still be under the cult spell, thinking she is some great Goddess like Doughboy called her.
LOL
Doughboy 😂
She was a delusional narc long before she met Chad.
Well she really has to stick with her lies and BS!
Doughboy 🤣
It makes me shudder to think that if the grandparents had just taken lorri word for it that the kids were safe and they didn't report them missing as quick as they did,the amount of more people those two could have got away with killing coz they were"zombies".
True because no one was really looking out for Tylee like they were for JJ.
Yes! They would have kept going as long as their was some gain, financial mostly.
Melanie lost her mother who is lorries sister, who was a type one diabetic who they now think may have been a victim of foul play by Lori and Alex. Now that they reflect on what happened. 10:30
Wow
Stacy was very ill at the time, weighing under 80lbs. Her death may have be sped along, but it is all speculation.
How does one become so weak in the mind that they end up in cults
People who want to matter want a sense of family. I think sad vulnerable people get caught up in cults,gangs, prostitution.
They typically target young people for a reason. They're much more susceptible to new ideas & belief systems. Many who think it's just "weakness" get a big shock when their children or loved ones fall prey.
Usually these women have low self confidence and are just mentally broke down and the leader builds them back up and gives them a purpose while manipulating them at the same time.
Exactly. Pathetic sniveling little toadies.
Anyone can be susceptible to a cult. Look at Scientology…there are lots of intelligent, good people believing in that bag of crazy. It feel’s unbelievable on the outside, but when you are in it, it makes sense. They just tap into what you are missing. Everyone has something.
I have no doubt that if this cult went on longer all of these women would’ve become Chad’s wives
Melanie Gibb was only a friend and a follower until the police was asking her about J.J.'s whereabouts.
Then she said,she never really believed any of " that ".
If this is true,she happened to be the first person to immediately call the authorities!! That both Melanie's where not charged is just not right.
Sorry for my bad English,I'm from Germany. ♡
You are right, they should have been charged, your English is very good.
How naïve, impressionable, gullible and childish are these people? How does this happen that an adult can believe this utter nonsense?
Well these ladies must be pretty lost, but Lori was not a follower - she was a leader. Nobody else killed their family.
I agree, Lori and Chad were the leaders. In 2Timothy 3:1-6 it speaks about weak women , burdened with sin and led astray by various passions, sounds exactly like these foolish undiscerning women.
Ever heard of Jonestown? Manson girls?
Imo it is exactly a religious upbringing and the brainwashing since birth that make Christian people so gullible and believing utter nonsense as long as it has a biblical tie.
I know I'm probably wasting my time, but...
The Christian religion has used brimstone and hellfire to scare people into believing and behaving for over 2000 years while taking full advantage of their gullibility and fear of eternal doom. It has caused Christians everywhere to become obsessed with being one of the saved, resurrected souls. They work like slaves their entire lives for their churches to score points. It's like playing the Christian lottery - the more you give of yourself, the more likely you'll be saved. Others saw how well this worked as a tax free business opportunity. That's why there are almost 400 different Christian churches in the US alone and prophets for profit are appearing everywhere like poison mushrooms overnight. Originally the Christian religion was based upon a very ancient story applied to many other so called "saviours" long before the Christ. A tiny Christian cult was operational in Rome at the time it began its unification of the old Europe. The Christian religion was initially used purely as a political tool to unify Europe under Roman rule. Roman soldiers marched into Europe and killed our ancestors in the name of Christ - who were innocents practising a nature-based spirituality. The Church of Rome then flourished by usurping their lands, making poor people pay for their "sins," torturing and then burning innocent women and children at the stake and sending religiously crazed crusaders to kill and subject thousands of Muslims living in and around the "Holy Land." Their hatred towards the Christian infidels remains to this day.
Children have been abused by church leaders since the very beginning. Rome is a city of sick men who protect their many pedophiles, enrich themselves off the backs of poor people and are actually involved in criminal activities. That's the original church after which many followed a similar albeit a less extremist route. However the modern cults like Jamestown are almost as bad as the original church of Rome
Actually the good news is...
you don't need a church to be a good person. Just prioritise your good values, believe in your own goodness by actively living out those values in your life. There is goodness in the world as much as there is evil. The choice lies within yourself. Be authentic. Don't brainwash little kids into this confusion. It's criminal imo.
I belonged to the cult of Jehovah’s Witnesses for 50+ years.
And yes they are a cult with no doubt whatsoever!
They sure are. A cult that destroys families and protects criminals.
Yes!
The JW are the worst cult. They make you think you will die tomorrow every single day! It’s horrific! Armageddon is coming tomorrow…..what kind of life is that?
I want to know how you came to that conclusion after 50 yrs??????? Also why did it take you that long???????
@@MariaLopez-mi4ol she had to be thrown out of church for doing something bad .
This is one wacky story where so many people were munipulated and murdered due to these two evil people! As trials go on, it shows that Lori was not munipulated and brainwashed but in fact she was leading and was a co-leader to this cult. No reasons should be accepted to reason for Charles, Tammy, Tylee and 7 years old little JJ brutal and deliberate deaths!
In my opinion, Lori was the instigator of the whole cult, not Chad. Remember Lori was determined to meet Chad at the beginning. She was the one who seduced Chad and he went along with it. Lori's family was dropping like flies after meeting Chad including her husband Charles while she and Chad were together. Then last but not least Tammy dies too at the end. Therefore, Lori was influencing Chad and her brother Alex to believe in murdering these people for her gain. I believe if Lori hadn't been stopped by the law eventually Chad would have been her next victim to die as well.
100%
No sweet. If religion motivated those men, there would have been a certain ritual to the killing of zombies. But those kids were discarded with pure purpose of covering their tracks....tylee was burned to remove their DNA. Alex was sleeping with his sister and abusing his niece. The niece might have been planning on telling her dad. Alex killed him. Then he made friends with Chad through loris delusions and Chad was into it obviously. Chad is the gifted story teller,,,she is just a loopy easily manipulated follower tgat happily gave up the kids. The men drugged the kids to convince Lori they had to take them. They were acting weird. Those men raped Tylee. What did you tell yourself about the difference in how they were disposed of? In a way that ties in to chad believing he was killing zombies for god? Chad married Lori so she couldn't testify. And killed his wife because she found evidence of the kids being there. Maybe photos they took to enjoy later. Maybe she found a hair tye or a pair of underwear. And while she didn't know who they belonged to, if she was alive when police started looking for tylee,,that kind of info coukd get him caught
I’ve read that Lori’s dad was crazy. Do you guys know his history?
I agree. CD did what LVD said to do. CD played all those ladies into believing him.
@@bbe3034 sexual abuse allegations... investigated by police. He is a creeper... LVD cousin , megan, is speaking out about him , on utube. Barry is his name,
Why is Melanie and Zulema not in jail?
And that Julie Rowen. Batshit
Why are you questioning why Melanie isn’t in jail? What did she do?
Zulema got a limited immunity for her testimony.
It’s as simple as this; Lorry and Chad wanted to be together so they had to get rid of her husband, his wife, her children to support themselves financially from the social security. When Alex became demanding and since he knew everything they had to kill him. The entire case has nothing to do with the cult
Exactly!!!!! It is called LUST N GREED......2 OF THE MOST DEADLIEST SINS.
Yes and no. When you listen to loris phone call with her son it seems she actually believes her children are “safe”. I think she actually believes everything she and chad predicted is still going to come true. But I still agree that it is more so not related to the cult.
True. But no doubt they also had crazy outlandish plans to lead the world. They belong in hell.
"Cult Cover"
The religious beliefs were just a smokescreen to allow them to scam people. This was always about getting power, greed, and lust.
The defense attorneys voice sounds like a friggin motorcycle engine.
Hahahahaha it does! But I love listening to him speak. He would be fantastic at narrating scary audio books!
Actually, there were men following him. Also, I find it interesting that you want to focus on the women, but there were men, including Melanie’s husband, not the niece Melanie, the other one. 4:14
Those men were doing what their gullible and overbearing wives wanted them to do, guaranteed.
Nah, it was 95% women. Look at “The weasel,“ and see about an hour of footage from different talks & the women were all over him while 2 or 3 men hung around in the back. If this had gone along for a time if the kids had not been killed, then Arizona or Idaho wouldn't have come after them & I tnk we of had another Manson family
David Warwick
Jason Mow was a cult follower too and actually worked in the Arizona police department and help protect the other cult members
I do think Melanie Gibb had a thing for Chad.
Jesus warned in scripture that the gospel was completed by His death & resurrection & sternly warned that additions to that gospel were explicitely forbidden.
"The Latter Day Saints: another gospel of Jesus Christ," is the official moniker of LDS.
@@LoriKasprzak-yk6nc which lends itself to such deviations as this. Due to their importance of the prophets such as Joseph smith
Jesus also warns us about many false prophets that get people to follow them! We as Christians need to exercise extreme discernment while dealing with people like this!
@@glynn2023 agreed and sadly lacking in some churches today. Some people are quick to follow a person rather than Jesus
None of these "witnesses" deserve whatever immunity they were granted by the prosecution. They are still willing to follow whoever flatters their fragile narcissism.
🎯 Exactly! Mel G. told all when she was recorded on the phone call she didn't want anyone to hear!
After her murder attempt on Brandon B, if I were Ian Pawlowski - I sure as hell wouldn't put Melaniece as the beneficiary of my life insurace ... js
I doubt the most basic things that come out of peoples mouths, so I struggle to imagine Chad or anyone convincing me I'd been alive before, much less that I'd been married to someone viewed by many as a savior. My skepticism is pretty extreme, but it keeps me cult free, so it's worth any downside.
I hope it keeps you religion free too! What religions preach, all of them with no exception, are lies! These in this case were invented by Chad and the other lies of the churches/religions were invented by men and women for money and power. I do hope you are skeptical of all of them.
It’s skilled manipulation.
@@Seashellsbytheseashore21 he could never manipulate me. It's all BS the Bible, heaven, and God imo. Science is real.
Me too… people like this literally make me feel sick. No thanks.
Why didnt Zu call the police when they said the kid would have a short life.
it's sickening isn't it. She was obviously completely under their spell .
Suggestion and they may have already but Police and FBI should read and inspect all of the books and any other materials videos,talks etc this man has published some people have bought his books are they still being sold and could be influencing people.Given what's allegedly gone on it would be good to look at everything he's put out.Peoples with psychiatric issues ,personality disorders could be triggered by him and hes clearly unstable himself so material he puts out would reflect that.
I dont buy it one bit!! Lori was turned over to her demise mind and she was already plotting, even before Chad came to her life. She already had a crippled mind and distorted behavior. She had Chad wrapped around her finger and she knew both her brother and Chad could help her get rid of all those deceased. Let’s wake up!!
So when was Lori writing books about the edge of heaven and being a prophet, etc? If you read his books you hear exactly what these people are saying.
I totally agree
I agree. Chad had his groupies prior to meeting Lori.
@The Sleeping Dog. I agree. Lot’s of crazy/viscous behavior prior. When she decided to destroy Joseph Ryan’s life at any cost. And JR’s death I believe is under investigation. When she insisted her attorney have JR take out a huge life insurance policy in Lori’s name after they were divorced for Tylee. Chad was her fifth husband so there were problem’s way before they met. Her cousin recently told of her narcissistic behavior when young. Plus her dad is said to have serious behavior problem’s and her upbringing was strange. It’s just that as she aged she went into full blown psychosis.
Never thought id say this but even if they have to give Lori less time ... i want Chad Daybell to get the maximum. Id be ok with death penalty. Before the trial, i really didnt know how involved chad was in everything....i thought maybe HE was manipulated by Lori to do her bidding...but now all the evidence actually being the mastermind here. I think his chart of people from dark to light, says it all. HE wss the first to say her kids were dark, HES the one who said Brandon was dark and then he claimed Tammy was dark. He is pure evil. He manipulated all these naive and gullible women. Hes a fraud .... no better than a con man , a loser - hes a quarter pounder with cheese, extra cheese. Then you read ajll the sexual stuff he would write lori...this is all about lust. Hes just getting off in a sexual way with lori. Its actually quite sickening point is, its 50/50. Chad and lori are equally evil and equally guilty but when it comes down to it, chad is the one whoput into loris head the whole zombie business. She wanted power, he wanted sex and control.
JESSICA u r spot on, extremely well said! I just finished writing that after Chad and LORI GOT TOGETHER 5 people are dead including Lori's two children! Found on Chads property!
well said Jessica! it was all about what they needed from each other. Vile the pair of them.
Yeah 50/50 - though you could argue Lori has left more of a string of deaths as they were more connected to her, plus Joseph Ryan's now suspicious death
Great coverage, great guests. Thanks, Vinnie!
I do not understand WHY all these women were enamored by Chad & WHY they all wanted to follow him? He is NOTHING to look at, he reminds me of the family guy! He was an overweight, homely looking weirdo!
He preyed upon their own narcissistic needs.
What concerns me is that I believe there are still creeps out there who have same beliefs as Chad and Lori and who may be just as dangerous!!
This attorneys voice is so creepy it sounds like something out if a horror movie.
Mind boggling that adults cannot see through the love bombing and can be 'deceived' fully grown adults omg. Arrogance and naivety in one conundrum.
That is what I was thinking the entire time Audrey was on the stand.
@@jlmann8109 😅
This is strange how they go from one Marriage to another.
Had to be married to be saved….
And so quickly. "Oh, we got married 10 days after we met". WTF!? Melanie and Ian, Alex and Zulema both happened to be in Vegas to get married the same weekend and so surprised to see each other! Seriously?
Smh
@@jklh90265 and Vegas ! They're so religious yet they go to sin city too often
Yes and put something so sacred in it like Jesus Christ.
I wonder if Melanie P still believes these crazy things? 🤔
She is not as innocent as she thinks she comes across. She for sure is off her rocker
Yeah… she is bananas too. 💯
I wonder that ALLLL the time, like.. how did she feel seeing her ex-husband up there & seeing what she caused? Breaking up their family for her crazy weirdo baby-killing aunt?
Melanie was a confidant and supporter of their crazy ideas. She helped get followers as well and it's nonsense she didn't know about the murder of Chad's wife. It's shocking she wasn't charged with something. Her punishment will have to be society calling her out on her BS.
Melanie P absolutely was involved in the attempted murder of her ex husband Brandon Boudreaux. He had only lived in his new house for a couple days and Melanie & his parents had his new address. Alex Cox had put in his EXACT address to get the directions to it amongst many other facts that connect her to it. How the hell she wasn’t charged with a crime for that i will never understand.
Zulema is a total whacko. And what did she get from prosecutors to keep charges away.
Zulema got limited immunity to testify.
Nobody has learned anything from past cult debacles !
Nope, Look at the Trump debacle.
Is it possible these people haven't been fooled at all? That they're so desperate to feel special, they jump on board. They're not in trances. They consciously chose to be there for the benefits. You're not allowing them to take responsibility for their own behavior by letting them off the hook.
Chad looks like a loser! Tammy was the one that carried the family financially and I think she was wonderful and loving!
And we all know that Lori was not his first affair......BET MONEY MARBLES N CHALK HE HAD SEX WITH EVERY ONE OF THEM WOMEN.....LORI WAS THE ONLY WILD ONE WHO SEDUCED HIM INTO OBLIVION IN BED AFTER SHE LEARNED OF CHAD'S INSURANCE PRACTICE AND THE AMOUNT ON TAMMY'S POLICY. LUST N GREED ARE 2 OF THE MOST DEADLIEST SINS.....THEY JUST PROVED IT.
They’ve been brainwashed. Just like the folks that drank the Kool aid. You don’t have to be in a trance. It’s just a skilled manipulator who repeats the same things over and over in a certain tone of voice.
Lori passed out the money she stole from Charles business account to the women in the casting circle. She also used it to pay for travel for Melanie Gibb and Chad.
🎯Just to be important!
When the doctor was speaking about Mom control and having to get away from the person before you started to check back into reality it really reminded me of domestic abuse are you don't really realize the full weight of the situation until after you've separated from your abuser
Zulema was definitely set up to marry Alex and get him away from Lori and Chad. What was she thinking marrying Alex!
She was set up to marry Zulema BY Lori and Chad for the life insurance money!!!!
Do you REALLY think it's a coincidence he died the same day they exhumed Tammy?!
(I don't believe it was "natural causes" either - they probably poisoned him.)
He was gonna sing like a canary to the cops and Lori had to shut him up. She had no further use for him as her hit man. Her and Zulima probably split Alex's life insurance money. It was win-win for the both of them.
Tylee had SSI money/insurance from Joseph's death and JJ had SSI money from Charles' death... but was issued to Lori as they were both still under age 18. Lori was PISSED when she found out that Charles had changed his beneficiary from her to Kay Woodcock- his sister, just before he was killed.
Chad got $470,000 from Tammy's life insurance. It was all about buttloads of money and living an elite, lavish lifestyle in Hawaii for them.
She wasn't thinking 😕 🤔.
I think chad may have gone around Lori and told zulema chad had to go. That he had been corrupted.
Alex was her 7th husband, or he might have been number 8...
@@lmm8960what?
It’s called folie a deux…….when two people feed off of each others psychopathy
It's 2023 right? not 1723?
I can’t stand listening to Zulema speak. It’s constantly “ummm…. And umm, and umm and then another umm…. She’ll say “Chad and Lori um wanted me to um come by and do this or that umm.
My god lady just speak without ur constant Umms. I should count how many times she says umm next time I hear her!
It's so hard to just "listen." It would be so nice if cameras were allowed in the court room as this is such an odd case full of twists and turns.
I listen at work as though it's a podcast. Although I agree it would be nice to see the reactions and expressions, I think it's probably for the best there's no cameras, plus it's probable that Lori would lap it up
In casting out demons the Bible never says to kill the person. Chad had twisted the scriptures to get what he wanted power over these people women and men. He wanted to be a god like person and have power of life and death and over the people who followed him. These people are still responsible for their actions. He appealed to their pride to be important. We are supposed to be humble not proud. It’s very sad because they were looking for truth and something Good I think but they walked into an evil trap by meeting chad.
Critical thinking is so important. These religious cults are scary.
4:05 “it seems a lot of ladies, and Alex Cox, were the ones following him.” 😂😂😂
This had me cracking up even tho it probably wasn’t supposed to. The way he said it too, lol
I wondering how many wives Chad actually has. I don’t think Lori is/was the only one
I don't think he was secretly married to any of them, but I do think he had secret sexual affairs with most of his minions even before he met Lori and killed Tammy.
It was just ONE year (12 short months!) from the day they met til he killed his wife for her... with all the other murders in between. Unreal.
@@LittleBlueOwl318 he slept with Lori within hours of meeting her, saying it was fine because they had been married in another life. What a line lol!!!!🤣
Mr.Archibalds voice fits right into the doomsday…. Deep voice…
What Archibald needs to realize is the jurors are going to see that no one else was murdering everyone around them.
Lori is loving the attention she is getting out of this . All the cameras and people with phones , she sees that the world is watching her and she loves it . But when the trial is over and she is booked . We will start to look to other cases and she will fade away. And then it will be only her and no chad cult or friends . No more jj or taylee , her brother gone . Then it will hit her like a brick. For the rest of her family wil not want to see her again. She will be alone with her demons that will hount her for the rest of her days . Maybe the death penalty would have been humane for her.
that's a fair point. Once away from a Cult, people wake up and understand the horror. She will have a lot of years to de programme.
It's challenging for me to say this, though I don't think she deserves humane...she's a terrifying example of the darkness in this world
Vinnie you're the best.
At. The beginning there were more men. Some of them were interviewed. I don't remember now what they said in regards to why they left.
Crazy comes in a lot of shapes and forms .
There's something weird about Audry. I think she had her sights on Chad. I wish we could dig into her past and find out more about who she is.
Agreed. She was jealous over not being as important to Chad any longer when Lori came into the picture.
Lori laughs and jokes, seeming to enjoy the attention. When she's found guilty and in that icy jail cell, I think reality will set it for her as she's sitting there alone. These are the best days for her on earth right now, as crazy as it sounds.
Great commentary and conversation about this topic that is huge now and days! It’s happening everywhere and right under our noses🙏🏽
Crazy good episode! Awesome guests, wild to hear about that Moony cult. Guy seems like a solid man now, I'm glad he probed into how all this could happen, we need people like him to take notice when these things start forming.
He's very educated about this subject. I read his books.
Chad just wanted to get rid of any responsibility of Lori's children!!! That's it!!!!
Lori’s children witnessed the murder of Charles Vallow.
I imagine there’s more to it, at least that’s what they may have tossed out there, but I think it’s just that they were witnesses.
She talked chad into killing his wife very quickly. Life insurance is a death sentence a lot of the times in America.
I'm really glad you brought that up. It seems to be the norm in the U.S.A. I am in the UK and have never met anyone, my entire life, who has life insurance. House insurance, car insurance, pet insurance, but not life insurance.
@@SerenDipity64711my husband died young.
He was 42-yr.
I became a single mother-of four young children.
It was then I took out a huge life insurance policy for myself.
Had I died whilst my children were legally children, I made sure that there would be enough money for whomever relative cared for my children, that they’d be compensated, and that there would en sufficient funds for my children’s education.
(Edited because I left out Oxford comma, and I’d obsess over that had I not edited. lol)
Let me get it right it's a cult within a cult!!!
Yep.
Staered with Joe smith
LDS is not a cult. These folks are fringe and not LDS at this point.
@@Seashellsbytheseashore21 lds is a cult.
Kingdom of Cults.
I think Lori was leading Chad also. Because she use the flesh on him
Yep!!!! Shes not so hot now
YES...WHAT CHANGED THEIR MIND WAS THE FACT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO JAIL...LOL
Yep, the threat of long prison terms tend to make ppl change their tune. Lol
ITS ALL FUN AND GAMES @@ TILL THE COPS SHOW UP☆
I Feel like the Defense Attorney is Revictimizing the victim. She was not a follower she was searching and believed that Chad may have some very important spiritual knowledge that she wanted. This defense attorney is awful to me, he is so rude and he is demeaning and cruel to this woman who was afraid to say what Lori said when she threatened her life. This happened to me when I got raped and then I went into the police station and they had a way of making it my fault that I got raped. It was so traumatizing. And that's what I feel this Attorney is doing to this poor woman. He is traumatizing her all over again. She tried to get out. She checked it out it wasn't for her, she saw the Miss representation of a Godly situation and she wanted to leave.
He creeps me out! The way he talks is. Just weird!
@@Mari-go5hc Can't Agree more!!
He was the best suited defense attorney for the great goddess.
It's gullibility no one should believe thing's without evidence, only idiot's and fools believe and get caught up in this nonsense.
Let’s remember what and what this is about…these children
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; ..." 2 Timothy 4:3
Boy if they believed that I have an island for sale in sub Saharan Africa
I hope Chad and Lori don't find more followers among the prison population.
That THUMBNAIL with CHAD and his WOMEN says it all
I was friends with a group of people who were into this kind of stuff, but were not Mormons. There was discussion about killing the husband with undetectable poison. Thank goodness I got away from these people, and the husband in question is happily remarried to a sane woman. Scary stuff.
Can you say BRAIN WASHED !!!!
For a second, I thought Larry King was the prosecutor could’ve fooled me
Chad isn't the charming,intellect like other cult leaders. He believed he saw things in his dreams and wrote his books. But, I believe Lori was behind the rest of it. She was the charming one. I think she put it in his head he was a prophet and they made all this stuff up together. It would take a lot to convince me Lori isn't the mastermind behind everything. When Lori and Chad started putting distance between everyone, I think Alex realized he'd been duped and hearing that Lori asked for strategy meetings with her and Chad and their attorneys,and Chad said no,makes me think Chad has realized how badly he allowed himself to be duped because a pretty blonde took interest in him.
A face like a boiled potato and one of the worst writers ever, it is hard to see how he attracted Lori or anyone else. But he did. And yeah Lori MADE the Kool AId
Bullshit. Wake up.
chad was the mastermind. he had a following before her
I think Chad is a con artist and Lori is a narcissist. Boom!
Totally agree with you! I got the same impression! Two evil people united became the demons and satan, not Charles, not Tammy, not Tylee and definitely not little JJ!
Obviously, if murders had not occured but had been exposed as an adulter, these women would still be following Chad.
Oh, that's right, his adultery was known. Yet in any off shoot of mormonism, adultery is a sin and forbidden.
So on the corruption scale, where would they be?
The defence guy annoys me as he seems to be mocking her for being deceived in his tone of voice
Find her to be pathetically desperate and easily gullible. Sad any adult could be so naive.
Zulema & Melani should be charged with multiple charges for aiding & abetting.
Many of these cults seem to come out of the Mormons. The people head of them many times were mormon. The kingstons and flds and there are others. No one mentions that.
1. Church of the First Born of the Lamb of God
2. Heaven's Gate
3. The Branch Davidians
4. Peoples Temple
5. Rajneesh movement
6. NXIVM
7. Aum Shinrikyo
Just to name a few that have nothing to do with The Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints. Do I need to add more?
What is a religion really but a cult that gained legitimacy over time. Scientology even managed to convince people they're a church after some decades. It's the oldest con job and the most profitable when done right. The Mormons made so much money they have an entire state in a stranglehold and now they're working on owning Nevada too.
Absolutely. What I want to know is if the Mormons in my town in England truly believe that Jesus is coming back to them in Missouri 😂 you just can’t believe this cult.
@@MissGelly You’re misinformed
It’s because the Mormons teach them that any of them can become a frighten prophet! 😂😂😂 these absolute idiots believe what the Mormons teach. It’s mind boggling the low IQ they have.
People love a lie, especially when it serves their feelings!
Sadly these cultleaders have a very good nose for the lost souls, the most vulnerable people. From Holland 🇳🇱
She said the right word ..... NONSENSE
How can any sain person believe this crap??? Wow.
I dont feel bad for that woman...just incredible .
The same people who believe in traditional religion!
@@dekishajones282 oh bullshit
Unhealed trauma in their past. It's sad.
look at chad standing, in the room,,,,,,,dorky, feet out,,,,,,,OMG ................ these women,,,,,,,,,,,,,, uhh, lost !!!
The scary thing is that right now there might other people in another crazy evil cult believing same lunatic stories just becouse somebody tell them. Is mind blowing🤯
Anyone who belonged to this group should feel ashamed of themselves.
It was probably predominantly women followers because everything I have ever heard about the Mormon faith is that women are sort of second class citizens. He was showering them with attention and giving them a platform they probably have never really had in their lives before him. I don’t mean any disrespect to the Mormon faith by my comment, I just know a lot of my friends who have come from that faith have shared the same frustration with the organization.
Demonicpossession is actually in Scripture. This guy doesn't know it isn't real.
How in the world does Chad find a short sleeve button up with such long sleeves?😂
Melanie gibbs is also a culprit it's very clear