Judo NEVER looked like wrestling (examples of old World Championships)
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- This video discusses the old judo of the 1980s and how diverse, dynamic, and fun to watch it was.
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Love your channel Chadi
As someone who started in wrestling and got into Judo in my early 20's I would tend to agree that Judo is a lot different that Wrestling. Good stuff Chadi
Great video. When I trained at the Kodokan (Tokyo) I used to go to their wonderful library and archives before class. I used to watch and study all their videos. Brings back memories. You are the best Judo scholar on TH-cam.
The over "sportification" of the art has changed the purpose, and also the intention/mechanisms of this and many other arts. Thanks for the good information
Excellent presentation of the core values of Judo.
When judo was judo😅
Police Judo evolved into a complete martial art in the 2000's.
You don’t like modern Shi-Do?
@@Majin_Doh Shido!!
Great breakdown! I will say that this type of Judo is way more applicable to jiu jitsu. I feel like there would be a lot more cross training if Judo was still taught this way.
there is a lot of cross training
Current Jiujitsu is only ground and pound. Old Style BJJ are more look like a Judo for me.
WAY better than todays Judo rules. WAY BETTER
In TKD 80s-early 2000s was the "power era" because you needed hard hits that could be detected by human judges whereas today's version utilizing electronic hit detection gets called "foot fencing." It'd revolutionize the sport if they simply took it to its natural conclusion and had a computer determine who would "win" in the street using tkd.
The IJF screwed up judo.
It’s already one of the most popular martial arts… if it can still be called that… yet, the IJF suits wanted to make it more interesting for spectators… well done (not).
@@uberroo6609 literally, can’t believe there are people out there arguing that it’s better now
Way worse. Today's Rules are nearly ideal! People tend to idealize past only because they love the time of their youth
@ nearly ideal? You can’t grab the legs and Time on the ground is so limited…
Great material as always - thank you
Golden times for Judo. The sport should go back to this, from where it should never have left in the first place.
❤ this channel
I want this back!!!!
Thank you so much for this
Some people say that Judo was boring when we had leg grabbing techniques because people would keep spamming them, but I can't find fights on TH-cam where this happens, in fact, it's hard to see morote-gari and kibisu-gaeshi in these old videos. So did this actually occur?
It was boring! And yes there were lots of direct leg grabbing attacks. Also there was loads and loads of boring kumi kata as there were no shidos for passivity.
I do not know why but people have a tendency to say that things were better in the past (not just judo )
Actually the current rule set makes today's judo much (!) more entertaining than it has ever been.
@@tobelliit’s not supposed to be entertaining it’s supposed to work
Except at the Olympics
@@tobelli I think people who are more comprehensively into martial arts or even just grappling in general just can't take it seriously now, as it's very incomplete with these artificial limitations. It's not natural.
Like tae kwon do with the lack of hand strikes or the utter absurdity of the point karate on the last olympics where a guy landed a perfect head kick KO and lost the gold medal, because it was not allowed.
Yeah, it's a sport, there will be specifics in the rules, which dictate the "meta" of what is optimal, objectives, etc, etc, but it's also a martial art, you can't go too far away from actual hand to hand combat and maintain a pretense of efficacy. If we're just doing it for health purposes and to look cool, there are a myriad of other, safer sports.
No sport-based fighting will "work." There will always be restrictive rules.@@xXTherapistdogXx
Muito obrigado pelo vídeo e pela legenda 🙏
fully agree. like the author
I wish judo could return to its roots
Your best video ever, fantastic 👏👏👏
To me judo is JACKET WRESTLING. With pin, takedown, suplex, etc.
Yes! It might not look like modern day forms of wrestling in the spotlight, but it does look like a lot of other traditional jacket wrestling styles.
@@MaodifiAlso worth to mention that most traditional wrestling is in fact jacket/belt wrestling!
In Russia they feel that it’s all wrestling. What are we wearing and what are the rules. This doesn’t translate well, but to them the wheel barrel is wrestling. The tires on the sides are judo and sambo.
Most eastern European and central Asia traditional wrestling styles look much more similar to judo than freestyle or greco roman wrestling.
Hello Mr. Chadi. We had one visiting Sensi, I forgot his name. There were times that he'd show us stuff that could really hurt people, with the elbows, fists and knees before and after a throw. He didn't say not to use those techniques, but it was considered to be dirty Judo. In a street fight though, the fights usually ended quickly. The stuff that you show is how we used to fight. More than once I returned home bruised. I toughed it out, it was apart of the thing. Now, what we were taught may be considered dirty Judo today . I will say, it made you tough, I only weighed between 125 to 130 pounds at the time. So at school or, else where, it was good to know the now considered bad things. Thank you.
Oh, Mr. Diocasta, a red and white belt, a huge bear of a man! I enjoyed watching him and our Sensi go at it, it was amazing! They could break your neck just by thinking about it. Mr. Diocasta had a great sense of humor too. Once, me and my sister let him try out our moped. Mr. Bonar said he looked like a bear riding a bicycle at a circus! We all laughed so hard. I miss the small Dojo days, we were like a little family.
I liked the Mongolian judoka's Sukui nage because they were so unique.
I don't really remember the old Judo scoring system anymore.
I think the athletes fought without fear of foul play as they do now.
Old scoring system: Koka, Yuko, Waza-ari, Ippon. But 4 Yukos were not an Ippon. And one Waza-ari was still superior to 2 or more Yukos.
Judo needs to bring back ground work! The fight should keep going when they hit the ground! Like freestyle that has a 5 pt throw. Award the high level throw that lands them on the back but keep the fight going
It would win over wrestling and bjj fans!
But why win over fans when they already have a sport?
This is why BJJ was created, just train both
@@matalolNot practical for a lot of people
groundwork hasnt gone anywhere - in fact I went to a Judo class last night that was only groundwork. The could giv emore time in cometition sure - but that isnt "Judo"
Judo has ground work
Much more dynamic and for my entertaining I think if they kept leg grabs if anything it would teach Judokas how to deal with leg grab heavy styles.
100%
Freestyle rules allow for the older style of competition. You'll find it in Midwestern America. My first competition was freestyle.
Freestyle wrestling? That's so cool
@@Tungdil_01 freestyle judo
Freestyle judo uses the older rules or at least it's more in line with the older rules.
People crying about judo being boring due to competition rules aren't judoka and judo obviously isn't your sport. . .same goes for BJJ newaza comps and people complaining it's boring.
Last of all, these arts are not meant to be entertainment for spectators.
There meant for effectiveness and not for your entertainment.
Ura-gatame looks like it's from a time when everyone carried swords and stuff. It makes sense to focus on the arm if it's holding a weapon and putting your body in the way gives you time to steal it from them.
A lot of the weird stuff in judo/jujutsu started making more sense when I saw similar techniques drawn in European medieval fighting treatises. It's cool how both cultures independently found the same solutions
One thing I'm always puzzling when watching Chadi videos (which I love) is this idea that there is a "truer", "older" Judo that is tougher and more useful. I don't doubt it, but where can you find gyms that practice this form of Judo? If Chadi encourages people to do Judo instead of BJJ, because Judo has the potential to include a great deal of ground fighting, then where can one find a place to practice it? I almost feel like there should be an App, to tell you where to go, lol. We can say "It's what you personally make of it", but is that accessible to beginners?
You need a good teacher, someone who encourages these techniques as well as veteran training partners who know these techniques.
Go to a bjj gym with a judo or wrestling class.
These old school Judo places don't seem to exist anymore.
My judo coach blends BJJ and MMA techniques into our lessons sometimes as he is also a black belt in BJJ and an MMA fighter, the problem is that all the tournaments are under IJF rule. If you want to compete you still have to follow that ruleset so most of the curriculum is still geared towards that.
Find a bjj gym that teaches judo. Typically they will teach in a manner that blends both arts.
5:11 te-guruma*
Interesting video. 😉
that escape at 0:57 !
Wow this is cool 😎
Excellent thank you
I started in 1989. Miss the leg grabs. The "wrestling" nations came more into upper level judo a bit later? I remember watching many international fights consisting of variations of kata guruma and sprawls. We got a high level eastern european coach here to coach the national team before 2000 and that was most of his coaching as well.
let's hope that judo can make a come back
Why not simply make it a rule that to touch the legs, the player needs to have at least one hand on the jacket?
That would limit shooting from distance for singles and doubles like classic wrestling, but it would enable, say, kata guruma, kuchiki taoshi etc.
If a home can't be found for morote gari, that's a small price to pay for reconnecting judo with leg grabs in a way that is consistent with judo traditions.
I think dojo judoka should learn all the classic moves whether they are legal in competition or not. Most hobbyist don't compete anyway.
Under 3 minutes in and I'm screaming "bring back the old rules!"
Jiujitsu: “why would you ignore 50% of the human body”
Judo: 👀
Shamefully
If you were a judoka you'd understand there's Judo competition w)rules and there's the art of Judo which has all the banned techniques still taught and learned.
Just to play devils advocate, isn’t that the the rule set of Greco- Roman?
@@SoldierDrew They're not taught and learned in that many places anymore.
lmfao hey I’d still rather just have upper body throws , with some trips and sweeps than to become a guard puller
What is this narrative of "wrestlers coming into judo". As if judo needs to be pure. Judo is just an expression of a time when things were changing in Japan. Where Jujitsu was fading because the samurai class was out of favor. Jigaro Kano even admitted to adding wrestling techniques in the creation of Judo.
If you hate olympic, like this comment. Olympic ruined every martial arts it touched.
Chadi there is a Mantis form of Judo - Shuai Shou Tang Lang. I understand it combines well with Red Fist and Dragon Ground Fighting.
Chadi you have to mention that some judokas had a bent over style even in the old days. Youre right that generally it's not true.
Another thing: Gordon Ryan generally has an upright style in his grappling and he is probably the GOAT in nogi grappling (also integrates Judo to his style)
In the olympics this year Japan bring back 3 golds in judo and 8 in wrestling. Best wrestling nation at the Olympics this year
The new rule change will come out sometime in January 2025 and I have a feeling after this olympics we could see some of these come back and return to tradition. A lot of people want this style to come back and the rules changes from 2012 and 2016 are killing judo as BJJ grows.
Le judo originel peut-être pas.
En revanche le jujutsu japonais traditionnel d'origine, L'AVANT JUDO, y avait bien de la lutte lors des combats en armure !
Les samouraï avaient pas de kimono ou de GI sur le champ de bataille au départ avec le Kumi-Uchi jujutsu (premier jujutsu). Ils devaient LUTTER avant de faire leurs projections de judo (les mêmes que en jujutsu traditionnel car le judo vient du jujutsu ancien et non l'inverse). A bon entendeur 😊
Judo is like if you put gis on Greco guys, and let them do foot sweeps. It has a bit of all types of wrestling, but isn't the same as any of them.
Well, there's a lot of old soviet satellites judokas here, because there're the ones with the less moves and technics that went hard on legs (and counter attacks which is probably the strongest point of their school). So it's good to see light weight, heavy weight, men and women, but there's missing judo cultures which differ greatly from a country to another. If we take Japan and France, those are two different kind of judo. If we have a look at Brazil or Cuba, it'll differ from the other two as well. As for the former soviet countries, that's the school a lot closer to wrestling and which isn't much appreciated by other schools and the public.
Now, the problem is the Golden Score which favors tactics over dynamism. To the public, it has to be dynamic to be impressive and entertaining. From the point of view of a judoka and many schools, tactics are a huge part of competitive judo. So, globally, they chose to apply new rules to favor our sport in our eyes, not the eyes of the public, which is rare in sports. Now during the last years, we had some impressive and dynamic fights despite the Golden Score rule, and many judokas will have to rely on a tactic to score before the end of the 4 minutes because they know they won't be able to have enough stamina during the Golden Score.
I think this was a thoughtful and intelligent example. Note: Very few high level or low level judokas, Japanese or otherwise, spend time in a total upright or "natural posture. (Including yourself Chadi, go back and watch your own randori videos)It's a less athletic posture. Not fully bent over like a freestyle wrestler but more of the greco wrestler. 45 degrees. Heavyweights are usually the exceptions. Which is the same in wrestling. Also, great to see a few seconds of women on the channel. Very, very few female judokas on the channel. Yet, a great video as usual.
Not only that, but I clearly remember watching judo world and Olympic games before the stupid no leg grabs rule, and some judokas had bent over styles of posture. Some had more erect. Some in between. It wasn't a one rule fits all.
Everything said in this video is 100% correct. However, fast forward to 2008, and it's a different story. Something went wrong.
What stands out here to me is that people went out there with one intention: dump the other person. Not win with shidos or by gaming the rules, but to win by Ippon.
By 2008, this mindset had changed. And IMO it's still present.
when i watch judo, i always think that the real meaning of back on the floor is for safety. If I don't care about my foe, I can maximize the force and the limb cracking. Am I right or wrong? please help
are there petitions to bring back leg grabs?
Current Judo should at least allow for a leg grab combine with a upper body grab.
7:27 i completely disagree. Flying armbars are an important staple of judo. Using it in competition has very little chance of breaking your neck. Shoot, osoto gari is more dangerous because of concussions
It seems to be able to do old school judo now ironically enough, you have to train in BJJ.
Yeah it did
Hunched over posture
It doesnt have the same mechanics, the movements, the execution of it and way more
RIP judo!
Naw it's Jacket Wrasslin. lol
that's more Shuai jiao
@@TroyIndureTillTheEndjudo is literally jacket wrestling as well
Judo never looked like wrestling. But neither did Jujutsu. But some styles of Jujutsu did. In fact, their submissions and holds all look like catch wrestling.
Sup chadi
Chadi
You were stopped if you did not have contact with the fight area.
Judo needs to tell the IOC to pound sand.
The Olympics need Judo, Judo doesn't need the Olympics.
how old judo didnt look like wrestling? u kidding me?
24’ Paris Olympic Judo was so disappointing.
at 1:49 why is a red belt competing with a black belt, is it normal ?
Yes. As you can see, they both wear white judogis. The red belt’s purpose is to differentiate between players, it does not reflect the rank. If you watch carefully, alongside the red belt he wears a black one , which is his rank. Nowadays problem is solved by using one white judogi and a blue one
If the 2024 Olympics taught us anything is that degeneracy is rampant and Judo is no longer Judo.
Make Judo, Judo again!
What the 2024 Olympics have proved is that judo rules have become so stupid that any biased referee can easily push a fight towards the outcome he/she wants, especially when the 3 referees decide not to step on each other's feet. I never talk like that about refereeing since I'm a referee myself, but what I've seen was unbelievable. Of course, it doesn't make sense for a referee to criticize the rules as he just has to apply them, but heck, in many situations I've seen them applied in a way that left me horrified. Apart from the usual 2-3 best referees, the rest was a total trainwreck. And those are considered the best of the best...
@@ilVecchioKoala it basically become like how BJJ refereeing is. They ref in favor towards Brazilians. Judo is now a shido waza game too.
Judo became tkd now 😂😂😂 both were actual combat sports and now it’s just something weird
it's not that judo looked like wrestling it's that wrestlers came to judo championships to participate and did wrestling instead of judo
And what is bad about that? It just advanced the sport
The IOC arguments against Judo and Wrestling similarity is nothing but a fallacy in my opinion.
The concern about it came down to wrestler crossed competing in Judo according to Neil Adams in his conversation with Lex Fridman.
Taking legs away from judo is like taking them away from bjj
Claro que hay diferencias y mas cuando los agarres dependen de un judogui ,se pelea descalso el que te tomen la espalda no dise nada ,hay trabajo de suelo , y la tecnicas de lanzamiento utilizando la cadera y los pies son utilizados con mas frecuencias que en el wrestling , hay otros aspectos a tener en cuenta ,pero si vamos a tecnicas de lanzamientos , el judo y el wrestling tienen mucha semejanza ,y no lo digo yo ,lo han expresados entrenadores de alto rendimientos y algunos atletas de maximo nivel , que hay sus diferencias claro que las hay
Who cares of its Japanese wrestling
Very selective footage supporting confirmation bias
もろ手刈りだけ禁止にしたらどうですか？それ以外は別にレスリングのような柔道には見えません。
Хм... Почему не похоже
JUDO IS WRESTLING!
1st
Bullshit. Today's Judo is much more meaningful and dynamic. Anyone could make video-cuts with spectacular moments even in Chess. Rules in the past were totally annoying and stupid. Spectators could not understand what is going on, therefore it was a sport for athletes only. Imagine football with empty stadiums if Rules are confusing and over complex. Today it is spectacular and much more technics. Instead of prohibited leg grabs and banned classic kata guruma there are now tens variations of kara guruma introduced avoiding leg grabbing, which was in a way bad as it made majority fights with athletes just pushing each other being bend over, with endless false attacks and being afraid to perform amplitude throws as you could be easily countered by the leg. Today's Judo rules are the best ever in the history. Lately IJF made some silly modifications, like adding meaningless Yukos back, but still main rules are staying to be the best and not confusing like it was in the past. Just imagine, before you could win by single shido without showing any technic!!! By sequence of a score!! And if no winning score was achieved, by hantei - subjective referees decision, where were simply raising up referee flags! Insane
@@openeyes-b1f ok 🥱
Дзюдо обрезали, кастрировали.
🔥Of course Judo never looked like wrestling🌟 it's lapel grappling💥Judo kept changing its rules because it was terrified of wrestlers knowing that wrestling was about to be chopped off the Olympic schedule so JUDO was soon to be besieged by a bunch of unemployed hairy leg Grabbers from Russia, Islamic countries and Mongolia. The ijf and ioc didn't want any of that because they're totally focused on advertising Revenue not honoring the Olympic Heritage they were in charge of
Chadi talked about this and he said that this is not true, this conversation is in his fourth recent video about the olympics, go an watch it
Was because leg grabs made the game passive
@@KaitoYarikawa Chadi Doesn't Know much about wrestling and has political motivations to deny that Judo was afraid of wrestling but those of us that know the truth will always be around
@@pieterduits4638 NOPE... whenever a wrestler won with a technique they would ban it in the next round of rule changes, wrestling style Judo works very well so they want to eliminate it
@@pieterduits4638 there's nothing passive about leg attacks, the igf and ioc did not want a bunch of unemployed wrestlers showing up in JUDO after the Olympics dropped wrestling