@killer 2308 You could, but the game secretly runs in a poorer quality if you turn the Romance Mode off. On Romance it runs at 64 bit. On Records it is still on the old 32 bit engine
I mean there is the fact that the time of Rome 2 and one are well known to the every man i mean we heard of the Romans, Carthage, Greeks and Macedon and maybe the Gauls, Iceni, Seleucid and Parthians. But then you come into Attila and yes people have heard of Rome but not this divided, weaker Rome which looks nothing like Rome to a common person, then you got the Huns, Saxons or Angles and the Goths people have heard of and the vandals, but after that The Sasanian Empire, the African tribes, kush, the lumbards are not as well known as the Rome 1 or 2 factions where. The dark atmosphere as well does not help i reckon. To be honest most Factions in in Rome 1 or Two and in a lot of the other titles have there enemies spelled out to who and are suggested where the Player should go first to expand example when playing as Rome you are told to squash the Etruscans, Gauls, Carthage, Greece for example, or as England told to kick some Scottish or French. or even in Warhammer as the Dwarves you are told to give the Orcs a good thrashing. You get the point. Attila lacks this for most of the factions yes you start with Enemies but your not really directed at them, Most factions start with the Same Western Rome enemy.
@@diegoragot655 Interesting, I play this campaign at the moment as eastern Romans (literally eastern romans:)) It is a pity that the modder gave it up (and no other modder took it over) because It does not have late tier units for my fraction like for the byzantine empire and the other unit mod does not function which probably include new units
@@AnimeFan-dl4qdOh hi, It reminds me of this other Attila mod with a Greek name (It is no longer playable). Btw, how good were the Romano-British kingdom in Ageless Empire?? ? (I think there was one if I am not wrong)
@@brydenholley1904 I agree with him as well. There are a lot of very good featurea in attilla that you wouldn't find in other tw games. Unfortunately it is also one if not the hardest tw game that's why it is not recieved as well to some players
And there is a reason. I'm not saying it's bad - I like it, especially the Belisarius campaign - but Rome 2 after 50 years of patching is my favorite. Don't like that Warhammer stuff; I'd rather play Empire or Napoleon TW. And you don't hear that often. :-)
@@theDiReW0lf im also more the historical player then fantasy but the game himself is also so boring so little biuldings to biuld shitty ingame music and everything warhammer is for me the badest total war ever but as u said now these shitty games is more popular then historicals an this makes me sad
One of the biggest weaknesses of Attila is that Attila himself has no weaknesses, he is basically unkillable... you just have to wait 60 years for him to die of dementia
The whole point of this discussion is why the game isn't as popular. "just using mods" isn't a solution to make a game mainstream with fans since most casual players don't mess with mods.
@@samwisegamgee8318 maybe its just me but I mod just about every game i have thats possible even the ones im just a casual player for, modding was one of the big things that got me into pc gaming all those years ago but i also think that if theres a problem with a game and mods fix it then why not use them and include them in the conversation
Tutorial: when defending towns in Attila as the WRE, place your cav outside the city in a hiding place like a small patch of trees. When the moment is right, charge them into the rear of those unsuspecting barbarians. Also it’s about holding choke points and using your archers to mass effect. Sometimes you can’t defend the town center at all. You may want to instead defend a specific street with only two points of entry and let them have the city square. And your archers may have to fight hand to hand more often than not. Some battles my scout equites racked up over 1,200 kills from charging into the rear of enemies and mass routing them. I love how Attila works. In 3 kingdoms I see men with 8 arrows in their arms not going down it’s ridiculous. But in Attila if an archer shoots you from point blank and you don’t have armor you simply die as you should. Gonna go play it now.
i like the feel of the battles as well. but my god, the 500 provinces you gotta deal with from turn 1, the public order... if only food buildings didnt punish your Public order...i mean come ON
@@Nutellafuerst Yeah, it's a bit harder to get a grip on, but I like the "end-of-world" atmosphere when playing as the Romans. Playing the WRE the first time back then was like OMG ! But in one of the hardest campaigns in my TW life, I managed to hold and re-conquer, fighting up to 6 battles over each end turn. Second attempt was retreating all the way back to Italy leaving nothing but scorched earth. That was easy going. (not being humble: I did so way before Legend of TW :-P ). By the time Attila himself came out to play, he had no chance. I highly recommend the second strategy over the first, if you have a real life.
The hardest part about WRE isn't defending settlements, that's pretty easy even against overwhelming Autoresolve odds, it's about having the motivation to fight 15 identical defensive settlement battles each time you hit end turn 😂
THISISTOTALWAR It just takes way too much effort. I could never do it, but watching Legend destroy the entirety of Atilla’s armies in a single turn and having every single army back the very next seems a tiny bit unbalanced.
killinspecialist I’m embarrassed to say I am completely incapable of installing mods. I don’t mean my computer can’t handle it, I mean I literally cannot figure it out, no matter the game. Unless if it has a built in mod installer I cannot do it.
There are also the FLC Garamantians, who start with pretty much only one front and can really take a cleaver to the squishy WRE and ERE at the isolated fringes.
I still believe Attila is the best historical TW so far. Although it is understandable that many people dislike it simply due to the relatively high difficulty and probably dark graphic.
For me, the difficulty and tone/gfx are the most appealing aspects. BUT.. the Huns are annoying as fuck. Yeah, they're difficult to deal with, but the same shit plays out every campaign. They lead an unstoppable razing party through the North and turn the map into smouldering rubble. I wish there was at least a possibility other factions could deal with them. But without testudo/onagers, good f'ing luck.
@@afawafa322 That 5% interest on ERE treasury every turn is so broken. I just turtled for a while and money became irrelevant. Pretty fun paying everyone to go to war with Huns.
Attila Total War is my favorite Total War game. The philosophy behind it and the apocalyptic theme is so deliciously unique and seeing Roman history from this era is a fascinating experience. True fans of the Romans will stand with Rome in its darkest hour, Ad Victorium!
Maybe it was because I played BI first, but I never had a problem with the accessibility to Attila Total War in that regard. I made this comparison before, but I feel that Rome 2 is a nice hamburger you can get quick, cheap, and don't need an acquired taste for, while Attila is an attempt at some luxury delicacy caviar sandwich or something that becomes almost inaccessible. The game is very stressful, aysmmetric, and while I love the "on the edge" feel of the game (Exactly why I got it), the game is one of the slower and less steamrolly games from my experience. Also after all the additions post-Empire Divided, and Attila feels outdated in many aspects. Would have been better if Attila got the ED DLC instead IMO.
Madason The Dark Poet agreed, much more challenging and much more satisfying pay off in the end, many obstacles to overcome very satisfying meeting the victory conditions
i love it too abd ny finest memories about all total war games had been the ending cutscene of the western roman empire when i won the campain on very hard ^^
One thing many people forget but its hugely impactful its the battles. In rome 2, there are characters 1v1 ing each other, while the fighting in attila is similar to older titles(rome 1/med 2)
But the Rom1/Med2 fighting is not only better, but also more realistic as in no real battle the frontline would dissolve upon impact into a mess of singlecombat-duells.
Very interesting analysis, you are the only youtuber that talks about Total War at this depth, great job! Also I really like the concept of Attila as a different game, more focused on hardcore fans that want a new challenge and not the classic "relaxed" start and build up into a huge empire
I personally just watched TH-cam playtroughs to understand the game, then after buying it, directly started with the eastern Roman Empire (on normal difficulty) and actually did pretty well
Thinking back, my first campaign with this game was Asturias from Age of Charlemagne. It was much more enjoyable than any vanilla campaign in my opinion
In some ways Attila is a spiritual successor to BI. BI was essentially an experiment in solving the problem of late game 4X boredom. BI eliminated the early and mid game, made the entire campaign the late game, and then introduced a number of concepts meant to keep the late game challenging and interesting like hordes. Attila took some of these concepts and refined them to the point that Attila is not really a 4X strategy game; it's a survival game. The point, even as the Huns, is not to conquer your opponents and build an empire. It's rather to not die longer than everyone else, which is really tedious when you consider the HUGE number of cheats the AI gets. I will give CA props for taking a risk on finding a way to put a stop to a nagging problem of the strategy genre which has existed within it since the very beginning. However, I don't think they succeeded. Clearly Attila rubs a fair number of people the wrong way. I mean, not failing longer than everyone else? There's a word for that, and it's "job" not "video game."
Well stated tbh I feel like Attila's vibe is what Total War Warhammer should've been cause it goes hand it hand with its lore 😂 but obviously making a strategy game like total war into a survival sim wouldn't be beneficial sales wise
You nailed it. I gave it the chance as the Saxons and played it through and left the game for a while after that. I would come back later and it has been my favorite TW since and none of the others can match it for me.
I love atilla, it’s got a different feel than the other historical games, like it’s the end of the world. you gotta think, for people like the romans at that time, it’s probably exactly how it felt. my first campaign was the Visigoths btw, went horde right away and migrated to spain
I played Medieval 2, Shogun 2, and Rome 2 and Attila outshines them by far. Gotta be open to new types of games, I survived as Western Rome on very hard and only lost one province, Tripolitania. Turn 200, no more Huns. Turn 290, no more Sassanids. I really love Attila.
I started with the Visisgoths! You get familiar with them by doing the tutorial and if you follow their historical path through Greece and Italy to Spain it is fairly intuitive and straight forward. I felt by the end of my Visigothic campaign I felt like I had to touch on almost every aspect of the game and it has given me confidence for future gameplay in any other faction.
I don't really have an issue with the hero commanders for Three Kingdoms. A) It fits with the Romance mode being based on the historical novel, and B) If you don't like them just play Records mode.
i always got itroduced to campaings by a cornerd of nation Rome with the Bruti Medieval 2 with England Empire with England Napoleon with Frace in the italy campaing Shogun with the satzuma Rome 2 Rome And then i load Attila ready to start a camping and hav no idea how to start. First i faild as the Huns going broke becouse i havent understood the horde mecanics then as the saxons being coucerd by the franks then as the franks being destroyd by the saxons. the after 3 faild campaings i dint playd attila cince last year i startet it again with the Caledonians ad it workt. now i can finaly bringe east rome again to glory.
@Brazillian Rhapsody i had alwys the proplem (not anymore) that i was not able to controle a empire. when there was more then 2 fronts i hatet it. when i declared war to a nation i wantet to destroi it before fiting any otjer nation. and i alwy forgot the Dyplomacy. So the money from trade dind came in. But this was some time ago. now its not a problem anymore. 2/3 jears ago i took the time to watch a lets play and then lock how he manages his citys what does he build ad al this stuff. it was so stisfing destroing England and Spin in Empire with Frace and dint lose all to puplic order issuse. I think i just suckt 2 jears ago.
I actually loved playing as the Saxons. And I think the reason for people not wanting to play this is the relative unfamiliarity with the era. You said it is the end. I say it is the beginning and rise of Barbarian kingdoms. Anglo-Saxon England, Frankish France and Germany, Langobardian Italy, Vizigothic Spain, Ostrogothic Italy, Vandal Carthage, etc., etc. And the deteriorating weather is also fun.
I don't think you are correct. I absolutely love Attila because it brings unique starting position, and unique campaign progression, unlike other games. I think the answer behind Rome's bigger playerbase is that Rome is simply less demanding in terms of your computer characteristics.
I disagree. Most people didn't start Total War with Attila and are able to pull of an Attila campaign with whatever faction on easy or maybe even medium with their Rome 2 knowledge. There is even a tutorial with Goths. The main problem with Attila is that it is annoying. Immigrants, illnesses, hunger, foreign religions, declining fertility... and everyone and their mother is focusing on the human player. Playing Attila feels like work, not like fun. Another problem, at least for me, is its graphic design. Everything is dirty, muddy and most of the colors are strongly toned down.
Didn’t even mention the most popular total war game. Total war warhammer 2 has 3 to 4 times the concurrent players, does hero combat right, has the most varied factions of any total war game, a massive modding community, a new update slashed the end turn time down to seconds instead of minutes like it used to be, siege battles are still trash through... though it seems like those will be improved soon. The Warhammer setting isn’t for everyone but it was weird that it wasn’t mentioned in the video
MELKOR hey no worries, this comment just sprang into my mind while you were going over the how the game compared to the recent total war titles. You mentioned Rome 2, thrones of Britannia, and if I remember shogun 2 (been up all night listening to total war videos so they sometimes blur) you mentioned the quality of the game compared to the new/old total war games and I was just surprised when warhammer wasn’t mentioned. Thanks for replying by the way, hope my comment didn’t come across as to harsh warhammer 2 is just one of my favorite games
What I love about Attila Total war is the war against the huns : it makes you think twice about your actions. They're perfectly killeable but it's a game of divide and annihilate.
I don’t like shogun 2 because of it’s stupid diplomacy. You are at war? - everybody hates you You are peaceful? - someone attacks you and everybody hates you.
You forgot to mention Total War Warhammer 2 (hmm I’m noticing that’s a trend on this channel), they have balanced starts too with every faction starting small.
It doesn't work well for brand new TW players, but I did find the Gothic factions to be particularly enjoyable in terms of empire building. I love playing as the Ostrogoths, migrating to Italy, settling, and then getting access to many of the Roman units too. Once you get into migrating it can actually be pretty fun. I still like to play M2TW and migrate my faction to the other side of the map.
Shogun 2 has huge replayability its not all always about the units its also about starting position, allies, quality of farms, resources, family tree starting with no kids starting with 2 brothers starting with a 50 yr old daimyo the list goes on what are you on about?
When I don’t play as WRE I play as the Jutes, destroy my neighbors and secure my borders. Get my armies that trait where they don’t take snow attrition and conquer the entire north then invade the British isles. After that I lose interest mainly because it feels awkward to me that, after building such a big empire, when I take brick and concrete cities they get reverted into thatch barns and huts. Just seems like after a while my civ would’ve advanced and learned from other cultures enough to build fortifications beyond wooden walls. That’s about where I lose the immersion and wrap up the campaign.
First time i loaded Attila and played my first campign as the Danes i had a blast really. I personally enjoyed the Day 1 of Attila over Napoleon,Rome2,Warhammer 1 and 2 and probarly Warhammer 3 and any other title from the Total War series.
The game itself, most of the mechanics, the graphics and the atmosphere were great, when I first played this game, I was really hyped up. I didn't care which faction was first on the board, I alreadyhat hundreds of hours in Rome two and looked through all the factions, loaded them up, looked at their units and positions and decided which I wanted to play my first campaign with after that. I had a great fun with my first 2-3 campaigns, but at some point I just felt it was getting really repetativ. The hordes played different then the 'normal' factions, but playing the horde felt on the campaign map mostly the same. And playing a 'normal' empire also followed the template every time: 1. Establish a power base 2. Defend against the huns 3. The game is over, since every other faction is nearly wiped out by the huns and proposes no challenge to beat. (I had a similar problem with Warhammer 1) Then every few years ~10% of our food just goes away from one month to another, and you have no easy way to know how much you will loose, so you can plan ahead and prepare. And I personally find that the movement range in this game is way to high. When the AI can send an army from there home settlement beyond you first, highly defended settlement, to raze a random settlement in your backyard, in which you have invested 10th of thousands of gold and you just loose it in an instant, without a chance to react... I don't know, maybe I'm playing wrong, but things like that alway bothered me.
@@nazdhillon994 Yeah, I really enjoyed Atilla the first few times, because of the atmosphere and history, but after that I played Rome 2 more again, because the campaingns felt more unique.
@@nazdhillon994 I moved to other titels. I had a similar problem with Warhammer 1, were every game ended fighting chaos, but I really enjoy Warhammer 2 in my 190h so far. And I will definetly play Rome Remastered and I think with that I won't have much desire for Rome 2 or Atilla.
I would like to see a total war: Europe, through the ages that goes from the time of Alexander, all the way to the , Late medival period of 1600swith an epic campaign, Poltok revolutions, faction name changing.
My first campaign in Barbarian Invasion i picked some central european faction with only one settlement who were literally losing money with the initial economy and got completelly destroyed by like 4 doomstacks in a few turns... Quit that game for years before giving it another chance lol. I thought the balance was completelly broken. And i do think Attila is similar in a way, because of how its much harder than Rome 2 and is more of a veteran's game
In my opinion, this is not a weakness, this is reality. It's a historical game and they made it historically accurate, it was super hard to survive back then and the whole European soil became a fu*k fest. Attila is for the bit more experienced players if you want a full experience but again I think it's not that bad and you'll have fun anyways.
My personal opinion is that the best games could be made during the times of greatest change. Napoleon, Shogun, Attila, Medieval, etc show these times that can be altered through the player’s perseverance. Great video: I think you’re right about the Saxons/Franks being the start instead of Attila.
I haven’t played a total war since Medieval 2. Now I really want to dive in, and I plan on getting the warhammers for mortal campaign....but I really want a historical and it’s between Atilla, Rome 2 and Shogun 2.
I'd say Shogun 2, base game, if you're looking for something more simple, (don't mix simple with easier, though). But it might gets repetitive if you don't give it your own twist of challenge. It sucks, though, what CA did to Fall of the Samurai. Rome 2 for more variety and areas to play in. I enjoyed both and have played about 700 hours of them combined. In both case, I'd recommend waiting for a sale. especially Rome 2. Can't talk about Attila, never played it.
I understand why it didn't happen(as you say in the video: Attila has a low player base), but a last mini campaign would have been the perfect way for the studio to give proper closure to the game. Specially when considering that CA Sofía gave us two very solid campaigns when it focused on Rome 2. A "rise of islam" scenario, begining in the last year of the reing of Heraclius with its own custom map would have suited the game to a T.
My favorite thing to do is retreat and sell all the territory to eastern Roman Empire on the continent, and focus on the economic development of Britain and Ireland. And build massive navy and assassins. Essentially doing the Celtic dlc. I did this in Barbarians Invasion Total war.
Attila's greatest weakness was one that was easily avoidable and would've been a vast improvement over what we got. Barbarian Invasion 2.0 should've been The Rome II Expansion Pack, the same kind Shogun II got!
Haven't seen the video yet but I never understood why Attila has way less players than Rome 2(which is still going extremely strong with almost as 90~95% players as Warhammer 2) even tho it's almost better in every way, with extremely good mods I might add , funny thing is I would still like to play Rome 2 more than Attila . Edit: having seen the video , as i understand it that your opinion is that the high entry skill needed turned off many players, but that may not apply to old total war players who played Rome 2 and knew many of the basics, at least that's my opinion, what's yours?
The Ancient Empires mod might just make Attila better than Rome 2, because after sometime the optimization issues in Attila wouldn't matter anymore and everyone might just jump onto Attila
total war attila was for me the most played total war; I played every total war but only in Attila I had over 3000 hours played and still play it today=D ( three kingdoms was also really epic for me but I only played it for 1064 hours to have all avs on steam)
Battles becoming too quick is a huge problem for me. You can't even develop ingenious tactics as there is litterally no time for it. Once I was performing a perfect encirclement move yet by the time my encircling units arrived, the front bait line was almost completely depleted even though it was in equal strenght with the enemy's units! In Rome 1 and Medieval 2, I remember you had more time to fight a battle and there was more suspense to it. Now it's just brute force tactics.
The thing is that the hordes were Attilas whole thing like how empire had a big focus on naval warfair Rome 2 had the political stuff 3k haveing the historical fantasy blend and warhammer haveing magic and single model units
I really disagree with Attila being best Total War. I have tried it several times and really tried to enjoy it, but every time, about the mid campaign, I come to a feeling that it’s pointless and frustrating and then I just stop. There are several reason for this: 1. Things that are easy to fix and CA should have fixed (but they newer bothered) like not being able to fast forward enemy agent actions. This really hits in mid campaign when there is gazillion enemy spies doing some pointless thing, tanking turns to take three time more than they otherwise would. 2. Unit balance, AI buffs and generally all stats. I don’t know what it is but when I look at units and their stats I feel like they don’t match. Oh, enemy general is dead and my cavalry is charging slingers, unit that I think should run in first contact with anything in any situation, decide to fight nearly last man. 3. Towns without walls and buildings slots. Building slots is not all bad, you are supposed to optimise but every town becomes same, either military or economy, because there are too few slots and too many high priority buildings. And when I got all the money, it feels really arbitrary that I’m restricted with slots. Also if you got the money every town should be wallable (is that a word?). 4. Siege battles. Long story short: I feel like town defences are specifically made to not be that hard for the attacker and I dislike this design decision. 5. Battle micromanagement. It seems that with every new TW title micromanagement in battles is increased tenfold with new unit abilities and increased speed of battle. Again I’m going to cut to the chase and say there is too many abilities. Most of momentary buffs are nearly useless or at least not worth it. Formations are cool but stationary ones just pain me. Advisor: “Sir, enemy is pushing hard in our middle. “ General: “No worries! We will flank them with our reserves. Soldiers there, move to flanking positions and double time.” Minute latter: Advisor: They are just about to overrun us, Sir!” General: Ok soldiers in flank charge now!” Soldiers: “Sir, we are still here. I know you commanded us to move but we are in shield wall and we can’t move anywhere in this formation.” General: “-.-“ Advisor: “Sir, battle is lost.” 6. Tech and “advancement”. Without going too much in detail I think it’s always bad game design when it’s better to wait than tech up because you lose some major things. It’s just really “gamee”. If developers really wanted to Roman Empires “change” trough campaign (not going to argue how stupid it is) it should have been something else like time related so that instead of losing better buildings with technology, they would lose ability to build them in specific time and would be forced to take technology for replacement buildings. 7. Lastly it’s not better. My favourites are M2TW (of course), S2TW and R2TW, all for different reasons. They are all better and worse than the other but Attila inherited most of what’s wrong with R2, added some bad things on it own and worst of all: it didn’t get better.
All those abilities, but NO GUARD MODE. That's my biggest issue. It makes using skirmishers a nightmare and adds so much needless micro'ing. Target something with an onager and a minute later the dumb asshole is pushing the thing past your line into a fucking cavalry charge.
I honestly prefer Rome only due to the fact it runs much slower for me. I'd start a campaign then give up after waiting ten million years for my turn will start. I never had that problem with any other total war game. I usually enjoy it at the beginnings but that stops me from not giving up.
MELKOR, please do a comprehensive Atilla Total War beginner's guide series. I tried to jump from Shogun 2 to Atilla twice and failed. I'm sure many others find it inaccessible too.
The problem with Attila is that they still have not make rework the skill tree characters and army legacy like Rome 2 Total War during release Empire Divided. Also, its really frustriting me that Western Roman Empire cant work properly when you pick other than Latin Christianity. Like it cancel every scientific and culture building when you want to get rid corruption path on civic tech tree. Not to mention you got -10 morale for Christian faction army against Huns Doom Stack! Fucking Hell CA
I remember my first time playing Atilla TW which was as the Eastern Roman Empire. I ended up losing every territory except Egypt and Constantinople and had absolutely no money. Then Constantinople was raised and suddenly I had loads of money, so I restarted expanding and took most of the my former lands back with Egypt as my base.
What i do with western Rome is sometimes just abandon the entire Empire and start again in Iberia or Italy, let the Barbarians take Over some land, and, basically just reconquista!
That's what I did with them on my first attempt as WRE and it made things super easy. Felt almost cheesy to do. The real challenge would be to defend all borders and keep Christianity. If it's even possible lol
@@theDiReW0lf keep christianity? Super easy just use edicts. But i have to use mods to become roman pagan, because it really turns me off when i go pagan but in the battle map the cities and towns still have churches and abandoned colosseums
@@theDiReW0lf no, i just build farms in negative food production provinces to prevent or delay rebbelions and try to gather my armies in gaul to defeat the suebi, and just try to battle out the hordes in my frontier garrisons, its pretty costly, but in the end, if you win the Battles it gives you a big breather.
Atilla's biggest weakness is the time era. Rome's biggest advantage is in the title; it puts you in the shoes of fledgling state of the greatest empire mankind has ever created, while also allowing you to play as successor states (post Alexander the Great) and rise of Eastern states again. It's just a too awesome time-era not to play.
I love attila, but its more difficult, features a less popular timeline (although it is one of my favourites), have horrible turn times on HDD and pretty bad for ssd as well, and the campagin made is quite unstable with all razes settlements and the climate change. I wish CA showed it the same love as ROME2, with all bugfixes and updates/dlcs.
I personally love atilla . It's a great historically based game that realy puts into perspective the chaos and struggle that was part of the dark ages .
Not all players want to play Paint the World - Total War I personally enjoy just surviving Attila's multiple attacks, starvation because of change of fertility and the horrific raze settlement mechanic, and still be able to thrive and prosper. I really enjoyed playing as the vandals, a real challenge 🙃
I started with sclavenians got fucked by hun full army spawns and had to start over 2-3 times until i learned where they spawn and when and then i slowly learned the game and reached 450 ad because i couldn't just wait for religion to go up and not take over east of the map
I agree with this. Attila is one of my favorite total war games but I really hate the main campaign. Charelmegne was fine I actually like that one (yes I can’t spell) but the custom matches even without mods is still awesome
I agree, and if you go with Rome the game is very unforgiving. The only way I survived was by taking all the armies back to Italy and abandoning the rest to rebellion and roaming hordes. Eastern Rome, forget it.
If only Attila had some sort of introductory campaign or scenario where you could familiarise yourself with general battle and campaign mechanics, as well as the new migration/horde mechanics. Ah, but one can only dream. I will never understand how so many people skip through tutorials and hints only to get stuck, misunderstand or miss mechanics completely and then still manage to blame the game for their own unwillingness to learn.
The biggest issues I have with Atilla in order of magnitude: 1.) Combat is too fast and arcadey. 2.) The time period isn't cool. I don't mind empires falling, but I want them to be MY empire falling. 3.) All the other TW issues such as AI being dumb, lack of interesting decisions, etc.
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I love Attila Total War. But I really do think this one small thing is why it is not as popular as Rome 2 for example.
@killer 2308 You could, but the game secretly runs in a poorer quality if you turn the Romance Mode off.
On Romance it runs at 64 bit.
On Records it is still on the old 32 bit engine
@@MelkorGG Hello there, do you like Imperium Total War: Ageless Empires??? (the mod)
I mean there is the fact that the time of Rome 2 and one are well known to the every man i mean we heard of the Romans, Carthage, Greeks and Macedon and maybe the Gauls, Iceni, Seleucid and Parthians. But then you come into Attila and yes people have heard of Rome but not this divided, weaker Rome which looks nothing like Rome to a common person, then you got the Huns, Saxons or Angles and the Goths people have heard of and the vandals, but after that The Sasanian Empire, the African tribes, kush, the lumbards are not as well known as the Rome 1 or 2 factions where. The dark atmosphere as well does not help i reckon.
To be honest most Factions in in Rome 1 or Two and in a lot of the other titles have there enemies spelled out to who and are suggested where the Player should go first to expand example when playing as Rome you are told to squash the Etruscans, Gauls, Carthage, Greece for example, or as England told to kick some Scottish or French. or even in Warhammer as the Dwarves you are told to give the Orcs a good thrashing. You get the point.
Attila lacks this for most of the factions yes you start with Enemies but your not really directed at them, Most factions start with the Same Western Rome enemy.
@@diegoragot655 Interesting, I play this campaign at the moment as eastern Romans (literally eastern romans:))
It is a pity that the modder gave it up (and no other modder took it over) because It does not have late tier units for my fraction like for the byzantine empire and the other unit mod does not function which probably include new units
@@AnimeFan-dl4qdOh hi, It reminds me of this other Attila mod with a Greek name (It is no longer playable).
Btw, how good were the Romano-British kingdom in Ageless Empire?? ? (I think there was one if I am not wrong)
"Total war attilla is one of the best total wars by far." Wow you don't hear that often
I agree with Melkor. I've got more hours on Attila than any other TW (and I have them all).
@@brydenholley1904 I agree with him as well. There are a lot of very good featurea in attilla that you wouldn't find in other tw games. Unfortunately it is also one if not the hardest tw game that's why it is not recieved as well to some players
And there is a reason. I'm not saying it's bad - I like it, especially the Belisarius campaign - but Rome 2 after 50 years of patching is my favorite. Don't like that Warhammer stuff; I'd rather play Empire or Napoleon TW. And you don't hear that often. :-)
I usually play it with a few mods like sanitation increase fertility and AI colonized burned world and is actually quite fun
@@ottovonbismarck2443 i agree with you as well. Even the romance mode of 3k kinda turns me off as well. I like the more historical total war games
Melkor: Attila is one of the best total wars
*Legendoftotalwar hated that*
Why Legendoftotalwar hate it?
@@philemon26 Because it's not Medieval 2.
legendoftotalwar is an big warhammer fan right? andd i hate warhammer so goddamn much and attila is on my 4. place (my opinion)
@@Rome895 Yeah I can't stand that fantasy shit. And since it's so popular, historical games will be fewer and further between.
@@theDiReW0lf im also more the historical player then fantasy but the game himself is also so boring so little biuldings to biuld shitty ingame music and everything
warhammer is for me the badest total war ever but as u said now these shitty games is more popular then historicals an this makes me sad
One of the biggest weaknesses of Attila is that Attila himself has no weaknesses, he is basically unkillable... you just have to wait 60 years for him to die of dementia
Lol he dies after you beat him for 2nd time in normal, 3 in hard and 4 in legend but only if he is king of the huns
Would be to easy if u could kill the main character of the game in one battle after all those turns of building up 😁
Just use some anti hun mods
The whole point of this discussion is why the game isn't as popular. "just using mods" isn't a solution to make a game mainstream with fans since most casual players don't mess with mods.
@@samwisegamgee8318 maybe its just me but I mod just about every game i have thats possible even the ones im just a casual player for, modding was one of the big things that got me into pc gaming all those years ago but i also think that if theres a problem with a game and mods fix it then why not use them and include them in the conversation
Tutorial: when defending towns in Attila as the WRE, place your cav outside the city in a hiding place like a small patch of trees. When the moment is right, charge them into the rear of those unsuspecting barbarians. Also it’s about holding choke points and using your archers to mass effect. Sometimes you can’t defend the town center at all. You may want to instead defend a specific street with only two points of entry and let them have the city square. And your archers may have to fight hand to hand more often than not. Some battles my scout equites racked up over 1,200 kills from charging into the rear of enemies and mass routing them. I love how Attila works. In 3 kingdoms I see men with 8 arrows in their arms not going down it’s ridiculous. But in Attila if an archer shoots you from point blank and you don’t have armor you simply die as you should. Gonna go play it now.
i like the feel of the battles as well. but my god, the 500 provinces you gotta deal with from turn 1, the public order...
if only food buildings didnt punish your Public order...i mean come ON
@@Nutellafuerst Yeah, it's a bit harder to get a grip on, but I like the "end-of-world" atmosphere when playing as the Romans. Playing the WRE the first time back then was like OMG ! But in one of the hardest campaigns in my TW life, I managed to hold and re-conquer, fighting up to 6 battles over each end turn. Second attempt was retreating all the way back to Italy leaving nothing but scorched earth. That was easy going. (not being humble: I did so way before Legend of TW :-P ). By the time Attila himself came out to play, he had no chance. I highly recommend the second strategy over the first, if you have a real life.
i could be defending my city and doing really well,then suddenly defeated...WTF..can that be fixed.playing as Umayads in spain which is hard.
singlepalyre things only :D Its weird that AI dont utilize much of the capturing mechanics.
The hardest part about WRE isn't defending settlements, that's pretty easy even against overwhelming Autoresolve odds, it's about having the motivation to fight 15 identical defensive settlement battles each time you hit end turn 😂
Why do you have to wait for Atilla to die of a nosebleed, why can’t you stop him?
You can, and i'm going to do so.
THISISTOTALWAR It just takes way too much effort. I could never do it, but watching Legend destroy the entirety of Atilla’s armies in a single turn and having every single army back the very next seems a tiny bit unbalanced.
Theres mods for that
killinspecialist I’m embarrassed to say I am completely incapable of installing mods. I don’t mean my computer can’t handle it, I mean I literally cannot figure it out, no matter the game. Unless if it has a built in mod installer I cannot do it.
@@praetorian9823 theres a steam workshop where u press one button and it's done just enable in the launcher after most of the good mods are on there
There are also the FLC Garamantians, who start with pretty much only one front and can really take a cleaver to the squishy WRE and ERE at the isolated fringes.
This was my first campaign actually and I loved it
@@samwisegamgee8318 garma is the most OP faction in the game IMHO the forts are unbeatable
I still believe Attila is the best historical TW so far. Although it is understandable that many people dislike it simply due to the relatively high difficulty and probably dark graphic.
yes the dark graphics, makes it awful to play for me too
For me, the difficulty and tone/gfx are the most appealing aspects. BUT.. the Huns are annoying as fuck. Yeah, they're difficult to deal with, but the same shit plays out every campaign. They lead an unstoppable razing party through the North and turn the map into smouldering rubble. I wish there was at least a possibility other factions could deal with them. But without testudo/onagers, good f'ing luck.
@@afawafa322 That 5% interest on ERE treasury every turn is so broken. I just turtled for a while and money became irrelevant. Pretty fun paying everyone to go to war with Huns.
@@Arrwmkr there are mods that improve it tho
You can just turn brightness up
Main problem of Attila is the units upgrade system. Basically everytime you upgrade cannot recruit those cheaper units anymore. I need my peasants
Attila Total War is my favorite Total War game. The philosophy behind it and the apocalyptic theme is so deliciously unique and seeing Roman history from this era is a fascinating experience. True fans of the Romans will stand with Rome in its darkest hour, Ad Victorium!
I think the main problem of Attila is that in every game the map turns into a wasteland, that divides the last survived factions
Attila had a tutorial that explained things pretty well.
Who loads a tutorial though? : )
Even with tutorial Attila was shit.
That Tutorial though leaves you kind of hanging around in a now angry Eastern Empire with the Huns right on your rear.
@@MelkorGG I do. 😋
Maybe it was because I played BI first, but I never had a problem with the accessibility to Attila Total War in that regard. I made this comparison before, but I feel that Rome 2 is a nice hamburger you can get quick, cheap, and don't need an acquired taste for, while Attila is an attempt at some luxury delicacy caviar sandwich or something that becomes almost inaccessible. The game is very stressful, aysmmetric, and while I love the "on the edge" feel of the game (Exactly why I got it), the game is one of the slower and less steamrolly games from my experience.
Also after all the additions post-Empire Divided, and Attila feels outdated in many aspects. Would have been better if Attila got the ED DLC instead IMO.
Madason The Dark Poet agreed, much more challenging and much more satisfying pay off in the end, many obstacles to overcome very satisfying meeting the victory conditions
I actually love Attila personally and it's so hard as well on Legendary as TWRE
i love it too abd ny finest memories about all total war games had been the ending cutscene of the western roman empire when i won the campain on very hard ^^
One thing many people forget but its hugely impactful its the battles. In rome 2, there are characters 1v1 ing each other, while the fighting in attila is similar to older titles(rome 1/med 2)
But the Rom1/Med2 fighting is not only better, but also more realistic as in no real battle the frontline would dissolve upon impact into a mess of singlecombat-duells.
@@anonymussicarius8899 exactly. There is a frontline moving forwards and backwards, but groups of people can be cut off. But never 1v1 fights
@@alecsis882 Sorry, missunderstood the beginning of your comment and thought you were arguing the other way around. XD
@@anonymussicarius8899 lol
Very interesting analysis, you are the only youtuber that talks about Total War at this depth, great job!
Also I really like the concept of Attila as a different game, more focused on hardcore fans that want a new challenge and not the classic "relaxed" start and build up into a huge empire
The throat singing never gets old
''The most popular mods are for attila''
*laughs in Divide Et Impera
that's a Rome 2 mod
I personally just watched TH-cam playtroughs to understand the game, then after buying it, directly started with the eastern Roman Empire (on normal difficulty) and actually did pretty well
mr Gopnik same
Balloon tower defense lmao that was pretty specific
Attila is my favorite Total War. Love playing as the WRE
Thinking back, my first campaign with this game was Asturias from Age of Charlemagne. It was much more enjoyable than any vanilla campaign in my opinion
Thats true the Age of Charlemagne campaine has better starting opportunities then the vanilla game... good choice 0.0
In some ways Attila is a spiritual successor to BI. BI was essentially an experiment in solving the problem of late game 4X boredom. BI eliminated the early and mid game, made the entire campaign the late game, and then introduced a number of concepts meant to keep the late game challenging and interesting like hordes. Attila took some of these concepts and refined them to the point that Attila is not really a 4X strategy game; it's a survival game. The point, even as the Huns, is not to conquer your opponents and build an empire. It's rather to not die longer than everyone else, which is really tedious when you consider the HUGE number of cheats the AI gets. I will give CA props for taking a risk on finding a way to put a stop to a nagging problem of the strategy genre which has existed within it since the very beginning. However, I don't think they succeeded. Clearly Attila rubs a fair number of people the wrong way. I mean, not failing longer than everyone else? There's a word for that, and it's "job" not "video game."
Well stated tbh I feel like Attila's vibe is what Total War Warhammer should've been cause it goes hand it hand with its lore 😂 but obviously making a strategy game like total war into a survival sim wouldn't be beneficial sales wise
You nailed it. I gave it the chance as the Saxons and played it through and left the game for a while after that. I would come back later and it has been my favorite TW since and none of the others can match it for me.
Attila has also campaing freezing problems. I love it but sometimes is frustrating 🙄
I would love if Attila had more mods focusing on the same time period as the vanilla game, maybe pushing the starting date to 410, or 425 AD
I love atilla, it’s got a different feel than the other historical games, like it’s the end of the world. you gotta think, for people like the romans at that time, it’s probably exactly how it felt. my first campaign was the Visigoths btw, went horde right away and migrated to spain
i did the same but with the alans
This is official history written by the winners, real history is different. You judge people by your own current standard.
I played Medieval 2, Shogun 2, and Rome 2 and Attila outshines them by far. Gotta be open to new types of games, I survived as Western Rome on very hard and only lost one province, Tripolitania. Turn 200, no more Huns. Turn 290, no more Sassanids. I really love Attila.
I started with the Visisgoths! You get familiar with them by doing the tutorial and if you follow their historical path through Greece and Italy to Spain it is fairly intuitive and straight forward. I felt by the end of my Visigothic campaign I felt like I had to touch on almost every aspect of the game and it has given me confidence for future gameplay in any other faction.
This is how I always imagined a fanboy's voice. On point, on point.
I don't really have an issue with the hero commanders for Three Kingdoms. A) It fits with the Romance mode being based on the historical novel, and B) If you don't like them just play Records mode.
i always got itroduced to campaings by a cornerd of nation
Rome with the Bruti
Medieval 2 with England
Empire with England
Napoleon with Frace in the italy campaing
Shogun with the satzuma
Rome 2 Rome
And then i load Attila ready to start a camping and hav no idea how to start. First i faild as the Huns going broke becouse i havent understood the horde mecanics then as the saxons being coucerd by the franks then as the franks being destroyd by the saxons. the after 3 faild campaings i dint playd attila cince last year i startet it again with the Caledonians ad it workt. now i can finaly bringe east rome again to glory.
@Brazillian Rhapsody i had alwys the proplem (not anymore) that i was not able to controle a empire. when there was more then 2 fronts i hatet it. when i declared war to a nation i wantet to destroi it before fiting any otjer nation. and i alwy forgot the Dyplomacy. So the money from trade dind came in. But this was some time ago. now its not a problem anymore. 2/3 jears ago i took the time to watch a lets play and then lock how he manages his citys what does he build ad al this stuff. it was so stisfing destroing England and Spin in Empire with Frace and dint lose all to puplic order issuse. I think i just suckt 2 jears ago.
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@@MoamadTrashman wy should a non native english speaker watch for grammar in yt comments?
I actually loved playing as the Saxons. And I think the reason for people not wanting to play this is the relative unfamiliarity with the era. You said it is the end. I say it is the beginning and rise of Barbarian kingdoms. Anglo-Saxon England, Frankish France and Germany, Langobardian Italy, Vizigothic Spain, Ostrogothic Italy, Vandal Carthage, etc., etc. And the deteriorating weather is also fun.
Really great video. Nice with your own educated opinion on the totalwar series design.
I don't think you are correct. I absolutely love Attila because it brings unique starting position, and unique campaign progression, unlike other games.
I think the answer behind Rome's bigger playerbase is that Rome is simply less demanding in terms of your computer characteristics.
I disagree.
Most people didn't start Total War with Attila and are able to pull of an Attila campaign with whatever faction on easy or maybe even medium with their Rome 2 knowledge.
There is even a tutorial with Goths.
The main problem with Attila is that it is annoying. Immigrants, illnesses, hunger, foreign religions, declining fertility... and everyone and their mother is focusing on the human player.
Playing Attila feels like work, not like fun.
Another problem, at least for me, is its graphic design. Everything is dirty, muddy and most of the colors are strongly toned down.
Didn’t even mention the most popular total war game. Total war warhammer 2 has 3 to 4 times the concurrent players, does hero combat right, has the most varied factions of any total war game, a massive modding community, a new update slashed the end turn time down to seconds instead of minutes like it used to be, siege battles are still trash through... though it seems like those will be improved soon. The Warhammer setting isn’t for everyone but it was weird that it wasn’t mentioned in the video
I agree with what you said and everything, but I see no need for it to be mentioned in this video.
MELKOR hey no worries, this comment just sprang into my mind while you were going over the how the game compared to the recent total war titles. You mentioned Rome 2, thrones of Britannia, and if I remember shogun 2 (been up all night listening to total war videos so they sometimes blur) you mentioned the quality of the game compared to the new/old total war games and I was just surprised when warhammer wasn’t mentioned. Thanks for replying by the way, hope my comment didn’t come across as to harsh warhammer 2 is just one of my favorite games
Bigest mistake? Attila built in 32 bits engine
Lemme guess, the optimization?
What I love about Attila Total war is the war against the huns : it makes you think twice about your actions. They're perfectly killeable but it's a game of divide and annihilate.
I don’t like shogun 2 because of it’s stupid diplomacy. You are at war? - everybody hates you
You are peaceful? - someone attacks you and everybody hates you.
You forgot to mention Total War Warhammer 2 (hmm I’m noticing that’s a trend on this channel), they have balanced starts too with every faction starting small.
It doesn't work well for brand new TW players, but I did find the Gothic factions to be particularly enjoyable in terms of empire building. I love playing as the Ostrogoths, migrating to Italy, settling, and then getting access to many of the Roman units too.
Once you get into migrating it can actually be pretty fun. I still like to play M2TW and migrate my faction to the other side of the map.
Shogun 2 has huge replayability its not all always about the units its also about starting position, allies, quality of farms, resources, family tree starting with no kids starting with 2 brothers starting with a 50 yr old daimyo the list goes on what are you on about?
It should've been a dlc for Rome 2 like barbarian invasion
Total war Attila was the first total war game i played with the jutes from the Viking dlc and now its one of my favourite games
When I don’t play as WRE I play as the Jutes, destroy my neighbors and secure my borders. Get my armies that trait where they don’t take snow attrition and conquer the entire north then invade the British isles. After that I lose interest mainly because it feels awkward to me that, after building such a big empire, when I take brick and concrete cities they get reverted into thatch barns and huts. Just seems like after a while my civ would’ve advanced and learned from other cultures enough to build fortifications beyond wooden walls. That’s about where I lose the immersion and wrap up the campaign.
Attila was my second total war and I loved the tutorial as the goths!
Played as Himyar, had a really fun campaign
Glad to hear I am not the only one loving Attila :3
First time i loaded Attila and played my first campign as the Danes i had a blast really. I personally enjoyed the Day 1 of Attila over Napoleon,Rome2,Warhammer 1 and 2 and probarly Warhammer 3 and any other title from the Total War series.
The game itself, most of the mechanics, the graphics and the atmosphere were great, when I first played this game, I was really hyped up. I didn't care which faction was first on the board, I alreadyhat hundreds of hours in Rome two and looked through all the factions, loaded them up, looked at their units and positions and decided which I wanted to play my first campaign with after that. I had a great fun with my first 2-3 campaigns, but at some point I just felt it was getting really repetativ.
The hordes played different then the 'normal' factions, but playing the horde felt on the campaign map mostly the same.
And playing a 'normal' empire also followed the template every time:
1. Establish a power base
2. Defend against the huns
3. The game is over, since every other faction is nearly wiped out by the huns and proposes no challenge to beat.
(I had a similar problem with Warhammer 1)
Then every few years ~10% of our food just goes away from one month to another, and you have no easy way to know how much you will loose, so you can plan ahead and prepare.
And I personally find that the movement range in this game is way to high.
When the AI can send an army from there home settlement beyond you first, highly defended settlement, to raze a random settlement in your backyard, in which you have invested 10th of thousands of gold and you just loose it in an instant, without a chance to react...
I don't know, maybe I'm playing wrong, but things like that alway bothered me.
So you liked Rome 2 better than Atilla in the end in terms of replayabilty ? Right ?
@@nazdhillon994 Yeah, I really enjoyed Atilla the first few times, because of the atmosphere and history, but after that I played Rome 2 more again, because the campaingns felt more unique.
@@Luwi1996 Same with me too. I am trying the DeI mod & so far I am loving it !
@@nazdhillon994 I moved to other titels.
I had a similar problem with Warhammer 1, were every game ended fighting chaos, but I really enjoy Warhammer 2 in my 190h so far. And I will definetly play Rome Remastered and I think with that I won't have much desire for Rome 2 or Atilla.
I would like to see a total war: Europe, through the ages that goes from the time of Alexander, all the way to the , Late medival period of 1600swith an epic campaign, Poltok revolutions, faction name changing.
My first campaign in Barbarian Invasion i picked some central european faction with only one settlement who were literally losing money with the initial economy and got completelly destroyed by like 4 doomstacks in a few turns...
Quit that game for years before giving it another chance lol. I thought the balance was completelly broken. And i do think Attila is similar in a way, because of how its much harder than Rome 2 and is more of a veteran's game
Biggest Problem is, you cant buy or sell provinces , three kingdoms had just the best diplomacy.
In my opinion, this is not a weakness, this is reality. It's a historical game and they made it historically accurate, it was super hard to survive back then and the whole European soil became a fu*k fest. Attila is for the bit more experienced players if you want a full experience but again I think it's not that bad and you'll have fun anyways.
My personal opinion is that the best games could be made during the times of greatest change. Napoleon, Shogun, Attila, Medieval, etc show these times that can be altered through the player’s perseverance. Great video: I think you’re right about the Saxons/Franks being the start instead of Attila.
I haven’t played a total war since Medieval 2. Now I really want to dive in, and I plan on getting the warhammers for mortal campaign....but I really want a historical and it’s between Atilla, Rome 2 and Shogun 2.
I'd say Shogun 2, base game, if you're looking for something more simple, (don't mix simple with easier, though). But it might gets repetitive if you don't give it your own twist of challenge. It sucks, though, what CA did to Fall of the Samurai. Rome 2 for more variety and areas to play in.
I enjoyed both and have played about 700 hours of them combined.
In both case, I'd recommend waiting for a sale. especially Rome 2. Can't talk about Attila, never played it.
I understand why it didn't happen(as you say in the video: Attila has a low player base), but a last mini campaign would have been the perfect way for the studio to give proper closure to the game. Specially when considering that CA Sofía gave us two very solid campaigns when it focused on Rome 2.
A "rise of islam" scenario, begining in the last year of the reing of Heraclius with its own custom map would have suited the game to a T.
Soon there ll be a mod coming out called 642 on steam ..................
@@baggelis_aikaterinis what? O yeeeeah
My favorite thing to do is retreat and sell all the territory to eastern Roman Empire on the continent, and focus on the economic development of Britain and Ireland. And build massive navy and assassins. Essentially doing the Celtic dlc. I did this in Barbarians Invasion Total war.
Attila's greatest weakness was one that was easily avoidable and would've been a vast improvement over what we got.
Barbarian Invasion 2.0 should've been The Rome II Expansion Pack, the same kind Shogun II got!
Dude!! OMG I couldnt agree more. Its just such a great game. I love it. Im subbed and curious to see what you bring in your future vids.
Haven't seen the video yet but I never understood why Attila has way less players than Rome 2(which is still going extremely strong with almost as 90~95% players as Warhammer 2) even tho it's almost better in every way, with extremely good mods I might add , funny thing is I would still like to play Rome 2 more than Attila .
Edit: having seen the video , as i understand it that your opinion is that the high entry skill needed turned off many players, but that may not apply to old total war players who played Rome 2 and knew many of the basics, at least that's my opinion, what's yours?
Total War Attila is all about surviving and after that growing, being Rome (west or East) or even being a horde faction.
The Ancient Empires mod might just make Attila better than Rome 2, because after sometime the optimization issues in Attila wouldn't matter anymore and everyone might just jump onto Attila
The biggest enemy of attila is the fucking piss poor optimisation
total war attila was for me the most played total war; I played every total war but only in Attila I had over 3000 hours played and still play it today=D ( three kingdoms was also really epic for me but I only played it for 1064 hours to have all avs on steam)
I started with the Garmantians in Africa. I was able to learn about the game and not get slammed to early.
Battles becoming too quick is a huge problem for me. You can't even develop ingenious tactics as there is litterally no time for it. Once I was performing a perfect encirclement move yet by the time my encircling units arrived, the front bait line was almost completely depleted even though it was in equal strenght with the enemy's units! In Rome 1 and Medieval 2, I remember you had more time to fight a battle and there was more suspense to it. Now it's just brute force tactics.
The thing is that the hordes were Attilas whole thing like how empire had a big focus on naval warfair Rome 2 had the political stuff 3k haveing the historical fantasy blend and warhammer haveing magic and single model units
I wish i can building an empire as the Hun, like the old game.
I really disagree with Attila being best Total War. I have tried it several times and really tried to enjoy it, but every time, about the mid campaign, I come to a feeling that it’s pointless and frustrating and then I just stop. There are several reason for this: 1. Things that are easy to fix and CA should have fixed (but they newer bothered) like not being able to fast forward enemy agent actions. This really hits in mid campaign when there is gazillion enemy spies doing some pointless thing, tanking turns to take three time more than they otherwise would. 2. Unit balance, AI buffs and generally all stats. I don’t know what it is but when I look at units and their stats I feel like they don’t match. Oh, enemy general is dead and my cavalry is charging slingers, unit that I think should run in first contact with anything in any situation, decide to fight nearly last man. 3. Towns without walls and buildings slots. Building slots is not all bad, you are supposed to optimise but every town becomes same, either military or economy, because there are too few slots and too many high priority buildings. And when I got all the money, it feels really arbitrary that I’m restricted with slots. Also if you got the money every town should be wallable (is that a word?). 4. Siege battles. Long story short: I feel like town defences are specifically made to not be that hard for the attacker and I dislike this design decision. 5. Battle micromanagement. It seems that with every new TW title micromanagement in battles is increased tenfold with new unit abilities and increased speed of battle. Again I’m going to cut to the chase and say there is too many abilities. Most of momentary buffs are nearly useless or at least not worth it. Formations are cool but stationary ones just pain me. Advisor: “Sir, enemy is pushing hard in our middle. “ General: “No worries! We will flank them with our reserves. Soldiers there, move to flanking positions and double time.” Minute latter: Advisor: They are just about to overrun us, Sir!” General: Ok soldiers in flank charge now!” Soldiers: “Sir, we are still here. I know you commanded us to move but we are in shield wall and we can’t move anywhere in this formation.” General: “-.-“ Advisor: “Sir, battle is lost.” 6. Tech and “advancement”. Without going too much in detail I think it’s always bad game design when it’s better to wait than tech up because you lose some major things. It’s just really “gamee”. If developers really wanted to Roman Empires “change” trough campaign (not going to argue how stupid it is) it should have been something else like time related so that instead of losing better buildings with technology, they would lose ability to build them in specific time and would be forced to take technology for replacement buildings. 7. Lastly it’s not better. My favourites are M2TW (of course), S2TW and R2TW, all for different reasons. They are all better and worse than the other but Attila inherited most of what’s wrong with R2, added some bad things on it own and worst of all: it didn’t get better.
All those abilities, but NO GUARD MODE. That's my biggest issue. It makes using skirmishers a nightmare and adds so much needless micro'ing. Target something with an onager and a minute later the dumb asshole is pushing the thing past your line into a fucking cavalry charge.
Attila was my first Total War and my baptism of fire.
And for that reason Attilla is one of my favorites.
I honestly prefer Rome only due to the fact it runs much slower for me. I'd start a campaign then give up after waiting ten million years for my turn will start. I never had that problem with any other total war game. I usually enjoy it at the beginnings but that stops me from not giving up.
MELKOR, please do a comprehensive Atilla Total War beginner's guide series. I tried to jump from Shogun 2 to Atilla twice and failed. I'm sure many others find it inaccessible too.
Just saw this video but good analysis.
YES! I agree! One of the Best Total Wars by far! I liked it A LOT Better then I did Rome II.
Why do the AI not get any attrition for marching through snow or staying a turn in snow
My game made the huns suffer from attrition and that's how I killed Attila as the slavs
The problem with Attila is that they still have not make rework the skill tree characters and army legacy like Rome 2 Total War during release Empire Divided.
Also, its really frustriting me that Western Roman Empire cant work properly when you pick other than Latin Christianity. Like it cancel every scientific and culture building when you want to get rid corruption path on civic tech tree.
Not to mention you got -10 morale for Christian faction army against Huns Doom Stack! Fucking Hell CA
That’s funny, I’ve heard the opposite from most TH-camrs, with them bashing Attila (ie Legend of Total War).
I remember my first time playing Atilla TW which was as the Eastern Roman Empire. I ended up losing every territory except Egypt and Constantinople and had absolutely no money. Then Constantinople was raised and suddenly I had loads of money, so I restarted expanding and took most of the my former lands back with Egypt as my base.
Attila, the Dark Souls of Total War
What i do with western Rome is sometimes just abandon the entire Empire and start again in Iberia or Italy, let the Barbarians take Over some land, and, basically just reconquista!
That's what I did with them on my first attempt as WRE and it made things super easy. Felt almost cheesy to do. The real challenge would be to defend all borders and keep Christianity. If it's even possible lol
@@theDiReW0lf keep christianity? Super easy just use edicts. But i have to use mods to become roman pagan, because it really turns me off when i go pagan but in the battle map the cities and towns still have churches and abandoned colosseums
@@endo4137 I assumed you destroyed the churches too. Gives you so much money and they're way too expensive to maintain in the early game.
@@theDiReW0lf no, i just build farms in negative food production provinces to prevent or delay rebbelions and try to gather my armies in gaul to defeat the suebi, and just try to battle out the hordes in my frontier garrisons, its pretty costly, but in the end, if you win the Battles it gives you a big breather.
Atilla's biggest weakness is the time era. Rome's biggest advantage is in the title; it puts you in the shoes of fledgling state of the greatest empire mankind has ever created, while also allowing you to play as successor states (post Alexander the Great) and rise of Eastern states again. It's just a too awesome time-era not to play.
I played as menelaus and its good BUT first 20 turns are a nightmare to kick start
I love attila, but its more difficult, features a less popular timeline (although it is one of my favourites), have horrible turn times on HDD and pretty bad for ssd as well, and the campagin made is quite unstable with all razes settlements and the climate change. I wish CA showed it the same love as ROME2, with all bugfixes and updates/dlcs.
Interesting point!
For me too ATTILA is the best historical game, sadly its true weakness is the shitty ottimized game.
Agreed. The optimization kills it for me :(. Turn times too slow.
I personally love atilla . It's a great historically based game that realy puts into perspective the chaos and struggle that was part of the dark ages .
The funny thing is that this game is my Second total war game
Not all players want to play Paint the World - Total War
I personally enjoy just surviving Attila's multiple attacks, starvation because of change of fertility and the horrific raze settlement mechanic, and still be able to thrive and prosper. I really enjoyed playing as the vandals, a real challenge 🙃
I started with sclavenians got fucked by hun full army spawns and had to start over 2-3 times until i learned where they spawn and when and then i slowly learned the game and reached 450 ad because i couldn't just wait for religion to go up and not take over east of the map
Well i think that with the last patches all got fixed, and the medieval mods are realy making this game absolutely fantastic
Anyone know if the original Barbarian Invasion can be played on Steam?
3:07 perfect cut
I agree with this. Attila is one of my favorite total war games but I really hate the main campaign. Charelmegne was fine I actually like that one (yes I can’t spell) but the custom matches even without mods is still awesome
I recommended my best friend to start with the Geats. Easy to manage
I agree, and if you go with Rome the game is very unforgiving. The only way I survived was by taking all the armies back to Italy and abandoning the rest to rebellion and roaming hordes. Eastern Rome, forget it.
If only Attila had some sort of introductory campaign or scenario where you could familiarise yourself with general battle and campaign mechanics, as well as the new migration/horde mechanics. Ah, but one can only dream.
I will never understand how so many people skip through tutorials and hints only to get stuck, misunderstand or miss mechanics completely and then still manage to blame the game for their own unwillingness to learn.
Rome total war barbarian invasion was a great game
The biggest issues I have with Atilla in order of magnitude: 1.) Combat is too fast and arcadey. 2.) The time period isn't cool. I don't mind empires falling, but I want them to be MY empire falling. 3.) All the other TW issues such as AI being dumb, lack of interesting decisions, etc.