exactly, Apple is just insanely priced. To the point where I figured hey I can make a small form factor PC build with great cooling, 64GB and an 13600k for 1250 or buy a M3 pro macbook for 3500 and get less for way more... hmm.
@@wyntje83 price comparison of a tower to a laptop is a bit odd. 64GB and for instance a 4090 in a non cheap plastik Windows Laptop is also way over 2k
@@Heimdall-hb5iti completely agree... Maybe comparing it up a surface laptop or XPS maybe... But of course you can build a desktop for less... But building one better than an M series Mac mini at the price point that is as powerful would be a more accurate comparison and quite the feat
Apple makes their money off hardware unlike android or some other makers who undercut the device cost and then sell your data or include bloatware. Memory upgrades are expensive but I'll happily pay as their hardware lasts for years. I speak from experience and as someone who switched from Windows to mac. Some software things confuse me but overall I would have a hard time going back to a PC. Build quality, battery life, and day to day usability are amazing.
0:32 I hope Apple lowers the stupidly excessive money they charge for RAM and Storage upgrades so that people will actually find some meaning to buy a laptop that can never be upgraded
LOL, They'll reduce the price of each incremental upgrade by 20% in the M4 generation if sales stay weak and everyone will praise them for it, even though the bulk cost per GB of DRAM and NAND flash has already dropped by more than 60% since M1 and likely more like 70% by the time M4 is released.
You all seem to be missing the point about why Apple's RAM and SSD are worth the cost (and I'm saying this as a Windows user). From what I understand, Apple custom designs their RAM and SSD to work specifically with their chips and hardware, so a lot of production costs go into that. My dad works in the design sector for companies like Apple and Microsoft, so I have some insider knowledge on this. Meanwhile, with Windows, there are tons of brands competing, so they can just slap in off-the-shelf NVMe SSDs and call it a day. But even with that said, I'll admit Apple's pricing is still crazy expensive.
@@abhidatta_b9227 no dude, that's the marketing... They don't design RAM or solid state storage. They buy the same RAM chips for their MacBooks from Micron or Samsung to solder directly to their motherboard that Corsair buys to solder directly onto a DIMM. There are tons of other non-Apple laptops that also solder the same RAM chips to their motherboards as well. Apple buys the same DRAM chips, doesn't have the added cost of DIMMs and can technically run the memory speed a bit higher soldered closer to the CPU than when using the same DRAM on a DIMM/SODIMM slot, but with their buying power and not needing additional boards and RAM slots, it costs Apple much less per GB for RAM than Dell or ASUS would have to pay using SODIMM at the same capacity, like at least 30% less or more given their buying power. There is a difference with SSD, but it's not what you think. Apple uses the exact same NAND flash chips that your NVMe SSD manufacturers use. The big difference with Apple is that they brought the SSD controller into their Silicon, where as a NVMe or 2.5" SSD will have the controller on the M.2/drive itself. Since Apple is buying the same NAND storage chips as everyone else at quantifies/economies of scale unmatched by anyone else, not only are they paying less per GB for the raw NAND chip capacity, they don't have to pay for a separate controller for every "drive" as an SSD OEM does, no additional board required like an M.2 NVMe, no additional M.2 slot cost to solder to the main board. Apple can sneak more performance out of each same chip due to the proximity and connection to the controller/CPU/DRAM. So while Apple does gain some minor performance benefits from using soldered NAND chips instead of M.2 SSD's with those same chips (max maybe 10%), their cost per GB of usable storage in a laptop or mobile device is probably 30%+ less than someone like Dell's would be for the same capacity in their laptops if using an M.2 NVMe SSD. So yes, there are some technical benefits that Apple gets, but the biggest two benefits from them using soldered RAM and NAND SSD's is significantly lower cost (enormous profit margins) and lack of upgradability which not only drives more frequent upgrades, but creates obvious segmentation that naturally pushes buyers outside of their base models and into higher spec models that they make even higher gross profit % per unit on due to their massive markups. You need to realize that a company like Dell, ASUS or HP is probably making a about 15-20% gross margin if their lucky on their premium laptops. Apple also pays way less for distribution and retailers. That doesn't sound that bad, but when you realize that results in a Dell or HP making $300 gross profit on a laptop that sells for $1500, and Apple making $1400 in gross profit on similar or lesser capacity MacBook they sell for $2000, it's pretty disgusting. I the rest of electronics industry, manufacturing and selling something for $13 that cost them $10 is seen as successful, but Apple feels entitled to charge their customers at a minimum of least double what their costs were on a given product, in some cases triple, which is why they are one of the most profitable companies in human history. Tesla was doing the exact same thing until they exhausted the market of idiots willing to pay double what a conventional higher quality ICE vehicle sells for with less range, 1% the filling stations, and when competition finally arrived and they had to fight for sales, Tesla cut the price of their Model S Plaid from nearly $138,000 to $91,000. They are absolutely still making extremely healthy profit per unit, but they cut the price by $44,000, and that's often roughly the figure estimated for Tesla's cost of producing that vehicle. What Tesla is experiencing is exactly why Apple does what they do. This shit is out of control, and consumers treat these brands like cults and not only allow the behavior, they reinforce it by rewarding them by continuing to buy, by being frighteningly loyal and s1mping for%defending these brand ls publicly.
The battery life comparison is weird. You're comparing your 16" model with a bigger battery and M2 Pro chip against the 14" model with a smaller battery and the most power hungry M3 chip. Other reviews have shown that the M3 Pro is more efficient than the M2 Pro.
I think it's more of a real-world decision than a proper apples-to-apples comparison. He has laptop X which has great battery life, which is really important to him. He was offered laptop Y which has worse battery life, therefore it's a downgrade in real terms.
The funny part is that if he put it into low power mode it run equal to or better than the M2 Max withe half the power draw. So if he only cared about battery and thermal performance, problem solved
@@JarrodsTech You might be right. I struggle with Gear Acquision Syndrome and FOMO myself. My guess is that Apple will add some new OS features that need some new AI hardware not found in the current models, or some other hardware refresh that will make us all run out and upgrade. They're very good at selling us their latest & greatest. Let's give it a couple of yesrs and see!
Woah! 4k 10-minute video rendered in under 2 minutes seems crazy when factoring in older laptop performances. It used to take between 30 to 60 minutes.
you know what's crazy? a m1 max would have the same export time as the m3 max, as the media-engines are the exact same ones, but max versions have double the encoders/decoders in comparison to the pro versions. Unless you're using gpu effects really heavily in your videos it's gonna be the exact same for m1/m2/m3 max for exporting video
Just bought the 13” MacBook Pro M2 24GB/1TB because Best Buy has it on sale brand new for only $1,299!! There’s no way I was going to let this price to specs pass up. People say 13” is too small but I tell them if I ever need more space, I’ll just connect to my desk monitor.
Wow that’s actually such a deal, wish I could get a price like that in Europe. Yeah 13/4 inch isn’t too small. Both 16 and 14 inch displays are far too small to be working on all day. At home or at the office you should have a big display, my one is 42 inches. The built in display is for the couch and for travelling.
I have always used the smaller ones. I like them. They are lighter and easier to use for my purposes. Good for you! I am looking for a good deal on one now.
Yeah, there are a lot of differences between the 14 and the 16. Speakers, track pad, battery, screen size(duh) but also thermals, noise and therefore speed. Also fun to call out is that a 16" model can draw 15-20W more power for extra performance. No-one seems to be talking about that ever. Simply because it has the better thermal solution to get rid of the resulting heat.
I think the 14” chassis can better handle the thermal load of the M3 Pro chip. If you want the Max, the 16” is pretty much required to be able to cool it. What you have there is not a great configuration, and leads to high fan noise and lower battery life.
You all seem to be missing the point about why Apple's RAM and SSD are worth the cost (and I'm saying this as a Windows user). From what I understand, Apple custom designs their RAM and SSD to work specifically with their chips and hardware, so a lot of production costs go into that. My dad works in the design sector for companies like Apple and Microsoft, so I have some insider knowledge on this. Meanwhile, with Windows, there are tons of brands competing, so they can just slap in off-the-shelf NVMe SSDs and call it a day. But even with that said, I'll admit Apple's pricing is still crazy expensive.
@@abhidatta_b9227yeah no, that's marketing. Apples ssd especially is actually much lower performance than most ssds you can buy in all aspects except sequential transfers (= still not better). These basically don't matter in the real world but guess What? They give the highest numbers so they're great for marketing and that's the one metric apples ssds manage to keep up with, wonder why? The ram.on the other hand is literally just the exact same as what other manufacturers use when soldering it which is just the slower low power ram
People really underestimate how much USD 7,000 is. You said it, it can buy you a car. Where I am staying, I can buy a relatively new car that went 5,000km with that money. It's bonkers
“The keyboards aren’t the best, but they do get the job done.” Thank you for actually telling the truth about Mac keyboards and not pretending they’re amazing like most reviewers do.
Yeah, really wobby keyboard. I did return my M3 Max cause: display issue (blue at up and pink at bottom tint spots, which kinda not all people see, also backlight issues on display borders), absolutely stupid keyboard - you kinda put fingers in something viscous, this is how I feel it, M3 Max even in 16 inches case is HOT chip, non-legs friendly in any sense.
There were so many weird things about the M3 that I decided to hold off until the M4 at least. The Performance vs Efficiency mix, the weird power consumption, but then the GPU architecture advancements do seem quite nice. The M1 being silent was such a huge feature, hope they can get back to that. (they really hold back sales with their insane RAM/SSD mark ups, and it hurts their brand loyalty, it makes EVERYONE upset and it is obviously just greed on Apple's part)
The markup prices are definitely killing their sales. If they just started selling their base model with 16 gb ram, I would buy it without a second thought. But right now I have to shell out extra 200 dollars which is insane.
I'm actually finding that my older 2020 M1 Macbook still holds up perfectly well for on-the-go use. I never expected it to be as fast as my 4090 / 7950 x3d system. I have totally different expectations for a portable vs a desktop system. And while I'd never buy a Mac for desktop use, I'll only go Apple for a laptop. "The right tool for the right job" as the saying goes.
well brother some people like me dont have multiple systems. I need something to cover everything and at this point in life and the way things are with tech i believe we need 16Gb of ram for sure. But a friend of mine in the same position as you has no problem with the M1 mac and truth is it can do anything than work better than pretty much anything. He does Work on a pc though@@dtsdigitalden5023
One thing I am consider about is their support for AV1 codec, they only support the encoder but not the decoder, which is a bit strange, but in the meantime, nowadays the camera companies have not support 10bit av1 codec video, so I guess for now it doesn't matter, but at least for now the Lightroom export avif files will be very slow no matter which apple silicon.
I actually went from a 16 M1 Max to a 14 M3 Pro MBP. For me portability was the driver. Actually have yet to regret the decision. Battery is actually pretty crazy on the 14 M3 Pro.
This has got to be THE WORST comparison video I’ve ever seen from a tech TH-cam channel. Comparing the the mid-tier M1 Pro in the 16-inch chassis with the top-end M3 Max in a 14-inch chassis is like saying you prefer a 4-year old Range Rover Sport over your brand new Aston Martin DB12 because it’s got a more seats and cargo space 🤦♀️
I upgraded from a 2020 base MacBook Pro with an M1 to the M3 Max 14 inch - couldn’t be happier. The CPU outperforms my 13900K desktop, and the GPU even knocks my cousin’s 4080 laptop in productivity. All of this while the fans stay completely silent in office work, and put almost every windows laptop to shame in battery life… and maybe even performance because as I said, the M3 Max is a beast!
To be honest, this review was uninformative. For most of it, it compared the form factor differences rather than chipset. Why didn’t you all review the 16 M1 vs 16 M3? To be honest, I don’t know who is the target consumer for a top tier 14 M3 Max. Would they just get the 16 anyways?
Getting a 14" Max is a waste as it really needs the thermal headroom and extra battery capacity of the 16". Much more cost effective to get a 14" Pro or 16" Max.
@@adriftatlasThe M3 Pro is limited to 2 external displays. I would need the M3 Max because I use 3 external displays. Yes, I do use them. No, I don't use a Mac.
If Apple offered 16 GB RAM and 512 GB/1TB storage as the base model, they’d sell a lot more units. The base model is ridiculous and borderline criminal in 2024 for a machine that is not easily user-upgradable (you can solder on more storage later on, but most people can’t or won’t do that). I prefer the 14” size… the 16” is too bulky for me even though it has more real estate, better speakers, better battery life, better thermal performance. Also, you say you don’t update macOS but I would recommend against that practice as Apple regularly patches zero day security vulnerabilities, many of which have been exploited in the wild. So by remaining on the older version of the OS, you’re actually unwittingly incurring a security risk by doing so.
The M3 Pro and M3 Max start at 18GB/512GB! Only the base M3 starts at 8GB, and that is ultimately a souped-up ultrabook, not for Pro work per se. If you are doing "pro" work then do not buy the base M3, get either the M3 Pro or M3 Max chip.
@@andyH_England 18gb of ram is way too little for a 2000 dollar machine in 2024. Student laptops had that 7 years ago. I tried to run my creative workflows on a base m3 pro but just couldn’t. It’s so ram starved. 32 is the minimum for any non web browsing workflow today. Obviously you can get by with less but it’s tough to be spending thousands of pounds and be struggling with a ram starved system.
@@definingslawek4731 I agree that you can never have too much RAM, and 32GB is the sweet spot for pro users. However, 18GB of MB Pro 14/16 M3 Pro is fine for part-time or semi-pro users. Top pro users will buy the M3 Max, which starts at 36GB, more than many Windows pro machines, and you can go up to 128GB! Apple is covering all buyers. As for the price, Apple is premium, and you cannot expect it to compete with ACER and other cheaper Windows machines. Apple has been expensive for 20 years, and people are making the same complaints about prices, despite knowing this, is borderline excessive behaviour. A Merc has always been more expensive than a Ford, but we do not see the same complaints every release saying that Mercs are expensive!
@@andyH_Englandthe price of those pro/max machines aren’t the base price tho. This is the first year/model that Apple is including the base m-series chip in the pro machine. I forgot about that. In my view, the base MacBook Pro should be a pro chip with at least 16 GB ram with 512/1TB. And at the price of the current base MacBook Pro model. That will move more units.
I stopped buying macbook pros about 10 years back because of their ram and storage bullshit. Thinkpads are about as good hardware wise, and windows cleans up ok. Plus way less bullshit to get games going.
I just hate the notch i don't care (currently on m1) if phones can have cramed space so can the laptop screen or they could've just do what lenovo did have the panel extend a little bit where the camera modules are
Imagine a world where you could buy a Macbook today, and in a couple of years time add more RAM, or swap-out your SSD for more capacity. I know, mindblowing, right???
My 17" MBP 2011 came with 4GB of RAM and a 500GB 7200RPM HDD. In 2014 I upgraded it to 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD. I used it until I bought a 16" MBP 2021. Bought this one with inflated specs as I knew it wouldn't be able to be upgraded. Apple is not the only one soldering everything. Dell Precision workstations now come with soldered RAM. In a few years they'll likely solder the storage too. It's simply too lucrative for them to pass up charging four times the aftermarket cost of RAM and SSD.
@@adriftatlas That's the way it should be my friend. 10 years of usage with incremental user updates. Apple are making fools of us all. They're not one of the biggest companies on the planet for nothing.
All brands won't solder the storage because then companies won't buy their laptops for data retention purposes. There goes a lot of money for those OEMs.
If it is your business and makes you money, then you must spend what you have to. The faster times mean that if you are busy, you can recover the extra cost in no time.
@@andyH_England It is my business but I’m currently exploring windows options seeing as a $5000 MacBook spec can be had for 2000ish in windows laptop land. Won’t be the same battery life but oh well. Might also just do new desktop pc plus maybe a base spec MacBook Air or maybe an energy efficient windows laptop with a better screen than the air. The thing with overpaying more than 2x is that you then hope it to last you 4 years at least but if you only paid 2k in windows you can upgrade again to top spec in 2 years time and still have spent less while being far ahead in performance.
@@definingslawek4731 That is all true. But for many Mac users they prefer macOS so that option is not on the agenda. That is why Macs only has 9% of the market share, and never breach the natural monopoly Windows has, and is why if Apple reduced their prices, the chances are significant that it would have little positive impact on demand but would defiantly impact negatively on revenue and therefore profits. Apple has to charge high and go premium. Otherwise, it would not be worth it, and they would close that business.
Great video! I hav been hearing many great reviews on the M1 Macs from multiple people, and how those machines are still phenomenal! I upgraded from an Intel 2019 15 inch MacBook Pro to the new 16 inch M3 Pro MacBook Pro and I love it! It is a tremendous upgrade! These M Series Macs are amazing!
I upgraded from a M1 Pro 14" to a M3 Max 16" base model. I had a family member who needed a new laptop and used giving them mine as an excuse to buy something new as I wanted to try the larger screen. Day to day use, I notice no real difference from a performance perspective. The only place I see it is in AI image generation or local LLM speed, but those aren't often used for me. The larger screen is nice, but I probably would have been just as happy going to a 15" M3 Air.
Apple has stalled so hard and it's especially evident now that they don't have a new manufacturing node to bail them out seeing those have stalled too lmao.
So out of the things you didn't like, 4 of them were because it was a 14" and not a 16". I did try a 16" but had to return it as it was too heavy (much heavier than my Intel MB Pro 15").
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Apple experienced 30% drop in sales just because M1 family was just soo good! Thats why. You have to see the full picture, not just take out things out of context
I'm also of the opinion that Apple just isn't offering enough value generationally to drive people to upgrade. RAM and SSD uplift pricing that is beyond extortion and CPU / GPU changes that make it pretty apparent that they're trying to squeeze even more gross profit out of each generation leaves little incentive for those already on Apple Silicon to upgrade, even jumping two generations.
Yes, Apple only has a 9-10% market share, so with a high percentage of upgrading to the M1, there will be fewer people to upgrade in subsequent years. It is basic economics when a new product is launched. Apple is using this time to fine-tune their model line-up to prepare it for the future once normal cycles are returned. I am sure people band this 30% around to justify their anti-Apple agenda rather than taking 30 seconds to think of the real reason.
I think this review is a bit misleading: you don’t mention that it 14 inch in the title, and AFAIK speakers are not the same for 14in M1 Pro and M3 pro. Overall, it sounds like you switched from a bicycle to a motorcycle and saying one is superior.
its not mis leading what you said is just irrelevant lol. The speakers don't make any type of difference in performance just the speakers and nobody wasting this type of money on a macbook and gonna be that worried about the speakers lol.
it's funny that we're are so used to companies giving us piecemeal upgrades as a marketing strategy that when they give us too much we're like oh, I actually don't need to buy the new one next year, how weird, something must be wrong.
I recently made the move from the original M1 13“ MBP to the 16“ M3Pro base spec for exactly the same reason: Screen real estate. After working with the original MBP Retina 15.4“ for several years, working on the 13“ felt always „not so harmonious“. that feeling is back with the 16“ and I’m super happy. Performance wise I would be super happy still with the m1, but the size made me change. Would be curious to know how you would feel about the difference between two similarly specked and sized M1Pro and M3Pro machines.
How does it make sense to compare the 14" vs 16" laptop? Most of the issues you complain are due to size. You start the video saying that the main drawback was screen size and that's why you switched back to use the M1
The base 8GB model is for those that want to save money or cannot afford 16GB/512GB. It is better to have that option than not. Even a 16GB/512GB MB AIr M3 is cheaper than many premium Windows ultrabooks, for example, the XPS 14, and sadly for XPS fans, the cheapest with the latest Core Ultra is £1500, compared to the cheapest M3 MB Air of £1100. A more inexpensive option is great for consumers, and you should not complain as you can still buy higher configurations.
@@andyH_England 512gb is also insane. 1tb is a tiny hard drive today. Let alone that you can’t ever change it. Also dell xps is not a good line of laptops.
@@definingslawek4731 That is the issue. Your use is your use, and you are not everyone. I use about 45GB, and both my parents use even less. Would it be highly anti-environment if we had to buy more storage than we need because some people need more?
Great review. SImple, rational, and based on experience. (And you opened my eyes about what to shop for. I was FREAKING out about stupid-spending a stupid-amount of money on a stupidly expensive laptop)
I'm interested in going for my first Macbook and getting an M3 air 15. Mostly for battery life and I will definately be needing Windows as well for my work. But I am interested in some OSX nuances and workflow optimizations, so would absolutely like to see a video on that.
Major issue is that full use of the MAX chip in a 14" device is just not there. I have often said with better cooling, and optimized hardware, the MAX chip could make a fine desktop chip with more potential to push its true performance capabilities.
My M1 has served me well in graduate school where I use it for data analysis and software development. I've never heard the fan come on and honestly feel that I should've gone for the Air. iPad has been an incredible tool as well. No rush to upgrade, especially after seeing this. Likely to just retire my MacBook Pro as a casual personal computer once I graduate
Battery life is yet again the deal breaker right after price. I upgraded the battery on my dad's ThinkPad T16 over Christmas from 53Wh to an 86Wh boosting runtimes over 60% *from 8-11 hours* to *13-18 hours.* Well worth the $60 investment 👌
The T16 is an ultrabook running a U series chip with no dGPU so the MB Pro 14 M3 Max is not a comparable laptop as its performance is many times better.
Max chip in a 14" body - "And that is why you fail". Has been well-publicised since the M1 Pro and Max laptops (MaxTech tests etc) that the 14" Max is warmer, louder, and slower than the 16" Max. Get a Pro chip for the 14", or the Max for the 16". Pretty simple really. For best battery life get the M3 Pro 16". Shiny keycaps - Do you ever clean the keyboard? Because 99% of people never do. I just get an antibacterial wet wipe (Clinell), and lightly wipe the keyboard, trackpad, and surrounding areas, about once every 2 weeks.
The analysis is based on two very different machine design, the 14 and 16 inch chassis. The lack of control in test parameters (chip generation and chassis) will produces an unreliable results. As LTT has pointed out, the 14 chassis heat dissipating capacity is not sufficient for M1 Max. And many media has shown that M3 has an increase power draw and thermo output over M1 generation. It’s very concerning to see comparison of the two device shown in the video and it could mislead consumers. Please address this issue!
Thank you for the review! But I just can't seem to get past macs as very expensive disposable commodities with limited lifespans due to lack of user reparability and user upgradeability. I'll stick with my ThinkPad. Love the channel!! Keep up the good work!
My M1 MB Pro 13 is 3.5 years old and outlasted several, admittedly a while back, Windows laptops. I still have my previous MB Pro 15, which is nearly eight years old. I have had no longevity issues and do not upgrade as I buy what I need when new.
Thank you so much for such a experienced and honest opinion. I was so confused between M3 Air 15" and M1 pro 16". M1 pro used is easily available around GBP1350 in the market. Thank you for helping me decide.
welcome to the club. Even after a few years later, the windows pc side of the space still hasn't fully caught up yet. I'd love to go back at some point in the future.
@@nidalspam509 i have been Windows user since 2006, but Windows Laptops can't keep up with the Macbooks in terms of battery life. That's why i decide to switch. However if the Macbooks still use Intel Processors i would NEVER switch tbh
Sadly until Autodesk gets Revit running on Mac OS I’m in window land. GPU performance needs to continue to improve for BIM/3D modeling programs as well.
Hi, kindly let me know how reliable is the M4 Max for Architecture softwares like 3dsmax, Revit, Lumion and Vray rendering especially using Parallels ?
That price disqualifies this machine from contention as far as I'm concerned. You can build a nice windows desktop AND buy a nice windows laptop for less money.
as good as the 16" is when compared to the 14", most people simply cannot work with the massive size and weight for a laptop. laptop by definition is a tool you take on the go, it's a compromise you use when you are traveling. when you are at home/office, we all have a much more powerful desktop work station/mac studio, so who needs a big and heavy 16" which sucks while traveling, and sucks when you are at home/office?
Software engineer and used to buy the new intel macbook pro at every iteration ... For work I use an M1 pro and haven't purchased another macbook since (and not for the reasons you think)... The aarch64 arch has really delegated most of my work to be done VIA a bastion server as 95% of my targets are still x86 ... plus the lack luster virtualization and painfully slow qemu docker emulation have really just increased my enthusiasm for desktop workstations again.
MacBook Pro 14'', M3 Max 14-core CPU, 36GB, 1TB, 30-core GPU, Space Black, does it enough powerhouse for 8k raw editing with effects, titles etc in Davinci without hickup pls?
why make points comparing 16" advantages to 14". Feels kinda disingenuous and nit picky when getting the 16" M3 would basically make the newer gen completely superior in a fair review
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Back on my MacBook Pro with Retina display (from 2012) I dont have any problems with shiny keyboard. I think Apple removed a lot of coating on the keycaps. It is definitely much easier to smudge the keyboard and trackpad compared to how it was 10 years ago. Dont like it a bit
For all the people writing upgrades to Ram and SSDs should cost less, yes they should. BUT, Apple solders their RAM and SSDs to the Motherboard, so what you're buying isn't someone dropping in one RAM stick or screwing in an SSD but a different motherboard. They could probably design it cheaper and easier to repair but we're talking about Apple!
Funny enough for me: I traded in my personal 14in M1 Pro for the 14in M3 Pro and have better battery life on the new laptop. But I also traded in my work 16in M1 Pro for a 14in M1 Pro for the portability.
I can’t wait until Apple finally releases metal key caps, why isn’t that a thing yet? It would finally put a stop to the polishing effect that fingers have on plastic over time
Performance looks stunning, but the price and cost to get the higher specs is just outright absurd. Nobody in their right mind would pay for egregious prices like that
What a fantastic video. Thank you! TH-cam is my main media consumption and your entire setup is stellar, tone, vocabulary, personality and details. Subbed. Good vibes my guy.
Also discouraging people from updating on their work laptops will for sure make for a security nightmare. If it's a laptop provided by your company, keep it updated. ALWAYS
This review is unreasonably comparing a 14-inch model with a 16-inch model, and gives credit to the old 16-inch. The comparison should have been between the old and the new 16-inch models.
TLDR: he's switching back because of the small screen and the battery life which is (OFCOURSE) shorter on the smaller model. At the end of the day, the moral of the story is - it doesn't matter how fast the chip is. If you can't see shit and a charger is always there because your battery lasts 4 hours - it doesn't matter it exports a video 2 minutes faster.
Maybe they should offer reasonable memory and storage base specs and upgrade prices, might help them sell more laptops
Agreed. $500 for a 1TB SSD in 2024 is a joke.
exactly, Apple is just insanely priced. To the point where I figured hey I can make a small form factor PC build with great cooling, 64GB and an 13600k for 1250 or buy a M3 pro macbook for 3500 and get less for way more... hmm.
@@wyntje83 price comparison of a tower to a laptop is a bit odd. 64GB and for instance a 4090 in a non cheap plastik Windows Laptop is also way over 2k
@@Heimdall-hb5iti completely agree... Maybe comparing it up a surface laptop or XPS maybe... But of course you can build a desktop for less... But building one better than an M series Mac mini at the price point that is as powerful would be a more accurate comparison and quite the feat
Apple makes their money off hardware unlike android or some other makers who undercut the device cost and then sell your data or include bloatware. Memory upgrades are expensive but I'll happily pay as their hardware lasts for years. I speak from experience and as someone who switched from Windows to mac. Some software things confuse me but overall I would have a hard time going back to a PC. Build quality, battery life, and day to day usability are amazing.
0:32 I hope Apple lowers the stupidly excessive money they charge for RAM and Storage upgrades so that people will actually find some meaning to buy a laptop that can never be upgraded
LOL,
They'll reduce the price of each incremental upgrade by 20% in the M4 generation if sales stay weak and everyone will praise them for it, even though the bulk cost per GB of DRAM and NAND flash has already dropped by more than 60% since M1 and likely more like 70% by the time M4 is released.
Also by today's standards, 1.6k dollars base model should give you at least 16GB RAM and 1TB storage. 8GB of RAM is a big no for a "pro" machine
@@sihamhamda47 Dell's Alienware a don't do that for the price. Alot of high end PC's are expensive as well.
You all seem to be missing the point about why Apple's RAM and SSD are worth the cost (and I'm saying this as a Windows user). From what I understand, Apple custom designs their RAM and SSD to work specifically with their chips and hardware, so a lot of production costs go into that. My dad works in the design sector for companies like Apple and Microsoft, so I have some insider knowledge on this. Meanwhile, with Windows, there are tons of brands competing, so they can just slap in off-the-shelf NVMe SSDs and call it a day. But even with that said, I'll admit Apple's pricing is still crazy expensive.
@@abhidatta_b9227 no dude, that's the marketing... They don't design RAM or solid state storage. They buy the same RAM chips for their MacBooks from Micron or Samsung to solder directly to their motherboard that Corsair buys to solder directly onto a DIMM. There are tons of other non-Apple laptops that also solder the same RAM chips to their motherboards as well. Apple buys the same DRAM chips, doesn't have the added cost of DIMMs and can technically run the memory speed a bit higher soldered closer to the CPU than when using the same DRAM on a DIMM/SODIMM slot, but with their buying power and not needing additional boards and RAM slots, it costs Apple much less per GB for RAM than Dell or ASUS would have to pay using SODIMM at the same capacity, like at least 30% less or more given their buying power.
There is a difference with SSD, but it's not what you think. Apple uses the exact same NAND flash chips that your NVMe SSD manufacturers use. The big difference with Apple is that they brought the SSD controller into their Silicon, where as a NVMe or 2.5" SSD will have the controller on the M.2/drive itself. Since Apple is buying the same NAND storage chips as everyone else at quantifies/economies of scale unmatched by anyone else, not only are they paying less per GB for the raw NAND chip capacity, they don't have to pay for a separate controller for every "drive" as an SSD OEM does, no additional board required like an M.2 NVMe, no additional M.2 slot cost to solder to the main board. Apple can sneak more performance out of each same chip due to the proximity and connection to the controller/CPU/DRAM. So while Apple does gain some minor performance benefits from using soldered NAND chips instead of M.2 SSD's with those same chips (max maybe 10%), their cost per GB of usable storage in a laptop or mobile device is probably 30%+ less than someone like Dell's would be for the same capacity in their laptops if using an M.2 NVMe SSD.
So yes, there are some technical benefits that Apple gets, but the biggest two benefits from them using soldered RAM and NAND SSD's is significantly lower cost (enormous profit margins) and lack of upgradability which not only drives more frequent upgrades, but creates obvious segmentation that naturally pushes buyers outside of their base models and into higher spec models that they make even higher gross profit % per unit on due to their massive markups.
You need to realize that a company like Dell, ASUS or HP is probably making a about 15-20% gross margin if their lucky on their premium laptops. Apple also pays way less for distribution and retailers. That doesn't sound that bad, but when you realize that results in a Dell or HP making $300 gross profit on a laptop that sells for $1500, and Apple making $1400 in gross profit on similar or lesser capacity MacBook they sell for $2000, it's pretty disgusting.
I the rest of electronics industry, manufacturing and selling something for $13 that cost them $10 is seen as successful, but Apple feels entitled to charge their customers at a minimum of least double what their costs were on a given product, in some cases triple, which is why they are one of the most profitable companies in human history. Tesla was doing the exact same thing until they exhausted the market of idiots willing to pay double what a conventional higher quality ICE vehicle sells for with less range, 1% the filling stations, and when competition finally arrived and they had to fight for sales, Tesla cut the price of their Model S Plaid from nearly $138,000 to $91,000. They are absolutely still making extremely healthy profit per unit, but they cut the price by $44,000, and that's often roughly the figure estimated for Tesla's cost of producing that vehicle. What Tesla is experiencing is exactly why Apple does what they do. This shit is out of control, and consumers treat these brands like cults and not only allow the behavior, they reinforce it by rewarding them by continuing to buy, by being frighteningly loyal and s1mping for%defending these brand ls publicly.
The battery life comparison is weird. You're comparing your 16" model with a bigger battery and M2 Pro chip against the 14" model with a smaller battery and the most power hungry M3 chip. Other reviews have shown that the M3 Pro is more efficient than the M2 Pro.
I think it's more of a real-world decision than a proper apples-to-apples comparison. He has laptop X which has great battery life, which is really important to him. He was offered laptop Y which has worse battery life, therefore it's a downgrade in real terms.
The funny part is that if he put it into low power mode it run equal to or better than the M2 Max withe half the power draw. So if he only cared about battery and thermal performance, problem solved
I agree he's comparing two different laptop. He sld compare 16' vs 16'
Still using the MacBook Pro 14 with M2 Max, can't imagine I'd have any reason to upgrade for years!
Something shiny with some new feature will come out, and you'll upgrade.
@@rickenbacker472 Doubt. Not for years when performance uplift is worth it.
@@JarrodsTech You might be right. I struggle with Gear Acquision Syndrome and FOMO myself. My guess is that Apple will add some new OS features that need some new AI hardware not found in the current models, or some other hardware refresh that will make us all run out and upgrade. They're very good at selling us their latest & greatest. Let's give it a couple of yesrs and see!
Looking for an M2 max now over M3 max just much better value for not much less performance
@@miked5444depends on your use case
Woah! 4k 10-minute video rendered in under 2 minutes seems crazy when factoring in older laptop performances. It used to take between 30 to 60 minutes.
you know what's crazy? a m1 max would have the same export time as the m3 max, as the media-engines are the exact same ones, but max versions have double the encoders/decoders in comparison to the pro versions. Unless you're using gpu effects really heavily in your videos it's gonna be the exact same for m1/m2/m3 max for exporting video
My M1 Max does it in almost the same time.
Just bought the 13” MacBook Pro M2 24GB/1TB because Best Buy has it on sale brand new for only $1,299!! There’s no way I was going to let this price to specs pass up.
People say 13” is too small but I tell them if I ever need more space, I’ll just connect to my desk monitor.
Wow that’s actually such a deal, wish I could get a price like that in Europe.
Yeah 13/4 inch isn’t too small. Both 16 and 14 inch displays are far too small to be working on all day. At home or at the office you should have a big display, my one is 42 inches.
The built in display is for the couch and for travelling.
that's too good to be a deal
I have always used the smaller ones. I like them. They are lighter and easier to use for my purposes. Good for you! I am looking for a good deal on one now.
@@OrbisonTributeArtist I glad I stuck with this model because I can easily run parallels for windows OS. But I had the speakers are not loud lol
Wouldn't it make more sense to compare the M3 16" to the M1 16" ?
that would be fare
Yeah doesn't make sense to compare the size when both come with 16 inch models.
Yeah, there are a lot of differences between the 14 and the 16. Speakers, track pad, battery, screen size(duh) but also thermals, noise and therefore speed.
Also fun to call out is that a 16" model can draw 15-20W more power for extra performance. No-one seems to be talking about that ever. Simply because it has the better thermal solution to get rid of the resulting heat.
16” is just better…battery life, screen, sustained performance, speakers, but why didn’t you compare yours to a 16” M3 Max?
yes, this is a weird video, especially the battery life and thermal comparison
Agreed. It's like he compared a compact car to a super car, of course one would be efficient and easy to drive inside the city.
I think the 14” chassis can better handle the thermal load of the M3 Pro chip. If you want the Max, the 16” is pretty much required to be able to cool it. What you have there is not a great configuration, and leads to high fan noise and lower battery life.
Apple should just lower their RAM and SSD prices if they want to sell more.
You all seem to be missing the point about why Apple's RAM and SSD are worth the cost (and I'm saying this as a Windows user). From what I understand, Apple custom designs their RAM and SSD to work specifically with their chips and hardware, so a lot of production costs go into that. My dad works in the design sector for companies like Apple and Microsoft, so I have some insider knowledge on this. Meanwhile, with Windows, there are tons of brands competing, so they can just slap in off-the-shelf NVMe SSDs and call it a day. But even with that said, I'll admit Apple's pricing is still crazy expensive.
@@abhidatta_b9227 dude the ram upgrade (+8gb) is 200$. No fucking way you can justify that. It's not even faster than most ram in the aftermarket
@@megatronusv2215And Microsoft's ARM Surface Pro 9 still has removable SSDs. Apple does it to fuck over consumers.
@@abhidatta_b9227yeah no, that's marketing. Apples ssd especially is actually much lower performance than most ssds you can buy in all aspects except sequential transfers (= still not better). These basically don't matter in the real world but guess What? They give the highest numbers so they're great for marketing and that's the one metric apples ssds manage to keep up with, wonder why?
The ram.on the other hand is literally just the exact same as what other manufacturers use when soldering it which is just the slower low power ram
People really underestimate how much USD 7,000 is. You said it, it can buy you a car. Where I am staying, I can buy a relatively new car that went 5,000km with that money. It's bonkers
ppl also really underestimate how high inflations are these days... dollar feels like yen
Or use it towards a property.
@@futureswheel-082artificial inflation and over selling
Where is it?
$7000 can get you AMD Threadripper RTX 4090 PC
“The keyboards aren’t the best, but they do get the job done.” Thank you for actually telling the truth about Mac keyboards and not pretending they’re amazing like most reviewers do.
Yeah, really wobby keyboard. I did return my M3 Max cause: display issue (blue at up and pink at bottom tint spots, which kinda not all people see, also backlight issues on display borders), absolutely stupid keyboard - you kinda put fingers in something viscous, this is how I feel it, M3 Max even in 16 inches case is HOT chip, non-legs friendly in any sense.
There were so many weird things about the M3 that I decided to hold off until the M4 at least. The Performance vs Efficiency mix, the weird power consumption, but then the GPU architecture advancements do seem quite nice. The M1 being silent was such a huge feature, hope they can get back to that. (they really hold back sales with their insane RAM/SSD mark ups, and it hurts their brand loyalty, it makes EVERYONE upset and it is obviously just greed on Apple's part)
The markup prices are definitely killing their sales. If they just started selling their base model with 16 gb ram, I would buy it without a second thought. But right now I have to shell out extra 200 dollars which is insane.
I'm actually finding that my older 2020 M1 Macbook still holds up perfectly well for on-the-go use. I never expected it to be as fast as my 4090 / 7950 x3d system. I have totally different expectations for a portable vs a desktop system. And while I'd never buy a Mac for desktop use, I'll only go Apple for a laptop. "The right tool for the right job" as the saying goes.
It is version one of 3nm, so it will likely be rough around the edges.
well brother some people like me dont have multiple systems. I need something to cover everything and at this point in life and the way things are with tech i believe we need 16Gb of ram for sure. But a friend of mine in the same position as you has no problem with the M1 mac and truth is it can do anything than work better than pretty much anything. He does Work on a pc though@@dtsdigitalden5023
One thing I am consider about is their support for AV1 codec, they only support the encoder but not the decoder, which is a bit strange, but in the meantime, nowadays the camera companies have not support 10bit av1 codec video, so I guess for now it doesn't matter, but at least for now the Lightroom export avif files will be very slow no matter which apple silicon.
I actually went from a 16 M1 Max to a 14 M3 Pro MBP. For me portability was the driver. Actually have yet to regret the decision. Battery is actually pretty crazy on the 14 M3 Pro.
This has got to be THE WORST comparison video I’ve ever seen from a tech TH-cam channel. Comparing the the mid-tier M1 Pro in the 16-inch chassis with the top-end M3 Max in a 14-inch chassis is like saying you prefer a 4-year old Range Rover Sport over your brand new Aston Martin DB12 because it’s got a more seats and cargo space 🤦♀️
Different strokes for different folks. A family man would prefer a 7 seater car to a 2 seater lambo.
One mistake on the comparison , the M3 pro memory bandwidth is 150 , while M3 max is from 300 to 400 .
Had mine for about 4 months now… its amazing
calling a four months use --long term-- is a bit out of touch
He meant as a long term user of the M1 Mac book not the M3
I think he saying long term user as in a long term Mac user
Bro they just came out lol, what is he supposed to do
So Apple is to start hitting the thermal ceiling like they did with intel within 3 generations, that was fast :)
I upgraded from a 2020 base MacBook Pro with an M1 to the M3 Max 14 inch - couldn’t be happier. The CPU outperforms my 13900K desktop, and the GPU even knocks my cousin’s 4080 laptop in productivity. All of this while the fans stay completely silent in office work, and put almost every windows laptop to shame in battery life… and maybe even performance because as I said, the M3 Max is a beast!
To be honest, this review was uninformative. For most of it, it compared the form factor differences rather than chipset. Why didn’t you all review the 16 M1 vs 16 M3?
To be honest, I don’t know who is the target consumer for a top tier 14 M3 Max. Would they just get the 16 anyways?
Getting a 14" Max is a waste as it really needs the thermal headroom and extra battery capacity of the 16". Much more cost effective to get a 14" Pro or 16" Max.
@@adriftatlasThe M3 Pro is limited to 2 external displays. I would need the M3 Max because I use 3 external displays. Yes, I do use them. No, I don't use a Mac.
If Apple offered 16 GB RAM and 512 GB/1TB storage as the base model, they’d sell a lot more units. The base model is ridiculous and borderline criminal in 2024 for a machine that is not easily user-upgradable (you can solder on more storage later on, but most people can’t or won’t do that).
I prefer the 14” size… the 16” is too bulky for me even though it has more real estate, better speakers, better battery life, better thermal performance.
Also, you say you don’t update macOS but I would recommend against that practice as Apple regularly patches zero day security vulnerabilities, many of which have been exploited in the wild. So by remaining on the older version of the OS, you’re actually unwittingly incurring a security risk by doing so.
The M3 Pro and M3 Max start at 18GB/512GB! Only the base M3 starts at 8GB, and that is ultimately a souped-up ultrabook, not for Pro work per se. If you are doing "pro" work then do not buy the base M3, get either the M3 Pro or M3 Max chip.
@@andyH_England 18gb of ram is way too little for a 2000 dollar machine in 2024. Student laptops had that 7 years ago. I tried to run my creative workflows on a base m3 pro but just couldn’t. It’s so ram starved. 32 is the minimum for any non web browsing workflow today. Obviously you can get by with less but it’s tough to be spending thousands of pounds and be struggling with a ram starved system.
@@definingslawek4731 I agree that you can never have too much RAM, and 32GB is the sweet spot for pro users. However, 18GB of MB Pro 14/16 M3 Pro is fine for part-time or semi-pro users. Top pro users will buy the M3 Max, which starts at 36GB, more than many Windows pro machines, and you can go up to 128GB! Apple is covering all buyers. As for the price, Apple is premium, and you cannot expect it to compete with ACER and other cheaper Windows machines. Apple has been expensive for 20 years, and people are making the same complaints about prices, despite knowing this, is borderline excessive behaviour. A Merc has always been more expensive than a Ford, but we do not see the same complaints every release saying that Mercs are expensive!
@@andyH_Englandthe price of those pro/max machines aren’t the base price tho. This is the first year/model that Apple is including the base m-series chip in the pro machine. I forgot about that.
In my view, the base MacBook Pro should be a pro chip with at least 16 GB ram with 512/1TB. And at the price of the current base MacBook Pro model. That will move more units.
I stopped buying macbook pros about 10 years back because of their ram and storage bullshit. Thinkpads are about as good hardware wise, and windows cleans up ok. Plus way less bullshit to get games going.
I just hate the notch i don't care (currently on m1) if phones can have cramed space so can the laptop screen or they could've just do what lenovo did have the panel extend a little bit where the camera modules are
Imagine a world where you could buy a Macbook today, and in a couple of years time add more RAM, or swap-out your SSD for more capacity. I know, mindblowing, right???
My 17" MBP 2011 came with 4GB of RAM and a 500GB 7200RPM HDD. In 2014 I upgraded it to 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD. I used it until I bought a 16" MBP 2021. Bought this one with inflated specs as I knew it wouldn't be able to be upgraded.
Apple is not the only one soldering everything. Dell Precision workstations now come with soldered RAM. In a few years they'll likely solder the storage too. It's simply too lucrative for them to pass up charging four times the aftermarket cost of RAM and SSD.
@@adriftatlas That's the way it should be my friend. 10 years of usage with incremental user updates. Apple are making fools of us all. They're not one of the biggest companies on the planet for nothing.
All brands won't solder the storage because then companies won't buy their laptops for data retention purposes. There goes a lot of money for those OEMs.
@@cameronbosch1213 As if there aren't numerous tools that can fully erase data.....
@@MichaelGGarry that will wear out the SSD.
The only problem is a decent storage/ram spec costs 5 grand and a minimum viable one for creative tasks is 3000.
If it is your business and makes you money, then you must spend what you have to. The faster times mean that if you are busy, you can recover the extra cost in no time.
@@andyH_England It is my business but I’m currently exploring windows options seeing as a $5000 MacBook spec can be had for 2000ish in windows laptop land. Won’t be the same battery life but oh well.
Might also just do new desktop pc plus maybe a base spec MacBook Air or maybe an energy efficient windows laptop with a better screen than the air.
The thing with overpaying more than 2x is that you then hope it to last you 4 years at least but if you only paid 2k in windows you can upgrade again to top spec in 2 years time and still have spent less while being far ahead in performance.
@@definingslawek4731 That is all true. But for many Mac users they prefer macOS so that option is not on the agenda. That is why Macs only has 9% of the market share, and never breach the natural monopoly Windows has, and is why if Apple reduced their prices, the chances are significant that it would have little positive impact on demand but would defiantly impact negatively on revenue and therefore profits. Apple has to charge high and go premium. Otherwise, it would not be worth it, and they would close that business.
Great video! I hav been hearing many great reviews on the M1 Macs from multiple people, and how those machines are still phenomenal! I upgraded from an Intel 2019 15 inch MacBook Pro to the new 16 inch M3 Pro MacBook Pro and I love it! It is a tremendous upgrade! These M Series Macs are amazing!
I upgraded from a M1 Pro 14" to a M3 Max 16" base model. I had a family member who needed a new laptop and used giving them mine as an excuse to buy something new as I wanted to try the larger screen. Day to day use, I notice no real difference from a performance perspective. The only place I see it is in AI image generation or local LLM speed, but those aren't often used for me. The larger screen is nice, but I probably would have been just as happy going to a 15" M3 Air.
Apple has stalled so hard and it's especially evident now that they don't have a new manufacturing node to bail them out seeing those have stalled too lmao.
So out of the things you didn't like, 4 of them were because it was a 14" and not a 16". I did try a 16" but had to return it as it was too heavy (much heavier than my Intel MB Pro 15").
Apple experienced 30% drop in sales just because M1 family was just soo good! Thats why. You have to see the full picture, not just take out things out of context
facts
I'm also of the opinion that Apple just isn't offering enough value generationally to drive people to upgrade. RAM and SSD uplift pricing that is beyond extortion and CPU / GPU changes that make it pretty apparent that they're trying to squeeze even more gross profit out of each generation leaves little incentive for those already on Apple Silicon to upgrade, even jumping two generations.
This is what he says ten seconds after?
He says that seconds later.
Yes, Apple only has a 9-10% market share, so with a high percentage of upgrading to the M1, there will be fewer people to upgrade in subsequent years. It is basic economics when a new product is launched. Apple is using this time to fine-tune their model line-up to prepare it for the future once normal cycles are returned. I am sure people band this 30% around to justify their anti-Apple agenda rather than taking 30 seconds to think of the real reason.
I think this review is a bit misleading: you don’t mention that it 14 inch in the title, and AFAIK speakers are not the same for 14in M1 Pro and M3 pro.
Overall, it sounds like you switched from a bicycle to a motorcycle and saying one is superior.
Still doesn't make sense to bring up the size comparison in the review regardless. What are we expecting here going to a smaller size? More spacious 🤣
its not mis leading what you said is just irrelevant lol. The speakers don't make any type of difference in performance just the speakers and nobody wasting this type of money on a macbook and gonna be that worried about the speakers lol.
@@alvinamana1459 not wasting, but rather investing. 13 air M2 is just brilliant!
You clearly didn't watch the entire video / weren't paying attention. He points that out. Useless comment.
The pandemic and new generation boosted sales. I expected it to cool.
it's funny that we're are so used to companies giving us piecemeal upgrades as a marketing strategy that when they give us too much we're like oh, I actually don't need to buy the new one next year, how weird, something must be wrong.
I recently made the move from the original M1 13“ MBP to the 16“ M3Pro base spec for exactly the same reason: Screen real estate.
After working with the original MBP Retina 15.4“ for several years, working on the 13“ felt always „not so harmonious“. that feeling is back with the 16“ and I’m super happy.
Performance wise I would be super happy still with the m1, but the size made me change.
Would be curious to know how you would feel about the difference between two similarly specked and sized M1Pro and M3Pro machines.
How does it make sense to compare the 14" vs 16" laptop? Most of the issues you complain are due to size. You start the video saying that the main drawback was screen size and that's why you switched back to use the M1
10:35 is that a jailbroken 15 pro or did Apple add options to change the home screen layout without me noticing ?
I have a similar set up, i use a clear widget. It just fills in the space where apps go with the background.
8gb shared ram is insane lol
The base 8GB model is for those that want to save money or cannot afford 16GB/512GB. It is better to have that option than not. Even a 16GB/512GB MB AIr M3 is cheaper than many premium Windows ultrabooks, for example, the XPS 14, and sadly for XPS fans, the cheapest with the latest Core Ultra is £1500, compared to the cheapest M3 MB Air of £1100. A more inexpensive option is great for consumers, and you should not complain as you can still buy higher configurations.
@@andyH_England 8gb should not be an option in 2024, phones have more ram. Ram is so cheap they should put 16gb as the minimum
@@andyH_England 512gb is also insane. 1tb is a tiny hard drive today. Let alone that you can’t ever change it. Also dell xps is not a good line of laptops.
@@definingslawek4731 That is the issue. Your use is your use, and you are not everyone. I use about 45GB, and both my parents use even less. Would it be highly anti-environment if we had to buy more storage than we need because some people need more?
@@definingslawek4731why do you think Dell xps isn't great?
Great review. SImple, rational, and based on experience. (And you opened my eyes about what to shop for. I was FREAKING out about stupid-spending a stupid-amount of money on a stupidly expensive laptop)
I'm interested in going for my first Macbook and getting an M3 air 15. Mostly for battery life and I will definately be needing Windows as well for my work. But I am interested in some OSX nuances and workflow optimizations, so would absolutely like to see a video on that.
Apple's mission is powered by greed.
That is the primary aim of all businesses as they work for their shareholders, who demand better and better returns on capital.
My 14” M1 MBP has been good enough that I will likely wait until the M5 before upgrading.
Great insights. 👍🏻
It is not an "investment" its a depreciating asset, it will lose its value in half in just two years.
Major issue is that full use of the MAX chip in a 14" device is just not there. I have often said with better cooling, and optimized hardware, the MAX chip could make a fine desktop chip with more potential to push its true performance capabilities.
My M1 has served me well in graduate school where I use it for data analysis and software development. I've never heard the fan come on and honestly feel that I should've gone for the Air. iPad has been an incredible tool as well. No rush to upgrade, especially after seeing this. Likely to just retire my MacBook Pro as a casual personal computer once I graduate
your production is just top notch
Still using my 15" 2015 Pro models, these machines are built for decades
I just have 1 question. If you could only choose 1 color , would you go SPACE BLACK or SILVER …
Battery life is yet again the deal breaker right after price. I upgraded the battery on my dad's ThinkPad T16 over Christmas from 53Wh to an 86Wh boosting runtimes over 60% *from 8-11 hours* to *13-18 hours.*
Well worth the $60 investment 👌
The T16 is an ultrabook running a U series chip with no dGPU so the MB Pro 14 M3 Max is not a comparable laptop as its performance is many times better.
Max chip in a 14" body - "And that is why you fail". Has been well-publicised since the M1 Pro and Max laptops (MaxTech tests etc) that the 14" Max is warmer, louder, and slower than the 16" Max. Get a Pro chip for the 14", or the Max for the 16". Pretty simple really. For best battery life get the M3 Pro 16". Shiny keycaps - Do you ever clean the keyboard? Because 99% of people never do. I just get an antibacterial wet wipe (Clinell), and lightly wipe the keyboard, trackpad, and surrounding areas, about once every 2 weeks.
fun fact: keyboards usually have more bacteria on them than a toilet seat
16" is for me desktop replacement .No exactly portal.
But both consume battery much faster than MBA.
The analysis is based on two very different machine design, the 14 and 16 inch chassis. The lack of control in test parameters (chip generation and chassis) will produces an unreliable results. As LTT has pointed out, the 14 chassis heat dissipating capacity is not sufficient for M1 Max. And many media has shown that M3 has an increase power draw and thermo output over M1 generation. It’s very concerning to see comparison of the two device shown in the video and it could mislead consumers.
Please address this issue!
I agree about not compromising on screen size. It was expensive but I got the 16-inch 64 GB M3 Max to get the best of both worlds
Are you sure your Mac was that much? My M3 Max 1TB SSD 16 inch was about $3400 USD
His was the maxed out version.
Thank you for the review! But I just can't seem to get past macs as very expensive disposable commodities with limited lifespans due to lack of user reparability and user upgradeability. I'll stick with my ThinkPad. Love the channel!! Keep up the good work!
My M1 MB Pro 13 is 3.5 years old and outlasted several, admittedly a while back, Windows laptops. I still have my previous MB Pro 15, which is nearly eight years old. I have had no longevity issues and do not upgrade as I buy what I need when new.
Apple sheep will be in a demolition man museum one day
Look forward to that hilarious spectacle
Thank you so much for such a experienced and honest opinion. I was so confused between M3 Air 15" and M1 pro 16". M1 pro used is easily available around GBP1350 in the market. Thank you for helping me decide.
wish i saw this before i spent 3k on a 14' m3
i guess you would have bought this machine instead yours 😀
Thanks for the review but I'm tired of hearing praise for a company that constantly applies unfair practices towards its customers
Please create a video about m3 max alone, without comparing it to m1 since I am a first time macbook user
Switching to M3 Max from Intel Core i9. It is magical. Even when it is under heavy use, it is not as hot as Intel chips. That is so good for me.
i just bought the m1 pro macbook pro 16 . the battery life is INSANE !
welcome to the club. Even after a few years later, the windows pc side of the space still hasn't fully caught up yet. I'd love to go back at some point in the future.
@@nidalspam509 i have been Windows user since 2006, but Windows Laptops can't keep up with the Macbooks in terms of battery life. That's why i decide to switch. However if the Macbooks still use Intel Processors i would NEVER switch tbh
Sadly until Autodesk gets Revit running on Mac OS I’m in window land.
GPU performance needs to continue to improve for BIM/3D modeling programs as well.
i'm in the market to replace my old PC, was considering MAC but passed it due to upgrade availability
8:37 they are probably made out of ABS Plastic. ABS naturally shines over time wich is normal and cant really be avoided.
Hi, kindly let me know how reliable is the M4 Max for Architecture softwares like 3dsmax, Revit, Lumion and Vray rendering especially using Parallels ?
That price disqualifies this machine from contention as far as I'm concerned. You can build a nice windows desktop AND buy a nice windows laptop for less money.
That is of course if the user wants to use Windows!
as good as the 16" is when compared to the 14", most people simply cannot work with the massive size and weight for a laptop. laptop by definition is a tool you take on the go, it's a compromise you use when you are traveling. when you are at home/office, we all have a much more powerful desktop work station/mac studio, so who needs a big and heavy 16" which sucks while traveling, and sucks when you are at home/office?
very informative video thanks
Well 7k laptop build quality is hard to archive with for a 3k one
The build quality of all Mac pro’s is essentially the same
I have a M1 Pro 16" I got on release day and just can't find a reason to upgrade. I agree, it was almost too good!
Is Microsoft surface laptop a good laptop for high school students?
No. Don't make the mistake I did. Get a Mac, don't care what all those Mac haters say.
Nope not at that price
Software engineer and used to buy the new intel macbook pro at every iteration ... For work I use an M1 pro and haven't purchased another macbook since (and not for the reasons you think)... The aarch64 arch has really delegated most of my work to be done VIA a bastion server as 95% of my targets are still x86 ... plus the lack luster virtualization and painfully slow qemu docker emulation have really just increased my enthusiasm for desktop workstations again.
2:20 If the screen is too small for you, why can't you hide the dock?
I always hide the dock to reclaim that vertical space.
MacBook Pro 14'', M3 Max 14-core CPU, 36GB, 1TB, 30-core GPU, Space Black, does it enough powerhouse for 8k raw editing with effects, titles etc in Davinci without hickup pls?
why make points comparing 16" advantages to 14". Feels kinda disingenuous and nit picky when getting the 16" M3 would basically make the newer gen completely superior in a fair review
Back on my MacBook Pro with Retina display (from 2012) I dont have any problems with shiny keyboard. I think Apple removed a lot of coating on the keycaps. It is definitely much easier to smudge the keyboard and trackpad compared to how it was 10 years ago. Dont like it a bit
Great review!
More "PC" channels run by MAC users.
For all the people writing upgrades to Ram and SSDs should cost less, yes they should. BUT, Apple solders their RAM and SSDs to the Motherboard, so what you're buying isn't someone dropping in one RAM stick or screwing in an SSD but a different motherboard. They could probably design it cheaper and easier to repair but we're talking about Apple!
Funny enough for me: I traded in my personal 14in M1 Pro for the 14in M3 Pro and have better battery life on the new laptop. But I also traded in my work 16in M1 Pro for a 14in M1 Pro for the portability.
I can’t wait until Apple finally releases metal key caps, why isn’t that a thing yet? It would finally put a stop to the polishing effect that fingers have on plastic over time
Performance looks stunning, but the price and cost to get the higher specs is just outright absurd. Nobody in their right mind would pay for egregious prices like that
16 inch is the one to go. anything smaller is too small.
4 months isn't long-term. It's just enough time to give a solid initial review.
If they make 16gb memory or 32 gb cheaper I will buy not 1 but maybe even 2 or recommend it to my dept of 5000+ people
What a fantastic video. Thank you! TH-cam is my main media consumption and your entire setup is stellar, tone, vocabulary, personality and details.
Subbed. Good vibes my guy.
updating the screen refresh rate is so unnecessary lmao. completely disagree
Also discouraging people from updating on their work laptops will for sure make for a security nightmare. If it's a laptop provided by your company, keep it updated. ALWAYS
@@nitrobearthen make that an option enforceable by MDM, not required for any user of the OS
To you.
M3 max is available in 16 inch as well
Once your ssd goes your mac becomes a brick it will not boot even from external drives.
.apple made it that way so you buy a new machine
This review is unreasonably comparing a 14-inch model with a 16-inch model, and gives credit to the old 16-inch. The comparison should have been between the old and the new 16-inch models.
I’m a 2012 MBP user…thinking of upgrading to the 16 inch..would u please advice on which one i should get? M1 max, M2 Pro/max or the M3…..
TLDR: he's switching back because of the small screen and the battery life which is (OFCOURSE) shorter on the smaller model. At the end of the day, the moral of the story is - it doesn't matter how fast the chip is. If you can't see shit and a charger is always there because your battery lasts 4 hours - it doesn't matter it exports a video 2 minutes faster.
And don't forget the current hardware bugs in M series CPU that are unfixable.
Please do a MacOS vs WIndows video for 2024
The 14c M3 Max is the best processor for the 14" MacBook Pro. Going for the higher Max doesn't make sense because of the body can't take the heat.
It's crazy to think how far ahead of time the M1 chips were. Eber, you may want to include the link to the wallpapers under your videos hah
I also think it should support all windows games and application
yea ok but you cant find M1 or M2 anymore on most shops :) so you are kinda forced to buy an M3 if you want a new laptop and not an used one.