@@Александр-з2р6щ so despite lesser cost of manufacturing the touch buttons... I have to pay more for the actual car?! How does that make any sense if everything is downsized and cost-cut?
They posted elsewhere that the buttons are actually buttons - they're just a single unit with some digital tech behind it (lights, haptics), so they're not the VW-style touch ones.
I could like the panoramic view but they killed the iDrive button. I don't like reaching for touch screen controls and getting finger prints on the display if I don't have to... Also the panoramic view is a very french way to make a car, and does not look good, there is no design just a screen and that steering wheel is stupid and very ugly, has way too many buttons, capacitive buttons it looks like. The Neue Klasse also looks like a Peugeot / BMW 2002-ish car. Looks horrible, I have no hopes for the G50 3-series. The french can't make cars BMW, you can so why do this shit?
No one is asking for this… Seriously the controls for the heated seats should be BUTTONS! not an even smaller touchpoint on a screen! BMW needs to listen to its customers!
I would be OK with touch buttons if I could see on the windshield what exactly I am touching right now, so I can quickly swipe across all touch areas and choose the right option with a double tap without breaking my attention from the road ahead. Eyes on the road in the sports cars are necessary even if I want to change the temperature!
Screens are cheaper to manufacture than buttons but they can sell the screen as a "premium" feature. Lower expenses, higher profits. That's all you need to know. They know we want buttons for key features, like climate, seat heaters, audio, etc... But they don't care.
@@jh5kl Yes, the shift from physical buttons to screens in automobiles is largely driven by cost considerations, among other factors. Here’s an overview of why this is happening: Cost of Production Economies of Scale with Screens: Screens, particularly touchscreen displays, are now mass-produced at scale, reducing their per-unit cost. Manufacturers can use the same screen design across multiple vehicle models, cutting costs further. Physical buttons require individual design, manufacturing, assembly, and wiring for each button or control, which can be more labor-intensive and expensive compared to integrating everything into a single screen. Simplified Assembly: A touchscreen reduces the complexity of a car's interior assembly. With fewer physical components, automakers save on production time and labor costs. Software Flexibility: Screens allow for software-based updates and changes, eliminating the need to retool physical parts for different functions or upgrades. This adaptability is a cost-saving advantage over the lifecycle of a car model.
That is SO true! I had that problem driving the BMW IX. The heads-up display cannot be seen when wearing polarized sunglasses. The BMW design team needs to address that. Otherwise, they are requiring us to drive blind, which is dangerous. It simply has to be said: Physical buttons and round steering wheels have WORKED for a century-plus. These wacky shaped steering wheels and non-physical buttons have all been 100% failures, across the board. Who are they trying to fool? We drivers know in an instant that these new things are worse than what we've all had our whole lives. This is NOT how you make customers stick with you. It is how you drive them away.
@@TheJoanRuth YES, it works with polarized sunglasses, it's a different display tech from regular HUD. The steering wheel now will have haptic feedback buttons (just like MacBook touchpads) which are indistinguishable in use from physical buttons but can "disappear" from view if needed, also they will have physical cutouts so it's easy to push them without looking.
YESSSSS!!!!!! BUTTONS, BUTTONS, BUTTONS, BUTTONS, BUTTONS. How many times do the customers have to tell the designers what we want? What we demand! To push shiny black cheap-looking plastic (make that crappy-and-cheap-looking plastic) at us and expect us to like it? That's what the IX is. What are they thinking? We don't need fingerprint mess all over the shiny black cheap plastic as our new way of life. We don't need a hole in the middle of the headrest, rimmed with a plastic frame, creating a hazard in a crash situation. We also don't need a light show inside our cars. A good driver is a focused driver. Quit trying to distract us with every gimmick and bauble under the sun. That whole tech-sound Hans Zimmer thing is a disaster. We should at least be able to opt out so we don't have to waste our money on BMW's mistake making that thing. AND FOR PETE'S SAKE, GET RIDE OF GLASS ROOFS!!! IN COLD WEATHER, THEY MAKE THE CAR COLDER. IN HOT WEATHER, THEY MAKE THE CAR HOTTER. THEY ARE A BAAAAADDDD IDEA!!!
They killed the buttons on the phones already, don't you get it that they don't want them to be killed in the car as well? The battle of the phone buttons has been lost long time ago...
We don't, because it's illegal for a reason. Also it's pretty difficult to fit great knobs and buttons for UX on a device you put in your pocket, but in a car you have all the space in the world for a great UX, still they just throw it away.
I’ve been using iDrive 8.5 and rarely touch anything. The car knows when to heat/cool my seat. It knows my preferred climate, seat settings, etc. Other than music selections, I rarely touch the screen. I think this looks really good.
@@bmwblog since BMW still makes temperatures depend on outer situation instead of inside. Example: My steering wheel shall warm up when the steering wheel is cold, not when it is cold outside, after I just shopped and got back into the car. Similar for seat heating. That doesn't mean I at times want to override that logic and wish to have a warm steering wheel when I didn't wear gloves, or wish to have some soothing in my back after efforts. ;)
Automotive industry will never stop with cutting manufacturing prices and lowering quality. Touch screens, capacitive buttons and gloss black is cheap. They will just tell you that it is what customers want, that it is digital, that it is the future and all that crap that follows… Trust your instincts and common sense, not their miserable marketing message. I agree however that it looks cool and since it is made by BMW I will trust it much more than anything coming from VW group. Thank you Horatiu for your clever interview and your deep knowledge of BMW (from a loyal BMW customer).
BMW UI Meeting Assignment: Design me a new screen UI: Draws a box Boss: Doesn't looks nice and a good UI UI: Tilt the box to the left Boss: Send it out to production
How is the main screen oriented for right hand drive and how is the screen layout? Is it flipped? Does the UX team run this in right hand drive mode too? - just see how good you are trying to use your non-dominant hand on the touch screen all the time. Physical buttons please not touch screens.
Looks promising, disappointed with lack of driver’s gauges that mimics analog gauges. Without that it reminds me of 1985 Toyota Cressida digital cluster
I don't mind the no button for the center console (A volume button and climate controls would be amazing) , but really the capacitive steering wheel "buttons" are the worst thing ever. just make them actual buttons, or at least put psychical cutout dividers for each button and not just on flat capacitive plate.
The steering wheel now will have haptic feedback buttons (just like MacBook touchpads) which are basically indistinguishable from physical buttons but can be turned off/be invisible if not needed anymore, also they will have physical cutouts so it's easy to push them without looking.
I hope my current BMW can last for 40 years. This is something I dont whant. The current system are bad but this was worce. Try to use it on a uneven road.
Yeah I don´t know about the touch panels on the steering wheel, like so many others in the comments. Everybody is complaining about it, the critics as well as the customers. VW had them, customers disliked them and VW listend and went back to buttons with the next generation. So many people said that the steering wheel in the new 5 and i5 are quit good BECAUSE they have buttons under the panel. Why does BMW what everybody dislike? I mean the previous generation wheels had such a nice button layout, it looked so well integrated in the previous models.
It would be a night with dynamic ambient light based on driving conditions and environment. Ex blue and white lights tip-tap like rain in a wet storm with flowing graphics that follow the content of the window, such as passing objects/signs on that side as well in the car.
I really like the iDrive 8 on my i4 M50, its a good trade-off between screens and buttons. I think this new iDrive X is a mistake, the idea is to drive the car, not look at screens.
@@Altair150 ………so if his job is ergonomic design and his designs follow trends instead of ergonomic design, what should I say? Keep up the good work? 🙄
@@jh5kl actually it would, if you replaced the current buttons on smarts phones, the power button, the volume controls and the alert slide with a bunch of touch buttons it will feel cheaper.
Honestly it feels like a big step backwards in user experience. Now information is spread out over the entire width of the windscreen instead of straight ahead behind the steering wheel. All physical controls that are great to interact with, especially when you are driving are replaced with touch dito which not only are a worse UX but also feels cheaper to interact with.
We need to see it in real life. But keep in mind, the speed and essential info, it's really right above the steering wheel. I would argue that's easy to see
The center display is an ergonomic display? Piano black touch screens on the wheel.... ugh OLED center screen? Because my 2024 iDrive 8 bended screen is not, and it is straining when driving in Scandinavian winter darkness. One cannot dim the screens enough. Yeah, I switch off the centre screen often, but it would be refined to have a very well thought of interface for night driving.
Do these "designers" ever drive cars with these designs? It looks like they double down on features that people hate with passion. Meanwhile, you probably still cannot see half of these screens and projections when you wear polarizing glasses.
Actually, I love this new Idrive X. But my last BMW didn't even have a screen, and loved that too. Glad to miss all the versions with an iPad instrument cluster.
Imagine paying millions of dollars to designers just to have a clustered steering wheel with capacitive buttons. I just want to drive the damn car not deal with the damn user interface
ugggg… no weird display shape. An answer to a question no one asked. If you must put everything on a screen can you at least give us a standard shape, and at least a few physical buttons on the wheel? At a minimum. I really wanted to upgrade from our old i3, but it looks like we will wait a bit longer till they can find some common sense. Maybe we will just get a Cadillac, at least they understand the idea of physical buttons and elegance.
Those are haptic feedback buttons (like MacBooks touchpads and iPhone's Home Button) which are indistinguishable in use from physical buttons but can "disappear" if needed, also they will have physical cutouts so it's easy to push them without looking.
@@meoao8829 Yes we all know that. But we also know that in practise and untill you train both your fingers and brain you are always going to miss-click or take your eyes of the road to find them
Really cool new ideas and features, love that and want to have! But an absolute no-go without physical iDrive controller, buttons for climate, seat heating and any possibility to turn off all this automatic functions.
@@Datoda there isn't a world where a cyan button with white text passes contrast ratio standards, ever. and in this case, the text weight is "light" or"extra light" making matters far worse. so you're wrong, it has nothing to do with youtube compression or other limiting factors. white (#fff) text on a #02c9e7 is so incredibly far from passing that even if my hex sample is slightly off, it wouldn't matter. it's bad UI design
@@tjk_9000 Talked with the folks who made this video and they said it looked fine in person. Also the big screen doesnt accurately represent the contrast and depth the final product will have, but if it was fine to look at with this already the actual small screen will be more than good.
There goes the driver's instrument panell!!! Heads up display should be a good option not the main course! Hope driving doesn't become a display I want to drive my BMW.
Customers: We want reasonably priced, easy to use, quality, reliable cars with intuitive phisical controls. Car company: Here is a very expensive, very complicated car made in the very cheapest way possible that will last about a week longer than the warranty and we've put all controls in screens. Customer hates the car. Car company makes surprised Pikachu face!
Can iDrive9 be upgraded ?; you are starting to sell M5 G90 with iDrive9, if you wanted to kill sales of this new M5 in the bud all you needed to do is this announcement of a new OS.
First of all M5 uses Os8.5 and not OS9. Second it will definetly not be possible to upgrade vom either OS8.5 or OS9 to OS10. Each OS is being build with its own hardware and chipset.
this is weak …. bring back the real BMW, manual gearboxes, physical buttons, analogic style gauge, the steering feel (hydro-electrical servo), the brake sensation . This is what we loved on BMW😢 Keep it original !
Not sure if BMW's strategy of pleasing the Chinese is the right one to follow. It's understandable they want to appease their biggest market but in the process they've forgotten about the rest of the world market. Now here's the kicker the Chinese seems to embracing their own manufacturers cos they are good at making gimmicks more and more will learn the hard way with their Chinese first strategy. We need physical controls not these gimmicks of my modes. Go back to idrive 7 and improve from there atleast for ice cars as for electric cars not much care really. The Idrive 7 was the last good os that was universally praised by everyone as the best everything went downhill from 8+ too distracting complicated
The guy that made me leave BMW! This is nothing new but rather a change in layout and style. Same crap that I have in my iX. Rivian and Tesla have defined what a modern UI should be. For once don’t reinvent the wheel 🛞
Good video and looks like a well thought out solution but these newer interior styles are not for me. I dislike open space interiors as they make me feel like I sit on a bus. Low seating position, a proper central tunnel next to me and a nice dash behind the wheel is where it's at for me. Was hoping for an optional classic gauge cluster graphic for idrive 8 and up at some point but this does not look to be the direction they are going.
😅 A 360 degree 4k dash cam inside and outside is overdue! With cloud storage, remote access, live view, night vision, and sound recording. Also a serious anti theft system that uses all cameras and has the ability to remote start, locate and remote disable the vehicle from any range With No Subscription service!!! I have so many more ideas but I'm keeping my b58 440i no question lol 😂 😂
I'm all about this update but the steering wheel controls need to be scaled back. Less buttons and make the ones you put there, tactile. Capacitive buttons on the steering wheel are cheap looking, messy, and in its form shown here, looks like a giant calculator attached the steering wheel.
I'd expect it in the new 3 and X5 since those are next gen products, current gen has the iDrive 8.5 Already. X3 was too early to have it, I bet it's on the LCI though, BMW is very predictable with roll outs. Steering wheel reminds me of a Citroen.
It's such a HUGE disappointment to see beloved, reliable, well-designed BMW go down the same disastrous path as Tesla. I currently drive a Tesla and a BMW. It is no contest. That horrible center iPad-like screen having everything and then no stalks on the steering wheel is a MASSIVE mistake that Tesla made. Drivers truly do need to be able to FEEL where the turn signal is. It is NOT appropriate to use an iPad or steering-wheel buttons for that. All I can say to the reader is this: Every BMW enthusiast needs to buy their next car BEFORE Neue Klasse hits the market, and then keep that car for as long as they possibly can. Maybe by the time those cars die, BMW will have learned the error of non-round steering wheels, no-stalk steering columns, and iPads in the center. Physical buttons cannot be beaten. We NEED them. Not want. NEED. To BMW designers. Go buy yourself a Tesla and try to live with that. It's not fun. Just trying to open the glovebox turns into a hunt-on-the-iPad quest. Not fun. The one thing Tesla truly does right is to use an air filter that is as wide as the car. That thing pulls all smells out of the car in an instant. Adopt THAT! It's great.
Why do German car manufacturers make such a (expensive) show out of new items which will be included in their upcoming products. This only increases costs (and therefor purchase prices for consumers) and it gives competing manufacturers advantageous insights. Did you ever saw Chinese manufacturers or Tesla make such a fuss about the display in their cars?
So this is the guy that slaps menu items over 5 sub menus in. A lot to learn on simplicity of usage. I see he has taken notes from Tesla on UI design. They should be the standard, no more than 2 sub menus to get to any option. Info you want to see up-front, options tucked away, but close by. Good improvements from the over complicated ID9 with a maze of menus you have to dive through. FYI, favorites on the bottom is not a solution to bad UI design. For those with pitchforks screaming "JUST ADD IT TO FAVORITES ON THE BOTTOM".....
Please no touch buttons on the wheel.
Mechanical buttons are too expensive to manufacture.
@ if I pay 80k€ for the car, I expect those additional 0.50€ cost to ne included.
they do not care about customers anymore, sell for as expensive as possible then charge even more at service centers for fixes
@@Александр-з2р6щ so despite lesser cost of manufacturing the touch buttons... I have to pay more for the actual car?! How does that make any sense if everything is downsized and cost-cut?
They posted elsewhere that the buttons are actually buttons - they're just a single unit with some digital tech behind it (lights, haptics), so they're not the VW-style touch ones.
Oh for heavens sake STOP with the capacitive touch buttons and gloss black plastics.
The panoramic view idea is insane and sick but we need buttons back a combo of these 2 would be sick
I think there will be some buttons.
I could like the panoramic view but they killed the iDrive button. I don't like reaching for touch screen controls and getting finger prints on the display if I don't have to...
Also the panoramic view is a very french way to make a car, and does not look good, there is no design just a screen and that steering wheel is stupid and very ugly, has way too many buttons, capacitive buttons it looks like.
The Neue Klasse also looks like a Peugeot / BMW 2002-ish car. Looks horrible, I have no hopes for the G50 3-series. The french can't make cars BMW, you can so why do this shit?
The same way buttons left cell phones, and everyone got used to it. Buttons are surely not coming back to cars. It's just the future.
Bring back physical climate buttons!
I wouldn't get my hopes up for that, they don't listen to customers
Chinese don't want buttons so you are not getting them!!!
No!!!
Absolutely!!!
No one is asking for this…
Seriously the controls for the heated seats should be BUTTONS! not an even smaller touchpoint on a screen! BMW needs to listen to its customers!
CHINESE don't want dumb buttons so you wont get buttons!!!
In my i4 when you get in to the car and put reverse, you can't adjust heated seats until reverse camera full screen display turn off. It's stupid.
@@tomkaidl You're whining about the most minor shit lol.
@@Tactical_Taco No, it's a question of ergonomics, and by mi opinion stupid.
Why the touch on the steering wheels. Makes it so much less intuitive to control adas.
I would be OK with touch buttons if I could see on the windshield what exactly I am touching right now, so I can quickly swipe across all touch areas and choose the right option with a double tap without breaking my attention from the road ahead. Eyes on the road in the sports cars are necessary even if I want to change the temperature!
BMW.. are you even seeing these comments???
Screens are cheaper to manufacture than buttons but they can sell the screen as a "premium" feature. Lower expenses, higher profits. That's all you need to know. They know we want buttons for key features, like climate, seat heaters, audio, etc... But they don't care.
screens are not cheaper to produce than buttons are
@@jh5kl Yes, the shift from physical buttons to screens in automobiles is largely driven by cost considerations, among other factors. Here’s an overview of why this is happening:
Cost of Production
Economies of Scale with Screens:
Screens, particularly touchscreen displays, are now mass-produced at scale, reducing their per-unit cost. Manufacturers can use the same screen design across multiple vehicle models, cutting costs further.
Physical buttons require individual design, manufacturing, assembly, and wiring for each button or control, which can be more labor-intensive and expensive compared to integrating everything into a single screen.
Simplified Assembly:
A touchscreen reduces the complexity of a car's interior assembly. With fewer physical components, automakers save on production time and labor costs.
Software Flexibility:
Screens allow for software-based updates and changes, eliminating the need to retool physical parts for different functions or upgrades. This adaptability is a cost-saving advantage over the lifecycle of a car model.
@@jh5kl Yeah they are
Does the panoramic display work with polarized sunglasses? I hope they thought of that because the regular HUD does not work well with sunglasses
That is SO true! I had that problem driving the BMW IX. The heads-up display cannot be seen when wearing polarized sunglasses. The BMW design team needs to address that. Otherwise, they are requiring us to drive blind, which is dangerous. It simply has to be said: Physical buttons and round steering wheels have WORKED for a century-plus. These wacky shaped steering wheels and non-physical buttons have all been 100% failures, across the board. Who are they trying to fool? We drivers know in an instant that these new things are worse than what we've all had our whole lives. This is NOT how you make customers stick with you. It is how you drive them away.
@@TheJoanRuth YES, it works with polarized sunglasses, it's a different display tech from regular HUD. The steering wheel now will have haptic feedback buttons (just like MacBook touchpads) which are indistinguishable in use from physical buttons but can "disappear" from view if needed, also they will have physical cutouts so it's easy to push them without looking.
In a different video, it was mentioned that polarized sunglasses should work.
@@meoao8829 haptic feedback buttons are very much distinguishable from physical buttons. Like, lets say, a ball and a picture of a ball
no it does not. even though they are stating that it does, but bmw cannot break laws of physics. they simply did not think about that :)
WE NEED BUTTONS !!!!!!!!
Yeah man. Sad new world
YESSSSS!!!!!! BUTTONS, BUTTONS, BUTTONS, BUTTONS, BUTTONS. How many times do the customers have to tell the designers what we want? What we demand! To push shiny black cheap-looking plastic (make that crappy-and-cheap-looking plastic) at us and expect us to like it? That's what the IX is. What are they thinking? We don't need fingerprint mess all over the shiny black cheap plastic as our new way of life. We don't need a hole in the middle of the headrest, rimmed with a plastic frame, creating a hazard in a crash situation. We also don't need a light show inside our cars. A good driver is a focused driver. Quit trying to distract us with every gimmick and bauble under the sun. That whole tech-sound Hans Zimmer thing is a disaster. We should at least be able to opt out so we don't have to waste our money on BMW's mistake making that thing. AND FOR PETE'S SAKE, GET RIDE OF GLASS ROOFS!!! IN COLD WEATHER, THEY MAKE THE CAR COLDER. IN HOT WEATHER, THEY MAKE THE CAR HOTTER. THEY ARE A BAAAAADDDD IDEA!!!
@ We. Want. Buttons.
Then get rid of ur phones even that doesn't have buttons 😂
@ I use a old Blackberry my friend 😎
Ironic people complain about a lack of buttons but text or use their buttonless cell phone while driving.
Haha, true
Best comment ever!
They killed the buttons on the phones already, don't you get it that they don't want them to be killed in the car as well?
The battle of the phone buttons has been lost long time ago...
Where is the irony? I'm sitting on my couch while typing this on my phone, not driving.
We don't, because it's illegal for a reason. Also it's pretty difficult to fit great knobs and buttons for UX on a device you put in your pocket, but in a car you have all the space in the world for a great UX, still they just throw it away.
Please come back classic bmw
okay that panoramic reflection idea is pretty cool
This actually looks awesome, can't wait for BMW to bring it's Neue Classe platform to production. 3 series please 😍😍❤❤
Great video
Thanks for the support!
@@urbanstrencan Yes, looks awesome, my next car
I hate tough screens. I want haptic response buttons during driving
reinventing the wheel to a triangle
iDrive 7 ftw
I’ve been using iDrive 8.5 and rarely touch anything. The car knows when to heat/cool my seat. It knows my preferred climate, seat settings, etc. Other than music selections, I rarely touch the screen. I think this looks really good.
Truth is that we rarely adjust the climate more than once during a ride.
@@bmwblog since BMW still makes temperatures depend on outer situation instead of inside.
Example: My steering wheel shall warm up when the steering wheel is cold, not when it is cold outside, after I just shopped and got back into the car. Similar for seat heating.
That doesn't mean I at times want to override that logic and wish to have a warm steering wheel when I didn't wear gloves, or wish to have some soothing in my back after efforts. ;)
Automotive industry will never stop with cutting manufacturing prices and lowering quality. Touch screens, capacitive buttons and gloss black is cheap. They will just tell you that it is what customers want, that it is digital, that it is the future and all that crap that follows…
Trust your instincts and common sense, not their miserable marketing message.
I agree however that it looks cool and since it is made by BMW I will trust it much more than anything coming from VW group.
Thank you Horatiu for your clever interview and your deep knowledge of BMW (from a loyal BMW customer).
Thank you for the kind words also.
BMW UI Meeting
Assignment: Design me a new screen
UI: Draws a box
Boss: Doesn't looks nice and a good UI
UI: Tilt the box to the left
Boss: Send it out to production
How is the main screen oriented for right hand drive and how is the screen layout? Is it flipped? Does the UX team run this in right hand drive mode too? - just see how good you are trying to use your non-dominant hand on the touch screen all the time. Physical buttons please not touch screens.
Will that central display's angle lean the other way for right-hand drive BMWs?
Like it or not this is the future
Looks promising, disappointed with lack of driver’s gauges that mimics analog gauges. Without that it reminds me of 1985 Toyota Cressida digital cluster
Please have physical buttons on steering wheel or at least good physical haptic feedback to prevent accident touches
I don't mind the no button for the center console (A volume button and climate controls would be amazing) , but really the capacitive steering wheel "buttons" are the worst thing ever. just make them actual buttons, or at least put psychical cutout dividers for each button and not just on flat capacitive plate.
Couldn’t agree more than that!
The steering wheel now will have haptic feedback buttons (just like MacBook touchpads) which are basically indistinguishable from physical buttons but can be turned off/be invisible if not needed anymore, also they will have physical cutouts so it's easy to push them without looking.
@@meoao8829 haptic feedback buttons are very much distinguishable from physical buttons. Like, lets say, a ball and a picture of a ball
Great! Always wanted a car with the interior ambiance of a science lab 😳
I hope my current BMW can last for 40 years. This is something I dont whant. The current system are bad but this was worce. Try to use it on a uneven road.
Yeah I don´t know about the touch panels on the steering wheel, like so many others in the comments. Everybody is complaining about it, the critics as well as the customers. VW had them, customers disliked them and VW listend and went back to buttons with the next generation. So many people said that the steering wheel in the new 5 and i5 are quit good BECAUSE they have buttons under the panel. Why does BMW what everybody dislike? I mean the previous generation wheels had such a nice button layout, it looked so well integrated in the previous models.
It would be a night with dynamic ambient light based on driving conditions and environment. Ex blue and white lights tip-tap like rain in a wet storm with flowing graphics that follow the content of the window, such as passing objects/signs on that side as well in the car.
You can customize the colors. Intensity etc
Any information if we will still get a physical iDrive Controller in the NK iX3 ??
No, this is what you will get
get an Audi instead
Reminds of what Honda did with the civic in 2006
Really really cool (if it would be year 2000)
How is the center console designed? Capacitive touch buttons ? iDrive wheel ?
What do you mean? Which part?
I really like the iDrive 8 on my i4 M50, its a good trade-off between screens and buttons. I think this new iDrive X is a mistake, the idea is to drive the car, not look at screens.
No physical climate controls? All screens? No physical buttons? Fire him.
Its been a trend for the last few years have you not been paying any attention?
@@Altair150 ………so if his job is ergonomic design and his designs follow trends instead of ergonomic design, what should I say? Keep up the good work? 🙄
How are touch buttons better than physical buttons besides making the car feel cheaper
so your smartphone feels cheaper because it doesn t have buttons? interesting
@@jh5kl actually it would, if you replaced the current buttons on smarts phones, the power button, the volume controls and the alert slide with a bunch of touch buttons it will feel cheaper.
Honestly it feels like a big step backwards in user experience. Now information is spread out over the entire width of the windscreen instead of straight ahead behind the steering wheel. All physical controls that are great to interact with, especially when you are driving are replaced with touch dito which not only are a worse UX but also feels cheaper to interact with.
We need to see it in real life. But keep in mind, the speed and essential info, it's really right above the steering wheel. I would argue that's easy to see
So the next gen G65 X5 will feature this. Does the package come as standard or will the windscreen display be an optional extra
Standard
do they not learn or listen?
We need turn signal camera!
The center display is an ergonomic display?
Piano black touch screens on the wheel.... ugh
OLED center screen? Because my 2024 iDrive 8 bended screen is not, and it is straining when driving in Scandinavian winter darkness. One cannot dim the screens enough. Yeah, I switch off the centre screen often, but it would be refined to have a very well thought of interface for night driving.
Do these "designers" ever drive cars with these designs? It looks like they double down on features that people hate with passion. Meanwhile, you probably still cannot see half of these screens and projections when you wear polarizing glasses.
every car gen has a designer
As beautiful as this innovation is, some of you will still prefer the old 2015 idrive system.. Change is humans kryptonite.
Actually, I love this new Idrive X. But my last BMW didn't even have a screen, and loved that too. Glad to miss all the versions with an iPad instrument cluster.
Because they do change for the sake of change. Not change for the better. That's why iDrive 7 is still preferable.
Imagine paying millions of dollars to designers just to have a clustered steering wheel with capacitive buttons. I just want to drive the damn car not deal with the damn user interface
I suppose BMW aren’t doing passenger screens?
No, they only copy the worst of Tesla.
bmw x5 and above models will have passenger screen option
This is the man to blame.
ugggg… no weird display shape. An answer to a question no one asked. If you must put everything on a screen can you at least give us a standard shape, and at least a few physical buttons on the wheel? At a minimum. I really wanted to upgrade from our old i3, but it looks like we will wait a bit longer till they can find some common sense. Maybe we will just get a Cadillac, at least they understand the idea of physical buttons and elegance.
I want to see how this will be implemented into M cars
Fire this dude and his team for the love of god !!
New doesn't mean also better...Terrible design on the steering wheel. VW group made the mistake with the capacitive buttons, why do you do the same?
Those are haptic feedback buttons (like MacBooks touchpads and iPhone's Home Button) which are indistinguishable in use from physical buttons but can "disappear" if needed, also they will have physical cutouts so it's easy to push them without looking.
@@meoao8829 Yes we all know that. But we also know that in practise and untill you train both your fingers and brain you are always going to miss-click or take your eyes of the road to find them
@@meoao8829 haptic feedback buttons are very much distinguishable from physical buttons. Like, lets say, a ball and a picture of a ball
How is that left pane useful? I don't understand why that pane display would be helpful in the situation that is described?
Really cool new ideas and features, love that and want to have! But an absolute no-go without physical iDrive controller, buttons for climate, seat heating and any possibility to turn off all this automatic functions.
More touch buttons?
NO! THAK YOU!
Just when you think bmw couldn't get any worse
What is this, a half cockpit for giants?
klavierlack ist super damit keine Fingerabdrücke zu sehen sind.
Make iDrive Great Again!
Will Apple Carplay still be an option?
Yes
@@bmwblogAwesome! Appreciate your channel!
I need buttons...
This interior is inspired! I've always thought the i3 was the high watermark for a car interior, I'm glad BMW are once again raising the standard.
Just update idrive 7 graphics and call it a day. 😂
Wie ätzend…😮 Schade BMW ! Und dann noch so dämliche Touchtasten im Lenkrad !
Possibly iDrive 10 to the IX facelift too?
No
No
Im a bmw owner and love all the modern tech. Why do most me owners complain so much?
Climate buttons and volume quick access are crucial tho
configure button at 13:25 is unreadable, needs a higher contrast ratio.
Perfectly readable in person, this is just how it looks on video
@@Datoda there isn't a world where a cyan button with white text passes contrast ratio standards, ever. and in this case, the text weight is "light" or"extra light" making matters far worse.
so you're wrong, it has nothing to do with youtube compression or other limiting factors. white (#fff) text on a #02c9e7 is so incredibly far from passing that even if my hex sample is slightly off, it wouldn't matter.
it's bad UI design
@@tjk_9000 Talked with the folks who made this video and they said it looked fine in person. Also the big screen doesnt accurately represent the contrast and depth the final product will have, but if it was fine to look at with this already the actual small screen will be more than good.
this is so ugly. I thought I drive 9 was ugly this is next level good job bmw
There goes the driver's instrument panell!!!
Heads up display should be a good option not the main course!
Hope driving doesn't become a display I want to drive my BMW.
There is a Panoramic display and a head up
0:29 FTW. Biggest dash screen ever.
Looks like a Fisher Price steering wheel for my 5 Year old.
Put the air conditioned with physical buttons for god sakes
Customers: We want reasonably priced, easy to use, quality, reliable cars with intuitive phisical controls.
Car company: Here is a very expensive, very complicated car made in the very cheapest way possible that will last about a week longer than the warranty and we've put all controls in screens.
Customer hates the car.
Car company makes surprised Pikachu face!
Please don't that center screen on i7 or 7er at all!
What do you mean?
Projections are to screens what capacitive buttons are to real buttons. This is another cost-cutting measure disguised as an “upgrade”.
Could be but the Panoramic tech is cool
Stretched speedometer
Is there actually anyone that asks for touch buttons on steering wheel or is it just them thinking it’s what we all want
I'm assuming they did user research
While iDX looks awesome... I think I am more excited for FINALLY getting a color wheel for ambient lighting.
Can iDrive9 be upgraded ?; you are starting to sell M5 G90 with iDrive9, if you wanted to kill sales of this new M5 in the bud all you needed to do is this announcement of a new OS.
its gonna be on the LCI model
You have to make a cut somewhere.
First of all M5 uses Os8.5 and not OS9. Second it will definetly not be possible to upgrade vom either OS8.5 or OS9 to OS10. Each OS is being build with its own hardware and chipset.
@@doyallsellcrablegsit won't be on the LCI. New products only.
BMW, bring back real full scale shifters, not those small click buttons.
Won't happen unfortunately
this is weak …. bring back the real BMW, manual gearboxes, physical buttons, analogic style gauge, the steering feel (hydro-electrical servo), the brake sensation . This is what we loved on BMW😢 Keep it original !
As a BMW fan for more than 30 years, now I can honestly say that BMW became ugly and uncomfortable :(
@@VSPlum how are they uncomfortable now? What are you comparing against?
@ buttons, buttons and once more buttons. They shouldn’t remove buttons! And iDrive as well
Not sure if BMW's strategy of pleasing the Chinese is the right one to follow. It's understandable they want to appease their biggest market but in the process they've forgotten about the rest of the world market. Now here's the kicker the Chinese seems to embracing their own manufacturers cos they are good at making gimmicks more and more will learn the hard way with their Chinese first strategy. We need physical controls not these gimmicks of my modes. Go back to idrive 7 and improve from there atleast for ice cars as for electric cars not much care really. The Idrive 7 was the last good os that was universally praised by everyone as the best everything went downhill from 8+ too distracting complicated
This new wheel with touch buttons - such a shame😢
The guy that made me leave BMW! This is nothing new but rather a change in layout and style. Same crap that I have in my iX. Rivian and Tesla have defined what a modern UI should be. For once don’t reinvent the wheel 🛞
they haven't defined what a modern ui should be at all
i4 m50. i miss my buttons
as someone who is going to work at BMW, I feel so proud of it 🛐❤🔥
Good video and looks like a well thought out solution but these newer interior styles are not for me. I dislike open space interiors as they make me feel like I sit on a bus. Low seating position, a proper central tunnel next to me and a nice dash behind the wheel is where it's at for me. Was hoping for an optional classic gauge cluster graphic for idrive 8 and up at some point but this does not look to be the direction they are going.
I'm old, true but you seems like yoda old.
No hard feelings, i know sometimes we long for things we used to like
😅 A 360 degree 4k dash cam inside and outside is overdue! With cloud storage, remote access, live view, night vision, and sound recording.
Also a serious anti theft system that uses all cameras and has the ability to remote start, locate and remote disable the vehicle from any range With No Subscription service!!! I have so many more ideas but I'm keeping my b58 440i no question lol 😂 😂
They do have a wide lense inside camera
Oh dear....Looks eerily similar to what Lincoln and Cadillac have done......
Exactly
🔥
operating touch screens at highways speeds seems safe
you mean something that all cars have?
I'm all about this update but the steering wheel controls need to be scaled back. Less buttons and make the ones you put there, tactile. Capacitive buttons on the steering wheel are cheap looking, messy, and in its form shown here, looks like a giant calculator attached the steering wheel.
I'd expect it in the new 3 and X5 since those are next gen products, current gen has the iDrive 8.5 Already. X3 was too early to have it, I bet it's on the LCI though, BMW is very predictable with roll outs. Steering wheel reminds me of a Citroen.
It's such a HUGE disappointment to see beloved, reliable, well-designed BMW go down the same disastrous path as Tesla. I currently drive a Tesla and a BMW. It is no contest. That horrible center iPad-like screen having everything and then no stalks on the steering wheel is a MASSIVE mistake that Tesla made. Drivers truly do need to be able to FEEL where the turn signal is. It is NOT appropriate to use an iPad or steering-wheel buttons for that. All I can say to the reader is this: Every BMW enthusiast needs to buy their next car BEFORE Neue Klasse hits the market, and then keep that car for as long as they possibly can. Maybe by the time those cars die, BMW will have learned the error of non-round steering wheels, no-stalk steering columns, and iPads in the center. Physical buttons cannot be beaten. We NEED them. Not want. NEED. To BMW designers. Go buy yourself a Tesla and try to live with that. It's not fun. Just trying to open the glovebox turns into a hunt-on-the-iPad quest. Not fun. The one thing Tesla truly does right is to use an air filter that is as wide as the car. That thing pulls all smells out of the car in an instant. Adopt THAT! It's great.
Why do German car manufacturers make such a (expensive) show out of new items which will be included in their upcoming products. This only increases costs (and therefor purchase prices for consumers) and it gives competing manufacturers advantageous insights. Did you ever saw Chinese manufacturers or Tesla make such a fuss about the display in their cars?
No thank you. iDrive 7 >
why they make a screen like this shape
Why not? It's easier than a wide shape
In an age where there are too many distractions for the driver, BMW is adding more… Please STOP!!!! Bring back buttons!!!
So this is the guy that slaps menu items over 5 sub menus in. A lot to learn on simplicity of usage. I see he has taken notes from Tesla on UI design. They should be the standard, no more than 2 sub menus to get to any option. Info you want to see up-front, options tucked away, but close by. Good improvements from the over complicated ID9 with a maze of menus you have to dive through. FYI, favorites on the bottom is not a solution to bad UI design. For those with pitchforks screaming "JUST ADD IT TO FAVORITES ON THE BOTTOM".....