I have someone arguing with me that it's no different from what happens at school. Yikes I hope the adults at school aren't condoning sexual harassment as custom.
@@caroled3943 It's obviously on a whole different level, but don't act like you've never heard an adult brush off a little boy pulling a girls pigtails by saying "it's just because he likes you". That shit gets ingrained in us, even if it's more subtle than how these people teach it.
the way Cheyenne's voice break after she said it "wasn't a violent grabbing" will always haunt me. She tries so hard to convince herself she wasn't just assaulted. And no, this isn't culture, this is straight up abuse, plain and simple
Amen.💔 There is much that I respect & appreciate about Traveller & Romany cultures. However, SA, (& other) violence, expectations of marriage & Motherhood as _CHILDREN,_ real obstacles to leaving unhappy &/or abusive marriages, no choices BUT marriage, Motherhood, & homemaking for girls-- (I adored being a wife & Mother, & prioritizing my child & family, this time of my life was my greatest Purpose, Calling, Blessing, & Joy, but that was _MY CHOICE,_ after an education, profession, & & adventures) --& lack of education, for the girls & boys, & the attitude that girls are PROPERTY--first of their Fathers & then their husbands, these things I find sad, & very, very disturbing, unjust, & infuriating. The focus on family, & the close-knit communities, & Spirituality are lovely. There is much to respect, admire, & appreciate about Traveller & Romany cultures, & I certainly give them due respect.
She married him. He is in & out of prison for violent crimes. It’s his sisters wedding. Her & the husband divorce quiet quickly. She is jailed for a violent assault on a pregnant woman so is her mither
It's like watching two trains crashing head on, you don't want to watch but you can't look away. If you do know where they are both social welfare and revenue want to know too.
@@Mama_Mia84 Cheyenne is actually happily married to the boy who grabbed her in this episode at that wedding and they have 4 children. She actually married the brides brother. However does not make grabbing okay at all it’s a very disgusting tradition however it’s their way of life same way we accept peoples religious beliefs and way of life x
I love how when they asked him what he liked about her all he could say was that she cooked and cleaned for him. Didn't say she was pretty or smart just shows why he's really marrying her.
So if he said it was her beauty (which fades) that he found attractive, you’d be happy with that? I’m sure he was attracted to be tbh. Women marry men for resources in our modern culture, so I’m not sure what the issue is.
John Boy is so sweet to his sister and knows how important her dress is. How do they become Swaley who doesn't even care that his brides dress is caught and hurting her.
Sexualizing girls from the time they're born, dressing them up like "prostitutes" at 10 years old, and saying sexual harassment = attraction, but meanwhile prohibiting premarital sex and preventing them from going out or choosing their spouses is NOT high morals. The lady who mentioned that is a little off her rocker
They acting like prostitutes sitting on a pool table wearing next to nothing. Why the father an mother not telling them to stop flaunting their body so much to drunk men for whistles and attention.
Easy to figure out they doing that just so they get married at early age, after they married off they dress up more modestly, don't work but procreate as many children as they possibly can, that is the life of gypsies. I would like to know more who earns the money and how here or they just all on walfare?
One half of me is faszinated with the culture, the other is furious about a community that only allows/offers women an identity as pretty princess, womb and housekeeper. That is all their identeties are allowed to be.
I feel the same especially since it seems that in certain areas it's also the norm with Mormons and JWs and Evangelicals with similar ridiculous attitudes...
and the way they are taught to dance from so young. They are pure girls but the way they are taught to dress and dance is the complete opposite. It's all set up for the men, clearly.
I bet the DV in these communities is awful. It’s the same in any communities that has very rigid roles about what makes men and women different. I don’t mind traditional roles (if both are happy) and there is mutual respect, love and commitment. It’s the foundation on which all else is built. I also think they’re too young to understand this level of dedication to each other.
My father is a true blood Romani gypsy, he was a hard working honest man he was from the older generation and very traditional in his way and lived a simple life , I grew up with the Romani ways even though my mother is a country woman, I work full time and got an education because my father wanted me to do better for myself
Your parents sound lovely. It's good to hear your daddy let you choose how you wanted to live your life, which is rare in your culture. But I hate how others judge others for the way they live. Just a quick question. Do people judge you when they learn of your heritage, even though you've been brought up more "modern"? I hope not, as there is absolutely nothing wrong with the culture you are part of. Others just don't like what they don't understand.
actually most gypsy and traveler community’s don’t do this. actually sickening to see some branches of travelers doing this stuff. grabbing in my traveler society is just grabbing a girls hand or putting ur arm round her shoulder.
@@noriceflynn1727 Not trying to sound rude, but it is good to know not all travelers are like that. Then again, you can't always believe what you see online. I admit I was very astounded when I saw that girls get married at such a young age and the boys grabbing the girls. I won't speak badly of something I don't know, I can always voice my opinion, that I think it can be terrifying to just get grabbed and dragged away by a random boy/stranger (in case you don't know them, I presume you don't all know eachother?) And of course missing out on a lot of experiences, one get as you get older than 16. And I admit, I sometimes wonder if the girls miss school?... As far as I have learned from the show, there are a few girls who choose not to get married and 'break the cycle' for a lack of better words. However, I do want to know if they choose to do that, "breaking the cycle", do the girls get shunned? Or are there groups of travelers who respect their decision? I am honestly curious. No judgement on this side, just curiousity. Plus this is an old show, so things might have changed over the last +-10 years. I hope that me asking you these questions and the things I said, doesn't hurt your feelings. :)
@@rissamunrose3658 well yes we all know each other and it’s not that aggressive and they definitely aren’t getting married at 16. only in rare cases and without the parents knowledge of knowledge of anyone really. and i know lots of young women who have either left abusive relationships or chose not to get married. they aren’t shunned some just aren’t meant for married life. as for missing school it does happen yes but only because we tend to do a lot of moving around. the girls are extremely well educated just not in the traditional sense. like by a school curriculum. and u don’t miss out on any experiences in my opinion. we usually get married at 24-26 but some get married much later if they find the right person. and i want to reiterate that grabbing is no where near getting pulled and dragged away. grabbing is something that doesn’t usually happen anymore it is 2022 and we believe it’s an outdated custom. but when it did a boy would pull their car up along side a girl and say “ur grabbed” and she would get in. then u just chat. but that was ten years ago. honestly shocks me that ppl believe the stuff in this show. it’s entertaining to watch but no where. near accurate
@@noriceflynn1727 also people are freaking out about something that from what I've seen these girls are completely okay with it and as you just said not everyone does this also I've seen a lot worse happen in America and nobody said anything
I feel so bad for the blond girl. the way her friend just leaves saying she can fight for herself when she's clearly uncomfortable and asking for help... gross. and this happens everytime, not only with travelers. surround yourself with good friends who care please
@@minime3922 if I knew a real true traveler she would be my sister till I was in the grave and no one would get between me and her. Ps I love the way you live and are raised never seen a stronger woman then what I see in a traveler woman
So if a guy wants a girls number he gets to essentially kidnap her, hold her hostage and even go as far as breaking her arm? What happened to just asking for it? I know this is an old one because Josie and Swanley are divorced with a kid and Cheyenne is married with 2 kids and her husband (Josie’s brother) went to prison for armed robbery and attempted kidnapping on some poor lady in broad daylight. These people talk about how they’re discriminated against yet they’re incredibly judgmental of "country" people and very rude towards them.
Im not blaming them right now 2022 the English government wanna push through a law saying if u dont move, they can take your home. Which will destroy a lifestyle and put pressure on housing. They get accused of leaving rubbish but need permits for dumps and if there being moved on won't have time to move the rubbish. Some are rude etc but if u have been told pikey for generations would you trust ? Traveller sites dont always have the two sheds they need for washing according to there values. Or bin collections if not a registered site. Which is rare to find. Like everything else the minority are defo not nice but the rest just don't trust us or dont understand our way of life, just like we dint understand there way life in some aspects
Wow the gypsies think they are above the law and can do whatever they want. When things don't turn out their way then the complaints about discrimination start coming.
Lots of projection of their own attitudes and behavior. They dress like their from the hood and they want to be treated like they are from the gated community. I get sick just watching this show. They act like a lot of hookers and pimps.
Its absolutely heart-wrenching to think about all the sexual assault these girls go thru. Cheyenne tryingnto convince herself that what happened made me cry. Hell I was 22 when I got married, to a old religion catholic family I was even informed that my place was in the kitchen & taking care of the family. Which still gives me the chills; to be told "Im happy if my husband is happy, and if he strays that's just him getting what he needs" It broke my heart, and after he turned violent everyone turned a blind eye. Because I was now his property (smfh). That's not love 🙇♀️🙇♀️, that's torture
It's the same as a man chatting your friend up and you standing in middle of them that's werid to us but helping your friend would probably leave your friend angry with you
I googled Josie, curious to know what’s happened to her now. She and Swanley divorced after two years. She said ‘cracks started showing days after the wedding and he bullied her’ (are we surprised). She and her baby girl moved with her mother after. And her kid is also named Josie.
@@ravenbaa7989It says alot, because they're forced grow up instead of being their age. BTW not hating on gypsy culture just know some things just need to be left in the past.
@@ravenbaa7989 well if you don't stay in school, are raised in a very traditional/religious dynamic and get married at 16, you might not realize that pregnancy is so imminent. Also, the whole purpose of getting married (young) in the traveller community seems to be to start a family. The overall goal is fulfilled then so to say. So it might be a mixture of purpose and not knowing anything else.
I think for many it’s simply because of the amount of sun beds they use. Sun damage is so ageing and can knock 10 or more years onto you. They don’t think about that when they are doing it but I would rather have normal white skin then look 50 when I’m 30. If you see josie now she is still in her 20’s but has really bad eye wrinkles again from overusing sun beds etc. their diet is also poor. Drinking red bull all day, eating unhealthy foods etc. these are certainly not traditional travellers no matter what they may say. They have made their own traditions. I’m certain travellers from 50 years go would look down on these girls as scandalous and shameful for the way they behave and the clothes they wear.
So not allowed to have sex before marriage or do pretty much anything except cook clean and reproduce, but are allowed to be sexually harassed, dress in clothes that leave little to the imagination and dance like a stripper???
I certainly do not understand it, myself. I was raised in a very devout family, in a very strict religion with equal ban on any kind of sex before marriage. I would have been locked in the house, if I tried to wear such clothes, or dance like that! 😮
"shes a good cook...she cleans throughout most of the day - thats a good sign .. yh those are the main things to look for" bloody hell are u looking for a maid or wife ???
No one said there’s anything wrong with being a SAHM. It’s the fact it’s *expected* of women in the traveler community. Having a husband isn’t really a must.
@@cc97143 As it should be. It is also *expected* for the _man_ to provide, again, as it should be. See what they do is normal, what we do in the west not so much.
@@cc97143 The majority of women want to have children and a family, the majority of women can also bring children into this world. Questioning this is such an outdated way of thinking.
These girls are more in love with getting married and having the perfect wedding dress to outdo everyone else. Most don't seem to excited about the actual marriage and who they are marrying. I give it a year at most ... plus a kid, then divorce followed by another wedding ,or 2!
Thats not how they do it they only marry once even if they get divorced there is no second and third wedding they can get back with the same person but no one new thats not what they do
I think they know going into it that the actual being married part isn't much fun for the wife. They've watched what their mothers go through. I can't blame them for wanting one extra-special day to look back on during the hard times.
I can't be the only one who thinks it's just ironic that Swanley thought it was HORRIBLE for Josie to be late when 1. she wasn't the one driving 2. she wasn't the reason she was late, while he, got lost while he was driving, he was the reason he was late - if her limo was not late, I wonder what he would've said 😂
Having been pulled into a dark corner by a man who forced himself onto me (kisses only but that's enough) I really feel for poor Cheyenne. That's traumatic and not in any way romantic or the start of a relationship.
4 months at 16. These girls don't stand a chance when their husband gets violent. 🥺🥺🥺 Of course they bring Disney and movie pictures, they're not even adults.
It's so gross hearing boys so young talking about "grabbing" like they're eagerly looking forward to doing that!!!!🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮 I have 2 boys! And I've never felt like I had to spank them. But I'd BEAT the breaks off either one of them if they ever were to even try something like that! And they know it, because I tell them every time I see something like this! I dgaf what your little friends are saying and doing, SA is NOT EVER ok period!
What about the animal cruelty? Dog fighting and Sulkie racing? Antisocial behaviour, lack of education, domestic violence, filthy social environment? There is loads to choose from
Thats because travellers are defrent to country people we have to deal with it and its not sexual assault its just the way traveller boys are and its horrible but we have to live w it
@@kathleenjjones3136 oh so that's, "Just the way they are"? So.........You're just unaware that forcibly grabbing a girl to try to kiss without her permission, is the very definition of sexual assault?! Doing ANYTHING sexual to anyone without permission... IS SEXUAL ASSAULT! and not ok. PERIOD!
@Munia Priya Since the 1960s, when it became associated with "Paki-bashing," aka beating the shit out of people who appear to be of South Asian descent.
@Munia Priya well said literally. Sick of black people crying out “ racism “. If a white person refereed a black person as black we get called racist. But it’s really the black people who started the racism. I’ve not yet seen a white person cry out racism because a black person called them white💀 black people over react. Seriously. They Bring race into everything. Literally no one cares what colour you are.
@Munia Priya paki is a derogatory term for Pakistanis especially in UK. so I would be mindful before writing an entire paragraph without a basic research..
They can’t intervene. For one they’re only there to observe and probably had to agree to a lot of stipulations to even be allowed in their community, two they would be met with extreme violence.
@@BeccasaurousRex270 why would you want to intervene? Ever see the amount of weapons Gardai confiscate after a faction fight? Pick axe handles, billhooks, machetes. Go be a hero but no one is going to give you a medal for it!
physical abuse right from the beginning, grabbing a girl, pushing her up against the wall and hurting her if she says no to kissing you? and constantly hurting her until she submits or you give up….? good lord. wow
My family are Romani/English travellers. (Family’s from both sides married into each-other.) My family are extremely old fashioned and very into their spirituality like tarot cards, rune stones, crystals, fortune telling and witchcraft. I feel sometimes ashamed to tell people where my family are from because they then jump to conclusions and assume we are like what you see on TV. When that really isn’t the case! My family used to live on a site until early 2000s and then move into houses, last person to live on our site was my grandad who died in 2018. Now my cousin and her baby have moved into a shalley there also with a distant relative in a caravan to keep it ours, rest of the plot is rented out to people. We would own horses and dogs back in the day, As usual. But never would women wear the kinds of things you see in these modern day “travellers”. Our clothing was more bohemian with bangles, head scarfs and beautiful patterned dresses that were not showing cleavage and belly’s and under bum. I do feel our culture has been corrupted in a way by this new modern day aesthetic of what a traveler should be. And the beautiful vardos (wagons) we would own which had beautiful patterns and gold outlining with those beautiful painted shutters for the windows. Its such a shame to hardly see them around anymore.. 😔 Please do not think we are all like what is being portrayed on tv! 🙏🏻
The Travelling folk used to stay on my father's farm when I was a wee. My parents had no problem with them, they would sometimes work on the farm. We all used to play together as kids. the families were lovely and would give me dinner often. The big difference I noticed was I wanted to travel the world and they wanted to get married. When they grew up Ironically. Although All human roots were travellers.
@@mrpeanuts7478 I love the IDEA of the dresses…. Something spectacular and memorable. Just not quite THIS over the top😆 but the dresses truly are a piece of artwork!!!
I think its terrible how the people are conditioned to believe all this. That it's fine to be sexually harassed and assaulted. The fact hat they think it's normal for boys to grab them and attack them until they get a kiss is just disgusting.
I’d secretly take birth control and study online at night. Hell no! Edit: Wait so she needs to clean her own trailer? He couldn’t even buy a brand new clean one or gee a cleaning company?
Her dress is toooo big on her, and the other girls were making fun of her, she looked like a cotton candy with a head on the middle! Poor girl! Nice friend, she left her there, when she clearly wanted help, but by the look of her face, I can tell that she was jealous of her! Because none of the boys make a move on her.
Physical abuse, both late to the wedding, an aspiring trailer residence, superficiality…pure class! I mean…she was literally laughing while taking her vows…WOW!
@@ttintagel I live in a major US city. My life has been anything but sheltered. I have NEVER been to wedding when boys were PERMITTED to grab a young girl and try to FORCE a kiss out of her. Worse this is sanctioned by the adults present. Its gross. I am truly sorry for whatever you've experienced and hope you are safe and happy.
@@ttintagel and the adults condoned and encouraged it? Dear God! Disgusting that you went to your parents and the teacher and nothing was done. Maybe it's not to late for you to help other younger girls. Expose those bastards.
@@caroled3943 All the adults said was "Boys will be boys." Unless you're significantly younger than I am, I'm surprised that the adults in your life were more enlightened.
The one boy who tried to make my daughter kiss him probably won't be able to have kids of his own and is likely never going to force anything from a female again. I'm from the south and a few females in my family have been through some shit so I taught my daughter how to defend herself from a very young age. I can't watch this no more...
And I think her friend montana or whatever was jealous Just they way she acted!!! And her friend was even yelling for her! Wow what a good friend she was!
Cheyenne married a lovely bloke who robbed a woman by grabbing her toddler and threatening to kill him. Strong morals, indeed… That dress designer has been breathing in too much damn hot glue.
The weddings that these people throw are the true definition of “valuing the wedding more than the marriage.” They spend loads of money on these trashy, tacky weddings and wedding dresses and put so much thought and effort into the wedding only for most of these couples to divorce within five years of marriage. Sad and ridiculous. Maybe more of their thoughts, time, and other resources should go towards the actual marriage and then the marriages might have a better chance of lasting. Just a thought.
They raise their men to be wife beaters and criminals and their women to be servants and child raisers. Very sad. This isn’t what most traditional travellers are about at all from what I’ve seen. Some are like this but have long forgotten the real traditions. Many old time gypsys were good hardworking people with high morals and high standards of home keeping. Not like these scallys who steal and lie and rip people off, grab and abuse women, and the women who dress like prostetutes and beat up pregnant women. Shameful to say the least.
Tragic and tacky. The little girl in her outlandish First Communion costume she could barely walk in had her peers laughing at her. That must have been embarrassing for her. As for all the other odd things associated with this community such as 'grabbing' and being forced to leave school at 11 years of age, it's shocking. No wonder the females are treated merely as chattels and servants; they know no better. Surely the parents should be fined for the latter. They seem to be wealthy regardless of their poor education, so you have to wonder where all their money is coming from, especially with the women not being allowed to work and their ginormous families they keep having. I don't believe for one moment that all their money is made by legitimate means. And why are all the males fighting with each other constantly? I reckon there'd be a fair amount of inbreeding if they rarely allow outsiders in.
My question is...who pays for this...and HOW?!...I kinda want to see the aftermath. TLC portrays this as so beautiful and lavish (like, who WOULDN'T want a wedding as lush as this?!)....living conditions are living in a fecken' trailer....I want to se the continuation of these circumstances ...This is OK?!...Someone give me insight, 'cause I ain't gettin' it.
This is how they control their girls. Having deprived them of an education, forcing them to leave school early to learn to be obedient wives, they can only get them to comply by promising a fairytale wedding as something to look forward to. Therefore the parents spend a lifetime saving for weddings, baptisms & communion
A world where 15 year olds can dress very mature and possibly get kidnapped by boys/men yet has to save sex for marriage and live by traditional gender rules? I’m so confused yet so curious. And perhaps this is all misrepresented but the girls seem more interested or at least highly romanticize the wedding than actually being married.
@@ttintagel It’s actually possible for young girls to fantasize a life like that. If they’re expecting this perfect prince charming that will give to your needs regardless of his position in the marriage, they’d totally expect the least expected. The idea that if he loves you enough, him taking charge wouldn’t be an issue for her. That is possible and some people are fine with the way they live, I just don’t think these girls would like it with the way they are.
@@emilywright3454 no she went to prison when she first started her baby clothes business because she was still claiming benefits while working. That was many years before this show.
Wait wait wait, there’s no way I just saw someone force a girl for a kiss by literally dragging them away and pinning them against the wall. Fucking disgusting.
josie (mcfadyen) and swanley had at least one daughter together but got divorced a few years later as he was apparently abusive towards her. her family have been in the papers quite a lot for different things such as accusations of attacks and threatening behaviour josies sister also got married but divorced later on and got caught trying to smuggle a mobile phone to her ex-boyfriend in jail by hiding it in her baby's nappy cheyanne got married to john, the guy who grabbed her and they have 4 kids together
Josie went on to have 5 more kids with multiple men which I’m shocked about because I thought that was forbidden and John and Cheyenne are still together and have 4 kids and they look exactly the same like they didn’t age. Josie and John’s parents also got divorced and the little sister Barbara also divorced her husband.
This is like watching a plane crash in slow motion. Josie is a child with no education who's been trained to cook, clean, and be a sex doll. That's not a culture, it's a prison sentence. Add in alcohol and cameras to film the circus and I don't see how this can possibly end in anything but disaster.
Wow, the husband even changed clothes to something more comfortable, while she was wearing a dress that literally cut her.. He was only wearing a suit and couldn't even wear that for more than a few hours lmao. The things he liked about here was that she could cook and clean. These people are not marrying for love. They are marrying to marry. They are in love with the idea of marrying at such a young age. The grabbing also was disgusting.
So nobodys gonna talk about The Irish Travellers that had their sons first communion outfit as a fictional African Prince? But they dont like to mix with other breeds? The math aint mathin’
I think they just like the movie. This was like 20 years ago, people thought differently back then. I don't think anybody was trying to make fun of anybody or cultural appropriate or whatever. I think they genuinely like the look. Not offensive.
The traditional values regarding marriage and sex are familiar to me as a person that comes from a religious background but the revealing clothes and blatant sexualisation of the teen girls is completely unfamiliar and to me seems completely contradictory to the traditional values. It’s bizarre and fascinating at the same time🤔
All of the tawdry clothes and sexually explicit dancing is truly disturbing. And how do they get all the money for the clothes and fancy parties? Particularly with so little education.
In the US, I've seen them walk through a grocery store opening packages and eating, then putting them back. Or carrying around fruit eating it without paying for it. Once couple paid for a candy bar but left a trail of open packages behind. My best friend in junior high was a gypsy. He told me we couldn't date because he'd been betrothed at birth to a girl in our class. They really did get married after graduation. His mother was a palm reader. She's had a sign out front of a building for over 30 years. His father was a roofer. He was too at 14. He spread tar on roofs. I can't vouch for their honesty, but some would show up at people's driveways, ask for money in advance to resurface the drive, then never return. Thievery and trickery has been the way of the gypsy's I've known personally.
for how strict these people are I'm surprised that they let there girls dress so badly....like a street girl, if you know what I mean.... I'm also shocked in this day and age they want to keep their women uneducated. sad...
26:05 ok I can’t b the only one who thinks this is just utterly bizarre. I mean the whole thing kind of is. But these babies partying it up in the limo really threw me for a damn loop even more
Chyanne is married to a lad whom became one off the most notorious biker gang whom dragged a woman’s baby off her and got sent to prison. But everyone said she is happy. Well he has led her a hard life
This is a dumb question but since they often move into caravans after the wedding (even if they eventually move into a house to send their kids to school), where do they store their wedding dresses?
She can't even look him in the eye during their vows, and keeps laughing. It shows that she is far too young for what's going on. And neither of them look all that happy at the end of their vows. Even if it's a cultural thing to marry young, they really don't know what they're getting into and don't yet have the necessary emotional maturity for marriage.
I would never put someone’s culture down and truth be told I have much admiration for Travelers and Gypsies and their cultures and deep family roots. That being said WTF! The principal’s of the whole “grabbing” ritual is very F&$KED!! Teaching boys to grab a young girl and hurt her until she kisses you knowing that they said no and that their reputation will be tarnished because they were essentially for lack of a better word soft sexually assaulted is barbaric and pretty disgusting. To make matters worse (if that’s even possible) the girls think it’s acceptable and it means the boy likes you and what you want or think doesn’t matter because they don’t matter for anything but being a wife, mother,and maid. It makes me sad and I can understand why people look down at them and it’s a shame because there is a lot of beautiful traits to a traveler. Just my opinion.
I just can't believe that this docu is about the real gypsys... cause nothing is traditional. Maybe some stuff like traveling but the big weddings dresses...
These poor girls!!! My daughter is 15, and she is focused on graduating from high school and becoming an ER nurse before she gets married. The idea of her even looking at me and saying she wants to marry someone before she turned 18 is horrifying.
NO ONE GONNA TALK BOUT HOW THE DUDE WAS BEING RUDE ABOUT PAKISTANI PEOPLE AND CALLING THEM PAKIS AND CONTINUING TO LAUGH AT THEIR CULTURE AND WEDDINGS LIKE WTF
The amount of people defending sexual assault and hiding it behind “culture” is absolutely insane.
It's not culture. It's a front for pedophiles.
I’m with ya on that 💯
This practice is absolutely insane. Let these precious little girls grow up and find out what true love is.
A precious gift from God💞
I have someone arguing with me that it's no different from what happens at school. Yikes I hope the adults at school aren't condoning sexual harassment as custom.
@@caroled3943 It's obviously on a whole different level, but don't act like you've never heard an adult brush off a little boy pulling a girls pigtails by saying "it's just because he likes you". That shit gets ingrained in us, even if it's more subtle than how these people teach it.
the way Cheyenne's voice break after she said it "wasn't a violent grabbing" will always haunt me. She tries so hard to convince herself she wasn't just assaulted. And no, this isn't culture, this is straight up abuse, plain and simple
Amen.💔
There is much that I respect & appreciate about Traveller & Romany cultures.
However, SA, (& other) violence, expectations of marriage & Motherhood as _CHILDREN,_ real obstacles to leaving unhappy &/or abusive marriages, no choices BUT marriage, Motherhood, & homemaking for girls--
(I adored being a wife & Mother, & prioritizing my child & family,
this time of my life was my greatest Purpose, Calling, Blessing, & Joy,
but that was _MY CHOICE,_ after an education, profession, & & adventures)
--& lack of education, for the girls & boys, & the attitude that girls are PROPERTY--first of their Fathers & then their husbands,
these things I find sad, & very, very disturbing, unjust, & infuriating.
The focus on family, & the close-knit communities, & Spirituality are lovely.
There is much to respect, admire, & appreciate about Traveller & Romany cultures, & I certainly give them due respect.
She married him. He is in & out of prison for violent crimes. It’s his sisters wedding. Her & the husband divorce quiet quickly. She is jailed for a violent assault on a pregnant woman so is her mither
Culture and gypsy are oxymorons
@@denisthemenace1272what's their surname , are they on social media ?
@@thesoul2sqeeze Swanley Smith and Josie split up around a year and a half after they got married, so in 2012 they were in the process of divorcing.
Idk why I find these documentaries so fascinating. They need to do a where are they now season.
It's like watching two trains crashing head on, you don't want to watch but you can't look away. If you do know where they are both social welfare and revenue want to know too.
Theyre ALL divorced
Ikr
Yes they are at least ten years out of date.
@@Mama_Mia84 Cheyenne is actually happily married to the boy who grabbed her in this episode at that wedding and they have 4 children. She actually married the brides brother. However does not make grabbing okay at all it’s a very disgusting tradition however it’s their way of life same way we accept peoples religious beliefs and way of life x
I love how when they asked him what he liked about her all he could say was that she cooked and cleaned for him. Didn't say she was pretty or smart just shows why he's really marrying her.
that's what primitive man need 🤭
Yeah, I would hate if a man said that of me.
That's part of their coulter tho
So if he said it was her beauty (which fades) that he found attractive, you’d be happy with that? I’m sure he was attracted to be tbh. Women marry men for resources in our modern culture, so I’m not sure what the issue is.
They're brought up like that .Shes a skivvy and baby maker,and he brings the money in!🤣🤣🤣🤣
That little girl when her brother called her a princess instead of a rat 😂 So cute
Lol he was way too anxious to see her in her dress I hope he doesn’t grab her
@@notjulianne87 I wouldn't be surprised though it would be worse then cousins
@@notjulianne87 get a life...hé is her brother and a little kid...
take your mind out off the gutter you groomer...
@@mikivanduyn9630 other ppl agree w me….
John Boy is so sweet to his sister and knows how important her dress is. How do they become Swaley who doesn't even care that his brides dress is caught and hurting her.
"The girls go out in large packs"
The biology documentary style narration is always killing me
Magpies hunt in packs robbing everything not nailed down.
Gypsies behave like animals so it's quite fitting, David Attenborough should be narrating this series.
all the time in my head was one of those nature documentaries, where animal males are fighting for their territory and there is one alpha male...
The narration is why I stay why watching smh. It's condescending and informative.
😂😂
Sexualizing girls from the time they're born, dressing them up like "prostitutes" at 10 years old, and saying sexual harassment = attraction, but meanwhile prohibiting premarital sex and preventing them from going out or choosing their spouses is NOT high morals. The lady who mentioned that is a little off her rocker
They acting like prostitutes sitting on a pool table wearing next to nothing. Why the father an mother not telling them to stop flaunting their body so much to drunk men for whistles and attention.
Agreed
Easy to figure out they doing that just so they get married at early age, after they married off they dress up more modestly, don't work but procreate as many children as they possibly can, that is the life of gypsies. I would like to know more who earns the money and how here or they just all on walfare?
100% spot on, is tragic when u think about it
Imagine being that one andgirl who never gets grabbed. How do you think she feels about herself?😕🎭
One half of me is faszinated with the culture, the other is furious about a community that only allows/offers women an identity as pretty princess, womb and housekeeper. That is all their identeties are allowed to be.
I feel the same especially since it seems that in certain areas it's also the norm with Mormons and JWs and Evangelicals with similar ridiculous attitudes...
and the way they are taught to dance from so young. They are pure girls but the way they are taught to dress and dance is the complete opposite. It's all set up for the men, clearly.
And if they age at 24. They are too old???!!!
I bet the DV in these communities is awful. It’s the same in any communities that has very rigid roles about what makes men and women different. I don’t mind traditional roles (if both are happy) and there is mutual respect, love and commitment. It’s the foundation on which all else is built. I also think they’re too young to understand this level of dedication to each other.
Womb? I think you mean motherhood--and there's nothing wrong with that.
My father is a true blood Romani gypsy, he was a hard working honest man he was from the older generation and very traditional in his way and lived a simple life , I grew up with the Romani ways even though my mother is a country woman, I work full time and got an education because my father wanted me to do better for myself
So happy to hear that! 😊 It's unfortunate how all the other ladies are treated. 😢
That’s amazing to hear that Sylvia. Thank God some people have class
Amen.
God bless your Daddy & Mother for having such an enlightened view.
God bless your parents, your family, & you, now & always.💗
Your father sounds sweet:) bless him for taking good care of you!
Your parents sound lovely. It's good to hear your daddy let you choose how you wanted to live your life, which is rare in your culture. But I hate how others judge others for the way they live.
Just a quick question. Do people judge you when they learn of your heritage, even though you've been brought up more "modern"? I hope not, as there is absolutely nothing wrong with the culture you are part of. Others just don't like what they don't understand.
How sad that Josie looks for a husband who won’t beat her.
Considering that relationships start with hurting them till they get a kiss I'm not surprised
Grabbing is not a normal thing... it's assault and it is really DISGUSTING AND An ANCIENT and outdated mindset
It is in the real Gypsy communities like Romania. The really kidnap the girls from their parents but the parents know about it.
actually most gypsy and traveler community’s don’t do this. actually sickening to see some branches of travelers doing this stuff. grabbing in my traveler society is just grabbing a girls hand or putting ur arm
round her shoulder.
@@noriceflynn1727 Not trying to sound rude, but it is good to know not all travelers are like that. Then again, you can't always believe what you see online. I admit I was very astounded when I saw that girls get married at such a young age and the boys grabbing the girls. I won't speak badly of something I don't know, I can always voice my opinion, that I think it can be terrifying to just get grabbed and dragged away by a random boy/stranger (in case you don't know them, I presume you don't all know eachother?) And of course missing out on a lot of experiences, one get as you get older than 16. And I admit, I sometimes wonder if the girls miss school?... As far as I have learned from the show, there are a few girls who choose not to get married and 'break the cycle' for a lack of better words. However, I do want to know if they choose to do that, "breaking the cycle", do the girls get shunned? Or are there groups of travelers who respect their decision? I am honestly curious. No judgement on this side, just curiousity. Plus this is an old show, so things might have changed over the last +-10 years. I hope that me asking you these questions and the things I said, doesn't hurt your feelings. :)
@@rissamunrose3658 well yes we all know each other and it’s not that aggressive and they definitely aren’t getting married at 16. only in rare cases and without the parents knowledge of knowledge of anyone really. and i know lots of young women who have either left abusive relationships or chose not to get married. they aren’t shunned some just aren’t meant for married life. as for missing school it does happen yes but only because we tend to do a lot of moving around. the girls are extremely well educated just not in the traditional sense. like by a school curriculum. and u don’t miss out on any experiences in my opinion. we usually get married at 24-26 but some get married much later if they find the right person. and i want to reiterate that grabbing is no where near getting pulled and dragged away. grabbing is something that doesn’t usually happen anymore it is 2022 and we believe it’s an outdated custom. but when it did a boy would pull their car up along side a girl and say “ur grabbed” and she would get in. then u just chat. but that was ten years ago. honestly shocks me that ppl believe the stuff in this show. it’s entertaining to watch but no where. near accurate
@@noriceflynn1727 also people are freaking out about something that from what I've seen these girls are completely okay with it and as you just said not everyone does this also I've seen a lot worse happen in America and nobody said anything
I feel so bad for the blond girl. the way her friend just leaves saying she can fight for herself when she's clearly uncomfortable and asking for help... gross. and this happens everytime, not only with travelers. surround yourself with good friends who care please
She ends up getting married to him in one of the later episodes
I know, kind of got a whiff of jealousy from the 'friend'.
@@lah1667 That was her cousin but yes she was jealous
We have to fight for ourselves.. it's our way of life. We don't come down on anyone else. Just to be left alone is all we want. X
@@minime3922 if I knew a real true traveler she would be my sister till I was in the grave and no one would get between me and her. Ps I love the way you live and are raised never seen a stronger woman then what I see in a traveler woman
So if a guy wants a girls number he gets to essentially kidnap her, hold her hostage and even go as far as breaking her arm? What happened to just asking for it? I know this is an old one because Josie and Swanley are divorced with a kid and Cheyenne is married with 2 kids and her husband (Josie’s brother) went to prison for armed robbery and attempted kidnapping on some poor lady in broad daylight. These people talk about how they’re discriminated against yet they’re incredibly judgmental of "country" people and very rude towards them.
Im not blaming them right now 2022 the English government wanna push through a law saying if u dont move, they can take your home. Which will destroy a lifestyle and put pressure on housing. They get accused of leaving rubbish but need permits for dumps and if there being moved on won't have time to move the rubbish. Some are rude etc but if u have been told pikey for generations would you trust ? Traveller sites dont always have the two sheds they need for washing according to there values. Or bin collections if not a registered site. Which is rare to find. Like everything else the minority are defo not nice but the rest just don't trust us or dont understand our way of life, just like we dint understand there way life in some aspects
Cheyenne and John have 4 kids not 2
Wow the gypsies think they are above the law and can do whatever they want. When things don't turn out their way then the complaints about discrimination start coming.
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Lots of projection of their own attitudes and behavior. They dress like their from the hood and they want to be treated like they are from the gated community. I get sick just watching this show. They act like a lot of hookers and pimps.
That poor little girl looked miserable trying to walk in that dress while the other children laughed
Poor child is walking like a zombie ಠ_ʖಠ
Its absolutely heart-wrenching to think about all the sexual assault these girls go thru. Cheyenne tryingnto convince herself that what happened made me cry.
Hell I was 22 when I got married, to a old religion catholic family I was even informed that my place was in the kitchen & taking care of the family. Which still gives me the chills; to be told "Im happy if my husband is happy, and if he strays that's just him getting what he needs"
It broke my heart, and after he turned violent everyone turned a blind eye. Because I was now his property (smfh). That's not love 🙇♀️🙇♀️, that's torture
I am so sorry you went through that. Are you still married? Sending you love and prayers. Stay strong. ❤
@@jamiegdubois my thoughts too hope this lady is ok hope she got away
💔🫂
How are you now? Am praying for a happy ending away from abuse❤
It's a SHAME how Montana didn't stand up for her friend during grabbing. It shows us that we should avoid type TOXIC people.
I agree. What a little $*#@?
It's the same as a man chatting your friend up and you standing in middle of them that's werid to us but helping your friend would probably leave your friend angry with you
@@djfhfhThat is sexual assualt dumbass
Its her cousin and she married him and they are still together not that it makes it right
@@Ashleylaclair-bf7lrhow u know is there an episode on her?
I googled Josie, curious to know what’s happened to her now. She and Swanley divorced after two years. She said ‘cracks started showing days after the wedding and he bullied her’ (are we surprised). She and her baby girl moved with her mother after. And her kid is also named Josie.
Why she have his kid so soon
So now there are 3 gens of Josie's
@@ravenbaa7989It says alot, because they're forced grow up instead of being their age. BTW not hating on gypsy culture just know some things just need to be left in the past.
@@ravenbaa7989 well if you don't stay in school, are raised in a very traditional/religious dynamic and get married at 16, you might not realize that pregnancy is so imminent. Also, the whole purpose of getting married (young) in the traveller community seems to be to start a family. The overall goal is fulfilled then so to say. So it might be a mixture of purpose and not knowing anything else.
He looks like a big bully. He was only wanting a housekeeper.
I've noticed that the Mom's of these girls look quite old for their ages, which I assume 35- 40. Says alot about the life they live.
I think for many it’s simply because of the amount of sun beds they use. Sun damage is so ageing and can knock 10 or more years onto you. They don’t think about that when they are doing it but I would rather have normal white skin then look 50 when I’m 30. If you see josie now she is still in her 20’s but has really bad eye wrinkles again from overusing sun beds etc. their diet is also poor. Drinking red bull all day, eating unhealthy foods etc. these are certainly not traditional travellers no matter what they may say. They have made their own traditions. I’m certain travellers from 50 years go would look down on these girls as scandalous and shameful for the way they behave and the clothes they wear.
Exactly
The average lifespan in the traveler community is only 50.
@@oliviamartini9700 For men it is less because of suicide diabetes and faction fights.
Breeding does that to you
So not allowed to have sex before marriage or do pretty much anything except cook clean and reproduce, but are allowed to be sexually harassed, dress in clothes that leave little to the imagination and dance like a stripper???
Just what I was thinking. Doesn't make a lot of sense.🤷♀️
I cringe when watching them dance. Especially the babies 🤦🏽.
Ze zien eruit als hoeren
Met excuses aan de hoeren
I certainly do not understand it, myself.
I was raised in a very devout family, in a very strict religion with equal ban on any kind of sex before marriage.
I would have been locked in the house, if I tried to wear such clothes, or dance like that! 😮
"shes a good cook...she cleans throughout most of the day - thats a good sign .. yh those are the main things to look for" bloody hell are u looking for a maid or wife ???
To them it’s one in the same
There's nothing wrong with staying at home mom but I think having a responsible and considerate husband is also a must
And being able to make that decision for yourself.
No one said there’s anything wrong with being a SAHM. It’s the fact it’s *expected* of women in the traveler community. Having a husband isn’t really a must.
@@cc97143 As it should be. It is also *expected* for the _man_ to provide, again, as it should be. See what they do is normal, what we do in the west not so much.
@@eriklarsson3188 No. not every woman wants kids or can have kids. such an outdated way of thinking.
@@cc97143 The majority of women want to have children and a family, the majority of women can also bring children into this world.
Questioning this is such an outdated way of thinking.
These girls are more in love with getting married and having the perfect wedding dress to outdo everyone else. Most don't seem to excited about the actual marriage and who they are marrying. I give it a year at most ... plus a kid, then divorce followed by another wedding ,or 2!
That's what they learn their whole life. Marriage is important not whom they marry.
There not allowed to divorce unless In extreme circumstances it’s frowned apon and you can be shunned by the community
Thats not how they do it they only marry once even if they get divorced there is no second and third wedding they can get back with the same person but no one new thats not what they do
@@alchemist_cos Nettie Stanley from Gypsy Sisters, age 48 ...9 kids and married 3 times. I'm sure she isn't the exception.
I think they know going into it that the actual being married part isn't much fun for the wife. They've watched what their mothers go through. I can't blame them for wanting one extra-special day to look back on during the hard times.
I think the person who invented all these beliefs and tradition passionately and cunningly despised marriage and women.
Of course!
Absolutely! 💯 true.
'when they wont accept no for an answer and grab and twist your arms until it hurts that means they like you'
Disgusting really. I feel sorry for these girls. They think it has to be that way... :(
Yeah just wait till they punch you. Then you know you're really loved
And a husband beats his wife because he loves her so much. Yeah right.
I can't be the only one who thinks it's just ironic that Swanley thought it was HORRIBLE for Josie to be late when 1. she wasn't the one driving 2. she wasn't the reason she was late, while he, got lost while he was driving, he was the reason he was late - if her limo was not late, I wonder what he would've said 😂
they hurt you until they get a kiss? What! that's disgusting
Absolutely disgusting!!
How much housework can the wife do every day in such a small trailer
Once the wains come, I wouldn't be surprised it takes all day
All of it LOL
You know there isn’t one crumb laying around. No dust and fingerprints don’t last!
Everything top to bottom every day
Having been pulled into a dark corner by a man who forced himself onto me (kisses only but that's enough) I really feel for poor Cheyenne. That's traumatic and not in any way romantic or the start of a relationship.
It sounds too aggressive. It is not the way to treat a person. The man was wrong to do what he did to you.
She ended up marrying him too . They have an episode of it
And now they have 4 kids and he went to prison for a violent crime. She really is too nice of a girl for that life.
@@tiredtears4177 You have an interesting name. I hope 🤞🤞🤞 that you are having a good day today.
Do the girls get breast implants or is nature just kinder to them?
4 months at 16. These girls don't stand a chance when their husband gets violent. 🥺🥺🥺
Of course they bring Disney and movie pictures, they're not even adults.
And that's why she divorced him
@fabiwilliams4644 she did? I haven't reached that part. Is it included here?
I really hate how this girl left her friend while a MAN was grabbing her, and the audacity that she says “She can fight for herself”
she was obviously trying to get away and her friend just left that's really annoying
Cupid Not a man an immature boy.
she was jealous it was obvious
Its her cousin !! She said she was happy also they are still married and have 4 kids!
the sexual assault is the only thing I’ll never support. It’s so normal for them 🤢
It's so gross hearing boys so young talking about "grabbing" like they're eagerly looking forward to doing that!!!!🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮
I have 2 boys!
And I've never felt like I had to spank them.
But I'd BEAT the breaks off either one of them if they ever were to even try something like that!
And they know it, because I tell them every time I see something like this!
I dgaf what your little friends are saying and doing, SA is NOT EVER ok period!
Yes it's the one thing I can't get over
What about the animal cruelty? Dog fighting and Sulkie racing? Antisocial behaviour, lack of education, domestic violence, filthy social environment? There is loads to choose from
Thats because travellers are defrent to country people we have to deal with it and its not sexual assault its just the way traveller boys are and its horrible but we have to live w it
@@kathleenjjones3136 oh so that's,
"Just the way they are"?
So.........You're just unaware that forcibly grabbing a girl to try to kiss without her permission, is the very definition of sexual assault?!
Doing ANYTHING sexual to anyone without permission...
IS SEXUAL ASSAULT!
and not ok.
PERIOD!
I love how he felt so comfortable calling it a "paki wedding" but would flip his shit if you called him a racial slur
You ain't seen nothing until you have seen a tinker funeral, whole country towns have to shutdown because of violence
@Munia Priya Since the 1960s, when it became associated with "Paki-bashing," aka beating the shit out of people who appear to be of South Asian descent.
@Munia Priya well said literally. Sick of black people crying out “ racism “. If a white person refereed a black person as black we get called racist. But it’s really the black people who started the racism. I’ve not yet seen a white person cry out racism because a black person called them white💀 black people over react. Seriously. They Bring race into everything. Literally no one cares what colour you are.
@Munia Priya paki is a derogatory term for Pakistanis especially in UK. so I would be mindful before writing an entire paragraph without a basic research..
@@mrs.beagles4537 only in the uk
Pretty disgusting how production watched Cheyenne get assaulted by the guy in the pink tank top and didn't intervene in any way.
Their culture, their traditions. The crew are there to observe and record.
They can’t intervene. For one they’re only there to observe and probably had to agree to a lot of stipulations to even be allowed in their community, two they would be met with extreme violence.
@@BeccasaurousRex270 why would you want to intervene? Ever see the amount of weapons Gardai confiscate after a faction fight? Pick axe handles, billhooks, machetes. Go be a hero but no one is going to give you a medal for it!
Yep sad
The crew would've probably been murdered
Cheyenne sounded close to tears. And the "I've had much worse" Comment, this poor girl
She married him 2
But he ended up in prison. Seems putting hands on woman is something he likes to do..smh
Imagine buying a wedding dress so big, its bigger than the caravan you will be living in.
Yeah I was wondering what they do with those gigantic dresses after the wedding
@@AmyB369 They bin them. Its not like they are silk or anything.
There was a young girl in one episode, probably 10 or so, who said "never mind the shi* you live in as long as the dress is fabulous".
😂😂😂
I can’t be the only one who thinks the giant pink communion dress is iconic?🤣
Someone needs a slap in the head and it's not the child.
Ironically ugly and tacky
I love it aha
I think it's overkill for a dress.
It really is iconic.
Just showed this to my mom. She said "Clothes that tight are sure to cause a yeast infection " 🤣😂 My dear Mum. She has no filter
Your Mom is,absolutely correct! 😝😂
physical abuse right from the beginning, grabbing a girl, pushing her up against the wall and hurting her if she says no to kissing you? and constantly hurting her until she submits or you give up….? good lord. wow
BARF.... Sexual harassment starts early with these folks.🤮
The sexualization of the girls, from a VERY young age, is deeply, deeply disturbing.
My family are Romani/English travellers. (Family’s from both sides married into each-other.)
My family are extremely old fashioned and very into their spirituality like tarot cards, rune stones, crystals, fortune telling and witchcraft.
I feel sometimes ashamed to tell people where my family are from because they then jump to conclusions and assume we are like what you see on TV. When that really isn’t the case!
My family used to live on a site until early 2000s and then move into houses, last person to live on our site was my grandad who died in 2018. Now my cousin and her baby have moved into a shalley there also with a distant relative in a caravan to keep it ours, rest of the plot is rented out to people.
We would own horses and dogs back in the day, As usual.
But never would women wear the kinds of things you see in these modern day “travellers”. Our clothing was more bohemian with bangles, head scarfs and beautiful patterned dresses that were not showing cleavage and belly’s and under bum.
I do feel our culture has been corrupted in a way by this new modern day aesthetic of what a traveler should be.
And the beautiful vardos (wagons) we would own which had beautiful patterns and gold outlining with those beautiful painted shutters for the windows. Its such a shame to hardly see them around anymore.. 😔
Please do not think we are all like what is being portrayed on tv! 🙏🏻
The Travelling folk used to stay on my father's farm when I was a wee. My parents had no problem with them, they would sometimes work on the farm. We all used to play together as kids. the families were lovely and would give me dinner often. The big difference I noticed was I wanted to travel the world and they wanted to get married. When they grew up Ironically. Although All human roots were travellers.
Thank you for sharing your story! I’m fascinated by so many aspects of your culture! I want to learn more. The wedding dresses are my favorite🥹😍
@@haileyg2620 These wedding dresses you see are not what we would of been seen wearing back in the day. Personally for me I think these are tacky.
@@mrpeanuts7478 I love the IDEA of the dresses…. Something spectacular and memorable. Just not quite THIS over the top😆 but the dresses truly are a piece of artwork!!!
@Michelle Cline I was blown away! They can wear those skimpy clothes but not a bathing suit?! 😵💫
So they call Indian/ Asians packis but if someone called them a pikey they would throw a fit… kmt double standards is crazy
Omg yes! I was like well Swanley is very racist
Super hypocritical considering Roma culture began in Pakistan/N.India.
I think its terrible how the people are conditioned to believe all this. That it's fine to be sexually harassed and assaulted. The fact hat they think it's normal for boys to grab them and attack them until they get a kiss is just disgusting.
I’d secretly take birth control and study online at night. Hell no!
Edit: Wait so she needs to clean her own trailer? He couldn’t even buy a brand new clean one or gee a cleaning company?
Her dress is toooo big on her, and the other girls were making fun of her, she looked like a cotton candy with a head on the middle!
Poor girl!
Nice friend, she left her there, when she clearly wanted help, but by the look of her face, I can tell that she was jealous of her! Because none of the boys make a move on her.
Agreed
SHAME ON THE MOTHERS WHO LETS THERE 16 YEAR OLD GET MARRIED SMH
Whu😂
I hope all the girls from this documentary are safe and happy 😔
Sorry but most divorced. No happily ever after
Swanley & Josie's marriage barely lasted 2 years
Probably as happy as we are. Have you seen the divorce rates in the US and the rest of the Western world?
@Fabi Williams Divorce rates in the US are 50% so we aren’t any better.
Most gypsy men are alcoholic or druggie but hey umm wish them luck
Physical abuse, both late to the wedding, an aspiring trailer residence, superficiality…pure class! I mean…she was literally laughing while taking her vows…WOW!
People laugh when there nervous lol shouldn't judge peoples relationships on a short video you watched
Clearly nerves y do ppl comment just to judge
@@Matthew_theBrute5989she's a kid and kids laugh it's not even a nervous laugh it's an immature laugh
@@elasticheart6694I would be nervous to if I was that young getting married
Imagine going from living in a house with 9 siblings to a caravan with no curtains. Talk about downgrade
what they call grabbing most intelligent human beings call sexual assault. women are doomed in the Traveller community
If you think this is something isolated to the Traveller community you've led a sheltered and lucky life.
@@ttintagel I live in a major US city. My life has been anything but sheltered. I have NEVER been to wedding when boys were PERMITTED to grab a young girl and try to FORCE a kiss out of her. Worse this is sanctioned by the adults present. Its gross. I am truly sorry for whatever you've experienced and hope you are safe and happy.
@@caroled3943 Lucky you. My friends and I didn't even have to go to a wedding to experience it. Happened regularly at school.
@@ttintagel and the adults condoned and encouraged it? Dear God! Disgusting that you went to your parents and the teacher and nothing was done. Maybe it's not to late for you to help other younger girls. Expose those bastards.
@@caroled3943 All the adults said was "Boys will be boys." Unless you're significantly younger than I am, I'm surprised that the adults in your life were more enlightened.
They can’t be alone with guys, they can’t drink, till after they are married. But, they dress so provocatively. 🤷🏻♀️
They have the sheer nerve to moan that other people are 'racist' towards them, but use racist language themselves. The bloody cheek of it 😤🤬😡
The one boy who tried to make my daughter kiss him probably won't be able to have kids of his own and is likely never going to force anything from a female again. I'm from the south and a few females in my family have been through some shit so I taught my daughter how to defend herself from a very young age. I can't watch this no more...
I think it’s sad that they accept that “grabbing” is just part of their life😢
He abandons her and his daughter, took 110k and ran off after a court settlement. She lives back with her parents.
If she doesn’t know who Audrey Hepburn is then she’s too young for you lol
This is exactly what I was thinking lmao
And I think her friend montana or whatever was jealous Just they way she acted!!! And her friend was even yelling for her! Wow what a good friend she was!
Cheyenne married a lovely bloke who robbed a woman by grabbing her toddler and threatening to kill him. Strong morals, indeed… That dress designer has been breathing in too much damn hot glue.
The weddings that these people throw are the true definition of “valuing the wedding more than the marriage.” They spend loads of money on these trashy, tacky weddings and wedding dresses and put so much thought and effort into the wedding only for most of these couples to divorce within five years of marriage. Sad and ridiculous. Maybe more of their thoughts, time, and other resources should go towards the actual marriage and then the marriages might have a better chance of lasting. Just a thought.
Why not just put all this effort into going to Prom
@@JanGlow To go to Prom you need to finish school first ..... Like that is going to happen for the travellerettes
@@anthonyhassett true
Margaritha yawning at church was a big mood for me
Why would a girl want a boy to grab her then squeeze and hurt her arms until she kisses him...I guess I'll never understand it 🤔
they grow up in a environment that teaches them this is normal, it's very hard to think differently in these conditions
They raise their men to be wife beaters and criminals and their women to be servants and child raisers. Very sad. This isn’t what most traditional travellers are about at all from what I’ve seen. Some are like this but have long forgotten the real traditions. Many old time gypsys were good hardworking people with high morals and high standards of home keeping. Not like these scallys who steal and lie and rip people off, grab and abuse women, and the women who dress like prostetutes and beat up pregnant women. Shameful to say the least.
Tragic and tacky. The little girl in her outlandish First Communion costume she could barely walk in had her peers laughing at her. That must have been embarrassing for her. As for all the other odd things associated with this community such as 'grabbing' and being forced to leave school at 11 years of age, it's shocking. No wonder the females are treated merely as chattels and servants; they know no better. Surely the parents should be fined for the latter. They seem to be wealthy regardless of their poor education, so you have to wonder where all their money is coming from, especially with the women not being allowed to work and their ginormous families they keep having. I don't believe for one moment that all their money is made by legitimate means. And why are all the males fighting with each other constantly? I reckon there'd be a fair amount of inbreeding if they rarely allow outsiders in.
@samanthaparmley1386
My question is...who pays for this...and HOW?!...I kinda want to see the aftermath. TLC portrays this as so beautiful and lavish (like, who WOULDN'T want a wedding as lush as this?!)....living conditions are living in a fecken' trailer....I want to se the continuation of these circumstances ...This is OK?!...Someone give me insight, 'cause I ain't gettin' it.
This is how they control their girls. Having deprived them of an education, forcing them to leave school early to learn to be obedient wives, they can only get them to comply by promising a fairytale wedding as something to look forward to. Therefore the parents spend a lifetime saving for weddings, baptisms & communion
Grifting
Robbin' thievin', scamming social welfare, shoddy tarmac, robbing metal like lead and copper.... Knacker style
When that question arises it is usually due to something shady (not always but in these cases….)
More than likely TLC paid for it themselves just to get the privilege to record their social customs
Grabbing is an utterly disgraceful "tradition" and these poor young ladies dont even realise it 😢
Um wow are they normalising sexual assault and harassment. It's a no from me. Im not watching past 3 minutes.
“He’s gonna be the AFRICAN prince” excuse me
I wAs shocked they didn’t know Audrey Hepburn being she is the essence of glamour
Not for many people. Especially them.
A world where 15 year olds can dress very mature and possibly get kidnapped by boys/men yet has to save sex for marriage and live by traditional gender rules? I’m so confused yet so curious.
And perhaps this is all misrepresented but the girls seem more interested or at least highly romanticize the wedding than actually being married.
TBH it doesn't sound like the actual being married part is much fun for the wife. Wouldn't be for me, anyway.
@@ttintagel It’s actually possible for young girls to fantasize a life like that. If they’re expecting this perfect prince charming that will give to your needs regardless of his position in the marriage, they’d totally expect the least expected.
The idea that if he loves you enough, him taking charge wouldn’t be an issue for her. That is possible and some people are fine with the way they live, I just don’t think these girls would like it with the way they are.
Yeah you have to beat off the potential rapists to prove your worth
You here your friend screaming your name and you still walk away Wtf is wrong with her the girl looked like she wanted to cry
And she ended up marrying that guy
Forget the elaborate dress, get the child to a good dentist
It's normal to lose teeth at that age lol
her teeth look fine
All I can think about is I’ve seen the episode of Cheyennes wedding and she’s such a sweet girl
she's by far the most well spoken respectful lady this shown has seen. she deserves better
She also looked very sad like she doesn't actually like the way it is poor girl married the boy grabbing her
I've just realised, throughout the years, Thelma has a cast or support on her wrist. She must have rsi or carple tunnel from making those dresses 😔
I believe she had carpel tunnel surgery at one point but I don't remember lol
She does but she can work she went to prison for benefit fraud due to it
@@emilywright3454 no she went to prison when she first started her baby clothes business because she was still claiming benefits while working. That was many years before this show.
I know not everyone knows Audrey Hepburn but at the same time I’m like ‘How can you not know about this beautiful soul?!??!’
Because they're to busy watching fairy tales
They think they're the only important people to know 😂
Because they are poorly educated and their world is so small. Imagine leaving school at 11 years old!
I know nothing about Audrey Hepburn, but I atleast recognize her!
Wait wait wait, there’s no way I just saw someone force a girl for a kiss by literally dragging them away and pinning them against the wall. Fucking disgusting.
Yeah I think they're married now with 4 kids
@@fabiwilliams4644 😟😟
josie (mcfadyen) and swanley had at least one daughter together but got divorced a few years later as he was apparently abusive towards her. her family have been in the papers quite a lot for different things such as accusations of attacks and threatening behaviour
josies sister also got married but divorced later on and got caught trying to smuggle a mobile phone to her ex-boyfriend in jail by hiding it in her baby's nappy
cheyanne got married to john, the guy who grabbed her and they have 4 kids together
Josie went on to have 5 more kids with multiple men which I’m shocked about because I thought that was forbidden and John and Cheyenne are still together and have 4 kids and they look exactly the same like they didn’t age. Josie and John’s parents also got divorced and the little sister Barbara also divorced her husband.
@@LatchKeyKid_78 do they have any social media
@@LatchKeyKid_78 lol thank you saved me a Google! Socials?
She’s pregenant w 7 now lip fillers and boob job looks like a barbie
@@TheTeamcullen7 josie mcfayden
very strange that girls can't go out alone, but they CAN go out dressed like the child prostitute in Taxi Driver
This is like watching a plane crash in slow motion. Josie is a child with no education who's been trained to cook, clean, and be a sex doll. That's not a culture, it's a prison sentence. Add in alcohol and cameras to film the circus and I don't see how this can possibly end in anything but disaster.
Wow, the husband even changed clothes to something more comfortable, while she was wearing a dress that literally cut her.. He was only wearing a suit and couldn't even wear that for more than a few hours lmao. The things he liked about here was that she could cook and clean. These people are not marrying for love. They are marrying to marry. They are in love with the idea of marrying at such a young age. The grabbing also was disgusting.
So nobodys gonna talk about The Irish Travellers that had their sons first communion outfit as a fictional African Prince? But they dont like to mix with other breeds?
The math aint mathin’
When they said inspired by “coming to America” I had to give them all the side eye.
It’s apparently ok to steal from another culture, just not mix with it
I think they just like the movie.
This was like 20 years ago, people thought differently back then. I don't think anybody was trying to make fun of anybody or cultural appropriate or whatever. I think they genuinely like the look. Not offensive.
The traditional values regarding marriage and sex are familiar to me as a person that comes from a religious background but the revealing clothes and blatant sexualisation of the teen girls is completely unfamiliar and to me seems completely contradictory to the traditional values.
It’s bizarre and fascinating at the same time🤔
All of the tawdry clothes and sexually explicit dancing is truly disturbing. And how do they get all the money for the clothes and fancy parties? Particularly with so little education.
How do they finance that lifestyle? Like the weddings, the dresses and a 10 person trip to Lanzerote are no small expenses in my mind...
In the US, I've seen them walk through a grocery store opening packages and eating, then putting them back. Or carrying around fruit eating it without paying for it. Once couple paid for a candy bar but left a trail of open packages behind. My best friend in junior high was a gypsy. He told me we couldn't date because he'd been betrothed at birth to a girl in our class. They really did get married after graduation. His mother was a palm reader. She's had a sign out front of a building for over 30 years. His father was a roofer. He was too at 14. He spread tar on roofs. I can't vouch for their honesty, but some would show up at people's driveways, ask for money in advance to resurface the drive, then never return. Thievery and trickery has been the way of the gypsy's I've known personally.
The husband's work and they live in RVs. In their community, they kind of pool their money like lots of other communities do to pay for the big stuff.
Montana is the worst friend ever. Her bestie was getting “Grabbed” ( sexually assaulted) and she just walked away. 🤦🏽♀️ Geez, Girl!
It's part of their culture so it's considered perfectly normal
@@fabiwilliams4644that doesn’t make it ok… it’s forced
@@kay-fg8zyIt isn't ok, but that's where you blame the parents who allow this to be done and teach it.
Its her cousin! Yes its not ideal and I don't agree with it! They did get married and have 4 kids and still together!
for how strict these people are I'm surprised that they let there girls dress so badly....like a street girl, if you know what I mean.... I'm also shocked in this day and age they want to keep their women uneducated. sad...
You will find the women can read and do better math than the men. That is not saying much.
I don't like the grabbing thing. I understand tradition but that's another story. Some traditions have to grow/change with the times.
26:05 ok I can’t b the only one who thinks this is just utterly bizarre. I mean the whole thing kind of is. But these babies partying it up in the limo really threw me for a damn loop even more
"She can fight for herself." As soon as she said my name I would've bodied that dude.
It’s a shame that Cheyenne said she’s had “much worse grabs” in the past.
Chyanne is married to a lad whom became one off the most notorious biker gang whom dragged a woman’s baby off her and got sent to prison. But everyone said she is happy. Well he has led her a hard life
Hey she made her bed. Its part of the breeding. As my mother would say there was never an old stock without an old shoe.
Wait I need details
@@Neongummybearsshim and his brother robbed a woman by grabbing her toddler son and threatening to kill him
@@Magicme79 holy shit… 😳 why??? Was he on drugs???
This is a dumb question but since they often move into caravans after the wedding (even if they eventually move into a house to send their kids to school), where do they store their wedding dresses?
Just as a guess...they'd get sold or taken apart.
She can't even look him in the eye during their vows, and keeps laughing. It shows that she is far too young for what's going on. And neither of them look all that happy at the end of their vows. Even if it's a cultural thing to marry young, they really don't know what they're getting into and don't yet have the necessary emotional maturity for marriage.
Cheyenne ending up marrying the boy who grabbed her. It ended up being Josie’s brother. It was his sisters wedding.
I would never put someone’s culture down and truth be told I have much admiration for Travelers and Gypsies and their cultures and deep family roots. That being said WTF! The principal’s of the whole “grabbing” ritual is very F&$KED!! Teaching boys to grab a young girl and hurt her until she kisses you knowing that they said no and that their reputation will be tarnished because they were essentially for lack of a better word soft sexually assaulted is barbaric and pretty disgusting. To make matters worse (if that’s even possible) the girls think it’s acceptable and it means the boy likes you and what you want or think doesn’t matter because they don’t matter for anything but being a wife, mother,and maid. It makes me sad and I can understand why people look down at them and it’s a shame because there is a lot of beautiful traits to a traveler. Just my opinion.
The guy that at the end said he was supposed to be married half hour ago and still drinking that is so disrespectful just saying
Cheyenne ended up marrying the guy who grabbed her. They ended up with 3 children before her husband went to jail
4 kids and he’s out now
I just can't believe that this docu is about the real gypsys... cause nothing is traditional. Maybe some stuff like traveling but the big weddings dresses...
That grabbing shit needs to stop
What are you planning to do to change 30 generations of it ingrained into the culture?
@@anthonyhassett I said it needed to stop I never said I was going to be able to stop it
These poor girls!!! My daughter is 15, and she is focused on graduating from high school and becoming an ER nurse before she gets married. The idea of her even looking at me and saying she wants to marry someone before she turned 18 is horrifying.
They were having seizures all up on that dance floor 😂😂
Its called the "Rathkeale shake".
NO ONE GONNA TALK BOUT HOW THE DUDE WAS BEING RUDE ABOUT PAKISTANI PEOPLE AND CALLING THEM PAKIS AND CONTINUING TO LAUGH AT THEIR CULTURE AND WEDDINGS LIKE WTF
Yeah they’re behind us culturally… most of us anyway
I know. I'm disgusted. My parents are Pakistani's 😢
Wait what part of the video😭
The camera guy told him that was racist.
This show is just CRINGE.
@@_ammy_7708it’s funny, grow up