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Taylor Guitars "Spruce Torrefaction Process" - Video
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 มี.ค. 2015
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One of the most appealing characteristics of an acoustic guitar is the way its tone “opens up” as a result of the wood’s natural aging process and from being played. Torrefaction is a roasting process that helps accelerate the natural aging effects to give a new guitar a played-in sound. The process causes a natural chemical reaction in the cell structure of the wood, crystallizing the sugar content in a way that normally happens over a period of years. The result is less resistance in the wood, which means the top can be set in motion more easily from the vibrating strings.
We’re baking Sitka spruce tops for our new 600 Series in the Milling Department. Watch as Tyler gives us a glimpse into this Taylor Factory process.
Learn more about our newly redesigned 600 series at www.taylorguita...
Would've been better if the process had actually been explained...
cocaswa It is just baking with a fancy name... They baked the wood....
+cocaswa Would you expect Taylor to divulge their *exact* process?
My guess is that there's a very fine line between giving potential customers enough information to think intelligently on the matter (and perhaps do more research), and giving away too much information on their process...which I presume is proprietary. Certainly the concept isn't proprietary--but it's quite likely that their process is...or at least they consider it to be as such. So I'm fine without seeing each and every little detail, as I'm sure there is literature available for review elsewhere for that purpose.
The wood is baked in a vacuumed environment.
@@endezeichengrimm Not really
@@joelstatosky1817 Really baked.
You took thinly cut wood slabs, placed them in a metal rack, rolled the rack into a large metal box, shut the doors, and pushed and turned some buttons and knobs which appeared to have an effect on an l.e.d. panel. At an unexplained time interval, you removed a rack that looked similar to one that you put in a similar looking metal box, then showed us 2 pieces of wood. I learned nothing.
This is just marketing, did you expect them teaching their inner recipes? :)
what a lovely banjo tune in the background
Id like to see them build two guitars, both from the same slab of book matched spruce for the tops, both from the same original pieces of rosewood or what have you for the backs and sides, mahogany necks from the same piece as well and do this process to one top, and not the other. No finish put on the guitars whatsoever and lets HEAR the TONAL DIFFERENCE between the two guitars as well as the price difference for this process justifying it being done or is it a gimmick.
There is a Recording King video that does precisely that.
I am a guitar maker and have never heard of Torrefaction. So, after watching this video, I still don't know what it is. I would call what you did in this video, sanding the top surfaces, opening up the end grains, and perhaps slowly baking the tops like a kiln. An explanation would have been better. This video does not explain the process in any amount of detail at all. But clearly the Torrefied tops were darker in color. Useless video as it stands now. So unlike the good Taylor videos that are online.
***** You're dead on! There's a limit to what pictures can show, even to one who understands that the end grains are being exposed, and the "cabinet" into which the wood pieces are being inserted is an oven. How long are they being baked? At what temperature? At what humidity? And why? What changes in the cellular structure of the wood are being induced? And what effect does all of this have on the behavior of the tops and on the sound that they produce? A simple paragraph answering these questions, with no pictures at all, would have been more informative. But of course the viewer/listener would have to pay attention and think about the content being presented, instead of just sitting back and watching flickering images. How about more thinking, more information, and less image-gazing, Taylor?
***** Torrefaction is actually not a new or innovative technique. I believe Martin guitars, Gibsons and others played around with it. Surprised you never heard of it. I think Andy talked about the effect in one of his 600 series videos. It artificially ages guitar so even when its brand new, it sounds like a 10 year old guitar. It heats the wood at very high temperature ~300 degrees Celcius at low oxygen level so the wood doesn't catch on fire. Im guessing they are using the same technique. I heard guitars that go through this process are more resistant to humidity and temperature. I don't think how it changes cellular structure of the wood is relevant to guitar building. We don't care. Just that it sounds good. But I believe it breaks down cellulose and crystallize cellular interiors which is what happens when wood becomes very old
+david yang ...and I wouldn't expect Taylor to divulge the *exact* process specifications on the Internet, knowing how research-oriented they are in terms of trying to be innovative.
I took this video as a 20,000-foot overview of what is meant by "Torrefaction," and for what purpose it is performed.
I torrefy my own guitars at home by putting them in a hot oven with a pan of water, and bingo! They come out sounding 50 years older and I save a ton of money! The guitar even has a nice warm looking color to it and smells nice and toasty.
thehotsixer1 really? You dont really put the guitar itself right? You put in the ovem the wood to build the guitar. At what temp you put it? I really want to try
What temperature do you do this at?
About 450 for 2 hours should do it. Make sure you remove your strings first so they don't dry out and sound 50 years old too. Unless you play 50 year old music which would sound more authentic with the aged strings.
Hahaha...you really shouldn't do this to the general public ;)
@@mungo911 Oh.... Jerry you are soooooo correct! Did anyone ever watch a finger board being lifted by a Luthier or a bridge being removed? Most guitars are glued together with temperature sensitive glues. Coming apart comes to mind.
Shades of dance with me by America.
Is that oven a vacuum chamber?
Not sure exact definition of 'vacuum chamber' but since it's reaches super high temp, they have to remove all oxygen from the 'oven' otherwise the wood would go up in flames.
I took the Taylor factory tour and saw the workers putting eye roasts, turkeys and cookies in those same ovens!
Mike Brady hahaha
at which temperature they are torrefied?
What is the benefit of torrefaction?
Doug Jamieson My understanding is that it gives the wood a more aged sound. That's how it's been explained to me.
+Doug Jamieson It makes new wood sound like not-new wood, which is a very desirable effect to some people...me included. If you've ever played a 20 year-old instrument, you'll understand. According to the annotation there in the video, it has to do with crystallization of the sugars in the wood cells. My Botany courses were a LONG time ago, but the principle seems quite reasonable to me...
It's becoming very popular for electric guitar necks. They are baked/roasted(torrified) in an oxygen free oven. This draws all the moisture and impurities out of the wood along with collapsing the cells. The end result is a very stable neck that doesn't even require a finish.
I do wonder about the long term affects, will it be over brittle and crack longer term???
cool
Right, thanks for not explaining anything, Taylor... Waste of 2:11
Good thing there are many other videos that do bother to explain the interesting part.
As I heard about it, they actually cook the wood, to obtain a seasoning equivalent to decades of normal seasoning, with a particular modification of the wood structure, caused by the heat, that becomes lighter and stiffer.
Hmm... I wonder how Torrefied Sitka Spruce Top will sound compared to Non-Torrefied Sitka Spruce Top?
+Shivjot “Singh” Rangi Older.
Thank you +Tom B :)
LOL...
Sounds more like aged Sitka due to this artificial ‘break-in’ process which makes a soundboard Lighter,Stiffer & more stable to humidity/temperature changes.
why is 314ce so expensive?
arima44 high quality woods and high quality craftsmanship, plus business cost (made in America).
Er....what happened?
Haha, i thought the same; but as one comment says; Taylor has their own unique way they do it, like all companies have their "secret sauce"; so they probably don't want to divulge the info.
Talking about “authentic” or “vintage” sound: Back in the day the guitars were new and sounded not like they sound today. So if you are in search for that sound you know and love from your old records, you better DO NOT bake the woods!
It’s a big flaw in the logic here.
All you get if you bake a guitar is the sound of an old guitar, not the sound of old music. (??).
Besides: You buy an “already old” guitar that will decay ca. 30-60(?) years earlier. Congrats! 🤦🏼♂️
(Btw: Same thing goes for aging, only with looks).
I think that the vintage sound that we hear on old blues and ragtime recordings is due to the recording technology used at the time, to a good extent.
But I don't think that spruce would decay, even if baked. We have Stradivari violins aged 300 years that play wonderful.
Didn’t really show how to do it ....
No temp no timer no humidity reading etc
Bogus teaser video
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Well-thats all! The most simple thing of the world. But you can take 30% more money. Money for nothing.....🤣
Shades of dance with me by America.