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There is a game to life, you have to play it. Or you will get played. There is no opt out option.
Good work bro thanks for this vid
*unfortunate, unfair, often depressing, nice guys finish last, game to life... you do have to play it!
Unless of course, someone is lucky enough to just have everything handed to you in life.
being in the tech industry and loosing my livelihood a couple of times, I know what you are talking about. I feel what you trying to put out....its good to have a fall back option.
In one of his videos, Jordan Peterson states that life is not just *A* game, but a series of games. The best way to win in life is to not sacrifice the balance in your life all for one area.
Thanks Joshua, this video is Soo truee. I always felt alone about these thing, really appreciate you making these videos.
"Get a job, learn the skills, look out for yourself".
Going to keep that in mind.
I've honestly never thought of you as a negative person. You just say things how it is and how your personal experiences have shaped who you are. I'm honestly tired of seeing these Instagram-esque developers drinking coffee and doing more goofing off than coding or people straight up lying and drinking the corporate koolaid. When it comes down to it a job is a job, with it's ups and downs. Your employers are not always in your best interest and it shouldn't be wrong to point this out.
facts
Drinking coffee with ex-facebook ex-google ex-husband multimillionaire :)
@@dmitrypatriarkh9757 Shots fired at that Tech Lead 😂
@@dmitrypatriarkh9757 lmaoooo
Josh is right. Yesterday I was fired for no reason, I always did my job correctly, I put in the hours. Every week we would review my tasks and they would say it was fine, I almost always managed to do everything that was scheduled for the week.
But yesterday they let me finish something very hard that only I knew how to do, then they asked me what was left to do in the project and then said “We decided we don’t want to work with you anymore”, just like that, no warnings, no notice, I took my things and left.
I learned the hard way, so, you should all look out for yourself. Loyalty doesn’t exist, they’re loyal companies are only loyal to themselves. Also, they’re not your friends or your family, in the end, they just care about themselves.
And be aware, this seemed like a good place. They never micromanaged me, I had no fixed schedule, I never had any issues and really liked it, until they fired me, in a very rude way btw.
It’s not being negative, it’s reality.
You'll find a better fit for you man , they clearly didnt deserve having you , continue fighting this can only make you stronger in the future.
Corporate job is like marriage, they're all about love until you're unless to them.
Sorry bro, hope you find a better place
Then this other guy is like “... but if anything comes up, would you be willing to work by hours?” Yeah, because he knows they might need me any way. Well, no, fuck you now.
I did have another job but it’s just a 4 month contract until February. They didn’t like that either, even if it didn’t affect my performance at all.
Well, I predict their start up won’t stay in business past 2020 anyway, so there’s that.
So true. They just fire you, no notice.
Idk why I watch this channel. I'm a writer not a programmer.
Edit: it was a compliment obviously, I enjoy the content.
Javeria Yousuf you’re beautiful
He gives great life advance. Dev job or not
Any job can do that to you...even a food store
@@MishynOfficial thank you.
I was an power plant operator and now an water irrigator (provide water) for the city and I enjoy too haha
Great video
quote worth keeping in mind "Knowing how to MAKE a dollar not just RECEIVING one"
Know how to use the dollar is the main thing
I believe nowadays it's detrimental to your career to work for the same company for many years (mainly in the tech industry). Many companies (including startups) keep their outdated tech for years. It's not marketable to have just old tech on your resume. You gotta follow the trend and keep yourself up to date with new frameworks and programming languages that arise. If the company doesn't want to update their tech, leave them and get a better job.
There are people who learn just from listening to experiences.
There are people who only learn from their own experiences.
There are people who never learn.
Yes -- QUIT WORKING OVER TIME and EXHAUSTING YOURSELF EVERY DAY for other people. That's the one thing I regret - gave way too much time to my employer. The MORE you do the MORE THEY EXPECT YOU TO ***KEEP*** EXHAUSTING YOURSELF. And conversely, the less your teammates do, the less, and less, and less, they expect them to keep doing. You will get stuck doing all the work -- the hard work -- that no one else wants to touch and is critical path and will require over time and threats of weekend work. If you're in corporate america, force yourself to slack off a bit. Seriously. Burning-out for an unthankful employer that will lay you off in a heartbeat anyway, when the economy blows up, is not worth it. Meanwhile your slacking teammates are rested, healthy, have a lot more time with friends and family, SLEEP better due to less stress, will probably live longer, and are making only 10% less than you. NOT WORTH THE BURN OUT!!!
So true in my first job a made a mistake one day my boss was on my back for one week. In the end was fed up of his nagging so I confront him. He told me you do the work of 3 people alone and it's Always perfect I put my trust on you and for the over if they are there or not we don't see the difference long story short in the end I got 7% raise and more time to cool off
@@oligreenfield1537 I probably made $15K more a year than my co-workers, but it wasn't worth the stress, lost weekends, canceled plans, loss of sleep, the resentment I carried for my coworkers and boss, and loss of my health. I mean, what you gonna do with $15K when you're already making a lot of money to begin with? 1:1 heart-to-hearts with my bosses never worked. I flat out told my boss and co-workers quit coming to me for everything.
Agreed. I’ve been so focused on working that I barely take the time to exercise now. My body feels like crap
Show Me What I Need To Know you are it’s why I quit my job on marketing and become a freelance dev
@@oligreenfield1537 the fk you do work worth of 3 people and 7% is what they give you? This culture is so bullshit
“When someone give you a paycheck, your livelihoods is in their hands.” Most realest statement ever. I’ve experience life changes because employers decided to kick me to the curb and they don’t care. That’s why I strive to freelance and eventually build my own business so I can be financially independent on my terms not theirs.
I'm 23, hired a junior developer who's like 7 years older than me... software development can be cruel sometimes -- poor guy has a degree and stuff. he's been coding for 11 years now
Junior and coding for 11 years? Wdym?
@@fracasopina2121 people get caught in 'internship loops' -- one after another, making literally $30k/a
@@africa_explained_tv so true. I' m scared I'm gonna have to 'act' when I get into this industry now because I'm a super introvert but i'm also a very authentic person. We can all lie but I don't like pretending to be some loud mouth popular guy. IMO its because it's about being a loudmouth that so many people seem to get jobs after 3 months experience when we all know you cant learn shit in 3 months
@@africa_explained_tv Yeah thats what I think I know some guys that are now trapped on one of those loops. So sad I was about to get on that but I didnt accept it.
Pardon me, Could you explain more about internship loop ? I don't quite understand.
Thanks :)
Don't become a software dev. There are no jobs. They're looking for James Bond of programming. It's impossible to please their BS.
Thank you for speaking the truth, I was going through a rough time for 7 months being broke and being sent rejection email after rejection email, oftentimes the company just ghosts after a 2nd interview and it really put me down. I'm working now though, which is great, but oftentimes I hear people always talking about how great the IT industry is and how 'in demand' the jobs are but nobody ever talks about how hard it is to apply and get rejected over and over again.
I fell for the same scam as well. Enrolled for IT at university, learned an entire tech stack via self study, gained unrelated but considerable work experience on the way. Now it’s condescending automatically generated email after another. This obviously has affected my motivation and I am losing hope. I have no idea out of whose arse was the idea pulled that IT staff are in high demand; it’s the positions which are. We are the rats racing for the scraps as a result. No company is willing to invest into a highly motivated and dedicated student bursting with potential but the same CEOs will bitch on LinkedIn about a lack of qualified personnel within the workforce. You see “entry level” positions with the gall to demand years of experience with laughable, if not depressing pay which you won’t even receive given the guarantee of rejection anyway.
"Those are the good companies. The ones that are not loud about it!' - absolutely right.
He who yells "I am not the devil!" the loudest - is probably the devil.
I wouldn't say you're negative, you're just being real, which is the main reason why I enjoy your content. Keep those videos coming!
Understanding this at 18 made me drop of engineering school...now i'm about to graduate law school...i made the right decision thank God ( i'm not American). But i came to realize farming is the best job and the real one...if you don't make money you at least have what to eat lol
But only if you grow edible crops.
@@aleaf355 yes of course
I agree, farming would be my go to if I have an option.
problem with farming is that most farmers are up to their necks in debt to the agricultural combine and the bank, the companies that provide them their seeds, chemicals, medication, equipment, and money to buy or lease their land.
And then they are dependent on government subsidies to prevent being thrown from their land for not paying their loans when they have a bad harvest, or their animals die in a drought or due to a disease, or simply because prices for their products slump due to changes in demand.
Yes, ideally farming is a nice job that feeds yourself and your family even if you can't sell your product.
In reality though, farming is a high stress, low margin, job with extremely long hours and extremely unpredictable income, income not at all determined by your actual work but utterly by external factors you as a farmer have very little if any control over.
Each season you need to gamble on what to plant, hoping your decision will lead to optimal yield and price come harvest time.
And then it's hoping, fingers crossed, that the weather works well for the crops you chose, and that the market is there for those crops when you harvest them.
That's if you're not locked into 20+ year contracts for a specific product where the buyer gets to decide each year not just how much they will buy but how much they're going to pay for it and you have no choice but to deliver, even if it's at a loss.
Career in tech changed my life. Regardless of its pitfalls, and yes there are quite a few. It pays very well and good skills = market power. There will always be more code than there are coders. And that is powerful position to be in.
People say I complain too much as well. Most of the time they just disagree with what I said and want it to sound worse than it was. Ignore them bro. Great content all around man. Like I said before, you honestly got me into coding so props to you Josh.
When you mentioned leasing a car, you touched on something in the video which I feel needs way more attention. The reason a lot of people will take any job that they can get their hands on is due to the fact they are two paychecks away from going broke. You put a lot of emphasis on the fact that companies can just fire you spontaneously with no reason in this video, and this is why people need to budget. Have AT LEAST 2-3 months of living expenses saved up at all times. This is quite easy actually, have a paid-off car, don't get more house/apartment than you actually need. Don't go to starbucks every morning before you go to work (that alone will save you ~$900/year), etc, etc. Because when you have that FU money, you can be more selective when it comes to your next job IF your employment comes to an abrupt end.
Another thing, even though I am QA now, I was a truck driver in my previous life and still have my CDL (even though I haven't driven in ages). I keep it just in case push comes to shove. Worst case scenario, I suck it up, jump on a truck for 2-3 months long haul, save up money, get back in the grind.
Completely based
A large part of why companies can jerk people around so much is because barely anyone keeps themselves out of a vulnerable position financially. Save money and you won't have to ruin your life accepting terrible jobs and working habits.
These values alone will also help to raise salary outcomes across the board.
I happened to experience this with some of my ex-workmates. They worked, they never complained. They both suddenly resigned after 2-3 years and in the final farewell lunches I learned from both of them each, that they keep on searching for better opportunities every week.
And when a perfect timing comes, they grab this opportunity.
This reminded me of the two guys when you started to talk about this in the video. It is true! It is an every day situation that some people do keep track of applying and selling themselves regularly, but they do it silently and they do not scream it out loud.
Yeah for sure 100% don't start exposing your ideas now
It's NOT MY JOB to make the company "profit"...that's the responsibility of the Managers and Directors.
MY JOB is to produce results which are the Best I can produce, and to identify and report upon problems I cannot solve. Anybody who has a problem with that, is irresponsible and probably on the verge of personal elimination (i.e. base jumping without a parachute...)
I've never taken you as a pessimistic person, Josh. I understand that you try to help others into understanding how this vicious industry works. Many, maaany so called senior "smart-pants" developers / IT guys just won't understand that this field is full of things that evolve and disappear way, way faster than you can even understand, much more rapidly than in any other industry. Empathy is fading out in the entire world, it's ridiculous how many arrogant, entitled "developers" you find out there now a days (hi there, stack overflow lol), and on top of that you have 100 lives of knowledge to learn. So, personally, thank you for your videos, man. Keep it up.
I've never hated or seen you as a negative person or a complainant!!!. I love straight shooters and you are one bro!! Keep doing what you do...not everyone is worth saving!!!
*_You gotta hustle for your dreams_*
Don't expect it to just come one day
If you wait for success to come, you will be waiting up to your death-bed, because it never comes to you, it waits for YOU to come get it.
Beautiful video.
I'm 24 and this shit scares the fuck out of me.
Keep making good videos like this one! :)
You're saying literally everything i feel in the beginning man i really got chills...im working night shift with a lot of physical work and a shitty salary and the only way out i can think of is to invest in me by getting a degree in programming...but I am also scared i wont be able to make it or that it won't be as i expected it...the stress is real since i got no father and im trying to take care of my grandparents also..idk man life is hard but we gotta try something to make it.I don't even why I'm sharing all this but i hope that all of You out there that feel the same don't give up, there's gotta be a future for us too.🖤
How's it going now? I'm teaching myself webdev, give it a shot if you haven't yet! You can do it. I unload trucks all day so I know how you feel. Tired of beating my body up for pennies
@@Loki_Dokie exactly bro we gon make it!Just gotta go through the process and it takes some time
@C E yes sir, I got Brad Traversy html/css and js from the beginning courses the other day, he's a great teacher. I know a bit of html already but I'm starting again just so I can refresh real quick. I'm ready to dive into JS but I need to get the others out of the way first :)
Godspeed!
Keep it real, don’t apologize. I love your candor about the realities of the corporate world, especially for Devs. People who give you a hard time haven’t been crapped on by a company. Yet. Period. I have been a contractor/consultant most of my career, except for a few years here and there with a few of the “good” companies. Good companies become bad very quick with the constant buyouts and mergers...
When you work in the tech industry for many years you realise that most companies will exploit you if you let them especially when you're starting out in your career. When you're a developer, you don't have to be someone's employee in order to make a living. It's important that people know that as a developer, you have a valuable skill that can give you a lot of freedom to work the way you want to. I've been a developer for 6 years now but I would say now is the best time to be a developer and I plan to try making my own company and do remote contract work.
Nothing is secure, a job might give you a sense of security but it might be gone tomorrow. You can only trust yourself, your experience and the skills you develop. Thanks for the video!
I'm a software engineering major, thank you so much for this video. I have my first internship interview tomorrow, and I think this video game me some clarity. I like to code and I'm pretty good at it, although I worry its not my passion. What I really love to do is to help and inspire people on an intimate level, but I'm starting to think that its possible to combine the two. Anything's possible, really. Maybe.
Would you recommend software engineering major over computer science? I heard computer science is only 3 years whereas software engineering is harder than Comp. Sci and lasts 4 years, is that true that it's harder?
@@thatoneuser8600 idk if youre still active and youre probably already moving into college but it really depends on the school. Computer science is typically more low level that will put you into the field of OS, drivers, VMS, computing optimization, game engines (think rendering less physics), either in industry or academia, mainly developer facing stuff. Where as software engineering you make software that is consumer facing like browsers, apps, websites, games and you use the tools that comp sci people make to make stuff.
Imagine it like a mechanic shop, comp sci ppl are the engineers that design mills, screw drivers, assemblers. And SE people use those to make machines/cars that is sold to the masses.
You are one of the wisest TH-camrs. If people complain about your content, it just means they haven’t been through much in life.
7:15 This is amazingly common... Many have amazing projects and experiences in their history... But future employers can't understand what you did and why it was important. There's no way to explain some valuable experience in 7 words on a resume.
you look very handsome in the thumbnail.
no homo
He hit genetic lottery, he can be slayer to chicks, if you have it, use it, time flyes....
@@Art-talk I bet some incels would disagree
@@alb12345672 On looks? I am straight, have no problem acknowledgeing when somebody looks great. Some in incell community (usually black pill) are so in dark place that would claim that this guy is at best 5 in looks, that's different matter... Strange times... On a different note, youth passes, his father is also attractive man, but in age, nothing lasts, like I said, use it when you have it, life is brutal for all. Cheers.
@@Art-talk Exactly. Many "incels" turn out to be reasonably looking, as good as or better than him , but self sabotage. And you are right, people have to take advantage of what they have and not procrastinate. Looks are ephemeral.
@k k whatever kid ...
Am 22, entering into the industry, and I already miss being a kid already. Ignorance was bliss, laughing and playing was the only thing I had to do before. Now, life is a battle, and it will be until I die.
"Once more into the fray, into the last good fight I’ll ever know. Live and die on this day, live and die on this day" - The gray
Bro if you don't like it, change ur job. die for something you care about. If nothing comes to mind, then work for survival and find and do things on the side until you find something you like then hopefully switch to that.
This is why we watch this channel Josh. Keep it real, feelings come and go but the effects of a sudden layoff stay.
“They don’t know how to make a dollar, only how to receive a dollar”
"Make a dollar vs receive a dollar" man thats freakin billion dollar phrase, thank you man
I love this. I just graduated december 2018 and still looking for a job. However, began having a feel of everything you just said before watching this
As an old-timer, I vouch for what you said 6 minutes to the end. All true.
Apple and Google have the philosophy of NIH! I've worked at both companies, in different tech capacities!
this may be 3 years old but this is a good topic to touch upon. you're right about unpaid meetings being loyalty tests
When you don't work in a young, dynamic team for a week...
The background music is a mood
Always.
Josh, You know who is really scared of losing their job, do you know who has the least confidence getting another Job: Middle management. For a Mid/Senior level developer it is very easy to find a job. (At least in California) For a middle manager it is really hard to get another job. There is already a huge demand for developers after you have 3 years of experience. But a manager already lost his technical skills. And on top of that, the culture from one company to another could be totally different. At one company your action such as micro-management could be praised, in another company it is frowned upon. In one company the manager could just be non technical, in another they have to be very technical. I know quite a few people who regret becoming managers.
You're just acting as a real person, you're not negative. The big corporations want people to live to work for them, all the big names(Facebook, Amazon, Google) are endorsing this "code 24/7" way of life that is extremely unhealthy. With your channel i learned that it's ok to only code 8hrs a day, then go home and do something else and actually live my life, and i've been feeling much better since then.
Holy smokes, Josh! I had to turn your video off half way through because I had a difficult time handling the magnitude of truth you share! But you just helped me figure out that skill I was missing. Not understanding ICC, "Inverse Corporate Cronyism,"...you get the idea!
Dude the low pay for junior dev jobs is pathetic!!!!!!! Pathetic
Great video as always Josh. I am very lucky to be in the kind of company you described - HR doesn't post cringy posts on Linkedin about minor perks that no one really cares about. Instead we have detailed descriptions of jobs, with a salary range, and we try to be very open and honest in interviews. Of course, I try not to get too comfortable and make sure that I get compensated and treated well enough :D
That’s awesome! Glad you found a good company, there aren’t many companies out there like yours
I think young Josh has a perfect grasp of reality. Nice work.
I'm 23 and got my first junior dev job at a startup, hope it'll be ok for me
It broke my heart, when they decide to let me go. because it was a strategic business decision. :(
Speaking the truth i quit job searching in 2017 been doing my own thing ever since its hard but i know one day it will be worth it i don't need a corporate job or someone telling me what to do. I understand where your coming from Josh i wish you would interview me someday i would do it for free to explain my side of the story about applying for tech roles these days. Your not negative at all just speaking from the heart that's all.
(The people living the corporate world don't get it)
Keep up the great work.
I lost my job yesterday and I came to TH-cam looking for something which can make me feel better and this video did the job. Everything he said is so true.
I think your real. I am a new Software Engineer and relate to your message.
Wtf does this video have to do with jr developers. Waste of my time clicking this
My 5 year tenure as a software engineer (1992-1997) turned out to be a nightmare for me... my salary never got out of the 30's and i wound up quitting. It still today affects me negatively.
@Estelle Chlorophille I work in healthcare sales. I often think of going to a coding camp and making one last run at coding..
These ads are fkin next level
Thank you Josh, I have been watching you before I learnt to code and now with 1year+ experience as a web developer. I have learnt so many things about corporate and software developer life. Your advices saved me from being abused in workplace and thought me what to expect from employer. I am not having bad job, but I still feel it is important to know the unspoken truth about dark side of corporates.
So many people think working in IT is the shit when it's really just utter shit.
I think all fields have their own issues, there is no ideal job.
Doctors: lots of stress and a very long difficult path to actually becoming a doctor.
Petroleum Engineers: very susceptible to the world oil prices, the jobs can be located in the middle of nowhere.
Auditors: boring as fuck from what I have heard.
Chemical Engineers: see Petroleum Engineers.
Software Engineers: the industry changes very fast, and the field is getting saturated too.
You have to be a slave to the art, not the trade. Use your job to make as much money as you can, but don't have any illusions about it.
First thing i watched after waking up today. It's amazing how you-tubers are filling up most important gaps in my life.
Well said man. I feel the same way!
I love you man, You're advices are honest and what you are saying I've experienced the same
Military life does a lot to prepare yourself for the corporate life. Especially if you aren't a typical lifer.
The tech industry needs unions...if even just for job securities sake. It's become like the trades, you're really never safe if you're hired onto some random company, the contract could last for 3 years or 3 weeks, who the hell knows.
It's why I'm choosing to look into being an electrician rather than a programmer...programmers are paid more currently, but since they have similar job instability, at least electricians have the IBEW in their court if they're smart.
Hey Josh, this was a great video, very fair, balanced, all I can say is that I wish that I knew more people in this field who have the ethics and consideration of others that you do.
Happy Thanksgiving
That just what I need right now. My CEO told he won't pay salary this month now my Christmas is ruined
It's stuff like this that inspires me to keep studying tech (networking, programing, security, ect.) so I can escape retail before my 10 year mark in retail.
without watching this video I would just like to say that my experience so far that I cannot get a jr dev job without at least 2-3 years of internships AKA volunteering work cuz don't get paid
God bless you
For your work.
You are awesome
This guy is talking straight facts! I’ve worked in the Federal Government doing Software Engineering for over 10 years and take heed to literally every word this guy says in this video.
I had to pause the video after his comment about leasing a car and depending on the company to pay for that car. I needed to immediately type this comment to explain how real his words are. Companies are NOT your family. Always place yourself above the company
Not gonna lie, I subscribed like 3-4 days ago, and then unsubscribed like a day or 2 later because I realized you're disgruntled lol. I don't want that mentality rubbing off on me so I had to unsubscribe. Other than not wanting your mentality to rub off on me, I think you're a great person overall.
You do you
Thats true, Looking for job is harsh, especially when You must find new one, and You dont have any other job.
I am the kind of person who likes working jobs. I only have one correction to make: when they say it's optional, it doesn't mean it's optional. It's a test to see how PLIABLE you are. I'll go if I'm interested. I OWN my own life.
I'm so happy this channel exist. For a long time I bought into the company cult & as I watched Josh's channel I was able to notice all of the toxic things he speaks about. I remember being fired, for doing my job, & being so emotional about it, I've since removed the emotions from my work decisions & I think this makes my supervisor angry when I decline extra work, I can see it in their faces & I smile with an apology that I dont mean & go home when the day is done. Thank u J.
Seeing someone at my job just get fired for the most ridiculous reason perpetuates in me that never ending fear that my job can be taken right out from under me at any time with no warning.
Hey man. I gave you shit before for always being negative. I only just now saw this video and I see where you’re coming from. I exaggerate too, but I didn’t even think about where you’re coming from. So I wanna apologize and say thanks man. I got a tech job that promised me this and that and 3 months into it, none of that happened. I hate my job.
That t-shirt compliments your eyes...ohhh and good advice too
Seems to me like developers like to make money solving problems. But they never solve the right problem, the problem of money. They work really hard to solve someone else’s problem and make someone else rich. They take home a small portion of the profits and go home thinking they’ve really achieved something. Then they’re supplementing their incomes making TH-cam videos and teaching mentorship courses. For a smart group, developers seem to be very confused laborers.
This isn't something software engineers deal with....everyone deals with this. I just got let go after 20 years farming for a chicken company. This is a part of life. Need to get over it.
Loyal to two things in the world
Loyal to my paycheck and my family. Never let an employee push you around. But don't be a dick to them
Real ones understand real ones...Thanks for the reminder!!Wish the best..
Great Vid Josh...some real real talk here.. you’re an entrepreneur.. so am I .. you’re just way further ahead then me I need to pay the bills and coding - well it’s providing me an opportunity as a stepping stone to greater things.. and I like the respect given.. .. I owned a painting business, however it wasn’t the type of entrepreneurial job I wanted to do in the long run. Hard in the body... so I got into coding back in March .. I’m just on my first internship now , learning as much as I can.
I like when you add code in your channel to your old fans that got into your channel for coding.
And I guess I’m an ultimate fan, as I have the entrepreneurial mindset with the coding - you won’t catch me signing My life away or going up a path to learn a technology owned by the company... and have to thank you for making awareness for that..
Okay long post just really liked the real ness in this vid
"this should be written somewhere"
The reason it's not is because it would be against the interests of the people publishing this information.
I've been trying for the last 3 years.. I work in construction during the day, at night I take software engineering classes, sleeping 2 to 4 hours a night, I stopped training my body by training my mind, my muscles faded between my skin, I ended up in the hospital and even Now I suffer from heart disease, probably due to stress and lack of sleep, is it worth it?.. I haven't give up yet,
It mostly does. The pay is good. It also has its downsides. For me the hard part is not the boring one for some people (the actual coding). The hard part is being suddenly unemployed, the backstabbing, the ego fights with some duche bag who claims he is “senior” but his code is horrible all the time, the constant update with the new technologies, all that people always trying to implement the next shiny thing, even if what we have works perfectly fine, and also the stress for so many unwanted meetings about crap I don’t care at all, the constant messages asking for many little sh1ts and constantly removing me from my concentration point, the pretentious pricks speaking jargon about things they don’t know sh1t, the over engineering of very simple things, the disrespect from some developers who thinks they are better and the rest of us are garbage, the bully managers, the constant distraction of bosses asking for things I don’t work with as my job is to develop, not to do advertising, and the list goes on and on and on, until the infinity and beyond. All that,…that’s the hard art. The good part is the paycheck and the de-stressing pleasure of actually coding (IF you like that), and also not having to deal with cruel customers ever, if you have a pass of working in retail or food industry.
All you do is complain Josh, all you do is whine about things, whine about corporate...
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Title is misleading, 11 minutes TH-camr talk for what?
Man. Wtf happened to this channel. This old content is so much better. This guy has really lost his mind and gone off the rails recently.
The reality to this is that most are bullshit jobs with clown employers I also met a clown today who thinks fintech is limited to banking and money lending
Very True! Thanks Joshua
U are a blessing to us junior devs by God
From my experience, junior dev. does not mean you are a beginner who is still learning. That's what the job title suggests however. You're expected to know very well your stuff (such as JS and the frameworks the employer is using), you're expected to work autonomously and deliver fast enough, BUT you will be paid a rather low salary. Essentially, junior is HR jargon to mean : you're paid less. If you still have a lot of things to learn on the job, even if you're a "fast learner", they will kick you out sooner rather than later.
About the corporate environment, what I reproach is all the ping pong table and free beers BS. Employers market their business with all these perks, and that leaves an applicant a false impression that working there is cool and relax, that you can sit all day with your laptop on a bean bag while listening to music. No, this is complete BS. The corporate environment is at least as harsh as in any other industry. The office politics is the same, the back stabbing works the same way, the unwritten rules are the same. Actually, at a startup it's worse, because for some reason, startups have tighter deadlines, and a high pressure to deliver from investors. So, yeah, for a junior dev at a startup, it's real tough. And putting in 12h of work per day is not gonna help, because your mastery in dev does not have a linear relationship with how many hours of work you put in.
I've seen people with 8-10 years of experience being interviewed. They were asked simple algorithmic questions such as how to go from this : [1,2,3,4] to this : [2,4,6,8], and answer : you multiply the first array by 2. No kidding. Yet, these dudes somehow managed to get 10 years of experience, and I (or you) who have done all the FCC exercises, the hackrank exercices , built a portfolio and stuff, and are told : you're not the right candidate.
I personally came to the conclusion that the way to go in the dev industry is to build your own business. Like, build an actual app, that DOES make money. This will be highly regarded if you aim at getting a job at google/facebook. And if not, well, you don't care, you have your own business now.
I agree with a lot of what you said.
aLL your videos are sad , with sad music , sad lighting .
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Well that's just business Josh, you understand it's an agreement between the employee and the employer and your job is...
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It's business, no doubt, but no need for companies to try to get you to act all buddy buddy and create corporate cringe moments
You forgot to use your sarcasm extension method. Fired
I've been laid off, screwed over, not paid, and let down a multitude of times in this industry. Sometimes with severely life-altering effects.
Nothing you say has been wrong so far that I have seen in my experience since 2004.
The IT industry is that bad ? I almost went into IT from college before the .com collapse.
@@gl5616 Oddly enough, "IT" I think is OK-ish in terms of stability. The people that set up and manage accounts in enterprise systems, etc. Set up access levels, do security audits, do remote session tech support, etc. The pay isn't too great unless you get to management, but the stability is usually there.
This is a different sector of technology than "software", which I have seen screw people time and again. I've also seen it make people rich and/or fulfilled, but I've seen a lot more chasing that dream than living it. And I've also seen CTO/CEOs/presidents make more from the software devs than the devs ever made from their paycheck, so I don't think in most areas (at least in the US) the industry is very healthy. In my hometown you generally make a blue collar wage for white collar student debt as a developer.
I saw a company advertising a "senior graphic designer" which required 3-4 years of experience, reports to the EVP of marketing, needs to know video and audio design, leads a team of 5-6, and gets paid 24k a year. That's about $12 an hour (but SALARY, so you better be working when it's CRUNCH TIME!) That's not software. That's not IT. But it's a good example of how certain areas and their industries are certainly out of touch with reality.
@@idegogame181 are startups different tho
@@thanhvinhnguyento7069 Depends on the startup. The first (and only) one I worked for directly ran into money problems half a year in and then didn't pay me for a month so I quit. I can't speak for others. Often startups will offer the potential for cashing out with stock options in the future, while paying you little and making you work crunch time often, but if they go belly up before then, you'll never see those promised stock options from an IPO. Theoretically they could make you rich, it's just unlikely. You probably want to work for something more established, especially if you're new to development. That way you can learn from pros.
@@idegogame181 but pros can be anywhere right?
"Look out for yourself" the advice only gave me as a developer
The reality is, you are making them 5-10 times the amount they are paying you
You are not doing a disservice. Keep up the good work.
Really hit home. Love it brother. Keep it up ♥️🤘