In Ireland we had a citizens assembly to learn all we could before the abortion referendum we heard in the news everyday what they discussed then the assembly made a recommendation on the vote. You guys rushed into this at the very least I hope you've learned to get all information first then vote.
I live in the Eastern USA. Do ya know I'm such a fan of Mr. James O'Brien that I set my alarm for 4:45 a.m., put the kettle on for my tea, turn on my computer, and settle down for three hours to listen to the wisdom that comes from this man's mouth. Awesome! James, if you ever read these posts, just know that you are a very welcome person in my home. Thank you for being you.
I am slovak living in Slovakia. Never been living in Uk. My slovak friends moved back to Slovakia this week after 12 years from Uk.David theirs son, for him was UK home, he is 11.I listen LBC every day James's program and others.As a gift I got copy of the new book of James today. They bought for me. I couldnt be more happy. But, Today they were first day in slovak school!!! He doesnt speak slovak well. After he sad, WHATEVER you do I will always stay british and I will always speak english. Thats your brexit thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@davidharrop9984 thank you David its very kind of you Realy thanks from my heart. Maybe one day you would like visit Slovakia. You can find me on Facebook (city Ruzomberok, Slovakia) then I can send you more details.Cheap fllights, beautifull mountains,super skiing resorts, fantastic cheap accomondation in austrians Alp style, fantastic food. They fly from Luton to Poprad direct. I can even pick you up and your family and take care of good accomondation for you. Slovak people are with opened heart. As my grandmother sad,, a guest to the house is a God to the house.
@@davidharrop9984we have even more in summer here. I dont know if you know but Slovakia has the most hot mineral sourses in the world. Hot spa, wellness, just relax. Very busy summer winter, whole year. I Live in the touristic area. Last remark, I wish UK stay with us in the EU, you are nation who had always enlightened ideas. I lived and study in USA, I love Europe, Croatia see, Italy, Spain Greece, I had offers, but Europe is my home. I wish so much UK come back to the table and make together things better. MRS. Gina Muller has in UK campaign,, Lets lead not leave,, I think when I am correct.
A lot of people get annoyed with James O'Brien and call him all sorts of things, there are even near on death threats to him on some of his you tube videos , the man knows what he is talking about and is very knowledgable and educated and that gets the ill informed and not so educated ruffled and angry, its very easy to get brexiteers angry , they will shout and argue to the most calm discussion on the whole topic of the UK's exit from teh EU..... JamesO'Brien , top man ...
I didn’t vote either way, I know some leave voters, they voted because they were unhappy with regional inequality, globalization and austerity. Now tell me how a middle class privately educated “journalist “ like James O’Brien can relate to them? One way.? Answer is he can’t. James O’Brien is the epitome of a self promoting champagne socialist.
He tells them what they do not want to hear. Obviously financially the EU has benefitted the UK, in a lot of ways the people have benefitted from the EU. It is valid to be against mass immigration but you need to put everything in the proper perspective and not be stupid and deny the obvious. The UK can survive outside of the EU, but it will cost money, you need to make deals and compromises. It will not be walk of glory, but instead the UK will be trying to crawl out of a minefield. That is the reality and that is what people are rejecting.
Hey James. How's you? Got a house Got money Got a platform What do you not have ? What do you know that you don't know James?? Hey James, so many people now need more than one lifetime to achieve no debt no profit . And why ? Come on James Try thinking
Spinler Muckflitt you have no idea what you are talking about. I can assess you very low level of IQ by the garbage you spout. You are also racist, xenophobic, completely unable to understand either politics or economics, and you are gullible to the nth degree. Have a nice day.
@@lynneceegee8726 I understand your annoyance but your comments do highlight a well worked perception of those who voted to leave which I find insulting and quite arrogant. At the time of the referendum the choice was to stay or leave full stop, right or wrong people spoke and this nation is more than capable of working through the difficulties that may lay ahead. It was bankrupt in 1945 yet created the NHS and the nuclear umbrella that has kept Europe at peace.
@@lynneceegee8726 So twenty years as a Nurse means nothing.. Well I say again I do not see to your doom and gloom perspective but as I said we have an excellent record in our hospital that speaks for itself. Things were a lot worse when I started and some trusts are badly run and need fixing. Waste and purchasing are the biggest eaters of money in a lot of places IE Gloves £28 from one supplier or £4.from another as in our case. Drugs companies are no better than cartels and need raining in. I go to work every day happy that I have the tools to do my job if I were unhappy I would leave. You obviously have issues that must be fixed I wish you luck..
@@marksouthall4508 No, there is only leavers and remainers who see things differently. Neither is wholly right nor wrong. It is all a matter of what people's own perceptions of the value EU that forms their opinions. As we are leaving the country must now move on and make a success of the new situation. The UK will still be a friend, strong ally and continue to trade with our EU neighbours as we have done for centuries.. Let's be honest if the EU are not exacting powers over us as some suggest it will not be a problem for them to let go and create a new and lasting relationship with us.
No. JRM did not. He didn't know anything about Good Friday agreement. He did not understand how quality control works. He didn't answer the questions. Just gave his rhetoric.
How do you elect the European commission? How do they decide which laws to pass? How do you oppose any laws passed by the commission when EU laws supersede National laws?
I have explained this many times to Leavers. Faced with the facts of the matter there are two responses, 1. Violent abuse or 2, a counter argument based on rubbish about the EU being unelected, or a Nazi organisation. For that reason I think it best Leavers do their own research instead of repeating word for word the lies they love. Explaining the very democratic processes of the EU so many times only to receive a tirade of abuse has become too much trouble for me to bother. You can easily find out for yourself.
I have only come across James O`Brien today by accident - and have been watching clips with him on TH-cam for the last 2 hours. Very impressive! I just wished he´d get some speaking time in the House of Commons!
LazyJack2003 Same here. I think what I most admire is his dogged pressing home of his very simple Socratic questioning, refusing to move on or to give up as most interviewers do and blandly to gloss over the most outrageous illogical claims which are based on nothing more than ignorance and bigotry - as if all opinions are equally valid. How often in course of the interviews do we hear callers say ‘well that’s just your opinion and not mine’ as if all opinions carry equal weight and, as such, sacrosanct personal beliefs. Of course, in this dogged pursuit, he exposes to broad daylight the ill-founded and fallacious viewpoints of others. This results in he is vehemently hated by many, as comments here reveal only too readily. Nobody appreciates their ‘side’ being made to look foolish, although there are some callers who are oblivious to this having happened. I also think that what he says about not being beholden to anyone is extremely pertinent.
adscri I’m not a leave voter....but I do come from a leave area. An impoverished, de-industrialized area. Explain to me how a middle class privately educated London dwelling James O’Brien has any more in common with me than a Rees Mogg or David Davis? He doesn’t.
@@nebulaaah JOB voted for Johnson as London mayor, if Johnson had lost that election there's no chance he'd have been PM for the last 4 years.....JOB is a con man and a chancer, he and JRM have more in common than you would ever admit
@@Chris-oz9qx JOB regularly admits that he voted for Johnson in 2008, and admits that he was fooled. What on earth does JOB have in common with JRM? And how is he a conman and a chancer?
May I suggest this feeling (21:00) comes from the homelessness we see on the streets every day and the two-tier education system that dooms all that comes from a disadvantaged background to low pay, or front line infantry soldier who hopes to learn a trade but ends up as one of the homeless rough street sleepers we see on the street every day! One of the problem leavers face from remainers, is that they can take the high moral ground, and say we have a duty to help economic migrants, do we not have a duty to help our own first? They can say this as they are not affected by the issues of mass immigration!
But these are ALL things that were problems before we joined the EEC. These are all problems which stem from the class based institutions of the UK which were created by and stand to serve the established elite and Upper classes who have always controlled this country. How does voting the make the country poorer held anyone? How does electing someone like Boris Johnson, the very epitome of an upper class establishment figure who hasn't lived a single day in the real world, help to address any of that which you mention? It doesn't. It just worsens the problem. Just look at the proliferation of food banks across the country; there are now more of them than McDonald's, and that has all come about under successive Conservative governments. The people who create the problems you deplore are the very people the British electorate empower!
Can we cut to the chase... If Brexit goes through we lose the current trade agreements we have with the EU and others. On that day what we have inside of Britain other then for very few products, is all we've got till we can renegotiate EVERYTHING. According to the minister responsible for trade, 44% of British trade is with the EU. and on top of that in recent years it has increased in actual value by 14%. Ive been listening to people who own companies in Britain and even now trading with the EU is just barley manageable now. Should we leave the the EU it will be very difficult to re-establish EU trade as the other members of the EU will have taken our segment that WE GAVE UP. The Bank of England says Brexit would cause a deep recession for years. The whole world is in a down turn currently, we need to protect what we have now to get through. Britain could easily become a mere shadow of what we have today.
This wouldn't be the same Bank of England that predicted the collapse of our economy the day after Brexit. Thinking of exports what about Imports from Europe, for instance 750.000 German cars or 100 million bottles of proseco. You see profit and jobs will dictate any trade tariffs set by the EU. By the way 90 percent of British businesses dont export. Things can only be difficult if the EU want them to be. Turkey, Norway and Canada for instance have very good arrangements with the EU. If they start to squeeze us then they will find EU industries on their backs. I find it sad that so many people have no faith in their own country.
@@redicderldavis Yeah. All those businesses that have been relocating to the UK in the past 3 years... oh wait. It's the other way around. And it's accelerated every time a no-deal Brexit became more likely. We might have a dip in growth after you leave. But we'll be fine in the long term. Our combined GDP has been catching up to the US for decades. But this Brexit ordeal has further unified the rest of us. So thanks for that. 🇳🇱 🇪🇺
@@NLTops You are obviously unaware that last year the UK received more foreign inward investment than at any other period in our history and that trend is continuing so we obviously are worth investing in. Our unemployment rate is at its lowest for over 40 years.and Jaguar are to build their new electric cars here and we have no trade deal with the USA yet we maintain a healthy trade surplus with them You are obviously not grasping the fact we are the biggest export market for the EU £340+ Billion a year. and nearly 60% of our exports are outside the EU. infact 85% of our GDP has nothing to do with the EU.. We have traded with the world for hundreds of years and that will continue. What you do not understand is money talks and bullshit walks. You are a defeatist led by remoaners nonsense and I recommend the following blockbuster.... "based on lies, fraud, didn't understand, crash out, cliff edge, not binding, catastrophe, no medicines, no food, peoples vote, stop Brexit, revoke article 50, fascist” Please add your own for the new "Whingers Quotations" book, out on Nov 1st (only word missing is Democracy)
@@redicderldavis If you've won the coveted prize, why are you so angry? ^^ Oh I see, you're just blowing smoke. Not uncommon. I'm actually looking forward to Brexit Day. Because I don't live in the UK and it's going to be fun to watch those arrogant grins to dissapate. ^_^
I was in the gym the other day doing dead lifts and some smug git comes up to me telling me what I'm doing is dangerous! and recommending I change my 'form', just to show him I did the opposite, ha, that was one in his eye. He was kind enough to help me into the ambulance though, so maybe he wasn't all bad.
@@redicderldavis I was trying to make the point that just because someone is smug doesn't mean they are wrong nor that they don't care or have respect for you. The people lying to you and pretending to be your friend are the ones who, typically, think you deserve it.
One is a factual statement, the other is nonsensical yelling just to prove a point. Go on and keep yelling until what you "think" works. It won't. Ever.
Apart from every argument for and against Brexit there were and still are, fundamental unaddressed aspects to the whole membership referendum of 2016, namely: 1: Constitutional amendments require more than a simple majority. Why this larger majority? Because these are laws that influence the most laws in the country, affecting the most people. In the case of a Brexit, this would have an even bigger impact (none knows how big, which is even more frightening) than one constitutional amendment, which is why the referendum should've been AT LEAST 2/3 MAJORITY, for it to justify taking a major turn towards Brexit after being in the EU for over 40 years. 2: The referendum was set to have zero, ZERO, legal power; it was just an opinion poll, (partially) to see whether the government had to push harder to renegotiate the asylum system for the entire EU. Fundamentally, there is no justification for Brexit to happen the way it has, whether you're a Leaver or a Remainer. You fundamentally don't make decisions with this large an impact based on an opinion poll with a simple fucking majority.
The vote was by all parties and sides taken as a mandate no matter the majority. Remainers and Leavers were not complaining at the time and the choice was In or out lock stock and barrel as per the leaflets sent to every home in the UK. Whatever happens the UK will find its feet and prosper as it has always done including the near thousand years it was not in the EU.
@Michael Hazle You say this as only Britain acted this way that was how it was in every powerfull nation and always has been right back to modern humans against Neanderthals, before it was a gun it was a sword or bow and arrow before that sticks and stones, get a grip you idiot.
When did Britain go mad? This is like Trump saying he knows more about army matters than generals, more about climate change than scientists, more about security than people who have dedicated their life to it, more about the economy than the economists!
Due to EU regs I cannot set light to my pillow as the Eurocrats force me to sleep on a "non-inflammable" one. After Brexit I will be free to do so, but Liz Hurley wants to buy less efficient light bulbs so she voted Leave. Sadly for her, that is nothing to do with the EU so she will still have to wait half a second to turn on the light the day after Brexit.
The discourse is we live in is a hedonistic, relativistic and narcistic me world where everybody knows everything because they feel it and the idea of being questioned for making choices or decisions is "how dare you", this creates space for large swathes of society being heavily socially engineered, manipulated by influential individuals and groups because it feels good.
Michael Hazle I bet you have a wardrobe full of SE Asian sweatshop manufactured clothing. People like you...the “citizens of nowhere” only care about you you and you.
Michael Hazle you have got to be a troll. Surely, if not then your more of a parody than a parody. Nice to see you vulture former Lord banker suffered. I hope it hurt
Gruxxan but it’s upset you hasn’t it? Why should it change anything? Why cannot people gather together to discuss and comment on any topic they wish? Why are you so triggered?
The Brexit controversy is settled. Theresa May’s Brexit speech in Belfast Northern Ireland on 5.Feb.2019 was not openly clear, but leaves no doubt. It is clearly indicated by her wording. Brexit will happen, no new Irish boarder. The price the UK is willing to pay, is Northern Ireland.
Amazing these brexit people still being fooled by the like of J.R Mogg a multi millionaire and a hedge fund manager. There's no such thing as a hedge fund manager thats not a self serving sociopath. And again, what laws exactly do you have problems with? Answer, you have no idea.
@@redicderldavis It's the UKs decision. They can do whatever they want. All I am saying is that O'Brien asks the right questions in all that emotionally charged buzz.
@@fredysir To a point you are right people should question things the trouble with James he has a totally closed view and bullies people who disagree with him. I have never got past his producer to go on air.. That said I listen to his show every day except when he rants on about Brexit. He normally is a great broadcaster and a very nice and compassionate man. Whatever happens we will always be close friends with the people of the EU. All the best to you.
@@redicderldavisSure we will remain friends! Sadly one of us friends is leaving the neighbourhood and moving out of town. Which will certainly not end the friendship but the distance will be increased. We'd have to make the best of it.
@@fredysir Friends remain friends no matter the distance but I do appreciate your sentiments and hope you know us Brits may be leaving the EU but we are never going to turn our backs on Europeans. I think history has proved that and as annoying as we can be we do like you all over the Channel.. All the very best to you Hannes....Jeremy
I think the problem is no one wants to take responsibility for what's happened and it's far easier to blame other people. I mean if brexiteers made a thing about the NHS for example which they made a big thing on those buses that more money would go towards it and then as soon as we had the referendum it was the first thing that was pushed back. But I have always believed that Britain is a proud country and so therefore doesn't want to admit if they get it wrong. The other way is some people voted for brexit because they wanted change even if they didn't know what that change was. Looking at the leave campaign and stuff they advertised I can understand why people voted leave even if it was based on lies. For example some of the elderly that voted leave they had lots of retirement homes, care homes taken away and the future won't affect them anyway. Or people that can't afford homes. The prices of homes in the UK is insane. You probably won't be able to pay for one working in a supermarket or other jobs at the minimum wage. Then of course university costs were put up making it harder for people to study. If you have nothing sometimes people have nothing to lose. I think that's partly why people voted to leave. Because they hoped it would bring change and something better then they do now and they are just frustrated that they will blame anyone or use any excuse.
A middle class privately educated entitled champagne socialist has no more in common with me than the wealthy leave politicians. They’re ALL out for themselves
I like JOb he really believes he is right. He sneers at Leave voters but can never except that Democracy gave us Brexit. He will bang on about the Leave campaign lies. He ignores the Remain Lies. He will campaign to rejoin but will never understand why it happened. He does himself no favours by aligning with Femi.
Nice to be among like minded friends. Bounce those ideas and observations around the echo chamber. Here’s an idea for a change in the format: Thirty three individuals are split into two groups; 17 who voted Leave and 16 who voted Remain. The two camps are separated and members of each camp bond together - it’s nice to be among like minded friends. Now the fun begins; one person from the Leave camp is taken into the Remain camp where they are surrounded by their enemies. They must defend themselves from the verbal onslaught while their own camp can only look on. When it is over, the roles are reversed - one member of the Remain camp is confronted by the Leavers. And so on. A great spectacle and hopefully a clarifying of arguments and possibly some solutions. BBC or Channel 4?
They would never allow that... the remainers know if there is a genuine and detailed debate about europe and how it is run... Leaving Europe is not only justified, it would be clearly necessary to stop Britain (and other european countries) from losing their sovereignty. It is the Remain camp that is responsible for labelling all 'leavers' as racist, bigots, poorly educated, etc etc, the debating style of someone who knows they have a weak argument so must resport to abuse. great idea though
The slow march of Britain to irrelevance has been truly depressing and fascinating at the same time. A significant amount of leave voters seemed to think they were on the path to reinvigorating the British Empire, but seemed to hasten it’s demise completely.
@Kevin Burrow it's actually already happening if you didn't notice. But that's ok. Have fun outside the EU. We will see who will be right in.the end. And guess what, the signs don't look good for the brexit camp
The only people who think that are the remain supporters who tell other remain supporters that leave supporters think that. And honestly, we're told that the UK needs the EU because it's becoming irrelevant, so either way by remain logic, the UK is becoming irrelevant, and I'd prefer to go down as an independent nation rather than a state of a union.
Joe Williams that’s not what they are saying. They are saying the UK will be more influential within the EU, having a large say in the rules that are written down on how Europe trades. If you are going to build a strawman, don’t make it so blatantly obvious.
Kevin Burrow not so much if you want to trade with Europe and the US. They will write the rules for you since they are the larger economies and you need them more than they need you.
Um. The argument goes that because the UK is becoming irrelevant it needs to be in the EU to offset that decline. Either way the decline is happening in remain eyes. No straw man, just your misunderstanding.
Just came here from a pro Farage video. The comment section seems a direct mirror image of the other. I feel that this whole endeavour is far more complex than any of us imagined. It feels like we're living in two alternate realities of Britain. That is quite scary. But we as Remainers need to do more, because the other half is extremely active. The main point is to become laser accurate on facts. It is the only way to sort out the mess we're all in. Just keep hammering down on a daily basis. Not because we hate each other, but because we wish them the best.
To a certain extent you're right. However please do consider that leavers will soon switch off if we continue to hound them with these facts, they don't like to have what they would have down as perceived facts force fed to them. They would simply view such a stratagem as more scaremongering and in any case this policy didn't really work last time. It would be better to appeal to their emotion rather than their intellect. It is here that people can be won over as Aaron Banks once said - one of the few accurate things any Brexiteer has ever said!! One example would be to convince them that upon leaving the EU ( depending of course on what one defines as leaving ) the government would concentrate all resources on London's future in order to safeguard that and sacrifice investment in all other regions which would decline further. I don't think too many people would disagree that we live in a London Centric country and considering many of the outer regions voted leave it is they who would therefore feel this backlash. Whilst still in the EU these same regions at least get some investment. I'm surprised more remainers don't see this as a valid argument because it seems fairly obvious to me. However thanks for your mature comments, we do indeed need to help each other by making constructive points. Much better than trying to score points against each other all the time. It is this " them and us" or "people lie you" attitude that's half the problem and BOTH sides are equally culpable.
Much like the way James does..There are just as many people with convincing arguments to leave.Truth is we will not know the reality of things until the will of the people ie the voters who won the referendum are out of the EU. I am utterly sick of these elitist liberals who claim they know all the answers..
The first time I came across James, he connected more dots on every front on Brexit than any leavers I've heard from string between any two, so it's perplexing to wrap my head around their huffing and puffing about getting their way when they're barely doing anything to take over or solve the problems at hand. Well done to these two.
Jaime Williams, do you mean like the soviet union? Europe is the most democratic continent in the whole world and you've either been brainwashed or are completely deluded. the EU countries where freedom is guaranteed all year round, where you can get treatment in a hospital in any country just by having an id card and for free or a small initial consultation fee of no more than 20 euros, where you can drive from Portugal to spain, to france to Italy with security and freedom without stopping except for a coffee,lol. where European countries like Portugal, spain, Norway, Switzerland,holland, denmark etc have constantly figured in top ten list for national health services, security and quality of life to name just three. of the top 10 national health services in the world over half are in our great continent, spain and france top 5, Portugal 10th germany etc. and in the top 20 more than half are in the EU including the uk 19th, compare that with the USA! only Canada, Australia, new Zealand and a handful of Asian countries like japan and Singapore come even close,where life expectancy is the highest of any continent you'd care to name. Its not the EU's fault England is run by a tory government that introduces universal credit that's driven many people to resort sadly to suicide, where profit is king and giving the dup £ 2 billion just to stay in power is normal and no one complains, bet you'd have plenty to say if another EU country did that,just think about that for a minute! the tories literally bought the last election just to stay in power and do you think they'd have given that to the nhs instead had they won the election outright? in your dreams pal. yes Islamic terrorists are evil and must be eradicated but for your info, Pakistan, Bangladesh, india and Somalia are not in Europe, the uk is full of immigrants from countries like that way before the EU and you may well know paki bashing was a popular pastime in the 60's and 70's way before the EU was a factor in England, no blacks, no Irish and no dogs was common on front doors of guest houses and homes in the 50's right up to early 70's and there was no EU to speak of back then. in a fascist state that would be common as was the case in germany 1930's with no juden signs everywhere, by the look of things the uk especially England is showing scary signs of returning to those times and you have the audacity to call the EU a fascist dictatorship! you've either just been born or been locked up for decades and just got out! btw for your info the USA want to take over the uk nhs and privatise it and they will unless you stand up to the tories, bet people like you will blame the EU when that happens, oh we want our sovereignty back blah blah blah, you always had it and that's why May bought her premiership for £2 billion or do you think that's EU rules! bet you're still worried about bendy bananas aren't you?
LOL we are not "united". The UK is either part of us or it isn't. The UK needs to be kicked out. The Remain types aren't as insane as the Brexit types, but equally completely ignorant of the respective power and UK's place in the world. An utterly deluded society.
I don't believe the person who next door to me is a malevolent person. He's a great bloke. But I don't want him to have any say in what goes on in my house. And can O'Brien point to any racist comment Farage has made in public? If he had, plenty of people would have called for him to be charged under the various anti-racist laws we have in the UK. But it has never happened.
JOB = one of the few journalists who actually asks callers to explain what they mean when they call in. Compare him to ITN/BBC who are often frightened of upsetting Brexit supporters. STOP BREXIT!
It is a very well known about occurrence. It has to do with the Fight or Flight response. When we start to loss an argument will feel stupid and thus threatened. When threatened the body introduces more adrenaline - which quickens the heart rate and reactions and makes us more aggressive in preparation to fight or run away. I thing it was an important moment for me in my life when I was able to say 'You know what I think you are right, I was being bloody stupid, sorry' and the sky didn't fall in. But it took a lot of years to get to that point.
He really isn't. Once you understand how this man operates, the dogmatic belief system he dwells in and the cataclysmic levels of confirmation bias that surround his faux intellectualism he doesn't offer much beyond base reasoning. He's out of his depth when it comes to the complexities of geopolitics and treat/trade analysis.
@@jamiewilliams685 talk about faux intelectuals lol. Al you have to do is use some logic and some common sense and you will clearly see that most people have no idea what they are talking about and are driven purely by emotion and frustration. And all he does is expose that.
His supporters are to be divided into two categories, one half are those actually believe in what he's offering and there is the other half that can see his dog whistle bigotry for what it is but hate the thought of an independent Britain more than having an honest conversation with their intellectual conscious.
@@jamiewilliams685 a lot of words without any real message. What is the bigotry you talk about? And what is it that you believe he is offering to people?
James o Brien is a breath of fresh air. I love the way he dismantles the very tenuous arguments of Brexiteers which for to long has been accepted as factual by the paying public. Long may he continue to do this.
Paul Herlihy I heard him do exactly what you say, A leave caller said he wanted to come out of the EU because he wanted free movement to end, james told him that EU citizens have to have a job or a means of keeping themselves before being allowed in.Now I assume you know thats not true but the person who phoned in didn’t so it made James look right, clever.
Well done for being a divisive, condescending, fear mongering, bigoted, hateful, smarmy, snarky, belittling, supercillious, mindless, fickle prick. Yes.
It's not that Leave voters are inane. It's not right to insult them. It's that this issue is so complex (as can be seen by 'intelligent people' in Parliament, not being able to come to a consensus) that it should never have been put out as a binary referendum question, in the first place. It's way too complex an issue for a simple 'yes' or 'no' to describe what you might feel. In fact, it's a nonsense. I will accept a deal, if we can formulate one, as I have to respect the democratic vote, but I'd prefer a second referendum ideally, as, at least now, we have much, much more information to make our simple, binary 'yes' or 'no' decisions, about this very complex issue.
How many people would accept being ruled by the EU if they knew what the Lisbon treaty meant for the UK ? How many of us would complain about a £7 visa to visit one of our EU neighbours ? How many think remaining is the best idea ? Read below and feel free to do your own research if you think the points below can’t possibly be true ....... this is the simple truth from what I can gather from what the EU has in store ( yes I’ve trawled through everything I can find about this SELL OUT treaty ) i didn’t think it could possibly be true when I read the points below either. Why are our politicians so desperate to stay part of this club ???? 1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed. 2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s. 3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty. 4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.) 5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK. 6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today. 7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals. 8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs. 9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas. 10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights 11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights 12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty 13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation 14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent 15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy 16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them 17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths 18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc 19: The UK loses control of its judicial system 20: The UK loses control of its international policy 21: The UK loses full control of its national policy 22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right. 23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program 24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction 25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty 26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020
Wow, impressive list. Two questions though: 1) who approves treaties with the EU? 2) can you possibly provide us with the sources you so diligently used for the 26 issues you mention so we can read all about it? I mean since you speak of the Lisbon Treaty, I did have a quick look at its wiki page here (but admittedly not read the entire legal texts of the actual treaty): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lisbon So why do I ask you for the sources? => as far as I have been able to find out, most of the issues you list simply do not align with facts or treaty texts and several others have nothing to do with EU treaties (like the London/Frankfurt stock exchange merger which hasn't happened). => no vetos allowed is actually more democratic than the current system (where one veto can overrule a majority) - rejoice! Also, so far, most important issue voting is by unanimous agreement, meaning ALL the member states must agree to something, which, when not the case, has the same effect as a veto. Majority vote would be the same as how British parliament works, would it not? => 22, 23 and 24 leave me puzzled ESA, while European, has nothing to do with the EU and as far as I know operates independently (and includes for example Switzerland!). Britain is part of that effort. Leaving the EU will cut some academic funding and exchanges, yes. Staying won't. Deal - who knows, depends on negotiators. => 14 by which treaty? Can you point out the wording please? Seriously, great job on finding all your information, but I'd really like to read up from actual sources for myself. Thanks :-)
I heard the 'People like you' reason for why some people voted out. Was that basically the old 'You've done better than me (for whatever reasons, you worked heard, got yourself educated, got lucky, whatever) and I am jealous'?
Brexshit a wet dream in Harry Potter Land. Comes April Fools 2019. An bottomless abyss in Ukipstan. Britain has failed to modernize it's society and politics.
The trouble is you can’t have a conversation with someone from the other side because as soon as you disagree with a point view they dig a trench and sit in it, unwilling to concede any point or any ground
Its a real problem. This nation has been watching too much tv, we get emotional instead of getting educated on the facts and reasoning a sensible and rational opinion. James is dead right, sound bites like taking back control are pointless and mean nothing without an explanation. The one that sticks with me is Gove and his comments about people having enough of experts.
John Ervine it’s because there are no fact checkers on these political programs or a decent host holding the guest to the question asked so these politicians just get away with saying anything that resonates with their audience whilst avoiding the questions being asked, it’s such a sorry state of affairs,
@John Ervine I don't think it's TV per se. It's bigger than that. It's the entire marketplace of ideas. The truth of the matter is that customers are frequently objectively wrong. But, if you want to be a successful merchant, you can't tell them that, because then they get annoyed and refuse to buy from you. To close a sale, you you have to pretend along with the customer that they're always right, *especially* if they're wrong. It makes them happy, which makes them like you, which removes the barriers from buying from you. And in the marketplace of ideas _everyone_ is a customer. The marketplace of ideas has become *extremely* competitive over the limited resource of customer attention. So everyone has become extremely used to being treated as if their every opinion and whim is perfectly correct simply because they've had it - all the better to sell them on ideas, actions, good and services. This constant reinforcement that a person's subjective beliefs are valid simply because they have them has has left people unable to deal the idea that there exists objective truth independent of our subjective beliefs. The core value of having belief aligned to objective truth to the greatest degree practically possible has been entirely lost for most people. So the tools of critical evaluation of evidence and argument are viewed with suspicion; not as a pathway to truth to which we should all subject ourselves, but just another rhetorical technique to be applauded when we use it and dismissed when the other side does. What people _feel_ is the tribalism of my opinion vs. yours and yours is no better than mine, so if you dismiss my opinion it's because you're unjustly talking down to me, and _how dare you_ talk down to me! And thus the current political climate. Trick is, I have no idea what to do about it, because I don't think that education will ever be incentivized the way that marketing is incentivized. It's a bugger of a problem.
My question to you is why do you think the MP's wanted the brexit in the first place? People like Farage and Johnson? Where they are now? Why I was seeing farage every single day on the TV and soon the brexit was done they all disappeared.
@@Seba-jq9zm Partly true but Farage has a popular channel on TH-cam but most UKIP types joined the Tories. Well they did around here. The backbench Tories are still there whereas Labour is tacking ever further rightward and playing the race card I areas where they're trying to regain blue wall seats.....
James O'Brien is wrong about the money point. Just because the money is small compared to other parts of our expenditure doesn't mean it should be dismissed. 47p per person is still a lot of money all together. We paid the Eu 13 billion in 2017. That's a lot of money. Eu spending on Britain is about 4 billion in 2017, so there is 9 billion we can't control. And as a person who claims to be anti-sexist and anti-racist his attitude to working class people who fund his show by calling him is unacceptable.
Why is it so difficult to understand that the access to the single market, that you pay for with that 9 billion you "can't control", completely alleviates that cost. The UK economy is a multi trillion pound economy. 9 billion is a flash in the pan of that amount for what you get out of access to the biggest single market on Earth.
its called a trade arrangement ,we dont give money away even if thats how it might seem ,a sweetener if you like and every one does it . i am working class and proud of it but he does get some morons and he is a lot more polite than i would be
More importantly .. he was COMPLETELY wrong about the "name EU laws you don't like" point. I am happy to name 3 specific ones ... and I can do that repeatedly, with different ones each time ;o). Just because he's too stupid to name 3 he DOES like ( it usually stops at freedom of movement ) is not my fault ;o).
do you think he's funded by paid calls ^^? he's being paid Because he does what he does, the way he does it; more to the point, 13b is not 350m a week, right? and even more so 9b isn't 350m/week; those 9b are a price of membership not a net loss, for that price you get certain privileges, here you can debate that you don't want those particular things, or that they're not worth it (economists will tell you they totally are) but at the end, it's not 9b for nothing, and worse even... you decided to vote based on a huge amount of lies ranging from bananas, through 350m to nhs, up to sovereignty
Again, brexit is now a massive word. Brexit has unveiled historic problems within this country, it is no longer a debate about the EU, but a debate about our own issues within this country
A problem with Brexit is that people do not truly know, hand on heart, that they will be better or worse off. I do not like the idea of Brexit - just on principle of being better together. But, no side has put forward a business case, risk assessment, project plan that have been peer reviewed. And no side has followed any best practice methodology for dealing with such a big, complex and important change project. Discipline from the start, would have possibly slowed things down, but clarity and certainty of possible outcomes would be clear. When things are clear, the ability to fuel some of the current bad behaviors would have been dramatically reduced.
It is hard to disagree with you (probably because you are right). I think I would say that the original referendum was a political construct, politics has always had an aspect of emotion and a smaller aspect of clarity and reason as time has gone on. It was never intended to be a choice between two clear plans with well-researched outcomes.
Richard Chalks Corriette I disagree, we know that even the worst case scenario will not make us worse off but it will make us grow much more slowly. The question is are you willing to take this slower economic growth to gain democratic independence?
@@greeny202ab That is precisely the definition of worse off, despite your phrasing. We will be poorer in a year than we would have been without Brexit. And again in two years, and three, and so on. And following James, define "democratic independence." What do you mean by that?
@@ctwofirst6635 No we will still be better off than we are today just not as much as if we stayed in the single market but that is only in the short term. We will certainly not be any worse off than we are now and it is pretty good in the UK right now. Besides Falklands oil drilling starts in 2021 and there is 6 billion barrells under there so any kind of economic damage done by Brexit will hardly be noticed at least until all that has gone. "democratic independence" To operate our democracy without interference from a foreign body or parliament acting for the good of an entire continent as opposed to the good of the UK. Mainly the rejection of that damned awful Maastricht treaty.
Rubbish. Most large business in the uk is here to access the eu market gua the single market (passporting) and customs union. The eu27 will take them back and even companies that you think are Brit like RR cars are vulnerable. Brexit makes the uk very vulnerable.
I'm American and I appreciate James O'Brien a great deal. We're facing the same issues on our side of the Atlantic. It's morbid but misery loves company I suppose. Trump and Brexit may seem like unrelated things on the surface, but the essential problem is the same. The Great Recession created a massive amount of economic anxiety and anger. Politicians gave big business and big banks massive bailouts while the majority of regular folks suffered the consequences of their reckless behavior. Naturally, mistrust of established institutions and leaders surged. Resentment and hate of minorities suddenly became mainstream when we all thought we'd banished such nonsense to the dark fringes of society. Right-wing populists & nationalists swooped in to take advantage of this situation by making eloquent and grandiose appeals to emotion that have masqueraded as "facts." They've successfully manipulated both mainstream and social media as well. I have no clue what the answer is to all this, but I wish mainstream media and the social media giants would do some soul-searching and figure out a solution.
James "it's why I'm slightly uncomfortable with the suggestion that we shouldn't be condescending or call people stupid because you will be accused of that however you treat a lot of these people"... That's because you are condescending and sneering James. I sometimes agree with James, though I can't help but cringe at how James sneers and interrupts and is condescending whether someone is right or wrong. It isn't a legitimate way to get true answers to be rude.
I doubt disparaging his hygiene or physical presentation takes away from his intellect or his being correct or wrong on a subject. Scruffiness doesn't make you right or wrong. Just merely unkempt.
Every video on TH-cam with James O'Brien in it has an hysterical mob in the comments section ranting about all sorts of mad gibberish. It's profoundly unhelpful.
What a shame James we have had another vote on leaving and Boris won so if you like Europe so much like all other remainers live over there then see what happens.
Simultaneously hilarious and depressing, like Farage's plane crash, the incident is the former, his survival is the latter. (well bit harsh, wouldn't wish harm on the racist little twerp really).
The ideal deal would be to exit Europe with an open option to re-enter. Because No One knows what's going to happen until it does, and even then you need the panic to settle. As for a second vote well that makes sense except for the fact that the voters are still totally uneducated in how government, economics, diplomacy and trade works.
Oh well lets never vote on anything because we are too stupid to understand. Speak for yourself I know why I vote and understand the ins and outs of how governments work.
@@redicderldavis then we should vote on 'everything' and have all the Facts yes? And Uneducated does not mean stupid my friend. It means a lack of knowledge.
When everyone's opinion is equally valid and there's no respect for facts nothing matters more than volume. And money makes a great amplifier. Nowadays people seem to rate the validity of a statement by how many upvotes, likes, or views it gets. There was a time when I thought the Internet would be great because it would open up dialogue and make us come to the truth more democratically. I thought people were generally rational and honest. I thought the cream would rise to the top. A few more years has made me realize that cream isn't the only thing that rises. So does pond scum. And now we're in a time when pond scum and cream are expected to be given equal time simply on the basis of their prominence.
The point on the distrust of the BBC is brilliant. The BBC is known the world over for impartial reporting and for reliable information yet it's distrusted by the English people who favour news outlets that even have a stated agenda. It boggles the mind. [Edit] mediabiasfactcheck.com/bbc/
James dose not need a fact checker It's Farage & Reece Mogg who need one or better still just sack the pair of those conning, Lying, racist, fascist, cheating scumbags. You should ask Reece Mogg if you can have some of the £7 million he's already directly as a result of the Brexshit con he was part of.
The only drawback (or should I say 'prime benefit') to that is that it would effectively be the end O'Brien's show, since his entire modus operandi is to use spurious arguments and tendentious 'facts' to bully callers into submission - when confronted by anyone with half a grasp of what's going on, he falls flat on his face.
@@Betterthantelly yeah it's pathetic to try & shut down anyone calling out racism. Listen as long as racism exists I will keep calling it out where It exists.
18:32 "a bitterly divided nation for a decade or two." Rich and poor is a huge divide and has been there for centuries and will endure for decades even if brexit never happened at all. And it really is people like him and James o brien that the country voted leave. The lack of understanding that immagration pushes up housing costs and as a result helps nurses get to the position on rent week not to eat much at all even though they help deliver millionaires babies.
I hear you mate but the housing crisis is the fault of our governments over the years. How many mp's have large property portfolios and why would they flood the market with homes and risk loosing money
Do you have any proof at all that the increase in housing is a result of the EU or is in fact due to inflation? House prices in the UK have on averaged doubled every 10 years since the 1920's. We joined the EU half a century later.
I need to ask: as a person who fully knows I'm one of those people: what is it about people like me when people say "it's because of people like you"? Does that make sense?
For you this is true, but for other people the opposite is true. The best way a society can get resolution on different political opinion is for everyone to hear all the arguments and have the electorate vote. This system is called 'democracy' and the only possible alternative is called 'fascism'. Fascism is when some members of society believe their ideas are more justified than any opposing ideas and inevitably they impose their 'truth' on society by using propaganda and fear. In 2016 the UK had a fair referendum, there was record participation and the result was that the UK should leave the EU. So, please stop being a fascist.
@@Iazzaboyce I go by the facts. Something leavers hate, really hate. It's not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact. Leaving will hurt the UK. FACT. Can you assert that it will not?
No one has explained what will the options be if the undemocratic uk has a so called peoples vote. And what if the result still favors leave .will these people want another vote and if its a remain win would you let the voters who want to leave have yet another vote where will it end
Its called debate and as a leaver I find listening to the concerns of remainers important you should try it. I do not have all the answers but I have a conviction that is as valid as any other I just happen to be on the side that won the referendum and want to get on with it. One thing that concerns me is that a lot of remainers seem to be willing the UK to fail. If we do leave then all hands need to be on deck. The UK for all of its faults is still a tolerant and immensely viable nation and last time I looked one of the worlds greatest democracy's. .
You always go on the good side of the public. They are not to blame ...they just want the power to change everything but bare no responsibility over those changes. They just want to vote .... love island , brexit ...doesn't matter It's all the same for those people.
James is quite correct about political panel shows with their supposed impartiality. BBC Question Time on the 7th February, which came from Motherwell in Scotland, is a prime example. A member of the audience was allowed to go on an anti SNP, anti Scottish Independence rant on a question which was about Brexit. The individual had appeared on 3 previous programs coming from Scotland & this was the 4th time that he was allowed to comment. He had previously stood as a candidate for UKIP.
Since I'm not British can somebody explain it to me why the hell did David Cameron went on with this Brexit referendum when he had absolutely no obligation to do so and he was against Brits leaving the EU. Why did he went on with this suicide move? Thank you
I see no one has answered your question for over 2 years. Cameron gave the country the referendum because of pressure from the right wingers on his back benches and the threat of UKIP (Farage) picking up conservatives votes. The stupidest decision ever made for the sake of retaining power….😱
The left case against the EU is rarely made since Tony Benn died but the EU rules against nationalisation and the minimum VAT rate are valid criticisms. However, neoliberal policies that destroyed our manufacturing since the 70s have put us in a worse position for brexit, and we're unlikely to elect a government that would take advantage of such freedoms.
the subject of Brexit it what is it to be a sceptic . of the "EU", well on the subject of the Tread deal the UK , have know say in the subject, mater. se lick Newzzeland lam & often. argentines beef. but we cant have ether as the "EU" ues our trad vote in a block. so we do not get new Zealand Lam as we would like Because it will hart French sheep farmers as well as welsh sheep farmers.. inclosing what's good-for the "EU" is not so good for the UK.
I can not wait til the second referendum comes in and I can look the nearest Brexiteer in the face and tell them to 'Get over it'. Didnt get the Brexit you want ? 'Get Over it'. Article 50 gets extended ? ' Get over it'.
@@jamiewilliams685 Really? Fascists? I and others like me have had to spend the last two years being told by Brexit supports to 'Suck it up and get over it'. That tiny majority have lauded 'democracy' over the rest of us for all this time, all the time crying at us 'Its the will of the people' . Never for one second taking in to account the large minority and their feelings and opinions. And now, when it looks like the wheels are coming off the Brexit dream and the Remainers start getting vocal once again, they are called 'Fascists' in an attempt to shut down the argument...because Fascist trumps everything else right?....Wrong. A second referendum on all the options will be the true will of the people and that will trump everything. We have had a little preview of how a brexit would look and the people dont like it. Blue Passports just aint worth it.
i will tell you which law i dont like obrien , do you even know the fundamental difference between british law and european law? and do any of you remainers here know ? well let me explain. eu law is based on napoleonic law which stipulates everything you are "allowed¨ to do under law, ie there is a law for everything you are allowed to do, you are not allwoed to do anything that is not stipulated in the 1000s of volumes of law. British law on the other hand only stipulates what you ¨cant ¨do by law, but everything else is allowed. and therein lies the fundamental difference. one you are controlled by the state and the other ( british law,) allows the individual to do what he likes as long as he does not break the law. ie do something that is stipulated to be illegal, this is a very serious difference that people should understand. british law is freedom, eu napoleonic law is fundamentally the nanny state and at worst down right slavery should it ever get that far.
Well thats a very grimm misrepresentation if ever one was given. First off; im not saying you are wrong about the napoleonic laws, I didn't know about it and I will definetly read up on this. So thanks for that. But back to your statement and why bothered me. You express it could lead to a state of slavery, which is quite misleading, considdering that, on order for any law like that to be passed the EU national leaders and the EU democraticly elected parliament would have to unanomously agree to such a profound change of overruling the national constitutions on this regard. So that simply will never happen. It is just as unlikely as the UK turning into May's private slave pen... To continue on this; the EU's powers of creating legislation are very confined to the articles that dictate where it can act. What u are now describing, is like it affects all UK laws. That is in no way true. To ask a lame question, could u point out an EU law that limits your personal freedom or the UK laws for that matter? The EU is a trading union first and foremost. And the laws it creates are designed by and vetted by very democraticly elected representatives. Including the UK government. I hope u take some of my perspective as I am about to read up on your suggestion and try to understand your point of view.
@@ZeeBraam that and british law presumes innocence before guilt, napoleonic law doesnt have that presumption, its up to the accused to prove their innocent to clear their name, that is a very serious difference, i know which one i prefer.
The last question and answer make me realise this a very sad and never ending problem. The next bigger problem is around the corner. We just need to wait
That's it folks Tory cock up but lets blame the Labour Party. You want to see what Labour would do. Campaign for a general election vote for Labour and then know what Corbyn will do
JOB will not go on panels because he does not like his holy and sacred views questioned yet he has dissenters on his show. Apart from his rabid brexit stance I love listening to his show as he really is a kind and decent man.
He is an independent journalist, let's hope he remains that way. Trough Brexit, trough government change, shining a light on facts and truth. The UK needs more of those, and less politicians who are on their knees to get reelected.
@@dutchman7623 Seconded. Though I agree with the OP in the sense that parliament could use smart, plain speaking people like O'Brien (and I will not say 'common sense' people because that's a meaningless platitude), not having him as an outside voice would be a loss.
Captain Backfire [aka JoB] would be a perfect leader of the Labour Party. Just like Jeremy Corbyn, he has failed to date to commit to any policy alternative to reverse Brexit - no commitment to a fresh referendum or to revoke the Art. 50 process.
In Ireland we had a citizens assembly to learn all we could before the abortion referendum we heard in the news everyday what they discussed then the assembly made a recommendation on the vote. You guys rushed into this at the very least I hope you've learned to get all information first then vote.
I live in the Eastern USA. Do ya know I'm such a fan of Mr. James O'Brien that I set my alarm for 4:45 a.m., put the kettle on for my tea, turn on my computer, and settle down for three hours to listen to the wisdom that comes from this man's mouth. Awesome! James, if you ever read these posts, just know that you are a very welcome person in my home. Thank you for being you.
Wow... that's commitment!
Your easily pleased Barb.
I am slovak living in Slovakia. Never been living in Uk. My slovak friends moved back to Slovakia this week after 12 years from Uk.David theirs son, for him was UK home, he is 11.I listen LBC every day James's program and others.As a gift I got copy of the new book of James today. They bought for me. I couldnt be more happy. But, Today they were first day in slovak school!!! He doesnt speak slovak well. After he sad, WHATEVER you do I will always stay british and I will always speak english. Thats your brexit thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!
You and your family are welcome at our house Denisa, anytime.
@@davidharrop9984 thank you David its very kind of you Realy thanks from my heart. Maybe one day you would like visit Slovakia. You can find me on Facebook (city Ruzomberok, Slovakia) then I can send you more details.Cheap fllights, beautifull mountains,super skiing resorts, fantastic cheap accomondation in austrians Alp style, fantastic food. They fly from Luton to Poprad direct. I can even pick you up and your family and take care of good accomondation for you. Slovak people are with opened heart. As my grandmother sad,, a guest to the house is a God to the house.
@@davidharrop9984we have even more in summer here. I dont know if you know but Slovakia has the most hot mineral sourses in the world. Hot spa, wellness, just relax. Very busy summer winter, whole year. I Live in the touristic area. Last remark, I wish UK stay with us in the EU, you are nation who had always enlightened ideas. I lived and study in USA, I love Europe, Croatia see, Italy, Spain Greece, I had offers, but Europe is my home. I wish so much UK come back to the table and make together things better. MRS. Gina Muller has in UK campaign,, Lets lead not leave,, I think when I am correct.
@@denisasokolova3800 hi. I understand. I met my wife in London. She is Slovak and I am Portuguese. We came here in end of 2015. Best decision.
@@davidvalter1936 i wish you and your wife all the hapiness and love as long as you live. Nice.
A lot of people get annoyed with James O'Brien and call him all sorts of things, there are even near on death threats to him on some of his you tube videos , the man knows what he is talking about and is very knowledgable and educated and that gets the ill informed and not so educated ruffled and angry, its very easy to get brexiteers angry , they will shout and argue to the most calm discussion on the whole topic of the UK's exit from teh EU..... JamesO'Brien , top man ...
I didn’t vote either way, I know some leave voters, they voted because they were unhappy with regional inequality, globalization and austerity. Now tell me how a middle class privately educated “journalist “ like James O’Brien can relate to them? One way.? Answer is he can’t. James O’Brien is the epitome of a self promoting champagne socialist.
I only came here to read the angry comments about JOB, written by people who seem weirdly fixated by him.
LuciusEsox1 It’s highly amusing
He tells them what they do not want to hear. Obviously financially the EU has benefitted the UK, in a lot of ways the people have benefitted from the EU.
It is valid to be against mass immigration but you need to put everything in the proper perspective and not be stupid and deny the obvious. The UK can survive outside of the EU, but it will cost money, you need to make deals and compromises. It will not be walk of glory, but instead the UK will be trying to crawl out of a minefield. That is the reality and that is what people are rejecting.
@LuciusEsox1 Is that you the legend of Dot.org?
Wouldn't you be annoyed if I managed to debunk all your believes and made your realise you have been played with?
@@gchelem please do explain.
Hey James.
How's you?
Got a house
Got money
Got a platform
What do you not have ?
What do you know that you don't know James??
Hey James, so many people now need more than one lifetime to achieve no debt no profit .
And why ?
Come on James
Try thinking
Well done James and Jonathan. You really are annoying the hell out of the Brexshiteers. Keep up the great work. Spot on!
What date are we leaving again? Lol tic toc tic toc
Spinler Muckflitt you have no idea what you are talking about. I can assess you very low level of IQ by the garbage you spout. You are also racist, xenophobic, completely unable to understand either politics or economics, and you are gullible to the nth degree. Have a nice day.
@@lynneceegee8726 I understand your annoyance but your comments do highlight a well worked perception of those who voted to leave which I find insulting and quite arrogant. At the time of the referendum the choice was to stay or leave full stop, right or wrong people spoke and this nation is more than capable of working through the difficulties that may lay ahead. It was bankrupt in 1945 yet created the NHS and the nuclear umbrella that has kept Europe at peace.
redic nope you are way off beam.. your u cannot compare the times. And I’m afraid your comment demonstrates your lack of insight into the situation.
@@lynneceegee8726 So twenty years as a Nurse means nothing.. Well I say again I do not see to your doom and gloom perspective but as I said we have an excellent record in our hospital that speaks for itself. Things were a lot worse when I started and some trusts are badly run and need fixing. Waste and purchasing are the biggest eaters of money in a lot of places IE Gloves £28 from one supplier or £4.from another as in our case. Drugs companies are no better than cartels and need raining in. I go to work every day happy that I have the tools to do my job if I were unhappy I would leave. You obviously have issues that must be fixed I wish you luck..
Echo Chamber = no debate.. Will not go on panel shows but wants guests on his, what an arrogant man he is.
redic the debate is over. There’s only right and wrong with Brexit.
@@marksouthall4508 No, there is only leavers and remainers who see things differently. Neither is wholly right nor wrong. It is all a matter of what people's own perceptions of the value EU that forms their opinions. As we are leaving the country must now move on and make a success of the new situation. The UK will still be a friend, strong ally and continue to trade with our EU neighbours as we have done for centuries.. Let's be honest if the EU are not exacting powers over us as some suggest it will not be a problem for them to let go and create a new and lasting relationship with us.
James O'Boring name calling again with nobody there to defend themselves. Mogg took him to bits the other day on his own radio show.
No. JRM did not. He didn't know anything about Good Friday agreement. He did not understand how quality control works. He didn't answer the questions. Just gave his rhetoric.
He didn’t
How do you elect the European commission? How do they decide which laws to pass? How do you oppose any laws passed by the commission when EU laws supersede National laws?
Johnnytightfit All of your Question is easily answered. It would be better if you found out for yourself which is very easy to do.
@@46514651 Well if its so easy why can't you explain it?
I have explained this many times to Leavers. Faced with the facts of the matter there are two responses, 1. Violent abuse or 2, a counter argument based on rubbish about the EU being unelected, or a Nazi organisation.
For that reason I think it best Leavers do their own research instead of repeating word for word the lies they love.
Explaining the very democratic processes of the EU so many times only to receive a tirade of abuse has become too much trouble for me to bother. You can easily find out for yourself.
I have only come across James O`Brien today by accident - and have been watching clips with him on TH-cam for the last 2 hours. Very impressive! I just wished he´d get some speaking time in the House of Commons!
LazyJack2003 Same here. I think what I most admire is his dogged pressing home of his very simple Socratic questioning, refusing to move on or to give up as most interviewers do and blandly to gloss over the most outrageous illogical claims which are based on nothing more than ignorance and bigotry - as if all opinions are equally valid. How often in course of the interviews do we hear callers say ‘well that’s just your opinion and not mine’ as if all opinions carry equal weight and, as such, sacrosanct personal beliefs. Of course, in this dogged pursuit, he exposes to broad daylight the ill-founded and fallacious viewpoints of others. This results in he is vehemently hated by many, as comments here reveal only too readily. Nobody appreciates their ‘side’ being made to look foolish, although there are some callers who are oblivious to this having happened. I also think that what he says about not being beholden to anyone is extremely pertinent.
adscri I’m not a leave voter....but I do come from a leave area. An impoverished, de-industrialized area. Explain to me how a middle class privately educated London dwelling James O’Brien has any more in common with me than a Rees Mogg or David Davis? He doesn’t.
@@Chris-oz9qx JOB has your interests at heart. JRM does not.
@@nebulaaah JOB voted for Johnson as London mayor, if Johnson had lost that election there's no chance he'd have been PM for the last 4 years.....JOB is a con man and a chancer, he and JRM have more in common than you would ever admit
@@Chris-oz9qx JOB regularly admits that he voted for Johnson in 2008, and admits that he was fooled. What on earth does JOB have in common with JRM? And how is he a conman and a chancer?
May I suggest this feeling (21:00) comes from the homelessness we see on the streets every day and the two-tier education system that dooms all that comes from a disadvantaged background to low pay, or front line infantry soldier who hopes to learn a trade but ends up as one of the homeless rough street sleepers we see on the street every day!
One of the problem leavers face from remainers, is that they can take the high moral ground, and say we have a duty to help economic migrants, do we not have a duty to help our own first? They can say this as they are not affected by the issues of mass immigration!
But these are ALL things that were problems before we joined the EEC. These are all problems which stem from the class based institutions of the UK which were created by and stand to serve the established elite and Upper classes who have always controlled this country. How does voting the make the country poorer held anyone? How does electing someone like Boris Johnson, the very epitome of an upper class establishment figure who hasn't lived a single day in the real world, help to address any of that which you mention? It doesn't. It just worsens the problem. Just look at the proliferation of food banks across the country; there are now more of them than McDonald's, and that has all come about under successive Conservative governments. The people who create the problems you deplore are the very people the British electorate empower!
Can we cut to the chase... If Brexit goes through we lose the current trade agreements we have with the EU and others. On that day what we have inside of Britain other then for very few products, is all we've got till we can renegotiate EVERYTHING.
According to the minister responsible for trade, 44% of British trade is with the EU. and on top of that in recent years it has increased in actual value by 14%.
Ive been listening to people who own companies in Britain and even now trading with the EU is just barley manageable now. Should we leave the the EU it will be very difficult to re-establish EU trade as the other members of the EU will have taken our segment that WE GAVE UP.
The Bank of England says Brexit would cause a deep recession for years. The whole world is in a down turn currently, we need to protect what we have now to get through. Britain could easily become a mere shadow of what we have today.
This wouldn't be the same Bank of England that predicted the collapse of our economy the day after Brexit. Thinking of exports what about Imports from Europe, for instance 750.000 German cars or 100 million bottles of proseco. You see profit and jobs will dictate any trade tariffs set by the EU. By the way 90 percent of British businesses dont export. Things can only be difficult if the EU want them to be. Turkey, Norway and Canada for instance have very good arrangements with the EU. If they start to squeeze us then they will find EU industries on their backs. I find it sad that so many people have no faith in their own country.
That`s my fear as well, Sir... for all of us.
@@redicderldavis Yeah. All those businesses that have been relocating to the UK in the past 3 years... oh wait. It's the other way around. And it's accelerated every time a no-deal Brexit became more likely. We might have a dip in growth after you leave. But we'll be fine in the long term. Our combined GDP has been catching up to the US for decades. But this Brexit ordeal has further unified the rest of us. So thanks for that. 🇳🇱 🇪🇺
@@NLTops You are obviously unaware that last year the UK received more foreign inward investment than at any other period in our history and that trend is continuing so we obviously are worth investing in. Our unemployment rate is at its lowest for over 40 years.and Jaguar are to build their new electric cars here and we have no trade deal with the USA yet we maintain a healthy trade surplus with them You are obviously not grasping the fact we are the biggest export market for the EU £340+ Billion a year. and nearly 60% of our exports are outside the EU. infact 85% of our GDP has nothing to do with the EU.. We have traded with the world for hundreds of years and that will continue. What you do not understand is money talks and bullshit walks. You are a defeatist led by remoaners nonsense and I recommend the following blockbuster.... "based on lies, fraud, didn't understand, crash out, cliff edge, not binding, catastrophe, no medicines, no food, peoples vote, stop Brexit, revoke article 50, fascist” Please add your own for the new "Whingers Quotations" book, out on Nov 1st (only word missing is Democracy)
@@redicderldavis If you've won the coveted prize, why are you so angry? ^^ Oh I see, you're just blowing smoke. Not uncommon. I'm actually looking forward to Brexit Day. Because I don't live in the UK and it's going to be fun to watch those arrogant grins to dissapate. ^_^
I was in the gym the other day doing dead lifts and some smug git comes up to me telling me what I'm doing is dangerous! and recommending I change my 'form', just to show him I did the opposite, ha, that was one in his eye. He was kind enough to help me into the ambulance though, so maybe he wasn't all bad.
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Typical smug remark from an ideologist.
@@redicderldavis I was trying to make the point that just because someone is smug doesn't mean they are wrong nor that they don't care or have respect for you. The people lying to you and pretending to be your friend are the ones who, typically, think you deserve it.
One is a factual statement, the other is nonsensical yelling just to prove a point. Go on and keep yelling until what you "think" works. It won't. Ever.
James O'Brien, the c. £10bn net contribution to the EU is 1.5% of annual UK expenditure not 0.7%!
Thanks for the correction, dummy
Apart from every argument for and against Brexit there were and still are, fundamental unaddressed aspects to the whole membership referendum of 2016, namely:
1: Constitutional amendments require more than a simple majority. Why this larger majority? Because these are laws that influence the most laws in the country, affecting the most people. In the case of a Brexit, this would have an even bigger impact (none knows how big, which is even more frightening) than one constitutional amendment, which is why the referendum should've been AT LEAST 2/3 MAJORITY, for it to justify taking a major turn towards Brexit after being in the EU for over 40 years.
2: The referendum was set to have zero, ZERO, legal power; it was just an opinion poll, (partially) to see whether the government had to push harder to renegotiate the asylum system for the entire EU.
Fundamentally, there is no justification for Brexit to happen the way it has, whether you're a Leaver or a Remainer. You fundamentally don't make decisions with this large an impact based on an opinion poll with a simple fucking majority.
The vote was by all parties and sides taken as a mandate no matter the majority. Remainers and Leavers were not complaining at the time and the choice was In or out lock stock and barrel as per the leaflets sent to every home in the UK. Whatever happens the UK will find its feet and prosper as it has always done including the near thousand years it was not in the EU.
That's because you lost there would have been no problem if remain had won, you are a fucking remoaning hypocrite.
@Michael Hazle You say this as only Britain acted this way that was how it was in every powerfull nation and always has been right back to modern humans against Neanderthals, before it was a gun it was a sword or bow and arrow before that sticks and stones, get a grip you idiot.
@Michael Hazle Umm Sorry ! Couldn't believe my eyes so I will ask you to repeat !
WE started 2 World Wars ? How Exactly do you think we did that ?
Yes there will be bumps in the road but we will get through it and be better. Just want out to stop all this bleating from remainerd
When did Britain go mad? This is like Trump saying he knows more about army matters than generals, more about climate change than scientists, more about security than people who have dedicated their life to it, more about the economy than the economists!
When we joined the EU I think
Also has 0 handicap in golf
Challenging some is not condescending it is a form of holding someone to account
Due to EU regs I cannot set light to my pillow as the Eurocrats force me to sleep on a "non-inflammable" one. After Brexit I will be free to do so, but Liz Hurley wants to buy less efficient light bulbs so she voted Leave. Sadly for her, that is nothing to do with the EU so she will still have to wait half a second to turn on the light the day after Brexit.
The discourse is we live in is a hedonistic, relativistic and narcistic me world where everybody knows everything because they feel it and the idea of being questioned for making choices or decisions is "how dare you", this creates space for large swathes of society being heavily socially engineered, manipulated by influential individuals and groups because it feels good.
God, I love James O'Brien!
Michael Stevens
Well that’s two now.
RoadKillzine , 3 now ?
Lot of rabid leavers on this message board. Stop torturing yourselves and leave. You’re good at that.
jamie cole and yet many people outside of London don’t have any money. Lots of middle class entitlement on that stage.
Michael Hazle I bet you have a wardrobe full of SE Asian sweatshop manufactured clothing. People like you...the “citizens of nowhere” only care about you you and you.
Michael Hazle you have got to be a troll. Surely, if not then your more of a parody than a parody. Nice to see you vulture former Lord banker suffered. I hope it hurt
this is just hot air. just two private individuals expressing their opinions in an echo chamber. means nothing. changes nothing.
@Gruxxan Totally agree, an echo chamber. Yes changes nothing and really just a vehicle for them to sell more books while preaching to the converted.
Gruxxan but it’s upset you hasn’t it? Why should it change anything? Why cannot people gather together to discuss and comment on any topic they wish? Why are you so triggered?
@@lynneceegee8726 Probably because these self appointed experts give no right of reply.
The Brexit controversy is settled. Theresa May’s
Brexit speech in Belfast Northern Ireland on 5.Feb.2019
was not openly clear, but leaves no doubt. It is clearly
indicated by her wording. Brexit will happen, no new
Irish boarder. The price the UK is willing to pay,
is Northern Ireland.
Brexit people are nuts
tory voters are nuts
their lost, and now they are found..love and hugs.
because they don't want to live under a dictatorship ?? go fuck your self !!
@James Thompson Exactly what laws have you a problem with?
Amazing these brexit people still being fooled by the like of J.R Mogg a multi millionaire and a hedge fund manager. There's no such thing as a hedge fund manager thats not a self serving sociopath. And again, what laws exactly do you have problems with? Answer, you have no idea.
Yaaaassssss James! Love you man!
Lastly will my continental quilt still work after brexit ?
ohhh so very droll of you. bigger things to worry about after the never ending brexit that will never actually end
no
No you'll be required to take it outside and burn it... Er? Are Bryant and May matches still made in England?
@@007JHS No, sold off & fucked off in 1994.
That is funny
James O’Brien is so good -
At being a dick.
O'Brien rules! Greetings from Bavaria.
Why are you so keen to keep the UK in Europe.
@@redicderldavis It's the UKs decision. They can do whatever they want. All I am saying is that O'Brien asks the right questions in all that emotionally charged buzz.
@@fredysir To a point you are right people should question things the trouble with James he has a totally closed view and bullies people who disagree with him. I have never got past his producer to go on air.. That said I listen to his show every day except when he rants on about Brexit. He normally is a great broadcaster and a very nice and compassionate man. Whatever happens we will always be close friends with the people of the EU. All the best to you.
@@redicderldavisSure we will remain friends! Sadly one of us friends is leaving the neighbourhood and moving out of town. Which will certainly not end the friendship but the distance will be increased. We'd have to make the best of it.
@@fredysir Friends remain friends no matter the distance but I do appreciate your sentiments and hope you know us Brits may be leaving the EU but we are never going to turn our backs on Europeans. I think history has proved that and as annoying as we can be we do like you all over the Channel.. All the very best to you Hannes....Jeremy
I think the problem is no one wants to take responsibility for what's happened and it's far easier to blame other people. I mean if brexiteers made a thing about the NHS for example which they made a big thing on those buses that more money would go towards it and then as soon as we had the referendum it was the first thing that was pushed back. But I have always believed that Britain is a proud country and so therefore doesn't want to admit if they get it wrong. The other way is some people voted for brexit because they wanted change even if they didn't know what that change was. Looking at the leave campaign and stuff they advertised I can understand why people voted leave even if it was based on lies. For example some of the elderly that voted leave they had lots of retirement homes, care homes taken away and the future won't affect them anyway. Or people that can't afford homes. The prices of homes in the UK is insane. You probably won't be able to pay for one working in a supermarket or other jobs at the minimum wage. Then of course university costs were put up making it harder for people to study. If you have nothing sometimes people have nothing to lose. I think that's partly why people voted to leave. Because they hoped it would bring change and something better then they do now and they are just frustrated that they will blame anyone or use any excuse.
A Brilliant event, Love hearing James'OB telling it like it is if only there were more like him then maybe we wouldn't be in this Brexshit mess.
A middle class privately educated entitled champagne socialist has no more in common with me than the wealthy leave politicians. They’re ALL out for themselves
@@Chris-oz9qx well I don't think they are all out for themselves, the ones in charge definitely are though.
I like JOb he really believes he is right. He sneers at Leave voters but can never except that Democracy gave us Brexit. He will bang on about the Leave campaign lies. He ignores the Remain Lies. He will campaign to rejoin but will never understand why it happened. He does himself no favours by aligning with Femi.
Nice to be among like minded friends. Bounce those ideas and observations around the echo chamber.
Here’s an idea for a change in the format:
Thirty three individuals are split into two groups; 17 who voted Leave and 16 who voted Remain. The two camps are separated and members of each camp bond together - it’s nice to be among like minded friends. Now the fun begins; one person from the Leave camp is taken into the Remain camp where they are surrounded by their enemies. They must defend themselves from the verbal onslaught while their own camp can only look on. When it is over, the roles are reversed - one member of the Remain camp is confronted by the Leavers. And so on. A great spectacle and hopefully a clarifying of arguments and possibly some solutions. BBC or Channel 4?
They would never allow that... the remainers know if there is a genuine and detailed debate about europe and how it is run... Leaving Europe is not only justified, it would be clearly necessary to stop Britain (and other european countries) from losing their sovereignty.
It is the Remain camp that is responsible for labelling all 'leavers' as racist, bigots, poorly educated, etc etc, the debating style of someone who knows they have a weak argument so must resport to abuse.
great idea though
That how true points are made sometimes, we had it before and during brexit
The slow march of Britain to irrelevance has been truly depressing and fascinating at the same time. A significant amount of leave voters seemed to think they were on the path to reinvigorating the British Empire, but seemed to hasten it’s demise completely.
@Kevin Burrow it's actually already happening if you didn't notice. But that's ok.
Have fun outside the EU. We will see who will be right in.the end.
And guess what, the signs don't look good for the brexit camp
The only people who think that are the remain supporters who tell other remain supporters that leave supporters think that.
And honestly, we're told that the UK needs the EU because it's becoming irrelevant, so either way by remain logic, the UK is becoming irrelevant, and I'd prefer to go down as an independent nation rather than a state of a union.
Joe Williams that’s not what they are saying. They are saying the UK will be more influential within the EU, having a large say in the rules that are written down on how Europe trades.
If you are going to build a strawman, don’t make it so blatantly obvious.
Kevin Burrow not so much if you want to trade with Europe and the US. They will write the rules for you since they are the larger economies and you need them more than they need you.
Um. The argument goes that because the UK is becoming irrelevant it needs to be in the EU to offset that decline. Either way the decline is happening in remain eyes.
No straw man, just your misunderstanding.
It's now early September, 2019. An incredible amount has changed since this was recorded!
Complete collapse of fiscal security.
wait till it gets to 2021
Just came here from a pro Farage video. The comment section seems a direct mirror image of the other. I feel that this whole endeavour is far more complex than any of us imagined. It feels like we're living in two alternate realities of Britain. That is quite scary. But we as Remainers need to do more, because the other half is extremely active. The main point is to become laser accurate on facts. It is the only way to sort out the mess we're all in. Just keep hammering down on a daily basis. Not because we hate each other, but because we wish them the best.
To a certain extent you're right. However please do consider that leavers will soon switch off if we continue to hound them with these facts, they don't like to have what they would have down as perceived facts force fed to them. They would simply view such a stratagem as more scaremongering and in any case this policy didn't really work last time. It would be better to appeal to their emotion rather than their intellect. It is here that people can be won over as Aaron Banks once said - one of the few accurate things any Brexiteer has ever said!!
One example would be to convince them that upon leaving the EU ( depending of course on what one defines as leaving ) the government would concentrate all resources on London's future in order to safeguard that and sacrifice investment in all other regions which would decline further. I don't think too many people would disagree that we live in a London Centric country and considering many of the outer regions voted leave it is they who would therefore feel this backlash. Whilst still in the EU these same regions at least get some investment. I'm surprised more remainers don't see this as a valid argument because it seems fairly obvious to me.
However thanks for your mature comments, we do indeed need to help each other by making constructive points. Much better than trying to score points against each other all the time. It is this " them and us" or "people lie you" attitude that's half the problem and BOTH sides are equally culpable.
I do believe that James is right about Fact Checkers. It has ended up with MPs just reading what they have be given. Like a parrot.
Much like the way James does..There are just as many people with convincing arguments to leave.Truth is we will not know the reality of things until the will of the people ie the voters who won the referendum are out of the EU. I am utterly sick of these elitist liberals who claim they know all the answers..
The first time I came across James, he connected more dots on every front on Brexit than any leavers I've heard from string between any two, so it's perplexing to wrap my head around their huffing and puffing about getting their way when they're barely doing anything to take over or solve the problems at hand. Well done to these two.
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Remain United
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United in anti-democratic fascism
@pitu toup Its what you want.
Will not
Jaime Williams, do you mean like the soviet union? Europe is the most democratic continent in the whole world and you've either been brainwashed or are completely deluded. the EU countries where freedom is guaranteed all year round, where you can get treatment in a hospital in any country just by having an id card and for free or a small initial consultation fee of no more than 20 euros, where you can drive from Portugal to spain, to france to Italy with security and freedom without stopping except for a coffee,lol. where European countries like Portugal, spain, Norway, Switzerland,holland, denmark etc have constantly figured in top ten list for national health services, security and quality of life to name just three. of the top 10 national health services in the world over half are in our great continent, spain and france top 5, Portugal 10th germany etc. and in the top 20 more than half are in the EU including the uk 19th, compare that with the USA! only Canada, Australia, new Zealand and a handful of Asian countries like japan and Singapore come even close,where life expectancy is the highest of any continent you'd care to name. Its not the EU's fault England is run by a tory government that introduces universal credit that's driven many people to resort sadly to suicide, where profit is king and giving the dup £ 2 billion just to stay in power is normal and no one complains, bet you'd have plenty to say if another EU country did that,just think about that for a minute! the tories literally bought the last election just to stay in power and do you think they'd have given that to the nhs instead had they won the election outright? in your dreams pal. yes Islamic terrorists are evil and must be eradicated but for your info, Pakistan, Bangladesh, india and Somalia are not in Europe, the uk is full of immigrants from countries like that way before the EU and you may well know paki bashing was a popular pastime in the 60's and 70's way before the EU was a factor in England, no blacks, no Irish and no dogs was common on front doors of guest houses and homes in the 50's right up to early 70's and there was no EU to speak of back then. in a fascist state that would be common as was the case in germany 1930's with no juden signs everywhere, by the look of things the uk especially England is showing scary signs of returning to those times and you have the audacity to call the EU a fascist dictatorship! you've either just been born or been locked up for decades and just got out! btw for your info the USA want to take over the uk nhs and privatise it and they will unless you stand up to the tories, bet people like you will blame the EU when that happens, oh we want our sovereignty back blah blah blah, you always had it and that's why May bought her premiership for £2 billion or do you think that's EU rules! bet you're still worried about bendy bananas aren't you?
LOL we are not "united". The UK is either part of us or it isn't.
The UK needs to be kicked out. The Remain types aren't as insane as the Brexit types, but equally completely ignorant of the respective power and UK's place in the world.
An utterly deluded society.
I don't believe the person who next door to me is a malevolent person. He's a great bloke. But I don't want him to have any say in what goes on in my house. And can O'Brien point to any racist comment Farage has made in public? If he had, plenty of people would have called for him to be charged under the various anti-racist laws we have in the UK. But it has never happened.
How's that going to work with WTO? You're cong to have to oblige to their standards as well.... Else you won't get in.
I like JoB but its a good thing he doesn't have reason to smile very often. He looks like a maniacal Jack Nicholson in The Shining
Hahaha
What he's saying is important not how he looks
JOB = one of the few journalists who actually asks callers to explain what they mean when they call in. Compare him to ITN/BBC who are often frightened of upsetting Brexit supporters. STOP BREXIT!
“People like you”.... it’s easier to say that to deal with your own fart foolishness going on in your brain. Maaaad
It’s cool be a liar..
When people know that they are losing an argument, why do they revert to insults?
It is a very well known about occurrence. It has to do with the Fight or Flight response. When we start to loss an argument will feel stupid and thus threatened. When threatened the body introduces more adrenaline - which quickens the heart rate and reactions and makes us more aggressive in preparation to fight or run away. I thing it was an important moment for me in my life when I was able to say 'You know what I think you are right, I was being bloody stupid, sorry' and the sky didn't fall in. But it took a lot of years to get to that point.
James 100% spot on
He really isn't. Once you understand how this man operates, the dogmatic belief system he dwells in and the cataclysmic levels of confirmation bias that surround his faux intellectualism he doesn't offer much beyond base reasoning. He's out of his depth when it comes to the complexities of geopolitics and treat/trade analysis.
@@jamiewilliams685 talk about faux intelectuals lol.
Al you have to do is use some logic and some common sense and you will clearly see that most people have no idea what they are talking about and are driven purely by emotion and frustration.
And all he does is expose that.
His supporters are to be divided into two categories, one half are those actually believe in what he's offering and there is the other half that can see his dog whistle bigotry for what it is but hate the thought of an independent Britain more than having an honest conversation with their intellectual conscious.
@@jamiewilliams685 a lot of words without any real message.
What is the bigotry you talk about?
And what is it that you believe he is offering to people?
Jamie don't waste your breath, these folk worship JO'B like a god but your description is spot on @@jamiewilliams685
James o Brien is a breath of fresh air. I love the way he dismantles the very tenuous arguments of Brexiteers which for to long has been accepted as factual by the paying public. Long may he continue to do this.
Paul Herlihy I heard him do exactly what you say, A leave caller said he wanted to come out of the EU because he wanted free movement to end, james told him that EU citizens have to have a job or a means of keeping themselves before being allowed in.Now I assume you know thats not true but the person who phoned in didn’t so it made James look right, clever.
Well done James O'Brien.
Well done for being a divisive, condescending, fear mongering, bigoted, hateful, smarmy, snarky, belittling, supercillious, mindless, fickle prick. Yes.
Yeah, O'Brien is neck and neck with Owen Jones for the most hated slimeball in the country.
Well done for what? Getting applause in a carefully picked room full of people who agree with him?
@ MHL83
'Well done for what?'
Well done for exposing Brexit for the farce that it is...
@@Craig121000Please can you provide the link to James O Brien debating directly with JRM.
It's not that Leave voters are inane. It's not right to insult them. It's that this issue is so complex (as can be seen by 'intelligent people' in Parliament, not being able to come to a consensus) that it should never have been put out as a binary referendum question, in the first place. It's way too complex an issue for a simple 'yes' or 'no' to describe what you might feel. In fact, it's a nonsense.
I will accept a deal, if we can formulate one, as I have to respect the democratic vote, but I'd prefer a second referendum ideally, as, at least now, we have much, much more information to make our simple, binary 'yes' or 'no' decisions, about this very complex issue.
James O'Brien's biggest problem in terms of his popularity is that he is invariably right...
We don't know JOB is right yet as the UK is still in the EU.
How many people would accept being ruled by the EU if they knew what the Lisbon treaty meant for the UK ? How many of us would complain about a £7 visa to visit one of our EU neighbours ? How many think remaining is the best idea ? Read below and feel free to do your own research if you think the points below can’t possibly be true ....... this is the simple truth from what I can gather from what the EU has in store ( yes I’ve trawled through everything I can find about this SELL OUT treaty ) i didn’t think it could possibly be true when I read the points below either. Why are our politicians so desperate to stay part of this club ???? 1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed. 2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s. 3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty. 4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.) 5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK. 6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today. 7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals. 8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs. 9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas. 10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights 11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights 12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty 13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation 14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent 15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy 16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them 17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths 18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc 19: The UK loses control of its judicial system 20: The UK loses control of its international policy 21: The UK loses full control of its national policy 22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right. 23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program 24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction 25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty 26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020
Wow, impressive list. Two questions though:
1) who approves treaties with the EU?
2) can you possibly provide us with the sources you so diligently used for the 26 issues you mention so we can read all about it?
I mean since you speak of the Lisbon Treaty, I did have a quick look at its wiki page here (but admittedly not read the entire legal texts of the actual treaty): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lisbon
So why do I ask you for the sources?
=> as far as I have been able to find out, most of the issues you list simply do not align with facts or treaty texts and several others have nothing to do with EU treaties (like the London/Frankfurt stock exchange merger which hasn't happened).
=> no vetos allowed is actually more democratic than the current system (where one veto can overrule a majority) - rejoice! Also, so far, most important issue voting is by unanimous agreement, meaning ALL the member states must agree to something, which, when not the case, has the same effect as a veto. Majority vote would be the same as how British parliament works, would it not?
=> 22, 23 and 24 leave me puzzled
ESA, while European, has nothing to do with the EU and as far as I know operates independently (and includes for example Switzerland!). Britain is part of that effort.
Leaving the EU will cut some academic funding and exchanges, yes. Staying won't. Deal - who knows, depends on negotiators.
=> 14 by which treaty? Can you point out the wording please?
Seriously, great job on finding all your information, but I'd really like to read up from actual sources for myself.
Thanks :-)
O'BRIEN vs REES MOGG: th-cam.com/video/mh5SLFRQ4Zg/w-d-xo.html (Finally..)
I heard the 'People like you' reason for why some people voted out. Was that basically the old 'You've done better than me (for whatever reasons, you worked heard, got yourself educated, got lucky, whatever) and I am jealous'?
I now feel very much like one of the "people like you." Im realise I'm well travelled and well educated when compared to peers.
Brexshit a wet dream in Harry Potter Land. Comes April Fools 2019. An bottomless abyss in Ukipstan. Britain has failed to modernize it's society and politics.
The trouble is you can’t have a conversation with someone from the other side because as soon as you disagree with a point view they dig a trench and sit in it, unwilling to concede any point or any ground
Both sides are guilty of that. Ends up in name calling.
Its a real problem. This nation has been watching too much tv, we get emotional instead of getting educated on the facts and reasoning a sensible and rational opinion. James is dead right, sound bites like taking back control are pointless and mean nothing without an explanation. The one that sticks with me is Gove and his comments about people having enough of experts.
John Ervine it’s because there are no fact checkers on these political programs or a decent host holding the guest to the question asked so these politicians just get away with saying anything that resonates with their audience whilst avoiding the questions being asked, it’s such a sorry state of affairs,
@John Ervine I don't think it's TV per se. It's bigger than that.
It's the entire marketplace of ideas.
The truth of the matter is that customers are frequently objectively wrong. But, if you want to be a successful merchant, you can't tell them that, because then they get annoyed and refuse to buy from you. To close a sale, you you have to pretend along with the customer that they're always right, *especially* if they're wrong. It makes them happy, which makes them like you, which removes the barriers from buying from you.
And in the marketplace of ideas _everyone_ is a customer. The marketplace of ideas has become *extremely* competitive over the limited resource of customer attention. So everyone has become extremely used to being treated as if their every opinion and whim is perfectly correct simply because they've had it - all the better to sell them on ideas, actions, good and services.
This constant reinforcement that a person's subjective beliefs are valid simply because they have them has has left people unable to deal the idea that there exists objective truth independent of our subjective beliefs. The core value of having belief aligned to objective truth to the greatest degree practically possible has been entirely lost for most people.
So the tools of critical evaluation of evidence and argument are viewed with suspicion; not as a pathway to truth to which we should all subject ourselves, but just another rhetorical technique to be applauded when we use it and dismissed when the other side does.
What people _feel_ is the tribalism of my opinion vs. yours and yours is no better than mine, so if you dismiss my opinion it's because you're unjustly talking down to me, and _how dare you_ talk down to me!
And thus the current political climate.
Trick is, I have no idea what to do about it, because I don't think that education will ever be incentivized the way that marketing is incentivized.
It's a bugger of a problem.
@Nobby Heads Your name says it all.
The EU's run by politicians😂. If you leave your trust in politicians, then all is lost.
James on the bbc please . James Thank You for some sanity 🙏
James on CNN or MSNBC please
We cpyld really use ypur insight
If he was on the BBC he would restricted in what he could say so He's fine where he is on LBC although I would like to see him on question time.
RoadKillzine no dear you are
RoadKillzine no
I voted leave and bitterly regret doing so. We were sold many many lies about control, sovereignty, trade etc.
My question to you is why do you think the MP's wanted the brexit in the first place? People like Farage and Johnson? Where they are now? Why I was seeing farage every single day on the TV and soon the brexit was done they all disappeared.
@@Seba-jq9zm Partly true but Farage has a popular channel on TH-cam but most UKIP types joined the Tories. Well they did around here. The backbench Tories are still there whereas Labour is tacking ever further rightward and playing the race card I areas where they're trying to regain blue wall seats.....
James O'Brien is wrong about the money point. Just because the money is small compared to other parts of our expenditure doesn't mean it should be dismissed. 47p per person is still a lot of money all together. We paid the Eu 13 billion in 2017. That's a lot of money. Eu spending on Britain is about 4 billion in 2017, so there is 9 billion we can't control.
And as a person who claims to be anti-sexist and anti-racist his attitude to working class people who fund his show by calling him is unacceptable.
Why is it so difficult to understand that the access to the single market, that you pay for with that 9 billion you "can't control", completely alleviates that cost. The UK economy is a multi trillion pound economy. 9 billion is a flash in the pan of that amount for what you get out of access to the biggest single market on Earth.
its called a trade arrangement ,we dont give money away even if thats how it might seem ,a sweetener if you like and every one does it . i am working class and proud of it but he does get some morons and he is a lot more polite than i would be
More importantly .. he was COMPLETELY wrong about the "name EU laws you don't like" point. I am happy to name 3 specific ones ... and I can do that repeatedly, with different ones each time ;o).
Just because he's too stupid to name 3 he DOES like ( it usually stops at freedom of movement ) is not my fault ;o).
do you think he's funded by paid calls ^^? he's being paid Because he does what he does, the way he does it;
more to the point, 13b is not 350m a week, right? and even more so 9b isn't 350m/week;
those 9b are a price of membership not a net loss, for that price you get certain privileges, here you can debate that you don't want those particular things, or that they're not worth it (economists will tell you they totally are) but at the end, it's not 9b for nothing, and worse even... you decided to vote based on a huge amount of lies ranging from bananas, through 350m to nhs, up to sovereignty
mike mcgregor his point was not the amount but that it was agreed by elected British governments and not stolen by the EU. So your point is incorrect
Again, brexit is now a massive word. Brexit has unveiled historic problems within this country, it is no longer a debate about the EU, but a debate about our own issues within this country
A problem with Brexit is that people do not truly know, hand on heart, that they will be better or worse off. I do not like the idea of Brexit - just on principle of being better together. But, no side has put forward a business case, risk assessment, project plan that have been peer reviewed. And no side has followed any best practice methodology for dealing with such a big, complex and important change project. Discipline from the start, would have possibly slowed things down, but clarity and certainty of possible outcomes would be clear. When things are clear, the ability to fuel some of the current bad behaviors would have been dramatically reduced.
It is hard to disagree with you (probably because you are right). I think I would say that the original referendum was a political construct, politics has always had an aspect of emotion and a smaller aspect of clarity and reason as time has gone on. It was never intended to be a choice between two clear plans with well-researched outcomes.
Richard Chalks Corriette
I disagree, we know that even the worst case scenario will not make us worse off but it will make us grow much more slowly. The question is are you willing to take this slower economic growth to gain democratic independence?
@@greeny202ab That is precisely the definition of worse off, despite your phrasing. We will be poorer in a year than we would have been without Brexit. And again in two years, and three, and so on. And following James, define "democratic independence." What do you mean by that?
@@ctwofirst6635
No we will still be better off than we are today just not as much as if we stayed in the single market but that is only in the short term. We will certainly not be any worse off than we are now and it is pretty good in the UK right now.
Besides Falklands oil drilling starts in 2021 and there is 6 billion barrells under there so any kind of economic damage done by Brexit will hardly be noticed at least until all that has gone.
"democratic independence"
To operate our democracy without interference from a foreign body or parliament acting for the good of an entire continent as opposed to the good of the UK.
Mainly the rejection of that damned awful Maastricht treaty.
Rubbish.
Most large business in the uk is here to access the eu market gua the single market (passporting) and customs union.
The eu27 will take them back and even companies that you think are Brit like RR cars are vulnerable.
Brexit makes the uk very vulnerable.
I'm American and I appreciate James O'Brien a great deal. We're facing the same issues on our side of the Atlantic. It's morbid but misery loves company I suppose. Trump and Brexit may seem like unrelated things on the surface, but the essential problem is the same. The Great Recession created a massive amount of economic anxiety and anger. Politicians gave big business and big banks massive bailouts while the majority of regular folks suffered the consequences of their reckless behavior. Naturally, mistrust of established institutions and leaders surged. Resentment and hate of minorities suddenly became mainstream when we all thought we'd banished such nonsense to the dark fringes of society. Right-wing populists & nationalists swooped in to take advantage of this situation by making eloquent and grandiose appeals to emotion that have masqueraded as "facts." They've successfully manipulated both mainstream and social media as well. I have no clue what the answer is to all this, but I wish mainstream media and the social media giants would do some soul-searching and figure out a solution.
James "it's why I'm slightly uncomfortable with the suggestion that we shouldn't be condescending or call people stupid because you will be accused of that however you treat a lot of these people"... That's because you are condescending and sneering James. I sometimes agree with James, though I can't help but cringe at how James sneers and interrupts and is condescending whether someone is right or wrong. It isn't a legitimate way to get true answers to be rude.
I don't understand why we are suddenly blaming austerity for the Brexit vote, when UKIP were in existence long before austerity.
and one gave a shit about them
If no one gave a shit about what they were saying, how come there was so much support for Brexit?
Why does James O’Brien always look like he needs a good wash??
Yes... He has a face for radio.
He went to a Catholic Boarding school- they are all like that. Just stay up wind of them.
I doubt disparaging his hygiene or physical presentation takes away from his intellect or his being correct or wrong on a subject. Scruffiness doesn't make you right or wrong. Just merely unkempt.
It's called facial 'hair'...
Mainstream media giving an expert vs opinion equal weight is the problem.
Every video on TH-cam with James O'Brien in it has an hysterical mob in the comments section ranting about all sorts of mad gibberish. It's profoundly unhelpful.
Some of them offering violence and talking of civil war like they've actually been in one and know the consequences.
What a shame James we have had another vote on leaving and Boris won so if you like Europe so much like all other remainers live over there then see what happens.
Simultaneously hilarious and depressing, like Farage's plane crash, the incident is the former, his survival is the latter. (well bit harsh, wouldn't wish harm on the racist little twerp really).
The ideal deal would be to exit Europe with an open option to re-enter. Because No One knows what's going to happen until it does, and even then you need the panic to settle. As for a second vote well that makes sense except for the fact that the voters are still totally uneducated in how government, economics, diplomacy and trade works.
Oh well lets never vote on anything because we are too stupid to understand. Speak for yourself I know why I vote and understand the ins and outs of how governments work.
@@redicderldavis then we should vote on 'everything' and have all the Facts yes? And Uneducated does not mean stupid my friend. It means a lack of knowledge.
People seem to be very extreme, angry, and entrenched this days. Unable or unwilling to listen to others opinions or points of view. Very sad.
I agree th-cam.com/video/do6MiP2A_U4/w-d-xo.html
When everyone's opinion is equally valid and there's no respect for facts nothing matters more than volume. And money makes a great amplifier. Nowadays people seem to rate the validity of a statement by how many upvotes, likes, or views it gets.
There was a time when I thought the Internet would be great because it would open up dialogue and make us come to the truth more democratically. I thought people were generally rational and honest. I thought the cream would rise to the top. A few more years has made me realize that cream isn't the only thing that rises. So does pond scum. And now we're in a time when pond scum and cream are expected to be given equal time simply on the basis of their prominence.
@@algreen8714 Trying to get to the truth, be it on this subject or any other seems impossible
The point on the distrust of the BBC is brilliant. The BBC is known the world over for impartial reporting and for reliable information yet it's distrusted by the English people who favour news outlets that even have a stated agenda. It boggles the mind. [Edit] mediabiasfactcheck.com/bbc/
I'd support a fact checker sitting in the LBC studio during O'Briens radio show.
That would be hilarious.
James dose not need a fact checker It's Farage & Reece Mogg who need one or better still just sack the pair of those conning, Lying, racist, fascist, cheating scumbags. You should ask Reece Mogg if you can have some of the £7 million he's already directly as a result of the Brexshit con he was part of.
The only drawback (or should I say 'prime benefit') to that is that it would effectively be the end O'Brien's show, since his entire modus operandi is to use spurious arguments and tendentious 'facts' to bully callers into submission - when confronted by anyone with half a grasp of what's going on, he falls flat on his face.
@@MrRailjunkie the racist card is so pathetic.
@@Betterthantelly yeah it's pathetic to try & shut down anyone calling out racism. Listen as long as racism exists I will keep calling it out where It exists.
18:32 "a bitterly divided nation for a decade or two."
Rich and poor is a huge divide and has been there for centuries and will endure for decades even if brexit never happened at all.
And it really is people like him and James o brien that the country voted leave.
The lack of understanding that immagration pushes up housing costs and as a result helps nurses get to the position on rent week not to eat much at all even though they help deliver millionaires babies.
I hear you mate but the housing crisis is the fault of our governments over the years. How many mp's have large property portfolios and why would they flood the market with homes and risk loosing money
Your complaints have absolutely nothing to do with EU membership. That's the point.
Do you have any proof at all that the increase in housing is a result of the EU or is in fact due to inflation?
House prices in the UK have on averaged doubled every 10 years since the 1920's. We joined the EU half a century later.
Stop making me feel privileged and elitists, it's elitist and privileged people like you that made me vote Leave... (somehow sounds ironic...)
Do you think should the UK leave Nato?
Maybe you should have based your vote on a well thought basis instead of how people made you feel.
@Big Lurch Aka Looney2 ECC I though it would be the other way😂😂😂
I need to ask: as a person who fully knows I'm one of those people: what is it about people like me when people say "it's because of people like you"?
Does that make sense?
A lot of truth was said. Cannot ask for more than that.
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963
@@Iazzaboyce ??????
Are you asking people to deliberately hurt the UK?
@@Iazzaboyce petition.parliament.uk/petitions/226509
For you this is true, but for other people the opposite is true. The best way a society can get resolution on different political opinion is for everyone to hear all the arguments and have the electorate vote. This system is called 'democracy' and the only possible alternative is called 'fascism'. Fascism is when some members of society believe their ideas are more justified than any opposing ideas and inevitably they impose their 'truth' on society by using propaganda and fear. In 2016 the UK had a fair referendum, there was record participation and the result was that the UK should leave the EU. So, please stop being a fascist.
@@Iazzaboyce I go by the facts. Something leavers hate, really hate.
It's not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact.
Leaving will hurt the UK. FACT.
Can you assert that it will not?
No one has explained what will the options be if the undemocratic uk has a so called peoples vote. And what if the result still favors leave .will these people want another vote and if its a remain win would you let the voters who want to leave have yet another vote where will it end
all the salt coming from brexiters toward JOB makes me think he must be kinda on point.
I know, right?
The leaver doth protest too much, methinks.
Its called debate and as a leaver I find listening to the concerns of remainers important you should try it. I do not have all the answers but I have a conviction that is as valid as any other I just happen to be on the side that won the referendum and want to get on with it. One thing that concerns me is that a lot of remainers seem to be willing the UK to fail. If we do leave then all hands need to be on deck. The UK for all of its faults is still a tolerant and immensely viable nation and last time I looked one of the worlds greatest democracy's. .
FFF : Leave voters choose their 3 favourite letters.
JO'B has converted more leavers to brexiteers - Keep up the good work.
He hasn’t
You always go on the good side of the public. They are not to blame ...they just want the power to change everything but bare no responsibility over those changes. They just want to vote .... love island , brexit ...doesn't matter It's all the same for those people.
If it were not for "those people" Europe would not exist.
@@redicderldavis Very well said.
wait shouldnt he be arrested for saying someones stupid? im making a joke here
Sad that you had to explain it was a joke.
As a working class bloke. I do understand, that " because of you" I have thought that way. But I've always, put evidence before feeling.
And?
James is quite correct about political panel shows with their supposed impartiality.
BBC Question Time on the 7th February, which came from Motherwell in Scotland, is a prime example. A member of the audience was allowed to go on an anti SNP, anti Scottish Independence rant on a question which was about Brexit.
The individual had appeared on 3 previous programs coming from Scotland & this was the 4th time that he was allowed to comment. He had previously stood as a candidate for UKIP.
Since I'm not British can somebody explain it to me why the hell did David Cameron went on with this Brexit referendum when he had absolutely no obligation to do so and he was against Brits leaving the EU. Why did he went on with this suicide move? Thank you
I see no one has answered your question for over 2 years. Cameron gave the country the referendum because of pressure from the right wingers on his back benches and the threat of UKIP (Farage) picking up conservatives votes. The stupidest decision ever made for the sake of retaining power….😱
And these people are exactly why people voted to leave
why
The left case against the EU is rarely made since Tony Benn died but the EU rules against nationalisation and the minimum VAT rate are valid criticisms. However, neoliberal policies that destroyed our manufacturing since the 70s have put us in a worse position for brexit, and we're unlikely to elect a government that would take advantage of such freedoms.
OMG Why is he wearing teenage high sole trendy trainers! What a FILA Peed!!!
only you know what that means. Does that mean something?
the subject of Brexit it what is it to be a sceptic . of the "EU", well on the subject of the Tread deal the UK , have know say in the subject, mater. se lick Newzzeland lam & often. argentines beef. but we cant have ether as the "EU" ues our trad vote in a block. so we do not get new Zealand Lam as we would like Because it will hart French sheep farmers as well as welsh sheep farmers.. inclosing what's good-for the "EU" is not so good for the UK.
I can not wait til the second referendum comes in and I can look the nearest Brexiteer in the face and tell them to 'Get over it'. Didnt get the Brexit you want ? 'Get Over it'. Article 50 gets extended ? ' Get over it'.
Well said, the sooner we have a new referendum the better.
Here come the fascists
@@jamiewilliams685 Really? Fascists? I and others like me have had to spend the last two years being told by Brexit supports to 'Suck it up and get over it'. That tiny majority have lauded 'democracy' over the rest of us for all this time, all the time crying at us 'Its the will of the people' . Never for one second taking in to account the large minority and their feelings and opinions. And now, when it looks like the wheels are coming off the Brexit dream and the Remainers start getting vocal once again, they are called 'Fascists' in an attempt to shut down the argument...because Fascist trumps everything else right?....Wrong. A second referendum on all the options will be the true will of the people and that will trump everything. We have had a little preview of how a brexit would look and the people dont like it. Blue Passports just aint worth it.
lets do best of 10
I thought you were going to say kick the near is the Brexiteer in the face
A "debate" with only one side.
looking to the comment section, i wander if any brexiteers will aknowledge their current position sometime in june ...My guess is NOT.
People like them..100%
i will tell you which law i dont like obrien , do you even know the fundamental difference between british law and european law? and do any of you remainers here know ? well let me explain. eu law is based on napoleonic law which stipulates everything you are "allowed¨ to do under law, ie there is a law for everything you are allowed to do, you are not allwoed to do anything that is not stipulated in the 1000s of volumes of law. British law on the other hand only stipulates what you ¨cant ¨do by law, but everything else is allowed. and therein lies the fundamental difference. one you are controlled by the state and the other ( british law,) allows the individual to do what he likes as long as he does not break the law. ie do something that is stipulated to be illegal, this is a very serious difference that people should understand. british law is freedom, eu napoleonic law is fundamentally the nanny state and at worst down right slavery should it ever get that far.
"I will tell you WHICH law I don't like o'brien" and yet you cannot name a single law you oppose
Well thats a very grimm misrepresentation if ever one was given.
First off; im not saying you are wrong about the napoleonic laws, I didn't know about it and I will definetly read up on this. So thanks for that.
But back to your statement and why bothered me. You express it could lead to a state of slavery, which is quite misleading, considdering that, on order for any law like that to be passed the EU national leaders and the EU democraticly elected parliament would have to unanomously agree to such a profound change of overruling the national constitutions on this regard. So that simply will never happen. It is just as unlikely as the UK turning into May's private slave pen...
To continue on this; the EU's powers of creating legislation are very confined to the articles that dictate where it can act. What u are now describing, is like it affects all UK laws. That is in no way true.
To ask a lame question, could u point out an EU law that limits your personal freedom or the UK laws for that matter?
The EU is a trading union first and foremost. And the laws it creates are designed by and vetted by very democraticly elected representatives. Including the UK government.
I hope u take some of my perspective as I am about to read up on your suggestion and try to understand your point of view.
@@ZeeBraam please do, too many people are really not aware of what this is about, its scary. so very happy more check this out
@@ZeeBraam that and british law presumes innocence before guilt, napoleonic law doesnt have that presumption, its up to the accused to prove their innocent to clear their name, that is a very serious difference, i know which one i prefer.
@@ralphvandereb66 Ehm not that's definitely not true... You really don't have a clue have you?
The last question and answer make me realise this a very sad and never ending problem. The next bigger problem is around the corner. We just need to wait
Loved all the bald heads in shot when she said about all the young people engaging in the day!
I went bald at 21.
That's it folks Tory cock up but lets blame the Labour Party.
You want to see what Labour would do. Campaign for a general election vote for Labour and then know what Corbyn will do
James laughably misrepresents his opponents throughout this video, while throwing in personal insults wherever he can. Kinda lame.
JOB will not go on panels because he does not like his holy and sacred views questioned yet he has dissenters on his show. Apart from his rabid brexit stance I love listening to his show as he really is a kind and decent man.
I don't think James minds having his views or facts challenged he just wants it to happen to everyone on panel shows as well.
I would love to see James Ob as leader of the Labour Party,
Could you Imagine PM,s Questions lol
He is an independent journalist, let's hope he remains that way.
Trough Brexit, trough government change, shining a light on facts and truth.
The UK needs more of those, and less politicians who are on their knees to get reelected.
@@dutchman7623 Seconded. Though I agree with the OP in the sense that parliament could use smart, plain speaking people like O'Brien (and I will not say 'common sense' people because that's a meaningless platitude), not having him as an outside voice would be a loss.
Captain Backfire [aka JoB] would be a perfect leader of the Labour Party. Just like Jeremy Corbyn, he has failed to date to commit to any policy alternative to reverse Brexit - no commitment to a fresh referendum or to revoke the Art. 50 process.
Do they have a sound button so he can turn them down when presented with facts he does not like
Hes an idiot?