James O'Brien Speaks To Former Vote Leave Staffer Oliver Norgrove | LBC
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- This is a fascinating conversation between James O'Brien and Oliver Norgrove, who worked for Vote Leave during the Brexit referendum campaign, but says he would now vote Remain.
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I was impressed when he said "What do you mean?" to James's metaphor. It's a question that no politician would ask in case it suggested weakness, when in fact it's a sign of strength.
Couldn't agree more.
Exactly right!
This guy is an honest analyst.
Another small point that Brexiteers like JRM should understand is that Northern Ireland is part of Ireland - physically, socially, economically, historically - whereas it's been part of Britain only politically.
I'm very glad he asked because I didn't get it either.
really excellent point, and something I noticed and admired straight away.
I noted that too! I too was thinking, what did James mean, so glad he asked, otherwise I would never have found out. This guy wasn't afraid to express that he didn't know something, bless his heart. Nothing but respect and admiration for him!
Something that doesn't get mentioned much. I've lived in England all my life and am now 67 years old. I am English, British, a proud Wulfrunian. And yet, above all that... A proud EUROPEAN. Brexit dealt my heart a huge emotional blow.
What is a Wulfrunian?
@AWESOME 888 In the UK there is about 50M on the electoral role and out of that number only about 200,000 got to vote for our present PM. And out of that 200,00 only 80,000 voted for her. That's less than 1% of the electoral role than voted for her so she's all but unelected. And that is a disgrace!
@AWESOME 888
Today, after 12 yrs of Tory rule, most British people would probably prefer the rule of the grey suited, sensible Eurocrat, than the rabid Brexiteers that we've ended up with. EU protectionism makes so much sense, when you've lost it, and our country is far from world beating, except possibly providing tax havens for the only people that have benefitted from this nightmare, the super rich.
Being European doesn’t change, the EU is something quite different.
@AWESOME 888 and free movement was introduced through the back door with not one vote cast, we didn’t vote to join we were already members when we got a vote.
I find this is the most heartwarming interview and response I have heard. This has nudged me toward hope again, which was essentially lost previously. Thank you both.
Easy to say after the damage has been done.......
Me too! X
Lol how much hope do you still have? Thought so.
Why?
He's a pillock
It's taken TH-cam three years to suggest this to me. I find that quite telling. As a Remain voter, I still seriously appreciated Oliver's integrity in this interview. My youngest Son has a friend, who after very adamantly voting Leave, and ignoring my Son's advice, also admitted to him since that he feels he made a mistake. Again, my Son appreciated his Friend's integrity in being able to do so. We didn't vote Remain because we thought being a part of the block was perfect. We did so because we knew not being would be detrimental. Oliver stated he didn't have sympathy for those who doubled down on their Leave choice. Three years on, after my Son having now lost THREE jobs... and yes, those lack of car imports have become a major issue when your Son is a specialist in his field, the companies he works for lose European contracts, or can't meet deadlines, because they can't get parts through our ruined border controls, and let's not even talk about the added VAT, and duty costs... due to those Leave votes, or the fact that just this last week, and my Pharmacy is still struggling to get a hold of my Meds, that keep me alive, you can bet yours that I have no sympathy for them either. I'm still waiting for just one of them to tell me what their personal gain has been. Other than the continued ability to say 'I won', or be childish, and call me a Remoaner.
So sad to hear. I hope things work out you and your fam. So much destruction caused by people that won’t be held accountable for it (and are likely profiting off it).
As an American on the outside looking in, all of this stuff from James O'Brien has been incredibly enlightening when it comes to the whole situation. The nuance can get lost in the US coverage of it, so a conversation like this is incredibly insightful.
howdie
You don't need to respond I just get very angry when things don't make any sense.
J O'Brien can be obnoxious but he also makes a lot of sense.
@@beamerman4000 Obnoxious or expressing his right to have an opinion?
You shouldn’t rely on JOB to be balanced, insightful or anything else.
Got to admire People that learn from their mistakes .
well, yes - they come right after the people that get it right the first time though ...
@@Alfadrottning86 I'll take his humility over your arrogance though
He hasn't . Everyone has overlooked the elephant in the room. The real problem is it is a capitalist EU ,when we left the EU the workers are still exploited by the capitalists, we may have had some advantages of remaining in the EU but big business is about exploiting workers for profit. Take a look at the discontent in France. it won't belong until the yellow vests come out again.
He hasn't . Everyone has overlooked the elephant in the room. The real
problem is it is a capitalist EU ,when we left the EU the workers are
still exploited by the capitalists, we may have had some advantages of
remaining in the EU but big business is about exploiting workers for
profit. Take a look at the discontent in France. it won't belong until
the yellow vests come out again.
What mistakes?
'We sort of treat N Ireland like an unwanted son.' How very true. People in the rest of the UK seem to forget N Irelands problems are the direct result of UK government action or inaction over hundreds of years. It is absolutely the responsibility of the UK to help resolve the issues here.
_"N Irelands problems are the direct result of UK government action or inaction over hundreds of years."_
Totally agree. No blame can be laid at the feet of semi-literate half-wits who decided it would be helpful to thier hearts and minds strategy to murder women and children as they went about their shopping, or plant bombs and run away like the cowards they are.
Some of you muppets need to realise that the border issue relating to Brexit, actually isn't an issue at all. Precisely nothing needs to change at the border - 1% of goods is currently checked, and all manner of smuggling goes on without the EU having the slightest interest in it.
@@ginskimpivot753 I used to watch John Major trying to sort all this out on telly when I was about 12 and even then I'd look at the mess in Northern Ireland and think what pathetic men they were. At 12 years old.
@@ginskimpivot753 - Sounds like you are a typical condescenting Brit and the reason that N Ireland would be better off without you. Do you not understand that Brexit changes the customs situation? Goods aren't checked at the boarder now because both the North and the Republic are members of the EU and thus no tax and they are following the same regulations. That all changes when the North is no longer part of the EU.
Greg Brogan
Peachy. So if the EU wants border checks at its border, the EU can implement them and like it.
Hopefully, they'll do a little better there than they did with horsemeat crossing borders and getting into the human food chain, toxic breast implants, and immigrants by the tens of thousand that they lost track of when Germany opened its arms and said _"Come on in!"_
I spent 22 in the forces and fought for my country thanks. My opinions are not altered by bigots.
@@ginskimpivot753 - You call a group "semi literate half wits" and don't realise YOU are the bigot! Zero self awareness!
Ah, that's great - so it's just the EU's boarder issue - so you would allow the EU to tax and control goods from the UK, but you would allow the EU to send anything they want into the UK free of tax and controls. Oh, you calling people "semi literate half wits"... again, the lack of self awareness is just too much!
It takes an intelligent and honorable person to recognise ones mistake!
I don't think he's recognised it yet.
How’s it going Roxy ? 😂😂😂
Yes.
Oh I don’t think intelligence or honour is a prerequisite in terms of admitting mistakes or changing one’s mind. Strength of character and independent thought is one of the very few levellers open to everyone regardless of status or IQ. But I take your point that it tends to be the more fortunate that are in a position to think about and act on such things.
How was it a mistake? Of course he should have voted leave
Still one of the most important Brexit interviews as far as I'm concerned. So much sense. The whole house of cards undermined by a few blatant facts...
It’s so important because the truth is being spoken
But futile
I felt the exact same way as the staffer at the time… I think in my experience being that I was 16 when the brexit vote began during my political awakening I was convinced us leaving would’ve the best thing and I think being in the working class but doing well at school and university puts this level of arrogance in a young person and having people push it (rightly or wrongly) as a race issue only made me double down when I was presented with facts that I simply didn’t like… I think it being touted correctly as the biggest generational impact just made us at 16 have to form opinions about it and at that age slogans and buses are very convincing
The Big Con… I am glad I didn’t have the ability to vote and that isn’t on my conscience and I feel bad for people similar to myself who feel the same way.
Would love to say Sorry to the guys who I would’ve argued with.
As James tried to push a lil...wasn't your fault. The money put into this con was staggering
@@skindred1888 As a US citizen looking over, I wish we do the same thing, as in rethinking our decision and apologizing for it.
However, I say we, humanity, need to repair the damages and find solutions to the problem at hand.
Didn't you think how brexit would affect your chances to study/work outside the UK? Most young people think about it. You won't be able to freely and easily travel and stay in UE countries.
I respect your comment but don't talk about "us at 16". You were arrogant, not everybody your age were
I was 18 at the time, and I got angry with my tutor when he said he voted to leave. I was at the end of an engineering manufacturing course, and the vote literally was undoing everything I'd spent 2 years building. I didn't think that people would actually vote to destroy British industry and discourage international investment. At the time our problem was we didn't have enough engineers to replace the ageing workforce, now we don't have a workforce lol.
But there was a lot of misinformation and due to social media, the radicals got more attention than their narrow perspectives deserved.
@@UkSapyy, or their underlying self-serving objective.
Gotta say big respect for Oliver Norgrove, clearly an honest and intelligent person - we need more people like him leading the debate and fewer sycophants and blusterers
Why?, just because he changed his mind?. Was he a blithering idiot and dishonest before he changed his mind?
@@pb004l7138 no, in his own words...he just wasn't informed enough.
He wasn't informed enough!!dosent he have the internet .I read all about it on the internet(I'm 65)the more I read the more I realised the eu is crap
@@lesliehall7683 and I'm 39 and the more I have read on the internet the more I realize that the EU is flawed but very useful.
It's all in what sources you use to base your opinion on.
@Leslie Hall 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀YOU!!!!
As a Northern Irish person I can confirm that what Oliver said about being treated like an unwanted son is accurate to how many feel here
Would you be happy to see a United Ireland in the future?
I would completely agree with that. Always struck me as weird that England (for it is England) didn't just pull out of Ireland as there's no great love for NI or the Unionists. Also a bit weird the Brexit could open door to a united Ireland where 30 years of war didn't.
I felt that in the 80s. I lived there as an RAF child for 3 yrs and felt Northern Ireland was treated worse than Wales was. And I am a valleys born child who seen the destruction of the miners strike and Thatcherism.
@@JeromekJerome1972 they can't "just pull out", because then the Unionists would kick off. As the position stands, it's up to the people of NI to decide whether to be in the UK or join the Republic (UK and Ireland have agreed to this in the Good Friday agreement) - there's really no better way to resolve conflict in the area.
One just needs to visit Carrickfergus to see how neglected Northern Ireland is. Westminster MPs need to tour these town centres to see how their people are living, rather than never leaving their little bubble of Whitehall, Pall Mall and Fitzrovia.
A lot of people saying he is intelligent. He thought the EU needed us more than we need them. Respect is due for humbly admitting he was wrong but that was one of the most ridiculous arguments from Leave voters.
There' no such thing as a s
That's the thing though, even intelligent people go with their gut feeling most of the time and justify it afterwards. And once you've chosen to be for or against something, once you're in that mindset, it doesn't take much to make you say 'That makes sense' and not really think about it or seek out more information about it.
Voteleave spent a lot of money (which they Still haven't explained the origins of) convincing people of that idea.
He is intelligent (capable of comprehending). He admitted he did what he did through ignorance (lack of knowledge).
Sounds like he is making excuses for being lacking in judgment. The point is though that he and his cretins have done their damage, and so the priority is to get rid of the criminals on the Government benches and repair the damage done as best and as quickly as possible.
Someone give the lad a glass of water!!
I'm slightly ashamed to say I voted leave through ignorance and being blatantly lied to, hopefully I get chance to put it right.
yes you can, make a promis to your self to never vote for guys/parties that started this, and be a part on making the ones that made this happen pay, and pay for it forever.
Too late !!
😂😂😂😂😂
Well said fight for your democratic right to change it we will stand with you shoulder to shoulder x
Considering how UKG have behaved over the past 6 years, especially in relation to Northern Ireland, I wouldn’t be holding my breath.
Honestly, and without being too forceful about it, we don’t want the U.K. back.
🤷♂️
Every Brexiteer should listen to this Interview.
Very impressed with the smartness of Oliver, but even more impressed with his ability to admit that Brexit, and therefore his views were unrealistically optimistic. He is a patriot and didn't mean harm to the country, not so sure about some Tories.
This government has messed everything up through greed, lies and a lurching far-right agenda. The problem isn't Brexit so much, but the people in charge of implementing it.
Unfortunately most won’t
Would be nice to see an updated interview with this guy, now we are in 2021
yes, I'd very much like to hear from him
Yes please!
I was just thinking that exact same thing, it's actually so refreshing to have such an open and honest chat from both sides of the discussion.
hear hear!
I agree
"I simply didn't pay enough attention to the Irish border and the Northern Ireland issue."
And that right there is the Brexit mess in a nutshell.
@Michael James don't call someone else unschooled then post the dumbest things imaginable. Norway/Sweden are both in the single market and don't need open borders, so totally irrelevant, and closing the border is the problem. 3000 people died last time there was a border, happy for more people to die?
Michael James You’re very unschooled if you think that ROI will ever rejoin the UK. Neither do any of the border regions you refer to have a recent history of civil war.
Michael James The fact that you use the term ‘Southern Ireland’ for our Republic says everything that needs to be said about you. I’d say that even if I wasn’t from a Border area, couldn’t see the Border area from my bedroom window at home, hadn’t grown up with checkpoints and soldiers during The Troubles, and hadn’t crossed the Border literally thousands of times in my middle-aged life - only for absolute morons like yourself suddenly declaring yourselves experts on the Border. Idiot.
Ver Coda Indeed. What is “southern” about the Inishowen peninsula for instance?
Michael James Greek Swiss??? did you forget the half dozen other countries inbetween Greece and Switzerland?....lol
There are many folk in Britain who would gladly label this modest, intelligent, mild mannered and insightful young man as a ‘traitor’. That’s how perhaps irrevocably messed up and poisoned Britain has become.
Being mild mannered doesn't make anyone a hero, so let's take that off the table.
We are then left with 'insightful', and 'Intelligent'. Well, being 'Insightful' is a very contraversial argument. The future hasn't yet greeted us with its presense, so I'll have to ignore that statement.
Your other remark of being 'intelligent' is an interesting one. Just because he agrees with you, makes him intelligent? What evidence do you have that he's intellegent?
Hear hear David!
@@Salvation5100 What a strange comment. You don't have to be Nostradamus to be insightful - just need demonstrable knowledge of facts and cogent, logical thinking that will enable you to best understand how things work and how things may work out. This fella is more insightful than any present Brexiteer I've met or seen on screen.
Intelligent - well he's studying for a MSc so he's at a higher level of education than most Brexit voter (Fact check me- you'll see I'm right). And more articulate than most. Are you disputing his intelligence because you are not happy with what he says? If not, explain why you dispute his intelligence, Salvy me old mucker.
And yes being mild mannered doesn't in itself make you a good person or innocuous (look at JRM). But i personally would rather that than the belligerence, sneering, aggression and death threats that is more associated with the Leave believers.
@@darrendiggins9853 True but he has the maturity to admit he was wrong and that is to his credit.
@100Davros why are you fixated on race?
The Dunning-Kruger is real and more dangerous than it is given credit for. It's praise-worthy that this young man found his way out of it.
I wish the U.S had people who when theyre wrong can admit that.... in my country we have terrorists who storm capitals when they are wrong
Brave guy, smart guy for working through the issues and then having the conviction to change his mind, put his hands up and be honest. The world needs more people like this.
Joe Metcalf so is he now only ‘brave and smart’ because he agrees with your viewpoint? I voted remain, but now think we should leave. Am I too brave and smart?
@@robertbarton4776I'd certainly give you brave, maybe not smart.
I know where you're coming from, but if he was even kind of smart he would have done his research prior to the referendum, not two years later in 2018 when the politics of the UK was mired in this nonsense. I just hate watching people make a huge mess of things, interrupt other peoples lives then go 'sorry' and get to use the whole thing as an experience of personal growth. He might drop down to Honda's factory and tell everyone who's been made redundant how much he's learned about international trade agreements being 'actually really hard'.
Does it matter that people like him change their minds? I mean the damage is already done and might not be repairable.
I wouldn't say he is smart, he was an idiot to just vote without proper information and voting on feelings alone.
Like Joe says here, he is brave to accept his mistake and admit to it. If people like him were smart they wouldn't vote for brexit in the first place.
Just a view from outside of UK. Might be totally wrong tho.
supereliptic Oh please, and how many corporations and businesses have gone under while being in the EU.
Thrilled with honest discussion. Not just rage opinons. Impressed with Mr Norgrove's showing great integrity.
there only a lack of rage because he agrees he made a mistake
Not a BUNKER a pathetic echo chamber
Fascinating and illuminating conversation. Well done Oliver Norgrove for your insights and honesty.
he answered the question???? should already become a politician
3:38 was pretty damning. Someone working on the leave campaign admits to "simply not paying enough attention", which ironically is why most of the simpletons voted for it in the first place. At least this man has enough intelligence to realise he was wrong, it's a shame the rest of the country can't admit they were sold a pack of lies.
"We sort of treat Northern Ireland like an unwanted son" I quote that a few days after a bus in Northern Ireland was petrol bombed and the UK PM Boris Johnson is NOWHERE to be seen. What a sad and telling situation.
"No one could have known...." except for everybody who knew the basics of Irelands history with the UK and what Brexit will mean in regards to this situation.
Sadly never met anyone who is pleased NI is part of the UK. Visiting there a few years back it seemed like a foreign country and didn't feel that connection at all.
Watching in 2020...in politics "we need more honesty". Poor fella.
Try 2022.
@@UkSapyy or February 2023 🫣
He admits to having been profoundly wrong. He has the integrity to admit it and the intellect to reason himself to the right conclusions in the end. I would hire him.
'Were you still able to retain all the benefits of membership?'
OK that was good lol
Every 'benefit' can be had outside the EU.
@@arteee27 really? so we have full and unrestricted access to the Single Market, without any tariffs or red tape?
@@arteee27 Astonishing that after all these months post Brexit some people still live in a fantasy and keep lying to themselves.
if i was Scottish, the moment that Brexit passed, i would have been pushing for another Independence Vote.
Why?
"...and I'm not trying to absolve myself of responsibility..."
You really are, mate, and more than a little bit.
LOTS of people, long before the day of the referendum vote, were raising concerns about how the GF agreement could work in practice *and* have the border now also be a UK/EU border.
'I was in my brexit bubble' isn't an excuse, ESPECIALLY, from someone who was involved in the campaign.
"it just wasn't discussed"
What fvvking myopic ignorance.
What a refreshing interview. Thank you both. Integrity is not a completely forgotten concept after all.
Nice to see someone on the show capable of critical thought and able to articulate it. Greetings from your neighbors to the east. Sorry to see you lot go.
We’ll be back..but this time as proper members..euro, the lot. 😉
In other words - he didn know nothing about what he was fighting against. And children learn about the EU in the school! At least in Europe do.
It is so strange that so many points mentioned here were sort of obvious for me from the start. I wonder if it's because as a Czech, I wasn't in an "UK bubble". After all, UK leaving the EU ment that we lost an important partner in the "reform" camp.
the eu seems to have a goal of "integration"
i read that as centralization with less and less ability for citizens of nations to control the fate of their nation
the "redistribution" part smells like bribery and very ideological
Naming the border "The Irish Border" diverted many from the fact that it is actually the UK border. Maybe if some had thought about it that way people would have realised how important it is.
No it's the Irish border and Leo knows it, he will have to implement it for his puppet masters in Brussels.
@@Kraken54321 that is not true! Extract from wikipedia: "the border was created in 1921 under the United Kingdom Parliament's Government of Ireland Act 1920".
Simple question: who decides who governs the UK? The Irish or the Brussels government? Is the British people a possible answer?
We made that decision, now we can make the low-friction border work, or the Irish in cahoots with Brussels may choose to create problems which aren't there now.
@@richardfox6595 The eu needs to protect its border. The Roi is not in cahoots to make the British suffer but to respect their legal obligations and enforce a border. Why do brexishitters always put the blame on others rather than looking at the facts? For information, there are over 250 roads between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Plus goodness knows how many miles of fields. Try stopping illegal immigrants with just the technology! "Taking control of our borders", really? Do it then..
@@richardfox6595 The border is the core issue. It's the primary reason why the deal wasn't agreed in Parliament. Anyone with any understanding of what makes up the UK would have seen that was the main problem since 2016. I live in NI - I am a citizen of the UK. No deal & GFA puts us on the horns of two opposing UK laws. It's a problem of the UK's making. You can make as many decisions as you like but we have to make sure the law is correct. No deal means a border by default. No border means a deal exists. It really is as simple as that and any one of the 3 parties can make that decision which results in a border but it breaks a UK law - the GFA.
It's so refreshing to hear intelligent people speaking and making coherent discourses. This feels a proper debate. So often I watch clips (yes, clips, I don't live in the UK to be able to tune in) that are so one-sided.
a smart guy who's honest about changing his opinions with a lot of blood on his hands is still not my pal
Smart guy who didnt know enough but still dedicated himself to encourage people to damage their livelihoods for personal gain. I respect that he has changed his mind but If you take a side you should really know enough
@Real M exactly, coming around is not an automatic redemption for things past
Too little too late mate
Come on people he is not like an SS capo killing Jews by the ten thousands.
He is/was a a clever but impressionable young person who realized his folly on his own.
Quite admirable especially that most people never do that.
@@alexanderhowcroft8779 how many people understood what brexit was prior to voting?
Oliver, your hair looks fine. Leave it alone.
Maybe he is lying. It's a common tell.
His stressed, it doesn't mean his lying.
Looks like nervousness to me and it is hard confessing you’ve made a mistake of this magnitude on national radio.
@@RichardGlazer I don't trust either of them.
He might be flirting with O’Brien. Or nervous about exposing his thoughts live.
Brexit is like having your library burned down, by people who don't read.
JOB loves this "who the heck is he". EU have behaved exactly as they should on behalf of its members.
What a refreshing change to listen to a Brexiteer who doesn't turn into a swivel eyed loon within 20 seconds. Now this guy I can respect and listen to even if I disagree with him.
That's a very bigoted point of view. I marched with and know many leave voters they are good decent people unlike the remoaners mainly cyclists who shouted vile abuse at a march with women and children in it.
@@davidknight2104 Good, decent, deluded, gullible and conned people.
@@seekingthemiddleway4048 you are just proving my point i don't want to live in a European super state with a commission I can not elect....
@@davidknight2104 You want the European civil service to be elected but no other civil service in the world is elected and certainly not the British one. Why David?
Seekingthemiddle Way he doesn't have an answer lol
An interview with Farange would be nice... Except that he now lives in the EU/ Germany.
It is, in my opinion, a national failure that the UK just does not speak about its role in Northern Ireland's troubled past. Unfortunately this is the concequence. Much respect to Oliver Norgrove.
Looking at it from EU, I don't think UK will be able to avoid its past any longer. Much like with Trump, we all pay far too much attention to keep it away from global public awareness. All your faults and flaws are on full display, and there's no going back.
@Billy McCarthy Thank you! Are you from UK? What's the (general) mood there right now?
Because we are bored shitless with it.
@@marcbiff2192 You're bored with war, death and destruction still present in living memory in part of your own country? Well, good for you.
@@weareallbornmad410 what are you talking about
This is one of the best videos about Brexit. It should be shared widely.
It shows how so many were lead up the garden path.
This guy wanted to remain in the customs union and the single market. He should have voted remain in the first place.
It’s not his fault if the question on the ballet paper didn’t reflect the myriad of different possible outcomes.
Staying in the customs union is still leaving the eu. In any event we will have to trade with the eu, peter hitchens wanted a norway deal which entails staying in the common market, no one can accuse him of being pro eu..
hitchens is an odd one, but he can be very logical and consistent sometimes, the question is, is Norway in the EU?? If it isn't then that answers your question, maybe you should ask some Norwegians.
Yes and I think that Hitchens line on this is reasonable, I actually voted to leave due to misgivings over the way the EU treated Greece and Ireland, I don't want to see the UK join the single currency or be absorbed into a federal Europe, however we will need to trade with continental Europe whatever happens. I now regret my decision as I have come to see the brexit campaign is dominated by dangerous ideologues, I actually think they want an economic crisis to push through a much more extreme agenda. By the way I do disagree with hitchens on many issues but respect his anti war stance and general refusal to conform, he is a true rebel in many ways, he never takes the easy path. @CastAirLead
He wants to be part of the trading bloc only... he does not want the close unity, single currency drive an EU Armed forces, single state controlled from Brussels
Norway deal is a prime example
This guy seems a little naive now but is doing all the right things of questioning his own point of view. Give him a few more years of experience and this guy is going to do really well in life.
If this guy is saying he was ignorant of the facts then what must the others be?
@Richard L really you want permeant ignorance, then I suggest vodka.
@Richard L That's the problem vodka if any mistake.
Brexit was about Sovereignty and not economics.
@@DorsetMushroomHunter but Brexit also involves the economy and trade deals and all those other inconvenient things, next to the sovereignty thing.
@@DorsetMushroomHunter Agree. It was about emotions and not reason.
The amount of dislikes just shows the same amount of hurt that the country has received. People just can't deal with it. It's just so sad.
The government are *International BOLSHEVIKS* , but, any mention of this fact, wold be termed as *Anti-Cementic* . !!!
I agree. The majority of us are being betrayed. We voted to leave.
Who will put it back together? It won't be people like O'Brien.
@@Rubin_Schmidt Well, maybe slightly Anti-Semitic, depends on what you mean by *International BOLSHEVIKS*, but I guess most people would view those type of statements as a bit unhinged, hysterical and baseless. I definitely see it that way.
@@LEO-xo9cz Yes, nobody is disputing that, but the real question is voted to leave how? Even the leavers still can't decide. Never mind the remainers or the fence sitters. There are clearly people who voted leave, but don't want a no deal. Should they be ignored too? It's a sticky situation for everyone.
The most articulate and nicest leaver that I’ve ever listened to, yet people will still believe whatever Farage, Tim Martin and Jacob Rees Mogg say.
Politics in Britain is broken.
Politics in the world is broken*
That's because those wankers are being funded by foreign billionaires like Rupert Murdoch .
@@outlawJosieFox and who funds the remain vote ?? sorros and the big tech companies ???
Ex-Leaver, no? He gives the impression anyway that he now thinks we should remain.
If this was planned then its a great political move, hes now jump started to a position favoured by both leave and remain.
I follow O’Brien so I don’t know how this one slipped under my radar. I can only repeat what others have said here: this guy comes out of the interview with his self-respect and integrity intact. It’s not easy being honest about serious mistakes but here he is openly admitting he was wrong. We live in a democracy of sorts so its ok to change your mind. He’s smart, this one.
England likes to call the shots, they don’t give a toss about the Celtic Nations.
The Normans like to call the shots.
What a brave, honest young man. To be commended, respected and applauded. Information should define our opinions, rather than be manipulated to support our predefined opinions.
Explain yourself?
@@ThePaulaon1, hello. What would you like me to explain to you, assuming I'm able to help of course.
@@ISOaGoGo Yes please Nathan.
@@ThePaulaon1 what exactly do you need explaining ?
A young man exactly, not the same level of my research nor life exprience.
I still want no deal.
Huge respect to Oliver for coming forward with this.
Leavers. Study this interview. This is a truly traditional British approach to things: pragmatic, humble, intelligent, fair, honest, decent. The next time you find yourself deep in groupthink screaming "just leave"... "get out" without caring for the consequences and using every imaginable untruth to "win" the argument, just think of this young man. He has done the decent and honourable thing. What has happened to this country, that we should come to this?
If only more Brexiters would come out and admit their mistakes...
I’ve noticed more and more of those who voted leave have become more morose. My father who was a a staunch brexiter appears to be far from happy with how this transition period has gone, when I queried it with him his response was “it’s happened now, let’s move on”. I think the reality of the lie they’ve been caught up in is hitting home now, however their is reluctance to admit to the mistake they’ve made.
Sadly for us all it’s only going to get worse over the next year.
What mistakes exactly?
@@thebritishbookworm2649 That they voted without fully understanding the implications of what they were voting for. It’s why we have fisherman moaning, farmers moaning etc etc etc
I don't know. He appears to be nicer, more polite and less insulting but he still fell for the very same really reallly stupid arguments.
thephidias lots of people did !
Most people do. That's why we keep electing the same mongs every five years.
But has the self-awareness and openness of thought to develop his understanding and change his mind.
It confirms my belief that honest thoughtful people with integrity don’t aspire to enter the absolute mess of politics.
He said it right. Interlectual honesty. Brexit would not have happened if honesty had been how Brexit had been evaluated by those selling the idea.
"We can all change our minds". Yeah, the funny thing about that is that some time in 2016 changing your mind became pretty F irrelevant mate.
One of the most insightful interviews on Brexit I've seen, thanks.
This man will have a brilliant future because he’s honest, brave and reflective. He’s dead right that most people in the Leave side could not care less about Northern Ireland. Throughout history this British blind spot has always been a problem. The Great Famine was a classic example of British ideological blindness to Irish realities.
I inclined to think he will NOT have a bright future in politics, based on those uncommon attributes. How unfortunate.
Superb. Thank you so much for humility and candor, also learning and educating your way into working in the EU on behalf of this country. Please.
I love Oliver, really hope he does well in his career. He is open to changing his mind.
A very impressive young man. I wish him all the best.
Oliver presents facts (especially about NI) with an honest love for his country and his sincerity is undeniable. He has been on both sides of the fence and is presenting his findings/views etc through experience and information gathered. What a lovely young man.
donna and it was his country that is forcing Scotland and NI out of Europe.
Ironically with English MPs referring NI left in the EU as an economic colony.
@@fearnpol4938 My heart truly goes out to the Scottish people. And I'm betting not one single person who voted to leave the EU gave NI a second thought 😔
donna We can safely say that in both referenda Scotland and EU, that voters were lied to on a massive scale.
Voters in England were subjected to the constant negative press Scotland had been hit with for over 2 yrs prior to that referendum.
That level of onslaught from a compliant media yields the results those in control of the media desire.
And NI was never once given a moments thought as they just do not matter.
Well except when you wish to train troops.
@@fearnpol4938 absolutely heartbreaking. 😔
@@fearnpol4938 agreed m8
How nice to hear a really sincere intelligent person on brexit who can admit he changed his mind but as a big promoter originally. How many others are out there ?
And how many have gone the other way
@@lesliehall7683 yeh, what do the polls say ? The people who think 'oh, better to be 'out' than hang around like this', either don't understand better than the brexiters or ... can't find another reason.
get you a man that looks at you the way James looks at Oliver
Elio? 😍
This speaks volumes - if only many people had this level of humility ..
Fascinating. He confirms, from the Leave 'side', everything that Remain have been saying about the reasons those that voted Leave did so - lack of research, gullibility, a willingness to write off genuine issues as 'Project Fear' and a lack of proper understanding of the EU and the advantages it provides for members. Very courageous of him, and a testament to his intellectual honesty, that he is now willing to speak up about his own culpability.
Brexit has certainly took its toll on O'Briens hair.
LMAO
Hairexit
He don't look that bad for a bitter and twisted fool.lol
And his beard and jumper, a still photo of him looking at the camera makes me think of bagpuss!
@Jan Schlossar What?
1:00 to start off with. leavers thought, that the EU would be begging them to stay and give them a tradedeal to die for, just to keep the UK in reach, with the rebate in mind. that was never gonna happen. but that was what they believed at the time.
Very interesting interview. Hats off to this guy for being so frank.
Get that guy some hairspray. Never seen somebody touch their hair so much. And yes I am bald and jealous.
😂 Your comment gave me a laugh, but to be honest, I was thinking the same thing about the excessive hair raking. I think he was just extremely nervous on national radio and speaking to O’Brien, but I found it really distracting. Hopefully, he will get more exposure like this and become more comfortable in the future.
@@EchoJ yes, a nervous tick
The powers at be in the media world definitely has to take responsibility for this appalling state of affairs.
Mark Franks decision makers who dictate those organisations should I agree
Not the public? Not British people who never bothered considering the Border issue? It’s Their fault, not us journalists.
@@vercoda9997 Hasnt Murdock been tearing into Europe since the 80's? How have the daily mail been doing regarding scandoulous and exaggerated headlines?
When honest journalists and the news media become biased propagandists it is their fault. Its also the fault of the respectable journalists for not reporting the bullshit their colleagues are doing. Its very much akin to asking a good policeman 'How many bad policemen have you arrested?' and if the answer is none he is a bad policeman as well.
Dont blame the people for getting things wrong when the people who are paid to honestly inform and advise them, being journalists and politicians, lie and fabricate for thier own potlitical and financial gains.
Remember the people are the victims in all of this not those who have demonstrably failed to hold up their end of the social bargin
The problem is Brexit goes against the NWO.
@@LEO-xo9cz The whole idea that the British establishment wont still be playing their games of monopoly after brexit is extremely foolish. Large corporations will still have the ear of the government long before you either way this turns out.
Brexiteers think that they have given one in the eye to the establishment but in truth all they have done is start a game of musical chairs
I always thought financial services would be the most vexing issue. Turns out that was one area where mutual self-interest overwhelmingly carried the day.
This is one of the best interviews I've ever seen.
Isnt our duty, as good citizens, research the claims. He said it himself, he was ignorant to facts. Outsourcing blame?
I'm an American. I look forward with hope that I will hear such an admittance/apology from Trump supporters.
For me the tragedy is that so many people have spent 45(ish) years thinking it was us and the e.u. when we were ALWAYS a PART OF the e.u.
It was NEVER us and them. It was only ever us.
@@CmdrTobs sorry but 'reality' proves you wrong. It was always US
And when we have a government that has given birth to the entire concept of food banks while fighting for tax cuts for the rich I find it heart-breaking that you can use the word 'corrupt' without shame.
@@CmdrTobs "If you can't see why an opponent is doing something you wouldn't consider, assume they understand things you don't." because that couldn't POSSIBLY work both ways could it?
Meaningless garbage.
@@CmdrTobs yes but we would much rather welcome them than your lot.
@@CmdrTobs how sad that is exactly what leave will do.
@@CmdrTobs how? Every industry has been hit from car manufacturering to banking. Take banking as an example:
Here's a roundup of the financial exodus so far:
US bank giants Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan, Morgan Stanley, and Citigroup have moved 250 billion euros ($283 billion) of balance-sheet assets to Frankfurt because of Brexit.
Bank of America is spending $400 million to move staff and operations in anticipation of Brexit, and is trying to persuade London staff to move to Paris.
Barclays last week won permission to shift assets worth £166 billion ($216 billion) to its Irish division. Barclays is set to become Ireland's biggest bank.
France's BNP Paribas, Credit Agricole, and Societe Generale have opted to transfer 500 staff out of London to Paris.
UBS has chosen German financial center Frankfurt for its new EU headquarters.
Swiss peer Credit Suisse is moving 250 jobs to Germany, Madrid, and Luxembourg among other EU 27 countries as well as $200 million from its market division to Germany. And in December Credit Suisse told its wealthiest clients to hurry and move their money out of the UK before Brexit.
Germany's Deutsche Bank is also considering shifting large volumes of assets to Frankfurt as part of its Brexit plan.
HSBC, Europe's biggest bank, has shifted ownership of many of its European subsidiaries from its London-based entity to its French unit.
Australia's largest bank by assets, Commonwealth Bank of Australia, has set in motion plans to base around 50 staff in Amsterdam, and has applied for a banking licence in the country.
Other Australian lenders Macquarie, Westpac, and ANZ are also in talks to move operations to Dublin and continental Europe.
Europe's biggest repo trading venue, called BrokerTec, is being moved to Amsterdam from London, meaning a $240 billion a day repo business is leaving the UK.
More than 100 UK-based asset managers and funds have applied to the Irish central bank for authorization in Ireland.
I think it was Plato in 'The Republic' who suggested that those best suited to political office are those who do not seek political office. People like Oliver Norgrove! ;-)
What a really nice bloke
The first point. About the German car industry. The first thought I had was that whatever percentage of exports they may lose, they could make up for by marketing and reduced pricing in less saturated markets such as Romania and Hungary.
Also, nobody who’s buying a Merc, BMW or Porsche can’t afford the price hike from a tariff.
For intelligent people to be taken in by the notion that Germany and the EU would make policy and negotiate on the advice of car manufacturers only proved that they hadn’t dedicated much of their intellect to rational thinking on the subject.
Also protectionism is a dirty word until you’re the one being protected. Then it’s a great idea.
Also, I could’ve sold the NI issue as frightening. “Do you want bins on your high street blowing up?” , “Do you want to see footage of bodies of innocent people under sheets, shot on their way to work? On an almost daily basis?”
OpenComments JFGariepy A lot of the price difference is local taxation. A slight price cut in Eastern Europe may not make it viable to export them back to Western Europe. The base price for a car is cheaper in the U.K. than Ireland, but Irish taxes mean there’s no point importing a new car because Irish tax and VRT means you save nothing. Taxes in Denmark are very high on new cars as well.
I’m not talking about cut price, just knock a grand or so off to gain the few percentage points the reduction in exports to the U.K. would cause.
I suppose my main point was the EU would never jeopardise the integrity of the Single Market on the instruction/pleading/wishes of Mercedes or BMW.
OpenComments JFGariepy No. There is a single market. But nations have the right to raise taxes as they see fit. IE Sovereignty. This fact has no bearing on whether there is or is not a single market.
Paying a tax levied on something imported that would’ve been taxed the same way had you bought it at home doesn’t change this.
@OpenComments JFGariepy It would only not be frictionless trade if the same tax was not applied to domestic goods of the same nature.
the EU is showing an extraordinary commitment to it's own territorial integrity. so you wanted to leave to protect yours but don't expect the EU to do the same? are Brexiters really that thick? just like whten they signed the agreement , backed away from it and then were completely surprised that there were repercussions for it
Oliver doesn’t want to be a journalist but he wants more honesty in politics. Perhaps Oliver should become a journalist and help James hold some high profile feet to the fire. It would be a fitting penance and a reasonably well paid one at that
One of the best interviews of the whole debate.
Oh well, hats off to this fella for admitting his failure to recognise he was one of the many who was duped during Brexit. Unfortunately it still leaves us facing a depressing future out of a major trade block, and in the hands of utter villains like the current Tory gang.
So most of the 17.4 million Leave voters were "duped" into voting that way? So what about all the remain voters that were "duped" into voting that way due to people like George Osborne spouting out figures that they had probably calculated with Diane Abbott. Just wait until we actually leave and have been out for a few years, I can guarantee you we'll be fine and it will prove all the scaremongering to be false. Just like how they all said there would be serious economic impacts if we didn't join the euro (and there wasn't) and just like they said simply voting to leave would cause the loss of half a million jobs and an economic crash (and it didn't.) Maybe all us dumb, uneducated eurosceptics aren't the gullible ones afterall.
@@jasonvoorhees4713 did you not listen to the man? he was working inside the Leave Campaign office. One of the faithful. At least he had the guts to admit that he was part of the 'project fear' scam. You can 'guarantee ' absolutely nothing Jason. In fact most of your statement above was not said by the remain side but touted out by others. I will predict that the UK will be no more than little england, and perhaps Wales in 5 years time. Anyway the argument has been superceded, the torys have won the election which means that Johnson's deal will have us paying exactly the same amount that we do now, but without any of the benefits of belonging to one of the worlds biggest trade blocs. still, never mind, fingers crossed and we''ll all be alright eh?
Yes the remain side did make ridiculous claims, including the ones I said. George Osborne especially. And the general election has proved you wrong again, or were 45 per cent of the electorate tricked/dumb? And I'm not even gonna bother addressing the other BS you said, although I partly agree that Bojo's deal isn't perfect.
@@jasonvoorhees4713 But surely Bojo is in a much stronger position now and will negotiate a better deal. Let's hope so.
i wasnt duped. :D. I voted for Brexit too.
Never met anyone in mainland Britain who has any affinity to Northern Ireland
How can you be considered "inteligent" and think the eu would not try to protect its own market?
some brits still think they are an empire.
@@aredub1847 They do. Its just now it consists of Scotland, Wales, a small corner of Ireland and an international network of tax havens. Us Scots are leaving soon and I hope the welsh, and Irish get out as well.
@@martinvalentine9228 No, they have a union. And a bunch of tax evasion islands.
Intelligence isn't being right. Intelligence is the speed at which you recognise when you're wrong
@@matthewgodding777 lol... smh. Intelligence is not that at all. Dumb people can still recognise that they are wrong... granted, dunning-kruger makes this difficult for some.
What a fascinating person. I would willingly listen to him more. His knowledge and reasoned opinion is fantastic.
His knowledge is bad, that's why he campaigned for leave.
@@dramatish but his growth in knowledge is amazing. if the trend continues he might be getting in high demands.
Just a shame his knowledge wasn't quite so fantastic while he was encouraging people vote to leave the EU and dismiss the warnings of wiser heads as "project fear".
@@menakles pobodies nerfect Chris but being able to admit your faults is important. That's exactly what he's done.
Fastinating? My arse....
I feel so sad that no matter who talks intelligently the direction is already set.The course is already determined.He was right when he said the media is partly to blame,always allowing the extreme people a platform
Fantastic candour from Oliver
I admire this guy !
Granted that Norgrove got wise to the lying. I want to know why he thinks, those people were doing it? What was to gain?
Ant Biggs - insider trading for one... vulture capitalists for another...
@@grendelum I think so. I guess too much to ask to hear that from him!
While the focus is on the NI border issue it was never going to be the only problem. If that was solved tomorrow hard Brexiteers would just move onto the next thing they don't like about any agreement. I knew very early on that the delays were pretty pointless because they were always going to insist on going over the cliff head first.
Every brexiteer i argued with was ignorant and i mean totally ignorant.
wow someone admitting, in light of new information & hindsight, they were on the wrong side & how they got here... rare to these parts
I found this interview so enlightening I’m truly grateful to James doing this .. gives hope we can turn this around by exposing the media Rupert murdoch & the truth of deception & lies being told .. this young man needs to be on Question time on the bbc we need to give him more airtime i for one want to hear what he has to say .. it’s so important to keep talking so we can fix this division in our nation
Oliver should get his own radio show. He's got character an opinion and is knowledgeable
What a refreshing change it is when he has someone on with integrity.
This guy needs more public platforms, very eloquent and intelligent answers