Chauncey Billups' SAVAGE Take On '04 Pistons vs Warriors Debate!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- Chauncey Billups came on to Sheed and Tyler to talk about his current role in the NBA as the Trail Blazers head coach. He also weighs in on Draymond Green vs Rasheed Wallace beef over who would win between the 2004 Pistons and 2015/2017 Warriors.
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Bonzi always hating on the Pistons lol he still mad they traded his ass😂
Ben Wallace would have stopped all of Draymond's antics.
Dray would be ejected every game within 5 minutes because of actual physicality.
Golden state esposws him as a horrific ft shooter. He wouldn’t be useful. He’s be pulled out of the paint on defense and a liability on offense.
If Ben wasn't like his big brother he would push Dre's soul out just like Ron's.
💯
@@brianschwarer6948 what you fail to realize is the Pistons could adapt to any situation my guy. And you act like Draymond was A knock down shooter 🤣. Them boyz would've been toast my guy
Rasheed is so underrated, no one on that team can guard him
No one on that team can guard Durant or curry or klay
@@Infinitefuture6and curry would get eaten up by Chauncey, big time. Prince stopped Kobe, I'm sure he'd do alright against KD. Play ain't doing squat offensively after having to chase rip through a million screens every game. Rasheed is the x factor because he would eat draymond up, big time
@@joshlewis575Chauncey ain’t doing shit with Steph. Tayshaun would get 30 on his head. Too small for KD. Klay would win the matchup vs Rip. Sheed would win the Draymond matchup but it wouldn’t be enough. Ben Wallace is the X Factor here
@@omare6452that's why he said he wouldn't have fun guarding steph coach would've put rip on him and Chauncey would guard klay Rasheed can guard kd and he can defend guards like he said they can switch and before you comment watch they're games
@@kaygriffin984 I watched them play live bruh. Chauncey is giving up 6 inches of height to Klay. & KD would give Rasheed 40 easily. I sat lower level at games in the early 2000s. Not floor seats but great seats. They couldn’t beat 2017 Warriors in a series but wouldn’t get swept
04 pistons would’ve been an even bigger dynasty if they wouldn’t have messed up with that number two draft pick
Facts
They weren't a dynasty!!! They won 1 ring!!! Stop it buddy!!! LeBron ended them boys reign 😂😂😂
They would have never gotten Sheed if they did that
@@machobandzsavage281They were there they went to 2 Finals and a lot of conference finals
Melo wouldn’t be who we know him as back then, so 👎🏾
These guys beat Lakers with Kobe and Shaq... Never forget that.
And lost the spurs .. what's your point ?
@brianerisca6822 rules changed, and team changed, and sheed left Horry wide open.
And Gary Payton and Karl Malone
😂 The old Lakers team that tried to build a super team. Remember kobe and Shaq started it
@@brianerisca6822spurs were great. Spurs would of waxed them warriors to. Soft era today
Plus They forgot about Prince
Thank you!
Thank you for this comment, dude could guard 1-3 back then so 1-4 or 1-5 on some teams or line ups today.
@@Red-ul9ukand scored 9 points a game
For good reason
@@prestonstrong7040 Back on a team that used to constantly keep people under 85 points constantly. Multiple under 75 points games. People also forget his play style translates better to today than some others because of how mobile and inversely was on defense as well as offense. They just shot less.
I think Bonzi just be saying stuff to troll Sheed
lol 100%
Every group got that one ass hole, aka that one Skip Bayless, aka that one Rashad Mccants
consider the source..... what was Wells' career "highlight"...?
Big Shot Chauncey Finals MVP!!!!!
Does everyone forget they had Okur off the bench?
And 6th man of the year Corless Williamson. And two of the best on ball defenders in Mike James/Lindsey Hunter. And a steady Elden Campbell who post and shoot that mid range. Great bench.
That pistons team was deep af but warriors had an amazing bench too
@@Travdustneither can put up with them screens
Yeah people forget that Okur started for that team half of the year before the Rasheed Wallace trade.
Okur was a beast he was a all star with utah when he left Detroit
This podcast should be just as big as Gil’s Arena
Hell naw it’s boring af
far superior
@@Atribecalledsuccessbut you here watching this boring shit pal..
@@Kelthagreat97 I stopped half way ma’am
People like foolishness
I gotta say I just love this podcast... as a lifetime fan of the nba early ninties to present I can honestly say there's nothing better than hearing stories from actual ex nba guys.. it's so much more authentic than the commentary from newscasters... much love to you guys and what you're doing with this
What is Chauncey talking about letting Sheed shoot 10+ threes a game. The man was a career 32% shooter from deep. You'd be handing the Warriors the game. 🤣
Wells bringing up him beating billups when Billups wasnt even starting had me rolling
Chauncey know damn well ain’t no coach giving him the green light for no 15 3pt attempts 😂😂😂
Dude thinks he’s curry
The capping is nasty in this clip
You guys must not know Chauncey 🤣🤣🤣. He was was clutch..steph is not and has never been. Pistons would definitely beat that Warriors team
@@mareq323 Steph not clutch? Man stop it. COUNTLESS games where he’s made big shots. Chauncey slow ass wouldn’t be able to keep up wit Steph wtf😂😂😂 and u must not no Chauncey cuz when in the fucc was he ever a major threat from deep🤦🏽♂️
He’s talking TODAY’S NBA he absolutely would’ve had the green light.
It’s amazing I lived to see both of these teams play at their prime. And being from Michigan I’m biased af, but I’m tryna tell yall them 04 boys was a different breed.
Warriors Steph and Klay plus with Durant 7 FT raining shots from anywhere, Great defense by Dray, 6’6 Iggy high IQ , 6’7 PG Livingston Hitting Middies, 6’11 270 IBS Physical Zaza with 7FT Athletic Mcgee. Dubs in 5
Dont forget Livingston off the bench
@@JoeScott22 I know I said “Livingston hitting those middies”
Not only Shaun Livingston Leandro Barbosa don't forget Andrew Bogut and David West
@@David-qp4jq Definitely the early Dubs teams had Size
@@JoeScott22 I said Livingston hitting Middies
Tayshawn Prince would've been able to put some effective defensive pressure on KD. Prince was a defensive cyborg with those long arms, the quickness, and the height.
😂😂😂😂😂
Facts!! Ppl sleep on Tayshaun Prince. He started the chase down block shot back in the 2000's..he shut down prime tmac in the playoffs! His length definitely would of bothered Kevin Durant
I mean Tayshaun played against KD. KD averaged 26 ppg
@@Steve_R418right!
KD is 6’11…stop it
Its crazy for players from 2004 to say they have better skillset than players in 2024. No one on that Pistons team is stopping KD, mans dropping 40pts easyyy, and i watched Pistons beat Lakers in 2004. 2017-2019 warriors is a different type of animal!
Yeah saying their more skilled was a wild statement and just proves these guys are extremely biased and their opinion shouldn’t be taken as fact
Smh it’s sickening. They only won one damn ring talking like this smh
2004 Detroit Pistons would have a difficult time going up against back 2 back champions the original Detroit Pistons the Bad Boys
facts as well, the bad boys were deeper than even the 04 pistons
Nope! 04 pistons is far better than the bad boy pistons. It's a game between real defensive players against slow bully kids. 04 pistons anytime!
@@paulvicentevcurimao5596 naw zeke takes it personal
bro any team after like 2000 would have a difficult time going up against any team from the 90s or before. Teams played D back then, and they actually could score. any team nowadays would be waxed by teams back then. Pistons, spurs, and pacers in the mid 2000s were only teams that resembled old school
@@patbateman6157Well said.
Shout out to Tyler but , why is it the sheer and Tyler show? It should be sheed and bonzi WITH Tyler
unfortunately once the NCAA season picks up we won't have Bonzi on as much since he's on the Georgia Tech staff
@@SheedandTyler he working wit Mighty Mouse?????
At least Chauncey in being reasonable. The 2017 Warriors just have too many weapons. It doesn't matter how great your defense is.
The 2018 Warriors had the same team but the Rockets took them to 7 games with CP3 leading and very good defense even though their main player (Harden) played like hot garbage. Once CP3 got hurt, it was over and they couldn't buy just 1 3pt-er in game 7. Also, I think the Spurs were beating the 2017 Warriors by 20+ in the 1st game until Kawhi got hurt. They were not un-beatable.
Sunday with kd didn't do sht lmaooo
@@jtremaine23 That Rockets team would have beaten the Pistons too
@@jtremaine23 James Harden
@@Steve_R418Not with Harden leading and the team shooting 0-27 from 3 lol
If it’s played in the old rules. The warriors can get away with even more harder and more moving screens and get more open 3s but people never talk about that
I loved this convo !
04 Pistons would bring it any era
Bonzi is an elite level troll😂😂😂
Here's the deal, when you play defense the way they played defense, your legs start to give out. So all them shots start to be just that much, and it's a different game. Those low scoring games were a joy to watch.
You Brothers have some of the greatest ball content. thankh you for all yall did and do!!!
2015 and 2022 can be a debate but 2016-2019 Warriors will destroy 04 Pistons. It doesn't matter what rules.
You must be 20.
@@NeighborTom been watchin nba since 1995
@@NeighborTomBot
@@MrSilus2000 butt!
The only time warriors really looked beatable were against tough defense like 18 rockets before cp3 got hurt, and 2016 Cavaliers. This pistons team was the toughest defensive team I've ever seen. It would be a great series and Billups would have to be big against curry on offense. Warriors also wouldn't be able to abuse the death lineup because all 5 pistons could guard the perimeter.
That Detroit team that won win 04’ was legendary don’t get me wrong, but if they were so great why didn’t they win multiple titles? We’re talking about the Warriors with KD vs that pistons team. Warriors are arguably considered the greatest team of all time. So if those Pistons players say they could best that warriors team doesn’t that make them the greatest team of all time? Not even close. You can’t compare two teams when one team hasn’t even won multiple titles. As far as IQ? Steph Dray KD Dwest and Andre, Sdot? Yeah I’ll take the warriors.
Very good point
Big Ben left after 05. In the finals against the Spurs they had one inbounds play away from a Chip and the format was 2-3-2 which is a huge advantage for SA. If they extended Ben they could have won another.
Everyone talking ish about the warriors until them 3s start raining down
Facts😂
can't rain down threes when you're getting locked up by real defense.
@nocturne87 oh, please. Indiana did and the warriors have 3 of the best shooters on 1 team. Rip wasnt a great defender. Billups can't guard curry. Prince can't do anything with kd. 😆
How many more dpoy steph gotta light up before you guys stop diminishing him 😆
So basically C. B just said if we can't foul them we probably couldn't beat them. After he said that all I hear is pride. 🤷🏾♂️
The 04 pistons lost to many role players after the 04 season.
facts, plus Larry Brown was gone after 05, and they changed rules again in 05 to stop this brand of basketball further.
Facts @@smokescreenOG
This aint triangle, this is GSW motion offense with the 3 of the best shooters to touch a basketball. 😂 Yall tripping.
You’re a kid. You don’t know real basketball
@@allenparedes6132 "get off my lawn!"
He's telling the truth, Curry, Thompson, Green, Livingston, Basbosa, Bogut, Barnes, Igy is too much for Pistons. I love Pistons but they will not, there's a reason why Curry's Warriors has more title.
3 of the best shooter ? Kd not no top 3 shooter all time u just talking 🤡
@NoMask23 I said "3 of the best shooters" , not "the 3 best shooters" reading, comprehend. 🤡
I remember when I was 8years old, and my 2nd grade teacher would come in and write on the board, each of the pistons name who did the best every game that year in the finals…. Then I remember watching the parade😭😭🫶. It’s crazy cus I was born in Nashville but my mom side of the family way from Detroit and that’s where we lived that year. Pistons needa come back to the light
sheed "we shut you down"
Yall smoking if you think that Pistons team is beating the 17 Warriors. Not only do they have a superior offense, but they were also an elite defense. Steph is cooking every single person they put to guard him, Klay is outshooting Rip, KD is destroying Prince, and the bench is taking over. What yall scored in a game, GS is scoring by halftime. Yall gas that one chip up like the 08 Boston Celtics team. If they were so dominant, yall should have won more.
& Sheed keep saying they was small
If I'm not mistaken Shaun Livingston
Iggy
Javale & David West were all on that team
Steph prime Klay
KD
Detroit getting smacked on
@@ChuckaVsTheWorld They had more taller players than the Pistons did.
Steph and Chauncy are the same height
Klay is taller than Rip
KD is taller than Prince
Sheed is taller than Dray
Zaza/McGhee are taller than Ben
Iggy is 6'6 and Livingston is 6'7. The Pistons are getting dog walked.
@@remnant8898 badly lmfao
You sound crazy Detroit defense was the best all time they not shooting on them like you think 😂
@@jaybrick8973 u smoking that same bullshit sheed on...
If they was so elite as u claim y they only got that 1 title? Greatest all time u must b talmbout the bad boys pistons lmfao... Gsw in 5 foh
As a fan that saw that Piston team - THAT was an extremely balanced and talented team !
With front line of Sheed , Ben Wallace and Taeshaun Prince - with Chauncey and Rip Hamilton at guards.... that's a tough match up for anybody.
The KD Warriors was the greatest team in NBA history. It was a cheat code with no answer.
The pistons saying they scored so few points bc it's how the league was isnt accurate. They were 18th in the league in offense. They only had one guy who shot 50% or better, corliss. The warriors as a team shot 50%. There's no planet, solar system, universe, multiverse, alternate reality in which the pistons come close to winning.
Unless they're playing with the 04 rules. Then in this very universe they kill em. Draymond would go into full on meltdown with big Ben getting physical with him. I can see the constant crying on every possession now
@joshlewis575 they also played when the rules changed the following year and shot about the same low percentage as a team. The 04 rules doesn't stop the blowout that's going to occur. It takes the game from being 110-80 to 104 to 74. The pistons couldn't score lol
@@edwardcoward1062yea the more I thought about it even the 15 warriors I got them winning in 6 maybe 5. The reason curry struggled in 16 is because of kyrie. You can’t guard kyrie and go get 30 on the other end that’s too hard. Billups and Hamilton aren’t volume scorers or shooters so curry won’t have to play defense like that. And I don’t anticipate Detroit posting up Billups 10 to 20 times a game tryna get curry in foul trouble. Stuck with. Also putting prince on him won’t because curry can just guard him offense and not guard him.
Nice talk. The real question who was a better defensive team, them or the '19 Raptors
Pistons had Larry Brown too. That matters
Larry Brown was a-GREAT-coach too,LOVED that guy.
Warriors got Kerr df
@mercisaint2506 lol Kerr is so overrated.
@@davidporter671
Lol how??? Actually give a good reason besides what you have seen in the internet
@@mercisaint2506Because Kerr has a loaded team. Larry Brown took the Sixers and Pistons with guys nobody paid attention to besides Iverson.
What nobody talks about is that while the older teams couldn't have been as physical now, the stepback woulda been travelling 7 days a week back then. Today's players woulda been crying like babies in the 80's and 90's.
You do understand players adapt plus these teams today are fast. Old heads would be mad because they can't foul the entire time.
@@TheTaekwon3 If you noticed in these past playoffs, more defense was played and allowed so teams were hitting around 90 points sometimes (which is rare in this era). I hadn't seen so many under 100 point scores in a while. I kept telling people, players don't look as good when you let the other team be more physical.
A step back move is not a travel just like a euro step isn’t a travel 😂 older player just wasn’t creative , iverson did one crossover and everybody lost their mjnds 😂
@@curtiszyrthe globetrotters have been doing kyries "handles" for 70 years now. How creative these new guys are😂😂😂😂😂
@@curtiszyr I get what you're saying but you're a bit off. A stepback is not a travel NOW. You have to know basketball to understand, so let me help you. You are given two steps after you pick up your dribble because the intent of the rule was to compensate for forward motion, not to just move two steps in any direction. The league adapted the new, looser definition because it is more exciting. The same thing applies in a foul going from a foul to a flagrant to a flagrant 1/2/3, etc. Back when it started players were playing bleeding and it was just a foul...sometimes.
Best to learn the history of a subject before you speak on it, no disrespect intended.
The 04 pistons been living off that bs title for years smh they didn't beat the lakers the lakers beat themselves they had no team chemistry shaq n kobe was tryin to kill each other etc hints why they never won shit else
A title isn’t bs.
@derellbillings3960 and lost to a team that wasn't half as good as that lakers team
@killaseason82 those spurs teams with Parker ginobili and Timmy aren't just some random scrub team. Isn't that the argument as to why LeBron got waxed by the same core ? And they had that chip too if sheed here doesn't leave Robert fucking Horry wide open.
@@joshlewis575 shaq n kobe n the spurs team won multiple. How many did that fluke pistons team win? I'll wait
Teams don't "beat themselves" in a 4-1 series. You were a bs foul for a 3 pt play on shaq from getting swept. And most of those games were blowouts. Foh.
Dude was on Brons nuts whole conversation lol
Exactly!
"Y'all couldn't score"
Neither could our opponents
Durant enters the chat
I went to the finals games in Auburn. Hills, in 04 that team was different if you've seen in person, how they shut the lakers down that shit was crazy the 02 To 07 Pistons are what made me fall in love with basketball I was always a sports fan, but of the detroit lions, detroit red wings But growing up in detroit during that time period was crazy
What no one talks about with that 04 team, was just how deep they were. Deepest bench in the league with a bench unit that could match up with most squads starting 5
I'm just glad that Rasheed spoke his peace on David Stern. What 'Sheed said confirmed what my eyes saw. That Pistons squad should've gone back2back, but the fix was in. Saddle 'Sheed with 3 or 4 fouls before the half is how it was arranged in the 4 losses. There are those of us who LIVE hoops who saw it quite clearly. The fix was in when - in the Finals intro - they brought up the Bad Boys label and further SMEARED the team with the Malice in the Palace incident. When 'Sheed stated that Stern had the personal phone numbers of the refs, that sealed it for me. The NBA, first and foremost, is a business, and they planned to market the league to the world. That intro emphasized just HOW international that Spirs team really was, too. So, yeah, the fix was in.
Sad ending on this one talking about Big Ben leaving for Chicago. Let's take a moment of silence for the dynasty they would have had if only they drafted Mello instead of Darko.
Nah. If they would have drafted melo, the defense would have went south. Plus they never would of traded for sheed who a better player
People they beat Kobe and Shaq in their prime convincingly
No one else on that team was good. They were old.
Spurs beat Kobe and Shaq twice
And got waxed by the spurs
@@Evroyalfound yo ass again like I said that spurs team would beat warriors as well ur a fucking child u don’t know ball
Colorado + Shaq vs Kobe beef + Karl Malone’s injury = Detroit Championship
Mane the warriors are cooking the pistons even without kd
Are they though? Curry, klay, iggy, dray, and bogut vs Chauncey, rip, prince, sheed and Ben. I'm taking that 04 pistons line up to win that. Especially if they're playing by the 04 defensive rules
KD their only hope
Who the hell is that in between Sheed and Bonzi?
Big Shot made the biggest point. They were different without Big Ben. They no longer were the best 5 alive. With Ben Wallace and the addition of Carmelo that group's story is bigger in history.
These guys Trippen 😂😂
That 04 Pistons team had the Best starting 5 in NBA History.
best defensive team in NBA history
Nobody will fking go toe to toe with 04 Ben Wallace nuff said.
They talking like they won more then ONE chip 😂😂😂
Bonzi looks like Cederic
2017 warriors never losing… let’s be real please
I can see this happening ❤
Great info
they should introduce recent old championship teams vs new championship teams in the all star game:
like kd warriors, steph, klay, kd, dray, a center from the warriors versing the celtics or
nuggets vs the twolves
the old lakers with caruso, kcp, kuzma, bron, ad, dwight, was mcgee there? that will be kinda cool
like a 2 quarter game
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Some of these old school black players look at Steph and Clay and immediately think "soft....i can't lose to someone soft impossible".
This is why I’m upset Sheed isn’t in 2K
And Tayshaun
Everybody thinks they could've beat the Warriors.
Sheed would average a healthy 40 on Draymond with today's rules
Absolutely not both would be watching from the locker room. Two guys know most for technical fouls and ejections. Not to mention sheed scored over 39 one time in his whole career that being a whole 42. 😂 he could barely get 35. No way in hell they beat kd's warriors even Chauncey knows that.
Pistons team was so big and tough. They had Okur, Corliss, Ben, Sheed, Prince. I think they even had Campbell at one point.
The 04 Pistons are athletic to switch
The Pistons won one ring and came up short everytime after that...But they talk like they were a dynasty 😂
A blown defensive rotation from winning back to back, and 6 straight eastern conference finals.
6 straight and one ring to show for it..Lesser talented teams beat the Pistons.....But yea sure they'll beat 2017 dubs😂
@@warrencook8738 the 04 pistons was the best team, they lost key role players after that year and eventually Ben Wallace left too. It's not like it was the same team, magically getting worse or just losing year after year.
I don't know how the 2017 warriors can beat about beating anyone, they ruined the game of basketball, the NBA, and then teaming up was the softest shit I've ever seen.
Dummy, they lost to eventual champions - the 2005 Spurs and the 2006 Heat. There's no shame in being 2nd place against the toughest competition. Plus they went to ECF consecutive years while losing key players year after year, most especially Ben.
No they don’t, they talk about thier championship every once in a while . But the Celtics team of Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett be talking like they a dynasty 😂
I more inclined to listening to podcasts like this because yall are talking basketball not the bs I see on tv
You’ll never see a older dude ,, say that these younger dudes are better😂😂 . Even though they are
I said that to Sheed. I said that that Detroit team will not let Steph run around like that. Different era
Nothings says you’re over the hill like saying “you’d wax someone”
Please get Rip and Prince and Ben on the show
1 ring 😂
take it EAASY!! Black Mamba & Shaq was busy fighting with each other vs fighting against Pistons!!!
The common thing is every team comparison say's they would win😂😂😂
That Detroit team was underrated.. culmination of composed vets & sounds coaching.. everybody on that team played like they had something to prove & you know they knew basketball bc they were claiming teams in the most offensive era of basketball (when fair defense was still a part of the game). Sure to that, the can match up with most championship teams in modern era & give em some swat if they don't win. Tashaun Prince got KD, i ain't saying lock but he gone turn it down some..
Nobody outside of Detroit believes this lol
You guys talk like you’re that good.
You won 1 championship.
I cheers for you guys to get that rematch with spurs in 07 when you’re the #1 seed.
That’s still hurts to this day
That 04’ Pistons team kept a Prime Kobe Bryant from scoring above average. They kept Kobe at 22 PPG.
Cause a prime Kobe didn't have a team.
@@BenGettinit204 I didn't hear Kobe make any excuses when he lost in 04'. You laker fans are something else. You can lose but great players can't be averaging 22PPG in any series.
@@peat381low8he didn’t complain because he’s not Lebron still doesn’t mean him not having a team isn’t facts
@@dloftan5539 Kobe averaged 35ppg for an entire season. You guys will do anything to avoid giving credit to a defensive Pistons team holding Kobe to 22PPG. That takes a special type of talent.
@@peat381low8 I'm GSW S30 ALL DAY
That Detroit team had enough shooters to play in this era CB, Rip, Sheed, and they had Okur and Delfino off the bench they could play the 4 or 5 out game today
Steph changed basketball culture forever in terms of making it okay to shoot 3's at a high volume. I would LOVE to see a world where Chauncey had that kind of freedom to jack it up. Obviously no one will ever know "who would win" because those games can never be played.
So I don't know who would win, but I am confident Draymond Green would have a really hard time with Rasheed Wallace. Rasheed would get into another gear whenever he got mad and you better believe Draymond would make him mad.
Sheed is where the heavy mismatch is.
They forgetting the best the lakers who had shaq kobe gary oeyton and mallone. Just sayung
Thing is 4/5 of those pistons starters were good/really good at hittin 3's. Increase the volume a hot rip, chauncey, or sheed gonna do their thing!
That Portland squad tho!!! 🤯
rasheed would have been the key to make it a competitive series
Casey why? :/
They would have got the asses blown off the court by the warriors.
Bonzi!!!! Chirp chirp brother!!!
I think they forget how demoralizing it was to play the warriors. I remember watching entire teams giving up because they were down 15-20 by the second half, knowing the game was gonna end with them down 30.
The 15-16 warriors dominated the league that year. Coaches gave up, players gave up, the warriors took hearts that year. The pistons wouldn't be any different. Not enough shooting
Rip on Steph is hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂
Bron would've did that to Ben Wallace too💯
Hell nah
The 04 Pistons wouldn't have made it out of the ECF if so many Pacers weren't playing hurt. They definitely wouldn't have made it past Indiana the next year if not for that brawl. Pacers blew their chance at back-to-back rings.
These old heads need to quit living the good ole days. Sheed saying they were more talented is crazy 😂.
Young lebron alone destroyed them😂
Talking about being one of the greatest teams of all time in the NBA? You weren't even the greatest team of all time in Detroit. 🤣
Sound good. I guess we’ll never know.