Ninjas, Samurai and Chinese monks get a pass. You've seen martial arts films, you know the rules🤣 No but jokes aside there's a (subjective) limit as to how much non-martial arts is cool in a franchise like tekken. A little bit of gonzo adds spice. A robot here, a trained beast there but that doesn't mean there isn't a threshold, know what I mean?
@ChadTheThirdUK i do know what you mean, but ppl like you are basically choosing what to cry about it's so contradictory.. you have Yoshimitsu flying around and teleporting spitting mist. Jack is flying around.. doing Jack shit Dr.Bosconovich blowing himself up, and god know what A MINI DINOSAUR WITH THE HITBOX OF A PEA! An alien chimera with a flamethrower and keep in mind... this is all tekken 3 im referring to..
@@kirbywarpstar360 I understand what you're saying brother and I appreciate the thoughtful way you've presented your point, but consider the following: I go to a restaurant, I'm handed a dish that is delicious but it has paprika in it. I don't like Paprika, but the dish is good, the flavour is so great that I enjoy it all anyway. Then the Chief offers to add more Paprika (my least favourite element) to the dish. Am I truly not allowed to say "No, please don't?" - Does the existence of preexisting paprika in the dish mean I can NEVER criticise the addition of more? What if the dish then becomes 50% Paprika? Can I no longer complain because "Well, there was Paprika in the first batch and you ate it up then!" My point is, I don't think my objection is contradictory or irrational or unreasonable. I don't think the existence of ridiculous elements in franchises history automatically means that anyone who rejects NEW ridiculous elements is automatically wrong or making an invalid argument. You can have too much of a good/bad thing. But, that being said - If you're enjoying the character then I'm happy for you. Honestly. I just wish we BOTH got a character we could love and be excited about, that's all and I'm confident there are many guests characters who could have done that.
@ChadTheThirdUK you have every right to complain in not saying you can't. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What I'm saying is when people say "this isn't tekken anymore" is what upsets me. Because we've had odd and different characters from the jump. Soo to use your Example: If you enjoyed your dish WITH the paprika in it(with you still not liking it) and you don't have a choice or say in the matter of them adding it. It is STILL the exact dish the added paprika doesn't make it not the same dish anymore just because they added more
He isn't Nina, Jin, Yoshi, drag, feng levels of strong but I'd say he is a solid A tier, right around the general strength we should be hoping most characters can be at
1. It's too early to say how strong he is. He hasn't been out for 24 hours and not everyone even has him. 2. Strong or not, he's just legitimately dumb. It seems, from this early on, that there just isn't much interaction you can do with him. It's like you just have to hold everything he does.
@@raidennc Most of his stuff is very punishable, interruptible and/or slow. He's definitely strong, but we haven't labbed counterplay or taken him to the highest level
Hes minus on alot but 444 is plus 6 on block, his df1 is really good, his jab is good, 114 or 224 is good on hit 22222 string is safe on block. He has both leroys high-mid and low parry with b4 and 3+4. He has zafinas parry with b1+2 He has a fly mode from dj He has a flash punch punish with 1,2 He has 5 heat engagers and potentially the best whiff punishment in the game. He has a snake edge with db4 A CH steel pedal with b4 3 CH launchers with ss1+2, df3, ff2 He's basically Lars, Leroy, Zafina,DJ and a little bit of Bryan all mixed together. But he lacks customization options.
By biggest issue with him so far isnt even whether or not he is strong (too early to say) but just the sheer fact that he has so much that you just have to "hold". It limits the amount of interactions and counterplay in a way that seems uninteresting. So far anyway. Time will tell but thats my current assessment.
Oh god, this comment section is awful. Chad, dont you know you CANNOT express any negative about Tekken other wise you are everything wrong with the community. Rookie mistake
I mean its engagement... engagement with basement dwelling losers who feel perosnally threatened by someone critiquing very concrete examples of stuff from the game, sure, but engagement nontheless. I imagine you would get even more skibidi rizz hate on your vids due to your mains and opinions, so thick skin and a healthy "fuck off you dumb bitch" attitude towards such engagements is a must I would say :D
Clive is strong but he IS beatable I've discovered...and the MAIN key to beat him is to play defense and counter hit him. His flashy sword attacks have gaps...small ones but...he's not completely broken you CAN win and you don't need Alisa or Yoshimitsu to actually beat him. King and Paul can both beat Clive it isn't easy but its...doable I have proof. I won't be able to purchase him for several days but I feel like Clive is something bigger than just a strong character so I'm getting him for the other implications.
I did not enjoy the guest characters in T7, they were overused, and i just didn't felt like i was playing Tekken anymore but a whole different game. I never complained about rage or heath, didn't mind the store or battlepass, but this is getting me worried.
Strong vibe that you came into this video looking to shit on clive. Im not gonna play him nor is he interesting to me but its very obvious what you arw trying to do.
I don't wanna hear any nerf complaints from the Clive defenders as I continue to enjoy my library except for Tekken. We called it during the trailer and they called us crazy. But I hope we will be crazy once season 2 drops. I'll wait as long as is required for the game to be decent enough "for me." I hope those who play in this term enjoy. And I mean that sincerely.
@zzzzz333-z5x Why would I? I love fighting games with a passion. Tekken was my most favorite among all. I want the game to be good so me and the boys can run our locals again. Other games we play sure are good but Tekken was what brought us together. Besides that, I want people to enjoy the game as they are but I'd love to come back to T8 without having to guess so much. Our worst performer who barely plays/practice can beat us occassionally which was never the case and from that inflated ego causes issues. With better less oppressive systems for us more defensive players in future and I'll be right back. I have no hate but currently the game is not for me. While at the same time I don't want people to be hypocrites where they defend when it's good or benefits them, then make negative reports when it goes bad. Simply that.
@hoassyoass2480 I lab everyday but some things can't be helped even when you lab. Eventually they will take some rounds or a few matches off of you. Especially when they are random. Especially since the worst performer is a Shaheen and Law player. I know how to punish but when he's random, you enter sensory/memory overload and get beat. Even if it's a clutch win... As the boys say, a win is a win.
@@zzzzz333-z5x it's bait if I'm lying or exaggerating for clicks. I truly think this character is obscene. But if you disagree, all I can say is "You will see..."
When your making a video like this before the character is even test drivable in real combat it's obvious rage bait. Every character has things you have to deal with. Try making this video AFTER people adjust to the match up.
@cherryboywriter6299 let's make a deal. If in a weeks time, people have settled, found the counter play and dropped the guy into mid tier I will make a video apologizing for my overreaction and apologize to your PERSONALLY. But, if this character proves to be as busted as the maths clearly indicates, then you come back here and apologize to me. Deal?
Love the content but this is an overreaction. In this video you’re not testing sidesteps properly either. You’re suppose to record Clive jab and then do the string. Most of his stuff except f+1+2 is beat by SSR/SWR. Most of PHX stance stuff is beat by SWL.
He’s trash overall, at least outside of heat…insanely linear, neutral isn’t that good, and 50/50 potential kinda just isn’t there. All he really has is F1+2 and powercrush
@@ChadTheThirdUK you need someone to make your points for you because you can’t do it??? What’s the point of this video then, seems like you just want a bunch of meat riders telling you how right you are
@@Adieu_tk im just keeping it real, how do you make opinionated content then run to someone else to make your point for you when someone challenges your opinion? If you don’t like what I said then go read something else
I guess yoshimitsu flying on his sword is martial arts
Ninjas, Samurai and Chinese monks get a pass. You've seen martial arts films, you know the rules🤣
No but jokes aside there's a (subjective) limit as to how much non-martial arts is cool in a franchise like tekken. A little bit of gonzo adds spice. A robot here, a trained beast there but that doesn't mean there isn't a threshold, know what I mean?
@ChadTheThirdUK i do know what you mean, but ppl like you are basically choosing what to cry about it's so contradictory.. you have Yoshimitsu flying around and teleporting spitting mist. Jack is flying around.. doing Jack shit Dr.Bosconovich blowing himself up, and god know what A MINI DINOSAUR WITH THE HITBOX OF A PEA! An alien chimera with a flamethrower and keep in mind... this is all tekken 3 im referring to..
@@kirbywarpstar360
I understand what you're saying brother and I appreciate the thoughtful way you've presented your point, but consider the following:
I go to a restaurant, I'm handed a dish that is delicious but it has paprika in it.
I don't like Paprika, but the dish is good, the flavour is so great that I enjoy it all anyway.
Then the Chief offers to add more Paprika (my least favourite element) to the dish.
Am I truly not allowed to say "No, please don't?" - Does the existence of preexisting paprika in the dish mean I can NEVER criticise the addition of more?
What if the dish then becomes 50% Paprika? Can I no longer complain because "Well, there was Paprika in the first batch and you ate it up then!"
My point is, I don't think my objection is contradictory or irrational or unreasonable.
I don't think the existence of ridiculous elements in franchises history automatically means that anyone who rejects NEW ridiculous elements is automatically wrong or making an invalid argument. You can have too much of a good/bad thing.
But, that being said - If you're enjoying the character then I'm happy for you. Honestly. I just wish we BOTH got a character we could love and be excited about, that's all and I'm confident there are many guests characters who could have done that.
@@kirbywarpstar360 you're nitpicking examples from tekken 3 and tekken tag and he's the one choosing what to cry about? lmao
@ChadTheThirdUK you have every right to complain in not saying you can't. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What I'm saying is when people say "this isn't tekken anymore" is what upsets me. Because we've had odd and different characters from the jump.
Soo to use your Example:
If you enjoyed your dish WITH the paprika in it(with you still not liking it) and you don't have a choice or say in the matter of them adding it. It is STILL the exact dish the added paprika doesn't make it not the same dish anymore just because they added more
he is not broken at all he is just solid
Ive seen people say this character is weak.
Im so TIRED of this community swear to god.
Lol, not only my man over here plays with SS, he also manages to leave comments with special style turned on, smh.
He isn't Nina, Jin, Yoshi, drag, feng levels of strong but I'd say he is a solid A tier, right around the general strength we should be hoping most characters can be at
Fully agree. People saying that he's broken just seem like they don't play the game at all
low A tier in my opinion he is a bit slow too
Bandai namco did a great job with balancing him out
@@dear_vergilpeople who can’t tell why he’s top tier are most likely not even tekken king
1. It's too early to say how strong he is. He hasn't been out for 24 hours and not everyone even has him.
2. Strong or not, he's just legitimately dumb. It seems, from this early on, that there just isn't much interaction you can do with him. It's like you just have to hold everything he does.
@@raidennc Most of his stuff is very punishable, interruptible and/or slow. He's definitely strong, but we haven't labbed counterplay or taken him to the highest level
Hes minus on alot but 444 is plus 6 on block, his df1 is really good, his jab is good, 114 or 224 is good on hit
22222 string is safe on block.
He has both leroys high-mid and low parry with b4 and 3+4.
He has zafinas parry with b1+2
He has a fly mode from dj
He has a flash punch punish with 1,2
He has 5 heat engagers and potentially the best whiff punishment in the game.
He has a snake edge with db4
A CH steel pedal with b4
3 CH launchers with ss1+2, df3, ff2
He's basically Lars, Leroy, Zafina,DJ and a little bit of Bryan all mixed together.
But he lacks customization options.
His df1 is actually pretty bad 14f and zero tracking to either side
He has Jun 1+2 Heat engager on absolute steroids.
I love Clive so much that I decided to play VF5 REVO Beta and immediately pre-orded it.
By biggest issue with him so far isnt even whether or not he is strong (too early to say) but just the sheer fact that he has so much that you just have to "hold". It limits the amount of interactions and counterplay in a way that seems uninteresting. So far anyway. Time will tell but thats my current assessment.
Wait until he discoveres that universal i5-6 high/mid parry (b3) guarantees a launch with df2 and is not counterhitable on whiff.
so we'll be playing clive mirrors until season 2 patch drops, nice!!!
Ranked is about to be real fun!!!
I can't tell wether sarcasm or not...
Only reason it’s fun is because pluggers lose their points and rank for plugging now
Oh god, this comment section is awful. Chad, dont you know you CANNOT express any negative about Tekken other wise you are everything wrong with the community. Rookie mistake
I mean its engagement... engagement with basement dwelling losers who feel perosnally threatened by someone critiquing very concrete examples of stuff from the game, sure, but engagement nontheless.
I imagine you would get even more skibidi rizz hate on your vids due to your mains and opinions, so thick skin and a healthy "fuck off you dumb bitch" attitude towards such engagements is a must I would say :D
With his f1+2 move you can ssl then block. That makes you block the first hit, but then the 2nd hit whiffs leaving him at -32.
soon this game about to be Cliven 8
Clive is strong but he IS beatable I've discovered...and the MAIN key to beat him is to play defense and counter hit him.
His flashy sword attacks have gaps...small ones but...he's not completely broken you CAN win and you don't need Alisa or Yoshimitsu to actually beat him.
King and Paul can both beat Clive it isn't easy but its...doable I have proof. I won't be able to purchase him for several days but I feel like Clive is something bigger than just a strong character so I'm getting him for the other implications.
Yeah clive will be s tier, we will see him at s tier before season 2 drops, suuuuuure, it's not like we have chars that are monsters at pressure
DLC characters will ALWAYS be around other top tier characters. Overpowered or good characters will sell, F tier characters dont.
Is 1,1 Jailling or duck punishable?
Also,for 3,3, yoshi almost literally has the same move.... Have you heard of yoshi?
I did not enjoy the guest characters in T7, they were overused, and i just didn't felt like i was playing Tekken anymore but a whole different game.
I never complained about rage or heath, didn't mind the store or battlepass, but this is getting me worried.
Strong vibe that you came into this video looking to shit on clive.
Im not gonna play him nor is he interesting to me but its very obvious what you arw trying to do.
Pretty sure 1+2 heat dash isn't a launcher, it looks like the knockdown with free followup animation. This character is wack.
I don't wanna hear any nerf complaints from the Clive defenders as I continue to enjoy my library except for Tekken. We called it during the trailer and they called us crazy. But I hope we will be crazy once season 2 drops. I'll wait as long as is required for the game to be decent enough "for me." I hope those who play in this term enjoy. And I mean that sincerely.
Ok.
you didn't call shit 😂. you just want shit to be bad so you feel validated. you aren't qualified.
@zzzzz333-z5x Why would I? I love fighting games with a passion. Tekken was my most favorite among all. I want the game to be good so me and the boys can run our locals again. Other games we play sure are good but Tekken was what brought us together. Besides that, I want people to enjoy the game as they are but I'd love to come back to T8 without having to guess so much. Our worst performer who barely plays/practice can beat us occassionally which was never the case and from that inflated ego causes issues. With better less oppressive systems for us more defensive players in future and I'll be right back. I have no hate but currently the game is not for me. While at the same time I don't want people to be hypocrites where they defend when it's good or benefits them, then make negative reports when it goes bad. Simply that.
@@Kenkyou_Nogata sounds like you need to practice more if someone who barely plays can beat you.
@hoassyoass2480 I lab everyday but some things can't be helped even when you lab. Eventually they will take some rounds or a few matches off of you. Especially when they are random. Especially since the worst performer is a Shaheen and Law player. I know how to punish but when he's random, you enter sensory/memory overload and get beat. Even if it's a clutch win... As the boys say, a win is a win.
so you just doing ragebait now?
@@zzzzz333-z5x it's bait if I'm lying or exaggerating for clicks. I truly think this character is obscene. But if you disagree, all I can say is "You will see..."
Where's the bait? Long range, unstepable, mids. Literally neutral for dummies.
He's not wrong.
When your making a video like this before the character is even test drivable in real combat it's obvious rage bait.
Every character has things you have to deal with. Try making this video AFTER people adjust to the match up.
@cherryboywriter6299 let's make a deal.
If in a weeks time, people have settled, found the counter play and dropped the guy into mid tier I will make a video apologizing for my overreaction and apologize to your PERSONALLY.
But, if this character proves to be as busted as the maths clearly indicates, then you come back here and apologize to me. Deal?
Clide
Love the content but this is an overreaction. In this video you’re not testing sidesteps properly either. You’re suppose to record Clive jab and then do the string. Most of his stuff except f+1+2 is beat by SSR/SWR. Most of PHX stance stuff is beat by SWL.
He’s trash overall, at least outside of heat…insanely linear, neutral isn’t that good, and 50/50 potential kinda just isn’t there. All he really has is F1+2 and powercrush
Instead of arguing with you, I'll just let Ulsan do it.
He's better than me. Go tell him he's wrong:
x.com/tekkenUlsan/status/1868819473572282722
All you do is complain about every character that ain't yours dude. You been doing this since the game dropped.
@@ChadTheThirdUK you need someone to make your points for you because you can’t do it??? What’s the point of this video then, seems like you just want a bunch of meat riders telling you how right you are
@Fleez311 there's something wrong with you. How do you think this is an appropriate response 😭?
@@Adieu_tk im just keeping it real, how do you make opinionated content then run to someone else to make your point for you when someone challenges your opinion? If you don’t like what I said then go read something else
Pay to win in the thumbnail??? Nah.. Chad this is not it :/
Was he wrong?
Idk this character has to take risk and if the opponent reads correctly hes getting launched
@heybuzzed But his mids are decent enough to not have to risk doing highs that much.
@@heybuzzed bro his mids are homing safe and fullscreen
And jack rocket boosting is also.. like stfu