The best part of both films is that the protagonist is actually really smart, he can spot traps and thinks on his feet effectively. It makes the cat-and-mouse relationship between Arkin and the Collector so thrilling. Also while the second movie is sillier, it has one of the best endings of any horror movie I've seen this past decade. Truly knows how to shut the door on unnecessary sequels.
While I do like the idea of Arkin turning the tables on the Collector, I HATE giving him a backstory and a cute, sunny house and hearing him sound like someone's divorced dad. No. Just NO. He works better as an unknown.
Bruh, I just left a comment about how similar they are. I wasn't sure if I was just high or if Ryan really DOES look just like the actor, but you've given me the answer I needed! :D
I always loved how Artkin wears the same outfit as the Collector. It sort of adds to the creepiness of the Collector, like he is an imitation of a human, not an actual human. The collector's mask is literally a warped nightmare version of Artkins mask. And Artkin having his skills as a home invader justify and allow him to be the perfect foil to the Collector.
@firstname mclast All burglars are home invaders, not all home invaders are burglars. Burglar is just a more specific way to describe what arkin does, but hlme invader is just as good a description. He literally invaded a home
I’m unsure if you saw, but on the DVD it has an alternate ending where when The Arkon realizes the daughter is in the house, instead turning around for her he just flips off the house and runs away- always made me laugh
The only reason I like the The Collection is because of Arkin's character. It's why i'll watch the next sequel, just to see if he lives. To me the franchise is an example of how if you create a complex and likable character you can keep a series going as long as you bring them back. It's why if they kill him or turn him into the Collector in the next one i'll just immediately stop watching. Arkin just deserves a win at this point.
You don’t have to worry because Arkin is once again the main character in the 3rd movie. I want to see how the Collector escapes Arkin’s capture. I have good feelings about the new movie and so I can’t wait for it to drop.
I really agree, I'm in it for Arkin at this point, I love the dynamic between him and the Collector so much, the only other time i've seen this kind of thing is in Halloween with Laurie and Michale
Right, without Arkin this movie would never have been so special. I love the complexity behind the "bad guy" with a heart of gold. The whole redemption arc makes him compelling and the fact that he's just been struck with a case of the "wrong place, wrong times"s makes him sympathetic even if what got him there in the first place was arguably for the wrong reasons - again - arguably, because we also understand why he's there. There's actually layers upon layers here (yes much like ogres) That makes for a surprisingly well told story within this genre of "torture porn" which of course isn't exactly known for subtlety or interesting characters. The Collector himself I think is a good villain particularly in his truly unrelenting nature. He actually comes off as very mean spirited and intimidating BUT, he also likes spiders..? So there's something there... The mask is also iconic if we want to get superficial about it
I just realised The Collector and The Collection have the same relationship as Alien and Aliens. The first movie is a competent but scared protagonist trying to escape a monster, but the sequel is the same character more experienced and confident, contracted to be brought back and lead a team of soldiers to take the fight to the enemy.
Calm down Kevin McCallister, you don't have to go that far. I guess the first two Home Alone films really messed you up. No wonder you felt the franchise. So the first 2 Home Alone films were just an origin story....damn. "This is it, no turning back" - Kevin McCallister. Underrated film, wasn't a fan of the ending but hey at least the sequel fixed that cause I like the character of Arkin. And yeah the sequel isnt the greatest but worth a watch.
Apparently John Hughes wanted to do a Home Alone horror film with an older Kevin who'd gone insane and started killing people with traps after his tortures of Harry and Marv gave him a taste for blood. His family would have probably been the first to go because they were assholes.
@@RyanHollinger there’s also a fan “theory” that Kevin goes on to become John Kramer from Saw. It continues the theory that mr McAllister is a mafia bigwig and Kevin is taken away a year or two after home alone 2 and put in foster/witness protection (so name change) but all the trauma screwed him up.
The Collector is such an underrated movie. Arkin’s character is phenomenal. The child actor does a great job. The villain is so dark and evil but then out of nowhere you see his gentleness with spiders leaving the viewer with a lot of questions. Everything just draws the viewers in. I’m excited there’s a third sequel, though I don’t know what I’d think if Arkin doesn’t star in it some way.
While the Third movie “The Collected” was canceled, you noticed the same thing I did. In the first movie, he was a Hispanic exterminator who felt no empathy for humans but sympathized with the bugs he was paid to kill. The Collection abandoned this interesting character motive.
The cinematography in The Collector especially the way they utilize fake walls on sets to pan over rooms and stuff and build tension is fucking brilliant and the movie is highly underrated. The Collection is... schlock... but for its time escalating the ridiculousness was how everyone was competing with Saw, for better or worse... I still really love the end of The Collection and I really enjoy watching a horror movie series that has a persistent protagonist that we can actually care about.
I found the first Collector to be very effective. While I do think you need to suspend your believability I was on the edge of my seat the first time I watched that film. I will never forget the gut punch feeling of Arkin finally escaping only to see the daughter of the household is alive. We have seen how difficult it is to maneuver through this house, and it is SO effective knowing we have to go back through this nightmare with Arkin’s character. It reminds me of the best survival horror games, just great world building and tension.
Fun fact about the opening scene of “The Collection” one of the VFX artists who worked on the film tweeted James A. Janisse a little while ago, and gave him the exact number of body-rigs they used for the opening massacre, so that he would be able to do the movie without dealing with the frame-by-frame number crunching. He’ll probably get to it eventually with that information to make his life easier, but I just thought it was cool to see people in the horror community helping each other out like that!
This is one of those films I saw in the cinema with a great audience so will always remember it fondly. Everyone screaming and cheering at the right moments. It was awesome. Love this movie.
Honestly, in that scene where Arkin digs the fish hook out of his eye, if Ryan had placed his own censor face over it I wouldn't have been able to tell the difference.
Even these movies are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, I can't help but be reminded of the Predator. Both movies take typical action heroes and subject them to the horror genre.
Like Bruce Willis in Die Hard vs a young Hannibal Lector The Collector is my favorite horror after 41 years. I give this movie my official championship
That's the best kind. The number one reason why I dislike horror movies is because the characters are almost always STUPID. Like unbelievably stupid and it takes me out of it. These idiots deserve to die... but the handful of horror movies that show intelligent people who make good decisions and still get outmatched by the killer are spectacular. My favourite of these is the original Terminator.
I found this movie years ago while looking for something to watch and I thought I’d give it a chance and I remember being super invested and loving it a lot. I recently rewatched it and I still think it’s a good movie, but I was also like ‘why was I so blown away by this when I first watched it?’. Guess I’ve seen too many horror movies in the meantime I’ve become like ‘eh I’ve seen better’.
This. I saw it in theaters and it holds that special place in my memory but in the moment when I rewatch it, it doesn't line up with my nostalgia nearly as much
When I see the collector in the dark, my brain doesn’t connect that his eyes are featureless discs, I just see there reflection off the black and my brain is like “oh, he has big, shiny OwO eyes”
@@dragonkyng Chelsea Rebecca from Dead Meat would totally rock Black Widow. She doesn't pop up in the Kill Counts, but she's always there for the podcasts and stuff. I also vote GoodBadFlicks for Thor.
I liked the sequel because I liked how it showed Arkin as especially clever. It was obviously an Aliens to the original Alien. But that’s fun on its own
@@celestedivinity2178 yep. A survivor of a harrowing experience barely makes it through based on their own cunning. Then in the sequel is immediately thrown back in to a situation with their own attacker flanked by a bunch of professionals sent to hunt on a rescue mission. Survivor pulls some through with help to find out more about the stalker after mostly casualties and finds a purpose to keep fighting. Is that describing first two Alien or Collector films
Can I just say I never ever noticed Ryan's "However" until the comments pointed it out, I can't be the only one, maybe it's worth noting I am from Belfast so that might be a factor
"Ambiguity is king; especially when it comes to killers or creatures that make you question them in any sort of existential way." This needs to be printed at the top of every horror writer's first page on their screenplay, novel, manuscript, etc. This is what made 'It Follows' so effective for me. They never explain what "it" is, where it came from, why it's passed through sex, why it takes different forms, etc. It just was. This is also why Michael Myers stopped being scary in the sequels (save for the 2018 sequel) with all that Cult of Thorn nonsense.
I sometimes wonder if the Terminator would have been better if they never showed the future scenes. If it remained a little more ambiguous about whether the Terminator really was a robot until the end.
The only good thing about the sequel is that Arkin lived and got the collector in the end. I don't want another movie I want him to have his bloody revenge and for the curtain to close on his finally being the one in control.
I remember watching this years ago. I really enjoyed it then and still do now. I think because of how Arkin is such a relatable character, like what would you do in that crazy scenario try to help the family or gtfo. And how he has a brain unlike most main characters in horror movies. How he controls his breathing, or waits for the killer to make his move then play around him. It's smaller details but it makes Arkin more unique and believable. Great review of the Collector and Collection Ryan.
"Errementari: The Blacksmith and the Devil" would be one I'd like to see you do, Ryan. Saw it on Netflix a few years ago and thought the premise was actually very interesting.
I watched it expecting absolutely nothing from it, and found myself loving it. I clicked on it only because I wanted to watch a film in the Basque language, and thought it would be some Z-Grade ghost story. What I got was more like something by Del Toro, or the Jim Henson Creature Workshop.
I love the first collector so much in the way I love the first strangers movie. The utter “because you were home” aspect. The absolute perversion of what should be your safest/most comfortable place. Doesn’t matter if you’re a good or bad person, what you’ve been through, etc. All that matters is You're there and they wanna play. Fantastic video like always dude ❤️
"Overexplaining the monster/horror" is often the downfall of many horror stories. I think the worst example I remember is The Silence from Doctor Who, once they explain what they are, they lose all of their horror effect.
Idk I actually don’t mind that much that they did that. In this case if anything, that’s just making The Collector a much more interesting character imo.
Legit these two films kinda feel like a sped up version of how the Saw franchise went. Starts off with a well written villain and subtle horror topped with gore that only accentuates scenes and isn't the focus, then in the later sequel(s) the villain makes less sense despite having more information, and gore is the focus over plot etc., shame that :p
You know what...since I've watched them so often...it was the Collector who created the rave... which is why he was able to set it up. Please don't let me continue to nerd out on this bc...😳
@@TheAudraReins Mustve taken him months if not longer. Scouting location, thinking up traps, where to put them, predicting where victims would try to flee to. The crushing trap was genius
I'm just trying to imagine the people he contracted to build all that stuff, setting up a combine harvester above a nightclub dancefloor and thinking "Yeah, this seems fine."
I actually felt sorry for the family in the original and wanted Arkin to save them which I think he tried to do not only because their daughter reminded her of his and because he felt guilty about planning to rob them even though he was only doing that so the loan shark wouldn't hurt or kill his wife and daughter. But the team he leads into The Collector's hideout in The Collection were generic and I didn't care when any of them died.
So I accidentally saw The Collection in theaters first (my friends and I had no clue it was a sequel) and were so confused by it starting off with Arken getting out and the insane bloodbath. Because of that I kind of loved how ridiculous and campy it was, I also adored Arken and find him incredibly compelling. Then when I went back to The Collector I loved it even more and the ending, knowing he’d end up in the box, chilled me. I totally agree The Collector is much better, but, probably because I watched it incorrectly, I really enjoy both! They’re just good times. Arken is such a great lead we don’t get likable horror leads nowadays so I just loved them.
17:30 The Collector probably rented or bought the nightclub for the massacre since he has the cash for it. Not to mention that he would have enough time to set it up because he would have an unlimited time until he opened the club up.
@@Marcopolo-hg6zb false name, cash payment, maybe he killed the original owner and took the keys? Or maybe he worked/managed the crew to set everything up and would just sneak in after a days work to set up the traps? There’s explanations (if u wanna do the mental gymnastics as I have to make sense of it) but he definitely needed a lot time to plan it and considering that in the first movie how fast he set up all those traps in a huge house within several hours, it’s possible he could’ve done the traps in the club within a week. Who knows really
@@Marcopolo-hg6zb Plus it was an underground, illegal password only type party in a building that looked like an abandoned warehouse until you give the doorman a password. The police would have had a pretty difficult time finding it, assuming they were even called at the start of the massacre and didn't find out after the fact.
I always loved The Collector, such a surreal and stylish movie with a lot of self aware attitude and what might be my favorite slasher villain ever. I tapped out of The Collection shortly after the nightclub scene thinking man, they fucked up FAST, sad to see the rest of the movie isn't much better. Hopefully The Collected recaptures what made that first movie and even elements of the second so great.
The first half before the spoilers - you made the protagonist seem so compelling. Every scene he was in, his acting was compelling too. He looked like he was harrowed by regrets and experiencing some sincere conflict and discomfort at being back into his burglar mode. Really cool. Plus the collector being gormless glowy eye stare is very scary!
The Collector was one of the first horror movies I genuinely loved as a child. When I was a kid I would generally avoid horror movies, but when I saw this, I remember being obsessed with it. It was so freaking good.
I always thought the Collector was setting them up as Arken went through the house, that he missed on or two by luck and then when he went to leave they were all up.
Thank you for covering these movies! I stumbled across them a few years back and they became something of a guilty pleasure. I think the main reason I got into them was because of Arkin - his character really feels more fleshed out than we tend to get in these sorts of movies, and that's a really welcome change. I also didn't know that there was a third movie coming this year, but now that I do I'm hoping they'll make it more like the first movie rather than the second, or maybe even go for something completely different.
I saw The Collection in theatres purely because it came out on my birthday and I liked the first one. I didn't think it was that bad. More action oriented, more grindhouse-y. It was solid as far as ending a series that could've exhausted itself like Wrong Turn.
I appreciate your insight and dedication, Mr. Hollinger. The best part of The Collection is the ending. I wonder where the next movie will start from. Cheers!
Small thing, the town I grew up in Apple valley california, is where the bowling alley the MC goes to early in the movie is in. I remember watching it and me and my friend were like, wtf thats our bowling alley! lol
The only really good part of The Collection is when Arkin beats up The Collector after everything he's done and all the people he's killed throughout both films. The Collected will probably start with him being tortured by Arkin before managing to escape and start a new killing spree. And yeah the "His dad went mad after being exposed to chemicals, killed all his family except the young Collector and that drove him insane" explanation was bad.
I actually watched the collection blind in movies and absolutely adored it, it left a huge impact on me as I hadn't seen the first and found it refreshing to see overall smart characters working around horror movie traps
I thoroughly enjoy listening to your reviews and thoughts on all sorts of films. Your dives into the emotional/philosophical aspects of movies are incredibly thoughtful, and always a delight. Rock on.
I loved both of these movies, and the night club scene in the beginning of The Collection is absolutely one of my favorite scenes of all time! Great video! You always do a great job.
Ryan letting his frustration get the better of himself and shouting whenever he thinks something is dumb is something that can actually be so personal, Seriously though Ryan yelling about something being "FUCKING RIDICULOUS" is my favorite part of any video, it sparks so much joy for me 😂
i remember watching this as a late night tv rerun movie and it's actually really good (well the first one is memorable at least). i remember my mum describing the collector as a spider kinda dude. like the mask and the weird eyes and the fact he sets traps everywhere.. so i just see him as a spider man
I was expecting a totally generic slasher when I first watched these movies but found myself very surprised at how compitent the protagonist was compared to how stupid so many horror movie characters are and how much more intense that made the film. Its not scary to see people get killed because theyre idiots, Im not an idiot and wouldnt make the same choices that get most people killed in horror movies. So when I saw the hero of this movie make smart decisions that I would never have thought of and still had to go through everything he did that struck me like no other horror has.
You're definitely right about ambiguity being paramount to horror! You can make your own head-canon and share theories with other people, it lingers in your head and you think about it later.. and can always fall back on simply not answering every question! Silent Hill 1-4 did a great job with that, as did the game The Forest. I also loved the silly into and hearing about your head-canon for how the Collector sets his traps hahah
I politely disagree with Ryan Hollinger here. I see where he's coming from, the two movies are very different from one another and the sequel is pretty dumb compared to the first film, but I really like how in the sequel the Collector became almost like a Batman villain. Like a mix between the Punisher and Professor Pyg. It's just fun for me.
I remember the trailer for collector scaring tf out of me because i was like 7 or something i watched it last year and definitely want a 3rd one much more alined with the first
Wouldn't mind seeing your thoughts on terrifier. In regards to the collector, I enjoyed both films initially but when I watched the second one again it did feel a bit eh. It's not as tight or as suspenseful which maybe is part of the point. But still enjoyed it. But yeah I agree with you on the mystery around the collector and that gets blown away in the sequel.
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*Ok, so what are your thoughts on The Collector films and... what do you think about the SAW series?*
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There pretty decent imo, 1st Saw was the best tho
SAW 1 & 2 were the bomb, dropped off after 3 imo
Not that familiar with the SAW movies, so I have nothing to say.
Saw is one of my favorite movies, Saw 2 was very entertaining.
I like all of them, although the novelty sets after the third one pretty much, still one of my favs
The best part of both films is that the protagonist is actually really smart, he can spot traps and thinks on his feet effectively. It makes the cat-and-mouse relationship between Arkin and the Collector so thrilling. Also while the second movie is sillier, it has one of the best endings of any horror movie I've seen this past decade. Truly knows how to shut the door on unnecessary sequels.
Yes yes yes! Very well put
I also like the fact that the protagonist is not a good guy as he's doing something that would normally make him a villain.
There is a third one coming, since The Collector was always planned as a trilogy. It is named 'The Coll3cted'
And yet... sequel en route!
@@etwregh6676 Ah shit you're right. Oh well, I'm excited to see it.
The worst thing about giving the Collector a definitive origin, is that it ruins the theory that he's secretly a grown up Kevin from 'Home Alone'
This is a thing?
@@moodyfingers7301 yeah was a fan theory lol
If you watch the first episode of the web series DRYVRS he's actually a ptsd ridden killer wrapped in a christmas motif
But I thought Jigsaw from the saw movies was supposed to be Kevin grown up? Atleast that was a theory. So how did it switch to the Collector?
While I do like the idea of Arkin turning the tables on the Collector, I HATE giving him a backstory and a cute, sunny house and hearing him sound like someone's divorced dad. No. Just NO. He works better as an unknown.
"This first film has a very relatable protagonist"
*shows man identical to Ryan*
Bruh, I just left a comment about how similar they are. I wasn't sure if I was just high or if Ryan really DOES look just like the actor, but you've given me the answer I needed! :D
@@justinkroboth360 The best of both worlds: high AND right. Lawl.
Ryan: *invents new way of saying “however”*
Audience: “He can’t keep getting away with it!”
BUT I WILL
Is that a reference to breaking bad?
@@ArkaeaFCL3 yeah
@@NastierNate nice. ✌😁
Damn I didn't know Ryan invented Ireland
I always loved how Artkin wears the same outfit as the Collector. It sort of adds to the creepiness of the Collector, like he is an imitation of a human, not an actual human. The collector's mask is literally a warped nightmare version of Artkins mask. And Artkin having his skills as a home invader justify and allow him to be the perfect foil to the Collector.
@firstname mclast
All burglars are home invaders, not all home invaders are burglars. Burglar is just a more specific way to describe what arkin does, but hlme invader is just as good a description. He literally invaded a home
@firstname mclast Yes according to law ye daft mimsy
There is also the connection where Artkin works to avoid being caught by people and the Collector works to catch people.
So we aren’t gonna talk about how arkin looks like Ryan’s older brother?
Came looking for this comment ✊
Maybe Ryan can get a small part in the 3rd film as the estranged brother
Thank god other people are agree with me
Imagine I posted that old thoughtful velociraptor meme...
Haha, YES
I’m unsure if you saw, but on the DVD it has an alternate ending where when The Arkon realizes the daughter is in the house, instead turning around for her he just flips off the house and runs away- always made me laugh
That's fucking amazing.
Tbh I feel like as much guilt as I'd have afterwards, running away is the better option
The only reason I like the The Collection is because of Arkin's character. It's why i'll watch the next sequel, just to see if he lives. To me the franchise is an example of how if you create a complex and likable character you can keep a series going as long as you bring them back. It's why if they kill him or turn him into the Collector in the next one i'll just immediately stop watching. Arkin just deserves a win at this point.
You don’t have to worry because Arkin is once again the main character in the 3rd movie. I want to see how the Collector escapes Arkin’s capture. I have good feelings about the new movie and so I can’t wait for it to drop.
I really agree, I'm in it for Arkin at this point, I love the dynamic between him and the Collector so much, the only other time i've seen this kind of thing is in Halloween with Laurie and Michale
The longer he continues, the more ways of saying "however" he creates 😂
One day I will rule the world
@@RyanHollinger yes yes... HOWEVER!
Höwever
Howlnever?
And his power increases tenfold!
Right, without Arkin this movie would never have been so special. I love the complexity behind the "bad guy" with a heart of gold. The whole redemption arc makes him compelling and the fact that he's just been struck with a case of the "wrong place, wrong times"s makes him sympathetic even if what got him there in the first place was arguably for the wrong reasons - again - arguably, because we also understand why he's there. There's actually layers upon layers here (yes much like ogres) That makes for a surprisingly well told story within this genre of "torture porn" which of course isn't exactly known for subtlety or interesting characters.
The Collector himself I think is a good villain particularly in his truly unrelenting nature. He actually comes off as very mean spirited and intimidating BUT, he also likes spiders..? So there's something there... The mask is also iconic if we want to get superficial about it
Ryan: *says "however" instead of "hoyever"*
Me: I-Impossible!
Glad you noticed hahaha!
@@RyanHollinger we need our Hoyevers!
@@RyanHollinger where are the hoyevers Ryan we really need em
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I just realised The Collector and The Collection have the same relationship as Alien and Aliens.
The first movie is a competent but scared protagonist trying to escape a monster, but the sequel is the same character more experienced and confident, contracted to be brought back and lead a team of soldiers to take the fight to the enemy.
Exactly 👍🏻 bro 😎
Calm down Kevin McCallister, you don't have to go that far. I guess the first two Home Alone films really messed you up. No wonder you felt the franchise. So the first 2 Home Alone films were just an origin story....damn.
"This is it, no turning back" - Kevin McCallister.
Underrated film, wasn't a fan of the ending but hey at least the sequel fixed that cause I like the character of Arkin. And yeah the sequel isnt the greatest but worth a watch.
You know... not once did that come to mind, but I’m now treating this as canon
@@RyanHollinger That should have been the twist.
Apparently John Hughes wanted to do a Home Alone horror film with an older Kevin who'd gone insane and started killing people with traps after his tortures of Harry and Marv gave him a taste for blood. His family would have probably been the first to go because they were assholes.
@@RyanHollinger there’s also a fan “theory” that Kevin goes on to become John Kramer from Saw. It continues the theory that mr McAllister is a mafia bigwig and Kevin is taken away a year or two after home alone 2 and put in foster/witness protection (so name change) but all the trauma screwed him up.
It would also make sense why he was an orphan
Each "However" is an angelic choir 😇
I'm surprised no one's made a remix of it yet. 😆
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The Collector is such an underrated movie. Arkin’s character is phenomenal. The child actor does a great job. The villain is so dark and evil but then out of nowhere you see his gentleness with spiders leaving the viewer with a lot of questions. Everything just draws the viewers in.
I’m excited there’s a third sequel, though I don’t know what I’d think if Arkin doesn’t star in it some way.
While the Third movie “The Collected” was canceled, you noticed the same thing I did. In the first movie, he was a Hispanic exterminator who felt no empathy for humans but sympathized with the bugs he was paid to kill. The Collection abandoned this interesting character motive.
The cinematography in The Collector especially the way they utilize fake walls on sets to pan over rooms and stuff and build tension is fucking brilliant and the movie is highly underrated. The Collection is... schlock... but for its time escalating the ridiculousness was how everyone was competing with Saw, for better or worse... I still really love the end of The Collection and I really enjoy watching a horror movie series that has a persistent protagonist that we can actually care about.
I found the first Collector to be very effective. While I do think you need to suspend your believability I was on the edge of my seat the first time I watched that film. I will never forget the gut punch feeling of Arkin finally escaping only to see the daughter of the household is alive. We have seen how difficult it is to maneuver through this house, and it is SO effective knowing we have to go back through this nightmare with Arkin’s character. It reminds me of the best survival horror games, just great world building and tension.
Well said
Reminds me of Grave Encounters 2 when they got out of the asylum but the ghosts Uno reverse card's their asses.
@@greggaygayakutami1402 i totally forgot about that movie one of my fav pov paranormal movies
Fun fact about the opening scene of “The Collection” one of the VFX artists who worked on the film tweeted James A. Janisse a little while ago, and gave him the exact number of body-rigs they used for the opening massacre, so that he would be able to do the movie without dealing with the frame-by-frame number crunching.
He’ll probably get to it eventually with that information to make his life easier, but I just thought it was cool to see people in the horror community helping each other out like that!
This is one of those films I saw in the cinema with a great audience so will always remember it fondly. Everyone screaming and cheering at the right moments. It was awesome. Love this movie.
Honestly, in that scene where Arkin digs the fish hook out of his eye, if Ryan had placed his own censor face over it I wouldn't have been able to tell the difference.
Ya’ll thought Kevin McAllister grew up to be Jigaw, but he’s clearly the collector.
Mind officially blown!
Arkin is one of my favorite protagonists, no matter what genre. He's like an anti-hero from an action movie placed in a horror movie setting.
Even these movies are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, I can't help but be reminded of the Predator. Both movies take typical action heroes and subject them to the horror genre.
Like Bruce Willis in Die Hard vs a young Hannibal Lector
The Collector is my favorite horror after 41 years. I give this movie my official championship
“But if you get hooked on the atmosphere...”
*Show’s main character trying to avoid a bunch of hanging hooks*
I see what you did there. Well played...
Arkin is one of my favorite horror movie protagonists. He's smart, clever and becomes a badass.
That's the best kind. The number one reason why I dislike horror movies is because the characters are almost always STUPID. Like unbelievably stupid and it takes me out of it. These idiots deserve to die... but the handful of horror movies that show intelligent people who make good decisions and still get outmatched by the killer are spectacular.
My favourite of these is the original Terminator.
I found this movie years ago while looking for something to watch and I thought I’d give it a chance and I remember being super invested and loving it a lot. I recently rewatched it and I still think it’s a good movie, but I was also like ‘why was I so blown away by this when I first watched it?’. Guess I’ve seen too many horror movies in the meantime I’ve become like ‘eh I’ve seen better’.
This. I saw it in theaters and it holds that special place in my memory but in the moment when I rewatch it, it doesn't line up with my nostalgia nearly as much
When I see the collector in the dark, my brain doesn’t connect that his eyes are featureless discs, I just see there reflection off the black and my brain is like “oh, he has big, shiny OwO eyes”
I thought he actually had anime eyes for the first like 5 minutes
I love the Dead Meat reference
When do we get the Horror Channel Cinematic Universe?
Dead Meat: Iron Man
Foundflix: Capt America
Ryan Hollinger: Hawkeye
CZWorld: Hulk
I don’t know any female horror channel hosts for black widow
@@dragonkyng either spookyastronauts or possessed by horror!
@@dragonkyng Chelsea Rebecca from Dead Meat would totally rock Black Widow. She doesn't pop up in the Kill Counts, but she's always there for the podcasts and stuff. I also vote GoodBadFlicks for Thor.
@@dragonkyng don't forget spookyrice he's brave enough to do the movies that NO ONE else will talk about
@@zero_foxpants I was going for direct hosts, but I forgot she hosts the Dead Meat podcast.
Also Cecil from GoodBadFlicks is Nick Fury.
I liked the sequel because I liked how it showed Arkin as especially clever. It was obviously an Aliens to the original Alien. But that’s fun on its own
Plus he looks like a young Liam Neeson, which is badass in its own way
Oh my gosh.... and the third film takes place in a prison......
@@celestedivinity2178 yep. A survivor of a harrowing experience barely makes it through based on their own cunning. Then in the sequel is immediately thrown back in to a situation with their own attacker flanked by a bunch of professionals sent to hunt on a rescue mission. Survivor pulls some through with help to find out more about the stalker after mostly casualties and finds a purpose to keep fighting.
Is that describing first two Alien or Collector films
Can I just say I never ever noticed Ryan's "However" until the comments pointed it out, I can't be the only one, maybe it's worth noting I am from Belfast so that might be a factor
We say it correctly, it’s just our thick accents
Yep sounds normal to me too lol
9:08 Yeah with the bug eyes and his obsession with them he's like some insectoid thing with a human form.
"Ambiguity is king; especially when it comes to killers or creatures that make you question them in any sort of existential way."
This needs to be printed at the top of every horror writer's first page on their screenplay, novel, manuscript, etc. This is what made 'It Follows' so effective for me. They never explain what "it" is, where it came from, why it's passed through sex, why it takes different forms, etc. It just was. This is also why Michael Myers stopped being scary in the sequels (save for the 2018 sequel) with all that Cult of Thorn nonsense.
I sometimes wonder if the Terminator would have been better if they never showed the future scenes. If it remained a little more ambiguous about whether the Terminator really was a robot until the end.
this is the only horror movie that left me terrified for days. i could never put a finger on why.
josh stewart is such an under rated actor. he’s great in almost everything he is in and in this one he carries it with his morals clashing
The only good thing about the sequel is that Arkin lived and got the collector in the end. I don't want another movie I want him to have his bloody revenge and for the curtain to close on his finally being the one in control.
I remember watching this years ago. I really enjoyed it then and still do now. I think because of how Arkin is such a relatable character, like what would you do in that crazy scenario try to help the family or gtfo. And how he has a brain unlike most main characters in horror movies. How he controls his breathing, or waits for the killer to make his move then play around him. It's smaller details but it makes Arkin more unique and believable. Great review of the Collector and Collection Ryan.
"...but, if you get hooked on the atmosphere..."
*Shows scene of the protagonist picking a fish hook out of his eyelid.*
I see what you did there.
"Errementari: The Blacksmith and the Devil" would be one I'd like to see you do, Ryan. Saw it on Netflix a few years ago and thought the premise was actually very interesting.
I watched it expecting absolutely nothing from it, and found myself loving it. I clicked on it only because I wanted to watch a film in the Basque language, and thought it would be some Z-Grade ghost story. What I got was more like something by Del Toro, or the Jim Henson Creature Workshop.
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You’re absolutely right, brother! Very, very surprised. And what an interesting concept.
I love the first collector so much in the way I love the first strangers movie. The utter “because you were home” aspect. The absolute perversion of what should be your safest/most comfortable place. Doesn’t matter if you’re a good or bad person, what you’ve been through, etc. All that matters is You're there and they wanna play. Fantastic video like always dude ❤️
"Overexplaining the monster/horror" is often the downfall of many horror stories. I think the worst example I remember is The Silence from Doctor Who, once they explain what they are, they lose all of their horror effect.
oh look another problem with Moffat's time running the show. wouldja lookit that
Idk I actually don’t mind that much that they did that. In this case if anything, that’s just making The Collector a much more interesting character imo.
@@HadalStreetlights Better than Chibnall
17:05 James actually said that the director said how many people died in the club on Twitter so he will count it eventually
Yay!
Possibly one of my favourite horror franchises. Its so simple yet so good, Really hoping the third film keeps that trend.
Legit these two films kinda feel like a sped up version of how the Saw franchise went. Starts off with a well written villain and subtle horror topped with gore that only accentuates scenes and isn't the focus, then in the later sequel(s) the villain makes less sense despite having more information, and gore is the focus over plot etc., shame that :p
You are seriously one of my favorite people on TH-cam and you've been on fire lately with these analysis, keep up the great work man!
The collector sequel beginning is awesome
I’m surprised that he was able to set that up
You know what...since I've watched them so often...it was the Collector who created the rave... which is why he was able to set it up. Please don't let me continue to nerd out on this bc...😳
@@TheAudraReins Mustve taken him months if not longer. Scouting location, thinking up traps, where to put them, predicting where victims would try to flee to. The crushing trap was genius
I always assumed he owned that place. Like it was pretending to be a pop up club.
I'm just trying to imagine the people he contracted to build all that stuff, setting up a combine harvester above a nightclub dancefloor and thinking "Yeah, this seems fine."
@@asskicker4000 Possibly but i think that would make it way too easy to find out who he is after the club massacre
I actually felt sorry for the family in the original and wanted Arkin to save them which I think he tried to do not only because their daughter reminded her of his and because he felt guilty about planning to rob them even though he was only doing that so the loan shark wouldn't hurt or kill his wife and daughter. But the team he leads into The Collector's hideout in The Collection were generic and I didn't care when any of them died.
I love love love these. Tbh, I usually watch both of them at least once a week. I've literally been waiting for you to cover them. 🖤🖤🖤
So I accidentally saw The Collection in theaters first (my friends and I had no clue it was a sequel) and were so confused by it starting off with Arken getting out and the insane bloodbath. Because of that I kind of loved how ridiculous and campy it was, I also adored Arken and find him incredibly compelling. Then when I went back to The Collector I loved it even more and the ending, knowing he’d end up in the box, chilled me. I totally agree The Collector is much better, but, probably because I watched it incorrectly, I really enjoy both! They’re just good times. Arken is such a great lead we don’t get likable horror leads nowadays so I just loved them.
17:30 The Collector probably rented or bought the nightclub for the massacre since he has the cash for it. Not to mention that he would have enough time to set it up because he would have an unlimited time until he opened the club up.
So how come he didn't get pinched for killing people there
@@Marcopolo-hg6zb false name, cash payment, maybe he killed the original owner and took the keys? Or maybe he worked/managed the crew to set everything up and would just sneak in after a days work to set up the traps? There’s explanations (if u wanna do the mental gymnastics as I have to make sense of it) but he definitely needed a lot time to plan it and considering that in the first movie how fast he set up all those traps in a huge house within several hours, it’s possible he could’ve done the traps in the club within a week. Who knows really
@@Marcopolo-hg6zb Plus it was an underground, illegal password only type party in a building that looked like an abandoned warehouse until you give the doorman a password. The police would have had a pretty difficult time finding it, assuming they were even called at the start of the massacre and didn't find out after the fact.
This video will make a fine addition to my COLLECTION, thanks Horror Daddy!
Josh Stewart is an amazing actor, he deserves a lot more success.
I can't watch horror movies, but I can definitely binge Ryan's analyses of them. Thanks, Ryan!
Dennis is The Collector confirmed
I was thinking the exact same thing!
you haven't thought of the smell!!
I always loved The Collector, such a surreal and stylish movie with a lot of self aware attitude and what might be my favorite slasher villain ever.
I tapped out of The Collection shortly after the nightclub scene thinking man, they fucked up FAST, sad to see the rest of the movie isn't much better.
Hopefully The Collected recaptures what made that first movie and even elements of the second so great.
The first half before the spoilers - you made the protagonist seem so compelling. Every scene he was in, his acting was compelling too. He looked like he was harrowed by regrets and experiencing some sincere conflict and discomfort at being back into his burglar mode. Really cool. Plus the collector being gormless glowy eye stare is very scary!
The comments: "He said 'however'! Hoyever! Hoyever!"
Me: "...I miss when he said 'So let's talk about it' at the beginning of each episode."
The Collector was one of the first horror movies I genuinely loved as a child. When I was a kid I would generally avoid horror movies, but when I saw this, I remember being obsessed with it. It was so freaking good.
You made Raycons sound like a halloween chocolates commerical at first 😂😂😂
I really appreciate how you manage to put out high quality content at such a fast rate.
Aah. I remember this from my Saw fanboy years. Good stuff!
These films are so underrated. Simple story, solid performances and perfect hangover film.
Still won’t hire an exterminator At my house.
After Breaking Bad, I never will
"a kill count so staggeringly high it's no surprise why James A. Janisse hasn't covered it yet"
that's why Zoran is covering it instead of him ;)
I come for the spooky. I stay for the "hoyevers".
I always thought the Collector was setting them up as Arken went through the house, that he missed on or two by luck and then when he went to leave they were all up.
YES THE COLLECTOR ! It's my favorite horror movie... Not the greatest but I love it so much.
At 16:47
Well there is a Dead Meat Kill Count on The Collection... But Ryan is still right it wasn't James that cover it, it was a guy named Zoran
Whenever someone brought up The Collector I immediately think of The Simpsons Comic Book Guy.
The sequel reminds me of movie that were made in the late 90s where everything is like a Michael Bay explosion
Ryan gave us a great "COLLECTION" of films on a weekday? On my birthday none the less! Thanks Ryan :)
James talking about Ryan in the Lake Mungo Podcast and Ryan talking about James here, the horror youtube circle is complete !
Hooked. As though you’re in a room filled with hanging fish hooks
Thank you for covering these movies! I stumbled across them a few years back and they became something of a guilty pleasure. I think the main reason I got into them was because of Arkin - his character really feels more fleshed out than we tend to get in these sorts of movies, and that's a really welcome change. I also didn't know that there was a third movie coming this year, but now that I do I'm hoping they'll make it more like the first movie rather than the second, or maybe even go for something completely different.
I saw The Collection in theatres purely because it came out on my birthday and I liked the first one. I didn't think it was that bad. More action oriented, more grindhouse-y. It was solid as far as ending a series that could've exhausted itself like Wrong Turn.
"If you get hooked on the atmosphere" he says while the clip shows a fishhook going into dude's eye.
Now THAT is good writing, Ryan. Kudos.
I'm still traumatized by what happened to the cat in the first movie.
I appreciate your insight and dedication, Mr. Hollinger.
The best part of The Collection is the ending.
I wonder where the next movie will start from.
Cheers!
An obscure, and unrecognized film is "Stephen Kings: The Night Flier" would love to see a video on it, man.
aw man im glad i saw this comment. Night Flier slaps and is a strange window into a world where vampires are very unsexy
I’m going to start spam posting this comment on all of his videos just so he makes a video about it lol.
Small thing, the town I grew up in Apple valley california, is where the bowling alley the MC goes to early in the movie is in. I remember watching it and me and my friend were like, wtf thats our bowling alley! lol
Didn't even get a notification yet, I just felt a tremor in my horror senses.
that opening though
"My name is not important. Hoyever, what is important is today's sponsor"
The only really good part of The Collection is when Arkin beats up The Collector after everything he's done and all the people he's killed throughout both films. The Collected will probably start with him being tortured by Arkin before managing to escape and start a new killing spree. And yeah the "His dad went mad after being exposed to chemicals, killed all his family except the young Collector and that drove him insane" explanation was bad.
Thank you for talking about the Collector! It's one of my favorite horror movies.
The closest I'll ever get to my "Jigsaw vs Ant-Man" screenplay seeing the light of day.
I actually watched the collection blind in movies and absolutely adored it, it left a huge impact on me as I hadn't seen the first and found it refreshing to see overall smart characters working around horror movie traps
Calling out James like that now means he HAS to do it
"If you get hooked by the atmosphere..."
*Shows Arkin gets fish hooks on his face*
Ryan changing how he says "however" is like a mission impossible movie when they take off that mask. IDK who you are anymore bro
I thoroughly enjoy listening to your reviews and thoughts on all sorts of films. Your dives into the emotional/philosophical aspects of movies are incredibly thoughtful, and always a delight. Rock on.
Now that you are streaming on twitch have you ever though about discussing horror in media outside of live film such as literature, or animated film
I loved both of these movies, and the night club scene in the beginning of The Collection is absolutely one of my favorite scenes of all time! Great video! You always do a great job.
Ok Ryan, could you stop making my day?!?!? Much appreciated 🙏
@@maurabewsmedia1688 I'm dowm for this hahaha
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Ryan letting his frustration get the better of himself and shouting whenever he thinks something is dumb is something that can actually be so personal,
Seriously though Ryan yelling about something being "FUCKING RIDICULOUS" is my favorite part of any video, it sparks so much joy for me 😂
The Collector is just Will LaMontagne trying to one-up JJ’s serial killer hunting skills smh
Finally! I was searching the comments for someone to point out the Criminal Minds connection xD Thank you!
i remember watching this as a late night tv rerun movie and it's actually really good (well the first one is memorable at least). i remember my mum describing the collector as a spider kinda dude. like the mask and the weird eyes and the fact he sets traps everywhere.. so i just see him as a spider man
I was expecting a totally generic slasher when I first watched these movies but found myself very surprised at how compitent the protagonist was compared to how stupid so many horror movie characters are and how much more intense that made the film.
Its not scary to see people get killed because theyre idiots, Im not an idiot and wouldnt make the same choices that get most people killed in horror movies. So when I saw the hero of this movie make smart decisions that I would never have thought of and still had to go through everything he did that struck me like no other horror has.
You're definitely right about ambiguity being paramount to horror! You can make your own head-canon and share theories with other people, it lingers in your head and you think about it later.. and can always fall back on simply not answering every question! Silent Hill 1-4 did a great job with that, as did the game The Forest.
I also loved the silly into and hearing about your head-canon for how the Collector sets his traps hahah
I politely disagree with Ryan Hollinger here. I see where he's coming from, the two movies are very different from one another and the sequel is pretty dumb compared to the first film, but I really like how in the sequel the Collector became almost like a Batman villain. Like a mix between the Punisher and Professor Pyg. It's just fun for me.
I remember the trailer for collector scaring tf out of me because i was like 7 or something i watched it last year and definitely want a 3rd one much more alined with the first
Wouldn't mind seeing your thoughts on terrifier.
In regards to the collector, I enjoyed both films initially but when I watched the second one again it did feel a bit eh. It's not as tight or as suspenseful which maybe is part of the point. But still enjoyed it. But yeah I agree with you on the mystery around the collector and that gets blown away in the sequel.