This CBA turned out to be a nightmare for players in the MLE tier. Don't get me wrong, happy the Suns got a player like this to further improve their roster, but no way should Tyus have been essentially jobless for as long as he was with so many good teams not looking to give him an opportunity.
This is a beyond successful offseason, from the draft to free agency. Based on our cap flexibility, this is best case scenario. From no PGs on the roster to TWO PGs, who are very capable offensive engineers Shoutout James Jones
So you're also drinking the Kook-Aid on the two "defensive minded" late round rookies who can't hit the ocean with a medicine ball? Didn't one of them go 0-For the Summer League in threes? Bricked every single one. Badly.
Matty Ish is spending like a drunk sailor but oddly for a basketball junkie big time college walk-on he has no clue how to build a functional team. His Alleged Big Three all play the same ball dominate shooting guard position - even the Slim Reaper. Dumb. We saw how that played out last season. The were the Small Unhappy Three. A tradition Big Three should be a dead-eye guard, a long-armed wing, and a center or power forward. Not three ball hog shooting guards who play little D. Suns will barely make the playoffs again. Maybe play-in?
@@DaryMaterabarely play in team? What makes you think that, they addressed every concern from last season. Which they were a 50 win team. While Beal was hurt majority of the season
I think what would be cool is if Brad came off the bench how Ray Allen did for the Miami Heat to give them a more defensive minded starting lineup and then you can run out Brad and he can STILL get 20+ without compromising the whole start of the game defensively.
Does anybody know when the Suns would obtain the Bird Rights for Tyus? How many years would that take and depending on that would there be any chance of his sticking with the Suns even if that meant signing a minimum contract again say next season if the Suns could offer him a huge contract down the line? Or is there really no chance of a situation like that happening? I’d like to see Tyus remain on the Suns past next season but if he can get a much bigger contract then he will absolutely do that… but I’m wondering if the Suns were able to offer him what he could get on the open market, just how long would that take? I could see him signing another minimum contract next season if it meant the Suns could sign him after that to a much bigger contract but I don’t know how the CBA works and if that would be an option or if it would take longer to do. If anybody know how the CBA works I’d love to know exactly how long it would take to obtain his bird rights and offer him a much bigger contract?
I’m not a Suns fan but I’m happy for the fan base. This is a home run move. That being said, Brad Beal needs to move to a 6th man role. I think the Suns next move, should be to trade Grayson Allen to BK for DFS. I never want to see KD at the 4 again. Especially at this point in his career and Nurk manning the paint.
Its actually pretty cool how they are approaching team building the reserves are like the poor mans version of the starters PG: Tyus Jones/Monte (very similar) SG: Book/Beal (very similar) Sf: KD/Bol (reach yes but Bol at his best has some KD in his game). C: Nurk/Oso Then you have Dunn/Okogie and Allen/Lee. Lots of overlap. I wonder if they do it so if you make a trade you can plug in a similar player
@@DaryMateraBeal would be more effective off the bench with the current roster. Suns would solve their problem with the bench scoring. Having Booker, Beal and KD on the floor together wasn’t too effective and made their offense predictable. Also neither Booker or Beal is a true PG so Tyus starting solves the playmaking duties and will result in less turnovers. Also starting Beal alongside Booker and Tyus makes the Suns extremely small which might be okay in some situations but it will be detrimental for them defensively.
@@BIGgamez78 So you opt to put two players costing the Suns $130 million per year on the bench? You think that's going to fly? Beal around $55 million and Grayson Allen salary and tax penalty at $75 million. That would give new meaning to the term "dysfunctional."
@@DaryMatera Their salaries are precisely why they have to maximize their production and I feel at least Beal’s production would be best suited with the 2nd unit. I feel Grayson would be best suited while on the court with KD and Book because of his 3pt shooting and he’ll get plenty of minutes on the court with those 2 but I feel he’ll come off the bench because of his size. Beal on the other hand will be better utilized with the 2nd unit… will there be times he’s on the court with Book and KD, sure but he’d be way more effective being in the game when either of one of them is off the court. Also there will be times where Beal could start because Book isn’t going to play every game. Booker usually plays around 65 regular season games each season so there will be a chance for Beal to start 15 or so games there and KD will miss time and if KD isn’t in the lineup then yes Beal would be needed to start even if that makes them small because Beal’s scoring then would be needed in the first unit. So I can still see Beal starting 20-30 games. Their salaries shouldn’t dictate whether they are starters or not, and I don’t think it will. Bottom line is what is best for the Suns and if that means neither of them starting then so be it. If it bothers Beal then he can pout all he wants and waive his trade clause and seek a team that would take on his contract… I’m sure the Suns wouldn’t mind getting out from underneath his ridiculous contract. If the Suns could flip his contract for a good wing player of just for a couple solid players that would fill a need I’m sure the Suns would be ecstatic.
@@BIGgamez78 What flavor pie in the sky are you dining on? Beal makes $55 million per year. He's not going to be some second team scrub. Grayson Allen is costing the Suns $75 freakin' million for salary and tax penalty. You want to make him a scrub? Grayson is not going to lead the NBA in three point rips by coming in cold off the beach for a few minutes a quarter. There's some basic logic to your suggestions, I get it, but you only dealt with the massive egos at the end and you blew off $160 million in salaries and penalties like it was chump change.
Yeah, a vet minimum unknown off the scrap heap now makes the dysfunctional Suns "a contender!" What flavor is your Kool-Aid? The Suns still have that three-headed shooting guard monster who can't play nice together.
Jones got that "record) assist to turnover ratio by coming in off the bench, slow walking the ball up court uncontested, and lobbing a pass to a wide open superstar.
@DaryMatera he was just in Memphis and put up great assist numbers along with starting a bunch of games when Ja Morant was out. 2022 with Ja Morant team went 36-21 without Morant 20-5, guess who played a lot more with Morant out. *drops the mic* 🎤
@@somebody9785 To assert that this scrap heap vet minimum pick up is more valuable than the $200 million dollar man Ja is the very height of fanboy delusion.
Could the Suns have EJ Liddell play on our G League team? I like Liddell's upside. Fantastic defender with size and big body. If he gets his 3pt shot at consistently 38% or higher, he could be a dawg in our rotation.
Suns fanboys said that about the Suns last season. How'd that work out? They're stacked at ISO shooting guards, that's for sure. Stepping all over each other.
@@DaryMatera they made a team to beat nuggets and went out and beat nuggets. Problem was they were too focussed on nuggets. Now they fixed PG and big flaws. Go back to the hole you climbed out from? Who you go for anyways? Someone that lost no doubt😂
@@DaryMaterathat ms why that was last season and this is a new one. Plus we had no time at all to mesh last season. Building chemistry is a big thing along with talent which we def have.
@@brodiecahill1115 Sorry I'm not in the Kook-Aid mindless fanboy hole where you reside with your pink unicorn and gumdrops. As I recall the Suns never made it to the Nuggets. Swept outta the first round by an Ant.
@@brodiecahill1115 Sorry. I don't reside in the feckless mindless fanboy hole where you exist with your pink unicorn and gum drops. As I recall the Suns never made it to the Nuggets. Got broomed in the first round. Guess you didn't get the playoffs in your hole.
You do realize Phx did the exact same redundant move they did with Beal and Booker, now you got Monte’ and Tyus… you paid Grayson Allen. If a trade comes you look good for assets, but if not you got mid defense on the perimeter and mid defense on the interior. You will win games, but a ring is light years away.
Suns are the Kings of redundant rosters. Everybody steps on everybody's game. Plus Reaper is just a tall skinny shooting guard so he's another Beal and Booker. That's why all the dysfunction last season.
@@DaryMatera if I'm not mistaken, the lust was under Ryan McDonough which was historically a very bad time for the Suns.. we would take any player at that time lol. I have no personal issue with him, I think he's a decent player. He just was a horrendous piece for us because he did nothing on the defensive end, was extremely inconsistent, and was expecting a high volume role on a team with 3 first options. If he accepted a his role as a 3 and D piece or 6th man, I would have liked him here in PHX more.
They are undersized because they have 10 players 6'6" or shorter. This is basketball & you can't win in this league with midgets. Did you not see how big and athletic the contending teams were in the playoffs?
@@litsupa1002I believe the Celtics were ranked #15 in the nba for team height. Suns were ranked #13. Celtics starters in the Finals weren’t big. Their center 6’9”, PF 6’8”, SF 6’6”, and both backcourt players 6’4”. 🤷🏼♂️
@BIGgamez78 ATHLETICISM! Both JT & JB are big, great on ball defense wings! Both White & Holiday are big, great on ball defense guards! That's not remotely in the same ball park! The Suns had no above the rim or rim protecting type players & they still don't!
@@litsupa1002 No I didn’t forget about Porzingis… He wasn’t a starter in the Finals, my post clearly says “starters in the Finals” Your previous post says nothing about athleticism… you just talk about height. I pointed out a team that is shorter than the Suns… but now you’re saying something different than height and are bringing up athleticism. lol Also just to note Suns were 10th in the entire League for rebounding and 7th in Block shots.
Suns should REALLY consider grabbing Dwight Howard, for a veteran minimum. Don't need him to give you 20. You just need him to be aggressive in the paint. Think about the Joker, Giannis, BOTH, KAT and Rudy.... I PROMISE you,if they sign Dwight to a league minimum..... NOBODY is fuckin with them!!!!!!
BI don't understand many of yall infatuation with trading nurkic. For who exactly. At one point he was top 10 in defensive efficiency. He defends the perimeter Extremely well. He locked up joker twice. This obsession with shooting threes is ridiculous.plumlee and odo are not on nurkic level. We are all in and locked amd ready to roll. Don't get the hate for nurkic at all.
The Suns fans need to stop with this delusion. What sort of a "big 3" needs help with creation? This team will be lucky to make it past the first round
He should just bc he has a huge contract doesn’t mean anything he hasn’t shown anything other than being injured most of the time him coming off the bench would actually do him a favor of avoiding serious injuries. Besides we’ve seen that Beal book & kd can’t start together it just doesn’t work well they’re 3 ball dominate players
I don’t think they will want him to come off the bench. You want your best players out there on the court from the start. I mean who would you rather see starting over Beal?
@@madswan2072 Ok did Devin booker die or something ? Are you fans really that dense Devin booker is the teams natural starting shooting guard & it should stay that way playing book & Beal out of their position last year did nothing for them & it got frank Vogel fired if Westbrook or harden can accept a bench role I don’t see why Beal can’t it will actually help the team in long term the 2nd unit will wreck any other teams bench bc he will be leading them while kd & book rest
@@madswan2072 A Karl Malone clone would work. But the Suns haven't had that kind of Power in the Paint since Sir Charles. Thus the fatal flaw of the Suns that roars on in Big Alleged Three redux. Three shooting guards stepping all over each other? It's like everybody forget that a championship Big Three is a dead eye guard, a greyhound fast break wing, and a powerful center or forward.
Three guard lineup with Jones, Beal and Book won’t work. Those lineups won’t defend or rebound well enough. Beal should drop the ego and accept the Manu Ginobili. He won’t get touches in the starting lineup. He would get a ton coming off the bench.
@@AllanteHarvey I love the pick up. What are you talking about? I’m saying they can’t start all three. Start Tyus Jones. He’ll maximize KD and Book and the offense. Beal would feast off the bench. All three can’t start at once.
Could it be Tyus misjudged his market because he's not that good? The NBA searches the entire world for talent unlike any other league on Earth. You think they missed on a home grown dude? From Duke no less. No NBA scouts ever sit in the stands there, eh?
@@spacelion4763 Then why was Mr. Jones available at this late date for the lower vet minimum? Dude didn't even average double figures in college. Five assists. MEH. He has a low assist/turnover rate because all he did in the NBA was dribble uncontested up the court and lob an open pass to the resident superstar. Betty White could do that.
@@DaryMatera He had interest from other teams but the fit wasn't as good. He could have made more money but may have had a more limited role. He could have gone back to Memphis but didn't want to sit behind Ja Morant again when he just got put from behind that last season. He came to Phoenix because he wants to maximize his value before hitting free agency next year. He's going to start. He's going to put up like 12 and 10 efficiently on this team and he will get his bag next Summer. If you think he isn't a good player, you are plain stupid. That's not up for debate
@@spacelion4763 He's not going to average 12 and 10. That's a "stupid" fanboy delusion. He only averaged 9 and 5 his best year in college. I don't even see him playing that much. Grayson Allen is costing the Suns $75 million a year in salary and kitchen apron tax penalties. You really think they're going to bench Grayson and his dead-eye corner three that fits perfectly in the Suns scheme for a $3 million chump change backup point guard who plays on the perimeter with the $160 million Alleged Big Three? Talk about "stupid." If Jones wanted to "maximize" his limited ability he would have avoided the Suns and their clogged backcourt of ball hogging gunners like the plague. He's an okay player by NBA standards. All NBA players are "good." Fanboys like you were loving on Morris Day and the Time last week, claiming he was the next Steve Nash. Now it's Me and Mr. Jones? Hilariously stupidity. You'll see.
Suns just add another piece that doesn’t fit together with the other pieces, shows you that the problem with being second apron team is not so much not about being able to sign good players but good players that fit together with existing pieces. There is no plan, just sign whoever is available and willing to come. Suns were already very not athletic and small and they just got even smaller and less athletic, and 1 year older too, how the f**k can a slow small and unathletic team with so few defenders like jones-beal-book-kd-nurkic even work in the modern era, like seriously this team is a disaster waiting to happen, lucky if they are even a play in team
You’ll be eating this statement around May , valid points but when you add 2 pure point guards to a team with 3 all stars it can literally only get easier
@@arielrojas5527 i hope so, however if you liked every move that the suns have made that lead them from a finals appearance to a first round sweep, then what makes you think your opinion matters since you also approved every bad move that have made, you obviously lack any critical thinking needed to determine if a move is good or bad
@@固體蛇 Then again, getting a potential GOAT like Reaper was a move that couldn't be turned down. All for a couple of roll players. Yeah, Bridges can have his nights when set free of Booker, but on the Suns he was a roll player.
So the Suns sign a career back up point guard to be their starter - and bounce the NBA's leading three point shooter and hustler - Grayson Allen - to ride pine. Brilliant. And what do the Suns lack the most? Three point drillers. Yeah, they also lacked a PG QB, and now they have three MEH ones. I'm not feeling it. They're still overloaded at shooting guard with their Big Ball Hogging Three all playing the same position. Dysfunction will rule again.
@@joshuacook2981 I'm aware of the stats. So he dribbles the ball up court uncontested (no NBA team full court presses) and lobs a wide open pass to the resident superstar and never sees the ball again. Not that impressive. I don't see either Jones or Morris penetrating and brilliantly dishing blind like Steve Nash or John Stockton. Those Hall of Famers didn't care about their assist to apple turnover ratios. They just turned average players into stars, and stars into superstars with tons of easy baskets. Won't work with the Suns because the Alleged Big Three are all dribble for 23 seconds and shoot types. Still, the new PGs might bring some order to the dysfunctional force so we shall see.
bros a quality starting pg, 3 “meh” pgs? just false. the reason u don’t like it is because ur just wrong lmaoo. omg they need 3 point drillers it’s almost like book beal and kd can all shoot 3’s extremely well. it’s not like grayson allen’s off the fucking team he’s just coming off the bench. also tyus jones shot 41% from 3 last year. start watching basketball before u start talking
@@vasniivy You're overdosing on the Kool-aid. If Tyrus is so great why was he still available and willing to play for the vet minimum? Same for Morris. Start watching basketball? You should know that Grayson Allen needs to be a well-oiled starter to get in his league leading three-point groove. He's not as effective coming in cold off the bench. They don't call him Grayson "Microwave" Allen (if you get the reference?). So Tyrus shoots well from three last year? How many perimeter threes is he going to take from The Alleged Big Three? That would be zero. A well-oiled Allen is deadly from the corners, which Slim Reaper is on record saying he wants no part of. Neither does Booker or Beal. Meshing styles are critical in the NBA. Not a point guard longing to be a shooting guard. But we shall see won't we?
It looks good on paper, I will believe it when I see it.
This is a GREAT pick up!!!
Putting the word "great" in all caps does not turn an average backup point guard into Magic Johnson. Sorry.
Tyus Jones is going to have a break out season with the Suns! Suns are now clearly the favorite in the Western Conference.
The Suns are back in contention! Just get a rim protector and they can compete with anyone!
You confusing the Suns with the Cards? Cards need a run protector. LOL.
You have to acquire the rim protector first and then you are back in contention. Not before. lol
This can happen if Nurk goes. Nurk + 2031 for a rim protector can work. But the 5 market is dry af
Sure. Cause Nurk, Bol, Dunn, Plumlee, and even Durant can’t protect the rim anyway, lol.
@@DamnWhoAsked Damn who asked you?
This CBA turned out to be a nightmare for players in the MLE tier. Don't get me wrong, happy the Suns got a player like this to further improve their roster, but no way should Tyus have been essentially jobless for as long as he was with so many good teams not looking to give him an opportunity.
Yeah I know they hate CJ
This is a beyond successful offseason, from the draft to free agency. Based on our cap flexibility, this is best case scenario. From no PGs on the roster to TWO PGs, who are very capable offensive engineers
Shoutout James Jones
So we won’t get swept again?
Also getting rid of the worst coach in Suns history
So you're also drinking the Kook-Aid on the two "defensive minded" late round rookies who can't hit the ocean with a medicine ball? Didn't one of them go 0-For the Summer League in threes? Bricked every single one. Badly.
Mat Ishbia is a closer. Give him his props
Matty Ish is spending like a drunk sailor but oddly for a basketball junkie big time college walk-on he has no clue how to build a functional team. His Alleged Big Three all play the same ball dominate shooting guard position - even the Slim Reaper. Dumb. We saw how that played out last season. The were the Small Unhappy Three. A tradition Big Three should be a dead-eye guard, a long-armed wing, and a center or power forward. Not three ball hog shooting guards who play little D. Suns will barely make the playoffs again. Maybe play-in?
@@DaryMatera Guys like you are always negative
@@brian6816 Guys like me eh? Is that like "you people?" You mean those who live in reality? Not mindless fanboys?
@@DaryMaterabarely play in team? What makes you think that, they addressed every concern from last season. Which they were a 50 win team. While Beal was hurt majority of the season
@@DaryMatera none of that is true lol
I think what would be cool is if Brad came off the bench how Ray Allen did for the Miami Heat to give them a more defensive minded starting lineup and then you can run out Brad and he can STILL get 20+ without compromising the whole start of the game defensively.
Brad ain't going for that. Warriors tried to do that to Klay Thompson. Where is he now?
Does anybody know when the Suns would obtain the Bird Rights for Tyus? How many years would that take and depending on that would there be any chance of his sticking with the Suns even if that meant signing a minimum contract again say next season if the Suns could offer him a huge contract down the line? Or is there really no chance of a situation like that happening?
I’d like to see Tyus remain on the Suns past next season but if he can get a much bigger contract then he will absolutely do that… but I’m wondering if the Suns were able to offer him what he could get on the open market, just how long would that take? I could see him signing another minimum contract next season if it meant the Suns could sign him after that to a much bigger contract but I don’t know how the CBA works and if that would be an option or if it would take longer to do.
If anybody know how the CBA works I’d love to know exactly how long it would take to obtain his bird rights and offer him a much bigger contract?
I’m not a Suns fan but I’m happy for the fan base. This is a home run move.
That being said, Brad Beal needs to move to a 6th man role. I think the Suns next move, should be to trade Grayson Allen to BK for DFS. I never want to see KD at the 4 again. Especially at this point in his career and Nurk manning the paint.
@@JustinDean93 everyone keeps talking about DFS but he looks beyond washed especially the last couple of years.
KD is a tall skinny shooting guard. Not remotely a "power" forward.
Its actually pretty cool how they are approaching team building the reserves are like the poor mans version of the starters
PG: Tyus Jones/Monte (very similar)
SG: Book/Beal (very similar)
Sf: KD/Bol (reach yes but Bol at his best has some KD in his game).
C: Nurk/Oso
Then you have Dunn/Okogie and Allen/Lee. Lots of overlap. I wonder if they do it so if you make a trade you can plug in a similar player
Bradley Beal is now a $55 million per year reserve? Since when?
@@DaryMateraBeal would be more effective off the bench with the current roster. Suns would solve their problem with the bench scoring. Having Booker, Beal and KD on the floor together wasn’t too effective and made their offense predictable. Also neither Booker or Beal is a true PG so Tyus starting solves the playmaking duties and will result in less turnovers. Also starting Beal alongside Booker and Tyus makes the Suns extremely small which might be okay in some situations but it will be detrimental for them defensively.
@@BIGgamez78 So you opt to put two players costing the Suns $130 million per year on the bench? You think that's going to fly? Beal around $55 million and Grayson Allen salary and tax penalty at $75 million. That would give new meaning to the term "dysfunctional."
@@DaryMatera
Their salaries are precisely why they have to maximize their production and I feel at least Beal’s production would be best suited with the 2nd unit. I feel Grayson would be best suited while on the court with KD and Book because of his 3pt shooting and he’ll get plenty of minutes on the court with those 2 but I feel he’ll come off the bench because of his size. Beal on the other hand will be better utilized with the 2nd unit… will there be times he’s on the court with Book and KD, sure but he’d be way more effective being in the game when either of one of them is off the court. Also there will be times where Beal could start because Book isn’t going to play every game. Booker usually plays around 65 regular season games each season so there will be a chance for Beal to start 15 or so games there and KD will miss time and if KD isn’t in the lineup then yes Beal would be needed to start even if that makes them small because Beal’s scoring then would be needed in the first unit. So I can still see Beal starting 20-30 games.
Their salaries shouldn’t dictate whether they are starters or not, and I don’t think it will. Bottom line is what is best for the Suns and if that means neither of them starting then so be it. If it bothers Beal then he can pout all he wants and waive his trade clause and seek a team that would take on his contract… I’m sure the Suns wouldn’t mind getting out from underneath his ridiculous contract. If the Suns could flip his contract for a good wing player of just for a couple solid players that would fill a need I’m sure the Suns would be ecstatic.
@@BIGgamez78 What flavor pie in the sky are you dining on? Beal makes $55 million per year. He's not going to be some second team scrub. Grayson Allen is costing the Suns $75 freakin' million for salary and tax penalty. You want to make him a scrub? Grayson is not going to lead the NBA in three point rips by coming in cold off the beach for a few minutes a quarter. There's some basic logic to your suggestions, I get it, but you only dealt with the massive egos at the end and you blew off $160 million in salaries and penalties like it was chump change.
Brendon Thank you for your great coverage, this is a great signing and makes them a legitimate contender if they stay healthy🏀🙏
Yeah, a vet minimum unknown off the scrap heap now makes the dysfunctional Suns "a contender!" What flavor is your Kool-Aid? The Suns still have that three-headed shooting guard monster who can't play nice together.
7/1 assist to turnover ratio and 41% from 3 and gets the minimum contract is crazy! 🤯
Jones got that "record) assist to turnover ratio by coming in off the bench, slow walking the ball up court uncontested, and lobbing a pass to a wide open superstar.
@DaryMatera he was just in Memphis and put up great assist numbers along with starting a bunch of games when Ja Morant was out.
2022 with Ja Morant team went 36-21 without Morant 20-5, guess who played a lot more with Morant out.
*drops the mic* 🎤
@@somebody9785 To assert that this scrap heap vet minimum pick up is more valuable than the $200 million dollar man Ja is the very height of fanboy delusion.
@@somebody9785well said brother!
Could the Suns have EJ Liddell play on our G League team? I like Liddell's upside. Fantastic defender with size and big body. If he gets his 3pt shot at consistently 38% or higher, he could be a dawg in our rotation.
Dude we are STACKED!
Suns fanboys said that about the Suns last season. How'd that work out? They're stacked at ISO shooting guards, that's for sure. Stepping all over each other.
@@DaryMatera they made a team to beat nuggets and went out and beat nuggets. Problem was they were too focussed on nuggets. Now they fixed PG and big flaws. Go back to the hole you climbed out from? Who you go for anyways? Someone that lost no doubt😂
@@DaryMaterathat ms why that was last season and this is a new one. Plus we had no time at all to mesh last season. Building chemistry is a big thing along with talent which we def have.
@@brodiecahill1115 Sorry I'm not in the Kook-Aid mindless fanboy hole where you reside with your pink unicorn and gumdrops. As I recall the Suns never made it to the Nuggets. Swept outta the first round by an Ant.
@@brodiecahill1115 Sorry. I don't reside in the feckless mindless fanboy hole where you exist with your pink unicorn and gum drops. As I recall the Suns never made it to the Nuggets. Got broomed in the first round. Guess you didn't get the playoffs in your hole.
You do realize Phx did the exact same redundant move they did with Beal and Booker, now you got Monte’ and Tyus… you paid Grayson Allen. If a trade comes you look good for assets, but if not you got mid defense on the perimeter and mid defense on the interior. You will win games, but a ring is light years away.
This...we are so UNBALANCED yet again...our top 9 guys are, esentially, 5 defensively-challenged GUARDS + KD, Royce, Nurk and Plumlee
Suns are the Kings of redundant rosters. Everybody steps on everybody's game. Plus Reaper is just a tall skinny shooting guard so he's another Beal and Booker. That's why all the dysfunction last season.
You comment hate on eveey comment . Stfu!!!!@@DaryMatera
Phoenix suns James Jones I like that pick up for David Roddy bring in tyus Jones
I love this signing and I am very happy Eric Gordon is off the team/
What was wrong with Eric Gordon? Suns and the fanboys have lusted after him for years.
@@DaryMatera if I'm not mistaken, the lust was under Ryan McDonough which was historically a very bad time for the Suns.. we would take any player at that time lol. I have no personal issue with him, I think he's a decent player. He just was a horrendous piece for us because he did nothing on the defensive end, was extremely inconsistent, and was expecting a high volume role on a team with 3 first options. If he accepted a his role as a 3 and D piece or 6th man, I would have liked him here in PHX more.
@@liammorales9106 No Phone Jones and recent Suns era fans lusted after Eric Gordon as well.
Great take, don't foget Tyus and Grayson won a championship at Duke together, Similar to NY KNICKS we have to keep them together.
Them not looking the same is a good thing. They have four 7 footers how are they undersized? Just wait for Buds rotations.
They are undersized because they have 10 players 6'6" or shorter. This is basketball & you can't win in this league with midgets. Did you not see how big and athletic the contending teams were in the playoffs?
@@litsupa1002I believe the Celtics were ranked #15 in the nba for team height. Suns were ranked #13.
Celtics starters in the Finals weren’t big. Their center 6’9”, PF 6’8”, SF 6’6”, and both backcourt players 6’4”. 🤷🏼♂️
@BIGgamez78 ATHLETICISM! Both JT & JB are big, great on ball defense wings! Both White & Holiday are big, great on ball defense guards! That's not remotely in the same ball park! The Suns had no above the rim or rim protecting type players & they still don't!
@BIGgamez78 and I think you forget the Celtics have 7'3" KP who killed on both ends inside & out when he was healthy as he did in the finals!
@@litsupa1002 No I didn’t forget about Porzingis… He wasn’t a starter in the Finals, my post clearly says “starters in the Finals”
Your previous post says nothing about athleticism… you just talk about height. I pointed out a team that is shorter than the Suns… but now you’re saying something different than height and are bringing up athleticism. lol
Also just to note Suns were 10th in the entire League for rebounding and 7th in Block shots.
we have been yelling for a year for pg got it right
Any rebounder available? I really think that's the one missing piece at this point
Suns should REALLY consider grabbing Dwight Howard, for a veteran minimum. Don't need him to give you 20. You just need him to be aggressive in the paint. Think about the Joker, Giannis, BOTH, KAT and Rudy.... I PROMISE you,if they sign Dwight to a league minimum..... NOBODY is fuckin with them!!!!!!
@@ADiggz1810 NBA players don't want Light Dwight in their locker rooms. Ain't gonna happen.
BI don't understand many of yall infatuation with trading nurkic. For who exactly. At one point he was top 10 in defensive efficiency. He defends the perimeter Extremely well. He locked up joker twice. This obsession with shooting threes is ridiculous.plumlee and odo are not on nurkic level. We are all in and locked amd ready to roll. Don't get the hate for nurkic at all.
The Suns fans need to stop with this delusion. What sort of a "big 3" needs help with creation? This team will be lucky to make it past the first round
Sums just need a defensive center
Starting center he said
Tyus isn't a center smart one he's a point guard stop drinking cold coffee
Let's not kid ourselves...it won't be long before Beal is sitting on the bench...with an injury and then we can start Royce.
WIll the Suns be able to resign him next year if he does well?
I would love to see them start Bol Bol over B. Beal but that won't happen.
is grayson allen for herb jones too much to ask
He’s gonna start ?
Appears he was told that in negotiations.
Suns fans are on some powerful drugs if they think Beal will be ok with coming off the bench
You guys think Beal will accept the bench? Lol
He should just bc he has a huge contract doesn’t mean anything he hasn’t shown anything other than being injured most of the time him coming off the bench would actually do him a favor of avoiding serious injuries. Besides we’ve seen that Beal book & kd can’t start together it just doesn’t work well they’re 3 ball dominate players
@@MaximusSunman Earth to Maximus. Beal coming in cold off the bench is a recipe for more injuries.
I don’t think they will want him to come off the bench. You want your best players out there on the court from the start. I mean who would you rather see starting over Beal?
@@madswan2072 Ok did Devin booker die or something ? Are you fans really that dense Devin booker is the teams natural starting shooting guard & it should stay that way playing book & Beal out of their position last year did nothing for them & it got frank Vogel fired if Westbrook or harden can accept a bench role I don’t see why Beal can’t it will actually help the team in long term the 2nd unit will wreck any other teams bench bc he will be leading them while kd & book rest
@@madswan2072 A Karl Malone clone would work. But the Suns haven't had that kind of Power in the Paint since Sir Charles. Thus the fatal flaw of the Suns that roars on in Big Alleged Three redux. Three shooting guards stepping all over each other? It's like everybody forget that a championship Big Three is a dead eye guard, a greyhound fast break wing, and a powerful center or forward.
Three guard lineup with Jones, Beal and Book won’t work. Those lineups won’t defend or rebound well enough. Beal should drop the ego and accept the Manu Ginobili. He won’t get touches in the starting lineup. He would get a ton coming off the bench.
Stop it y’all beg they get a point guard they get one n u still hating shut up n enjoy the team
@@AllanteHarvey I love the pick up. What are you talking about? I’m saying they can’t start all three. Start Tyus Jones. He’ll maximize KD and Book and the offense. Beal would feast off the bench. All three can’t start at once.
@@ki2726go tell Beal that then…. Let us have one day of happiness
@@ki2726 Beal will injure himself coming in cold off the bench.
Tyus misjudged his market. Suns benefit
Could it be Tyus misjudged his market because he's not that good? The NBA searches the entire world for talent unlike any other league on Earth. You think they missed on a home grown dude? From Duke no less. No NBA scouts ever sit in the stands there, eh?
@@DaryMatera Not that good? Lol
He's the all time leader in assist/turnover ratio. Shot 41.4% from three last year. He's very good
@@spacelion4763 Then why was Mr. Jones available at this late date for the lower vet minimum? Dude didn't even average double figures in college. Five assists. MEH. He has a low assist/turnover rate because all he did in the NBA was dribble uncontested up the court and lob an open pass to the resident superstar. Betty White could do that.
@@DaryMatera He had interest from other teams but the fit wasn't as good. He could have made more money but may have had a more limited role. He could have gone back to Memphis but didn't want to sit behind Ja Morant again when he just got put from behind that last season. He came to Phoenix because he wants to maximize his value before hitting free agency next year. He's going to start. He's going to put up like 12 and 10 efficiently on this team and he will get his bag next Summer.
If you think he isn't a good player, you are plain stupid. That's not up for debate
@@spacelion4763 He's not going to average 12 and 10. That's a "stupid" fanboy delusion. He only averaged 9 and 5 his best year in college. I don't even see him playing that much. Grayson Allen is costing the Suns $75 million a year in salary and kitchen apron tax penalties. You really think they're going to bench Grayson and his dead-eye corner three that fits perfectly in the Suns scheme for a $3 million chump change backup point guard who plays on the perimeter with the $160 million Alleged Big Three? Talk about "stupid." If Jones wanted to "maximize" his limited ability he would have avoided the Suns and their clogged backcourt of ball hogging gunners like the plague.
He's an okay player by NBA standards. All NBA players are "good." Fanboys like you were loving on Morris Day and the Time last week, claiming he was the next Steve Nash. Now it's Me and Mr. Jones? Hilariously stupidity. You'll see.
Suns just add another piece that doesn’t fit together with the other pieces, shows you that the problem with being second apron team is not so much not about being able to sign good players but good players that fit together with existing pieces. There is no plan, just sign whoever is available and willing to come. Suns were already very not athletic and small and they just got even smaller and less athletic, and 1 year older too, how the f**k can a slow small and unathletic team with so few defenders like jones-beal-book-kd-nurkic even work in the modern era, like seriously this team is a disaster waiting to happen, lucky if they are even a play in team
You’ll be eating this statement around May , valid points but when you add 2 pure point guards to a team with 3 all stars it can literally only get easier
@@arielrojas5527 i hope so, however if you liked every move that the suns have made that lead them from a finals appearance to a first round sweep, then what makes you think your opinion matters since you also approved every bad move that have made, you obviously lack any critical thinking needed to determine if a move is good or bad
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@@固體蛇 Then again, getting a potential GOAT like Reaper was a move that couldn't be turned down. All for a couple of roll players. Yeah, Bridges can have his nights when set free of Booker, but on the Suns he was a roll player.
@@Rooky2k Defined as anyone who disagrees with you.
Why didnt we do this shit last year?? Stupid team. Or rigged league, especially signing him for the minimum definitely questionable
He is a defensive cone. Not a great shooter. Average pick.
Suns really need defence.
Suns drafted two brick-laying defenders. Not good enough for you? Of course, they'll never see any time.
Beal is trash
So the Suns sign a career back up point guard to be their starter - and bounce the NBA's leading three point shooter and hustler - Grayson Allen - to ride pine. Brilliant. And what do the Suns lack the most? Three point drillers. Yeah, they also lacked a PG QB, and now they have three MEH ones. I'm not feeling it. They're still overloaded at shooting guard with their Big Ball Hogging Three all playing the same position. Dysfunction will rule again.
Best TO yo assist ratio in the history of the NBA 3 times. When ja got hurt they went 21-2 with him starting. He is a starter
@@joshuacook2981 I'm aware of the stats. So he dribbles the ball up court uncontested (no NBA team full court presses) and lobs a wide open pass to the resident superstar and never sees the ball again. Not that impressive. I don't see either Jones or Morris penetrating and brilliantly dishing blind like Steve Nash or John Stockton. Those Hall of Famers didn't care about their assist to apple turnover ratios. They just turned average players into stars, and stars into superstars with tons of easy baskets. Won't work with the Suns because the Alleged Big Three are all dribble for 23 seconds and shoot types.
Still, the new PGs might bring some order to the dysfunctional force so we shall see.
bros a quality starting pg, 3 “meh” pgs? just false. the reason u don’t like it is because ur just wrong lmaoo. omg they need 3 point drillers it’s almost like book beal and kd can all shoot 3’s extremely well. it’s not like grayson allen’s off the fucking team he’s just coming off the bench. also tyus jones shot 41% from 3 last year. start watching basketball before u start talking
@@vasniivy You're overdosing on the Kool-aid. If Tyrus is so great why was he still available and willing to play for the vet minimum? Same for Morris. Start watching basketball? You should know that Grayson Allen needs to be a well-oiled starter to get in his league leading three-point groove. He's not as effective coming in cold off the bench. They don't call him Grayson "Microwave" Allen (if you get the reference?). So Tyrus shoots well from three last year? How many perimeter threes is he going to take from The Alleged Big Three? That would be zero. A well-oiled Allen is deadly from the corners, which Slim Reaper is on record saying he wants no part of. Neither does Booker or Beal. Meshing styles are critical in the NBA. Not a point guard longing to be a shooting guard.
But we shall see won't we?
@@DaryMaterayou're saying a lot of nothing...
We got so lucky with Morris and Jones
Says nobody nationally.
Starting 5
Jones
Book
Beal
KD
Plumlee
Bench 5
Morris
Allen
O’Neal
Bol Bol
Nurk
Gabe?! SUNDO?!?! Locked on/Suns Valley crossover? 🥹