What, only six timestamps today?! I must be losing my touch: 00:00 Introduction and what we’re doing today 00:57 The other overdrive pedals we’re using today 02:06 Your suggestions wanted! 02:47 Today’s rig and plan 03:45 Heavy rock loop with humbuckers 10:12 Rock loop with single coils
Vibtage big box RAT after a Timmy V2 is the way to go for the headroom on the gain, its superior to the screamer, can fuzz the Rat all the way to Doom with humbuckers or P90s but can can tame a telecasters high frequencies with the EQ. It's a super versatile stack and does the job of 4+ pedals.
That sounds amazing... I've been on the lookout for a well-priced, good condition big box Rat for ages now. They don't seem to come up in my part of the world too often! But yes, I can't wait to try all that :)
As for me Rat is absolutely self-sufficient pedal. Now I use Warlus Iron Horse v2, it has a little bit more bass than stock, also i had jam rattler and tested it with different chips, rat2 1998, turbo rat 1990. I can say that op07 ,is pretty decent chip, don't chase for lm308n. So, i think rat works fine without and additional drives before it.
Great comment and suggestions, thank you! For me also, I didn’t stack the Rat for the longest time because it’s simply amazing on its own. I need to try the Iron Horse one day!
I use my Rat II primarily for stacking huge sounding unruly Fuzz pedals. It tightens up the fuzz and covers over anytime a Fuzz decides to choke, overly sputter or drop out. In short it makes them playing in a band live proof. You should do a show on that. The before and after with some Fuzz pedals is astonishing. I find using them with OD's is useful but seldom does an OD sound a lot different than another since the Rat just takes over where as with a heavy fuzz it can shape it but not overwhelm it.
Fuzz is definitely the next thing I need to try with my Rat - it sounds like the Rat will solve all the problems I seem to have when using fuzz pedals! I assume a fuzz would need to strictly go before the Rat as well, although I may drop one in after just to hear the effect. And yes, I will do a video on this too. Very excited to start trying over the next few days! Cheers for the tips as usual!
And also put the RAT before a Big Muff (like nano Green Russian EHX)... You keep the huge bottom end of the Muff, but - and it's the secret - you have to set the RAT with minimum distortion possible (I used under 9h, close to 8... yes it's a very low setting !), volume at unity gain, the treble-cut set as you like (for me 13h -14h)... and you obtain a sort of range masterish sound. It cut the mix like hell 🤩
Maybe it's my phone speaker, but I feel the Rat does not need any of these very fancy OD-s as a booster. They do very little to the pedal I can hear. Thanks for uploading this !!!
I know what you mean! Sometimes the boost effect is very subtle, especially through the medium of TH-cam and a phone speaker. It's definitely more noticeable in the room, that's for sure, but like you say - the Rat is so gnarly on its own that you can totally get by without any other boosts for it (as I always did before making this video, in fact!). Cheers and rock on :)
i use a BMP after rat abd turn everything down use it for a tone and volume. warms up the tone, i use 4.5k output pickups bridge pickup raised almost all the way up...i run it into an 260 watt ampeg bass amp 4x12 320 watt cab and a 475 watt 3x15 cab... shits brutal but clear, dynamic. the rat is all middle settings and i adjust the distortion for different songs. sometimes i turn the volume up on the rat to get more distortion and highs.
Rich, you were also late to the Rat party?! Well, welcome - there is no going back! I only discovered them two or three years ago myself. Hope to see you soon... maybe in August over here? :)
@Rich. Words. Music. I really wanted to come to Gear Street this year, but just can't afford it. I just paid for my daughters wedding and am trying to recover from that. Have fun without me. I told Henning next year for sure.
@@RichBischoff Ah, that's a real shame. More Richs = more fun, always! But, you have good reasons, and hey, not too long until 2024 :) Maybe you can shoot for NAMM in January too?!
This is an interesting test, I usually use my Rat clone for ballsy single action grit, never thought of plugging my other drives into it, for some reason. I'm having interesting results! Great idea!
It is, isn't it! I can't claim this is in any way an original idea (people have clearly been doing this for decades) but because the Rat always has enough gain on tap for me on its own I just never thought to run something else into it... but I am happy I did! The next thing to try is other drives/boosts after the Rat - and then Rat + FUZZ 😎
@@RichWordsMusic I was experimenting a bit, driving my double Lightspeed clone with my MB Rat clone. Gorgeous Soldano-like tones it gave me. Never thought I would have this much fun with that €20 Rodent. :)
The Timmy definitely gives a boost of clarity... it's such a great pedal for stacking! Seems to make the other pedal(s) always sound a little better, no matter what they are.
They're subtle for sure - try it with headphones if you didn't before, and that might give you a little more in terms of differences. That said, these drive pedals are all not too dissimilar, so they do do similar things when pushing the Rat... I recently did another video where I stuck the Lightspeed, a fuzz and a boost into the Rat, and that brought about much bigger tonal differences!
Got the same pedal as own a DS-1 (for sale) and ME-80 (not for sale) I'd like to add a fuzz and compressor and for the rest let the ME-80 do its magic...maybe a Boss AW-3...terrible hobby 😂
Ha ha, it's an expensive hobby for sure! But so much fun. With a few choice analog drive pedals and the ME-80 you've got pretty much everything covered I think.
@@RichWordsMusic The ME-80 is very nice (ergonomically maybe the best multi I can think of). Try to keep the pedals to an exquisite minimum. RAT was a must have and thinking of a dedicated compressor and maybe auto-wah (AW-3 takes exp. pedal for regular wah-ing, just made that up). Nice channel and enjoy your gear! Saw a video of the Waza Fuzz, seriously silent and fuzzy.
Thanks for watching, and for the great tip - consider that added to my wishlist to try ;) Running stuff after the Rat is something I haven't really tried at all yet... Cheers!
@@RichWordsMusic One of my pedals ( Animalizzer fuzz) can sound RAT-alike with the proper settings, and I was stunned with the sound I could get when I fed the Animalizzer signal into a Red Llama-type circuit that I am designing. It really opened up quite a few new tonal possibilities. Hence my suggestion. Cheers!!!
The klon sounded a little muddy to me. Wonder if it's to do with that particular type, or the settings. I play a way huge conspiracy theory into a rattler and love the sound
It could be, although it could just be my amp, or the fact that the other pedals here are simply brighter somehow. The Rattler is the next Rat-type on my shopping list... I've heard so many good things about it! Soon ;)
It's brilliant if you like the rat kind of distortion sound. Really recommend it - only bought one myself as my Proco Rat finally gave up the ghost after 15 years. Thanks for the brilliant content man keep it up @@RichWordsMusic
rat pusher! yea i guess the timmy was my favorite in this rat kickin contest. its hard to not enjoy the classic Rat tones. have a great week erybodys and keep slammin your preamps!
Rat Pusher... that could also be a pedal. The Fire Horse's smaller cousin, perhaps. But yeah, the Timmy (and the Lightspeed) play so well with everything... they just make the Rat madder and badder. A great sound! Keep on rocking and rolling :)
Is it alway necessary to run the Rat as a distortion? I would love to see a germanium fuzz (GTR pot down low) > Rat > Klon type. I have the Wampler Tumnus Deluxe and I have a sneaky feeling that a Rat between my mini fuzz face and the Tumnus would make a great fat clean/breakup tone.
Yes, Rats are great as cleanish boosts too - so try it! They are a little tricky to dial in at those points on the Distortion knob, but you can do it no problem. I'm actually on the lookout at the moment for a "low gain Rat" pedal, if such a thing exists, because I love that sound so much!
That's actually pretty cool, although gets out of control quickly! I did once stack 4 (!) Rat types together in another video I did... lower your volume and have a watch here if you dare: th-cam.com/video/rOwfhmPwHXM/w-d-xo.html But two together can have just the right amount of oomph if you're careful with the Distortion knobs! I've never done it with two identical ProCo Rats, though. One day!
Not gonna sound as good as you think. The rat has a stronger signal and will compress the overdrive and make them sound fuzzy and almost square-wave, and not in a good way.
How can you say this is a worthless video !!! How can you disrespect a good mans work, stacking the best OD-s on the market. Have you ever tried to make a TH-cam video yourself ??? It's not easy at all, and surely not 5minute task. You should think better next time.
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What, only six timestamps today?! I must be losing my touch:
00:00 Introduction and what we’re doing today
00:57 The other overdrive pedals we’re using today
02:06 Your suggestions wanted!
02:47 Today’s rig and plan
03:45 Heavy rock loop with humbuckers
10:12 Rock loop with single coils
Vibtage big box RAT after a Timmy V2 is the way to go for the headroom on the gain, its superior to the screamer, can fuzz the Rat all the way to Doom with humbuckers or P90s but can can tame a telecasters high frequencies with the EQ. It's a super versatile stack and does the job of 4+ pedals.
That sounds amazing... I've been on the lookout for a well-priced, good condition big box Rat for ages now. They don't seem to come up in my part of the world too often! But yes, I can't wait to try all that :)
As for me Rat is absolutely self-sufficient pedal. Now I use Warlus Iron Horse v2, it has a little bit more bass than stock, also i had jam rattler and tested it with different chips, rat2 1998, turbo rat 1990. I can say that op07 ,is pretty decent chip, don't chase for lm308n. So, i think rat works fine without and additional drives before it.
Great comment and suggestions, thank you! For me also, I didn’t stack the Rat for the longest time because it’s simply amazing on its own. I need to try the Iron Horse one day!
I use my Rat II primarily for stacking huge sounding unruly Fuzz pedals. It tightens up the fuzz and covers over anytime a Fuzz decides to choke, overly sputter or drop out. In short it makes them playing in a band live proof. You should do a show on that. The before and after with some Fuzz pedals is astonishing. I find using them with OD's is useful but seldom does an OD sound a lot different than another since the Rat just takes over where as with a heavy fuzz it can shape it but not overwhelm it.
Fuzz is definitely the next thing I need to try with my Rat - it sounds like the Rat will solve all the problems I seem to have when using fuzz pedals! I assume a fuzz would need to strictly go before the Rat as well, although I may drop one in after just to hear the effect. And yes, I will do a video on this too. Very excited to start trying over the next few days! Cheers for the tips as usual!
And also put the RAT before a Big Muff (like nano Green Russian EHX)... You keep the huge bottom end of the Muff, but - and it's the secret - you have to set the RAT with minimum distortion possible (I used under 9h, close to 8... yes it's a very low setting !), volume at unity gain, the treble-cut set as you like (for me 13h -14h)... and you obtain a sort of range masterish sound. It cut the mix like hell 🤩
@@synthexy2368 That's a great tip, thank you for sharing that! This is 100% something I will be trying soon. Cheers and rock on!
Wonderful format! Stacking pedals is so interesting and good as tutorial too!
I agree! I learn a lot by filming these and twisting the knobs too :) Thanks for watching and enjoying!
Maybe it's my phone speaker, but I feel the Rat does not need any of these very fancy OD-s as a booster. They do very little to the pedal I can hear. Thanks for uploading this !!!
I know what you mean! Sometimes the boost effect is very subtle, especially through the medium of TH-cam and a phone speaker. It's definitely more noticeable in the room, that's for sure, but like you say - the Rat is so gnarly on its own that you can totally get by without any other boosts for it (as I always did before making this video, in fact!). Cheers and rock on :)
Damn. They all sounded great. It's really a matter of taste. That Rat circuit just works well with everything.
Yes, that's the bottom line... the Rat sounds great and goes well with anything! So it's really just a case of personal taste.
Your videos are a fantastic resource, thank you!
Thanks so much, really glad you find them useful!
i use a BMP after rat abd turn everything down use it for a tone and volume. warms up the tone, i use 4.5k output pickups bridge pickup raised almost all the way up...i run it into an 260 watt ampeg bass amp 4x12 320 watt cab and a 475 watt 3x15 cab... shits brutal but clear, dynamic. the rat is all middle settings and i adjust the distortion for different songs. sometimes i turn the volume up on the rat to get more distortion and highs.
Hard to believe I just got my first RAT. I put the OCD in front of it. Great vid Rich! Thanks!
Rich, you were also late to the Rat party?! Well, welcome - there is no going back! I only discovered them two or three years ago myself. Hope to see you soon... maybe in August over here? :)
@Rich. Words. Music. I really wanted to come to Gear Street this year, but just can't afford it. I just paid for my daughters wedding and am trying to recover from that. Have fun without me. I told Henning next year for sure.
@@RichBischoff Ah, that's a real shame. More Richs = more fun, always! But, you have good reasons, and hey, not too long until 2024 :) Maybe you can shoot for NAMM in January too?!
This is an interesting test, I usually use my Rat clone for ballsy single action grit, never thought of plugging my other drives into it, for some reason. I'm having interesting results! Great idea!
It is, isn't it! I can't claim this is in any way an original idea (people have clearly been doing this for decades) but because the Rat always has enough gain on tap for me on its own I just never thought to run something else into it... but I am happy I did! The next thing to try is other drives/boosts after the Rat - and then Rat + FUZZ 😎
@@RichWordsMusic I was experimenting a bit, driving my double Lightspeed clone with my MB Rat clone. Gorgeous Soldano-like tones it gave me. Never thought I would have this much fun with that €20 Rodent. :)
I liked the TS mini and the Rat best, with the Pantheon a close second.
Yes, the TS is simply a fantastic boost for pretty much anything, and it fills out the Rat really well... it's a great combo!
I preferred the stacking with the timmy i have the impression that it brings more precision and harmonic to the rat
The Timmy definitely gives a boost of clarity... it's such a great pedal for stacking! Seems to make the other pedal(s) always sound a little better, no matter what they are.
I liked it with the Timmy the most. Seems to have more headroom
The Timmy stacks so well with other pedals, including the Rat... I think the headroom is a factor for sure!
Found it dificult to hear significant difference in tone, mainly gain.
They're subtle for sure - try it with headphones if you didn't before, and that might give you a little more in terms of differences. That said, these drive pedals are all not too dissimilar, so they do do similar things when pushing the Rat... I recently did another video where I stuck the Lightspeed, a fuzz and a boost into the Rat, and that brought about much bigger tonal differences!
Rat + Fulltone ocd + p90s = 🔥🔥🔥
Now that is one combination I haven’t tried yet… I really need to test it out ASAP! Thanks for the tip!
@@RichWordsMusic please do, and post it. also make sure the OCD is going into the Rat.
Got the same pedal as own a DS-1 (for sale) and ME-80 (not for sale) I'd like to add a fuzz and compressor and for the rest let the ME-80 do its magic...maybe a Boss AW-3...terrible hobby 😂
Ha ha, it's an expensive hobby for sure! But so much fun. With a few choice analog drive pedals and the ME-80 you've got pretty much everything covered I think.
@@RichWordsMusic The ME-80 is very nice (ergonomically maybe the best multi I can think of). Try to keep the pedals to an exquisite minimum. RAT was a must have and thinking of a dedicated compressor and maybe auto-wah (AW-3 takes exp. pedal for regular wah-ing, just made that up). Nice channel and enjoy your gear! Saw a video of the Waza Fuzz, seriously silent and fuzzy.
Thank you for this! May I suggest running a Red Llama after the RAT? Cheers!
Thanks for watching, and for the great tip - consider that added to my wishlist to try ;) Running stuff after the Rat is something I haven't really tried at all yet... Cheers!
@@RichWordsMusic One of my pedals ( Animalizzer fuzz) can sound RAT-alike with the proper settings, and I was stunned with the sound I could get when I fed the Animalizzer signal into a Red Llama-type circuit that I am designing. It really opened up quite a few new tonal possibilities. Hence my suggestion. Cheers!!!
The klon sounded a little muddy to me. Wonder if it's to do with that particular type, or the settings. I play a way huge conspiracy theory into a rattler and love the sound
It could be, although it could just be my amp, or the fact that the other pedals here are simply brighter somehow. The Rattler is the next Rat-type on my shopping list... I've heard so many good things about it! Soon ;)
It's brilliant if you like the rat kind of distortion sound. Really recommend it - only bought one myself as my Proco Rat finally gave up the ghost after 15 years. Thanks for the brilliant content man keep it up
@@RichWordsMusic
rat pusher!
yea i guess the timmy was my favorite in this rat kickin contest. its hard to not enjoy the classic Rat tones.
have a great week erybodys and keep slammin your preamps!
Rat Pusher... that could also be a pedal. The Fire Horse's smaller cousin, perhaps. But yeah, the Timmy (and the Lightspeed) play so well with everything... they just make the Rat madder and badder. A great sound! Keep on rocking and rolling :)
@@RichWordsMusic :)
Yeah, we know WHERE he pushes rats! ;oP
@@DMSProduktions It's a free country ;)
@@RichWordsMusic Cardboard tubes are FREE!
;o)
Super staking option - benson preamp after klon style drive
Now that’s a tip - I have the Benson Preamp too! Will definitely need to try this 😎
Is it alway necessary to run the Rat as a distortion? I would love to see a germanium fuzz (GTR pot down low) > Rat > Klon type. I have the Wampler Tumnus Deluxe and I have a sneaky feeling that a Rat between my mini fuzz face and the Tumnus would make a great fat clean/breakup tone.
Yes, Rats are great as cleanish boosts too - so try it! They are a little tricky to dial in at those points on the Distortion knob, but you can do it no problem. I'm actually on the lookout at the moment for a "low gain Rat" pedal, if such a thing exists, because I love that sound so much!
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Cheers my friend!
What about stacking 2 rats together?
That's actually pretty cool, although gets out of control quickly! I did once stack 4 (!) Rat types together in another video I did... lower your volume and have a watch here if you dare: th-cam.com/video/rOwfhmPwHXM/w-d-xo.html
But two together can have just the right amount of oomph if you're careful with the Distortion knobs! I've never done it with two identical ProCo Rats, though. One day!
TRY sticking them into the BACK end of a rat! ;oP
Yes, great tip! That's next on my list, along with some FUZZ/Rat action!
Edit: fuzz will have to go before, I guess, but no harm in trying it after ;)
@@RichWordsMusic NOT the KIND of rat, I was talking about! ;oP
Not gonna sound as good as you think. The rat has a stronger signal and will compress the overdrive and make them sound fuzzy and almost square-wave, and not in a good way.
@@SpaceJockey805 WHOOSH!
Run a (boost) ×(rat )×(6 band EQ ) into amp ....can achieve all types of genres from chicken picking to full on Doom
I smell a rat!
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Sounds like a lot of other somewhat boring distortion boxes. Never got all the RAT hype.
I didn't like the Rat for years, but now I love them. Try one with your amp/guitar if you ever get the chance, it might convince you!
Worthless video but not bad since there were no bad sounds
Well hey, if there were no bad sounds that makes the video not worthless! We learnt that the Rat sounds awesome with all of them 😎 Rock on!
How can you say this is a worthless video !!! How can you disrespect a good mans work, stacking the best OD-s on the market. Have you ever tried to make a TH-cam video yourself ??? It's not easy at all, and surely not 5minute task. You should think better next time.
Were you bored and just looking to troll someone? Piss off