1 year later - Did the Huawei ban work?
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The Huawei ban was announced over a year ago. Did it work? - The Story Behind - ep. 68
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Can you do the smart phone manufacturing boom in india? Seems like everyones ditching china for india, it could be a follow up to your india smartphone superpower video
@@arun3151997 Sounds like a great idea.
Nvidia, samsung are rushing to get arm on their side, would like to know more about the situation,like why is it in auction,what the hell happened with the China division and what may happen next.
Or what about the crack down on the top tech companies by US gov and EU
And noice
Can someone tell me what 69 means
The US did the same thing to Japan in the 80s. Once a bully always a bully.
@Ben Louis didn't France start the chicken war though?
@@Fists91 No, the US did that when France refused to support the illegal US invasion of Iraq.
And China ain’t Japan nor France. US is messing with the wrong bitch here.
And to Germany on their project Nord Stream 2
Margaretha Winarto completely different
I wrote my Master's thesis about this topic :D Always nice to see your perspective on this!
Maybe a link to your thesis?
@@stravelakis sure, I hope this works: drive.google.com/file/d/1Jgw48sioo_8Y-fhDy-HDpTUNUJ3kU139/view?usp=sharing FYI, this thesis was graded with an 8 out of 10 and was mainly focused on the software side of the ban :) Hope you enjoy it and let me know if you have anything interesting to add!
Nevercholt is this a public file? It’s asking me to sign in
@@andvari1056 it should be public now, can you check?
Keep in mind that people don't know your countries grading system here. 8/10?
When you bully, you invite your friends to join the bully, but not all friends agree to jump into the bandwagon. So you force the neutral kids to bully with you at gunpoint...
Other countries might team up and push the u.s away if they see that China is successful without them. I hope it happens because the u.s government is stupid
Huawei can’t be trusted with personal information
@@Somber7 The US can be??? Are you joking or what? No establishment built on politics can be trusted with personal information. Can you even trust your friends with personal information, none the less a country?
Fortune 8 USA has a the bill of rights and I do say brilliant constitution. “We the People” is a bottom up approach governance. Government is a necessary evil. US corporations are unlike Chinese corporations because Chinese corporations are CCP governed/owned. They are propped to obliterate any competition. American corporations have to make a profit where CCP corporations do not. Also, China’s citizens don’t have a bill of rights and fall under a communist dictatorship, there is no human value and no privacy. This is a top down 180 degrees different from USA. You are stating they are similar but they are exact opposites.
Fortune 8 CCP organ harvests from its political foes USA doesn’t so on an evil ranking, you believe USA is worse? Why do you back a CCP owned corporation?
Someone should really give arm a hand
Pun intended? 🤣
@@Georgeklee of course
Others lack the intel
Well, that is kinda a risc
Ba dum tsssssssssssssssss
Imagine Huawei devices having Google services they will stay at the top for many years but I'm a big supporter even tho I'm not in China and I'll keep buying their products
@@ThPappas but it dont work the same like security and protection services
Google actually begged the us gov to keep hauwei services cause they know how success they are .huawei does not steal anything or spy they are 3 years ahead of anyone else and not to mention they are the ones that co invented 4g and 5g and even 6g and same goes for there phones while they are the real innovators and real quality stupid apple just copies them around in everything for years now and selling just cheap made stupid little iphones that are (made in china) with 300% marketing win and samsung doing the same the real spys are apple in reality that have everyone catalogued. why you think this fake think going around the globe for hauwei cause trump knows how ahead in technology is not just in networks but also in smartphones and are no2 worldwide outselling even apple that's the whole reason cause of apple , trump is nothing more then a stupid idiot that made other countries to believe fake shit just so he can gain from apple.All that spy fantasies are self invented by trump and us gov what you can expect from U.S selfish they should be ashamed.
@@dmtd2388 Source - Global Times.
@@malharpathak4941 better than godi media sources aka zee news or tv9
Shame on you. Huawei is a despicable company, search huawei 251
"What does not kill you will make you stronger."
I hope it dies tho
Bullshit huawei hasnt had many sales since google services were taken out
@@armroj51 only little better than Samsung
@@masterpirate1227 I don't. Having less companies in the business is no good for consumers at the end.
@@armroj51 you are happy that huawei is out of the way. So there won't be serious rival to samsung. That is why samsing is making shitty phones with shitty exynos with little or no innovations and sell them at a very high price. And you end up buying it. Good for you and your like, let samsung keep ripping you guys off
This is a dangerous move to say the least, it's definitely a hard job for Huawei to battle this ban but if they survive and manage to work around this they'll basically be the most independent phone and networking company in the world.
Yes. But that I’m afraid still hasn’t been achieved yet and probably won’t be achieved anytime soon looking at their financial reports one year later
huawei commits genocide and uses forced labor. If the US doesn't stand up for muslims around the world against China's communistic practices, then nobody will.
@@aj2228
@@aj2228 if muslims becom majority there they will treat others more worst
@@aj2228 true but the united states literally do the same for 3rd world countries lol. both china and united states need to go inorder for the world to stabilize, russia as well, but really just putin and a few ex kgb crooks
not the case for america and china, there are way to much corruption the entire government needs to be remade.
Germany still.has Huawei smartphones like p30 and p40 .. Huawei is allowed to keep Google support for 5 years ...
even if they dont , theres a very simple workaround to get any service like google on your phone
@@fredlakota3595 sure .but that's not why I posted this comment ..
I really meant more that I was completely baffled to see that the so called BAN isn't really woth anything here ...
@@AndroidFerret they cannot possible ban the sale. They've just banned GMS. You cant use GMS but as the other guy said, there's a very simple workaround. Kirin chips are HIGH performance for the price they're packeted in, so i guess the enthusiasts still enjoy buying Huawei phones.
@@asoomyesh7022 like I said ..the Huawei phone in Germany still HAVE Google services installed ..
For the next 4 years from now (1 year is already over from the 5 years)
And since Huawei was banned from USING Google I ask myself how that's possible
@@AndroidFerret Here in the Philippines GMS have been gonr in latest Huawei phones, but lots of people are still looking for workarounds to have GMS lol
Watching this on my Huawei phone, from USA
Which model do you recommend?
@@CaneSugarCane mate20
@@sebastianz5067 ridiculous price, but ridiculously high quality
Cane Sugar You can try buy mate30 in taobao
mate 20 if you want Google apps, mate 30 if you're serious about it.
I dont know man, i certainly want huawei to survive and being out there to compete, but one thing the US doesnt like is competition....despite the fact that it is a pure driving force for better pricing, innovation, and quality.
Typical US arrogance, huawei is the future and as seen right now apple and also samsung cannot deliver competition , not tech wise and certainly not pricewise.. US cannot make their phones as cheap and good as huawei can, it's way to expensive, that's where huawei shines , they can make a phone twice as good for half the price, in the end there's only huawei unless those other 2 companies find a way to deliver better phones and yes for half the price
Yes True af
when did huawei innovate? was it whem they copied their menu to look exactly like and iphone or when they created a curved screen after samsung did it? when did huawei compete on a level playing field with its full backing and bags of money from the communist party so they can sell phones even at a loss just to undermine its competitors. Samsung is a private company, whould they afford that? All you huawei appologists are pathetic
I like competition in the market good for the consumer but the Chinese government was more recently having more seats on the board and in high executive positions maybe they were trying to take over the company like alibaba
Not a huawei fan, never had one of their phones but selling at a loss is a fallacy. Its just that they dont sell at hyper inflated prices. Xiaomi claims to only sell.at 5% margin yet looking at their profits, they clearly make alot more than 5% margin and still are far cheaper than anything from samsung and apple. Phones with high end specs are now vert affordable only due to chinese competition.
Meantime, Samsung is enjoying the battle...
@grimm reaper Well, the tax is being paid to Korean government regardless of its investors
Samsuck*
Samsung is not even on my list though.
Xiaomi is the winning of smartphone market outside of China
Seems that they are sleeping while a competitor is ready to eat their lunch.
To paraphrase Dom: The problem with putting your foot on Huawei's neck is you can never let it up.
Don't know if the ban was justified or not. Either way the US has a relatively small potential customer base, and it was clear from the start that losing that, and suppliers (even if those are important) only will force Huawei to become self sufficient, and to focus on other regions. They likely have the money, manpower, and facilities for it, or already working on it.
I am with you on this. Personally I think this was all done by Trump as he is scared that the USA is losing its super power on the world. I think in the long run this will hurt the USA more and decide the mobile market, again I think this will be a good thing.
I decided to jump from Google android where I have owned a number of devices my last being the note 8 to the p40 Pro to see how it felt being out of the Google eco system living in the UK.
For me unless we have a full ban on the phones here I don't see my self going back.
This has to be one of the best phones I have owned. Battery last me a full day if not more and I use my phone alot. I have access to around 90% of what I used on my other android phones. I am miasing my banking app and a pay service but I can access the bank on the Web and I just use my contact less on my card I stead.
I moved from a tic watch to the gt2 and I have to say again I don't see myself going back. OK dose not have pay or voice assistant yet but if I am honest I did not really use them on my tic watch. There are also less apps to be again I did not use them much plus this watch lasts me atleast a week and a half and again I use it for fitness once a day, sleep tracking make calls from it to.
I often see people say don't buy a huawei phone as it has not got Google and I always hit the same reply that there are other services out there other than Google to use and they are better services to.
It is each to there own on this but for me I have enjoyed my p40 pro for the 3 months I have had it.
James Allatt trump is just plain stupid or he is a Chinese spy, the original Us strategy is to keep China under US technology platform so that China can never leave US and slowly become US pawn, but trump just freaking slap them to wake China up into developing their own platform and damaging the profit of all Silicon Valley’s company, and maybe within a decade China will just overtake US even in technology factor after all these chaos by trump
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China can simply block foreign phones at any time. The availability of legal recourse is contingent upon government whim.
Short-term behaviours like this will only make Chinese competition stronger, and buttress the power of the Chinese State.
Yes bro, Huawei is already working on it.
@@james8606 but the Barclays app and some other apps don't work on Huawei phones out of the box
Have this conversation again in 12 months time and lets see where Huawei is at? Maybe impossible for a EU or US company, but Huawei is Chinese, and Chinese are known for their resilience. Long run the losing side will be the US and EU as this has forced the Chinese to manufacture their own Chips and in time they will get and reach TSMC capabilities. China will not allow it's high tech business to be bullied by the US and EU. I am convinced Huawei will overcome this period and come out of this.
The mobile phone market needs to change as well, US$1000 phones are just not the hot ticket item anymore, the mid-rangers are more attractive in terms of pricing and features as technology matures. You can always chase technology, there comes a point it becomes futile as this is largely dictated by people's pocket book. Feature rich, good performance and adequate memories is what I would be looking for on my phones, a good camera is a good thing but not a deal breaker with lots of memories, dual sims is something very attractive, because most people have two phones these days. One for work and one for personal use. Great battery life and not something that weighs a lot. Let see if the market changes and improvements on mid-rangers comes into being. I'm not saying fast chipset and processing is not needed, but will it be seeing sales as before all these US sanctions.
@@pakhoe888 $1.000 phones were never the hot item, $1.000 for a phone has been proven stupid and unnessary many times by Chinese phone manufacturer. I mean what kind of $1.000 phone that doesn't have expandable storage in the form of SD card? Samsung is maybe the only mainstream phone manufacture I know to still includes SD card slot within their flagship phones and who know how long they plan to keep it. And that is just the SD card, there so many things that bug me about flagship phones. While Huawei literally invents a new standard of flash memory card the with 256GB capacity the size of a nano SIM card. Ironically, mid-range phones now inherit features from older flagship phones while flagship phones these day try to strip bare of any feature and just give your the most barebore experience.
Totally agree with you on this in that it is too early to predict the demise of Huawei. Case in point I guess is that Intel is still on 14/10nm and their chips are only getting beaten more regularly by Ryzen in recent iterations. Hopefully Huawei can re-design the tech under free-licencing regimes and bring affordable and quality products to the world. Harmony is interesting in the sense that the denial of access to google may unintentionally create an unified IOT solution to power that new market.
Huawei is just waking you up that you need to decentralized your services and not to become too dependent on only one service providers, example is Google, in fact there are many other good options we haven't heard of, it is better to decentralized and give opportunity to all. Huawei is playing an important role and they can overcome this.
Certainly the outcome of the US presidential election could dramatically change this mess - it started in the main with Trump using actions against Huawei as leverage against the Chinese government for trade negotiations that he hoped to win prior to the election in November.
If Trump begins to think for real that he has no chance in the election he might just use a quick lifting of sanctions as leverage for a post loss windfall - honestly I hope he does, the Democrats would just love to catch him in the act.
But amidst all these hurdles, with some stroke of luck, if Huawei somehow manages to manage all these and survive, they will become much more than their competitors. Remember the quote “necessity is the father of innovation”. If they succeed, they will emerge stronger.
If Huawei can survive under these bans, it will become a Monster Complex in: semiconductor, software, hardware, smartphone, communication equipments ect.
I rlly doubt its possible. But yea life is full of surprises. Will be interesting to see what where Huawei goes in next 5-10 yrs.
As for smartphones, what could they evolve into? 5G is great for IOT stuff, but less of an upgrade over 4G for the average consumer. I mean, sure, we can't predict what the future has to hold for us, but it's just not likely that Huawei will come out with a huge innovation just because they are forced to work independently.
@@mushyomens6885 What USA is doing is already very surprising as it's a country "rules of law". It will be very interesting.
@@xpforevergaming8609 I do not think it will come out with a huge innovation but will be very strong if it can survive under unprecedented pressure.
From the Huawei ban, many more international companies will pay more attention to their own risk management; especially, to decouple dependency on US technologies. It's definitely not a good sign for the US high tech firms in the long term.
Already happened.
Only if these companies are chinese
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@@mikolaz.1865 All companies still wants to do business with China will do the same
I find the US strategy quite questionable. First I don't trust US manufacturers any more than Chinese manufacturers and I guess that this is basically the reason why many countries will not go along with US sanctions regarding network equipment. It might actually encourage them to provide local alternatives for both Chinese and US products in the long run. It would probably have been more productive to enforce more transparency and implement more rigorous regulation to enforce security of network devices instead of just banning Huawei.
It might be difficult for Huawei to replace both Android and domestically produce their hardware, but in both instances they will almost certainly succeed with their gigantic local market, especially considering that Chinese consumers can be quite effectively coerced to prefer Huawei. While evaluating the dependency on Google might do some short term benefit, the price is that this dependency is no longer there in the aftermath and instead a new platform will become a competitor for Google and remove the control Android as a platform provides to the US. It might also push other manufacturers to switch to Huawei's platform and further weaken the US. It's stupid to overlook that sanctions against a country controlling 1.5 billion consumers might not be very sustainable. All Huawei needs is a small armada of translators in order to have a sufficient number of developers for all international markets. No US company has that much scalability.
If Huawei will be allowed at a later time to reenter the US market, they will be much more independent and thus dangerous than they might be now. And of course there will be no regulation that ensures a certain level of trustworthiness.
I believe it would have been much wiser to keep the dependencies alive and use them to impose regulations instead of burning bridges and ignoring the fact that rivers can be crossed by other means.
Tell that to the yellow clown & his entourage. Sad you are way smarter than the us president
Well said and well put
Show me somebody that's not data mining everybody's spying on everybody.so what's the big deal market share and controling the rates.
Harmony OS has already replace Android
No American telecommunication company has direct ties to a Communist Government. However after the AT&T revelations in working with the NSA to spy on Americans, your point is not invalid (per se'). However those were land lines and Internet, not cellular communications if I remember.
The vertical line between huawei and google at 8:09 is not straight and it’s killing me.
A line is always straight, so we should call it as a curve not a line.
S Neerajan lol let’s call it an obnoxiously curved line that was meant to be straight but isn’t.
S Neerajan congratulations! You won!! You’re so educated it makes me emotional 😭
@@Shubhangk It's a spline.
@@Uncover48 Whatever you say mathematically it is the definition.
mathworld.wolfram.com/Line.html#:~:text=A%20line%20is%20a%20straight,wiggles%22%20anywhere%20along%20its%20length.
A curve is an integration of many small lines.
Not doing too well .. it's October 1, 2020 Huawei and SMIC's claims aren't materializing.
When this started SMIC could produce 14nm chips and Huawei needs 7nm to produce it's Kirin processors.
TSMC/Samsung prototyped 5nm in 2003 and went full production (5nm) in 2019. THAT'S 16 YEARS !
(with no stealing of other companies' IP) TSMC will be producing 3nm in 2021.
Keep in mind that the ASML lithography imagers are from the Netherlands. These efforts are JOINT, meaning the various parties TRUST each other and have disclosure agreements to respect IP rights. ASMLs have US technology as part of the components which are patented.
The 3nm effort is like the previous generations, US, S.Korean, Dutch, Taiwanese collaborated to accomplish the product.
@lingsj9 - No Chinese companies and the CCP simply need to stop the espionage and start paying for licensing or engineer and develop their own products. America has given China $Trillions of dollars in technology. And Chinese companies or the CCP have bought likely $trillions more (or $hundreds of Billions anyway). But they have also stolen by now $Tens of Trillions in American and Western Intellectual Property and this has had a very injurious and detrimental toll on these companies who spent massive amounts of time, money, and effort to develop/ innovate/ invent/ engineer these products.
@@Sovereign_Citizen_LEO 'stop the espionage' lol ever heard of the NSA, CIA, etc... America is the largest state-sponsor of spies, lies, and terrorism. They do license their technology, ironically there is evidence that firms like Google don't when they move to poorer countries. Companies like Google and Facebook monopolize the economic sectors and hold hundreds of thousands of jobs which they use to coerce the country. Thankfully, this did not occur in China... America never gives, they only steal... Name one instance of the US giving technology in the past 2 decades... CCP blah, blah, blah, blah, blah; you guys don't have anything to say other than CCP this, CCP that. You guys even do it in your own countries; Democrat this, republican that, etc... First visit China and Shenzhen in particular before making misinformed and illiterate comments such as the above.
Huawei: Strike me down, and I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!
You do realize that Obi Wan turned into a nearly powerless annoying voice for the next two movies.
Exactly. Writing code for Huawei is the new goal.
@@victorluke5816 His voice literally moved Luke to destroy the Death Star - the power to be anywhere, influence anyone isnt something to sniff at.
@@mnomadvfx Luke could have made the shot without the force. Remember the dialogue where he said he was making shots like that all the time back home.
Powerful how? By Faking benchmarks or by spying or by paying more to reviewers. Look at what happened to Android Police for not giving a good review.
With an embargo on Huawei, its now the biggest phone manufacturer in the world
Not really hard when you have a domestic market of 1B+ people
@@MrJairforce also the phone is just way better than other competitor.
nagi springfield how relevant is that when you can’t actually functionally sell it in most other places
Not hard to do when the Chinese government pushes everybody in China to buy Huawei so that they can survive.
@@MrBumbo90 If that is the case, why Apple is still selling millions of iPhone each year in China? Everyone should be using Huawei, if your claim is true.
watching from my nova 7 5g via youtube advance with no ads. LOL
So jealous of you. I bought Nova 5T last year. Too bad, it still have google. Google sucks with all its GMS. My youtube still got ads...
@@wasabilim2763 you can use TH-cam Vanced even on a Google based phone. It's phenomenal. No ads, plus you can use it playing at the background.
@@wasabilim2763 nova 5t user here. I disabled youtube app and used TH-cam Vanced :>
@@wasabilim2763 You can still use it on Googled phones
you forgot their focus on Iran's telecommunication and phone market nowadays they sponsor music videos in Iran
Russia as well
@@shukracharya_ actually all countries that are in trouble with USA
@@mydeas1129
All countries that the US is causing troubles.
@@mydeas1129 US has problems with many countries. We stand problematic initiator. Like accused Iraq of having nuclear, yet none to be found until now but still station their troops there and suddenly many US oil companies are also stationed there? 😂
Also now trump accusing Iran again for nuclear? Reasoning to stations their Oil company, since natural resources in the north american land literally are already squeezed out.
yes I'm in Iran and can confirm they are spending mony for marketing alot but still a significant portion of people prefer Samsung phones in a specific price then Huawei. I personally and some of people I know do not buy Chinese products as much as we can.
The USA is very much aware of Huawei's chip issue. They've repeatedly tried to block sales of chip-making machines by ASML to Chinese chip manufacturers in fear of a Chinese TSMC rising up.
3 years into the future, looks like the US met destiny on the path they chose to avoid it 😂
Is only me, who thinks Chinese companies are being treated badly in the US, only because they are Chinese.
Of course USA cant win to Huawei so they did what they could do best , lie to then ban them
Foreign companies have always been treated unfairly in China. This should of happened sooner because China has had an unfair advantage to the open economy of the world while punishing outside companies in China. Chinese companies like tiktok are able to operate in the US while US social media companies aren't allowed in China. Not fair
@@jonkas8521 USA Does the same. USA and China are not good nor Evil of the story. Both are just trying to monopolize the industry by any mean.
@@gerardoa9179 My point is that China has been banning US companies for years so it should be no surprise that the US finally starts doing the same to Chinese companies. No good vs evil, just fair play.
@@jonkas8521
China Ban: Not allowed to do business in China because of unwilling to abide by the local legislation
US Ban: Not allowed to do business in US + Pressuring other countries to do the same thing + Prohibiting all companies(non-US included) from doing business with it. All because of a vague "potential national security threat", even if the company is following the local legislation.
Maybe there's no good vs evil, but this def doesn't look fair play to me..
countries hard to deny huawei because they give the best price for that kind of services
More like mobile operators want to brag about how they have 5G for as cheap as possible. But yeah, I agree.
The operators probably pick the ones that are the cheapest, and that is Huawei's.
I think Huawei's networking competitors should get this and start being competitive on price.
Well regulation beats competition and that is not necessarily bad. If their network technology is really insecure (abusable), the price does not really matter. The question is only if US gear is any better. I doubt that, not only since Snowden confirmed my previously more conspiratorial doubts.
You know you can install fully working GMS on newest huawei phones unofficially? Here in Russia they can do it right in the store when you buy your phone.
Lol, huawei creates it's own os, search engine n whatever but people still want google, not mentioning u can custom rom also
Just admit it, u just can't beat google, it's part of our life, no one wants that crap harmony os
@@divyeshrickesh4842 Do you really thing their search engine maps and all other shit will really compete with Google. Even yahoo which is the first search engine in the world couldn't manage it. Huawei good at hardware side but for software side Google still remains as the number 1 in the world
@@metinhesenov i know right, I'm suprised why huawei still in phone business, i mean just give up lol, overpriced phones + low quality + no 5g + no google, who the hell wants that
@@divyeshrickesh4842 I mean they are lucky actually, imagine AMD INTEL MICROSOFT and Nvidia supported ended too.....
"If you can't enter their market don't let them enter yours either"
yeah it worked in the favor of huawei becoming a more better company
@ProCandle729 that's not hard
@ProCandle729 without stealing ip? Hmm!
@ProCandle729 Functions & features wise, yes. User experience, no. Coming from an actual Android user, yeah iDevices are often behind in term of hardware but iOS is really just unbeatable.
I dont see that they become a better company. In my local cell market they completely disappeared. Even before, their flagships were not priced competitively relative to Samsung but now it is total collapse. No GMS means not just no appstore but that many apps will not function properly as they rely on GMS interfaces. Mapping/traffic apps, banking apps and most service ordering apps are unavailable in HMS (and will remain unavailable) so their devices became as useful as a feature phone
I'm watching from my honor in the U. S IT didn't effect me at all I have all apps with petal search which replaces Google playstore and works just as good
Honor 30 here~
Matt Bai p40 pro so love
@@zkonet P40 Pro Plus is even better~hahha.
@Federico Giuliano loser
@Federico Giuliano give it time and it will expand
Your analysis and breakup of the topic is sooo good. It's readily understandable and quite logical. Really admire you video content.
Thanks, I'm happy you found it useful!
@@TechAltar thanks, not once. Many many times. I've been watching you for years
@@TechAltar got a sub from me too.
Their phone business basically collapsed recently.
It’s gonna be really interesting to watch this video next year
Exactly Apple and Samsung products are getting too expensive, could be the same for the European Market more people in general switching to Android phones and leaving Apple products behind
@fane babanu damn you said it right
So,This is how a Billion Dollars bullying looks like.
Good I like anyone who bullies authoritarian single party ethnostates.
@@mrb152 bullshit.
Huawei is not China. The CCP probably doesnt take any blows from this, considering the number of Chinese OEMs that dominate the global market.
Huawei was actually a threat to the US with their wireless services, and they were doing a great job with their camera phones. One can easily tell this was a deliberate attack on Huawei's technical advantage.
Just because they philosiphically present themselves as the better government does not mean that the USA isnt authoritarian. I dont like China, but i hate the US even more.
@@arunthebuffoon4554 Huawei is the tech company owned by the Chinese army
So it is China and plays a massive role on expanding Chinese Power into the World
@@arunthebuffoon4554 if you notice no Chinese smartphone company has tried to enter the us since the ban..
@@arunthebuffoon4554 amen brother.
When Huawei get up again, it will be much stronger independent giant, and no one will stand in it's way, actually it is a mistake to play like this with giants.
@@chrisjanashousky1353 based on the speed of their development, I can assure you that Huawei will develop their own chip in a short amount of time. First of all, 80% of employees in Huawei are for R&D. Huawei even own a few huge campus around China for R&D. Secondly, the goverment willing to help Huawei as it's a huge company.
omg...
@@chrisjanashousky1353 too bad you were wrong. They’ve been alive and trying to overtake
If you can't beat them, ban them.
Or even copy them Just like china does.
I hope Huawei help expand and innervate RICS-V Chips because ARMS chip is more likly to be dead in the future.
Matthew Cheng you have it wrong mate, arm is the future x86 is a drag by MS
What are you talking about? ARM is on its peak.
年初看了riscV的文档，很有潜力。谁现在还抱着arm不放，要么傻，要么坏。
@S V I think they are at least preparing for it, you would never know what US is going to do next.
@@pasci_lei which something reaches the peak, it means it will go down soon
what America is doing, doesn't that go against capitalism?
China has concentration camps. Check out what they are doing to Uyghur muslims, Falun Gong, and Tibet. They are basically Nazi Germany 2.0. Capitalism without a conscience isn't worth defending.
@@stevenwilson5556 i mean we killed hundreds of thousands in Iraq and Afghanistan, including woman and children, but nobody dare to question us since we wield our military might like a hammer.
They're going against their free market principles.
@@ihatecabbage7270 atleast us is doing it openly while china is doing it secretly on its own people
@@ken6087 how can it be secret if you guys 'know' huh lol
I Just found this channel and am in complete awe of the quality and aesthetics of your videos. So mesmerizing, I'm binge-watching them rn
It's so sad.. The 2nd best smartphone maker in the world (after apple) could fall victim to the usa imperialism..
Bro China doesn't allow Russian apps in China while Russian allow Chinese apps do you want your country to have trade deficit. China was also demanding Vladivostok from Russia.It has already taken 60% of Tajikistan former USSR territory. You are betraying your country.
@@wololocute what are you talking about? I'm not russian.
Huawei can survive despite the unfair treatment and sure App Gallery is now the world's 3rd largest app store. And do you really think those companies will not do anything to help huawei.
Wtf huaweis app gallery bro check ur knowledge again।😂😂
@@oxsourabh Here are some facts for you in 2019 Huawei has 19% Market Share in Mobile Industry. At the same Huawei App Gallery has 81k+ users and 1.1B monthly active users. So if that is not big enough for you. It's up to you.
That’s partially because there is no google in China, and there is A LOT of android devices there.
@@redboxdigitalsolutions2385 its Because google banned Huawei from using their services in recently launched phones so the new users of Huawei have only alternative as Huawei app gallery. Second Thing Security Is for Sure a bigger thing than an App gallery i dont trust Huawei neither should you do. I know American and other companies too do data stealing but not as much as Huawei is doing
@@redboxdigitalsolutions2385 i guess you know Chinese Policies. government can ask for data from them anytime do you think its safe? Atleast Think Of Hong Kong
I watching this video uses my mate10 pro,after two years, it is run quickly like a new phone😂😂
same here, Huawei phones are the only ones that don't start lagging with time and i love it
I want to buy a p30 pro for my wife, but she is happy with her mate 10 pro for now.
Same here.... My mate 10 pro is 3yo and still smashes a lot of new phones in speed and camera performance, and a good battery life
Huawei mate 10 phones is still in Best condition since 2017. Some Older Huawei phones have Google services. But newer Huawei phones don't have Google service. (Btw I'm using Huawei Mate 10 Pro XD).
Imagine the day Huawei actually overcome those three challenges, that would be like mission impossible for technology industry
AMD caught up to Intel and Apple supposed both, no one thought any of that was possible just 5-7 years ago.
Chinese says once they get their chip market up and going, they will fload the world with it and kill the US businesses. LOL.
@@deleqtronica8733 But AMD had access to Western tech and TSMC chips. US didn't ban them, not even China. That's what set apart AMD to Huawei, so they don't need to worry about building the most complicated tech that takes decades to perfect, but how they can use those tech to build a composite of it, aka a chipset.
About that…keep waiting.
I used to work for an employee owned corporation, SAIC, Science Applications International Corporation. It was great and we had a huge advantage for winning contracts. In any government procurement, there might be 5 bidders, three of the bidders were SAIC. We won a lot of contracts. Each faction in the corporation had its own bid, and the best of the three would win the contract, that arm of the corporation had the other two arms to staff from for employees that were already up to speed on the issues of the contract. The corporation won the contract and the government got a great delivered product usually way better than the government wanted. Most of my retirement was earned during the decade+ I worked for them. By the way, the US Government broke them up to make sure that SAIC went old school corporate. It is no longer employee owned. That is American Exceptionalism for you. It took the built-in entrepreneurial spirit out of the company. Now they are money grubbing capitalists all over again.
somehow I will always root for them for being bullied
Me too, I’m rooting for companies who are bullied to transfer their technology in China.
@@Troynjk me too I support China hahaha
After watching the Friday Checkout for so many days and the "TA" logo being on the right, I actually felt weird for a couple of seconds...
Gr8 video tho...loved it!!!
Worth to say the main equipment suppliers for TSMC, Intel and Samsung to manufacture their chips are mainly American companies such as applied materials and lab research also software tool vendors are also American thats why USA was able to put pressure on TSMC to ban Huawei
using American Tech or licence or patent
I wonder how on earth you don't have more subscribers , I've watched every single video and it helped me have an insight on multiple matters that might not be visible to the average consumer , love your content man .. keep going and keep these wonderful videos coming👏🏼
And one year after this video was made Germany is removing's Huawei hardware for its networks.. And this seems to be spreading to the rest of Europe as well.
People never know Ericsson and Nokia also has business with Iran.
Some knows. They just turn a blind eye because it's not considered a bad company from a bad country... double standard like always
Mistakes vs propganda.
The whole Iran sanctions are a false propaganda. They are all together on the inside.
I still have my Huawei phone (Huawei Nova 5T). And yes, I still have GMS.
Try the latest model
@@leolau5026 I have, and I don't like it much. Not having GMS is a deal breaker for me.
No one cares...
It's a lame old phone.
@@Nickel_T it's not lame, you're probably lame. It's better than a phone with the 765G, and can still hold up to modern flagships.
@@koton_bads Yep, keep telling yourself that XD
When the banned got authorized, their companies will extended the updates based on App Gallery and will stand on their own systems, the Harmony OS that began on the first year in 2021.
I have the P40 Pro and in my opinion not having Google play store is actually good, I can access Gmail and TH-cam on the browsers available and the apps I need can be downloaded from apk or from the App Gallery plus less notifications every time I get an email when I can check daily
Trump: "Free International Market my ass..."
Huawei need to release "Explorer Edition" for their phone. Where power user can install custom OS like LineageOS
Or just release stuff for cheaper. I mean you can't charge people 1000€+ for the P40 Pro when even the most basic Apps don't work.
Yeah smart idea
Power users are such a small group that nobody will bother.
That could happen if Huawei phones had an unlocked bootloader, but they don't
The main reason i never consider Huawei is because of locked bootloader, I go with Xiaomi instead. But they do have competitive devices. It's like I have a pity for them because of many bans but then Huawei won't give freedom to user neither.
This really makes me sad. I loved my Mate 10pro. It aged fantastically well, compared to my previous Samsung phones. I was certain to keep buying Huawei phones in the future, but I really too much on Google services. No more Huawei products ☹️
There are ways to get some Google services with a browser for example 🤓 but they're just not as good 😐 maby one day we won't need them
Watching this on my Huawei mate 10 pro
In My Nova 5T 😍
Damn i miss my stolen mate 10 pro 😂😂 must be too good that it got stolen...
Mate 20 pro
Watch in my p20, mate 20x and nova 5T (last with gms)
I have the P40 Pro, had Huawei products for about 5 years now best decision ever
I will be truly surprised if Huawei have not started to look for alternatives to ARM, like RISC-V - an open source architecture (well its actually an ISA, if you wanna get technical) that has started to receive some love from manufacturers over the last couple of years. Its still really new, and no one really knows if it will succeed, but it did force ARM to start a smear campaign against it (that failed miserably, because it was seen as "The big bad corporation attacking a small open source project" and it was that) and after that ARM changed the way it licences cores, on order to better compete with RISC-V (which is free).
They are doomed outside china
@Rahulkumar Budhwani Interesting i did not know that. Smart move in my opinion.
@@coolissimo69 Maybe, maybe not. Maybe they will re-brand, or split in to smaller companies and survive that way. Who knows. Only time will tell.
Nobody can stop evolution, open-source or science.
The entire world is going open-source free from political shenanigans; focusing only on technology and business based on merit.
List of open-source multinationals
Microsoft, IBM (PowerPC & Redhat), MIPS and RISC-V to name a few.
The latter 3 are open-source hardware on top of software and firmware.
11nm semiconductor geometries are down pat for anyone to fabricate in foundries today.
5G hardware doesn't require 3nm in the tower cells or networks, nor anything that is plugged into AC power lines.
Only mobile battery powered wireless devices. Which is a relatively small market in contrast to telecommunications infrastructure projects.
In no time China will master the industrialization of 7nm and smaller geometries with no need from any of the US dominated companies. And the western hemisphere will be left out of 5G and forthcoming 6G chipsets.
Let's do the math, all this technology is to better the lives of the people.
The old imperialist colonialism of western anglosphere hemisphere combined is less than 1.1 billion people, versus a multicultural world composed of 7.8+ billion people.
If China could in the last 3 years pour more concrete by 140% than in the last hundred years for the USA, what makes anyone think mere foundries will be an issue?
The writing is on the wall.
"The only constant is change."
~ Confucius
Confronting all the US bans in the past and present, China manages to develop Nuclear weapons, Space exploration and soon a Space Station, and the Beidou navigation system.
When China was prohibited to join the International Space Station mainly by the US, they develope their own and will be in operation in 2022. They are inviting international scientists to participate in some projects and not hard to guess, which country is not on the invitation list. When GPS suddenly shut down the navigation system to a China vessel in Middle East, China decided to develop her own navigation system Beidou and is now in full operation. The harder you hit China, the harder China will rebound . The American should be careful what they ask for!!
Great business analysis Marten; I've been following your Story Behind Series for years (on my personal account), and love the depth and detail you go into. I also think that Tech Altar is uniquely positioned, in terms of the content you deliver, versus other regular gadget and tech review. Continue the great work. Cheers!
I am most curious to see if they succeed at bringing together the chip and software pieces together for a full vertical integration. I wouldn’t say it is a battle that Huawei will take. I think China will. And the US ban gave them the political justification to go all in in that battle. I think there is a big risk that within 20 years, the current leaders will suffer to survive, and the power of China will increase at the expense of pretty much the rest of the world. Keeping them dependant would have probably been a safer route on the long term, IMHO
I have a very bad feeling that Huawei will succeed. I really hate it
But huawei was already developing their stores and other components to build an ecosystem eventhough at a much slower pace. I also believe that they had plans to set up their own manufacturing units especially given that it's a native Chinese company. Being self reliant I guess was always in their to-do list from the beginning. It was like a now or never strategy.
Completely agree!
Your fear is right. I'm Chinese, and I know the situation clearly. The Huawei ban is just a flashpoint, the Chinese government will invest a lot of money into high tech industry even though there's no ban. For a developing country that wants to be a developed country, being the world factory is not enough. The development paths of South Korea, Taiwan, and Isreal are now be seen as the principles by the Chinese government. China wants to be the next US, from its government to its people.
@@bd8594 I hope that China does not really want to be the next US. I also hope that China can develop without the atrocities. But other than that, God speed! ;-)
this also signal that other companies have to be careful with Google and other companies under US
Considering they've already developed 6G tech and as of today, launching satellites with 6G on it for R&D, I doubt Huawei would break.
China has a knack for becoming self-sufficient, I mean, they're even building their own space station.
You mean Huawei "wouldn't" break ?
The U.S doesn't have allies just brown nosing lapdogs. 😂
@lingsj9 This chip ban gives the world an enormous incentive to circumvent the US.
The second largest chip fabricator to TSMC is Samsung and they are already making moves to remove all American hardware and software from their production line.
Samsung is also currently working with Huawei on formulating a partnership that if followed through will render U.S bans and sanctions against Huawei useless.
Tech companies all over the world cannot afford to lose Chinese market share and depending on the U.S has now become very high risk.
@lingsj9 correct, Richard Yu did announce Huawei's Mate 40 was the last to use the Kirin chip however we cannot assume this means it is Huawei's last phone.
Samsung and Huawei working together is indeed a real possibility.
China is the world's largest purchaser of semiconductors.
This in itself will play an important role in how chip makers choose to manufacture their chips.
The major problem with the ban is it is politically motivated. Economically it is nonsensical.
The end result of which may not work out well for the U.S
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100% true..
These lad whatever are the same pple.
I'm using a Huawei P40 pro in UK and I absolutely love my phone. Yes there's a few things extra you have to do to get everything you had but it is possible quite easily.
My advice to them would be to invest in Rockstar games and bring something like GTA5 to their app store. Decent games not available on other device's could do it. 💯👌
You should make an update video on this topic.
I'm thinking of buying a new Hwawei Tablet, from now all my devices are gonna be Hwawei, that'll be my part on supporting Hwawei
I will do the same.
I am using huwei mate 20 x . Very very good plus reasonable price. Big screen. Sound is perfect while using head phone
i already brought the Huawei P40 Pro
Now that Trump I gone, is there any chance of US changing it's decisions?
It’s still the same government, so no
I understand no google services will make google related apps to not work on Huawei phones, but there should be already many people that are successful to make the apps work already.
I work with surveillance cameras & other security devices. The Huawei & HiSilicon bans have benefited us greatly, since we design & manufacture our own chips.
Same happening to my country sudan. We had sanctions from USA for years regarding US 🇺🇸 products. Now the sanctions has been lifted. Some products now available and some not. Even during the sanction same was happening.
I'm pretty sure that was terrorism related. It's not surprising that a country with a recent history of wars and terrorist elements would have sanctions imposed. I'm not going to get into whether it was fair or not, because I don't know enough to judge these things
@@franklingoodwin the old system resposible for this has gone now. some products still banned for no reason but the power and arogance of the leadership in the USA.
@@hazcotube I'm in the US and use Huawei, no issues here. I run Google and everything.
@@aaronshoyt old products won't be affected as I know but newer will.
@@hazcotube the US wanted concessions from Sudan for harbouring Bin Laden, sponsoring world leader assassinations, and genocide in Darfur.
As an Egyptian in proud my country has been lobbying the US to lift these sanctions on our Sudanese brothers 🇪🇬🇸🇩
Congrats on your revolution, ta7ya Sudan!
All I can see US companies losing market shares and innovation momentum day by day.... so sad too bad
Yes, it did work really, i just abandond my iPhone XR and buy a Huawei P40 pro, it's amazing!
I used a honor phone for about a year but I hated EMUI's limitations when compared to MIUI, so I ditched the phone in favor of my old Xiaomi phone.
HUAWEI is known for making premium product. HUAWEI will come back stronger.
Yeah Huawei is failing bro. Check out the Friday checkout's last video.
@@reevanamin5865 i agree...huawei would be out cell phone business soon due to chip shortage
Best phone I ever had was Huawei. Unbelievable product for the price. 😎
One advantage of HMS might be you could download apps from other countries, I travel a lot and often I'll try to download a local app and Google will say my country does not support this and you can only change your country once a year. Other then Google Maps I dont use other services and for Gmail I can just log on through a web page..... So would I miss it... I don't knkw
It happens indeed. App Gallery has maps, and Huawei comes with a mail app and you can find the outlook app in AppGallery, you can log to your Gmail account on both. And Petal search allows you to download any app
Thank you for exposing US isnt as gentleman as open /free as they promote ... :)
Yes, we need Chinese free market. “Technology transfer or else you’re not allowed to do business here.”
@@Troynjk hahaha free market when sanctions and blacklisting are used to the max destroying competitions and widen advantage? hahaha get off
@@jfwong6306 yes, just like CCP is doing -First companies build their facilities in China,
-then we bully them to transfer the technology
-next we open the exact same facility under a Chinese name
-after we subsidize our company and create problems for their companies
-in the end we kick them out from our market
Beautiful free market, free of competition.
@@Troynjk What rubbish u talking? Go read some history ... btw China never beg US investing into China ... it was the other way round .... Since WW1 the world has limited technology transfer to China ... Stop acting smart, read more history before throwing me ur argument
@@jfwong6306 yes they don’t beg they just send their students to study/spy/steal in western countries. I wonder why, since China is so glorious and they supposedly have all the technologies and know how.
Trump & his clowns kept on underestimating how tough the Chinese are!
Chinese are survivors, nothing stop them!
7:49 How does Apple manage to grow sales in China? Aren't their phones the most expensive ones by far?
Actually, Samsungs are close with the foldable and the S20 Ultra
rich people in china
There's plenty of money in first and second tier cities China. In first tier cities it's mostly Apple and Huawei high end models (mate and p series) that you see the middle class using
iphone 10R and iphone 11 manage to compete i think
In fact, the price of Apple products dropped in China since the US-China trade war. iPhone in China is basically identical priced to California now.
How the Huawei ban works. Not "Did the Huawei ban work"
Or huawei could give up on the international mobile market
Not sure on that will work or not beacouse International is very important if they only relly on its own country and where there is Samsung its going to kill it self
Why would they? Price is a strong argument in consumer products. As of now they can keep up with Samsung and Apple will have a hard time to stay in this market without substantial innovations that we didn't see in the last decade. If they can create a good alternative to Android (I am sure they will), especially one that allows Android apps to run on it, they should be fine and actually be able to provide a better service than on their Android adaptations (same argument as for Apple ecosystem). They have 1.5 billion consumers and the Chinese government to support their development.
It's a CCP goal to get a handset in as many hands as possible. There's a reason why.
The thing is International in your cases only US, UK, Australia and New Zealand.. plus India I guess.
I believe SEA countries, middle East, and Africa (at least east Africa) still prefer to Huawei than Apple.
Then we consumers will lose
It didn't work cause I'm using the P40 Pro and I'm still on TH-cam through the browser 😂😂
In the future, want to use advanced technology? Learn Chinese!
@lingsj9 Learn both, Simplified gives you edge to catching up faster and more streamline.
@lingsj9 aluminium
@lingsj9 Lol it's like saying "learn British English, not American English", you must be from Taiwan/HongKong
As a chinese, I want to say that simplified chinese is already enough. Traditional chinese are very hard.
Watching this on Huawei nova 7i
To use the capacity of a country onto a company, this makes people to sees the truth pukes...🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
9:58 is the most German thing I've seen in a while.
USA vs Huawei, how ridiculous is that!!
China vs Google, YTB, FB, Whatsapp,twitter, ins, and so on and on. how ridiculous is that?
@@bheegibheegi1276 Come on dude! These apps never come to China, so no vs dude😂
I'm watching this on a Huawei. China should ban Apple to retaliate.
China won't do that dirty ban like US is doing. Instead China will keep its open policy and beat US even with more and more bans coming.
@@cncloud123 Good comment, I think you're right.
China wont do that as Apple products are made in China and have Chinese spy chips pre-installed.
@@dgk42 This is just a Conspiracy Theory. China is not US doing the dirty jobs as revealed by Snowden.
As a Chinese I insist free trade and openness will win protectionism, because my country was ruined due to protectionism back to 19th century, period
From no. 2 to number 4 . From 25% to 10% market share, the ban definitely worked. What makes this sad is the fact that people are okay with it.
Why do I feel like US is so petty 😅
watching this on my Huawei device Nova 7 5G ❤️, I love huawei ❤️❤️❤️
It’s historically always a poor bet to bet against the Chinese
just like how sri lanka lost their ports for 99 years to china yea right
did China pay money for this?
My opinion: you are wrong.
1. Huawei never plans to replace the Android Os. Instead they are developing microkernel OS which is much more than the Android OS.
2. TSCM ban will not influence Huaweis networking business I have no idea how you managed to say that? Based on what? Their antennas are unprecidented, they stockpiled chips for all the contracts and SMIC can deliver such chips as well as Cambricon.
3. They will never lose the "critical mass" and they already have the eco system in China anyway. No one ever said their eco system has to be built from bottom up only with outside customers. Their development does not depend on the foreign market what so ever. All the Chinese developers will be easily tempted to have their apps launched globally. You can argue about the adoption of their eco system and speed of adoption but not the actual existance of it. Chinese government ensured it will exist.
4. IoT will not require flag ship devices and much more important will be connecting the devices rather than having a cool graphics card on your smartphone. Traditional chips in your smartphone are useless. Getting the data, connecting everything into a cloud and having domestic A.I. chips is what will drive the changes to come. Let's face it, cool graphics on a game on your phone are a fancy thing but nothing significant for the future of the IoT, 5G, new types of OS like Harmony Os they already launched and interconnected reality. You fail to see that and future will show you wrong. We might come back to this comment after 10 years when Huawei has the 5G and SMIC produces dometic chips and you will see I was right.
Thnaks for making quality content, free for us!
i stupidly bought one, after pulling my hair and trying get this and that working , i realized i am spending hours on work arounds that mostly dont work.
i got my old phone out and the frustration melted away, i plan to give this phone to an enemy knowing that they will spend so much time only to discover whatsapp will never work properly, no google maps mean no uber, or eats, no this no that.
save your self, get a normal phone, it is not worth the ongoing frustration and the limitaTIONS ARE SEVEAR
It worked! I’m a proud Huawei phone owner now. 😁😁😁
I really hate the way the USA government is behaving towards Huawei. It's so petty political. But I have never owned a Huawei phone. I do own a Xiaomi phone. I wonder what company the USA will decide to "punish" next.
Well there is a problem. China might very well already or in the future abuse their technological and economical quasi-monopoly for nefarious reasons. The problem with US behaviour is that they don't fix this problem and are very likely to just create a bigger problem instead.
@@michaelutech4786 The USA is already abusing its technological economic quasi-monopoly and one example of it is their negative-listing of Huawei and restricting Google/Alphabet from supplying Android services to Huawei phones. Another is the USA's pressure on Taiwanese and European companies to do similar things to Huawei.
@@philipwest4553 Totally agree, but the US is just one of the dirty players. It's not like China is any better. Well they are smarter.
@@philipwest4553 yes a totalitarian ethnostate is just as bad as one of the world's largest democracies. Dumb.
@@michaelutech4786 Maybe, but I like Chinese made phones and a good Huawei would be nice at the right price.:)
Will come back to watch this a year or so later.
Not quite, I actually switched to Huawei, and am rather satisfied with my choice.
Never been this early to any vid before, keep em quality content coming! The CCP is adding heaps to Huawei's problems because of their maritime disputes affecting southeast asian countries.
I wonder why the Philippine market still supports the brand outside of its competitive prices and Pres Duterte's obvious support to CCP's leader.
That backblaze deal seems very cool tbf
The ccp is of major concern, yes but the bans also seem arbitrary and IMHO seems to be done to keep American players dominant, nothing on either side is proveable, Huawei could have ended up being required to leak data to the CCP, but we will never know, and the us COULD be doing it out of genuine concern, but once again they ain't saying so we will never know, now flip it, Intel amd Microsoft, apple and nivida can also make backdoors for the us, we have a record of trying to pass such laws, now should other countries ban our products? No matters what side you take it's hypocrisy, either you Ban every foreign tech product from entering your country and by extension also have every domestic tech product banned as well or you leave everything alone until you have proof, anything between the two is kinda hard to make ideologically consistent
@asdf you are basically reiterating my point
@asdf it's a matter of market competition and consumer demand. Countries want to be selling american phones still because their economies earn through taxes/tariffs/logistics, removing those systems will cost some people their jobs. As for third world countries like the Philippines, Chinese brands like huawei, oppo, xiaomi are very accessible to the people and security is not one of their main concerns (only the availability is enough sometimes). I clearly can't speak on behalf of all countries, and I particularly don't side with big american corporations. However, the point is it is not limited to political reasons. As long as other brands are present to compete, it will be better for us consumers.
@@jaykoerner good points you made there. Labor and exporting/importing taxes may have played a big role too since china-us trades were not going well the past few years so there's that.
@CF. Zhang how am I being biased when the ccp is clearly out to get everyone based on reliable news sources. Before you call me stupid, take a look at what they have done to HK and its people. If that is not maddening to you, then you clearly don't have a conscience there.