Perceived Value “On My Mind”
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ส.ค. 2024
- This is a discussion video where I am talking about the way we perceive value in knives, and the hidden merit that is often overlooked. The valuations that are not tangible, and unless you use your knife extensively, or use a warranty or such, would never even be revealed.
This is what i try to explain. Thank you for putting it in a video. I hope people do understand.
Completely agree. Value is in the eye of the beholder.
Awesome video brother!! Agree with everything you said! Glad you did this! 👊🍻🍻
Such an excellent vid man! I agree 100% with what you say here! Cheers from Italy 👊🖐🙂!
Thanks a lot! Cheers!👊👊🤙
Another handle material that isn't understood is FRN. Excellent vid!
Absolutely 💯 I should have mentioned that... thank you!👊
That Kase is The masterpiece🙏 Vancron at 67hrc is a monster.. I have a vancron knife at home, unfortunately it's "only" 62hrc and also pretty thick cause maker was exhausted of grinding it so he stopped at 5mm thick.. I would pay 500-700 for that Kase any day twice on Sunday.. btw.. Marry Christmas Kenny and all fans of channel 🎄🙏
It absolutely is👍 this thing is a monster, and ground the way it is, it’s also a laser beam lol. Roman would probably regrind that thing for you😉 It’s every bit worth the money, and you should definitely hit him up. Merry h to you too buddy!!👊👊🍻
@@inthepocket7405 The guy who did it messed up not only grind but HT is also very amateurish... I might as well order a knife from Roman.. I'm big fan of his work and it's real dream to one day get such knife...
great clip ! thanks !
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it:)
Great video and point
Thanks Jay.
Well said man totally agree 👍
Thanks brother👊
Well said. I think part of the problem, is everyone uses their knives differently..some people buy knives more as pocket jewelry, which is fine if that's what you're in to, but if you work in the trades and use your knives hard, then the value for that user changes in ways the pocket jewelry guy just will never understand. Intended use behind the design is something many users just don't get I think. You can make a car that looks like a Ferrari, but does that mean it's worth the money you pay for a Ferrari? You won't know until you get behind the wheel and drive it, feel how it corners, how it accelerates, and how it hugs the road. That car is amazing for it's intended use, but if all you do is take the kids to soccer practice and run to the grocery store, you will never understand why somebody would pay 250 grand or more for it.
Absolutely Tim! You nailed it 💯 In the kitchen cutlery world, this is a given... I don’t know why people miss that in the edc world
@@inthepocket7405 Thanks Kenny. I sub to a ton of channels, but yours is in the top tier, precisely because of videos like this. You have a way of explaining things and talking about issues hat just puts you in a different tier. You make me think, or rethink the way I look at my knives brother.
Much respect, and I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas.
The pain starts at the point of diminishing return. Some will pay the larger cost increments compounded by smaller improvement steps. The unknown is the cost of failure, and some of us seek to minimize the odds of coming up short.
That’s what my videos are all about. I’m trying to help people not make those mistakes. I’m just tired of people trying to tell me a knife’s not worth it, a lot of times when they’ve never even handled or used one. That’s what this is all about.
Great video and I agree with everything you said. The one point of contention I have is when you mentioned Spyderco Sprint runs. They may go for “200-300” on the secondary market(and that’s a different story), but Spyderco only marks them up a little bit over standard models. Given that they’re using upgraded blade steel (sometimes rare, or expensive, or unique steel), and they have to take the time to learn the best ways to forge it, heat treat it, sharpen it, import it, etc- me personally, I think it’s definitely worth that extra $10, $20, $30 premium.
Spyderco is the only knife company giving us opportunities to try all these steels on a regular basis. It’s really commendable.
Some may not see the “value” in it, and that’s cool. But as a knife steel nerd, I definitely do.
Totally agree. Extra 20 bucks for better steel and hrc, is worth it to me. But I wont buy them on secondary.
Thanks man. I think you may have misinterpreted what I was saying. The extra money for the sprint from Spyderco is worth it... i was just referring to the aftermarket gouging
@@inthepocket7405That is what you said or at least what I heard.
Most budget knives aren't worth the money, it is why we tend to upgrade in this hobby lol....great content bro👊🏼👊🏼🍻🍻
There is a lot of them that aren’t, that’s for sure. Thanks buddy 👊👊🍻
I agree with a lot of what you are saying. But remember, value really changes from person to person. I have knives ranging from $10 to $1000. I have held a few CRK. I don't like them. I like the way they look, i understand that they cut very well and have great fit and finish. But the value wasn't there for me as it didn't suit me. I "could" find a knife with a slightly less slicey blade and a worse warranty in a better proven steel. It would most likely be cheaper too. But the knife has to suit the owner. There are lot of fools who think that some handle materials are not value as well, but many just don't like the feel. G10 can be quite uncomfortable in hand and aluminium can feel to light and put off balance. Titanium generally feels good in hand most of the time, which is another reason why i think it's popular.
Kenny absolutely awesome video!! Really great explanation of perceived value!! Imho I think people have an idea of a price for a knife and if it doesn’t live up to their own standards they aren’t satisfied with said knife!! Like you said people can have an opinion on a knife without even holding or using it!! I would much prefer having an amazing performer with the proper ht and bte thickness then fancy handles!! Anyway sorry for the rant. Happy holidays and a healthy New Year!! Thanks as always for sharing brother!!👊👊👊
Thanks so much brother. Yeah, I know you know😉 Never have to be sorry my friend:) You too!!
Dude I got a manual Socome Elite for Father’s Day this year... I can’t keep it out of my main pocket.
I finally took it apart to give it a thorough cleaning last week, and DAMN!! Most certainly worth $300.
Microtech could sell this knife (in aluminum) for $350 and they would probably sell just as many as they do now. It’s actually an incredible value!! The engineering on this knife is second to none.
I had a ZT 0393, and I sold it because I didn’t feel like it was worth what I paid for it (~$170 after they discontinued it!). I did get a bit more than I paid for it, sold it for ~$185, and that just goes to show that value is incredibly subjective.
Awesome Michael! That is great to hear!
It is 💯 worth the money, but it took you it, and even disassembling, to see the value. Sometimes at least...
It absolutely is subjective. If you look at Timbo’s comment... a soccer mom is never going to understand or appreciate the benefits of a Ferrari.
Richard Davis I’m not familiar with BHQ’s payout program. What is that?
Awesome vid! As a noob I really appreciate you highlighting the importance of build quality and use application in determining value. Can u list the models for the various knives you mentioned by Emerson, Hinderer, Roman etc.?
Thanks a lot! The models I have in this are Emerson CQC-7BW, Hinderer Xm18 3.5”, and Hinderer Firetac. Roman is Kase Knives (Kknives_switzerland on IG and YT), and the model is the Shard.
Hey kenny. To me the value is whatever its worth to the individual. If i like a knife and there is a specific reason as why, thats the value to me. If i buy a blade that may be over priced to some but i dont mind spending the cash, then thats on me. 👍. Happy holidays. GreAt. Vid
Absolutely, and that’s a great way to look at it. This is such a personal hobby, and it hard to say what something is worth to someone else. That’s just crazy... thanks bud, you too.
Yeah, I’m very guilty of that. I won’t buy a crkt with 8crmov, but I’ve got my shirogorovs, Chris reeve, whatever, and yet, I rarely do a lot, if any, real cutting. Maybe opening a package, cutting a cat food bag open. For the most part, they ride in the pocket, get flicked open and closed, then put back in my pocket. If it’s anything less than s30v, forget about it. Ive got that Hangup. But I love them, and collecting them. I’ve been really looking to get a hinderer, and after hearing your take on them, I think I’ll have to get one, tri way with bearings, of course. Lol! And yeah, don’t sweat it, it came across the right way. I was kinda laughing because ya pretty much described me. Good video.
michael meissner And there’s nothing wrong with that man... it’s your prerogative. If you like that, because it’s how you get joy from your knives, who’s to tell you what okay for you. It’s just the guys that try to tell me something’s not worth it, or tells the community it’s not worth it... We’ll, that depends on the application hahaha I know you know this, and I do t need to reiterate hahaha I think the self realization is the most important part, and respecting approach and preference, also, realizing not every channel is for everyone. (I’m not at all implying anything) People come on my channel and bash me for the length of my videos, but there’s a lot of guys that come here for the depth of my reviews. Again, it all comes down to preference, and I need to be me, and make videos for the guys looking for that👍
Your exactly right. Nothing wrong with pointing any of it out. It makes your channel well rounded, both in technical aspects, and aesthetics. Lol! The knife community is very complex, with complex personalities. Again, keep up the good work.
I feel like I am one voice in a large group of EDC knife users. I am a guy that likes high quality for a "budget" price but that's without saying that I own knives that range from $200 to $400. Budget and value is subjective to ones bank account and an opinion. All my knives are users and I hate the idea of carrying a tool I am afraid to abuse. I go beyond opening mail or cutting paper and cardboard. I cut fiber optic cables, strip wires, cut wood, and what ever else. I do have a small collection of safe queen knives but that collection is small. For example, Limited addition Buck knives, a few vintage slip joints, a couple hand made custom fixed blades. I work with some guys who see me using a $120 spyderco and tell me its not worth it when they pull out their $30 truck stop knife. I am good with it, and I will use them too.
My point is, value is an opinion based on person preferences. I personally don't care what others see or don't see value in. I like my Bark River fixed blade knives and many people thank they are over priced. Thats fine with me because your opinion matters, thats why the knife world has a huge selection to choose from.
Bark River knives are so frigging awesome! I agree with everything you said..just as beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, so is value. What I consider to be a great value may be over priced junk to another, and vice versa.
Absolutely 💯 You said it bro... I agree with everything. I don’t treat my Sebenza any different than I treat my Para 3 or something. It’s my tool, made to be used, and that’s how I get joy from it.
Nailing it down... it’s all so personal, and no one can tell you what your knife is worth to you.
I think some people think it’s not worth it because they might not have an income that where they can buy a $500 knife. If their income is $2,000 a month, that knife would be 1/4 of their paycheck for the month. It’s hard to say,” this knife is worth 1/4 of my paycheck.” However overall I really like this video. I definitely hate the trolls who go on TH-cam and complain about knife prices.
I can totally understand that man, and I don’t make good money these days personally. I used to, but changed jobs about 4 years ago to make less money, but try and have a a bit more substance. I would rather buy a knife every four months, and get the quality you do in a crk or such, then have 4 knives of lesser quality, but that’s just my prerogative. I would rather have quality over quantity, personally. Absolutely, and there are so many... it makes guys like me want to quit at least once a month lol
InThePocket I agree. Quality is more important than quantity
Nice
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I have always wondered why more companies don’t use aluminum handles.
Personally I don’t like drilling through 1” thick aluminum because it sticks in the drill bit. But I don’t personally perceive that my Microtech or Mordax in Aluminum is less of a knife than my Drop Keen.
So I wonder if raw materials of titanium and aluminum are similar in price to buy buy the perceived value to the customer allows them to charge more for a knife with a titanium handle?
Great topic!
It’s a lot of in and out😉 Aluminum is a lot easier to deal with than titanium though. Probably a lot due to the public opinion of it. I think both are great...
Titanium is a stronger material, and it is more expensive to buy and process for the company. It definitely warrants a price increase, but to what extent I couldn’t speak of. As a quality material though, it depends on the application and execution.
The Socom and Mordax are ever hit as solid as a Keen, if not more so. Taking apart a a Socom is the best way to appreciate the build.
Thanks buddy:)
@@inthepocket7405 People just think that aluminum is less expensive than titanium and that Aluminum also wears in an ugly way, or scratches easier. Though today i think companies are using pretty good coatings on the more premium models and its probably not so common these days. Still, the cheap aluminum knives from gas stations are probably why people perceive Ti and CF as costing more. CF is nice and its not that pricey but it does wear on tooling just like Ti does. Im guessing Aluminum isnt that hard on tooling as the other two?
honestly id pay a bit more for ti or cf over aluminum. but if the knife is done well and reasonably priced in aluminum, its not a deal breaker. would be better if they knew how to market aluminum better and more often. might change that point of view to the wider scape of normal peoples. it also doesnt help that many knife channels that keep saying the same things about materials. its all a Bill of materials to some people. m390, ti, bearings, flipper, drop shut, gem lol.
Tactical Center you nailed it 💯
Titanium is most definitely more costly to machine, and definitely worth a significant up charge in most cases.
Like you know I meant, it’s really just the application. I wouldn’t want a titanium flipper going into the woods, personally. I’d have a fixed blade, and something like a military.
Ok, I agree with ya on pretty much everything you stated. The spine wack test, makes no sense to me however. I do not use my knifes where this test makes any sense. I grip my knife with my right hand and I slice a material down and away from my body. If I am doing anything serious I pull out a fixed blade. I am guilty of passing on aluminum knifes prior to my 2 Socoms, because I did not want scratched up handles. 14 months old Socoms and nary a mark on them.
What are you talking about here man? I’m not worried about spine whack tests? I agree
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Dude, all I’m saying is the build quality isn’t even comparable, and I was being facetious, somewhat referring to the spine whacking fiasco of a few years ago. It was mostly a joke... I don’t even think about it, but it’s in a lot of people’s heads.
I agree with you. I like to use my knives. Flipping knives are fidget toys "boys will pay for there toys". Seamount Knives Works Phil Wilson makes thin slicing blades is very good at heat treating. Like Kurt said those knives are worth the money if the person is going to use them the way they where designed to be used. The person that is going to say it is not worth that much money is making a judgement without having ALL THE FACTS.
Sorry forgot to say not having handled it.
Yeah, it’s pretty crazy these days, but you can’t help but laugh. I will have to check that out... I never looked into Phil to try and get on his books, but I will have to.
Hell ya kenny I love these style vids! Almost like were having a convo about our fav knives!
Thanks Dom! I enjoy them as well... love chatting with you guys👍
Kenny, I enjoy these discussion videos and IMO type of content. On top of that I like the way you record these in person and showing interest instead of just your hands
Thanks a lot. I really appreciate it
Hey, I enjoyed this vid, you made a lot of solid points. What's the name of that sick little fixed blade again? I looked for it and can't find it
Thanks man. The website is www.kase_knives.com , and his IG is @kknives_switzerland . His name is Roman... super cool dude👍
Good vid Kenny! As ya know, I have been lucky to get my mitts on a lot of knives, and I am constantly surprised by knives I think I will like, but do not. Same thing in the opposite as well. I really liked the Mordax, and I really liked the Socom. I don't like them enough to pay the price for either. That doesn't mean they are not worth the price. I just don't like them enough to pay for them. There is a big list of those that I have seen over the last year or so. The value of something is what the buyer is willing to pay to have it.
Thanks Kurt! Absolutely bro... you have handled more knives than us all combined lol and you know better than anyone. Some guys probably think snap on tools are worth the money, but any serious mechanic would beg to differ. It’s definitely a very personal thing as well, whether something is “worth” it. How can someone tell me my Sebenza isn’t worth the money hahaha it’s crazy
@@inthepocket7405 Right! The Sebenza is worth every penny to me! 👊😁
Im a former Marine. If i didnt have an emerson i wasnt a Marine. The one thing i noticed pretty quickly, however, was when it came time to beat the hell out of a knife, it was either a 940 or an Infidel.
Im not bashing emerson, or complimenting benchmade for that matter, just expressing that they are very much pocket jewelry to some.
That’s great man. The 940 is a great utility knife, and I would recommend it in a lot of cases. I don’t have any personal experience with the infidel.
Crazy... I would never think of an Emerson as pocket jewelry, but maybe that’s just me.
There is 3 things that affect the value. First of all is fit and finish second is the materials and last is what somebody's willing to be.
willing to pay
I agree with what you said, but I think there’s more than just those three things. Like heat treat being one of them.
3 types of people that tells something they never held in their hand isn't worth the price!! 1.The knives is for them simply too expensive 2. The knife is not meant for use but rather as "pocket jewelry" or "fidget tool".. 3. Inexperienced user judging "the book by the cover" without actually feeling the knife.. Non of witch I belong to😉 I don't care if it's carbon fibre or g10 and stainless steel, titanium or aluminium, if the knife isn't designed for specific use and balanced with correct material, it simply won't work!!! That's why it's not every knife you buy the one for you (at least in my case)... My all time favourite knives Spyderco Mule, Rockstead Shin, Spydiechef and Chaparral all of witch are masterpieces for those who use knives to cut , according to many others🙏 only one has Titanium 🤫 don't give a ....😁 PS Written before watching!!!
Lol Nicely said buddy👍 you knew what was coming:) that’s a pretty perfect spread of favorites right there bro👌
I like EDC knives .....I buy cheaper knives but the only knife I’m waiting for is the New Chaves knives in 2020 and
I will pay for a Chaves.....
That’s a good choice 👍
Guys don’t see the cost of labor which is more than the material. You’re paying a guys wage his health care cost put money in the 401(k) retirement . Good video .
Very true. Thanks buddy:)
Preach my man well done
Thanks bro
💯 “Hidden value”
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Well said!
Well done bro. Great topic. There is definitely a lot of pretentiousness in the community.
Amen to that!
Thanks a lot James.
A lot of reviewers go out cut up a box than give a review on something like an emerson saying it's not worth it. I dont see how they can say that just because it's not worth it to them, it's not something they will use so they say shit like that and put it in people's heads.
💯it is pretty bad man. People just eat it up too, and come at people that tel it now it is.
Application has to be considered. That Emerson is a multi tool, not a slicer. That’s why I would have two knives on me hahaha
@@inthepocket7405 exactly why it's hard for me to watch some reviewers anymore. If it's not m390 and on bearings it's not a good knife, I don't think they realize some people buy knives to use as tools. Keep up what your doing man loving the vids of someone who truly "uses their shit."
I owe you an apology because I thought YOU were a FF fan boy...my bad.
No worries at all man. I am a fan boy of no one hahaha I appreciate a well made knife, that’s all.
Not exactly ... Well cooked sirloin is much much better than Fucked up Kobe beef🙏 Trust me, I learned first hand just 3-4weeks ago when I bought Kobe beef (ones in life joy witch turned out to be extremely expensive disaster).. 🙏🤫 Knife exemple? Ruike 14c28n destroyed ZT 204p
That Ruike is an incredible value imho. Such a great knife for the money, and it performs WAY above it's class. I just wish it wasn't so slick in the hand, but a few pieces of dragon scales tape fixed that problem.
@@timbo4374 I couldn't agree more with that!!! I have a Neil nicker p848 and the steel is just amazing ,that's first incredible value👍 The 2nd is that I took the knife apart many times and after a year the knife is still beautifully centered while no play and the detend on the knife (at least on my) is so satisfying 🙏 Really incredible knife ,truelly (That knife feels 100usd while cost 50usd) I'm glad you have same experience like me, cheers mate✌️
@@marekmasar5216 14C28N is my favorite budget steel. Ruike makes a great knife. Put the 2 together, and you have a great value! I wish more budget knife makers would use that steel. If Ruike can put out a knife in that steel for $30-$50 bucks, than what excuse is there for companies like Kershaw that pump out one after another design in 8CR13MOV?
@@timbo4374 ZT and Kershaw are equally fucked up company 🙏 And that I was collecting ZT knives (before I knew any better) and that's not opinion! That's a fact🙏 Actually I love the Ruike now so much I would pay more for that knife cause it certainly perform the twice it's relative value.. Still I'm total Spyderco (only sprint runs and exclusive) collector and that's about the knife I'll ever buy.. Ruike is my beater (scratch the fuck out of it) and Spyderco (Fantastic design and Ergonomics) Kizer Real Steel ZT Kershaw All real shit ,avoid those and you'll be fine.. Ontario is good too ✌️
@@timbo4374 I forgot to add... It's not only about the material, even 8cr13mov could be heat treated to perform.. That's what this video is about, what you do with the material.. If your primary point is to make knife look great but neglect the most essential steps as to how to peak the knives performance , you'll future will be short lived.. Well Ruike went opposite direction, make sure the tool is really done the best it could be while maintaining relatively simple finish and materials (bead blast and Stainless Steel + g10) And I won't hesitate to buy another one