I did cold water bath right after every run a few years ago. I went from barely doing 10k to an half-marathon in one month while still drinking beer in the evening. I was 22 at the time
He did answer the question in the title. Ice baths *can* be good if you use them *correctly* (i.e., to restore the body for performance). For example, I bet Salazar has his athletes hitting the ice bath in between Olympic rounds (quarter-finals, semi-finals, finals) in order to restore their legs as best as they can for the next round. However, I bet Salazar does *not* have his athletes ice bathe after a hard workout session, because to do so would inhibit adaptation to the stress of that session.
Good analysis - exactly what I was trying to understand as an older masters runner. In my young days - 20s - never gave a thought about it. Of course when you are young you pretty much think you are bulletproof. Now almost 67 - I know better. I listen to my body - with no distractions (don’t use a watch, don’t use music with ear plugs, etc)…and find it to be a huge help.
I’m a fan of icing, especially during marathon training. I always take two large gas station bags, and lay with them on my thighs and calves for about 20 minutes. Not a dr. But personally it feels great for inflammation and getting that blood flow that’s so important. I do it after long runs. After years of running I definitely recover way faster and reduce leg fatigue the next day. That’s just my experience though. Wouldn’t use it for injuries, only for recovery
He does answer the question, he's saying that if u ice bathe, you aren't physically enhancing yourself, youre just recovering. If u don't ice bathe, you will become physically stronger once you heal
No he's saying only do it when you're not in an "improvement" phase. It helps the body recover but does so at the cost of allowing the body to adapt to stress. Therefore is good only between/after races.
He's using scientific based research to show that cellular stress is being inhibited when engaging in an ice bath for post workout therapy...instead what Jeff is saying for "Optimizing cellular adaptation" you want to induce or allow mechanical stress on the muscles in order for them to adapt to the strenuous training your body goes through in a given period of time.
Intuition is indicated by science by virtue of millions of years of survival. If athletes spend more time in meditative, grounded states, more free of neurotic behavior and thoughts, and pressures from nefarious coaches, they may tap into exactly what they need for balance in mind, body, and spirit... dare I say karma. With an ability to get into this state and know what you need, what your body needs, you may make a valuable decision about the proper therapeutic protocols. I take this on every day and live a well life striving more for balance than high performance. Is it low performance to be balanced? I'd offer that it's very high performance to be functional, pain free, honest, loving, kind, compassionate, and not in need of legal teams to get you out of trouble for lying about your training protocols and domestic issues that cause cataclysmic fallout. Some of the fallout is fired by sedentism which statistically befalls over 90 percent of former high-performance athletes, military, dancers, contractors who leave their high-performance, highly physical daily activity. My goal is to bring awareness to that statistic. Maybe you can help me spread the more. Ponder these thoughts and enjoy your next baaaahhhth, Sifu Slim author TheAgingAthlete.com Billy Mills is featured in this book, as are some other world endurance distance athletes.
Useless except if say you are running two races in one day, or say in the ultra-marathon community as a recovery tactic during a race such as down time in a multi day race. Aug 2 Hot to Trot 8 hour Aug 30 Yeti Snakebite 50 k Sept 19 Run with the Horses 50 k Oct 11 Mystery Mountain Marathon Oct 16-17 Bourbon Chase Relay 200 miles
I did cold water bath right after every run a few years ago. I went from barely doing 10k to an half-marathon in one month while still drinking beer in the evening. I was 22 at the time
He did answer the question in the title. Ice baths *can* be good if you use them *correctly* (i.e., to restore the body for performance). For example, I bet Salazar has his athletes hitting the ice bath in between Olympic rounds (quarter-finals, semi-finals, finals) in order to restore their legs as best as they can for the next round. However, I bet Salazar does *not* have his athletes ice bathe after a hard workout session, because to do so would inhibit adaptation to the stress of that session.
Good analysis - exactly what I was trying to understand as an older masters runner. In my young days - 20s - never gave a thought about it. Of course when you are young you pretty much think you are bulletproof. Now almost 67 - I know better. I listen to my body - with no distractions (don’t use a watch, don’t use music with ear plugs, etc)…and find it to be a huge help.
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9 years to this video, still usefull. Thank you so much
He answered a question that has always troubled me. Perfectly summed up. Great video.
I’m a fan of icing, especially during marathon training. I always take two large gas station bags, and lay with them on my thighs and calves for about 20 minutes. Not a dr. But personally it feels great for inflammation and getting that blood flow that’s so important. I do it after long runs. After years of running I definitely recover way faster and reduce leg fatigue the next day. That’s just my experience though. Wouldn’t use it for injuries, only for recovery
He does answer the question, he's saying that if u ice bathe, you aren't physically enhancing yourself, youre just recovering. If u don't ice bathe, you will become physically stronger once you heal
I know this video was posted awhile ago, but maybe you can shed some light on how often and how long would ice baths be before a race?
So do we do massage and other stuff? This is so confusing on whether we want inflammation?
Can I still get my gains if I ice bath 24 hours after a run?
So basically once in a while is good? But everyday is bad? Should I limit my ice baths then to once per month?
No he's saying only do it when you're not in an "improvement" phase. It helps the body recover but does so at the cost of allowing the body to adapt to stress. Therefore is good only between/after races.
Sooo long story short... Don't ice bath after your workouts just in competition between rounds?
And he also means that you could ice bathe the day before
A little difficult to understand.
So basically this is not answering the title's question... cool.
He's using scientific based research to show that cellular stress is being inhibited when engaging in an ice bath for post workout therapy...instead what Jeff is saying for "Optimizing cellular adaptation" you want to induce or allow mechanical stress on the muscles in order for them to adapt to the strenuous training your body goes through in a given period of time.
He did answer it very clearly. You can say he didn't spoon-feed the audience.
Intuition is indicated by science by virtue of millions of years of survival.
If athletes spend more time in meditative, grounded states, more free of neurotic behavior and thoughts, and pressures from nefarious coaches, they may tap into exactly what they need for balance in mind, body, and spirit... dare I say karma.
With an ability to get into this state and know what you need, what your body needs, you may make a valuable decision about the proper therapeutic protocols.
I take this on every day and live a well life striving more for balance than high performance.
Is it low performance to be balanced? I'd offer that it's very high performance to be functional, pain free, honest, loving, kind, compassionate, and not in need of legal teams to get you out of trouble for lying about your training protocols and domestic issues that cause cataclysmic fallout.
Some of the fallout is fired by sedentism which statistically befalls over 90 percent of former high-performance athletes, military, dancers, contractors who leave their high-performance, highly physical daily activity. My goal is to bring awareness to that statistic.
Maybe you can help me spread the more.
Ponder these thoughts and enjoy your next baaaahhhth,
Sifu Slim
author
TheAgingAthlete.com
Billy Mills is featured in this book, as are some other world endurance distance athletes.
He says ice bathing is useless. I think.
Useless except if say you are running two races in one day, or say in the
ultra-marathon community as a recovery tactic during a race such as down
time in a multi day race.
Aug 2 Hot to Trot 8 hour
Aug 30 Yeti Snakebite 50 k
Sept 19 Run with the Horses 50 k
Oct 11 Mystery Mountain Marathon
Oct 16-17 Bourbon Chase Relay 200 miles
Lol
i just wasted my time watching this. he did not answer the question
If you listen and process he answered it very well. If you are unable then there are comments that simplify it for you.
He’s he did idiot