My point is simple .. set a standard for physical & mental strength .. if just a single woman qualifies in whole country, she should be inducted .. Men won't follow orders even of a male officer if he is weak & coward .. but if there is any courageous woman , they definitely will .. but standards musn't be lowered at any cost ... About women being captured in combat there is definitely chance of greater exploitation .. emotions would run high in that scenario .. compromises could be made .. nation's emotions would jeopardize nation's interest .. so be careful about such decisions.
Have the same criteria for both men and women in selection process in all the fields. Be it army, police, sports or what ever. Who ever deserves gets to go higher..
I love u Bharat Choudhary..!! U r the most bravest man I have encountered in the whole of TH-cam.. Once society starts believing in their daughters just like their sons.. Emotions will only change towards pride!!!
Bro general was not practical that was stereotype debate was on different issue he was speaking on different issue baseless.. role of women in non combat arms as commanding officer
Women should be given equal representation. But they should also given same training what men gothrough. No relaxation in training process. That's the real equality
@@Livingalonediaries23 you are dumb, you dont know nything, women are not given same training as man dumbfuckk, women gets lot of relaxion in weight, men have to pick weight while completing 10 km, while women dont have to pick anything, you dont know anything about training
My respect to maj.gen sir. he is practically correct, and regarding defence its really important to be very much practical its about our national security.
Maj Gen is very firm on No Combat Roles......but he is correct to say .....fight for getting into NDA....train for 3+1 yrs .....with the same 40 kg load.....At present women train for only 1 year and get commissioned and expect to get Commanding officer roles
And what about the brilliant role they perform after recruitment.....they prove their capability ....its not thst they r directly given commanding roles......
@@incrediblendia6855 Though I favour the permanent commission....and commanding Roles....but still ladies get relaxation in all those physical benchmarks....This won't be denied even by ladies who fought their case in SC
@@bhagyasinghgurjar9803 bro we know the sacrifices of our great woman fighters thatswhy we call our land motherland but it's related our country security forces you can make 1 or 10 officers for this but we have 12lkh arm forces will they comfortable with ab female officer.... Bcz we boys treat ourself in a comman manner.
You are right. Have the same criteria for both men and women in selection process in all the fields. Be it army, police, sports or what ever. Who ever deserves gets to go higher..
A very interesting debate.. It really gets interesting when speakers speak both for and against the theme ..we get to learn a variety of dimensions then..
Some other points to read and search Short service commission: SSC Minimum 10 years , which is extended for 4 years. It has difference process of enterence. Ex : CDS (OTA) which provides for entry into non technical branch. SSC can be converted into PC , based on ACR report and various other factors I e. Requirements of cadre , 6,&7 year of service option exercised by candidate etc. Full service commission or permanent commission: minimum 20years (to get eligible for pension {Read also OROP}) or till the age of superannuation. It can't be changed into SSC. It has various methods for entering: 10+2, NDA etc. On 5 March, 2019 women also became eligible for P.C. Indian army structure, (standing, reserve) 8para military forces. Defence ministry structure Chief defence of staff*** India's position in defence forces in global level on various parameters. India's spending on defence (captial , revenue) and comparison with China, USA, Indian defence forces demands of various equipment. Defence procurement policy Strategic partnership model Defence Expo(2020 in Lucknow, biennial event) DRDO and it's relevance. Defense PSU such as HAL and various ordinance factory board Philosophical point: should women need to be on equal front on every point as there biological and neurological , psychological wiring is different than men. Or Men will be need to prove that they are equal with women. Various methods of warfare.(Cyber warfare : modern day reality) Definition of Progressive.
Sir told it best that why we must start the gender equality with army. I would rather appericiate if majority of cabinet is constituted of women and not only by putting a single women as a cabinet minister and singing the song of gender equality
Katoch sir is practical and is speaking with true concern for women and gender equality. Gender equality, indeed, does not mean women doing everything men do. In fact, men can't do everything that women do. We are biologically different. That's nature and there is nothing to debate or feel inferior about that.
That's the problem a men speaking with true concern for women and gender equality where the two women in the room who are speaking from their experience, law and on behalf of women are not given enough weight. What kind of fucking world is this?
Dhruv sir is very logical on his points.... Fighting to win is different from the fighting for the sake of fight and that women should understand and moreover we should not put our women to such harsh conditions. If they want to prove themselves they there are multifarious fields like Space and technology, medical or they can be President which we mostly welcome.
Sometimes, emotions can't win you battle but the courage will.we often forgot while discussing gender equality we sometimes tends towards gender inequality by looking everything in the perspective of gender equality or women biased..so we should not fall into that trap & try to think in terms of situation and time too
What to think ?it's been quite a long time in thinking as once a field marshal said a Leader must make their decision just short span of time and one must stand by it. So women have clearly made their mind and clearly standing by it. But I guess poor male officers have got some chillies in their asses, hence giving more time in washroom and talking shit.
General sir's definition of equality is very correct. If women want equality in top post, they must adhere to equality principle in the journey process to that post as well, go through the same training that the men go through. Mere notion of political equality doesnt serve the purpose. Ultimately national security is important.
@@Livingalonediaries23 nope he is practical you are feminist, if women want to serve in comabact roles, they should perform same training as man, you agree with that?? Women shouldnt be allowed any relaxion if they want their so called eqality,. What do you think?? Srry but but major general gave solution if women want to serve in combact, they should go through same course as women.
Some vital points (with critical inputs) First , I beg to differ with Anubha rathaur . In last 6 decades (since 1971) India only faced one skirmish in Kargil. Merely brushing aside the PoW points doesn't lessen the value of this argument. Mam needs to revisit the world history. Women's are always a prized possession in war. There is old saying everything is fair in love and war. So women can be bait to turn the tables in war situation. The penal missed this point: Women are considered as possession (Aabru in general sense) in North India belt, Pakistan, Bangladesh at least. If there modesty is outraged (in simple sense raped or gangraped by other military or within military ) What will be the ramifications . Will India file case in International court of justice.(in case of opposite defense forces) Or what will be the national stir if it is within in military. (Like after Nirbhaya incident protest on every roads in Delhi) (mostly Indian are too emotional, and whenever emotions comes in , logic goes out) India is sexually oppressed country , where boys/ men are conditioned in a particular way, which provides a step higher is social & family ladder. Will they be comfortable when a women at 10000ft high place needs to go loo at nearby or woman officer will be comfortable . Further, two points I like to made Indian government must review the lesson of USA defence forces on women participation and for people a must watch web series made by Balaji telefilms ( in lead role actress..... Kaur) Dhruv sir raised some valid points , one the most important is that it is not place to show gender equality or neutrality on political account. If they are so willing to make India gender equal. Why the (33%) women reservation bill in legislatures, is hanging since 1996. The answer is it doesn't suit their political agenda, further they have to bear the brunt of their decision. Which in case of this army officers and troops have to bear on individual level and country on an entity level. I would like to make only point that any changes should be in phased manner and not sudden or abrupt , which destabilize the internal functioning of army or any other defence forces. It should be done with persuasive techniques which begins from school level and goes until family education system. There is lots of grass root work need to be done so male hegemony doesn't hurt and lots of women also get comfortable to join the commanding position, besides practical , physiological and biological issues. Our country have much vital matter(modernization, enhancing captial expenditure, integrated commands, etc) in defence forces , which needs to addressed urgently and intervention of court is totally undesirable in this case.
Yeah I can clearly see what kind of teaching Dhruv must be giving to his daughters. Women have not come with such demand out of blue. If you could listen to the story of first women in Indian army major Priya, you will realise back then also there were assumption and bla bla stuff about will women be doing justice to their roles or not but they came and they did it very well. So the debate will always be there. Even if we start area which was earlier or traditionally considered to be belonging to men. Because surely men have ego issues. There is no denying that exploitation has been taken place, because that how they (men) show that they are naturally more powerful than women, by raping women. Because in work they have been defeated since ages. Anubha is speaking with her mind and experience, surely Dhruv had got some serious conditioning issue. No denying that women and children are two most affected and harmed community in a war but are they been. Given the opportunity to hold a weapon in self defence and defence of nation u think no rather they were told and taught to relied on men for their own safety. But the crux of whole debate is about the fact that where women has been serving since long time atleast legally they should get equal right like men in promotion and performance of their duty.
@@Livingalonediaries23 the only point is that gender equality has less priority than National security , Defence, and the emotional trauma is suffered when women bodies torn apart during frontline.
The advocate needs to get out of the SJW shell she lives in. Maj. Gen. Dhruv C Katoch has a truly practical mindset and a holistic outlook, unlike others who just jump on to the political correctness express.
If women are able to go through same entry criteria,same mental and physical breakup,same toughness they are welcomed...but then no excuse shall be accepted...
Being a soldier, I believe that women should be placed in combat role. Points put forward by Gen Druv Katoch are logically correct. Woman whatso ever highly motivated or physically tough cannot sustain in operation.
Do set the same physical requirements, training for women who wished to enter in combat role . If she fits there is no reason to disallow her. Let the women decide for herself.
We can change mindset but the enemies will not so if we want win the battel we have to think like them. Whever we will have needed we will for till then we don't need to make weak our arm forces mentally.
Aishwarya Bhati says "we need a change in mid-set" in her concluding remarks. To her I would like to ask, can a change in mind-set win wars? Can a change in mindset fight terrorism? Can a change in mindset defend our borders successfully? There is a value subtraction but there is no value addition by allowing women into front-line combat roles. These feminist activists are trying to impose equality where there is no equality. If they are really for equality, they should sincerely ask for the same physical & psychological screening process for both men & women for induction into the army. Then I would call that "gender equality", not the imposed one with court judgements & legislations.
Debate is very fruitful and all members opinion are also right. But is not fit for this time for induction of women in frontline operation, as many times situation became very worse.
Even the constitution mentions that equal protection has to be given in equal conditions in art 14(2), likes should be treated alike, at least giving them chance to proove they a alike is required. But at the same time war situations are never alike, they come with the highest risks and challenges. I myself is not able to figure out what should be done now!
I believe efficiency of defense forces should not be compromised, there should be one criteria for selection whoever fits the criteria should be allowed irrespective the gender.
Have the same criteria for both men and women in selection process in all the fields. Be it army, police, sports or what ever. Who ever deserves gets to go higher..
Definitely! There are areas where women can excelled,but it doesn't mean that they also must be given same task as men. Bcoz here in India there are a unique social acceptance.
In olympics men and female athletes should compete in same league..why different categories...same should be for all sports across all formats..that would be good
I'm a woman myself but here the two women are only focusing on the gender equality aspect only which obviously needs to be discussed here, no doubt about that but I agree with general Dhrub Katoch that women and men should be given the same training otherwise the quality of service will be compromised which is never expected in such a sensitive role like commanding army..The lawyer was saying about her profession but let us not forget being a lawyer and being an army commander are not the same..They require different kind of training and in law profession there is no requirement for physical fitness at all..Let's be practical and realistic without being unnecessarily passionate about gender equality here..but, having said that if a woman goes through the same training and proves her to be competent enough then I see no reason why they should be denied the role of an army commander..I only disagree with Mr.Dhruv Katoch on one point and that is woman's safety..A woman who is aspiring for that role should know that she can face more safety issues for the sake of her gender and she should be prepared for that and she should not depend on any man to come and save her..Men do not have to be the savior of women officers..Women who are aspiring for that role should be capable of taking care of themselves otherwise they should just leave their job..simple!
The people who are talking about physical strength concerns should think once about the women who daily face domestic violence and torture still remain calm and carry on with their day to day work .
@@anusha178b2 the enemy won't torture u always they just finish u. If women are stronger than men why they never appear for construction sites where men work even in the scorching sun??? Sanitation, drainage,metal factory and most of heavy duty physical work?? This is the failure of equality One who is talented or capable deserves the job and not if men or women. This is nothing but privilege u r asking..
@@prithvi6078 i will never say that women are stronger than men and I have not implied that in any way in my previous comment I just feel that equal opportunity should be given .... And I will also never say that men are stronger than women it's just the way we were/are conditioned that men are stronger
Woman are equal with men .. I totally agree... then as general said they should get equal training as men to become more capable as men and it ia for there own good ,it will mainly increase there compitance in warfare as warfare is very unpredictable . Then they obviously get suitable for the job.
women in combat status : women are allowed in combat only in airforce which currently have 13% of their manpower as women they are currently allowed in posts that are supporting in nature in favour : 1. it is no longer the age of brute force but human rigths and diplomacy in the armed forces. women can enhance this ability 2. it can lead to better performance due to mixed gender and demography 3. restricting potential manpower like women can lead to the missed capabilities of the military 4. it can lead to prpgressiveness in the army by shunning patriarchy and hyper masculinitu in many nordic nations owmne are allowed and have been known for the lowest gender gap in the world against 1. the physiognamic limits of women can affect operations that require years of continuous mission (menstrual cycle and reproduction ) 2. it can lead to outrage and grief for individuals and society if there are cases of women prisoners of war in misogynistic societies 3. army is not a place for eqaulity activism but for pragamtic reasons like security and integrity women are now allowed in field work as ips officers women are capable of taking decsions on whether to join the army or not and is aware on her physical needs there are new avenues in army that require new capabilities like cyber ware, space war, technology etc and this can require new capabilities like women
I'm with maj.gen Dhruv on this issue .. let's accept the fact that there are physical capabilities difference between men and women. It has nothing to do with patriarchal mindset. The more you defend mindset, the greater you deny science.
Ms Aishwarya bhati does not know that physical standards are always much lower for women. If the men have same standards as women, almost every man will pass that test.
Sir has pointed out practical experience which he has faced during his duty....If it's the matter of gender equality then everyone has to go through the same training criteria,those who would fit (weather it is man or women)will pass the line.thats all.
i trully agree with mej gen.'s opinion.if we want to really impower women a lot of areas have been already vacant first of all fill that areas then come to armed forces.personally i am not against of any type of gender equility but when the matter of armed forces comes it"s need a serious and practical decision. pollitical game should not be allow here
My point is simple .. set a standard for physical & mental strength .. if just a single woman qualifies in whole country, she should be inducted .. Men won't follow orders even of a male officer if he is weak & coward .. but if there is any courageous woman , they definitely will .. but standards musn't be lowered at any cost ... About women being captured in combat there is definitely chance of greater exploitation .. emotions would run high in that scenario .. compromises could be made .. nation's emotions would jeopardize nation's interest .. so be careful about such decisions.
Thik hn teri baat but u not right
Have the same criteria for both men and women in selection process in all the fields. Be it army, police, sports or what ever. Who ever deserves gets to go higher..
@@YOGDANSARPANCH What kind of double standard statement made by you? "Thik hn teri baat but u not right"?? He made a point, you should do it too?
Don't compromise nation's security for some foolish reason
I love u Bharat Choudhary..!! U r the most bravest man I have encountered in the whole of TH-cam.. Once society starts believing in their daughters just like their sons.. Emotions will only change towards pride!!!
General sir is absolutely right , he is very practical
Bro general was not practical that was stereotype debate was on different issue he was speaking on different issue baseless.. role of women in non combat arms as commanding officer
Women should be given equal representation. But they should also given same training what men gothrough. No relaxation in training process. That's the real equality
You r right
If we want equality
So this is necessary
Thamizh Eniyan I totally agree with you.
Do you know they are given the same training ? Since they have been inducted.
@@Livingalonediaries23 you are dumb, you dont know nything, women are not given same training as man dumbfuckk, women gets lot of relaxion in weight, men have to pick weight while completing 10 km, while women dont have to pick anything, you dont know anything about training
It's not about training. They are relaxing the parameters for the military test.. that's ridiculous..
My respect to maj.gen sir. he is practically correct, and regarding defence its really important to be very much practical its about our national security.
Katosh sir is extremely articulate 👌👌👌👌👌👌👌
Maj Gen is very firm on No Combat Roles......but he is correct to say .....fight for getting into NDA....train for 3+1 yrs .....with the same 40 kg load.....At present women train for only 1 year and get commissioned and expect to get Commanding officer roles
Premraj Hadke absolutely right
And what about the brilliant role they perform after recruitment.....they prove their capability ....its not thst they r directly given commanding roles......
When women r granted post suitable to them biologicaly nd why again this biological qiestion arise after so many years of service
@@incrediblendia6855 Though I favour the permanent commission....and commanding Roles....but still ladies get relaxation in all those physical benchmarks....This won't be denied even by ladies who fought their case in SC
See they have not yet open the NDA for women how could one say that they need to !
maj gen katoch sir was right on fire.... brilliantly displayed his experience
Male ego and shit.
Dhruv sir nailed it👌👌👌the points laid down by him were logical.
Nice to see you commenting on that it needs courage really 👌
150 years ago Jhansi Rani commanded Whole Of her army and defeated british,no one disobeyed her.
Its all in Mindset👆
Bro ... Rani Laxmibai lost the war ... She was a loser. Then she committed suicide. Brave, yes ... but good commander, NO.
@@starsend7737 what about man who lost to English in that revolution
@@starsend7737 very well said. (y)
@@bhagyasinghgurjar9803 bro we know the sacrifices of our great woman fighters thatswhy we call our land motherland but it's related our country security forces you can make 1 or 10 officers for this but we have 12lkh arm forces will they comfortable with ab female officer.... Bcz we boys treat ourself in a comman manner.
You are right. Have the same criteria for both men and women in selection process in all the fields. Be it army, police, sports or what ever. Who ever deserves gets to go higher..
Highest quality debate on topic. No easy way forward is possible in such tricky matters
General I agree with him. Valid points.
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A very interesting debate.. It really gets interesting when speakers speak both for and against the theme ..we get to learn a variety of dimensions then..
Some other points to read and search
Short service commission: SSC Minimum 10 years , which is extended for 4 years. It has difference process of enterence. Ex : CDS (OTA) which provides for entry into non technical branch.
SSC can be converted into PC , based on ACR report and various other factors I e. Requirements of cadre , 6,&7 year of service option exercised by candidate etc.
Full service commission or permanent commission: minimum 20years (to get eligible for pension {Read also OROP}) or till the age of superannuation. It can't be changed into SSC. It has various methods for entering: 10+2, NDA etc.
On 5 March, 2019 women also became eligible for P.C.
Indian army structure, (standing, reserve)
8para military forces.
Defence ministry structure
Chief defence of staff***
India's position in defence forces in global level on various parameters.
India's spending on defence (captial , revenue) and comparison with China, USA,
Indian defence forces demands of various equipment.
Defence procurement policy
Strategic partnership model
Defence Expo(2020 in Lucknow, biennial event)
DRDO and it's relevance.
Defense PSU such as HAL and various ordinance factory board
Philosophical point: should women need to be on equal front on every point as there biological and neurological , psychological wiring is different than men. Or
Men will be need to prove that they are equal with women.
Various methods of warfare.(Cyber warfare : modern day reality)
Definition of Progressive.
I hope if you can clarify the difference between short service and full service.
@@user-tt3bx4ne4h check out the edited comment
@@chitreshagrawal8136 basically, SS=10yrs and Full service=20yrs.
Sir told it best that why we must start the gender equality with army.
I would rather appericiate if majority of cabinet is constituted of women and not only by putting a single women as a cabinet minister and singing the song of gender equality
True, these people who sit in parliament and courts know the theory part, they do not know the action part.
It's not about equality. If someone is qualified for it, should given and not by reserving half seat for gender..
It's not about equality. If someone is qualified for it, should given and not by reserving half seat for gender..
such debates gets very interesting and informative when both the sides are presented. well articulated points from the general.
Thanks RSTV for great debate as always you do..very informative, logically with fact.
General saab ..most practical
And foolish
@@Livingalonediaries23 lol triggerd feminist
Big Pictures guests are so respectful. I guess the environment is decided by the hosts.
Katoch sir is practical and is speaking with true concern for women and gender equality.
Gender equality, indeed, does not mean women doing everything men do. In fact, men can't do everything that women do. We are biologically different. That's nature and there is nothing to debate or feel inferior about that.
That's the problem a men speaking with true concern for women and gender equality where the two women in the room who are speaking from their experience, law and on behalf of women are not given enough weight. What kind of fucking world is this?
@@Livingalonediaries23 lol you miaunderstood his comment, men are physically stronger than women, thats why men are allowed in comabct, not women
Wonderful to see a very cultured debate. All had different opinions but none were disrespecting anyone
General sahab and lawyer Ma'am both had logical points...
General rocked it.....
Simply great points.
Jai Hind
General Katoch fired shots 🔥.
Thanks a lot Rajya sabha TV for such informative debates.
Dhruv sir is very logical on his points.... Fighting to win is different from the fighting for the sake of fight and that women should understand and moreover we should not put our women to such harsh conditions. If they want to prove themselves they there are multifarious fields like Space and technology, medical or they can be President which we mostly welcome.
Dhruv Sir is Practical and Real.
Such a very interesting discussion after a very long time...it was reasonalbe and logical to keep emotion outside doing some specific works.........
General sab, outstanding
Superb discussion... Every panelists put their point very effectively... Thank you so much @frank sir and rajyasabha tv wholeheartedly😊😊✌️👍
Both ma’am points are based on equality 😊
Sir change ur mindset
And very osm debate🤗
what a debate..enjoyed General sir part in a healthy way...perfect
Dr. Dhruv C katoch is correct about it all. Not in combat but everywhere else.
Will he do the same kind of efforts for women like he is doing in stopping them in opting combat role.
Salute to General sir 🙇.
Totally changed my perspective regarding the matter.
Sometimes, emotions can't win you battle but the courage will.we often forgot while discussing gender equality we sometimes tends towards gender inequality by looking everything in the perspective of gender equality or women biased..so we should not fall into that trap & try to think in terms of situation and time too
What to think ?it's been quite a long time in thinking as once a field marshal said a Leader must make their decision just short span of time and one must stand by it. So women have clearly made their mind and clearly standing by it. But I guess poor male officers have got some chillies in their asses, hence giving more time in washroom and talking shit.
I just hope we should not be carried away by the emotions but to really respond in a most positive & certain manner
@@Livingalonediaries23 absolutely correct
General sahab is absolutely right
General sir's definition of equality is very correct. If women want equality in top post, they must adhere to equality principle in the journey process to that post as well, go through the same training that the men go through. Mere notion of political equality doesnt serve the purpose. Ultimately national security is important.
Captain rocks
Sorry Mrs aishwarya you are just doing your job but not justice.
Completely Agree with Dhruv sir!
Thanks RStv.
Major general's view are very practical.!
It was full of emotions not practicality. He can not surely talk for women by being men.
@@Livingalonediaries23 nope he is practical you are feminist, if women want to serve in comabact roles, they should perform same training as man, you agree with that?? Women shouldnt be allowed any relaxion if they want their so called eqality,. What do you think?? Srry but but major general gave solution if women want to serve in combact, they should go through same course as women.
He is absolutely right at equal training
The way they deliver the debate is awesome as compared to any other media houses respect for everyone no offence
Maj. Gen. Dhruva just nailed it. Gender empowerment and gender equality shit should be stopped
I also agree
@@poonamraj7251 but I guess even apex court having feminism hysteria😊
Thank You RSTV👍
At 14:10 pow is hypothetical? Really mam?
I thought so too. She was ranting nonsense.
Ya this discussion was only about feminism not about national security.
@@Livingalonediaries23 no one is agree with you feminist shutt upp
General said how i am gonna evacuate that lady if she gets sick at the post - same way you would evacuate a man genaral !
Ikr
I agree with the general 🙏🏻🙏🏻 because in reality he is correct
Very nice debate ........ thanks Mr. Frank Sir for very nice guys on one platform.
Keep it away .
I like to watch only RS channel debates.
Exceptionally good discussion in a very limited time.
Tnx rs tv.
very logical debate thanks RSTV
Some vital points (with critical inputs)
First , I beg to differ with Anubha rathaur . In last 6 decades (since 1971) India only faced one skirmish in Kargil. Merely brushing aside the PoW points doesn't lessen the value of this argument. Mam needs to revisit the world history. Women's are always a prized possession in war.
There is old saying everything is fair in love and war.
So women can be bait to turn the tables in war situation.
The penal missed this point:
Women are considered as possession (Aabru in general sense) in North India belt, Pakistan, Bangladesh at least. If there modesty is outraged (in simple sense raped or gangraped by other military or within military )
What will be the ramifications .
Will India file case in International court of justice.(in case of opposite defense forces)
Or what will be the national stir if it is within in military. (Like after Nirbhaya incident protest on every roads in Delhi) (mostly Indian are too emotional, and whenever emotions comes in , logic goes out)
India is sexually oppressed country , where boys/ men are conditioned in a particular way, which provides a step higher is social & family ladder. Will they be comfortable when a women at 10000ft high place needs to go loo at nearby or woman officer will be comfortable .
Further, two points I like to made Indian government must review the lesson of USA defence forces on women participation and for people a must watch web series made by Balaji telefilms ( in lead role actress..... Kaur)
Dhruv sir raised some valid points , one the most important is that it is not place to show gender equality or neutrality on political account.
If they are so willing to make India gender equal. Why the (33%) women reservation bill in legislatures, is hanging since 1996. The answer is it doesn't suit their political agenda, further they have to bear the brunt of their decision.
Which in case of this army officers and troops have to bear on individual level and country on an entity level.
I would like to make only point that any changes should be in phased manner and not sudden or abrupt , which destabilize the internal functioning of army or any other defence forces.
It should be done with persuasive techniques which begins from school level and goes until family education system. There is lots of grass root work need to be done so male hegemony doesn't hurt and lots of women also get comfortable to join the commanding position, besides practical , physiological and biological issues.
Our country have much vital matter(modernization, enhancing captial expenditure, integrated commands, etc) in defence forces , which needs to addressed urgently and intervention of court is totally undesirable in this case.
Yeah I can clearly see what kind of teaching Dhruv must be giving to his daughters.
Women have not come with such demand out of blue.
If you could listen to the story of first women in Indian army major Priya, you will realise back then also there were assumption and bla bla stuff about will women be doing justice to their roles or not but they came and they did it very well. So the debate will always be there. Even if we start area which was earlier or traditionally considered to be belonging to men. Because surely men have ego issues.
There is no denying that exploitation has been taken place, because that how they (men) show that they are naturally more powerful than women, by raping women. Because in work they have been defeated since ages.
Anubha is speaking with her mind and experience, surely Dhruv had got some serious conditioning issue.
No denying that women and children are two most affected and harmed community in a war but are they been. Given the opportunity to hold a weapon in self defence and defence of nation u think no rather they were told and taught to relied on men for their own safety.
But the crux of whole debate is about the fact that where women has been serving since long time atleast legally they should get equal right like men in promotion and performance of their duty.
@@Livingalonediaries23 the only point is that gender equality has less priority than National security , Defence, and the emotional trauma is suffered when women bodies torn apart during frontline.
@@chitreshagrawal8136 dude leave that girl is triggerd feminist, who cant accept facts, facts dont care about your fellings
Everyone should hear general @15:00 very aptly said
What a wonderful debate it was 💌
The advocate needs to get out of the SJW shell she lives in. Maj. Gen. Dhruv C Katoch has a truly practical mindset and a holistic outlook, unlike others who just jump on to the political correctness express.
Heated discussion.
very logical points put forward by all.
Thank you for such an amazing insights , points taken.
dhruv rocks bhati shocks
If women are able to go through same entry criteria,same mental and physical breakup,same toughness they are welcomed...but then no excuse shall be accepted...
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Being a soldier, I believe that women should be placed in combat role. Points put forward by Gen Druv Katoch are logically correct. Woman whatso ever highly motivated or physically tough cannot sustain in operation.
Do set the same physical requirements, training for women who wished to enter in combat role . If she fits there is no reason to disallow her. Let the women decide for herself.
General katoch best as always
He is surely backward with English language.
Well, that was a rollercoaster ride.
General Katoch.....on fire..... 🔥 🔥
We can change mindset but the enemies will not so if we want win the battel we have to think like them. Whever we will have needed we will for till then we don't need to make weak our arm forces mentally.
Don't beg for equality through short root or subsidies . Fight equally and get honours.
Aishwarya Bhati says "we need a change in mid-set" in her concluding remarks. To her I would like to ask, can a change in mind-set win wars? Can a change in mindset fight terrorism? Can a change in mindset defend our borders successfully?
There is a value subtraction but there is no value addition by allowing women into front-line combat roles. These feminist activists are trying to impose equality where there is no equality.
If they are really for equality, they should sincerely ask for the same physical & psychological screening process for both men & women for induction into the army. Then I would call that "gender equality", not the imposed one with court judgements & legislations.
Debate is very fruitful and all members opinion are also right. But is not fit for this time for induction of women in frontline operation, as many times situation became very worse.
Even the constitution mentions that equal protection has to be given in equal conditions in art 14(2), likes should be treated alike, at least giving them chance to proove they a alike is required. But at the same time war situations are never alike, they come with the highest risks and challenges. I myself is not able to figure out what should be done now!
One who is talented should be given and not gender wise
I believe efficiency of defense forces should not be compromised, there should be one criteria for selection whoever fits the criteria should be allowed irrespective the gender.
Great discussion 👍
Good discussion
By both ladies
But it's the major who had put the realistic points in the debate..!!! He was absolutely right about the hand to hand combat scenario.
Have the same criteria for both men and women in selection process in all the fields. Be it army, police, sports or what ever. Who ever deserves gets to go higher..
Definitely!
There are areas where women can excelled,but it doesn't mean that they also must be given same task as men.
Bcoz here in India there are a unique social acceptance.
In olympics men and female athletes should compete in same league..why different categories...same should be for all sports across all formats..that would be good
It is difficult for country like India to include women in combat role, but we must move forward and experience it. But with great preparations.
Maj general is saying what Jordan Peterson says all the time.
Give a chance to prove our blood 🙏🙏🙏
I SUPPORT DHRUV SIR OPENION ...LETS NOT BE HYPOTHETICAL AND EMOTIONAL ,JUST COME TO THE OPERATIONAL STAGE
10KM AND 40KG .
Victory will be achieved finally when infantry men put his foot down on soil
No conventional war
I'm a woman myself but here the two women are only focusing on the gender equality aspect only which obviously needs to be discussed here, no doubt about that but I agree with general Dhrub Katoch that women and men should be given the same training otherwise the quality of service will be compromised which is never expected in such a sensitive role like commanding army..The lawyer was saying about her profession but let us not forget being a lawyer and being an army commander are not the same..They require different kind of training and in law profession there is no requirement for physical fitness at all..Let's be practical and realistic without being unnecessarily passionate about gender equality here..but, having said that if a woman goes through the same training and proves her to be competent enough then I see no reason why they should be denied the role of an army commander..I only disagree with Mr.Dhruv Katoch on one point and that is woman's safety..A woman who is aspiring for that role should know that she can face more safety issues for the sake of her gender and she should be prepared for that and she should not depend on any man to come and save her..Men do not have to be the savior of women officers..Women who are aspiring for that role should be capable of taking care of themselves otherwise they should just leave their job..simple!
What we need is not gender equality. If someone deserves it they should be given on basis of the performance and not gender.
The people who are talking about physical strength concerns should think once about the women who daily face domestic violence and torture still remain calm and carry on with their day to day work .
This is a stupid argument.
@@prithvi6078 i said what I felt
@@anusha178b2 the enemy won't torture u always they just finish u. If women are stronger than men why they never appear for construction sites where men work even in the scorching sun??? Sanitation, drainage,metal factory and most of heavy duty physical work??
This is the failure of equality
One who is talented or capable deserves the job and not if men or women. This is nothing but privilege u r asking..
@@prithvi6078 i will never say that women are stronger than men and I have not implied that in any way in my previous comment I just feel that equal opportunity should be given .... And I will also never say that men are stronger than women it's just the way we were/are conditioned that men are stronger
@@prithvi6078 which world u live? Many many construction workers are women
mindblowing
May be this time is not suitable but we can't say never.
Aishwarya bhatti has no idea about what she is talking and dictating!!!
Dhruv sir❤❤❤❤❤
Woman are equal with men .. I totally agree... then as general said they should get equal training as men to become more capable as men and it ia for there own good ,it will mainly increase there compitance in warfare as warfare is very unpredictable . Then they obviously get suitable for the job.
women in combat
status :
women are allowed in combat only in airforce which currently have 13% of their manpower as women
they are currently allowed in posts that are supporting in nature
in favour :
1. it is no longer the age of brute force but human rigths and diplomacy in the armed forces. women can enhance this ability
2. it can lead to better performance due to mixed gender and demography
3. restricting potential manpower like women can lead to the missed capabilities of the military
4. it can lead to prpgressiveness in the army by shunning patriarchy and hyper masculinitu
in many nordic nations owmne are allowed and have been known for the lowest gender gap in the world
against
1. the physiognamic limits of women can affect operations that require years of continuous mission (menstrual cycle and reproduction )
2. it can lead to outrage and grief for individuals and society if there are cases of women prisoners of war in misogynistic societies
3. army is not a place for eqaulity activism but for pragamtic reasons like security and integrity
women are now allowed in field work as ips officers
women are capable of taking decsions on whether to join the army or not and is aware on her physical needs
there are new avenues in army that require new capabilities like cyber ware, space war, technology etc and this can require new capabilities like women
I'm with maj.gen Dhruv on this issue .. let's accept the fact that there are physical capabilities difference between men and women. It has nothing to do with patriarchal mindset. The more you defend mindset, the greater you deny science.
Ms Aishwarya bhati does not know that physical standards are always much lower for women. If the men have same standards as women, almost every man will pass that test.
Sir has pointed out practical experience which he has faced during his duty....If it's the matter of gender equality then everyone has to go through the same training criteria,those who would fit (weather it is man or women)will pass the line.thats all.
Nice topic sir
Question to all who Support Women in Combat Role.
1. What do you think happens to captured soldiers.
Now think of that Captured Soldier as a women.
It's will be utter failure. We better remove gender equality and should put their performance as criteria
19:54 Pariera.....
This debate is not about what is wrong and what is right but its all about men vs women's
Those in AC courts and studios dont know the harsh realities of brutal battlefield.
i trully agree with mej gen.'s opinion.if we want to really impower women a lot of areas have been already vacant first of all fill that areas then come to armed forces.personally i am not against of any type of gender equility but when the matter of armed forces comes it"s need a serious and practical decision. pollitical game should not be allow here
It was best debet .
The only GD of rstv which turned into debate