Like him or not....Vinnie is untouchable. There's not one drummer alive or dead who could pull off the shit he does. Not only are those chops blazing, but to fit any and all ideas and metric modulation played to perfection inside of any time signature is astounding. Vinnie can also get a bit primal in his playing, unlike others in his league. He's Tony Williams, Steve Gadd, Buddy Rich and Jack Dejohnette rolled into one.
The only other drummer I can think of that would have been able to do Vinnies's stuff similarly to how he does it would be young Jeff Porcaro. Back when Jeff was 15-16 years old around 1970-71, Jeff had chops similar to Vinnie 9 years later. Jeff had an absolutely ridiculously quick right foot, and insane left hand chops, doing some pretty crazy technical feats no one else could do at the time. And weirdly enough, one or two years later, he just stopped, and never did the technical stuff again. Just focused on time and groove, and that was it. Maybe that's why he went to all the trouble he did to make Vinnie the star he became in the early 80's, because Vinnie reminded him of himself when he was younger. Off course, Vinnie took it a whole lot further than Jeff did, but they were made of the same material for sure. Early Jeff just sounds like Vinnie.
Colaiuta is one of the greatest who ever lived. I saw him with Zappa and Jeff Beck and he can lay down a fat groove and mean it. Also saw him with Herbie Hancock on Austin City Limits. Simply beautiful
Vinnie goes beyond being a good technical drummer, he has true muscianship, understanding of musical form, legendary site reading abiltiy and can add so much to a song in near perfect time. That is about as good as you can get! That is why he is in such demand, and why he is one of the worlds greatest drummers.
There is a reason Vinnie is asked to play on hundreds of recordings from pop music to fusion and everything in between and the reason is his Musicality which is fenominal compared to all other drummers out there.
So true! I have a couple of favorite artists working with Vinnie and if they take another drummer, I am sad. Even if the other drummer is very famous. Vinnie does things, in which he is irreplacable.
The thing is that Vinnie does a lot of classic licks that other guys like Gadd, Williams, etc. did years ago and Billy does his own thing and created so much stuff that all of the others are learning from. Billy just has a totally unique sound, I think Vinnie is still trying to define himself. I've heard vinnie play and I couldn't tell it was Vinnie, yet when Billy plays, it is identifiable within 2 seconds. It's real hard for people to have a definite sound and style that is unique.
sorry to break it to everybody. Vinnie Colaiuta is the best drummer to have ever walked the planet. He's hired for more sessions than you'd ever imagine. No drummer can be that busy. Check his schedule for cutting Platinum albums on his site. IT"S SICK!
Colaiuta is playing his own melodies over the song melody, he's not inserting things he's practiced for that song, like Weckl would do for instance and Vinnies way more consistant than Cobham. He's creating on the spot, so he's playing 'music' not just playing drums. I don't know how 'displacing the groove' can get boring, especially at Vinnie's level, which is the bar raised to its highest. I haven't heard any drummer who can play with the precision Vinnie does, he nails everything.
Mais uma confirmação de que Mr.Vinnie Colaiuta é um dos melhores, sua percepção musical é sensacional, sua dinâmica é perfeita... Muito Obrigado Vinnie!!!!
When I was 13 years old David Garfield came to my home town of Upland CA and jammed with our local fusion trio at a coffee house a few times. The trio was called Potato Salad (Kurt Doey- Guitar Felix-Bass Dave McNickels- Drums). They played a lot of Karizma tunes like I'm Buzzed, Big Bone, Los Labatomies tunes too. As a young teenager being able to see these guys rip in a coffee house for free was so cool, it spawned my music career! Any body ever heard of 'Potato Salad' the band..'?
vinnie is a balanced muso..a fuck off technical player with an amazing ear to play what the song needs..grooved technicality is what i call it ,as his dynamics are so effective they seem to blend with ease into the numerous compositons he's played on which is why he is in top demand...a comsumet professional without a doubt..thanks 4 the post!!
@cavoglavi I play Gretsch USA Maple drums and I have had nothing but compliments on the sound. They are not as round sounding as say, birch drums or Yamaha, but do have that throaty drum sound that I love. Best sounding drums I've ever owned.
@Gorgalisin oh well, maybe I was too harsh, it's of course great to hear them play jazz and I love when a group has some flavor in their music and suddenly changes it to other flavor!
It's like this, if I like the video, it is added to my favorites list. Anyone can check out what I like. If Vinnie is on a video I like, I add it. But what is frustrating is people saying Vinnie is better than the legendary masters of jazz/fusion. Until he can spit out a recording/video that is, I just can't agree with those that think he is. There are other people other than myself that don't think Vinnie is or better than a legendary jazz/fusion master.
I think we are so lucky to have him with us. Avedis Zildjan once publicly said that he thought Vinnie was the best drummer in the world at the time. So did Mr. Remo (forgot his full name). Masters like Vinnie, they are as successfull and rich as they can get in this business. Corea, Hancock, Beck, Sting apparently love him. What should matter more to a professional musician than that when it comes to making a living? He makes me wanna quit playing and sit in the audience for good, though (lol).
@Oneness100 Fine then, check out Vinnie playing with Jeff Beck recently. At the club in London is a really good one, you can see vids around. Also, him playing with Chick Corea and John Maclaughlin recently was amazing and some of the greatest fusion you'll see.
THANK GOD! Someone who totally, totally gets it! I have theories about why and how the players became better technicians and much, much less interesting musicians (e.g., the rise of rock and jazz curriculuum in music schools churning out proficient, if soulless robots) but don't find 2 many sympathetic ears on this score. My big problem w groove-meisters is their predictability. I mean, after a measure or two one totally gets it & they've nothing left to say that u can't see coming a mile off.
You're a lucky guy then man! Vinnie playing with Jeff, with Tal Wilkenfeld back in 2008 is what I'm talking about. It's a great tour, I happened to catch one of the dates and if you can pick up the gig at Ronnie Scott's I'd advise. Clapton comes up and plays a couple of songs with him. So do Imogen Heap and Joss Stone. But whatever, I think Vinnie's phrasing and unique, diverse approach to drumming is just the absolute top notch. Though I like all the other drummers you mention.
This wasn't a contest of I can play better than they can. from an avid listener, I am listening to what they are playing, the melody, the arrangement, etc. and it is one of those songs/performances that I would listen to a couple of times, but that's about it. It's too bad, but a lot of the newer generation fusion players aren't putting out the same level of quality as the early masters have/are. I have actually played stuff they would have a difficult time playing, but that's not the point.
Get Karizma's album Document. Easily one of the most entertaining albums ever. And this song in particular, as if it wasn't fluid enough, sounds even better there! Still, all the members shine here as they always manage to do! Killer performance!
Thanks for setting us straight Scott... Anyway...Gadd has certain qualities that make him one of the greats. Vinnie, Tony and Bernard Purdie all do or did too. Isn't that what is great about music? There are alot of contributions from many places.
Go check out Vinnie on Ricky Peterson Night Watch (my nickname for the album is "sit back shut up and groove") just playing sick pocket with some occasional metric modulation. There's plenty of space. Please give the man his due. He can play as much or as little as he wants. He can be be a chops monster or a total pocket player. Gadd, Purdie, Porcaro give em all their due but please don't think Vinnie can't just lay down a grove forever if that's whats called for.
@Oneness100 Yay the Vinnie troll is back to continue his legacy! You are adorable! I think I speak on behalf of everybody who came to this video to marvel at superhuman drumming: we love our Vinnie troll!!! Life would not be the same without you. Please continue your amazing legacy and never let anybody's negative opinions keep you from doing what you believe in and what I believe is your sole purpose on Earth: which is being the Vinnie troll!
Respond to this video... They're guessing at the time here trading 4's & 8's at the end of the song, I wouldn't call this performance 'at his best'. A great example pros making it happen though.
He may be busy, but that isn't saying that he is spitting out classic recordings. I am still waiting for a listing of his classic recordings. the only ones that I can say are classic are more pop oriented rather than jazz/fusion oriented.
I watched his solo and I can tell that Vinnie has pretty similar technique as Virgil Donati. Or Virgil has similar technique as Vinnie. Both of them are aliens (humans can't play like that!). They are so much different but they have similar technique. It's so awesome ^^
Well, juanbarros88, I have been practicing playing a groove and adding an extra beat or triplet at any point without thinking, so I know how to displace grooves, it is just a matter of doing when it actually makes sense to do it, but that depends on the song. Trilok Gurtu rails on Vinnie with beat displacement, but he does it and it fits the song, IMO.
I've never thought of Vinnie as being 'better', and I'm sure that most other Vinnie fans don't either. I have never considered Vinnie to be 'better' than Williams or Rich, just different. I don't care about who is better, but I know who I would rather listen to.
@italiarovinata Yep, he is the best and you showing everyone he plays for speaks for itself. Not to mention all the awards he has had so many awards. Everyone in the drumming community is aware of it. I first encountered him when he played for Joni. Also I met Jaco and Pat. He is the world's best, I agree. Technically perfect.
@Oneness100 Your comments are excruciating. Upload your own video. Add something to the world instead of trying to take something away. Or are you satisfied being the cynic? Destructiveness is laziness. Creativity is truth, honesty, bravery. Who are you to put Kyle, Megadeath or Billy Ray down, much less Vinnie? They're brave. They create. I've heard of them, I've never heard of you.
@skinnymoo Steve Gadd has played on more albums than any other drummer and is the most recorded of all time. Despite this i do agree with you, Vinnie is one of the best!!!
Here's the deal from my POV.. Vinnie is a great session player/sideman, that's his background. He can play lots of different styles and yeah, he has done some grooves that have made an impact (Sting Seven Days for example). What I am in conflict with is that some fans put Vinnie at the same level or higher than noted jazz/fusion legends which makes it sound like Vinnie is a better player than those with legendary recodings and awards from jazz mag. where Vinnie doesn't have. OK? Make Sense?
I don't know the level of truthfullness, but there are a lot of pop recordings where the drummer isn't nailing the track and they edit the drum tracks to make them perfect. I haven't heard of any specifics, but I have heard that many, not all, of Vinnie's tracks are edited in post production. I've also seen videos on You Tube where Vinnie's time is fluctuating drastically. I'll dig some up and post the links to them.
One thing that a lot of contemporary drummers miss the point on is that they seem to play to expose their massive amounts of chops, whereas the drummers from the '70's fusion era were playing more WITH the other band members and the song and it seemed much more cohesive. Sometimes Vinnie actually plays the song and doesn't put too much extra, sometimes he is just playing what someone else already did, or he's playing WAY too much and detracts from the actual song. It depends on the gig.
@EsaelPaggin024 I think DooWopDiddler was being sarcastic my friend. These guys haven't had to play a wedding in a long long time. I think Vinnie makes more in a month touring with Sting than I make in a year. :)
Level of creativity? Go to a Trilok Gurtu concert, check out the videos with him and Joe Zawinul and other concerts on TH-cam and catalog of recordings of his and with John McLaughlin. I don't know of anyone that has his level of creativity. The guy is from another solar system. Trilok bends time in such a unique way that is totally musical and not cliche.
Holy shit..I never get tired of listening to Vinnie...he never sounds the same, and his technique, is, well....the best. I'm glad the keyboard player got rid of the corny earring and the pony tail by the way....
The only person who could ever keep pace with Vinnie was Frank Zappa - Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar. Like most ex-FZ musicians, he's struggled to find any musical setting in which he can let rip because he would rip everybody's head off. He has to hold back, contain and protect most bands he's with. His Led Boots with Beck and Wilkenfeld illustrates how he played the other side of the rhythm and Jeff and Tal were just holding on to dear life to get to the end. Gets isolating when you are that musically ahead of your contemporaries - but Zappa gave him the best run for his money...
With Patitucci on bass? Yeah - that was awesome - and all respect to Corea - but not with the intamcy that Vinnie had with Frank through playing in his band? It was a stunning gig though!
@skinnymoo Well actually i believe Bernard Purdie holds the record for most recorded drummer.. But i could be wrong, but your DEFFINATELY right, VINNIE is a MASTER of masters in the drumming world
@HamerD Can you be specific on what recordings, specific grooves, fills on specific jazz/fusion recordings that have been considered at Master Level that were original?
Dude, he did not get lost. Did you ever think there was just no bass written for that part. Why would he play through the whole song which has a lot more complex parts in terms of timing flawlessly and then get lost in a part like at 7:00. Vinnie's playing by himself there and you can clearly here the beginning of the beat. He definitley didn't get lost.
Titles are given by the industry. I don't make up the titles, it is just how the music industry describes different types of music. Just like being able to play a latin, funk, etc. Vinnie may be a great drummer, but I don't feel he has been on a classic recording in the genre commonly referred to as jazz/fusion. He may have played with many of the great artists, but I haven't heard a recording with him that I would listen to over and over and feel it was classic playing.
Gadd been busy since the '70s and his catalog is priceless. Let's see some of Vinnie's more popular recordings. It's actually quite amusing. Glen Campbell, Backstreet Boys, Kyle Eastwood, Billy Ray Cirus, Boyz 2 Men. Yeah, Vinnie has been on a lot of albums, but a lot of them went no where, some are more commercial pop and only a few that standout, but none are that notable as a classic recording. Sorry, I just don't see a big list of classic recordings in the jazz/fusion realm.
i just spent half of this song reading all of these comments on legends and what not. just letting you know, no one you have named or mentioned, typed or critiqued, edified or lowered is either enjoying their riches or making dvds of their works to be obtained and uploaded on youtube. so....everyone chill out. its almost like you are sucking up to whoever your favorite is. they have never heard of you. just listen to the blasted song or make your own. jeez!
I've seen him fluctuate time with Jeff Beck videos several times. Sorry, but it does happen with some of the best drummers as you suggested. I do understand beat displacement, polyrhythms, etc. as I have been listening and studying what guys like Williams, Gadd, Cobham, Trilok Gurtu have done for years and I feel they do it better and more soulful and their playing with the music fits. IMO, Trilok does it much better.
@HamerD I've heard Secrets. It wasn't a that much of a classic recording. It might be one of Allan Holdsworth's better solo CDs, but I didn't hear much in the way of decent melody lines throughout the entire CD, it seemed just a bunch of technically good players playing chops and that's about it. I liked Allan Holdsworth with Tony William LIfetime, I think the songs were better and the players were playing the songs together rather than the indescriminant chops playing, which gets REAL old.
@Oneness100 Although you clearly have a valid opinion, I can't believe anyone here with an ounce of knowledge would dismiss your viewpoint, I don't really accept your point that Vinnie overplays. For me, fusion drumming should use Tony as the be all and end all example; and Vinnie is basically the closest man alive to Tony. If you are going to judge him on how much he plays, then I guess I can't argue because he does put his drumming forward heavily in fusion playing (not in studio)
@skinnymoo no, i see where he's coming from. obviously, he's wrong, but if you just skim the surface of artists and don't go into too much depth, you don't really see vinnie do as much pocket and groove stuff as say, zoro, bernard purdie or steve gadd, just sort crazy time signature stuff with karizma and jing chi. the kid just need to see some of his stuff with sting and chaka khan.
Like him or not....Vinnie is untouchable. There's not one drummer alive or dead who could pull off the shit he does. Not only are those chops blazing, but to fit any and all ideas and metric modulation played to perfection inside of any time signature is astounding. Vinnie can also get a bit primal in his playing, unlike others in his league. He's Tony Williams, Steve Gadd, Buddy Rich and Jack Dejohnette rolled into one.
Weckl could do it and make it more musically interesting IMO, but i respect Vinnie's jazz chops for sure
Sorry...Weckl is too mechanical,cold ....Colaiuta aside from his chops,is “Versatility” in one man...Look at his discography.Incomparable.
The only other drummer I can think of that would have been able to do Vinnies's stuff similarly to how he does it would be young Jeff Porcaro. Back when Jeff was 15-16 years old around 1970-71, Jeff had chops similar to Vinnie 9 years later. Jeff had an absolutely ridiculously quick right foot, and insane left hand chops, doing some pretty crazy technical feats no one else could do at the time. And weirdly enough, one or two years later, he just stopped, and never did the technical stuff again. Just focused on time and groove, and that was it. Maybe that's why he went to all the trouble he did to make Vinnie the star he became in the early 80's, because Vinnie reminded him of himself when he was younger. Off course, Vinnie took it a whole lot further than Jeff did, but they were made of the same material for sure. Early Jeff just sounds like Vinnie.
It's not 1993 anymore, check out Justin Brown, Marcus Gilmore, Eric Harland...
@@abysssss They could play the same thing and both sound prefect yet different. Legends!
Colaiuta is one of the greatest who ever lived. I saw him with Zappa and Jeff Beck and he can lay down a fat groove and mean it. Also saw him with Herbie Hancock on Austin City Limits. Simply beautiful
Thankfully Vinnie is still well & very much alive ! Monster drummer !
Vinnie goes beyond being a good technical drummer, he has true muscianship, understanding of musical form, legendary site reading abiltiy and can add so much to a song in near perfect time. That is about as good as you can get! That is why he is in such demand, and why he is one of the worlds greatest drummers.
There is a reason Vinnie is asked to play on hundreds of recordings from pop music to fusion and everything in between and the reason is his Musicality which is fenominal compared to all other drummers out there.
So true! I have a couple of favorite artists working with Vinnie and if they take another drummer, I am sad. Even if the other drummer is very famous. Vinnie does things, in which he is irreplacable.
The thing is that Vinnie does a lot of classic licks that other guys like Gadd, Williams, etc. did years ago and Billy does his own thing and created so much stuff that all of the others are learning from. Billy just has a totally unique sound, I think Vinnie is still trying to define himself. I've heard vinnie play and I couldn't tell it was Vinnie, yet when Billy plays, it is identifiable within 2 seconds. It's real hard for people to have a definite sound and style that is unique.
Oh Vinnie, Vinnie...now, it's personal.
Oh my God, Vinnie is a Monster! :)
Maestro, maestro, maestro y maestro. Master, master, master and master.
sorry to break it to everybody. Vinnie Colaiuta is the best drummer to have ever walked the planet. He's hired for more sessions than you'd ever imagine. No drummer can be that busy. Check his schedule for cutting Platinum albums on his site. IT"S SICK!
Vincenzo is an Alien :), nice title, this guy is from another galaxy.
Colaiuta is playing his own melodies over the song melody, he's not inserting things he's practiced for that song, like Weckl would do for instance and Vinnies way more consistant than Cobham. He's creating on the spot, so he's playing 'music' not just playing drums.
I don't know how 'displacing the groove' can get boring, especially at Vinnie's level, which is the bar raised to its highest.
I haven't heard any drummer who can play with the precision Vinnie does, he nails everything.
Vinnie can sub for ANYONE...
nobody can do what he does...
Best Drummer Ever
vinnie you is awesome!
Mais uma confirmação de que Mr.Vinnie Colaiuta é um dos melhores, sua percepção musical é sensacional, sua dinâmica é perfeita...
Muito Obrigado Vinnie!!!!
Vinnie is too complex for some people, Zappa created a monster with this man!
Amen!!😂👍
He was a monster before Zappa. How do you think he got the gig?
Love this clip! Love Vinnie!
All i want for Christmas is Vinnie’s flow.🌊🎅🏽
Neil Stubenhaus tying together all the beautiful madness, he really is something else. Great, just great
Согласен! 100%
When I was 13 years old David Garfield came to my home town of Upland CA and jammed with our local fusion trio at a coffee house a few times. The trio was called Potato Salad (Kurt Doey- Guitar Felix-Bass Dave McNickels- Drums). They played a lot of Karizma tunes like I'm Buzzed, Big Bone, Los Labatomies tunes too. As a young teenager being able to see these guys rip in a coffee house for free was so cool, it spawned my music career! Any body ever heard of 'Potato Salad' the band..'?
vinnie è semplicemente fantastico ;)
esta de puta madre!! a colaiuta hay que hacerle un monumento, es un verdadero genio de la bateria
GREAT BAND, GREAT MUSICIANS. VERY UNIQUE AND SO INTERESTING MUSIC.
vinnie is a balanced muso..a fuck off technical player with an amazing ear to play what the song needs..grooved technicality is what i call it ,as his dynamics are so effective they seem to blend with ease into the numerous compositons he's played on which is why he is in top demand...a comsumet professional without a doubt..thanks 4 the post!!
Best drummer of all time.No one combines everything he did all at once.
VInnie!!!! Stubenhaus (one of THE greatest!) gets lost after Vinnies solo bars at 06:54.
Stacks of textures and blinding speed=The Alien
he's just so good...wow
i would love to see that concert
Vinnie is consistently fucking unbelievable - Jaysus!
@cavoglavi I play Gretsch USA Maple drums and I have had nothing but compliments on the sound. They are not as round sounding as say, birch drums or Yamaha, but do have that throaty drum sound that I love. Best sounding drums I've ever owned.
Vinnie definitively my favorite drummer
@Gorgalisin oh well, maybe I was too harsh, it's of course great to hear them play jazz and I love when a group has some flavor in their music and suddenly changes it to other flavor!
yeah thank u for that
OMG!! Vinnie !!!!
It's like this, if I like the video, it is added to my favorites list. Anyone can check out what I like. If Vinnie is on a video I like, I add it.
But what is frustrating is people saying Vinnie is better than the legendary masters of jazz/fusion. Until he can spit out a recording/video that is, I just can't agree with those that think he is. There are other people other than myself that don't think Vinnie is or better than a legendary jazz/fusion master.
Mike - I believe thomas even took a few lessons from Vinnie. It's hard not to be influenced by his playing!
I hear ya, man. Irony is so hard to decipher when things are written, rather than spoken.
I think we are so lucky to have him with us. Avedis Zildjan once publicly said that he thought Vinnie was the best drummer in the world at the time. So did Mr. Remo (forgot his full name). Masters like Vinnie, they are as successfull and rich as they can get in this business. Corea, Hancock, Beck, Sting apparently love him. What should matter more to a professional musician than that when it comes to making a living?
He makes me wanna quit playing and sit in the audience for good, though (lol).
Until now never heard the Actual proof influence in this composition... Nice!
@Oneness100 Check out a CD by Allan Holdsworth called 'Secrets'
@Oneness100 Fine then, check out Vinnie playing with Jeff Beck recently. At the club in London is a really good one, you can see vids around. Also, him playing with Chick Corea and John Maclaughlin recently was amazing and some of the greatest fusion you'll see.
THANK GOD! Someone who totally, totally gets it! I have theories about why and how the players became better technicians and much, much less interesting musicians (e.g., the rise of rock and jazz curriculuum in music schools churning out proficient, if soulless robots) but don't find 2 many sympathetic ears on this score. My big problem w groove-meisters is their predictability. I mean, after a measure or two one totally gets it & they've nothing left to say that u can't see coming a mile off.
You're a lucky guy then man! Vinnie playing with Jeff, with Tal Wilkenfeld back in 2008 is what I'm talking about. It's a great tour, I happened to catch one of the dates and if you can pick up the gig at Ronnie Scott's I'd advise. Clapton comes up and plays a couple of songs with him. So do Imogen Heap and Joss Stone.
But whatever, I think Vinnie's phrasing and unique, diverse approach to drumming is just the absolute top notch. Though I like all the other drummers you mention.
the fill at 6:27 is sooooooooooo tasteful
nice to break it up with some space before he goes on another all out onslaught HAHAHA
GREATEST DRUMMER!!!!
This wasn't a contest of I can play better than they can. from an avid listener, I am listening to what they are playing, the melody, the arrangement, etc. and it is one of those songs/performances that I would listen to a couple of times, but that's about it. It's too bad, but a lot of the newer generation fusion players aren't putting out the same level of quality as the early masters have/are. I have actually played stuff they would have a difficult time playing, but that's not the point.
Get Karizma's album Document. Easily one of the most entertaining albums ever. And this song in particular, as if it wasn't fluid enough, sounds even better there!
Still, all the members shine here as they always manage to do! Killer performance!
He played with Sting in the "Soul Cages" world tour from 1992 and after that was invited to stay for the next album "The Summoner's Tales" from 1993.
The best evere.....as usual :D ^_^
Thanks for setting us straight Scott...
Anyway...Gadd has certain qualities that make him one of the greats. Vinnie, Tony and Bernard Purdie all do or did too.
Isn't that what is great about music? There are alot of contributions from many places.
Go check out Vinnie on Ricky Peterson Night Watch (my nickname for the album is "sit back shut up and groove") just playing sick pocket with some occasional metric modulation. There's plenty of space. Please give the man his due. He can play as much or as little as he wants. He can be be a chops monster or a total pocket player. Gadd, Purdie, Porcaro give em all their due but please don't think Vinnie can't just lay down a grove forever if that's whats called for.
vinnie,the best.
Sim, pra vida toda!!!
@Oneness100 Yay the Vinnie troll is back to continue his legacy! You are adorable! I think I speak on behalf of everybody who came to this video to marvel at superhuman drumming: we love our Vinnie troll!!! Life would not be the same without you. Please continue your amazing legacy and never let anybody's negative opinions keep you from doing what you believe in and what I believe is your sole purpose on Earth: which is being the Vinnie troll!
vinnie: por siempre el mejor!!!!!!!
If you haven't heard Vinnie play, you probably don't listen to music!
Vinnie = pure genius.
Respond to this video...
They're guessing at the time here trading 4's & 8's at the end of the song, I wouldn't call this performance 'at his best'.
A great example pros making it happen though.
He may be busy, but that isn't saying that he is spitting out classic recordings.
I am still waiting for a listing of his classic recordings. the only ones that I can say are classic are more pop oriented rather than jazz/fusion oriented.
Good Lord... Respect...
I watched his solo and I can tell that Vinnie has pretty similar technique as Virgil Donati. Or Virgil has similar technique as Vinnie. Both of them are aliens (humans can't play like that!). They are so much different but they have similar technique. It's so awesome ^^
Well, juanbarros88, I have been practicing playing a groove and adding an extra beat or triplet at any point without thinking, so I know how to displace grooves, it is just a matter of doing when it actually makes sense to do it, but that depends on the song. Trilok Gurtu rails on Vinnie with beat displacement, but he does it and it fits the song, IMO.
I've never thought of Vinnie as being 'better', and I'm sure that most other Vinnie fans don't either. I have never considered Vinnie to be 'better' than Williams or Rich, just different. I don't care about who is better, but I know who I would rather listen to.
🔥🙌🏻
fantastico muito bom..
@italiarovinata Yep, he is the best and you showing everyone he plays for speaks for itself. Not to mention all the awards he has had so many awards. Everyone in the drumming community is aware of it. I first encountered him when he played for Joni. Also
I met Jaco and Pat. He is the world's best, I agree. Technically perfect.
Wooh!
Vinnie is Dirty Harry playing drums! Killing! Just saying'... ;-)
dios mio....dios mio....! que cosas!
@Oneness100 Your comments are excruciating. Upload your own video. Add something to the world instead of trying to take something away. Or are you satisfied being the cynic? Destructiveness is laziness. Creativity is truth, honesty, bravery. Who are you to put Kyle, Megadeath or Billy Ray down, much less Vinnie? They're brave. They create. I've heard of them, I've never heard of you.
@skinnymoo Steve Gadd has played on more albums than any other drummer and is the most recorded of all time. Despite this i do agree with you, Vinnie is one of the best!!!
Here's the deal from my POV.. Vinnie is a great session player/sideman, that's his background. He can play lots of different styles and yeah, he has done some grooves that have made an impact (Sting Seven Days for example). What I am in conflict with is that some fans put Vinnie at the same level or higher than noted jazz/fusion legends which makes it sound like Vinnie is a better player than those with legendary recodings and awards from jazz mag. where Vinnie doesn't have. OK? Make Sense?
I don't know the level of truthfullness, but there are a lot of pop recordings where the drummer isn't nailing the track and they edit the drum tracks to make them perfect. I haven't heard of any specifics, but I have heard that many, not all, of Vinnie's tracks are edited in post production. I've also seen videos on You Tube where Vinnie's time is fluctuating drastically. I'll dig some up and post the links to them.
He played with Jeff Beck and Tal Wilkenfeld. Good stuff.
Not my favorite drummer, but definitivly one of the greatest of the world...
que mostro!!
Holy cow.
Neil Stubenhaus in at 01:25 !!! So tight that it is insane !!
heelll yeeah
One thing that a lot of contemporary drummers miss the point on is that they seem to play to expose their massive amounts of chops, whereas the drummers from the '70's fusion era were playing more WITH the other band members and the song and it seemed much more cohesive. Sometimes Vinnie actually plays the song and doesn't put too much extra, sometimes he is just playing what someone else already did, or he's playing WAY too much and detracts from the actual song. It depends on the gig.
@EsaelPaggin024 I think DooWopDiddler was being sarcastic my friend. These guys haven't had to play a wedding in a long long time. I think Vinnie makes more in a month touring with Sting than I make in a year. :)
well said
Level of creativity? Go to a Trilok Gurtu concert, check out the videos with him and Joe Zawinul and other concerts on TH-cam and catalog of recordings of his and with John McLaughlin. I don't know of anyone that has his level of creativity. The guy is from another solar system. Trilok bends time in such a unique way that is totally musical and not cliche.
Holy shit..I never get tired of listening to Vinnie...he never sounds the same, and his technique, is, well....the best. I'm glad the keyboard player got rid of the corny earring and the pony tail by the way....
It is written in the partiture.
There are no mistakes.
The only person who could ever keep pace with Vinnie was Frank Zappa - Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar. Like most ex-FZ musicians, he's struggled to find any musical setting in which he can let rip because he would rip everybody's head off. He has to hold back, contain and protect most bands he's with. His Led Boots with Beck and Wilkenfeld illustrates how he played the other side of the rhythm and Jeff and Tal were just holding on to dear life to get to the end. Gets isolating when you are that musically ahead of your contemporaries - but Zappa gave him the best run for his money...
+strav12 You must not have heard Vinnie play with Chick Corea. ;-)
With Patitucci on bass? Yeah - that was awesome - and all respect to Corea - but not with the intamcy that Vinnie had with Frank through playing in his band? It was a stunning gig though!
Goynes42 Or Alan Holdsworth's secrets record!
I don't know about that; Alan Holdsworth and Herbie Hancock come to mind.
@skinnymoo Well actually i believe Bernard Purdie holds the record for most recorded drummer.. But i could be wrong, but your DEFFINATELY right, VINNIE is a MASTER of masters in the drumming world
Have you heard Document? Live at Ronnie's with jefff beck? or you think that classical is whet is selling more?
@HamerD Can you be specific on what recordings, specific grooves, fills on specific jazz/fusion recordings that have been considered at Master Level that were original?
This band played at my cousins wedding. But nobody danced.
Keyboardist is the only one that can keep with vinnie
Dude, he did not get lost. Did you ever think there was just no bass written for that part. Why would he play through the whole song which has a lot more complex parts in terms of timing flawlessly and then get lost in a part like at 7:00. Vinnie's playing by himself there and you can clearly here the beginning of the beat. He definitley didn't get lost.
Titles are given by the industry. I don't make up the titles, it is just how the music industry describes different types of music. Just like being able to play a latin, funk, etc. Vinnie may be a great drummer, but I don't feel he has been on a classic recording in the genre commonly referred to as jazz/fusion. He may have played with many of the great artists, but I haven't heard a recording with him that I would listen to over and over and feel it was classic playing.
Gadd been busy since the '70s and his catalog is priceless.
Let's see some of Vinnie's more popular recordings. It's actually quite amusing.
Glen Campbell, Backstreet Boys, Kyle Eastwood, Billy Ray Cirus, Boyz 2 Men. Yeah, Vinnie has been on a lot of albums, but a lot of them went no where, some are more commercial pop and only a few that standout, but none are that notable as a classic recording. Sorry, I just don't see a big list of classic recordings in the jazz/fusion realm.
i just spent half of this song reading all of these comments on legends and what not. just letting you know, no one you have named or mentioned, typed or critiqued, edified or lowered is either enjoying their riches or making dvds of their works to be obtained and uploaded on youtube. so....everyone chill out. its almost like you are sucking up to whoever your favorite is. they have never heard of you. just listen to the blasted song or make your own. jeez!
love vinnie's phrasing at 6:13
I've seen him fluctuate time with Jeff Beck videos several times. Sorry, but it does happen with some of the best drummers as you suggested. I do understand beat displacement, polyrhythms, etc. as I have been listening and studying what guys like Williams, Gadd, Cobham, Trilok Gurtu have done for years and I feel they do it better and more soulful and their playing with the music fits. IMO, Trilok does it much better.
@HamerD I've heard Secrets. It wasn't a that much of a classic recording. It might be one of Allan Holdsworth's better solo CDs, but I didn't hear much in the way of decent melody lines throughout the entire CD, it seemed just a bunch of technically good players playing chops and that's about it. I liked Allan Holdsworth with Tony William LIfetime, I think the songs were better and the players were playing the songs together rather than the indescriminant chops playing, which gets REAL old.
For what it's worth, Lars Ulrich can't hold a candle to this guy. That doesn't make Lars Ulrich a bad drummer. Vinnie is just the goods.
@Oneness100 Although you clearly have a valid opinion, I can't believe anyone here with an ounce of knowledge would dismiss your viewpoint, I don't really accept your point that Vinnie overplays. For me, fusion drumming should use Tony as the be all and end all example; and Vinnie is basically the closest man alive to Tony.
If you are going to judge him on how much he plays, then I guess I can't argue because he does put his drumming forward heavily in fusion playing (not in studio)
@skinnymoo no, i see where he's coming from. obviously, he's wrong, but if you just skim the surface of artists and don't go into too much depth, you don't really see vinnie do as much pocket and groove stuff as say, zoro, bernard purdie or steve gadd, just sort crazy time signature stuff with karizma and jing chi. the kid just need to see some of his stuff with sting and chaka khan.