This is a special flavor of fun. Great times. Interesting insights. I can see Xavier holding back the whole time Brad gives his Lynx review. Enjoy the down home feel of the video.
Lynx agility comes with time, it only feels heavy when you are not used to it, I have both Lynx and S22 and the S22 almost feels like a toy now 😅 top out sound depends on how much pre-load you have, if you feel the algorithm is off make sure the wheel is calibrated makes a big difference. Changing oil and seals is very easy. I'm the guy making those files, you're welcome. 😊
I'm pretty sure the calibration was fine. A few days ago, I was teaching another Lynx rider to lean in berms and the issue was the same, unpredictable behaviour.
Merci pour cette vidéo et vos impressions sur la Lynx. Apparemment tu la trouves un peu raide en suspension. Sais-tu quels étaient les ressorts montés sur celle que tu as essayée?
Yeah, the weight goes away with time. Came from S22 to Lynx. 500km on Lynx and weight is gone. Even though I feel like I am going slower on corners with Lynx than what I did on S22 it is just the feeling. My times on my favorite trail are 25-30% better than S22. On group rides I was pushing S22 to catch up, on Lynx often I need to wait until some people catch up. Feels slow and heavy but cruises, corners and jumps like a beast. It is like S22 is Honda Civic revving and popping and VTec feeling fast while going 100km/h, while someone passes you on Lexus LS just going back home from work (which is Lynx) at 180 km/h and doing 0-100 in 6 seconds. Clonking sound is in shocks internally. Nothing loose, with small preload they just do that. More viscous oil or more preload lowers the clonking sound.
The shells on the lynx are perfectly parallel. Its your pad set-up that bows your legs out. For the lighter guy, you just need a different spring rating. Suspension Maintenance is basically not needed. ShermanS has been around for ever now, and its perfect. But if something has to be done, its easy once you understood it The lynx is indeed top heavy. Coukd be fixed with a pedal lowering kit. Your pedal behavior in berms looks like the wheel is not calibrated.
I already bottomed out the wheel on a medium impact so I doubt that a lighter spring rating would be a good option. And the wheel was properly calibrated, note that I tend to lean more than most in the turns.
Yea I've seen that. Does not make any sense at all. I can't explain your bottoming out, even the ShermanS didn't bottom out while jumping, even though it doesn't have the progressive spring
@@chapeauxderoue343 I'm ~80kg in full gear. I have the pedal lowering bracket which helps a lot with stability in my opinion and have the grizzla pads, with the extended jump toehooks which work way better then the stock one. Pedals with proper studs made a big difference for control on rough trails compared to the stock pedals imo. Maintenance on the shocks is pretty simple. If you have ever done maintenance on a coil front-fork MTB its the exact same mechanisms just minus the bit connecting the sides. They've been using the same suspension setup since the Sherman-S just moving to the Progressive springs. Its about 10k km service interval or if it starts leaking. The oil seals are a standard size also used on other motorcycle forks. $15 for a quart of oil and $5 in seals, but make sure you use gloves during service. Plenty of guides on it since you can easily take the suspension from a Patton or Sherman-S and replace the springs with progressives ones to help with bottoming out compared to the original linear springs.
What was the suspension weight of the lynx you rode ? You say you are light, how light ? Gros skill sur les sauts, ça se voit que tu fais ça depuis longtemps haha
Thanks for the trustworthy impressions (from a proper off road rider) . There're so hard to come by. If Kingsong made a large wheel (say 26-29" like a mountain bike), hi torque, off road euc would you be interested in that?
Absolutely not. Because of physics, the larger the wheel the less torque. These are not bike. They’re closer to a dirtbike actually and the rear rim on a dirtbike is 18 or 19” and they have much more power than an EUC of course so the 12 and 14” rim on an EUC is the sweet spot. 12” (16” wheel) will always have more torque and be better for BMX style stuff but the 14” rim(18” wheel) is better for strictly downhill mountain bike stuff. A 26-29” EUC would have absolutely no torque regardless of how powerful the motor is and you wouldn’t be able to turn the thing. A 16” is more nimble and a 18” is more stable because of physics. With all this said, a 17” wheel(13” rim) would be the ideal do all offroad wheel…would be the sweet spot for torque, nimbleness, and stability. The problem is, there aren’t any tires made for that size of rim. If you aren’t riding trails faster than Xavier and hitting bigger jumps I would just buy one of the wheels currently offered and worry about getting better at riding for now haha
Very much. We just need someone to DIY it, but there are like 0 good diy euc parts like mainboard & body. Give it a few years; people are trying, the first open source EUC VESC got done a few days ago
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This is a special flavor of fun. Great times. Interesting insights. I can see Xavier holding back the whole time Brad gives his Lynx review. Enjoy the down home feel of the video.
Thanks buddy ! it was great riding with you
Lynx agility comes with time, it only feels heavy when you are not used to it, I have both Lynx and S22 and the S22 almost feels like a toy now 😅 top out sound depends on how much pre-load you have, if you feel the algorithm is off make sure the wheel is calibrated makes a big difference. Changing oil and seals is very easy. I'm the guy making those files, you're welcome. 😊
I'm pretty sure the calibration was fine. A few days ago, I was teaching another Lynx rider to lean in berms and the issue was the same, unpredictable behaviour.
Thank you for the entertainment!
Always my pleasure 🎩
Good to see you guys enjoying trails and dissecting these new wheels. Loved the Cowboy Beboy soundtrack at the end ;)
Glad you liked the ending !
Impressed by the quality of your content every time! You are excellent on the wheel and at the computer prepping the videos.
Thanks Roger, I'm very pleased you enjoy my videos ;)
great video I felt like I was there in Tennessee!
Awesome video buddy!
Thanks ! The whole trip was awesome
The Lynx is better than the s22!
Merci pour cette vidéo et vos impressions sur la Lynx. Apparemment tu la trouves un peu raide en suspension. Sais-tu quels étaient les ressorts montés sur celle que tu as essayée?
Je crois bien que c'était la version 66
Yeah, the weight goes away with time. Came from S22 to Lynx. 500km on Lynx and weight is gone. Even though I feel like I am going slower on corners with Lynx than what I did on S22 it is just the feeling. My times on my favorite trail are 25-30% better than S22. On group rides I was pushing S22 to catch up, on Lynx often I need to wait until some people catch up. Feels slow and heavy but cruises, corners and jumps like a beast. It is like S22 is Honda Civic revving and popping and VTec feeling fast while going 100km/h, while someone passes you on Lexus LS just going back home from work (which is Lynx) at 180 km/h and doing 0-100 in 6 seconds.
Clonking sound is in shocks internally. Nothing loose, with small preload they just do that. More viscous oil or more preload lowers the clonking sound.
actually changing the oil and swapping out. the springs are pretty easy and there tutorials out there. check out two cells one pack
I love my lynx. Not a fan of seated riding atm. I had a master which was effortless to ride seated. I'm not used to the lynx at all.
Great video dude! Always awesome to get to ride together!!
Yes ! Till next time ;)
😂😂😂😂😂 ok guy's 👍🏾👍🏾
The shells on the lynx are perfectly parallel. Its your pad set-up that bows your legs out.
For the lighter guy, you just need a different spring rating.
Suspension Maintenance is basically not needed. ShermanS has been around for ever now, and its perfect. But if something has to be done, its easy once you understood it
The lynx is indeed top heavy. Coukd be fixed with a pedal lowering kit.
Your pedal behavior in berms looks like the wheel is not calibrated.
I already bottomed out the wheel on a medium impact so I doubt that a lighter spring rating would be a good option. And the wheel was properly calibrated, note that I tend to lean more than most in the turns.
Yea I've seen that. Does not make any sense at all. I can't explain your bottoming out, even the ShermanS didn't bottom out while jumping, even though it doesn't have the progressive spring
@@chapeauxderoue343 I'm ~80kg in full gear. I have the pedal lowering bracket which helps a lot with stability in my opinion and have the grizzla pads, with the extended jump toehooks which work way better then the stock one. Pedals with proper studs made a big difference for control on rough trails compared to the stock pedals imo.
Maintenance on the shocks is pretty simple. If you have ever done maintenance on a coil front-fork MTB its the exact same mechanisms just minus the bit connecting the sides. They've been using the same suspension setup since the Sherman-S just moving to the Progressive springs. Its about 10k km service interval or if it starts leaking. The oil seals are a standard size also used on other motorcycle forks. $15 for a quart of oil and $5 in seals, but make sure you use gloves during service. Plenty of guides on it since you can easily take the suspension from a Patton or Sherman-S and replace the springs with progressives ones to help with bottoming out compared to the original linear springs.
I’d like to see your street review.
Nerd
What was the suspension weight of the lynx you rode ? You say you are light, how light ? Gros skill sur les sauts, ça se voit que tu fais ça depuis longtemps haha
merci :) c'était une 66lbs
awesome video, im loving my s22!
Thanks for the trustworthy impressions (from a proper off road rider) . There're so hard to come by.
If Kingsong made a large wheel (say 26-29" like a mountain bike), hi torque, off road euc would you be interested in that?
Absolutely not. Because of physics, the larger the wheel the less torque. These are not bike. They’re closer to a dirtbike actually and the rear rim on a dirtbike is 18 or 19” and they have much more power than an EUC of course so the 12 and 14” rim on an EUC is the sweet spot. 12” (16” wheel) will always have more torque and be better for BMX style stuff but the 14” rim(18” wheel) is better for strictly downhill mountain bike stuff. A 26-29” EUC would have absolutely no torque regardless of how powerful the motor is and you wouldn’t be able to turn the thing. A 16” is more nimble and a 18” is more stable because of physics.
With all this said, a 17” wheel(13” rim) would be the ideal do all offroad wheel…would be the sweet spot for torque, nimbleness, and stability. The problem is, there aren’t any tires made for that size of rim.
If you aren’t riding trails faster than Xavier and hitting bigger jumps I would just buy one of the wheels currently offered and worry about getting better at riding for now haha
Very much. We just need someone to DIY it, but there are like 0 good diy euc parts like mainboard & body. Give it a few years; people are trying, the first open source EUC VESC got done a few days ago