@@francis_0077 tbf, I think cloud still does fine against sonic, it's just that aegis might just be sonic's worst matchup (and idk spargo may simply like that matchup better)
Terry and Cloud cover everything Kazuya and Cloud would. I say this because I miss the Terry and Kazuya is meh to watch. It's working for Riddles, obviously, and that's cool. But his Terry is much cooler 🤣
It's kinda interesting how much better Cloud got post quarantine just from a combination of good buffs and having a pretty good matchup spread against the DLC.
Those buffs rly went a long way. Cloud was always a decent char but not being able to kill sucks hard when youre rly easy to kill. Now the extra threat of upsmash and dash atk make it wayyyy easier to find kills, not to mention the other buffs
Your Cloud has potential. The only big thing to point out is you seemed to not keep an eye on your limit meter. There were many points when you could have recovered if you had charged limit, but you did a basic Up-B, air-dodge, or simply didn't react at all. Limit-Break recovery on Cloud is busted, take advantage of it when you can.
And you use the best alt, too. Only criticism is that you gotta keep an eye on Limit when you're offstage so you can do a clutch Limit up-B, but other than that, being good with Cloud is right up your alley. Make your unapologetic Cloud main sister proud!
Started using Cloud as my main as soon as I got ultimate. Never played Smash 4 and absolutely love FFVII so I was mostly playing him for the pure joy of it in spite of the complaints from some about him being nerfed. After a while I realized I didn't even really want to play anyone else because he's just GOOD. Then Sparg0 came along and showed he's still more than viable.
I just started to pick up cloud to help with my character crisis. I still Main Marth/Lucina, but in this meta they don’t do as well as Cloud does vs FP2 imo. It’s great to see one of my fave players pick up the character as well. I REALLY cant wait to see Riddles Cloud in bracket
Love the cloud, looking good. As a cloud main, whenever you get launched out, like at 8:50 , always check your limit. You weren't dead like you said. Had plenty of time to charge and up b back.
DUDE I was listening to "Devils never cry", paused the song, clicked on the video, was confused af and was thinking if i hadn't paused it and then realised that it was in the video LMAO
@@ashfallen1 But Cloud is a mid tier or at least low high tier at best. He has too many weaknesses to ever be considered a true Top Tier in any capacity.
I recall when Riddles was just playing the bellmonts not well known and Dabuz said hes gonna become a top player. Years later….now they are on the same team. Madness
As a cloud main im all for this. Also something i do when im hanging from ledge and im against a character around snakes height is i jump get up into down air and i doink their head as im getting back onstage and it kills very often at high % and in some cases maybe against like mario or isabelle it wont reach them so like around 12:39 it wouldnt have worked bc snake was kneeling
The first requirement to wether I’ll try a character or not is if their dash attack kills at a respectable percent. I’m proud to say cloud is in there.
I personally love playing pyra mythra, not as much fun as cloud but def my second fav char to play rn. Fast combo centric swordie with swap ability is dope, i dont get the hate on them. I guess just cuz theyre broken
Because the character carries the player 9/10 times. You see a lot of tech deprived players flock to aegis for neutral and advantage state. I don't play aegis, but if I hop on quickplay with aegis I feel like if I play well it's hard to lose... as in, the character is pure cheese and, literally, comes with two broken characters. It's dlc and aegis mains, as long as they realize they aren't good 9/10 times spamming side b and nair looking for stray hits then its fine to play aegis. If you're losing stocks with aegis at mid gsp, you're probably trash getting carried by dlc. At the end of the day you're playing dlc for a reason (probably because you have to)
@@tiredofinternetculture No one has to admit anything to you to be allowed to pick a character. They're not the ones who made the character so strong. Plus it's pointless trying to assume why someone plays a character, it'll just invite salt.
@rat bastard admit? Idc if you play anime tiddy perv world aegis; I was just expressing how I feel about the character. Like I said, not everyone can pick up a respectable character and get results/put in the time. I'm not sure what you're getting at but if you can't take a hot take Idk what to tell you. Must've struck a nerve?
@@tiredofinternetculture Admit is the word I used in place of 'realize' which is what you said. I thought you'd understand what I meant because they mean the same thing here. No you haven't struck a nerve what I'm saying is there isn't a good reason to get into all this salty talk about why people play characters or how good they think they are when they do. I do it when I play online sometimes it's just L mentality.
As a Pyra and Mythra main. It is definitely fun to play against people who know how to play against you. People say the character is easy until you figure out none of Pyra's moves are safe on shield ever... So how are they good if they can't get the kill? Plus they can easily be gimped. So it's definitely still fun but most people just like to spam Side B and Up B so it's hard to find respect by others who do not play the character because there are so many bad apples. They either think you are shit at the game if you lose or played a broken character if you win... even though 90% of the time I win against them on Elite Smash even when I play other characters simply because I know how to play against them. I feel like everyone knows how to play against their own main.
I wanna see a Riddles playlist where: Why this character is my new main of everything character he’s better at from training and using against WiFi players: Why Mario is my New Main Why Ganondorf is my New Main Why Incineroar is my New Main Why Pac-Man is my New Main Why Little Mac is my New Main Why Bowser is my New Main Why Wolf is my New Main Why Sephiroth is my New Main Why Joker is my New Main Why Simon is my New Main Why R.O.B. is my New Main Why Sonic is my New Main Why Snake is my New Main Why Hero is my New Main Why Sora is my New Main Why Dr.Mario is my New Main Why Lucina is my New Main Why Pit is my New Main Why DK is my New Main Why K. Rool is my New Main
Inkling and pokemon trainer are still really good in this game. Ivysaur hard counters steve. Although other characters like MK, PKT, Bayo, or even Sora would be decent anti meta picks.
Riddles Cloud goes hard, I would love to see him in bracket Also as a Pyra/Mythra main, I have a lot of fun while playing, though I usually avoid Pyra because she's actually not that great. Mythra combos are super fun to do and they're overall one of the few characters that I really enjoy playing. That being said, I can understand where everyone's coming from when they say that they're just broken and too easy. If you say that though, you gotta edgeguard more
@@leviticusssb3189 Who asked for you to start anything? He's just saying his piece. Anyway IMO this game is sauceless, and Aegis having basically every tool in the game makes the game boring since her only striking weakness is recovery. So since the game itself has no sauce, a character that's just really good can be boring. Joker's the same way, as is Pikachu.
@@colton69420 It's true. This game is designed to be boring since most characters have approximately 3 buttons that are actually consistently useful, and the characters that have more useful buttons than just that are the top tiers. Cloud is actually a perfect example of this; most of his kit is just ok, but his back air alone commands so much of his approach game, his combo game, his punish game, his neutral game, and is a kill move. If you aren't throwing out back air all the time as Cloud, you're playing him wrong.
Riddles cloud suits you completely. You always had good situational awareness and nasty punish skill. Youd give spargo a run for his money. Keep charging that limit
Not me making Kazuya content because of riddles, but I mained cloud before kazuya... Cloud is BUSTED. If you have fundies and spacing and a good disadvantage cloud is a DEADLY pocket.
@@dennisswamy7303 it's not about the sword length, cloud just has good frame data, mobility, safe moves, and a projectile. Sephiroth has projectiles but they are laggy, and his sword hits are laggy too, so he might not be very beneficial against like Sonic
@5:28 I wouldn’t agree saying cloud does well against sonic cuss he doesn’t he does better but when Sonic’s running all over you chasing you everywhere I feel like aegis or someone with her speed is better beat him at his own game and be able to keep up with not airtight stuff as opposed to having to space with cloud and then ur fucked as soon as he gets in on you a fast sword I’d say is better than a longer one atleast against Sonic or let’s get serious Sonix cuss he’s gonna get in on you he’s to tricky you can’t space him if you’ve gotta chase him and create openings punishing sonix as a long term strat isn’t gonna pan out when he’s playing hot
@@ashfallen1 nah, I’m just based because palu back air has a lot more than clouds, kill power, combo game, and really safe. I’m not the biased one for losing to random wifi clouds like you dude.
kazuya + cloud combination literally clears all of his problems. hope he sticks to it.
I mean looks like sonic is the problem and spargo a main GOOD clouds uses pyra mythra for it
I think Kazuya + Palutena could work as well
@@francis_0077 tbf, I think cloud still does fine against sonic, it's just that aegis might just be sonic's worst matchup (and idk spargo may simply like that matchup better)
@@andrewrj2123 or sephiroth.
Terry and Cloud cover everything Kazuya and Cloud would. I say this because I miss the Terry and Kazuya is meh to watch. It's working for Riddles, obviously, and that's cool. But his Terry is much cooler 🤣
As a former cloud main that picked up Kazuya because of Riddles, this is my favorite timeline.
I would say same as well but it would sound like I’m lying
@Yeehaw Trooooo
It's kinda interesting how much better Cloud got post quarantine just from a combination of good buffs and having a pretty good matchup spread against the DLC.
Those buffs rly went a long way. Cloud was always a decent char but not being able to kill sucks hard when youre rly easy to kill. Now the extra threat of upsmash and dash atk make it wayyyy easier to find kills, not to mention the other buffs
He got buffed significantly while offline play was down.
thank you Drake & Josh Official TH-cam Channel
pretty sure the only DLC he loses to are joker and sephiroth
Ever since I saw that Left Cloud vs. Right Cloud video, I now see it whenever I watch this character…
WhyDo and his tech has been a disaster for the human race
NOOO DONT HERE MAN XD
after what was said on tweek talks, this makes a lot of sense. Riddles with a secondary that covers all his matchups is going to be insane
I honestly think cloud is the perfect secondary for a TON of characters
Your Cloud has potential. The only big thing to point out is you seemed to not keep an eye on your limit meter. There were many points when you could have recovered if you had charged limit, but you did a basic Up-B, air-dodge, or simply didn't react at all. Limit-Break recovery on Cloud is busted, take advantage of it when you can.
cloud does really well in the current meta he struggles a lot in hypothetical different metas but even then hes an amazing secondary
Would love to see his cloud in bracket as dope as Terry is he just doesn’t solve Kazuya’s problem matchups
But his terry is cracked ngl
And you use the best alt, too. Only criticism is that you gotta keep an eye on Limit when you're offstage so you can do a clutch Limit up-B, but other than that, being good with Cloud is right up your alley. Make your unapologetic Cloud main sister proud!
Started using Cloud as my main as soon as I got ultimate. Never played Smash 4 and absolutely love FFVII so I was mostly playing him for the pure joy of it in spite of the complaints from some about him being nerfed. After a while I realized I didn't even really want to play anyone else because he's just GOOD. Then Sparg0 came along and showed he's still more than viable.
I just started to pick up cloud to help with my character crisis. I still Main Marth/Lucina, but in this meta they don’t do as well as Cloud does vs FP2 imo. It’s great to see one of my fave players pick up the character as well. I REALLY cant wait to see Riddles Cloud in bracket
He asks what do you do? Nairo enters the chat.
Love the cloud, looking good.
As a cloud main, whenever you get launched out, like at 8:50 , always check your limit. You weren't dead like you said. Had plenty of time to charge and up b back.
and Nairo is right there calling him mid
Who?
@@JustBrian7 cloud
@@mcrsmash8319 So Cloud is calling Nairo mid? 😮
@@sauce8277 no bro. Nairo is calling Riddles mid 😱
@@ConfusedGeriatric hmmm Maybe it was Cloud was telling Nairo that Riddles was mid?
Man this smash stuff is difficult…..
Would love to see the Riddles Cloud in bracket one day
As a cloud and Terry main, I love this
DUDE I was listening to "Devils never cry", paused the song, clicked on the video, was confused af and was thinking if i hadn't paused it and then realised that it was in the video LMAO
Riddles: "This man is BROKEN!"
Nairo: "Mid."
Nairo is a WIFI BOT these days.
And also cuz he has mad COPIUM for how bad sephiroth sucks.
So he tries to say that cloud is mid when cloud isn’t
@@ashfallen1 But Cloud is a mid tier or at least low high tier at best.
He has too many weaknesses to ever be considered a true Top Tier in any capacity.
@@Nefaliss based.
Full support for keeping a crisp Cloud in your back pocket as a secondary, or tertiary character on counter picks
I recall when Riddles was just playing the bellmonts not well known and Dabuz said hes gonna become a top player. Years later….now they are on the same team. Madness
As a cloud main im all for this. Also something i do when im hanging from ledge and im against a character around snakes height is i jump get up into down air and i doink their head as im getting back onstage and it kills very often at high % and in some cases maybe against like mario or isabelle it wont reach them so like around 12:39 it wouldnt have worked bc snake was kneeling
I love playing cloud and seeing you play him makes me wanna play more smash
I open this video and immediately hear “yes this high tier is better than a top 10 character”
5:10 snake moment. What other character can so ingeniously kill themselves?
The first requirement to wether I’ll try a character or not is if their dash attack kills at a respectable percent. I’m proud to say cloud is in there.
Hey, sonic's dash kills at like 220%. That's reasonable, right?
@@algroc2929 wait sonic has a dash attack?
I fear the day someone discovers something wild with inkling someday in the future
homie really just said cloud is better than kazuya. if nairo finds out💀
He’s delusional. Kazuya is so broken it’s not even funny
@@mcrsmash8319 Did you get taken to FD again?
He is.
@@willycheez7218 delusional af, not even close
Riddles will be back to Roy after he faces sonic again in bracket 😅
Cloud back air is still busted it’s insane
Beat a bunch of noob clouds that nair and up air then face a good cloud that spaces bair= 💔
Simple answer. Because Spargo always kick's Kazuya's butt?
you dont need a secondary when your character doesnt have any losing match ups
I’ve never even seen Sparg0 do some of the stuff you did here. Good stuff
Such as?
*Nairo has joined the chat
Nairo is not gonna be happy about this...
I think it can get a little better but definitely have faith you can do very well in bracket as it is
as a cloud and kazuya main this is the right move
Sold his soul to shinra
Wake up babe riddles introduced his 950th new main
I personally love playing pyra mythra, not as much fun as cloud but def my second fav char to play rn. Fast combo centric swordie with swap ability is dope, i dont get the hate on them. I guess just cuz theyre broken
me too! pymy/cloud ftw 🙌🏼
Because the character carries the player 9/10 times. You see a lot of tech deprived players flock to aegis for neutral and advantage state. I don't play aegis, but if I hop on quickplay with aegis I feel like if I play well it's hard to lose... as in, the character is pure cheese and, literally, comes with two broken characters. It's dlc and aegis mains, as long as they realize they aren't good 9/10 times spamming side b and nair looking for stray hits then its fine to play aegis. If you're losing stocks with aegis at mid gsp, you're probably trash getting carried by dlc. At the end of the day you're playing dlc for a reason (probably because you have to)
@@tiredofinternetculture No one has to admit anything to you to be allowed to pick a character. They're not the ones who made the character so strong. Plus it's pointless trying to assume why someone plays a character, it'll just invite salt.
@rat bastard admit? Idc if you play anime tiddy perv world aegis; I was just expressing how I feel about the character. Like I said, not everyone can pick up a respectable character and get results/put in the time. I'm not sure what you're getting at but if you can't take a hot take Idk what to tell you. Must've struck a nerve?
@@tiredofinternetculture Admit is the word I used in place of 'realize' which is what you said. I thought you'd understand what I meant because they mean the same thing here. No you haven't struck a nerve what I'm saying is there isn't a good reason to get into all this salty talk about why people play characters or how good they think they are when they do. I do it when I play online sometimes it's just L mentality.
you are picking up a MID character
Dabuz playing Snake / Olimar / MinMin is the dark timeline
As a Pyra and Mythra main. It is definitely fun to play against people who know how to play against you. People say the character is easy until you figure out none of Pyra's moves are safe on shield ever... So how are they good if they can't get the kill? Plus they can easily be gimped. So it's definitely still fun but most people just like to spam Side B and Up B so it's hard to find respect by others who do not play the character because there are so many bad apples. They either think you are shit at the game if you lose or played a broken character if you win... even though 90% of the time I win against them on Elite Smash even when I play other characters simply because I know how to play against them. I feel like everyone knows how to play against their own main.
can’t wait for the Sparg0 v Riddles cloud ditto
I wanna see a Riddles playlist where:
Why this character is my new main of everything character he’s better at from training and using against WiFi players:
Why Mario is my New Main
Why Ganondorf is my New Main
Why Incineroar is my New Main
Why Pac-Man is my New Main
Why Little Mac is my New Main
Why Bowser is my New Main
Why Wolf is my New Main
Why Sephiroth is my New Main
Why Joker is my New Main
Why Simon is my New Main
Why R.O.B. is my New Main
Why Sonic is my New Main
Why Snake is my New Main
Why Hero is my New Main
Why Sora is my New Main
Why Dr.Mario is my New Main
Why Lucina is my New Main
Why Pit is my New Main
Why DK is my New Main
Why K. Rool is my New Main
Nairo will hear about your treachery Riddles, Cloud is and will forever be MIIIIIIDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!
I would love to see cloud as a secondary, however the kazuya is honesty my favorite part of watching you! Now to mention the 0-deaths are insane 😂
What song do you use for your outro?
Inkling and pokemon trainer are still really good in this game. Ivysaur hard counters steve. Although other characters like MK, PKT, Bayo, or even Sora would be decent anti meta picks.
This is gonna be interesting
Riddles show your controller in a video, maybe do like a tour of your setup. Trust me that would be epic
Riddles Cloud goes hard, I would love to see him in bracket
Also as a Pyra/Mythra main, I have a lot of fun while playing, though I usually avoid Pyra because she's actually not that great. Mythra combos are super fun to do and they're overall one of the few characters that I really enjoy playing. That being said, I can understand where everyone's coming from when they say that they're just broken and too easy. If you say that though, you gotta edgeguard more
1st off who asked 2nd off carried 3rd off no u 4th off L+Ratio
@@leviticusssb3189 Who asked for you to start anything? He's just saying his piece.
Anyway IMO this game is sauceless, and Aegis having basically every tool in the game makes the game boring since her only striking weakness is recovery. So since the game itself has no sauce, a character that's just really good can be boring. Joker's the same way, as is Pikachu.
@@UltLuigi1 I can’t tell if this is satire
@@leviticusssb3189 Lol, thanks for the input
@@colton69420 It's true. This game is designed to be boring since most characters have approximately 3 buttons that are actually consistently useful, and the characters that have more useful buttons than just that are the top tiers. Cloud is actually a perfect example of this; most of his kit is just ok, but his back air alone commands so much of his approach game, his combo game, his punish game, his neutral game, and is a kill move. If you aren't throwing out back air all the time as Cloud, you're playing him wrong.
Can’t wait for free gsp farm for the next two weeks after people seeing this
Oh shit you right
Riddles cloud suits you completely. You always had good situational awareness and nasty punish skill. Youd give spargo a run for his money. Keep charging that limit
I DEF believe in the Riddles Cloud. If this is what it takes to get you a Major, go for it!!!
Dabuz gotta go higher as snake while recovering
NAIROMK ENTERED THE CHAT
R.I.P Terry 😥
As a terry main, this is sad news
I have a better idea pick up Sephiroth instead of cloud because he has a longer sword.
Sephiroth is worse due to being light, tall, and laggy.
Still sephiroth is a good pick in the current meta
@@Sae23b1 a God pick or a good pick.
@@user-be3qc7re9o true
@@dennisswamy7303 true, my b
Not me making Kazuya content because of riddles, but I mained cloud before kazuya...
Cloud is BUSTED. If you have fundies and spacing and a good disadvantage cloud is a DEADLY pocket.
For sure, and with Kazuya is such a good combination
But what about sephiroth he has a longer sword he could work too if only he wasn't as light as Kirby.
@@dennisswamy7303 it's not about the sword length, cloud just has good frame data, mobility, safe moves, and a projectile. Sephiroth has projectiles but they are laggy, and his sword hits are laggy too, so he might not be very beneficial against like Sonic
@@spinx6100 well I guess your right but again he has super armor on his smash attacks and gains a extra jump in his wing mode.
@@dennisswamy7303 those are good, but are only options when he has the wing, and overall cloud is just a better character
If dabuzz picked up snake that would hype af
Next time you go to Nairo’s it will be so funny if you beat him with Mid
That snake needs to learn how to b reversal
pocket cloud like in Smash 4 who would have thought it would come back
Not even near that good.
Clouds back air is broken.
Waiting to see Mk Leo use Cloud...its gonna happen.
Dmc3 ost n Cloud main.......yeah boiiiii
Link? There aren't many top Link players out there
Yes i second this.Ultimate desperately needs more Links
I am that link
@5:28 I wouldn’t agree saying cloud does well against sonic cuss he doesn’t he does better but when Sonic’s running all over you chasing you everywhere I feel like aegis or someone with her speed is better beat him at his own game and be able to keep up with not airtight stuff as opposed to having to space with cloud and then ur fucked as soon as he gets in on you a fast sword I’d say is better than a longer one atleast against Sonic or let’s get serious Sonix cuss he’s gonna get in on you he’s to tricky you can’t space him if you’ve gotta chase him and create openings punishing sonix as a long term strat isn’t gonna pan out when he’s playing hot
What's next, sephiroth?
Please
11:38 my ass had to rewind to hear it again
Man i wish Sephiroth was Cloud weight, idk why he is pichu weight
Your cloud is insane
The Riddles Cloud is clean!
please go cloud at g9 against acola and maybe warm it up if youre down with gluto.
i like roy a lot more but i definitely agree cloud is a better secondary in ur situation
Kazuya + Cloud is the go riddles!
Spargo has entered the chat
I mean if kola and sparg0 can do it then why not right??
Could ub back air now shake my hand
Nairo would like a word.
Sick
Cloud’s backair alone is a dlc.
Nah, that’s Palu back air
@@inked9361 nope it’s cloud backair your just biased bc your a nairo fanboy
It's not that crazy. Pretty good though
@@ashfallen1 nah, I’m just based because palu back air has a lot more than clouds, kill power, combo game, and really safe. I’m not the biased one for losing to random wifi clouds like you dude.
welcome to the cloud mains
What does it take for one of these videos to not be trolling?
RIDDLES IS USING MY CLOUD SKIN!!!! VALIDATION!!!!!
Try cloud for at least a week, casuals and pros have been saying he's broken since day 1
Don't tell Nairo 😂
A new cloud nice!
Riddles is following the parz way
But cloud has horrible recovery without limit
that's crazy
I feel that every time riddles makes one of these videos, he ends up playing kazuya in bracket again
Back to Terry haha
If only Sephiroth was half as good as Cloud
He is, both character are high tiers, maybe Sephiroth low high tier or maybe mid at worst.
@@inked9361 so what happened to you saying that cloud is mid?
@@inked9361 or did I persuade you to say the correct thing?
@@ashfallen1 I said that he is mid- high tier character. Nothing new
Nairo is going to have a field day with this and I can't wait to see it.
No Terry :c?
I dont think Cloud is any more “fun” than Pyra and Mythra, mate.
He's capping but if your not that be great 😃👍
DO IT.
Don't nairo is coming for him and his sephiroth is too/ mid.