BOSS 429 from a 429" Stroker WINDSOR??? Project MIXED UP BOSS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- As I finish up the assembly on Project MIXED UP BOSS.. This will be the last video on it till we do the Engine Dyno Video.( Dyno day should be soon I will let you know on the community page when we have it locked in) I'm really excited to see all of the fruits of our labor come together and make some power!
For new viewers I have made a whole playlist of this build... I'm using Greg Brown of Hammerhead Performance Engines BOSS "Hemi" 429 style heads designed for a small block Ford on a FRPP BOSS 351 Block, Scat 4340 forged crank, Scat H beam Rod, Diamond Pistons, 11 to 1 compression ratio, Howards Solid roller cam 259/263 @ .050" .674/.705 lift on a 108 LSA, Howards/ Pacaloy springs, Manley Titanium Retainers/Locks I'm adapting a Cleveland Weiand Hi-Ram to run on this Windsor package to make for a dry intake manifold and to have a Nostalgic look topped off with my two worked over Holley 660 Center Squirter carbs! Who knows you may see it with a set of 1050 Dominators on top????
The goals for MIXED UP BOSS are:
1) Use out of the box parts
2) To use Pump gas
3) Make 750hp
4) Drive it everywhere/ Race it Anywhere..
#BOSS429 #MIXEDUPBOSS #Hammerheads #DavidVizard
You want to call this Windsor 9 if they are both 429
You should put mechanical or electronic fuel injection 💉 with individual stacks like a 3 inch Sprint Car injection.....
Down the road... I would love to do Mechanical injection on it and try to make it streetable... So who knows what the future holds..
Andy
Who designed the Hammerhead Boss heads ??? They deserve the name !!!
Ron you are right... None other than Greg Brown... You can see more in my unboxing video of these heads.. check out playlist MIXED UP BOSS
Thanks for Watching
Andy
Shoot this thing might still make it to the track this year yet!!!
I sure hope so... But we shall see what other curve balls I'm thrown!
Andy
Would love too see that in a station wagon. It would be amazing!
I LIKE WHAT YOUR DOING WITH THE WINDSOR MOTOR CAN T WAIT TO SEE IT RUN
Thanks, It has been a long road... but I believe it will be worth it! Thanks for Watching,
Andy
That engine is going took look amazing in Casper! Can’t wait to see it run! Awesome job Andy
Thanks Roost! You and me both...
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage
Hi Andy is there a reason you are using a Ford Boss block instead of a Dart block thanks.
@@ken2892 no, other than I ended up with the FRPP Shortblock for screaming deal... And that is where the idea was born for MIXED UP BOSS.. BOSS 351 block with BOSS 429 style heads! I've used Dart blocks and Man of War blocks in the past with DV but this is my first FRPP block...
Andy
This is prob the best and coolest engine build I have seen I love this combination can’t wait to see it run.
Does a stroked 351 still maintain a good rod angle for longevity with this much stroke? I know the Chevies really have a lot of side wear on the cylinders because of the short deck. Excellent video.
Ken, the Windsor in my opinion has a bit more going for it by having a Taller deck height 9.5 vs the 9.02 of the Chevy.. it doesn't seem to affect piston wear as much in my opinion...
Hope this helps
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage , thanks for the reply. I built a 408" SBC once and it ran awesome but at 25K it was displaying cylinder wall scuff so I was disapointed.
Yeah, I've always advocated for long rods and high rod ratios, which is one of the (many) reasons I don't like Chevies.
Did he say
What I think he did
Did he say
Ahem
10,000 rpm
Out of a 429!!!!!
Oh my gosh that’s sexy
Personally I blame John Woodworth
Getting closer... looking mean...
One step at a time brother... "I love it when a plan comes together"....LOL
Very cool heads
For years, I wanted to convert a 440 to a stroker 496 HEMI, with heads from Stage V Engineering. But now that Trick Flow has those killer 270cc Max Wedge size heads, that might be a better option. But damn, Hemis are just COOL! Especially with an 8-71!
Jeffry I wanted to do that also...back in the mid to late 90's! Those TFS heads are amazing... And make awesome power!
Andy
Very innovative with high quality professional parts. The Ford engineers would be proud. Nice work!
Thanks for the kind words Duke! I will keep the vids coming..
Andy
Remember, those Ford engineers converted a 427 side-oiler into a SOHC Hemi....in 90 days...in 1965!
Ah like 'that'😎.Perfect for your basic Maverick or Pinto.🥳🥳🥳
Man, those heads are huge!
What's the bore and stroke you're using?
Scott, yes they are! You get the magic 429" by having a 4.130" bore and a 4" stroke!
Thanks for Watching
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage thanks, Andy!
I'm really looking forward to seeing it run in Casper. Might have to 'borrow' Mazda's old advertising jingle for Casper: zoom-zoom! 😂
Awesome project Andy. I’m following with great interest. Quick comment on this video- I would have liked to see a camera angle shot from over head when you were bolting on the rocker arm girdle. Nice tip on using the masking tape to get a clean finish on the sealant. I love the detailed manner you are covering this build. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the kind words... I wanted to do that camera angle. But I didn't have a way to pull it off... I had left my tall tripod at the house.. oh well... Thanks for Watching!
Andy
I’m cool with the next video being when it’s running… but please show us a picture when that tunnel ram is on there! 😍. Looking good brother! Can’t wait to see that dyno sheet! Thanks again for sharing this build with everyone.
Holy crap, Andy! Those heads and pistons and valvetrain musta set ya back ten grand! I didn't know you were rich!
Brother I'm far from rich... I've been building this engine for 2 years... Lol
Thanks for Watching
Andy
Crazy Richard Holder wants to put two stages of nitrous on your mixed up BOSS
Ted, it will have nitrous on it at some point!
Thanks for watching
Andy
That peaked my interest. Head flow numbers would be cool, as well as price.... as I'm typing this I see a like to flow testing episode in the TH-cam play list. Just having the look means nothing to me unless I'm getting that much more out of it, as it doesn't look cheap. I have a 1968 mustang and stock engine bay to work with.Just a 351w and it seems hard enough to get headers that fit and make big power. I also have a super charged new edge mustang with a modular 4.6 and I just don't like it much... It reminds me of turbo lag cars of the 80s, and it's gearing should not reflect that.
Robert thanks for Watching! I did a flow test over at my friend David Vizard's house and the video is in the MIXED UP BOSS playlist.. They are pretty impressive out of the box .. we are looking to make 750hp na on pump gas with this setup.. you can go to Hammerhead Performance Engines.com for his latest pricing list
Andy
Andy
Richard everyone is jaded with power... I could put boost on a mild Windsor and make the same number... But you must understand that if I decide to boost this engine .. I could make 1500hp with only 14.7 lbs of boost! How many other engines can do that...
Andy
Mmm wondering why you have clearance problems with that engine bay. I have a 65 Mustang with a 351w in thats been in there since 1991. JBA full length headers. Was custom at the time but still fits. The later Mustangs have way more room.
What year did they start making a windsor that's the 429 and would that be a steel block or cast-iron block and how would I tell thank you for your feedback
Never... This is all aftermarket, using a 4.130" bore and 4" stroke you end up at the magic number... On the block it is a Diesel grade Cast iron 41,000 psi tensile strength according to Ford.. this block can make max of 460"
Thanks for Watching
Andy
Not many people around taking the time to detail and keep things clean. Can’t understand why people enjoy watching other channels that hack stuff up. Awesome motor, and awesome work!
Thanks! I don't believe in hackery when it comes to engine builds .. now I've done some sketchy stuff on other things... But when it comes to making power... That's a different story! LOL..
Andy
Andy my man. Free tip for smoothing out silicone and keeping everything clean. Warm super soapy water. Just dip your finger and boom its art brother
I learned to do caulking that way for homes. Excessive yes, but we also got contracts for multi million dollar showcase homes so that’s what it takes to be the best! Love this guys work! Much respect
Regarding multi-million dollar homes, it’s a cost/ corner cutting technique. We call them "finger painters".
Whereas most commercial grade silicone and urethane sealants that is a big no-no, will void warranties. But in this application, using the tape then some cleaning/ touch-up is just fine.
The tape method is cleanest and usually (if done correctly) leaves the cleaners edge.
SWEET!!!!! Been waiting for this!! FIRE IT UP!!!
Trust me I'm ready! Hopefully it will be soon.... Thanks for Watching Mach One!
Andy
This setup would be pretty damn cool in my Maverick..
Yes I would love to have a Maverick to drop this in!
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage currently installing aje front suspension to make room for something bigger than a 347.
That will make a huge difference!
Andy
Why the flat top pistons ? wouldn't you want to match the combustion chamber.
Ken, good question... These heads have a shallow chamber. 63cc so with my 15cc dish pistons it's going to give me 11 to 1 compression.
Make a guy hate to put valve covers on it. Look forward to the bench session with DragBoss.
That's a project I'd do! 😊 My LT1 SBC Fox Mustang would be ok with a SBF Boss 429 in the engine bay.😊
I see you copper sprayed the head gaskets and neglected to tell us 😂😂😂
Good catch
Andy
Great job Andy, this motor is absolutely awesome, love your attention to detail. Can't wait to see what this thing does on the dyno👍
Thanks! I cant wait to see it run on the dyno either.. Thanks for Watching Mace
Andy
Is this the same engine you had on the dyno thanks for co.e back
Yes...
Jesus Christ. Better be glad that head isn’t cast iron lol
Tell me about it! Lol
Thanks for Watching
Andy
are the piston tops and top end combustion chambers ceramic coated?
Dean on this phase one build... Everything is out of the box.. Down the Road David Vizard and myself are going to port the heads and put some Compression in it and see how far we can take this combo... DV wants to see 4 digit power NA... So we shall see what the future holds... Thanks for Watching
Andy
Seems like progress has halted. What is going on with this?
No the engine is finished.. just waiting on the Dyno day... Alot of things have to line up... My work schedule, David Vizard's schedule, and the Greg the Dyno Schedule.. Stay Tuned! Thanks for Watching
Andy
What is estimated cost of this project and how would it do in a dirt late model
Ken, my best advice would be give Greg Brown of HammerheadPerformanceEngines.com a call to discuss pricing and application. I guess it would all depend on the rules of the class. I do know that these heads can support 800hp as cast and can flow 500cfm when fully ported!
Andy
Looking good Andy! Looking mean! Can't wait for the next video in this series! Great job brother!
Thanks! I've gotta start getting CASPER ready for this beast!
Andy
I love Windsor engines can u tell me is the engine all after market
Yes Damian, it is all aftermarket. You can see a breakdown of the parts in the video description. Thanks for Watching,
Andy
Man what eye candy you have there im going to say the 1 thumbs down is from pur jealously...... but anyway wish Olds would of continued there 455 hemi program.......snarf.......
Just watching this again for the third time, and for the life of me it looks like that head gasket is on backwards..... small coolant holes in the rear and large hole in front. The angle for seeing the front hole is pretty steep, so maybe a trick of the light. I know the gaskets sometimes say " front" but that isn't always foolproof.
Joey you are the first to catch the Easter egg.... If you notice the gasket towards the end of the video you will see a different edge on the front of the head... I wanted to see who if anyone would notice.. you are the first! True Ford Gearhead...
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage
Cool, so I’m not going crazy. What kinda HP do you estimate that thing will make? I saw the hot rod article on the 416 LS version, made really good power for what it was but I don’t think that mild build really took advantage of those heads, a good set of LS heads will make the same numbers, I found another HR write up on an essentially identical short block, same cubes, nearly identical cam and CR, and it made almost exactly the same numbers. Not putting the hammer heads down, just think at the 650hp level they are not being fully taken advantage of.
The Windsor 427 that made close to 1000hp, now that was making good use of all that flow.
Can’t wait to see your dyno numbers.
Since I'm using the heads out of the box and a "somewhat" mild solid roller... I'm hoping for 750hp on pump gas..
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage
Awesome, I’m keeping my fingers crossed for 776 HP….
It would be nice! I'm actually more concerned with torque output since it is going into a 4000 lb truck .. Hopefully I can get some weight out of it but Either way it's going to be fun!
Andy
I want one for my 23-T what will it cost?
Cory you can go to Hammerhead Performance Engines.com to get a price list of the heads... Thanks for Watching!
Andy
Man o man, I can’t wait to see this beast run! Sweet set up Andy!
Thanks Mark! I can't either...
Andy
What are you going to be putting this motor in 🤔
My 1971 F100 named CASPER.. you can see it in my video I posted yesterday... Thanks for Watching!
Andy
This one is going to be Tuff to Beat Great series Thanks
Thanks! For the kind words... You are right about that...lol
Andy
We're did you get the heads king a soby
Check out hammerhead performance engines.com Greg Brown is the mastermind behind these! You can see this whole build on my channel in the MIXED UP BOSS playlist..
Thanks for Watching
Andy
Great video! Those heads are awesome! Can’t wait to see on dyno! 🔥🔥🔥
Thanks Brother! These Hammerhead Boss heads are something else... I hated to put valvecovers on it! If all goes well it should make around 750hp on 93 octane pump gas... Atleast that is the goal..will we make it? time will tell!
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage ya dude. Stoked. Make some clear valve covers! Haha 80s style. I bet you will make your hp goals.
What stroker did you use to make it a 429? What all was required?
It's a 4" stroke with a 4.130" bore
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGaragewhat stroker did you use ? What’s reputable because I want to do this similar build myself
Since the chambers of your heads are so efficient, would you have put a small dome Piston if you did it again?
Where do you get the heads and stud kit?
Hammerhead Performance Engines.com call Greg Brown at 678-570-0874 he is the mastermind behind these heads!
Ford announced its designing a synthetic feul for V8 engine with zero emissions! Long live the V8!
Wicked
I just got one thing to say awesome
Thanks Kenneth!
Awesome!!!!
Thanks Iron Horse Garage!
Andy
Thanks Andy , great up mate Caspers going to Enjoy that Donk Cheers cya on the next one Bud.
super
Wow.
can't wait to see you running this down the track andy! that engine is something else.
Me neither Kurt... time for Casper to head back to TN, Uncle Tony world headquarters...
Andy
Personally I blame squirrels
Squirrels are now blaming their uncle. LOL
Today I'm blaming chipmunks! Especially Alvin, Simon, and Theodore!
Mixed Up Boss is coming together nicely. I totally agree with ya on soaking the lifters! Nice tip with the tape, never seen that before. I never had any luck putting down a good bead, I just use my finger to apply a thin coat. I look forward to seeing the next video!
Thanks Big Bear, on the tape deal.. Greg Brown is the one who gave me that tip... it works! Im ready to make some noise with this thing! LOL
Andy
I'm definitely using tape now when I glue the intake on my next engine!
@@johnflett2531 it's a pretty good trick.. that Greg told me about... Works great
Why the mismatch at the front right side plate to block?
Hell yeah been waiting for this episode all month
How come you didn't use the 385 series block. ??
I thought boss mean windsor bottom end cleveland heads
Andy, did you say those rockers were made by T&D? I’ve got T&D rockers on my 513. Good stuff!
Cj, this setup is made by Jesel.. I love T&D rockers too, I have had great success with both..
If it runs as good as it looks it's going to be a bad boy
Thanks David! I sure hope so... Time will tell.. You guys will see it as it happens..
Andy
What type of paint do you use for the lifter valley
Albert, I use Glyptal in my setups...
Thanks for Watching!
Andy
appreciate love Windsor engines with boss heads
Thanks Albert! I can't wait to hear it run!
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage I would love to see this type of engine combination on the drag strip
@@albertdeleon6272 Dont worry, once it is in Casper we will be hitting the Strip! We will see how fast Casper can go...
I’m glad I stumbled upon this site. I’m old school Ford guy n I like what you are doing. My stroker was a 427 FE top Oiler with a 428 crank. I feel like a dinosaur now days.
Hey that's a pretty awesome combo! Glad to have you Robbie! Thanks for Watching
Andy
I love this build thank you so much
Thank you for watching!
Andy
🔔😎👍👍👍
That’s really badass. Very cool piece. Hell of an achievement. That truck is going to be really cool.
Thanks Brad... Im really looking forward to it.. should be fun! Thanks for Watching
Andy
She's pretty!!
Thanks!
Super cool stuff. Question why didn't you get a mls headgasket?
Good question! I normally run MLS gaskets but I had these FRPP gaskets that came with the shortblock when I picked it up that are specific to the FRPP/SVO block... When we tear it down for the big build it will be wearing Cometics..
Thanks for Watching!
Andy
LUV IT!!!!!!!!
Thanks Mark!
It’s be better on a Titus 351C block
How bout 393 /351w...with 351 Cleveland heads????
That's a great combo! You can make some big power with that.. I really like a 393.. Mine was awesome
Andy
Thank you for your insitghts and video 🙂❤👍PS:Great progress
Thanks Jimmy!
Andy
I was told by a nhra super stock racer to always soak roller lifters overnight more than 30 years ago.
Cj, I guess Im old school in that regard.. BUT it works and doesn't hurt! I'd rather be safe than sorry.. Thanks for watching
Andy
So what is the price of a setup like this?!?
Jim it depends on how you set the heads up... Go to HammerheadPerformanceEngines.com for Greg Brown's latest pricelist
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage, can you at least say what your cost was for the heads?
@@TheRoadhammer379 I bought the kit which right at $7100 for the options I went with. You can go to the website and see the latest pricing...
Andy
So this is a 7 litre Boss 302?
No, it's a Small block version of a BOSS 429 Thanks for Watching
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage
I'm in the middle of binge-watching, I'm sure you'll explain what you mean in the video but I've got a few other ones to get to.
Great content.
After further research I've seen these heads on an LS before.
Thanks!
Thank you for the Super Thanks Douglas! I really appreciate you watching
Andy
Awesome Andy you got me feeling 460-ish
Beautiful
Thanks Dennis! I have a whole playlist on MIXED UP BOSS
Thanks for watching
Andy
Any guess on horsepower? Should run good.
I agree with you on the stud installation process and prefer to install the studs after the heads have been indexed to the dowels. Much easier on the head gasket as well. Good tip!!
Thanks, rotorr22 I've been doing it this way for years it works best for me.. Like you said it makes installing the head gasket easier as well!
Thanks for Watching
Andy
Dyno 🤔🙂
Yes... We will be thrashing it on the Engine Dyno before it goes into CASPER!
Andy
you can use a clean damp rage with water and clean the squeeze out. looks professional.
I will try that! Thanks for Watching
Andy
I ment I’d prefer The Cammer427
This is actually more exciting to me than building my FE427 I swear! "Mixed Up Boss" is going to be a hard running engine, I don't have a doubt! And a good looker as well!
Thanks Bobby, I'm really excited about it! I can't wait to see how it runs... 700hp or Bust 😆
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Absolutely brother!
I'm still blown away by the sound of Casper with the 393, can't wait to hear Mixed Up Boss!
China Wall... That is a new one for me. It does kind of look like the Great Wall. Ha, too funny ! Love it !
That is what I've always called it...lol
Been called that for...... 5 decades ?
Maybe itza local culture thingie. LOL.
I'm betting at least
$30,000 PLUS LABOR
I have $14200 in this build...
Man i really hope they make these style heads for the Godzilla engine.that would be awesome n probably make around 1,000 hp
Hurry Up.. 😁🤣😂 We have been incredibly patient with U. Only jocking. Wanting 2 👀👀 this little beauty on the Dyno making plenty of ponies. What about organizing a friendly competition regarding hp & tq figures. I am in on a competition if your other onlookers are up 4 a bit of fun. Cheers Andy .
Robert Phillips Australia
Awesome 😎 build
Thanks Ryan!
Andy
I need to order 2 of those engines, just need to take it out of my child's college fund 😜🤙
I would have loved the inside of the heads!!!
You can see them in my playlist of MIXED UP BOSS.. I did a unboxing and Flow tested them the whole deal
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Still in this video one never see the inside of the head.
Ron, this is has been part of a whole series on the build
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Agree, rarely does one in order of the videos where one can see in the videos alongside and see them. I only takes a few seconds to see the inside the and this is the best part. No sense in using a flathead. Gee, is this a 1/2 intake valve with 3/8 exhaust valve ??? No of course not.
351w with boss heads?
Yup! Scaled down BOSS 429 heads check out the Dyno video playlist
Thanks for watching
Andy
@UnityMotorSportsGarage I actually tried calling hammered company very much interest in duplicating this build. Is their a way I can get ahold of you
Yes you can email me at tunnelram393w@gmail.com
Andy
Easy on that sealer. Wipe it along inside of valley area to keep it out of the oil pump screen. Or worse. Those heads are BOSS!
Don't worry David, I checked that! Thanks for the kind words and for watching!
Andy
I was thinking the same thing. Size of bead seemed a bit excessive, I would have applied it closer to the outer edges of china wall (especially since you had the tape there to aid I’d cleaning excess and cleaner appearance. But I know this isn’t your first rodeo,,, lol.
I would still have looked under base plate through the access plate opening to make sure their were no big gobs to potentially fall off and clog an oil drain/ pickup etc.
Though I’m sure that the cam you’ve chosen will probably idle so smooth that you’ll be able to stand a quarter on its edge and it won’t fall over, (a roll of quarters so that is,,,lol).
BTW, greetings from the wrong side of Gaston County, ;)
Will those boss Hemi heads work on an LS engine
Daniel, Yes they will... I cover it in the flowtest video that I did.. you can see it in the MIXED UP BOSS playlist
This thing is an absolute jewel man!!
Thanks Sheldon!
We know you are getting busier by the day and we know you don't want to make another video but I was hoping to see another one wrapping it up for the Dyno. Between You , Mr. Visar, and Dragboss garage, we have been filling our heads with knowledge and all the good stuff to get it done. If you get a chance Andy please check out the Dragboss garage and see what you think. I think you both being good Ford guys and spot for the technology and specs would have a bit in common. Great Sunday and good afternoon to you! Thanks for letting us in on your project!
DragBoss and I plan on doing a live chat together here soon... You will see it in a fast wrap up type of deal when DV and I head to the Dyno!
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage thank you for your time and your work with your channel. I'm glad you said that about Dragboss garage. My dad and a few of my friends have porch screenings or sun room meetings depending on the weather. I was hoping he was going to invite you on , I was going to ask him to do so because of your passion for what you do and how you do it. Now I can patiently wait and surprise the crowd with what I will consider a great show. Thanks for the tip and I promise I will not say a word to the crowd. They will love it. Thanks so much again for your work.
John
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage I have been dying to get to see you and your new creation and Mr. V also. I hope you get things to work the way you would like to see it done. Good Friday to you Andy.