The brutal brutal truth about Warhammer 40k is that it is the Call of Duty of wargaming and people are too addicted and have blinders to really play outside the ecosystem.
i have been saying this for years its called buyers remorse you have invested so much time and money in to something that you cant admit to yourself that buying more might be a mistake since how can anything you are doing be a mistake
@@viktorgabriel2554 I understand not wanting to dump your models but like Call of Duty I recommend the old games. Older editions like 3rd and 4th are much less bloated. The problem is that people want to use the latest plastic hotness and there's no rules
@@ryanthompson525 a great start. Age of sigmar is more fun than 40k IMO but I'm also more attracted to Old World. I would also recommend playing Stargrave and Frostgrave if you like skirmish.
Three years into the hobby and I still haven't played a match. My brother and I tried once. After three hours of trying to figure out the ridiculously complicated rules, and only accomplishing one turn, we gave up. Then I heard about Grimdark Future one page rules and after looking into it, that's what we're trying now. I think more 40K youtubers should talk about Grimdark Future. It's a lot easier to get into the hobby when you only need a few pages of rules rather than multiple massive books that are hundreds of pages long.
Here's a controversial one, be the change you want to see in the hobby. If you don't like GW's pricing structure don't buy from them. If you don't like their rules don't run them. 40k is a big enough community that alternatively sourced minis is up to your standards on what is acceptable. Remember GW showed off an army that was 90 percent recasts during the Betrayal at Calth boxset promotion. This hobby is all about what you make it, GW might own the IP, but they're your models don't fall into corporate stockholm syndrome.
@@GrimdarkCrusader20th here's a more controversial take. Stop playing Warhammer, even if you 3d print your way into it. So many people out here just want to play a game that has a large community because they don't want to feel left out. This is basically like trying to play Call of Duty for free. I recommend better games and even games that don't require using the manufacturers minis. But so many people are finding alternatives to play a GW game is just them coping with the fact that they can't look outside the grim dark theme park
@@noblegalifreyan4551 The thing is, a lot of people like the aesthetic, including me. The crazy ass lore is also really cool and is a lot of the reason the IP is as big as it is. I get this point, but honestly I'd propose an alternate ruleset made by the fans for the fans.
@@GrimdarkCrusader20th it's not because it's cool, It's because it's convenient. If tomorrow Infinity was pushed by influencers it would suddenly see a shift in the market. People are mostly conformists and want to remain with a larger in-group. They cope with the fact they don't want to feel left out. Trying to get Warhammer fans to stop playing Warhammer 40k is like trying to get an addict to stop doing drugs. You can always play older editions with old rules. It's what I do if I feel like playing 40k. But most people just want to play what's most convenient rather than what's practical.
@@noblegalifreyan4551 The aesthetic is what got me in and the stories are what kept me. I didn't start learning about the wargame proper until nearly 4 years of being into the lore. Before then it was mostly Dawn of War and the og Space Marine for me. People don't always get into Warhammer because it's convenient, some people like the setting for what it is: a Space Fantasy about humanity raging against the dying of the light. The sudden push from influencers pushing some old loretubers out was kind of when I got gatekeepy as I was a Star Wars refugee when I was first getting into 40k and didn't want to see the same garbage happen again.
the best advice i can give a new player aside from some of the pointers in the video would be don't be scared to ask questions and observe. Warhammer really is a spectator sport
It's absolutely not a spectator sport. It's not a sport and it is awfully boring and uninformative to watch. As questions all you like, that is actually unavoidable and people will be happy to explain. Spectator? Sport? Come on Bruv. 😂😂😂
@@CausticSpace personally if you make it easy to get into via having the old codex and a quick reference sheet it makes the process a lot easier. Also it helps if they aren't running Primaris space marines.
Best advice for a new person, is actually to take it slow, you'll find a lot of people who have spent a lot on warhammer, buy things because they are 'a deal', you keep doing that and you'll find it'll be more than you can keep up with, instead try to buy one or two kits at a time, build and paint them, then look to your next purchase, you may miss out on some 'deals', or even models, this way, but you'll spend less overall. Those large army boxes may be good value, but can be a grey plastic trap.
Almost fell into this when I joined a 2nd hand seller group. Ironically after a while the group itself turned me off of buying more because I saw people posting the same things to sell repeatedly and nobody would be interested.
Best advice: Make sure there are people playing around you before buying. Otherwise you have to be the whole community. Also showing off everything is a challenge in and of itself. Hope you like running led lights.
I would always recommend when looking at your first army is making sure you at least like the look of one character,one squad and a vehicle from that faction so that if you don’t jive with the rest of the army,you can at least have 3 of those each
I'm new coming to the tabletop after playing Space Marine 2. I knew it was going to be expensive, but when I realized how expensive the supplies were, I was shocked. It's like I just bought $60 worth of minis oh wait I need clippers, a knife, paints, brushes just to get them ready but after all that I don't have enough points to actually play lol
I’d recommend starting with a complete box game such as Space Marine: the board game, or the killteam:octarius starter box. This gives you a good start on getting minis as well as a full two player playable game. No need for codices yet and you can sucker a buddy into playing
If you want to get into miniature wargaming, start with BattleTech: A Game of Armored Warfare. It is $50, comes with a rulebook that really has not changed since 1985, a hex map that actually fits on a coffee table, and 8 mechs that are new, cool looking sculpts of mechs that have stats that have not changed...ever. An "Army" is just 4 mechs, and mechs are easy to paint. Just paint them army green with a metallic cockpit window. The box also includes the stat cards for the eight mechs for the Alpha Strike, simpler/faster game, and that is what I play now. Alpha Strike is great. Just download the free starter rules for that. However, still by this box as it is the best value for money.
My advice to a new player: If you want to eventually play 1500+ point games, do not buy everything all at once. It gets overwhelming very quickly when you are looking at everything you have to build and paint. Spread your purchases out. And if it turns out that painting/playing that army is not for you, then at least you didn't spend so much money on it and hopefully you can sell/give it to someone who's interested
My first Game I asked my Opponent to help me with the Rules because I didn't know everything exactly. He even pointed out in the middle of the Game "If you teleport your Termis here you can attack the Unit". I wish everyone starting out with an Introductory Game like this. When we played "seriously" later, he swept me off the Table Round 2, but that's another Story😉
Honestly my best advice for new players is to stretch. Often. Your body will tense up when painting or playing. Stretch out your back, unclench your jaw and loosen your shoulders. This drains a lot of energy.
Buy Recasts and DO NOT engage on competitive warhammer. Believe me, I cannot stress enough how many times I have sat arguing rules with manchilds that run tantrums just because I accidently did a 6.000000001 movement or being punished because my opponent was to fast that it's already too late to react. Now, painting models is fun. Man is it a relaxing hobby. But screw citadel paints. Out of that I love warhammer :)
This is a problem with wargaming in general. To put it brutally; this is some people's only claim to competence, and they'll sometimes cheat, simply because they got away with it before.
@@wiilov Yeah, like I know I will either a 5.89 or 6.002 movement. But when I am with these "pro" players they literally take this as a cheating and want to go all over you. Like bro, we are playing with toy soldiers. Chill!
Best advice I can give is don't buy any minis till you are set on your faction and lore. example before i found what the main army i wanted to paint/use i kept reading books and thinking "i really like that character. do they have a mini? they do. imma buy it." I have a bunch of custodies, a few orks, a phoenix lord, and grey knights now that i'll never use because I choose the Black Templars and Imperial Fists because I love their lore and designs. All that goes out the window if you just want to collect minis that look cool though.
Especially in australia, I just can't recommend anyone get into the hobby without 3d printing. So my advice is either buy a 3d printer or more often "do not buy the minis, i will print your army for you."
I downloaded the WH app, did a bunch of research, built an army, then went in the GW website and put everything into my cart for my 1000 point army. Imagine my surprise when it came out to roughly $600 not including the codex, paint or accessories. Maybe I'll just try a starter kit 😂
I'm starting a tyranid army again ( mainly inspired from the game) but yeah.. I'm 3D printing the whole thing and probably just going to play 5th or 7th edition with my friends as we enjoyed that... you don't have to play the most up to date with the latest toys... remember... RULE OF COOL!!! Edit: ebay and old editions can be your friends :)
I've got a good controversial one: Every buck you spend on miniatures, doesn't go back into miniatures. One of the things that many people dont really take into account when purchasing Warhammer miniatures is that you're more than likely purchasing into the Warhammer IP which covers the books, miniatures, paints, licenses, and just about everything else. The money that you give to GW isn't just going directly back into the miniature making, but is capital that is invested back into the IP. Our hobby seems to be only a small part in what is an otherwise, global wargaming brand. It is apparent that the market will bear the price of a miniature. It more strikes me that a bunch of what GW produces is bloating the price since they have so much that they need to maintain and produce, AoS, 40k, LoTR, HH, and all the rest of their boxed games for the wargaming scene alone. Their manpower seems strained which could explain the balance and design issues since they are spread across such a vast expanse of armies and settings. Thats not to mention the cost of *everything* going up because of inflation. Not justifying these prices and if you think I am, then you're part of the problem: always saying "bring down the prices!" Which, yes, is valid, but you're not actually pulling at their strings. By understanding these, we can begin to identify where we can strike them the hardest. Do a little yar har haring and delegitimize the use case of their products if we want to keep playing WH. But if a comeptitor is to rise up, its going to take a long time. In the meantime, just break their rules and don't give them your buckaroos while still using their stuff.
This hobby can be VERY expensive. You do not NEED to invest time/money in any particular aspect of the Warhammer universe. If you don't like painting, you don't NEED to do so. Don't like lore and just want to run generic models on the table? Go right ahead! Opponent doesn't like that aspect? Find a new one! If you're just looking to have fun painting cool models, look around at other companies. Plenty of games exist, and the models are great. Many are less expensive, too!
I don't know if anyone but Handi might see this but sometimes I like to go out into my garden in the dead of night and pretend to be an Iron Warrior Cataphractii fighting in an Zone Mortalis bunker!
Don't be afraid to buy used models: they'll be cheaper, but will need a bit of effort to strip and repaint. Also, if you want to buy new, buy from your local game store, especially if its an independent store. Never buy at full rrp, never from gw's own store/online shop. There's always a discount retailer online somewhere.
If I'm to give advice to a new player if say, "Play the game with a friend that is into it with you. Play close to the rules, but alo have a hell of a fun time with it. How I got into it and enjoyed, never played an official game, so take this with a grain of salt bit just have a real fun time with it.
I sold my buddy the necron half of the imperium mags at what i payed for them so he's got over 2k of crons super cheap. I didn't make him pay for it all at once so he could get an army and get playing asap.
I’d say don’t fall into the buying of Warhammer. Paint the models you have. When everything you have is painted, then buy your next box. I don’t like buying second hand so I’ll never tell someone to do that. But don’t fall into the new releases dopamine rush. Buying box after box for the high of having it, only to have a pile of boxes while you haven’t finished painting 1 unit.
So as someone who's interesse in just painting minis and getting better at that, I can just buy second-hand/minis people bought as a set but they don't want? No codex, no building a whole army, no environmental parts, no transport cases....is it still super expensive this way? Actual question.
Gw does a good job overshadowing other miniature producing companies but they are out there. There are historical miniatures which aren't that expensive, Warlord games has quite a variety of time periods. There's a company called Mantic Games that has some great boxes with a ton of minis (mainly fantasy but they do have a sci-fi game). You can also look around for miniature board games and other wargames at an Lgs. Reaper miniatures has a lot of single minis. But if you really want Gw plastic there is a subreddit called miniswap for buying, selling, and trading Gw minis, and bits. But don't limit yourself to just Gw there is so much out there.
Probably said allot, but unless you're planning on playing in a warhammer store or offical tournament, its okay to buy models from other companies, 3d print your own. Even if you dont own or cant reasonably have a 3d printer, you can look at sellers like only games to buy reasonably good looking models for cheap, look up opr's models for good proxies for sisters of battle, the chaos deamons, stuff like that. And the starter armies cost about 100 usd. Most Warhammer like games dont care about what models you use, so if you buy GW models, you dont have to throw them away. ( Don't be me when the scrapped old world for AoS.)
I have recently bought a starter set from Mantic Games: Firefight and I have compared it to GW's Starter Sets. Then it made me compare the two companies overall. And I came to these conclusions: - The Mantic starter sets have two complete armies in them that are big enough to make up a good and fun game without any additions. Any further purchase from Mantic becomes just a cherry on top for if you really want it. In GWs starter boxes there is barely enough miniatures for a base game and the "game" you get out of them lacks dymanics and veriety. GW designs these boxes to make you crave more miniatures, just so you can satisfy your basic need for a fun basegame. Mantic offers you more if you want it. GW manipulates you into wanting more. - Overall Manticgames offers you entire big armies for prices under 200 Dollars. In GW you wont even have a baseline 1500 point Space Marine army. That needs 600+ Dollars. - Mantic games miniatures are not as detailed as GW minis. GW has the upper hand here. But you pay for this slight upper hand with 3x to 4x times the cost. But that doesnt mean Mantic games minis are ugly. they arent! they are still really nice builds and for an average painter its incredibly hard to really take advantage of the details in GW minis anyways. - The Rules for Manticgames are free on their Website. GW forces you to either buy a giant book that is obsolete in 3-4 years, or buy a starter set for a mini version. - after playing firefight for a while me and my friend realised: We had MUCH more fun with firefight than we had with Warhammer 40k atm and we could recall the last time having that much fun with 40k to the time way before 2017! The biggest causes for this are: Firefight is an activation-based game. You activate and use a unit, I activate and use a unit. Like a game of chess. It keeps you engaged constantly because you dont have to wait for your opponent to make their turn for their entire army. You also dont have that awkward situation where your opponent starts the match and shoots half of your army dead before it even had the chance to make one turn. The Mantic rules are also way less bloated and complex. Wich can be a bummer for some rule cracks, but it makes the game so much easier to understand and play fluently. A game of Firefight with an equal army size to 40k takes only half the time to play and you had fun and engagement for the entire time. - The developers and owners of Mantic Games engage directly with the community. the men who make the game are gamers and have passion for what they do. In GW the men who make the game are businessmen with no personal connection to their product. the people with passion for their game can only be found in the low and middle ranks of the company and you can feel that in all of their decisions. - The Mantic pricing is transparent and easy to grasp over their whole range. Thats a big unit, it costs this. Thats a troop unit, it costs this. The GW pricing is all over the place, based on throwing tea leaves and bones. So in my conclusion: Mantic is WAY cheaper (fact), still looks great (fact), the game is more fun (subjective), the devs are eye to eye with the customers (fact) And then there is OnePageRules! You can take all these points I said about mantic and export them exactly like that on OnepageRules and it fits perfectly too! And there is other game companies doing the same! GW has games with great Lore and art, wich is the only reason their systems keep us hooked. but to me that doesnt justify all the negatives about their game and products. If you have never played alternatives I really recommend you to try it. And I promise you: You will be SO upset when you experience first hand what a low quality experience GW actually offer you, compared to their competitors.
Another brutal truth is that GW has convinced the community to be its biggest pool of unpaid salesman. So many people i see are concerned with getting people into the game. I genuinely dont care to be their salesmen unless they pay me. This is like trying to get more people into Fortnite or NFL. if anything its better to explore other games that revolve around space marines and grimdark.
there's a warhammer store like 15 mins from me but i've never been. I read the books and play the games but never bought a miniature. If i did now i'd just 3d print. if I want to play the game i have tabletop sim
@@Nadaters game of thrones was one of the most watched TV shows in history and still was the most pirated shows. You're still participating in something popular even if you don't contribute a dollar to the models.
Aww yeah, new handy video. Time to get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather, he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold."
When I was a kid I wanted to try 40K. I had the time but not the money. I'm now an adult with a house and above-average income in a developed country.. I could maybe make the time but looking at the costs. Let's say it's £1500 to get one army and the other stuff you need. But that army might go from strong to useless in a month. Now I want to buy another army because mine's useless. That's another £1000. I'm proabably looking at ~150 hours to do the painting and learn some rules. Then I can play some games. All this is too much. I can't commit these resources to hobby unless I know I'll love it and even then it's a stretch.
Here's one truth (my friend finally accepts) The lore is window dressing Bulit to be retconed. As the dark future everything is under information suppression, missinformation, propaganda, disinformation, myth, legends, to justify every update, units edit or Factions addition or removal. Enjoy the lore don't get to attached as the series has a long history of retcons.
Honest advise: Get a 3d Printer, Super glue, Vallejo primer and and a beginner oil paint set from a reputable company. All hobby branded stuff you can get at the local arts and crafts store for a third of the price
Do not pick an army like drukhari as a first army. Armies that are a small range, spindly tiny elves, expensive, key models locked in finecast, and a high difficulty curve will be taxing to start with. Ussually the smaller armies are neglected as well, so starting out you are going to have limited options and no hope of a full rules release anytime soon. I started with drukhari and love the army, but it's been difficulty to learn an expensive. I would have dropped drukhari and pivoted to something else if I didn't have 4 other DE players around me. With it being a small playerbase most people won't be that lucky.
I tell ppl to start with space marines, because for most space marines u can find the minis from a second hand market and get them less than half off, right now eBay has good prices on minis from the leviathan set, I got 10 terminators for about 45$ from eBay from the leviathan set
@@anno-fw7xn depends on which one you get too. The ones I mentioned in the video are probably the best options the older versions are the ones that are more open. I have to seal my old detolf because it was too open.
My advice would be to think carefully how deep you really want to get into the hobby. Nobody needs to buy themselves an expensive army if they just like the lore. And even if you like building the little figures, you don't have to rush in with a mortgage payment to get yourself stacked up on minis. Seriously, take your time.
It is really sad how some fans sadly just go to far and this is double for bug Warhammer channels since they have now gained a financial incentive to not criticize GW at all Buyers Remorse is such a bad thing to have not being able to admit to yourself you are making a mistake or that others could be right about negative things that your favorite company is doing since you have spent so much time and money on the product.
Makes you wonder how a box of injection molded, unassembled, unpainted plastic is so expensive. Oh I know why, cynical greed. No wonder GW is terrified of people 3D printing their own models and act like you'll go to prison for being caught at a tournament with one.
Heres one. Every piece of lore in Warhammer is dictated by whatever GW wants to make money from. A cool character dies? Well you can guarantee hes coming back to life at some point No new miniature for an old character, even though the others are out? GW probably killed them, because not enough people bought them.
the sad part about 40k and something you can see, in even the last 2-5 years is how scummy GW is. They don't care about the lore, balance, and players at all. And people still seem to cover for them
If ya get into Warhammer specifically 40k, I highly suggest playing smaller games and using wahapedia for your rules. Proxy if ya can. This helps ya not have the problem like me with several 2k armies and I don't play them cause I hate their rules. I'm ngl at the end of the day 10th edition has not been enjoyable I've been far more enjoying other games like AoS, Kill team, or other games in general, malifaux, flesh and blood, mtg, looking at battle tech soon
Whatever you do, try to avoid Ad Mech as your first playable army. It costs WAY too much and the key infantry units are too small and detailed for their own good!
Man the fact that he posted alpharius in the title of his video as the title picture the picture tiltle the picture that goes at the interview of the video the pictures picture of the video the openning font of the video the video thumbnail. Ah thats what its called the video thumbnail yes the fact that he put alpharius in the video thumbnail makes me want to trust him more for some reason as if some kind of indoctrination or conditioning is taking hold…
as a long time Warhammer fan I just want to tell you all, you dont have to engage with the Buying, collecting, painting and tabletop playing side of the hobby if you dont want to.. I have been into warhammer for about 14 years and has NEVER bought any models or been to any tabletop gaming store. I engage with Warhammer fantasy and 40k purely for the lore, read all the books and play P'n'P role-playing game with friends, and as the Game masters, develop unique lore friendly characters and stories. write my own fanfic, build up my own whole sub-sectors of planets, unique guard regiments and cultures, Sororitas convents and space marine origins.
@@lincawebot3681 because its more difficult to find random people online interested in talking about my own setting, easier to find players for roleplaying games, many more resources via roleplaying supplements for very specific already written plots and stories to take inspiration from etc. much more accessible than doing everything from the ground up yourself.. Although I do also try my hand at scifi writing, but I'm not great at it.. also easier to get writing feedback online from dedicated fan-fiction sites than for your own scifi.
@@lincawebot3681because he wants to be latched on to a successful hobby to part of a group. If tomorrow a new wargame took over you would see these fans jump over talking about how passionate they are
Here's the real truth, 40k is designed to hook whales through artificial FOMO, cost-sunk fallacy, and meta chasing, though the guise of "Competitive" play (which is impossible as rules are released to promote sales and nerf others) Buy what you want and play narrative or one-page-rules. Or play other better systems instead like Asmodee/Warlord
START. WITH. 1. (ONE.) BOX. I heard that advice myself, I didn't listen, and I learned that hard way that the anxiety over getting it done will start your pile of shame that will sit there for years.
The brutal brutal truth about Warhammer 40k is that it is the Call of Duty of wargaming and people are too addicted and have blinders to really play outside the ecosystem.
i have been saying this for years its called buyers remorse you have invested so much time and money in to something that you cant admit to yourself that buying more might be a mistake since how can anything you are doing be a mistake
@@viktorgabriel2554 I understand not wanting to dump your models but like Call of Duty I recommend the old games. Older editions like 3rd and 4th are much less bloated. The problem is that people want to use the latest plastic hotness and there's no rules
Been looking at age of sigmar, lord of the rings and bolt action. All look like fun alternatives to 40k
@@ryanthompson525 a great start. Age of sigmar is more fun than 40k IMO but I'm also more attracted to Old World. I would also recommend playing Stargrave and Frostgrave if you like skirmish.
@@viktorgabriel2554That’s called the sunk cost fallacy. Buyer’s remorse is just when you regret a purchase
I demand to know the truth, where does The Emperor keep the 40,000 warhammers?
In his vault
Guys, he's asking too many questions ...
Vulkin hiding them around the galaxy like the easter bunny
the blood ravens stole them all.
Three years into the hobby and I still haven't played a match. My brother and I tried once. After three hours of trying to figure out the ridiculously complicated rules, and only accomplishing one turn, we gave up. Then I heard about Grimdark Future one page rules and after looking into it, that's what we're trying now. I think more 40K youtubers should talk about Grimdark Future. It's a lot easier to get into the hobby when you only need a few pages of rules rather than multiple massive books that are hundreds of pages long.
Here's a controversial one, be the change you want to see in the hobby. If you don't like GW's pricing structure don't buy from them. If you don't like their rules don't run them. 40k is a big enough community that alternatively sourced minis is up to your standards on what is acceptable. Remember GW showed off an army that was 90 percent recasts during the Betrayal at Calth boxset promotion. This hobby is all about what you make it, GW might own the IP, but they're your models don't fall into corporate stockholm syndrome.
THIS
@@GrimdarkCrusader20th here's a more controversial take. Stop playing Warhammer, even if you 3d print your way into it. So many people out here just want to play a game that has a large community because they don't want to feel left out. This is basically like trying to play Call of Duty for free. I recommend better games and even games that don't require using the manufacturers minis. But so many people are finding alternatives to play a GW game is just them coping with the fact that they can't look outside the grim dark theme park
@@noblegalifreyan4551 The thing is, a lot of people like the aesthetic, including me. The crazy ass lore is also really cool and is a lot of the reason the IP is as big as it is. I get this point, but honestly I'd propose an alternate ruleset made by the fans for the fans.
@@GrimdarkCrusader20th it's not because it's cool, It's because it's convenient. If tomorrow Infinity was pushed by influencers it would suddenly see a shift in the market. People are mostly conformists and want to remain with a larger in-group. They cope with the fact they don't want to feel left out. Trying to get Warhammer fans to stop playing Warhammer 40k is like trying to get an addict to stop doing drugs. You can always play older editions with old rules. It's what I do if I feel like playing 40k. But most people just want to play what's most convenient rather than what's practical.
@@noblegalifreyan4551 The aesthetic is what got me in and the stories are what kept me. I didn't start learning about the wargame proper until nearly 4 years of being into the lore. Before then it was mostly Dawn of War and the og Space Marine for me. People don't always get into Warhammer because it's convenient, some people like the setting for what it is: a Space Fantasy about humanity raging against the dying of the light. The sudden push from influencers pushing some old loretubers out was kind of when I got gatekeepy as I was a Star Wars refugee when I was first getting into 40k and didn't want to see the same garbage happen again.
the best advice i can give a new player aside from some of the pointers in the video would be don't be scared to ask questions and observe. Warhammer really is a spectator sport
It's absolutely not a spectator sport. It's not a sport and it is awfully boring and uninformative to watch. As questions all you like, that is actually unavoidable and people will be happy to explain. Spectator? Sport? Come on Bruv. 😂😂😂
I spent a year looking into 40k then decided to get into One Page Rules
Yes, this. I think this is where everyone should start. GW really should come up with a simple set of rules like that for new players.
@@JaxTheReaper21Play older editions like 3rd or 4th and you can do that. OPR is basically just bootleg 40k made up of spiteful players.
Good luck trying to find people who play such old editions. I’d kill for a group that plays 5th
@@CausticSpace personally if you make it easy to get into via having the old codex and a quick reference sheet it makes the process a lot easier. Also it helps if they aren't running Primaris space marines.
Best advice for a new person, is actually to take it slow, you'll find a lot of people who have spent a lot on warhammer, buy things because they are 'a deal', you keep doing that and you'll find it'll be more than you can keep up with, instead try to buy one or two kits at a time, build and paint them, then look to your next purchase, you may miss out on some 'deals', or even models, this way, but you'll spend less overall. Those large army boxes may be good value, but can be a grey plastic trap.
Almost fell into this when I joined a 2nd hand seller group. Ironically after a while the group itself turned me off of buying more because I saw people posting the same things to sell repeatedly and nobody would be interested.
Best advice: Make sure there are people playing around you before buying. Otherwise you have to be the whole community.
Also showing off everything is a challenge in and of itself. Hope you like running led lights.
I would always recommend when looking at your first army is making sure you at least like the look of one character,one squad and a vehicle from that faction so that if you don’t jive with the rest of the army,you can at least have 3 of those each
I'm new coming to the tabletop after playing Space Marine 2. I knew it was going to be expensive, but when I realized how expensive the supplies were, I was shocked. It's like I just bought $60 worth of minis oh wait I need clippers, a knife, paints, brushes just to get them ready but after all that I don't have enough points to actually play lol
I’d recommend starting with a complete box game such as Space Marine: the board game, or the killteam:octarius starter box.
This gives you a good start on getting minis as well as a full two player playable game. No need for codices yet and you can sucker a buddy into playing
If you want to get into miniature wargaming, start with BattleTech: A Game of Armored Warfare. It is $50, comes with a rulebook that really has not changed since 1985, a hex map that actually fits on a coffee table, and 8 mechs that are new, cool looking sculpts of mechs that have stats that have not changed...ever. An "Army" is just 4 mechs, and mechs are easy to paint. Just paint them army green with a metallic cockpit window. The box also includes the stat cards for the eight mechs for the Alpha Strike, simpler/faster game, and that is what I play now. Alpha Strike is great. Just download the free starter rules for that. However, still by this box as it is the best value for money.
My advice to a new player: If you want to eventually play 1500+ point games, do not buy everything all at once. It gets overwhelming very quickly when you are looking at everything you have to build and paint. Spread your purchases out. And if it turns out that painting/playing that army is not for you, then at least you didn't spend so much money on it and hopefully you can sell/give it to someone who's interested
My first Game I asked my Opponent to help me with the Rules because I didn't know everything exactly. He even pointed out in the middle of the Game "If you teleport your Termis here you can attack the Unit". I wish everyone starting out with an Introductory Game like this.
When we played "seriously" later, he swept me off the Table Round 2, but that's another Story😉
Honestly my best advice for new players is to stretch. Often. Your body will tense up when painting or playing. Stretch out your back, unclench your jaw and loosen your shoulders. This drains a lot of energy.
Forgot I was a member lol
Appreciate the notification, TH-cam.
I wish someone posted a video about the litanies of etiquette in Warhammer.
Maybe one day
Buy Recasts and DO NOT engage on competitive warhammer. Believe me, I cannot stress enough how many times I have sat arguing rules with manchilds that run tantrums just because I accidently did a 6.000000001 movement or being punished because my opponent was to fast that it's already too late to react.
Now, painting models is fun. Man is it a relaxing hobby. But screw citadel paints. Out of that I love warhammer :)
This is a problem with wargaming in general.
To put it brutally; this is some people's only claim to competence, and they'll sometimes cheat, simply because they got away with it before.
@@wiilov Yeah, like I know I will either a 5.89 or 6.002 movement. But when I am with these "pro" players they literally take this as a cheating and want to go all over you. Like bro, we are playing with toy soldiers. Chill!
Lean into the aspects of the hobby you enjoy, and the intrinsic motivation you gain from that will carry you the rest of the way through
Best advice I can give is don't buy any minis till you are set on your faction and lore. example before i found what the main army i wanted to paint/use i kept reading books and thinking "i really like that character. do they have a mini? they do. imma buy it." I have a bunch of custodies, a few orks, a phoenix lord, and grey knights now that i'll never use because I choose the Black Templars and Imperial Fists because I love their lore and designs. All that goes out the window if you just want to collect minis that look cool though.
The lightning round sounded like side-effects listed at the end of an ad for a medical product
10:30 I can contest to this. When I started Imperial Guard, I lost every game… now I’m on an 11 win streak!
8:28 "Nice"
Especially in australia, I just can't recommend anyone get into the hobby without 3d printing.
So my advice is either buy a 3d printer or more often "do not buy the minis, i will print your army for you."
I downloaded the WH app, did a bunch of research, built an army, then went in the GW website and put everything into my cart for my 1000 point army. Imagine my surprise when it came out to roughly $600 not including the codex, paint or accessories. Maybe I'll just try a starter kit 😂
I miss the stay away from push fit models, you can't pose them and it's just easy to break something when pushing stuff together.
0:48 I love this mini... Man I miss TTS
I'm starting a tyranid army again ( mainly inspired from the game) but yeah.. I'm 3D printing the whole thing and probably just going to play 5th or 7th edition with my friends as we enjoyed that... you don't have to play the most up to date with the latest toys... remember... RULE OF COOL!!! Edit: ebay and old editions can be your friends :)
I've got a good controversial one: Every buck you spend on miniatures, doesn't go back into miniatures.
One of the things that many people dont really take into account when purchasing Warhammer miniatures is that you're more than likely purchasing into the Warhammer IP which covers the books, miniatures, paints, licenses, and just about everything else. The money that you give to GW isn't just going directly back into the miniature making, but is capital that is invested back into the IP. Our hobby seems to be only a small part in what is an otherwise, global wargaming brand. It is apparent that the market will bear the price of a miniature. It more strikes me that a bunch of what GW produces is bloating the price since they have so much that they need to maintain and produce, AoS, 40k, LoTR, HH, and all the rest of their boxed games for the wargaming scene alone. Their manpower seems strained which could explain the balance and design issues since they are spread across such a vast expanse of armies and settings. Thats not to mention the cost of *everything* going up because of inflation.
Not justifying these prices and if you think I am, then you're part of the problem: always saying "bring down the prices!" Which, yes, is valid, but you're not actually pulling at their strings. By understanding these, we can begin to identify where we can strike them the hardest. Do a little yar har haring and delegitimize the use case of their products if we want to keep playing WH. But if a comeptitor is to rise up, its going to take a long time. In the meantime, just break their rules and don't give them your buckaroos while still using their stuff.
This hobby can be VERY expensive. You do not NEED to invest time/money in any particular aspect of the Warhammer universe. If you don't like painting, you don't NEED to do so. Don't like lore and just want to run generic models on the table? Go right ahead! Opponent doesn't like that aspect? Find a new one!
If you're just looking to have fun painting cool models, look around at other companies. Plenty of games exist, and the models are great. Many are less expensive, too!
I don't know if anyone but Handi might see this but sometimes I like to go out into my garden in the dead of night and pretend to be an Iron Warrior Cataphractii fighting in an Zone Mortalis bunker!
Lol
Don't be afraid to buy used models: they'll be cheaper, but will need a bit of effort to strip and repaint. Also, if you want to buy new, buy from your local game store, especially if its an independent store. Never buy at full rrp, never from gw's own store/online shop. There's always a discount retailer online somewhere.
If I'm to give advice to a new player if say, "Play the game with a friend that is into it with you. Play close to the rules, but alo have a hell of a fun time with it. How I got into it and enjoyed, never played an official game, so take this with a grain of salt bit just have a real fun time with it.
That old man watch jump scare
I sold my buddy the necron half of the imperium mags at what i payed for them so he's got over 2k of crons super cheap. I didn't make him pay for it all at once so he could get an army and get playing asap.
I’d say don’t fall into the buying of Warhammer. Paint the models you have. When everything you have is painted, then buy your next box. I don’t like buying second hand so I’ll never tell someone to do that. But don’t fall into the new releases dopamine rush. Buying box after box for the high of having it, only to have a pile of boxes while you haven’t finished painting 1 unit.
So as someone who's interesse in just painting minis and getting better at that, I can just buy second-hand/minis people bought as a set but they don't want?
No codex, no building a whole army, no environmental parts, no transport cases....is it still super expensive this way?
Actual question.
Not as expensive as buying new check out trolltrader or ebay. Troll trader usually has good deals on used minis
Just buy 3d print minis, piss cheap, good as gold, get someone local to print them for arround 5$ each, just be specific with what you want
Gw does a good job overshadowing other miniature producing companies but they are out there. There are historical miniatures which aren't that expensive, Warlord games has quite a variety of time periods. There's a company called Mantic Games that has some great boxes with a ton of minis (mainly fantasy but they do have a sci-fi game). You can also look around for miniature board games and other wargames at an Lgs. Reaper miniatures has a lot of single minis. But if you really want Gw plastic there is a subreddit called miniswap for buying, selling, and trading Gw minis, and bits. But don't limit yourself to just Gw there is so much out there.
My suggestion: have one brush to use exclusively for metallic paints cause metallic paints f*cks up your brushes.
I too have a pile of shame
You know now I understand why my friend thats into wh40k 3d prints his minifigs
Probably said allot, but unless you're planning on playing in a warhammer store or offical tournament, its okay to buy models from other companies, 3d print your own.
Even if you dont own or cant reasonably have a 3d printer, you can look at sellers like only games to buy reasonably good looking models for cheap, look up opr's models for good proxies for sisters of battle, the chaos deamons, stuff like that. And the starter armies cost about 100 usd.
Most Warhammer like games dont care about what models you use, so if you buy GW models, you dont have to throw them away. ( Don't be me when the scrapped old world for AoS.)
Duuude. Which blue did you use for the models at the end? 🤩
Macragge, dry brushed with Caldor sky, pin washed with drakkenhof
I have recently bought a starter set from Mantic Games: Firefight and I have compared it to GW's Starter Sets. Then it made me compare the two companies overall. And I came to these conclusions:
- The Mantic starter sets have two complete armies in them that are big enough to make up a good and fun game without any additions. Any further purchase from Mantic becomes just a cherry on top for if you really want it.
In GWs starter boxes there is barely enough miniatures for a base game and the "game" you get out of them lacks dymanics and veriety. GW designs these boxes to make you crave more miniatures, just so you can satisfy your basic need for a fun basegame.
Mantic offers you more if you want it. GW manipulates you into wanting more.
- Overall Manticgames offers you entire big armies for prices under 200 Dollars. In GW you wont even have a baseline 1500 point Space Marine army. That needs 600+ Dollars.
- Mantic games miniatures are not as detailed as GW minis. GW has the upper hand here. But you pay for this slight upper hand with 3x to 4x times the cost. But that doesnt mean Mantic games minis are ugly. they arent! they are still really nice builds and for an average painter its incredibly hard to really take advantage of the details in GW minis anyways.
- The Rules for Manticgames are free on their Website. GW forces you to either buy a giant book that is obsolete in 3-4 years, or buy a starter set for a mini version.
- after playing firefight for a while me and my friend realised: We had MUCH more fun with firefight than we had with Warhammer 40k atm and we could recall the last time having that much fun with 40k to the time way before 2017! The biggest causes for this are: Firefight is an activation-based game. You activate and use a unit, I activate and use a unit. Like a game of chess. It keeps you engaged constantly because you dont have to wait for your opponent to make their turn for their entire army. You also dont have that awkward situation where your opponent starts the match and shoots half of your army dead before it even had the chance to make one turn. The Mantic rules are also way less bloated and complex. Wich can be a bummer for some rule cracks, but it makes the game so much easier to understand and play fluently. A game of Firefight with an equal army size to 40k takes only half the time to play and you had fun and engagement for the entire time.
- The developers and owners of Mantic Games engage directly with the community. the men who make the game are gamers and have passion for what they do. In GW the men who make the game are businessmen with no personal connection to their product. the people with passion for their game can only be found in the low and middle ranks of the company and you can feel that in all of their decisions.
- The Mantic pricing is transparent and easy to grasp over their whole range. Thats a big unit, it costs this. Thats a troop unit, it costs this. The GW pricing is all over the place, based on throwing tea leaves and bones.
So in my conclusion: Mantic is WAY cheaper (fact), still looks great (fact), the game is more fun (subjective), the devs are eye to eye with the customers (fact)
And then there is OnePageRules! You can take all these points I said about mantic and export them exactly like that on OnepageRules and it fits perfectly too! And there is other game companies doing the same!
GW has games with great Lore and art, wich is the only reason their systems keep us hooked. but to me that doesnt justify all the negatives about their game and products. If you have never played alternatives I really recommend you to try it. And I promise you: You will be SO upset when you experience first hand what a low quality experience GW actually offer you, compared to their competitors.
3d printing is a friend, even if you outsource it, a noise marine could be 45 for 1, or 5 for 1, your call.
Another brutal truth is that GW has convinced the community to be its biggest pool of unpaid salesman. So many people i see are concerned with getting people into the game. I genuinely dont care to be their salesmen unless they pay me. This is like trying to get more people into Fortnite or NFL. if anything its better to explore other games that revolve around space marines and grimdark.
there's a warhammer store like 15 mins from me but i've never been. I read the books and play the games but never bought a miniature. If i did now i'd just 3d print. if I want to play the game i have tabletop sim
@@Nadaters game of thrones was one of the most watched TV shows in history and still was the most pirated shows. You're still participating in something popular even if you don't contribute a dollar to the models.
Aww yeah, new handy video. Time to get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather, he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold."
When I was a kid I wanted to try 40K. I had the time but not the money. I'm now an adult with a house and above-average income in a developed country.. I could maybe make the time but looking at the costs. Let's say it's £1500 to get one army and the other stuff you need. But that army might go from strong to useless in a month. Now I want to buy another army because mine's useless. That's another £1000. I'm proabably looking at ~150 hours to do the painting and learn some rules. Then I can play some games. All this is too much. I can't commit these resources to hobby unless I know I'll love it and even then it's a stretch.
Here's one truth (my friend finally accepts)
The lore is window dressing Bulit to be retconed.
As the dark future everything is under information suppression, missinformation, propaganda, disinformation, myth, legends, to justify every update, units edit or Factions addition or removal.
Enjoy the lore don't get to attached as the series has a long history of retcons.
ah yes, the tau, they say we're weird because we attracted to the blue fish_goat people, we're actually attracted to the mechs.
Honest advise: Get a 3d Printer, Super glue, Vallejo primer and and a beginner oil paint set from a reputable company. All hobby branded stuff you can get at the local arts and crafts store for a third of the price
Do not pick an army like drukhari as a first army. Armies that are a small range, spindly tiny elves, expensive, key models locked in finecast, and a high difficulty curve will be taxing to start with. Ussually the smaller armies are neglected as well, so starting out you are going to have limited options and no hope of a full rules release anytime soon. I started with drukhari and love the army, but it's been difficulty to learn an expensive. I would have dropped drukhari and pivoted to something else if I didn't have 4 other DE players around me. With it being a small playerbase most people won't be that lucky.
I tell ppl to start with space marines, because for most space marines u can find the minis from a second hand market and get them less than half off, right now eBay has good prices on minis from the leviathan set, I got 10 terminators for about 45$ from eBay from the leviathan set
I play the games and read the books but if I ever got into the models I think I'd just do tabletop sim or 3d printing
How dust profe are this cases? from ikea?
pretty good havent really had to dust my stuff at all since the newer ones are sealed
@@Handi_Crafts great to haer, in irl they lookt in the ikea store a litte to open, so maby time to get one!
@@anno-fw7xn depends on which one you get too. The ones I mentioned in the video are probably the best options the older versions are the ones that are more open. I have to seal my old detolf because it was too open.
My advice would be to think carefully how deep you really want to get into the hobby. Nobody needs to buy themselves an expensive army if they just like the lore. And even if you like building the little figures, you don't have to rush in with a mortgage payment to get yourself stacked up on minis. Seriously, take your time.
It is really sad how some fans sadly just go to far and this is double for bug Warhammer channels since they have now gained a financial incentive to not criticize GW at all Buyers Remorse is such a bad thing to have not being able to admit to yourself you are making a mistake or that others could be right about negative things that your favorite company is doing since you have spent so much time and money on the product.
I critisize GW on a regular basis Im pretty sure Im blacklisted by them now
Great video
Makes you wonder how a box of injection molded, unassembled, unpainted plastic is so expensive. Oh I know why, cynical greed. No wonder GW is terrified of people 3D printing their own models and act like you'll go to prison for being caught at a tournament with one.
Heres one.
Every piece of lore in Warhammer is dictated by whatever GW wants to make money from.
A cool character dies? Well you can guarantee hes coming back to life at some point
No new miniature for an old character, even though the others are out? GW probably killed them, because not enough people bought them.
the sad part about 40k and something you can see, in even the last 2-5 years is how scummy GW is. They don't care about the lore, balance, and players at all. And people still seem to cover for them
If ya get into Warhammer specifically 40k, I highly suggest playing smaller games and using wahapedia for your rules. Proxy if ya can. This helps ya not have the problem like me with several 2k armies and I don't play them cause I hate their rules. I'm ngl at the end of the day 10th edition has not been enjoyable I've been far more enjoying other games like AoS, Kill team, or other games in general, malifaux, flesh and blood, mtg, looking at battle tech soon
Id 3d print a starter set for new players
Honest truth about Warhammer in general is it used to be great, now not so much.
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I am alpharius this is a lie.
Jokes asaide great vid handi
I trust nothing in this video, the thumbnail is Alpharius guys!
Nah its Omegon
Whatever you do, try to avoid Ad Mech as your first playable army. It costs WAY too much and the key infantry units are too small and detailed for their own good!
Better than being the 69th million space marine player.
At least the 69th million space marine player hasnt spent £750 for a 1k points army! Also ez basing material
I did it but i needet a lot of time and Had to bei super smart. 500€ vor 2k
;w;
My honest advice when it comes to getting into Warhammer: get into Battletech instead.
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Man the fact that he posted alpharius in the title of his video as the title picture the picture tiltle the picture that goes at the interview of the video the pictures picture of the video the openning font of the video the video thumbnail. Ah thats what its called the video thumbnail yes the fact that he put alpharius in the video thumbnail makes me want to trust him more for some reason as if some kind of indoctrination or conditioning is taking hold…
9:18 bold of you to assume I could tell the difference
Best tips for people.
1. Don't play 40k. One Page Rules and Horus Heresy are so much better.
2. Get a friend with a 3D printer.
my opinion: kit bashing is more fun and *sometimes* cheaper
If you ever feel like coming our of the dark ages & get a better quality experience come play Infinity the Game
I already have BattleTech
You can have bothe
as a long time Warhammer fan I just want to tell you all, you dont have to engage with the Buying, collecting, painting and tabletop playing side of the hobby if you dont want to..
I have been into warhammer for about 14 years and has NEVER bought any models or been to any tabletop gaming store. I engage with Warhammer fantasy and 40k purely for the lore, read all the books and play P'n'P role-playing game with friends, and as the Game masters, develop unique lore friendly characters and stories. write my own fanfic, build up my own whole sub-sectors of planets, unique guard regiments and cultures, Sororitas convents and space marine origins.
Why not make your own space opera setting at that point?
@@lincawebot3681 because its more difficult to find random people online interested in talking about my own setting, easier to find players for roleplaying games, many more resources via roleplaying supplements for very specific already written plots and stories to take inspiration from etc. much more accessible than doing everything from the ground up yourself..
Although I do also try my hand at scifi writing, but I'm not great at it.. also easier to get writing feedback online from dedicated fan-fiction sites than for your own scifi.
@@lincawebot3681because he wants to be latched on to a successful hobby to part of a group. If tomorrow a new wargame took over you would see these fans jump over talking about how passionate they are
Get a 3D printer and get into older editions with a few casual friends that aren't going to change every month.
Here's the real truth,
40k is designed to hook whales through artificial FOMO, cost-sunk fallacy, and meta chasing, though the guise of "Competitive" play (which is impossible as rules are released to promote sales and nerf others)
Buy what you want and play narrative or one-page-rules. Or play other better systems instead like Asmodee/Warlord
*Codices
To be honest you are the worst person to give advice. The way u throw away money is nuts
Don’t
I can't lie I disagree with a lot of this. Models retain value after opening 100%. 30% profit margin isnt insane for a company, its actually quite low
Shut up, you dont need to defend the multi million dollar company that sells petrochems, delude yourself about other things if you gotta be deluded
I was gifted a membership i think
Yup
@@Handi_Crafts well that good then
START. WITH. 1. (ONE.) BOX. I heard that advice myself, I didn't listen, and I learned that hard way that the anxiety over getting it done will start your pile of shame that will sit there for years.
Watching this makes me feel better about my Military gear hobbie, Watching people spend thousands of dollars on cheap chinese plastic is insane.
the minis are made in the UK so cheap british plastic
Making the molds for making the sprue is the most expensive part, the value of the plastic it self is most likely less then a dollar.
Advice for new players: sell your first born child or one of your kidneys. Believe me, it's worth it.