I was reading something in another window while the video played and I didn't even realize you were switching the amps, they sound the same. Great video!
Amazing video comparison, I love the setup here where you're doing apples to apples through the same IR so that we're really just hearing the amp. I also have the Soldano plugin and absolutely love it; sometimes I mute the cab-section and send the output through the effects-return of my 5150 Iconic just to get the Soldano sound in the room with me. Not that it's a huge difference, but it's nice to have the EQ in the plugin to play with.
Never gonna sell my amps but i can't tell the difference. I'm gonna get the quad cortex and capture my favorite tones from my amps or rent amps from the local music shop and capture those. I would pay money for a capture of the Bad Boy and the modded Plexi. What a time to be alive.
That sounds fantastic! I played a Soldano recently, I don’t remember the model, but I remember being blown away and realizing that Soldano was a real contender in the market. I didn’t know that before that, I’ve never heard of it. I’m a bass player, and thinking about different guitars and amp combos. Years ago, we played at the Eagles ballroom in Milwaukee and we opened for COB. I remember my guitar player Lewie and I hanging out front of the Rave with Roope, and we walked across the street to grab some smokes and drinks at the gas station. We got back, and standing out front by the busses, he leans against the bus and says “we are Children of Budweiser!” I thought it was pretty funny, but we hung out with him for probably a half an hour. He was such a nice guy. Saw Alexi for a bit too. I wish I would’ve been able to meet the other guys, but we really had a good time with Roope.
I've had the exact same reaction with the Quad Cortex It flat out blew me away like no plugin or digital box ever has. Got one on loan twice, did a couple gigs with it, and now I'm ordering one. And each and every person who I work with on a regular basis has commented on how amazingly good this thing sounds. It's a blast to play too. The Neural DSP guys definitely have this thing figured out.
It's crazy that this frontier has been crossed already. I think it's great. With the stuff available today, you can produce a very thorough demo in your bedroom that sounds better than many records from 20-30 years ago. Personally though, I can't play through anything that has any kind of latency. When recording, I'll split the signal and have an amp in the room and that's what I'm listening to. I'm fine with modelers in practice/live. As long as it runs through a power amp and a cabinet, I really don't care whether it's a "real tube amp" or modeling.
in my years of experience with these and other VSTs and VSTI's ive never experienced any latency , if you find you are then try using Asio drivers and be sure your computer has enough CPU to support the software, cheers!
@@mattdylan664 I actually use a high end PC build and of course I have a quality ASIO interface. But you'll always have this added latency in the plugin realm, even if you set the buffer size to pretty low. It's enough for me to feel it. Soundwise, the plugins are definitely there though.
I have the Peavey Valveking so I need neither. In doubt? Check the Glenn Fricker video where he demonstrates that the eq curves of a SLO100 and a Peavey Valve King are nigh identical.
It's crazy how close we can capture the sound of an amp or pedal now. I have a bunch of Neural's plugins and was looking at getting this one for Black Friday this year, it sounds just like the real thing as you clearly showed here 👍
STL Tones are really good too, I have the Andy James, Josh Middleton and the Lasse Lammert one and they all kick ass. So many different amps to choose from with those 3 plug ins. I have tried most of the dsp ones and the Soldano one was really tight, i will probably end up with that one as well. Some days i wonder why i even spent money on a mesa mark V lol
Very very very similar. In a few years, I think everything will be digital gear. They are very close to real amps with enourmous options, portable solutions and avoid problems of tube amps. Future is here. I loce tube amps, but we have to recognize the technology os growing so fast that…it’s diffcult to resist the new reality.
Just another great demo. Listening to it without watching I couldn't tell apart what was real and what modelled. I trust you with your feel on the latency topic, many of us are very picky about that. I just hope digital evolution l doesn't stop with modelling. There are a few pedals out there with original sounds and I honestly would prefer to follow that route with plugins, so we don't all sound 1:1 the same.
Was the hardware version of the amp mic'd up with a real microphone and connected to a real speaker cabinet? That's the comparison I want to make. It's not about amp versus amp emulation; it's about physical speakers versus speaker emulation.
Euge, I looove how your amps sound so much! If you would ever have an idea to make Tonex captures of your tones it could be great! Thanks for the video!
Fantastic demo and validates what I knew when I bought the plugin!! Now for the real test… Euge, can you get your hands on a Mesa MKII C+ and compare it to the Neural plugin. I have that plugin, as well. 😁 Thanks for all you give us. Pure excellence, as always.
Awesome 💪 How is the feeling playing through the Quad Cortex compared to the interfaces HighZ input? Does it feel even more direct and more like a real amp
Great video! Would it be possible to see a video on using Neural DSP cabs and comparing different mic settings/combinations, maybe even compared to your real cabs?
Nice video!!! Did you do anything to the graphic EQ on the plugin? I wonder if you can somehow send us your settings? Excellent job!!!---- I will try and freeze the screen to see the settings. Hopefully they are all there.
Love this! I will say in the argument of real vs digital, that in my experience I've found my pedal board will react much differently to a real amp as opposed to digital, which I would expect. It doesn't sound bad, but just different to me. So when I use plugins, i just plug my guitar straight into my audio interface and just use nothing but the pedals and amps in the digital amp modeling platform I'm using which just so happens to be Neural DSP lately. Their Mark IIc+ and Cali plugins are just awesome.
i love this video, you sir have made me very happy getting the neural soldano plugin, ive been wondering if it will sound like the real amp and you comfirm it does. thank you
Took me a while to accept plugins and it came down to finding quality IR cabinets. Now I can get identical sounds from my JP2C and Neural DSP 2c+ plugin. Almost doesn't make any sense to mic a cabinet anymore. Problem with plugins is that it's easy to get carried away buying them all lol
Neural has the best amp plugins on the planet…bar none. Those guys are genius’s with ALL their products. I believe they’re also involved with Bare Knuckle Pickups, as well if memory serves. Btw…are those studio monitor speakers new, Euge???
It would be really foolish for me to spend $4000 just for the head and another $1200 or more for a cab to record and play in my studio/music room. Yeah it's great seeing a half stack or full stack sitting there but since technology's finally caught up Software gets the job done just as good now. Neural DSP is a real game changer for me. Also really like the Nolly archetype and the Nameless suite.🤘
Sounds great. But to be fair you could make any of your amps sound like that with your music style. The real sauce with the SLO is Knopfler and Clapton. Not chug
If you use high quality headphones or high quality speakers, the difference between an amp sim and a real amp is obvious. If you use poor laptop or poor phone speakers, it comes become indistinguishable. I am always able to discern which one is which in a/b tests with high quality headphones. It’s also very obvious when you’re at a venue if someone is using amp sims. Not saying one is bad, but it’s very obvious the difference.
Plugins have become so good that "real" amps now have more cons than they have pros. they're becoming niche luxury items, akin to what classic cars are today. and i'm here for it!
Of course, but you're forgetting that when you play an amplifier with the cab things change a lot. The sound of the monitors is for listening, not for playing. The new generations have confused ideas
@@MarcoCiafrone i'd actually argue that some people overblow the impact that having a cabinet blasting right beside you have with the enjoyment of playing. it's not that big of a deal for most people, and there is nothing stopping those who care from getting a poweramp+cabinet and playing plugins through them. would be a good use of the $3k~4k you'd save by not buying a SLO100 to begin with 😉 also, euge was playing both through his monitors and for me it looked like he was enjoying himself plenty
@@parcosmaulo1 To be honest, I hardly play above 85db with my amps. I simply find the amp+cab experience more satisfying than any sound coming out of a monitor, whether real or digital. Many have never even turned on an amplifier and speak by hearsay.
@@MarcoCiafronethe old generations seem confused too as you can run the plugins into a cab. At the end of the cab is literally just a speaker, same as monitors. The olds, unsurprisingly, have serious gaps in their knowledge wrt technology
There IS a small "warmth" I am detecting on the real amp, but I feel that it COULD be "EQed" in the plugin with more time and sound tests? get it from 97% to 99.5%! Hats off to Neural, amazing.
Sounds like the distortion/drive on the real amp has a bit more harmonic overtone, and isn't as saturated. But it's subtle. Not 4 grand difference, but a difference nonetheless. :) great vid as always.
The plugin sound really cool. Ok the real amp win but it's a pleasure to play through the plugin. I have play already with DSP and the Default preset is perfect
To me the real amp sounded more dynamic. The plugin sounded a bit flat. Listening with studio monitor headset. But both sounded great. And cool playing as usual.
Real amp sounds the best for sure, more precise, the plugin add a lot of noise in the mid highs, sounds less clear. But the real question is : Is the real SLO worth 15 times the plugin? Probably not it you don’t earn you life with it.
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Best guitar gear reviews on the internet. Great job Euge!
True
Yes. He'd deserve more attention. Great channel
That's insanely close, lovely vid!
I was reading something in another window while the video played and I didn't even realize you were switching the amps, they sound the same. Great video!
Amazing video comparison, I love the setup here where you're doing apples to apples through the same IR so that we're really just hearing the amp. I also have the Soldano plugin and absolutely love it; sometimes I mute the cab-section and send the output through the effects-return of my 5150 Iconic just to get the Soldano sound in the room with me. Not that it's a huge difference, but it's nice to have the EQ in the plugin to play with.
Man I’m super glad you did this one. Been my main plugin for 2 years and the X update they nailed it.
Never gonna sell my amps but i can't tell the difference. I'm gonna get the quad cortex and capture my favorite tones from my amps or rent amps from the local music shop and capture those. I would pay money for a capture of the Bad Boy and the modded Plexi. What a time to be alive.
At first I believed that it was the same, but at 07:59 you can immediately hear that the plugin produces sand like a pedal.)) Thanx for that video!
Yeah these ndsp plugins are killer. The SLO plugin was my first one 2 years ago. Great comparison man
That sounds fantastic! I played a Soldano recently, I don’t remember the model, but I remember being blown away and realizing that Soldano was a real contender in the market. I didn’t know that before that, I’ve never heard of it. I’m a bass player, and thinking about different guitars and amp combos. Years ago, we played at the Eagles ballroom in Milwaukee and we opened for COB. I remember my guitar player Lewie and I hanging out front of the Rave with Roope, and we walked across the street to grab some smokes and drinks at the gas station. We got back, and standing out front by the busses, he leans against the bus and says “we are Children of Budweiser!” I thought it was pretty funny, but we hung out with him for probably a half an hour. He was such a nice guy. Saw Alexi for a bit too. I wish I would’ve been able to meet the other guys, but we really had a good time with Roope.
I've had the exact same reaction with the Quad Cortex It flat out blew me away like no plugin or digital box ever has. Got one on loan twice, did a couple gigs with it, and now I'm ordering one. And each and every person who I work with on a regular basis has commented on how amazingly good this thing sounds. It's a blast to play too. The Neural DSP guys definitely have this thing figured out.
Wow great job dialing those in exactly the same! Great tone! 👍🏼 I'm sold on the plugin and I already have the synergy slo
It's crazy that this frontier has been crossed already. I think it's great. With the stuff available today, you can produce a very thorough demo in your bedroom that sounds better than many records from 20-30 years ago. Personally though, I can't play through anything that has any kind of latency. When recording, I'll split the signal and have an amp in the room and that's what I'm listening to. I'm fine with modelers in practice/live. As long as it runs through a power amp and a cabinet, I really don't care whether it's a "real tube amp" or modeling.
in my years of experience with these and other VSTs and VSTI's ive never experienced any latency , if you find you are then try using Asio drivers and be sure your computer has enough CPU to support the software, cheers!
@@mattdylan664 I actually use a high end PC build and of course I have a quality ASIO interface. But you'll always have this added latency in the plugin realm, even if you set the buffer size to pretty low. It's enough for me to feel it. Soundwise, the plugins are definitely there though.
I have the Peavey Valveking so I need neither.
In doubt?
Check the Glenn Fricker video where he demonstrates that the eq curves of a SLO100 and a Peavey Valve King are nigh identical.
Thanks Euge! This is something I've always wanted to hear.
It's crazy how close we can capture the sound of an amp or pedal now. I have a bunch of Neural's plugins and was looking at getting this one for Black Friday this year, it sounds just like the real thing as you clearly showed here 👍
STL Tones are really good too, I have the Andy James, Josh Middleton and the Lasse Lammert one and they all kick ass. So many different amps to choose from with those 3 plug ins. I have tried most of the dsp ones and the Soldano one was really tight, i will probably end up with that one as well. Some days i wonder why i even spent money on a mesa mark V lol
Very very very similar. In a few years, I think everything will be digital gear. They are very close to real amps with enourmous options, portable solutions and avoid problems of tube amps. Future is here. I loce tube amps, but we have to recognize the technology os growing so fast that…it’s diffcult to resist the new reality.
The Neural DSP sounds very good. Articulated. No fizziness.
Adjusting the input level into the amp sim may help it get closer.
I downloaded the demo and I think it sounds really good.
Euge! Great stuff! What do you think about the quad cortex?
If there is a difference it’s not enough to make a deal about great playing brother wow
Very close. Great demo. You’re getting a killer tone from the real amp!
Just another great demo.
Listening to it without watching I couldn't tell apart what was real and what modelled.
I trust you with your feel on the latency topic, many of us are very picky about that.
I just hope digital evolution l doesn't stop with modelling. There are a few pedals out there with original sounds and I honestly would prefer to follow that route with plugins, so we don't all sound 1:1 the same.
I own the nameless an a couple other neural dsp I haven’t bought the soldano yet but I will now
Hi thanks love your channel😊 great and interesting video😊 would it be possible to get your presets you used in this video? Cheers
Was the hardware version of the amp mic'd up with a real microphone and connected to a real speaker cabinet? That's the comparison I want to make. It's not about amp versus amp emulation; it's about physical speakers versus speaker emulation.
Euge, I looove how your amps sound so much! If you would ever have an idea to make Tonex captures of your tones it could be great! Thanks for the video!
Fantastic demo and validates what I knew when I bought the plugin!! Now for the real test… Euge, can you get your hands on a Mesa MKII C+ and compare it to the Neural plugin. I have that plugin, as well. 😁 Thanks for all you give us. Pure excellence, as always.
Awesome 💪 How is the feeling playing through the Quad Cortex compared to the interfaces HighZ input? Does it feel even more direct and more like a real amp
Great video! Would it be possible to see a video on using Neural DSP cabs and comparing different mic settings/combinations, maybe even compared to your real cabs?
Nice video!!! Did you do anything to the graphic EQ on the plugin? I wonder if you can somehow send us your settings? Excellent job!!!---- I will try and freeze the screen to see the settings. Hopefully they are all there.
btw did you notice that if you set the effect loop in by pass in the amp the sound change a lot? maybe that is the difference you hear in the low end.
Love this! I will say in the argument of real vs digital, that in my experience I've found my pedal board will react much differently to a real amp as opposed to digital, which I would expect. It doesn't sound bad, but just different to me. So when I use plugins, i just plug my guitar straight into my audio interface and just use nothing but the pedals and amps in the digital amp modeling platform I'm using which just so happens to be Neural DSP lately. Their Mark IIc+ and Cali plugins are just awesome.
i love this video, you sir have made me very happy getting the neural soldano plugin, ive been wondering if it will sound like the real amp and you comfirm it does. thank you
We need more of this
Excellent!,…with all these plug ins!,….real amps are not needed anymore!,…Amazing!
You're right they really are not. At least not for my needs. If I was on tour I might think different?
Joe Satriani recorded his entire new project with a plug-in
Thank you! Always metal and so conclusive!
I’m like you I don’t know what they done with the new x version but my nameless x is perfect
Love the comparison. Thanks!
Great demo, thanks Euge
I think the tube amp has richer lows, has warmer saturation, the amp sim is tighter and more "modern" sounding
Euge Valovirta Signature plugin coming next? xD
Fingers crossed.
Took me a while to accept plugins and it came down to finding quality IR cabinets. Now I can get identical sounds from my JP2C and Neural DSP 2c+ plugin. Almost doesn't make any sense to mic a cabinet anymore. Problem with plugins is that it's easy to get carried away buying them all lol
What IR cabinets you found quality?
@@PatrooPL drums and tones the queens road IR pack. it has the "pushed air" type of low end sound I havnen't been able to find anywhere else
@@Nsypski Thank you, will definitely give a try :)
@@PatrooPL let me know what you think!
This really answered a lot of questions for me thank you 🙏
Technology is developing rapidly
Neural has the best amp plugins on the planet…bar none. Those guys are genius’s with ALL their products. I believe they’re also involved with Bare Knuckle Pickups, as well if memory serves. Btw…are those studio monitor speakers new, Euge???
Well done! Excellent content!
It would be really foolish for me to spend $4000 just for the head and another $1200 or more for a cab to record and play in my studio/music room. Yeah it's great seeing a half stack or full stack sitting there but since technology's finally caught up Software gets the job done just as good now. Neural DSP is a real game changer for me. Also really like the Nolly archetype and the Nameless suite.🤘
Cope
They have nail it lov the video thanks again
Great review, man! The only negative point: you should have used the snake skin on the plugin! It looks damn cool! Hahahah! 😎🤘
Sounds great. But to be fair you could make any of your amps sound like that with your music style. The real sauce with the SLO is Knopfler and Clapton. Not chug
If you use high quality headphones or high quality speakers, the difference between an amp sim and a real amp is obvious.
If you use poor laptop or poor phone speakers, it comes become indistinguishable.
I am always able to discern which one is which in a/b tests with high quality headphones. It’s also very obvious when you’re at a venue if someone is using amp sims.
Not saying one is bad, but it’s very obvious the difference.
Tube amps just 'sing' better. Good comparison but I'll still stick with my tube amps and the suhr reactive load IR.
Plugins have become so good that "real" amps now have more cons than they have pros. they're becoming niche luxury items, akin to what classic cars are today. and i'm here for it!
It's like playing video games, but you have to buy one of those massive 80s arcade cabinets every time you want a different game.
Of course, but you're forgetting that when you play an amplifier with the cab things change a lot. The sound of the monitors is for listening, not for playing. The new generations have confused ideas
@@MarcoCiafrone i'd actually argue that some people overblow the impact that having a cabinet blasting right beside you have with the enjoyment of playing. it's not that big of a deal for most people, and there is nothing stopping those who care from getting a poweramp+cabinet and playing plugins through them. would be a good use of the $3k~4k you'd save by not buying a SLO100 to begin with 😉 also, euge was playing both through his monitors and for me it looked like he was enjoying himself plenty
@@parcosmaulo1 To be honest, I hardly play above 85db with my amps. I simply find the amp+cab experience more satisfying than any sound coming out of a monitor, whether real or digital. Many have never even turned on an amplifier and speak by hearsay.
@@MarcoCiafronethe old generations seem confused too as you can run the plugins into a cab. At the end of the cab is literally just a speaker, same as monitors. The olds, unsurprisingly, have serious gaps in their knowledge wrt technology
So, back to Pro Tools now? 🙂
Damn, thats too close😮
5150 II over the Soldando anyday!
Apples over pears any day!
Watching you explain your signal chain makes me wonder…. Maybe Boeing should hire you as a consultant to fix all their garbage.
The actual amp has natural dynamics.
There IS a small "warmth" I am detecting on the real amp, but I feel that it COULD be "EQed" in the plugin with more time and sound tests? get it from 97% to 99.5%! Hats off to Neural, amazing.
And you can smell it via TH-cam compression, right? LMAO!
@@itnefer4787 Any arguments?
@@itnefer4787 TH-cam compression in 2024 is nothing but a myth (that could have been somehow true at some point in a very distant past, though).
@@kingpriapatius5832do you have one that isn’t made up word salad?
Sounds like the distortion/drive on the real amp has a bit more harmonic overtone, and isn't as saturated. But it's subtle. Not 4 grand difference, but a difference nonetheless.
:) great vid as always.
First Spring Day! Damn! Now that's a song❤
Close, really close, in a mix your golden, you could never tell its digital....
The plugin sound really cool. Ok the real amp win but it's a pleasure to play through the plugin. I have play already with DSP and the Default preset is perfect
I think they sound the same wow
Analog!!!! The Best sound
Tonally, they sound really really close, but the amp sound more forward and center!!! More present, !!
The actual amp is fuller, thicker chunkier more feel of vibrations. I'm listening thou a TV also. PLUGIN is okay.
Real Amp has more Clarity, Depth and Definition. But the Plugin sounds not that bad.
I'm gonna be that guy...in a mix they'd be very hard to separate.
Isolated the real amp obviously wins
To me the real amp sounded more dynamic. The plugin sounded a bit flat. Listening with studio monitor headset. But both sounded great. And cool playing as usual.
Real amp sounds the best for sure, more precise, the plugin add a lot of noise in the mid highs, sounds less clear. But the real question is :
Is the real SLO worth 15 times the plugin? Probably not it you don’t earn you life with it.
Yeah the amp sounds like real life, the plug-in sounds like watching a movie
close but no cigar.
Can we find soldano plug ins cracked torrent pirate bay for free?
Think it’s $50
Just buy it. They’re not that expensive
These comparisons have become boring. It is known that to register one thing is worth another. Playing with an amplifier is another thing.