I know Matt has talked about making a tow bar for the wrecker which would fix that issue as well. Rory doesn’t run one, but Matt doesn’t have to pickup and set down the towed vehicle as much because the wrecker is more capable and Sand hollow has more ways out.
They make brake attachments for towed vehicles but they're usually model specific or just a big remote foot to press the brake pedal for you which might work in this case but would easily be bumped out of place I imagine.
We are so thankful for Matt's Offroad Recovery! They came to the rescue when our Bronco was broken on the trail. Without them, who knows how long we would have been waiting out there! Thanks again, Matt and the Team!
Yoo just ordered a bumper from you guys for my Tacoma, funny I see you guys in this video right after ! I’m probably gonna do a little video on it in the next week or two
Matt’s such a upstanding guy. Most tow companies would say “damage is the nature of the beast in situations like this” not Matt. He takes care of it when it happens and makes it clear that he will without question. What a guy.
@CakeArmy_Max Gaming They're company rep or even the owners from DV8 from the sounds of it. It's not a garage job bumper is what I'm saying. DV8 isn't huge, but they're not small either.
@@tommyolson2258 I'm pretty sure those metal eyelets were supposed to be in there from the start, they weren't in there and that's why it rubbed through the soft shackle
The problem was the frame, not the bumper- the frame bent. Or, more accurately, the problem was THORR's method of recovering vehicles by dangling them half in the air while towing them over off-road obstacles...they complain about lack of attachment points, well how many vehicles are going to have attachment points that are going to be able to support that sort of strain?
@AM D idk if stock Wranglers can even be towed like that with the stock backward and top mounted recovery hooks. I'd feel like they'd immediately slip off the THORR. If one of the most common offroad machines can't be pulled like this. Matt and the crew need to figure a way to pull them without a janky and sketchy rigging of softshackles and the winches.
I agree. Just as Eric does with his truck. Sometimes a good old sling does the job best. Not always. Rory doesn't like a sling setup. But better to be equipped for either way and have the option.
The amount of respect for Rory just went through the roof. He has operated alone for years with his. Can’t wait to see Matt get to that level of proficiency. He’ll be unstoppable.
Totally agree I just looked up how those DV8 "winch" bumpers attach. they will inevitably flex into the body of your vehicle. Rear bumpers are the same way tons of complaints of body chafing.
@@codywise1451 -- Someone thought that a winch bumper will probably only ever have a straight pull level to the vehicle... Probably didn't consider the fact that a vehicle should be able to be lifted by a jack from its bumper...
Which I mean is fair to them, no one really expects a bumper to deal with a vertical load that’s like over 50% of the weight with large bumped and sudden momentum changes.
Time to add a tow bar! I know Rory doesn’t like them, and they don’t work well in crazy twisted up situations, but there is definitely a reason for them and they are far better in 90% of what you’ll be doing and will prevent damage to the towed vehicle
Isn't it kinda too solid for sharp angles though? When you use the tow bar on the back of your truck it's mostly on relatively flat ground, right? What about obstacles though..
@@JohnFL BSF was using a tow bar during the wrecker games. It did break eventually but they do work to a certain degree, and maybe with TomTom’s engineering they could make one that can handle the angle. Also important to note they quickly get off the difficult trails on to easier stuff, so maybe they wait to hook it up.
The way it’s rigged makes a big difference in how much angle it can handle. Obviously it can’t do what ropes can do, but here’s the cool thing about using one…. You can unhook it and just use the rope setup to get through something crazy when needed. The simple fact is that for the vast majority of situations the tow bar is better and will save causing damage.
My first car was a 1967 Bronco that my high school FFA teacher in Prairie City, Oregon helped me restore, in 1979. Thank You Mr. Bepp! That Bronco took me into {and home from} every nook of the Eastern Oregon Wilderness, and could literally climb a tree. Later Broncos that my brothers bought reflected F.O.R.D. Fix Or Repair Daily (Smile). Like you never see Horse Drawn carriages anymore...When did Horses lose their ability to draw pictures of wagons and carriages?
We also tried tried to buy a Corvair Lakewood that was in a Barn in Bates Oregon! I fell in love with this channel when they built the MorrVair, teaching Welding and fabrication like Mr. Bepp taught us to weld and build. Respect!
I actually don't think damage like that should be Matt's problem you seriously can't expect to go off-roading crash or have a mechanical failure in the middle of a trail and expect to be rescued with no risk of damage it would be different if Matt backing into a vehicle or tried to pickup a car via something inappropriate and did damage.
How cool that MORR and the customer both got real world feedback about how to improve your designs. Ya never learn anything without stuff being pushed till it fails!
Important lesson there was the soft shackle doesn't like 90 degree angle metal. This is a perfect example of getting experience as you go. Great video and the shack down cruises are definitely important.
Metal d-ring shackles would have been better for that type of bumper or winch mount grill guards! That's why tow trucks carry multiple types of recovery gear!
@@jrrarglblarg9241 That's what you call testing and product refinement, even a 1/8th inch fillet on that would have made a big difference. I'm an industrial designer and you're engrained to put fillets on everything and never leave a sharp edge, even the smallest fillet to maintain a strong edge line if that's what you want.
Made a trip out to Hurricane to see the sites. I am from Georgia and flew out to see all these places with my own eyes and had a great time. I stopped by Winder Towing to see the place and get a T shirt. Had a conversation with the lovely woman behind the counter and it really made the trip memorable for me. The team were unfortunately out on a job, but it was still a blast. Thanks to you Matt and your team for being the awesome, super nice people they are portrayed as in the show. The shirt fits great and will become the go to T for all house and mechanical work. Thanks again, ya'll are great. Keep it up and don't change.
I'm not in anyway experienced in towing (I've been towed plenty of that matters) Perhaps you guys could use one of those rubber tow bars to reduce the risk of collision with the boom and wrecker - also to stabilize the vehicle while towing. And as added protection on top of that, maybe take some yellow foam pool tubes (or maybe something a bit denser) and attach them to the under side of the boom, the end of the boom and the rear bumper of the wrecker. Could also get some heavy mats made (like the kind flatbed trucker drivers use to protect some cargo from strap or chain damage) to throw over the hood and grill of the vehicle being towed, further reducing the risk of damage in boom bump or tail slap. You could have some loops sown all over them so that you could throw it on a hood and use bungees to hold it on.
And thats one of the reasons why Rory doesn't use soft shackles and only D rings on the boom. I'm guessing that by now after the Wrecker games you guys have figured that out already plus more. Always love the content guys it's good to get my weekly dose from all the great off road channels on TH-cam. I'm a Trail Mater/Rory Irish fan through and through and this friend group is absolute goals!!
I think that the so-called games are going to be very educational to all of the participants and they will gain a lot of useful experience to carry forward, except for Rory, he's the king!
Rory is a leader with many years of experience in this type of recovery! I love watching all of them. Each has different content but if you have seen their wrecker builds they have adopted what Rory has proven to work.
Yes the Wrecker is impressive! Good learning experience yada yada yada . But I have only one question. Is there anything Lizzy can't do? I mean seriously! What an awesome role model. No such thing as can't. Her interests and accomplishments are endless. Way to go Lizzy life to its fullest!
This recovery is simply the first of many steps to dial in the wrecker. Things could have been done differently for sure, but it’s a learning process that will take many recoveries to perfect. Rory has the most experience and has learned a lot, but not without his share of ‘awe crap’ moments. 🙂
Hey Lizzy! Remember back being towed in the abandoned car with Randy, the doors swinging open, your face full of dirt, you guys were laughing so hard. I was cracking up 😂 That video was my first MORR watch and I've been hooked since.
@@davidmore190 it didn't struggled with any of inclines in this video and there was many of them. and about breaking parts, it is not finished. it is like v1.1 or smth, it will fail and break in future too, but it is the way of improvement, you can't make something perfect on your first try when you are the first, who is doing it, remember, this guys had to design and develop every part in their or someone's garage
@@davidmore190 Obviously you have never built anything lol. That is totally obvious. Have you never heard of prototyping. Did you see how many failures the Apolo system had. If you had actually built anything you would know that nothing is 100% off the drawing board. I am a professional mechanical engineer you are clearly not qualified to comment on the machine. You build one lol you would not know where to start.
Have to have lots of respect for how easy Rory makes it look towing rigs off serious trails. I've seen him recover a propane truck that nearly rolled down a cliff with TrailMator. I bet some amazing stuff doesn't make it to YT.
Matt, you need to build a pair of adjustable "stand-off bars" for the wrecker. Essentially telescoping pipes that you can adjust the length on. Build a mount for them on the center of the rear bumper of the wrecker and design ends for them that can be attached to the central mount on your wrecker and the outermost part of the front axle(s) of whatever you are towing forming a triangle with the wrecker at the pinnacle. They should be able to pivot up and down freely with a full range of vertical motion but with only a little horizontal movement from side to side once attached at each end. The central pivot at your bumper would make backing the towed vehicle up like a trailer rather than having it free to swing back and forth, etc.. This should prevent the towed vehicle from running under your boom and incurring damage to the hood, bumper, or grill. You would only use them once you have the stuck vehicle free and are towing it back on the trail. Just my .02 cents.
You can really see the difference in experience between Rory and Matt. Rory has obviously been doing this for years, but Matt is knowledgeable enough to learn quickly 🤘
I just watched a review of DV8 bumpers and vehicle body protection and rust was a problem on every piece. I'll let them fix their product before I consider buying it
@@89. I’m sure there’s more to there stories. Definitely miss Trevor and Skeeter, but I’m sure they are doing something they love. Can’t see Matt just getting rid of people for no reason
I mean we see what they show us. No doubt people's tempers get the better of them, these are humans. Pretty rare that TH-camr's put up any type of "negative footage". A few do, but most do not.
When Matt had just the Bannana, he always impressed me with what he could get done with the little he had with him. Things have changed and he is playing in new water. I wonder if Rory gives lessons.
Awesome recovery! I'm impressed about how calm Matt always appear. The hole crew are calm and speaking with each other in a polite and friendly way. No hard words or abusing talks...well done! Deep respect!🤘🤘
I remember Matt explaining that he only needs 2 seats in the wrecker. How many videos has there been, already, with crew riding on the back. He did the same with the MORRvair when he said there was plenty of room in the back.
MischiefMaker only has two seats, but if they have the Banana or Morrvair they’ll have extra seats. I think it’s a fair assumption that the wrecker will normally have an extra vehicle along.
Throughout Matt’s videos one thing that always shines through is, he is a gifted teacher, even though he could more quickly do something himself he usually instructs someone else to do it and guides them through doing it.
I see a bigger/longer boom in the wrecker’s future. It was interesting watching Matt learn how this rigs gets the job done ! I’ve got a set of DV8 tube fenders on my TJ .great stuff at a very reasonable price.
Yes I think either longer or telescoping would be good. Also that DV8 bumper might need some more mounting points or something so it doesn't fold but the unit itself seems very solid.
@@jeffbeard395 longer boom let’s you have more cable out while still having the rig you’re towing’s front wheels off the ground..which means the hood is farther away from boom and the rear end of the truck .
That was pretty cool to see the wrecker working. You guys did a great job on that. I wonder how many people appreciate taking something from a design to proof of concept and finished product with such little problems. Lizzy is a renaissance woman , country swing that’s awesome. Holly and Mischief Maker are awesome too. Everyone is awesome 😎
hello Matt and all the crew I live in Livingston Montana I am disabled with heart problems now but fell off a train in 1985 in and out of hospitals for a few years but now I can walk again but it still hurts after all these years plus I am on a set income so I was not able to go to The off road wrecker games for my birthday on March 9th. I turned 67 yrs old and now I feel like a hermit now stuck between these 4 walls stuck in here for ever now ( got to get out of here got to get out of here ) since I am home bound I enjoy all your videos and all those videos that the peole that went to the games on TH-cam
Mechanical engineer here. Matt, you need something like a simple horizontal push/pull bar between the boom and the connection point (bow shackle) to prevent the swinging. You can make it folding up to the boom. Once you lift the car high enough you could fold that bar down and tie it to the bow shackle. Keep it a bit loose to allow some movement. I have some ideas. If you contact me, I can send you a sketch.
Lots of broken steering in late model Broncos out there. Look at how thin those tie rod ends are! A good curb hit would snap them, no off roading required.
@@bromack2353 Agree ... Unfortunately it will probably take a death before Ford really addresses the issue. My fear would be to unknowingly damage the steering off road and then have it totally fail at 80 MPR on the Hwy ...... I suppose the same could occur on a solid axle, but those components are typically way more robust and have been vetted over the years.
So Matt, ‘never had any doubt that the Wrecker would perform To its every need. I really love Lizzys enthusiasm, Hollies positive Attitude on the trails, Toms humble professionalism and your Vision and Leadership. You all make a great Team... keep up the great Work ..
I appreciate the honesty in the casual damage with a rescue. THAT is really something that I rely on about the company. For these things, I would definitely feel more up to the adventure knowing that if I need help, it won't be a cheating scammer coming over. You guys are awesome
IMHO, you probably need to have a crossing stabilizer straps (extra heavy duty) between the rear of the wrecker and front of what you are towing (like what Trailmater does). This would be both for safety if the boom lines break and stabilization (left to right ) swinging motion of the towed vehicle. A longer boom might also give some more clearance for front to back swinging motion..
Y’all may consider looking at the off-road pintle hitches like what my old ‘52 GMC Deuce and a half had on it… It rotated freely with a heavy coil spring on it to absorb some shock front to rear. I think it was a standard issue kind of thing, if not I can still describe it in detail enough to build a replica. Take that and a heavy duty variant of the draw bars you see RV’s using to pull Jeeps on the highway. Possibly even some military surplus ones for the 5 Tons. But use MORR straps to secure it to the lower control arms or frame instead of to the bumper. This would help keep the towed vehicle from swinging forward into the wrecker while the boom carries the weight. The swiveling pintle would let things flex and twist as well so you don’t have to be worried about rolling the towed vehicle with it when you flex out. … it’s only there to control the distance of the towed vehicle from the Wrecker.
I've watched two truck operators here in Ontario canada and they half the time get frustrated maybe because of the traffic,but you guys all have smiles from ear to ear going with the flow and work together to get the job done 👍
Yeah, because they're not fighting traffic!!! I rather be stuck figuring out how to get somebody out of a pinch than be stuck in traffic. I say that because of personal experience; traffic drives me nuts!!!🤙🏻
@@thelonewrangler1008 Oh look, another Ford hater! That Bronco probably had stock tie rods. The fact is, just about any stock vehicle is not built for extreme off road. Even Jeeps are crap unless you do extensive modifications. So just keep on with your childish Ford jokes!
Name me one vehicle other than a Landcruiser ute (that you don't get) and maybe Jeep Ruvicons that are made for serious off-roading off the lot nowadays? Everything needs serious upgrades.
That bumper that broke looks like a good R&D moment for DV8, it looks very nice and solid though. Nice job on the recovery, its way easier with a wrecker than it would've been with the other rigs. Looking forward to the Wrecker Games!
and chamfering the holes on the recovery points so they don't cut soft shackles. They could do well making tie rod replacements, seems like I've seen several break on the new Broncos.
I appreciate the honesty displayed in showing the learning curve. I watched DV8s video as well. Appears like it was the front frame horns that bent, not their bumper. Much respect to Matt for his transparency and offer to pay.
So I see you’ll need to come up with something universal for the front/rear of rigs u recover. Something for your wrecker ropes to rub up against as you can see bumpers can’t handle it so you’ll most likely be grabbing down low and under like the A-ARMS/axle and your ropes will be rubbing on the bumpers. So rub protection for the customers bumpers but more so to protect the wrecker ropes. If you had set the parking brake just a touch it may have kept it from swinging into the bumper and the speeds you recover at I doubt would hurt the brakes as it would just be a slight drag. Just a thought but I’m sure Rory’s can explain what’s best as I’m sure he has it all figured out.
This was an awesome field trip! Once Matt has figured out the little bugs and comes up with safe towing procedures (aka soft shackles don't like sharp edges!) the TWLOW will be a beast! It's amazing how easy it dragged that Bronco up that steep first hill... 😲😎🤟
The wrecker is going to be a great addition to the rest of the fleet. Keeping the boom off the hoods will have to be monitored constantly. Going to have to keep the boom high and more cable out. Unfortunately that will let the vehicle swing a lot more, someone will have to be quick with the brakes to keep from hitting on the wrecker. It reminds me of how I used to tow and also get cars in the shop for repairs by running a chain thru a length of pipe and hooking up the chain underneath using the pipe to maintain space. I'm not saying that is your solution it's just one of my old time riggings. I grew up during the time period when cars had heavy chrome bumpers and you could use clamp-on tow bars and also clamp-on trailer hitches which Uhaul rented. Also I used to jump cars with dead batteries by putting the bumpers together and jumping the positive terminals together with the jack handle, that folded in the middle, from the screw jack. The first time it was a 'think on my feet' moment when I was caught with no cables and a lady with a crying baby needed to get home. Cars needed to be jumped a lot more back then come to think of it. Sorry about getting off the subject.
Thanks for the awesome vid. Amazing how the Wrecker turned out. Looking at this recovery I'm assuming you had the same thoughts. You might need to consider some sort of solid bar / A-frame design to keep the towed vehicle away from the wrecker when going down hill or over obstacles. Awesome work though guys, looking forward to many more recovery videos and the upgrades to the Wrecker
Definitely needs something like a damped bar or H type frame that can quickly attach to any front / rear axle...or maybe even a complete re-design and fabricate some form of hydraulic pivoting axle lift and clamp system then you don't have to rely on wire rope and dubious lifting points.
I was thinking the same thing a tow sling with extra long belts(I use old rock quarry belts) I've been doing off-road recovery for over 30 of my 52 years on this earth
Everybody else is shivering and Matt is just chillin (or not😂) in short sleeves. Hilarious. There are so many things to like about these people. One of my favorite channels.
Looks like you need a metal anchor shackle for the metal to metal contacts, and that will give you a rounded surface for the soft shackles to bear on. Now that you're done, I can see that you've done exactly what I was thinking! Great minds, etc. And Lizzie's outstanding again!
Matt's a genius - building an off-road wrecker to accommodate all the new IFS Bronco's hitting the trails. I predict a high volume of Broncos with broken front axles attached to the back of the wrecker.
Thinking about the bumper bending, I actually think this is a problem for the Heavy Wrecker's recovery method more than the bumper. Towing a truck suspended in the air like that off-road doesn't just put static loads like if you were jacking from the bumper. The fact that it was dangling off a tow truck while being towed over uneven and hilly terrain put much greater loads and stresses, and repeatedly as well. You're gonna exceed the elastic deformation capacity of that steel and move into plastic deformation. I have a steel tube bumper and no way I'd expect it to be able to survive being towed like that unscathed, especially because it's just attached to the same mount points as the regular bumper, it's not like welded to a ladder frame or anything like that.
That's the complete reason why Rory prefers to get it mobile with 4 wheels on the ground before he tows them out. Much respect to all of you. I think I remember Paul bouncing his old boom off a hood on hard incline.
Hey guys, just a thought, maybe “Safari Seats” for camera crew while off-road with belts for better shots. I think the foldable fishing seats work pretty well and maybe they could even make a yellow one for ya. As long as the riders boots have purchaseon non slip steps of expanded steel or pegs it should be safe enough and get you all there a little more safely. Just your local A&P mechanic shop help. Would love a shoutout if you use it. Erik
I didn’t know Lizzy was such a high flyer on the dance floor. It will take some time to work out the kinks with the Heavy Wrecker. I enjoy your videos. Thank you for sharing.
My suggestion would be why not a trail repair, since you have an onboard welder. The rod arm is already scrap and welding it might just be easier than risking damage during the tow. Good work Matt and Team!!!
Thanks for the channel. I'm impressed how the winches work on the "Big Guy" hauling the Bronco. It really held it tight over some rough terrain. Disappointed with Ford for cutting weight in the wrong places, I thought a Bronco was for off road....
Good job overall. I guess DV8 Offroad is going to have to beef up their bumper design a bit, and Matt needs to start carrying some real shackles along with the soft shackles.
Yes, Matt should carry some real shackles. But DV8 should deburr their parts and not sell stuff with sharp edges, especially since everyone is using soft shackles these days.
Matt, you may have to extend the boom by about 24 to 30 inches. Watching this Bronco being towed from our perspective and the multiple camera angles it is rather close to the rear tires due to them being offset to the rear on the frame. Raising the boom and then dropping the winch lines worked, but by having the boom further rearward would reduce the probability of the towed vehicle swinging in and hitting the tires while motion. I was picturing you having to tow something larger than the Bronco, say a fullsize pickup or whatnot. I am not an engineer, I just look at things a little different than some people. The wrecker is looking good.
No, he needs to add a yoke on a piece that holds onto the rear frame on either side that hinges up and down, so the boom cables aren't directly holding the vehicle. Yoke holds the vehicle, booms pull up on the yoke. Whole thing rests in the up vertical position when not in use.
The new Bronco's are HEAVY, much heavier than most people think. The load it puts on it's components is really high, and I'm not surprised it was tough to tow!
@@toddwilliams5905 well the one the pulled out does not have the Sasquatch package and appeared to be on 37”s. Change the geometry exceed to load rating.
Matt… just a heads-up… You are going to have to fabricate a longer boom. That way you are not riding the hitch too close to the Wrecker, and it will also assist with better angles for when you slump and climb around the terrain. A different method would be to have a rolling boom where the hitch can be hoisted onto the end of it and lifted with the boom itself. Just some ideas I guess.
@@jamesphillips2285that would be a great place to fab up a good sized storage place! Do like a 80/20 split with the big side for equipment storage and use the small side as a cooler to keep drinks and lunch cold! Could go super fancy and plumb it into the cooling system so it could be a warmer in the winter! Lol
The soft shackle has been born again. Sailors like them because they’re lightweight, waterproof, stronger than stainless steel equivalent shackles, don’t hurt if they hit you in the head or the hand, and don’t damage things like the deck, rigging, mast or sails, oh, and they float. Four-wheelers like them for the same reason. The new lines are soo strong, but they do chafe! Even wire chafes but at no where near the same rate.
Almost seems like the towed vehicle should have the football so the driver of the wrecker can think about driving. Also wondering about all the hardware on the back of the wrecker, might need to find a better spot to stow the pintles, one less thing to crash into + more space. MORR will figure it out!
Any thoughts of a piece of tubing, round or square that would hang between the wrecker and towed vehicle to keep it from swinging into wrecker? A piece that has a welded chain on both ends, just my opinion and great work and videos!
Was thinking the same was watching and saying it's gonna hit that wrecker they definitely need a brace of sorts a lot of old wreckers had like a triangle with a flex bar that could go under and hook to the frame then use the winch to raise it
Without a way to keep the vehicles apart it’s a matter of time until someone’s hood gets smashed or radiator and grill punctured. Matt should know better especially in rugged terrain. Fab rat smashed a Jeep hood on Matt’s video one time. Geeeeez
Awesome recovery guys....the wrecker is proving itself as a force to be recond with !!!... so cool !!.... I can't believe "we" built that 😅(I helped watch it all) 😂.....thanks to the whole crew for making this video to share with us!
You need to have that girl on there more often she really knows her stuff and could be a valuable asset in the future recovery processes. Great video and beautiful truck. Thanks for the videos. 👍 all the way…
So take this with a grain of salt, i am not a tow operator, purely my observations. When you compare the wrecker to a regular holmes style, typically the boom is a lot longer, and its pivot point is a lot further towards the cab. This means when you raise/lover it, the radius is much longer, meaning it does not get so much closer to the truck as it goes up. Being that you're main work is towing through the dunes, I would seriously look at a towbar/sling/underlift. You know from experience most cars dont have recovery points, let alone lift points. And as demonstrated in this video, even bumpers are not lift points. A setup to pick up the frame to tow would also negate the need for someone to be in the towed vehicle manning the brakes. It would not be hard to design a towbar that can swivel and pivot, to allow articulation on the trail. Just look at the design Holmes has used for around a century. As Rory always says, winches are for pulling, not towing.
It’s great seeing your wrecker in action and watching the learning curve. Matt always stays calm and positive. Looks like a weak link on the Bronco was discovered.
Love you guys. Bought my brand new to me XJ! Wish I could be apart of a "family" like you guys. Would LOVE to work with my hands and build things. I work in the tech industry- and it's so cold.
5:05 he has quite a bit of clearance. He really needed a front bumper that could handle the tow & not bend into the grill 12:40 though I imagine his bumper-company will make the changes after this filmed-failure of their bumper design.
Love to watch your video’s and know you know your stuff and have been towing forever. But there is a reason wreckers have sling straps even if it is just enough to keep the vehicle your towing far enough away to avoid damaging it’s front end on the crazy angles the largest off-road wrecker uses. While I am on a roll using the bumper ?? I know - but you showed us the bronco’s recover points on the frame. Those both used together with your skills would avoid the awkward conversation at the end. I am not a hater at all; you are all amazing and have the best recovery videos of all.
I have a DV8 rear bumper on my Ram 3500, solid bumper at a reasonable price, comparable to Rough Country. This was some good exposure for them and a solid recovery for the MORR team
You should put a 3rd brake light on the tip of the boom so your towed vehicle knows when to hit their brakes harder.
Best suggestion I've seen in a while.
Good idea:)
Easier. Take an old tire and put it on de boom. So the cable goes through it. The thing being towed will be cushened by it.
I know Matt has talked about making a tow bar for the wrecker which would fix that issue as well.
Rory doesn’t run one, but Matt doesn’t have to pickup and set down the towed vehicle as much because the wrecker is more capable and Sand hollow has more ways out.
They make brake attachments for towed vehicles but they're usually model specific or just a big remote foot to press the brake pedal for you which might work in this case but would easily be bumped out of place I imagine.
We are so thankful for Matt's Offroad Recovery! They came to the rescue when our Bronco was broken on the trail. Without them, who knows how long we would have been waiting out there! Thanks again, Matt and the Team!
Yoo just ordered a bumper from you guys for my Tacoma, funny I see you guys in this video right after ! I’m probably gonna do a little video on it in the next week or two
That's a great looking bumper. This recovery will definitely add in R&D of the way it mounts to the frame horns.
Free R&D, too! Now you know you should upgrade your bumper mounts and chamfer your recovery point holes!
After seeing what the tow did to that bumper it makes me want to get rid of my DV8 bumpers on my Jeep. What caused that?
@@QueueInAK did nothing to the bumper bent the frame horns on the bronco
Matt’s such a upstanding guy. Most tow companies would say “damage is the nature of the beast in situations like this” not Matt. He takes care of it when it happens and makes it clear that he will without question. What a guy.
Considering the bumper failed that the customer themselves manufactured, I’d tell em to pound sand.
An endorsement on a channel with 1M+ subs is worth something also.
@CakeArmy_Max Gaming They're company rep or even the owners from DV8 from the sounds of it. It's not a garage job bumper is what I'm saying. DV8 isn't huge, but they're not small either.
Yup, could have easily done that and edited it all out.
Would also love to see Matt's closet of 5 exactly the same work outfits.
@@cakearmy_maxgaming6346 it failed because it hit the boom though
It’s good to see the wrecker working, and the guys from DV8 get real world knowledge on how the bumper handles being towed. Both learned something.
Yes DV8 and all manufacturers need to round or smooth the toe points
@@tommyolson2258 I'm pretty sure those metal eyelets were supposed to be in there from the start, they weren't in there and that's why it rubbed through the soft shackle
@@tommyolson2258 D-ring shackle, not an eyelet.
The problem was the frame, not the bumper- the frame bent. Or, more accurately, the problem was THORR's method of recovering vehicles by dangling them half in the air while towing them over off-road obstacles...they complain about lack of attachment points, well how many vehicles are going to have attachment points that are going to be able to support that sort of strain?
@AM D idk if stock Wranglers can even be towed like that with the stock backward and top mounted recovery hooks. I'd feel like they'd immediately slip off the THORR. If one of the most common offroad machines can't be pulled like this. Matt and the crew need to figure a way to pull them without a janky and sketchy rigging of softshackles and the winches.
As a tow op, might I suggest modifying the wrecker to use the sling method with a custom tow bar so you don’t need someone to drag breaks.
I agree. Just as Eric does with his truck. Sometimes a good old sling does the job best. Not always. Rory doesn't like a sling setup. But better to be equipped for either way and have the option.
Came here to say this. You need some kind of drawbar to keep the towed vehicle from running into you during braking and downhills.
The amount of respect for Rory just went through the roof. He has operated alone for years with his. Can’t wait to see Matt get to that level of proficiency. He’ll be unstoppable.
True story.....
Rory has a crew that are with him just like Matt has.
Yeah Rory is the real deal here in this little community. It’s why you are always seeing them defer to what he’s using for certain situations.
rory the top man
Rory is the “GOLD STANDARD “ when it comes to his trade in his part of the world!
DV8 learned a lot about their bumper thanks to the off-road wrecker.
Totally agree I just looked up how those DV8 "winch" bumpers attach. they will inevitably flex into the body of your vehicle. Rear bumpers are the same way tons of complaints of body chafing.
Serious R & D in the real world right there! Bumper 1 pts, Bronco minus 3 pts...?
Yeah I avoided the winch bumper for their other one for that reason
@@codywise1451 -- Someone thought that a winch bumper will probably only ever have a straight pull level to the vehicle... Probably didn't consider the fact that a vehicle should be able to be lifted by a jack from its bumper...
Which I mean is fair to them, no one really expects a bumper to deal with a vertical load that’s like over 50% of the weight with large bumped and sudden momentum changes.
Time to add a tow bar! I know Rory doesn’t like them, and they don’t work well in crazy twisted up situations, but there is definitely a reason for them and they are far better in 90% of what you’ll be doing and will prevent damage to the towed vehicle
Isn't it kinda too solid for sharp angles though? When you use the tow bar on the back of your truck it's mostly on relatively flat ground, right? What about obstacles though..
@@JohnFL BSF was using a tow bar during the wrecker games. It did break eventually but they do work to a certain degree, and maybe with TomTom’s engineering they could make one that can handle the angle.
Also important to note they quickly get off the difficult trails on to easier stuff, so maybe they wait to hook it up.
What about on that hooks to the center pintle hitch so it has all sorts of articulation.
The way it’s rigged makes a big difference in how much angle it can handle. Obviously it can’t do what ropes can do, but here’s the cool thing about using one…. You can unhook it and just use the rope setup to get through something crazy when needed.
The simple fact is that for the vast majority of situations the tow bar is better and will save causing damage.
@@CaseyLaDelle So why wouldn't Rory use one then?
My first car was a 1967 Bronco that my high school FFA teacher in Prairie City, Oregon helped me restore, in 1979. Thank You Mr. Bepp! That Bronco took me into {and home from} every nook of the Eastern Oregon Wilderness, and could literally climb a tree. Later Broncos that my brothers bought reflected F.O.R.D. Fix Or Repair Daily (Smile). Like you never see Horse Drawn carriages anymore...When did Horses lose their ability to draw pictures of wagons and carriages?
We also tried tried to buy a Corvair Lakewood that was in a Barn in Bates Oregon! I fell in love with this channel when they built the MorrVair, teaching Welding and fabrication like Mr. Bepp taught us to weld and build. Respect!
Also: Found on Road Dead.
Too bad they don’t make bulletproof broncos like they used to! Shame on ford for making junk nowadays!
I love that Matt and his crew take responsibility for their actions. What a stand up group of people on this channel!
I actually don't think damage like that should be Matt's problem you seriously can't expect to go off-roading crash or have a mechanical failure in the middle of a trail and expect to be rescued with no risk of damage it would be different if Matt backing into a vehicle or tried to pickup a car via something inappropriate and did damage.
In a regular off road recovery they shouldn't be held responsible. Given the circumstances its cool of them to cover the damage.
How cool that MORR and the customer both got real world feedback about how to improve your designs.
Ya never learn anything without stuff being pushed till it fails!
Important lesson there was the soft shackle doesn't like 90 degree angle metal. This is a perfect example of getting experience as you go. Great video and the shack down cruises are definitely important.
Metal d-ring shackles would have been better for that type of bumper or winch mount grill guards! That's why tow trucks carry multiple types of recovery gear!
Really the job for a metal d-ring shackle.
Anything that has a sharp corner or bend needs a hard shackle
I would have expected the customer to have organized putting the shackles on the bumper, given that they’re the vendor. But hey, now everybody knows.
@@jrrarglblarg9241 That's what you call testing and product refinement, even a 1/8th inch fillet on that would have made a big difference. I'm an industrial designer and you're engrained to put fillets on everything and never leave a sharp edge, even the smallest fillet to maintain a strong edge line if that's what you want.
Would some Kevlar sleeves over the shackles make a difference?
Made a trip out to Hurricane to see the sites. I am from Georgia and flew out to see all these places with my own eyes and had a great time. I stopped by Winder Towing to see the place and get a T shirt. Had a conversation with the lovely woman behind the counter and it really made the trip memorable for me. The team were unfortunately out on a job, but it was still a blast. Thanks to you Matt and your team for being the awesome, super nice people they are portrayed as in the show. The shirt fits great and will become the go to T for all house and mechanical work. Thanks again, ya'll are great. Keep it up and don't change.
I'm not in anyway experienced in towing (I've been towed plenty of that matters)
Perhaps you guys could use one of those rubber tow bars to reduce the risk of collision with the boom and wrecker - also to stabilize the vehicle while towing.
And as added protection on top of that, maybe take some yellow foam pool tubes (or maybe something a bit denser) and attach them to the under side of the boom, the end of the boom and the rear bumper of the wrecker.
Could also get some heavy mats made (like the kind flatbed trucker drivers use to protect some cargo from strap or chain damage) to throw over the hood and grill of the vehicle being towed, further reducing the risk of damage in boom bump or tail slap. You could have some loops sown all over them so that you could throw it on a hood and use bungees to hold it on.
And thats one of the reasons why Rory doesn't use soft shackles and only D rings on the boom. I'm guessing that by now after the Wrecker games you guys have figured that out already plus more. Always love the content guys it's good to get my weekly dose from all the great off road channels on TH-cam. I'm a Trail Mater/Rory Irish fan through and through and this friend group is absolute goals!!
I think that the so-called games are going to be very educational to all of the participants and they will gain a lot of useful experience to carry forward, except for Rory, he's the king!
@@kworld429 I 💯 agree!
Rory is a leader with many years of experience in this type of recovery! I love watching all of them. Each has different content but if you have seen their wrecker builds they have adopted what Rory has proven to work.
Yes the Wrecker is impressive! Good learning experience yada yada yada . But I have only one question. Is there anything Lizzy can't do? I mean seriously! What an awesome role model. No such thing as can't. Her interests and accomplishments are endless. Way to go Lizzy life to its fullest!
This recovery is simply the first of many steps to dial in the wrecker. Things could have been done differently for sure, but it’s a learning process that will take many recoveries to perfect.
Rory has the most experience and has learned a lot, but not without his share of ‘awe crap’ moments. 🙂
Hey Lizzy! Remember back being towed in the abandoned car with Randy, the doors swinging open, your face full of dirt, you guys were laughing so hard. I was cracking up 😂
That video was my first MORR watch and I've been hooked since.
I dont know anything bout cars or smth like that but i LOVE watching these recoverys so much its such a therapie to watch this
The way that wrecker just gently cruises up inclines is super impressive. Great design and build job.
You're kidding right? The thing struggles with every climb and usually breaks parts trying.
@@davidmore190 it didn't struggled with any of inclines in this video and there was many of them. and about breaking parts, it is not finished. it is like v1.1 or smth, it will fail and break in future too, but it is the way of improvement, you can't make something perfect on your first try when you are the first, who is doing it, remember, this guys had to design and develop every part in their or someone's garage
@@davidmore190 Obviously you have never built anything lol. That is totally obvious. Have you never heard of prototyping. Did you see how many failures the Apolo system had. If you had actually built anything you would know that nothing is 100% off the drawing board. I am a professional mechanical engineer you are clearly not qualified to comment on the machine. You build one lol you would not know where to start.
@@davidmore190 Did you not also happen to notice that Matt is recovering Jeeps and other OEM vehicles that have broken? You are a dope.
Smart move DV8. Break down on purpose. Get recovery and the free shout out!!! 😊
Great video
It always puts a smile on my face to see Peanut running around. She is def living her best life !
I like Matt his crew and content, but Holly needs to go or stay on her own channel
@@Bill-xc8le whats with the negativity? She's fine. These guys live in a community and do things together, nothing wrong with that.
@@geoffrey6000 you’ve got your opinion, and I’ve got mine, fair enough Geoffrey?
@@Bill-xc8le yes, sure. But if it's rude then keep it to yourself.
@@geoffrey6000 Same with the guy calling Matt a clown. Those negative sad sacks should just take their input elsewhere.
Have to have lots of respect for how easy Rory makes it look towing rigs off serious trails. I've seen him recover a propane truck that nearly rolled down a cliff with TrailMator. I bet some amazing stuff doesn't make it to YT.
Matt, you need to build a pair of adjustable "stand-off bars" for the wrecker. Essentially telescoping pipes that you can adjust the length on. Build a mount for them on the center of the rear bumper of the wrecker and design ends for them that can be attached to the central mount on your wrecker and the outermost part of the front axle(s) of whatever you are towing forming a triangle with the wrecker at the pinnacle. They should be able to pivot up and down freely with a full range of vertical motion but with only a little horizontal movement from side to side once attached at each end. The central pivot at your bumper would make backing the towed vehicle up like a trailer rather than having it free to swing back and forth, etc.. This should prevent the towed vehicle from running under your boom and incurring damage to the hood, bumper, or grill. You would only use them once you have the stuck vehicle free and are towing it back on the trail. Just my .02 cents.
You can really see the difference in experience between Rory and Matt. Rory has obviously been doing this for years, but Matt is knowledgeable enough to learn quickly 🤘
I'd think Matt would have plenty of experience. He does own a tow company (that we only see glimpses of). But rugged off-road towing is new to him.
It's just different areas of expertise and experience.
DV8 Off Road looks pretty good! Nice recovery Matt and crew!
Looks more like a shitty BRAND NEW FORD POS that ALREADY broke
I just watched a review of DV8 bumpers and vehicle body protection and rust was a problem on every piece. I'll let them fix their product before I consider buying it
No. DV8 stuff is Chinese built crap. Avoid it.
Even when new toys break or things don’t go as planned Matt and crew all remain so calm. No one gets frustrated!
@@89. I’m sure there’s more to there stories. Definitely miss Trevor and Skeeter, but I’m sure they are doing something they love. Can’t see Matt just getting rid of people for no reason
Their’
@@89. Trevor and Skeeter left, no one got rid of them. They got the creator bug.
@@LazerR0cketB0mb Hey, are they online somewhere?
I mean we see what they show us. No doubt people's tempers get the better of them, these are humans. Pretty rare that TH-camr's put up any type of "negative footage". A few do, but most do not.
When Matt had just the Bannana, he always impressed me with what he could get done with the little he had with him. Things have changed and he is playing in new water. I wonder if Rory gives lessons.
Rory giving lessons.... that would be the recent Wrecker games...
This is a good example. Rory would've used his secret X . Then the truck would be more secure.
And he really needs to paint the inside.
Rory would have cut off the busted CV and welded the tie rod back together.
Rory gives lessons every time he goes on a rescue! 😅
That's why I became a fan. Now the recoveries are not as impressive, but the characters are entertaining.
This is actually a really good test for both of you guys. You tested the wrecker, DV8 got real world info to make their product better for customers.
Awesome recovery! I'm impressed about how calm Matt always appear. The hole crew are calm and speaking with each other in a polite and friendly way. No hard words or abusing talks...well done! Deep respect!🤘🤘
Yes. It's the antithesis of Orange County Choppers! :)
It was cool to see the wrecker in action - and it was certainly helpful prep for the wrecker games 😀🤘🏻
Every recovery needs to have at least one adult present. --- Good thing you showed up, Hollie. ---
@@lanceleavitt7472 Hold on now!!!, Lizzy was there!!!!!
@@TheMakersMarkTSF The welder / dancer / cowgirl / recovery driver...busy plate. Her parents must be PROUD! What an awesome young person.
didn't the wrecker games happen already? does matt and his crew plan on uploading the video from that even?
He said March 19
I remember Matt explaining that he only needs 2 seats in the wrecker. How many videos has there been, already, with crew riding on the back. He did the same with the MORRvair when he said there was plenty of room in the back.
Yeah, needs a couple of Subaru Brat seats in the back.
MischiefMaker only has two seats, but if they have the Banana or Morrvair they’ll have extra seats.
I think it’s a fair assumption that the wrecker will normally have an extra vehicle along.
Just get a tube and weld the tie rod. Easy Peasy! You even have the welder right there!!!
Throughout Matt’s videos one thing that always shines through is, he is a gifted teacher, even though he could more quickly do something himself he usually instructs someone else to do it and guides them through doing it.
I see a bigger/longer boom in the wrecker’s future. It was interesting watching Matt learn how this rigs gets the job done ! I’ve got a set of DV8 tube fenders on my TJ .great stuff at a very reasonable price.
Second that… Be cooler if it was telescoping 🤔
Yes I think either longer or telescoping would be good.
Also that DV8 bumper might need some more mounting points or something so it doesn't fold but the unit itself seems very solid.
Perhaps he will include a pair of Dring shackles as well.
Longer boom may lead to dented hoods. Maybe a cable lifted wheel or frame recovery cradle
@@jeffbeard395 longer boom let’s you have more cable out while still having the rig you’re towing’s front wheels off the ground..which means the hood is farther away from boom and the rear end of the truck .
Maybe the new generation Broncos are designed for grocery shopping and picking the kids from school?
That was pretty cool to see the wrecker working. You guys did a great job on that.
I wonder how many people appreciate taking something from a design to proof of concept and finished product with such little problems.
Lizzy is a renaissance woman , country swing that’s awesome.
Holly and Mischief Maker are awesome too.
Everyone is awesome 😎
hello Matt and all the crew I live in Livingston Montana I am disabled with heart problems now but fell off a train in 1985 in and out of hospitals for a few years but now I can walk again but it still hurts after all these years plus I am on a set income so I was not able to go to The off road wrecker games for my birthday on March 9th. I turned 67 yrs old and now I feel like a hermit now stuck between these 4 walls stuck in here for ever now ( got to get out of here got to get out of here ) since I am home bound I enjoy all your videos and all those videos that the peole that went to the games on TH-cam
Mechanical engineer here.
Matt, you need something like a simple horizontal push/pull bar between the boom and the connection point (bow shackle) to prevent the swinging.
You can make it folding up to the boom. Once you lift the car high enough you could fold that bar down and tie it to the bow shackle. Keep it a bit loose to allow some movement.
I have some ideas. If you contact me, I can send you a sketch.
Lots of broken steering in late model Broncos out there. Look at how thin those tie rod ends are! A good curb hit would snap them, no off roading required.
So true, imagine a failure at highway speed?? No bueno
Needs a SD60 swap for any serious wheeling.
@@pvkj454 yeah, I bet they'll be upgrading those!
That probably caused his axle to snap too.
@@bromack2353 Agree ... Unfortunately it will probably take a death before Ford really addresses the issue. My fear would be to unknowingly damage the steering off road and then have it totally fail at 80 MPR on the Hwy ...... I suppose the same could occur on a solid axle, but those components are typically way more robust and have been vetted over the years.
@@obrianmcc New Ford junk.
Great recovery, also awesome to see the DV8 guys out doing product testing!
I think that boom is too short for these recoveries, but Wrecker isn't even struggling at all
Only by about a foot but i suspect you are correct.
They need some kind of solid A frame to stop the vehicle being towed from swinging forward into the boom or the back of the heavy wrecker.
@@samgab you're thinking about a sling, and you are correct. Need to lock the front end of what they are towing to the back of the wrecker.
I agree. but It also depends on the amount of swing the towed rig is limeted to.
@@kstricl Rory says they always get ripped apart on serious trails. Some ones A Frame broke at the games ,I think.
It’s going to be fun watching Matt learn what Rory does so automatically. Makes me appreciate all that you do.
Great job with the wrecker! Eddie
So Matt, ‘never had any doubt that the Wrecker would perform
To its every need. I really love Lizzys enthusiasm, Hollies positive
Attitude on the trails, Toms humble professionalism and your
Vision and Leadership. You all make a great Team... keep up the great
Work ..
I appreciate the honesty in the casual damage with a rescue. THAT is really something that I rely on about the company. For these things, I would definitely feel more up to the adventure knowing that if I need help, it won't be a cheating scammer coming over. You guys are awesome
Lizzy is just a great person!
Great attitude!
I like her way better than Holly, who’s out only looking for subscribers
IMHO, you probably need to have a crossing stabilizer straps (extra heavy duty) between the rear of the wrecker and front of what you are towing (like what Trailmater does). This would be both for safety if the boom lines break and stabilization (left to right ) swinging motion of the towed vehicle. A longer boom might also give some more clearance for front to back swinging motion..
The DV8 guys are awesome. It's cool you rescued them. I sold a lot of the DV8 stuff when I did aftermarket parts.
Y’all may consider looking at the off-road pintle hitches like what my old ‘52 GMC Deuce and a half had on it… It rotated freely with a heavy coil spring on it to absorb some shock front to rear. I think it was a standard issue kind of thing, if not I can still describe it in detail enough to build a replica.
Take that and a heavy duty variant of the draw bars you see RV’s using to pull Jeeps on the highway. Possibly even some military surplus ones for the 5 Tons. But use MORR straps to secure it to the lower control arms or frame instead of to the bumper. This would help keep the towed vehicle from swinging forward into the wrecker while the boom carries the weight. The swiveling pintle would let things flex and twist as well so you don’t have to be worried about rolling the towed vehicle with it when you flex out. … it’s only there to control the distance of the towed vehicle from the Wrecker.
I've watched two truck operators here in Ontario canada and they half the time get frustrated maybe because of the traffic,but you guys all have smiles from ear to ear going with the flow and work together to get the job done 👍
Yeah, because they're not fighting traffic!!! I rather be stuck figuring out how to get somebody out of a pinch than be stuck in traffic. I say that because of personal experience; traffic drives me nuts!!!🤙🏻
In from Onterible, which operators are you speaking of?
Ya I here you on that one I hate the city
Those new Broncos don't seem to be made for off roading at all. Probably best for a grocery getter and an occasional weekend camping in a KOA. 😂
It's a Ford, they're barely made for any roads😂
@@thelonewrangler1008 Oh look, another Ford hater! That Bronco probably had stock tie rods. The fact is, just about any stock vehicle is not built for extreme off road. Even Jeeps are crap unless you do extensive modifications. So just keep on with your childish Ford jokes!
Name me one vehicle other than a Landcruiser ute (that you don't get) and maybe Jeep Ruvicons that are made for serious off-roading off the lot nowadays? Everything needs serious upgrades.
That bumper that broke looks like a good R&D moment for DV8, it looks very nice and solid though. Nice job on the recovery, its way easier with a wrecker than it would've been with the other rigs. Looking forward to the Wrecker Games!
and chamfering the holes on the recovery points so they don't cut soft shackles. They could do well making tie rod replacements, seems like I've seen several break on the new Broncos.
@@TD_YT066 that could be done, but it makes them weaker for normal metal shackles because the force is on a smaller surface.
D-Rings should be standard issue for every recovery kit.
I appreciate the honesty displayed in showing the learning curve. I watched DV8s video as well. Appears like it was the front frame horns that bent, not their bumper. Much respect to Matt for his transparency and offer to pay.
So I see you’ll need to come up with something universal for the front/rear of rigs u recover. Something for your wrecker ropes to rub up against as you can see bumpers can’t handle it so you’ll most likely be grabbing down low and under like the A-ARMS/axle and your ropes will be rubbing on the bumpers. So rub protection for the customers bumpers but more so to protect the wrecker ropes. If you had set the parking brake just a touch it may have kept it from swinging into the bumper and the speeds you recover at I doubt would hurt the brakes as it would just be a slight drag. Just a thought but I’m sure Rory’s can explain what’s best as I’m sure he has it all figured out.
That beast is a gentle giant.
With that much power comes the finesse to do things smoother and safer!
Phil from OZ
This is a totally new type of rescue, you are learning and adjusting!!! Great Job!!
Fix Or Repair Daily FORD
This was an awesome field trip! Once Matt has figured out the little bugs and comes up with safe towing procedures (aka soft shackles don't like sharp edges!) the TWLOW will be a beast! It's amazing how easy it dragged that Bronco up that steep first hill... 😲😎🤟
The wrecker is going to be a great addition to the rest of the fleet. Keeping the boom off the hoods will have to be monitored constantly. Going to have to keep the boom high and more cable out. Unfortunately that will let the vehicle swing a lot more, someone will have to be quick with the brakes to keep from hitting on the wrecker. It reminds me of how I used to tow and also get cars in the shop for repairs by running a chain thru a length of pipe and hooking up the chain underneath using the pipe to maintain space. I'm not saying that is your solution it's just one of my old time riggings. I grew up during the time period when cars had heavy chrome bumpers and you could use clamp-on tow bars and also clamp-on trailer hitches which Uhaul rented. Also I used to jump cars with dead batteries by putting the bumpers together and jumping the positive terminals together with the jack handle, that folded in the middle, from the screw jack. The first time it was a 'think on my feet' moment when I was caught with no cables and a lady with a crying baby needed to get home. Cars needed to be jumped a lot more back then come to think of it. Sorry about getting off the subject.
I see DV8 is still pumping out weak product. Great product testimonial
Thanks for the awesome vid. Amazing how the Wrecker turned out. Looking at this recovery I'm assuming you had the same thoughts. You might need to consider some sort of solid bar / A-frame design to keep the towed vehicle away from the wrecker when going down hill or over obstacles. Awesome work though guys, looking forward to many more recovery videos and the upgrades to the Wrecker
Definitely needs something like a damped bar or H type frame that can quickly attach to any front / rear axle...or maybe even a complete re-design and fabricate some form of hydraulic pivoting axle lift and clamp system then you don't have to rely on wire rope and dubious lifting points.
I was thinking the same thing a tow sling with extra long belts(I use old rock quarry belts) I've been doing off-road recovery for over 30 of my 52 years on this earth
Everybody else is shivering and Matt is just chillin (or not😂) in short sleeves. Hilarious. There are so many things to like about these people. One of my favorite channels.
Looks like you need a metal anchor shackle for the metal to metal contacts, and that will give you a rounded surface for the soft shackles to bear on. Now that you're done, I can see that you've done exactly what I was thinking! Great minds, etc. And Lizzie's outstanding again!
They need a few pairs of different sizes in the toolbox...those used here were the customer's shackles.
Matt's a genius - building an off-road wrecker to accommodate all the new IFS Bronco's hitting the trails. I predict a high volume of Broncos with broken front axles attached to the back of the wrecker.
Thinking about the bumper bending, I actually think this is a problem for the Heavy Wrecker's recovery method more than the bumper. Towing a truck suspended in the air like that off-road doesn't just put static loads like if you were jacking from the bumper. The fact that it was dangling off a tow truck while being towed over uneven and hilly terrain put much greater loads and stresses, and repeatedly as well. You're gonna exceed the elastic deformation capacity of that steel and move into plastic deformation.
I have a steel tube bumper and no way I'd expect it to be able to survive being towed like that unscathed, especially because it's just attached to the same mount points as the regular bumper, it's not like welded to a ladder frame or anything like that.
That's the complete reason why Rory prefers to get it mobile with 4 wheels on the ground before he tows them out. Much respect to all of you. I think I remember Paul bouncing his old boom off a hood on hard incline.
I made the same comment re paul damaging a hood.
I was thinking Rory would have welded that tie rod together and got him mobile. Matt isn't as good of a stick welder.
Os caras da DV8 aprenderam hoje sobre a qualidade dos seus parachoques! bom trabalho Matt!
Hey guys, just a thought, maybe “Safari Seats” for camera crew while off-road with belts for better shots. I think the foldable fishing seats work pretty well and maybe they could even make a yellow one for ya. As long as the riders boots have purchaseon non slip steps of expanded steel or pegs it should be safe enough and get you all there a little more safely. Just your local A&P mechanic shop help. Would love a shoutout if you use it. Erik
I saw this coming when Matt said he intentionally designed the truck to be a two seat cab with nothing behind it for crew...
I wonder if they'd be better off using the Banana or Morvair for the crew & addtional support when running the off road wrecker.
Gas is expensive, power is there, my thought is just add a seat or two or bench
Gas is expensive, power is there, my thought is just add a seat or two or bench
@@jdougn2255 Blue can only haul one vehicle at a time...
I think the boom needs to be a foot or two longer. 🤔 great video.
I just want to thank all you people for not having the need to use foul language on your show. It is so refreshing.❤
The wrecker is a Beast and is becoming a legend in the recovery world.
Matt actually sounds nervous. You’ve really cut this fine. Fascinating. Thanks for the great videos.
I didn’t know Lizzy was such a high flyer on the dance floor. It will take some time to work out the kinks with the Heavy Wrecker. I enjoy your videos. Thank you for sharing.
You need a cradle for the wrecker. So no problem with the yanking. And you can save the front grill
Awesome machine !
My suggestion would be why not a trail repair, since you have an onboard welder. The rod arm is already scrap and welding it might just be easier than risking damage during the tow. Good work Matt and Team!!!
Matt you got to come up with a seat for the back of the wrecker!🤕
the wrecker does have a crew cab-it's a whole extra vehicle
Couple of jump seats on the back would be cool...
Thanks for the channel. I'm impressed how the winches work on the "Big Guy" hauling the Bronco. It really held it tight over some rough terrain. Disappointed with Ford for cutting weight in the wrong places, I thought a Bronco was for off road....
Yeah those tie rods are the size of Honda Civic tie rods. Wimpy.
Good job overall. I guess DV8 Offroad is going to have to beef up their bumper design a bit, and Matt needs to start carrying some real shackles along with the soft shackles.
Yes, Matt should carry some real shackles. But DV8 should deburr their parts and not sell stuff with sharp edges, especially since everyone is using soft shackles these days.
Matt. That rig is a beast. Once you get the feel for her...few. Man, that wrecker is a beast.
Matt, you may have to extend the boom by about 24 to 30 inches. Watching this Bronco being towed from our perspective and the multiple camera angles it is rather close to the rear tires due to them being offset to the rear on the frame. Raising the boom and then dropping the winch lines worked, but by having the boom further rearward would reduce the probability of the towed vehicle swinging in and hitting the tires while motion. I was picturing you having to tow something larger than the Bronco, say a fullsize pickup or whatnot. I am not an engineer, I just look at things a little different than some people. The wrecker is looking good.
No, he needs to add a yoke on a piece that holds onto the rear frame on either side that hinges up and down, so the boom cables aren't directly holding the vehicle. Yoke holds the vehicle, booms pull up on the yoke. Whole thing rests in the up vertical position when not in use.
The new Bronco's are HEAVY, much heavier than most people think. The load it puts on it's components is really high, and I'm not surprised it was tough to tow!
And their steering is way underbuilt.
Yep, 5000 lbs and that's WITHOUT all the added accessories.
@@toddwilliams5905 well the one the pulled out does not have the Sasquatch package and appeared to be on 37”s. Change the geometry exceed to load rating.
can't help but smile when I see Holly come along :)
Matt… just a heads-up… You are going to have to fabricate a longer boom. That way you are not riding the hitch too close to the Wrecker, and it will also assist with better angles for when you slump and climb around the terrain. A different method would be to have a rolling boom where the hitch can be hoisted onto the end of it and lifted with the boom itself.
Just some ideas I guess.
A longer boom would require de-rating.
Some people have suggested a tow bar for that problem.
@@jamesphillips2285 Eh, they make stronger steel for any use case. There isnt a problem money cant solve.
@@hkerekes They would need to add ballast weight to the front of the wrecker as well.
@@jamesphillips2285that would be a great place to fab up a good sized storage place! Do like a 80/20 split with the big side for equipment storage and use the small side as a cooler to keep drinks and lunch cold! Could go super fancy and plumb it into the cooling system so it could be a warmer in the winter! Lol
@@jamesphillips2285 that is the easiest problem to solve if needed. If I had to guess, it has enough weight upfront as is.
The soft shackle has been born again. Sailors like them because they’re lightweight, waterproof, stronger than stainless steel equivalent shackles, don’t hurt if they hit you in the head or the hand, and don’t damage things like the deck, rigging, mast or sails, oh, and they float. Four-wheelers like them for the same reason. The new lines are soo strong, but they do chafe! Even wire chafes but at no where near the same rate.
Almost seems like the towed vehicle should have the football so the driver of the wrecker can think about driving. Also wondering about all the hardware on the back of the wrecker, might need to find a better spot to stow the pintles, one less thing to crash into + more space. MORR will figure it out!
Nice idea. Maybe they will try it. Sounds good in theory.
I saw the smile on Matt’s face after climbing that hill, wow, what a monster he created, so impressive, without any effort
Looks like you need one of those bars like I’ve seen Paul use that keeps the front of the towed vehicle out of your bumper when you decelerate
Any thoughts of a piece of tubing, round or square that would hang between the wrecker and towed vehicle to keep it from swinging into wrecker? A piece that has a welded chain on both ends, just my opinion and great work and videos!
I was going to comment the same thing, my grandpa's old trick
I agree... something that can compress like suspension shocks but not bottom out and cause damage.
you mean like an old school cradle wrecker
Was thinking the same was watching and saying it's gonna hit that wrecker they definitely need a brace of sorts a lot of old wreckers had like a triangle with a flex bar that could go under and hook to the frame then use the winch to raise it
Without a way to keep the vehicles apart it’s a matter of time until someone’s hood gets smashed or radiator and grill punctured. Matt should know better especially in rugged terrain. Fab rat smashed a Jeep hood on Matt’s video one time. Geeeeez
Absolutely 💯 love to watch ..best off road tow company
Good to see the wrecker up n running. Ford really dropped the ball on those broncos.
Good MORRning everyone!
@MAHDIII
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Funny how timelines work 😁
@MAHDIII same
So that front bumper cant hold up to being towed
Happy Saint Patrick's day everyone 😊
@MAHDIII Doesn't matter what time it is, MORRning is whenever MORR uploads ;-)
I’m sure Matt will talk with Rory on Trailmater about how to tow vehicles as they tie them on differently. They have it dialed in.
Awesome recovery guys....the wrecker is proving itself as a force to be recond with !!!... so cool !!.... I can't believe "we" built that 😅(I helped watch it all) 😂.....thanks to the whole crew for making this video to share with us!
You need to have that girl on there more often she really knows her stuff and could be a valuable asset in the future recovery processes. Great video and beautiful truck. Thanks for the videos. 👍 all the way…
Which girl? There were 2 of them.
So take this with a grain of salt, i am not a tow operator, purely my observations. When you compare the wrecker to a regular holmes style, typically the boom is a lot longer, and its pivot point is a lot further towards the cab. This means when you raise/lover it, the radius is much longer, meaning it does not get so much closer to the truck as it goes up. Being that you're main work is towing through the dunes, I would seriously look at a towbar/sling/underlift. You know from experience most cars dont have recovery points, let alone lift points. And as demonstrated in this video, even bumpers are not lift points. A setup to pick up the frame to tow would also negate the need for someone to be in the towed vehicle manning the brakes. It would not be hard to design a towbar that can swivel and pivot, to allow articulation on the trail. Just look at the design Holmes has used for around a century. As Rory always says, winches are for pulling, not towing.
It’s great seeing your wrecker in action and watching the learning curve. Matt always stays calm and positive. Looks like a weak link on the Bronco was discovered.
Love you guys. Bought my brand new to me XJ! Wish I could be apart of a "family" like you guys. Would LOVE to work with my hands and build things. I work in the tech industry- and it's so cold.
Maybe consider putting a tow truck wheel lift system on the back to make it more stable to tow?? That Wrecker is so cool!
5:05 he has quite a bit of clearance. He really needed a front bumper that could handle the tow & not bend into the grill 12:40 though I imagine his bumper-company will make the changes after this filmed-failure of their bumper design.
Maybe you need hangers poking through the hood so that they can keep the line short.
Love to watch your video’s and know you know your stuff and have been towing forever. But there is a reason wreckers have sling straps even if it is just enough to keep the vehicle your towing far enough away to avoid damaging it’s front end on the crazy angles the largest off-road wrecker uses. While I am on a roll using the bumper ?? I know - but you showed us the bronco’s recover points on the frame. Those both used together with your skills would avoid the awkward conversation at the end. I am not a hater at all; you are all amazing and have the best recovery videos of all.
I have a DV8 rear bumper on my Ram 3500, solid bumper at a reasonable price, comparable to Rough Country. This was some good exposure for them and a solid recovery for the MORR team