I’m a complete beginner and only just got familiar with most moves from all of the different characters. Eddy is super annoying because all of his moves are hard to differentiate as they all look like low attacks.
here are news for you. you don't make a game so only the top % of players enjoy it. if we say that 50% are casuals then you made a character that's annoying for 50% of your player base. game devs want new players to buy there game(i know shocking concept) make a easy to play scrub killer is never a good idea. and it's a pretty bad game design.
@2iq371 except it is a good idea in their eyes especially when they are charging for it. Let him run rampant for a lil then tone him down after profiting off him.
Yeah I feel that he’s a character that shouldn’t be strong. Zafina was *too* strong in Tekken 7 and she was a nightmare to deal with. These stance heavy, knowledge checky characters should always hover around mid-tier imo
You guys act like he doesn't get asked every five minutes on stream if Eddy is good. Of course he's gonna give his first impressions. Obviously these will change over time.
@@lamellarm6546 these people just mad because tmmswe isn’t going with the scrub hive mind and dares to have his own opinion. If he said “eddy op pls nerf “everyone would be clapping right now
That's a tekken 8 problem in general, alot of characters need to get nerfed a bit. Most characters kind of do the same thing now just with different inputs, alot of uniqueness and counter play is gone compared to 7
It doesn't help when Bamco has been purposely releasing them overpowered for the last 2 seasons of Tekken 7 to make their full priced games p2w. After years of that behavior people are just going to assume the new character is BS and why wouldn't they
@@hrleinad so there is no point in what Ur saying, so He was right With eddy, thanks. Stop embarassing yourself. Can't even Name one Thing in the Video. Maybe you go into practice Mode and stop playing special style.
Eddy is not OP its the scummy things around him: - No Labbing for people who arent buying DLC - Resetting Eddy Comp Ranked to beginner so he noob stomps - Some long ranged mid attacks whiff against his idle animations - His super braindead 33333 combo which feels like the Victor Mains get a round two.
Dude devil jin has ss2 and hold up combo which does 74 damage, king can do hopkick into grab and does 62 damage. But its eddy all need to cry with his 33333 combo...
I don't think auto combos like that are problematic . Those combos are sub optimal at best and relying on that combo neither would make you a good eddy player nor good at Tekken .
@@artembochkarev6285 lol are you 4real? deviljin ss2 auto combo is lower damage then doing it manually... and it's a launch punishable mid that comes out of sidestep.
I have no idea about Tekken, in general, but I find Mainman's level of knowledge entertaining in itself. I've been following your channel for years now, It's pretty impressive, man.
Argument 1: TMM has the worst takes in the history of tekken in regards to new characters, dude said leroy was weak LMAO Argument 2: Jeodding already proving him dead wrong, can't expect much IQ from a kazuya main though.
@@HenriqueRJchiki #1 is not a counter-argument, that's just you being mad abot his comments without actually countering the point #2 So a pro player can make good use out of a new character. So what???
Even if he is not strong, he is knowledge checky and you need to learn specific things to punish him. Besides that some of his lows look like mids and mids look like lows. So there's tricky animation as well. Anyways I speculated that he would be a DLC character for exactly this reason. Lucky Chloe could be a DLC for same reason sometime.
Problem with Eddy isn't Eddy himself - it's the fact that he is one of the most knowledge check-y characters in the game, but you can't lab him without paying up first. You don't have a chance against Eddy if you can't lab his bullshit, making it clear P2W. I don't care if I can't play him without paying, but it's pure greed to lock even practice against him with a paywall.
Mannn same, he moves too much the amount of mid that whiffs because of his stances made me uncomfortable. But I’ll still learn this MU as a professional eddy hater
@@SnowflakeSSQ What fire ? In almost every tekken game if you get launched you can lose half or more of your HP .That's nothing new . Also combos been super long since Tekken 6 and arguably 5 .
Yep. He is the LAST person you should look up for how strong a character is or is not. Look at reina: he said she is super ultra duper hard, the hardest character ever made and she sucks. Lee was S tier for him for like a year. Dragunov was A tier until the very last videos, where is tbottom 5 suddenly, with zero changes for years.
@@W00JDA Bro wtf you bringing salt into this. He says in almost every video about reina impressions or winrate data is how hard Reina is. Project your salt somewhere else, you're not special.
He initially thought Kazuya was trash early on. Then the more he learned the game he said Kazuya is strong. These characters take time to fully understand.
I get what TMM is saying about being able to back dash against Eddy’s 50/50 in RLX but idk why he didn’t factor in Eddy can also move forward during RLX and follow up. So if you’re actively trying to back dash it he can dash forward and catch you with 3,3. I’ve done it myself multiple times against people trying to back dash. Also no mention of iWR3 being plus on block putting him into HS letting him either power crush through jabs if you try to poke him out or use 2 to get another plus frame on block move off that transitions him into RLX. db2,3 is a guaranteed launcher on CH that crushes highs and high mids. HSP b4 is an evasive CH launcher where Eddy jumps back and then jumps forward into you. Idk if Eddy is super broken mind you but TMM is underselling him a lot.
But i think eddy has very strong 50 50 because in relax stance he has lot of safe mixup. Yeah its high but worth it. 2nd when you do only f it ahead in relax stance which is quite scary 50 50
But only if he lands a hit into relax stance. If you BLOCK anything into relax stance, he is -7 to -9 on average depending on what he transitions from. What made Eddy a scrub killer in older Tekkens was that you need to use very specific moves to punish his relax stance. So many times, players would use generic mids and other attacks that would whiff on relax, and then get whiff punished despite Eddy being unsafe. Then the new players would erroneously claim that Eddy is plus on block when he was actually fully punishable. Now that relax has standing status, you can use ANY MID to punish. That’s a massive nerf and one of the main things that made Eddy confusing for new players is now gone.
TMM has a history or gauging a character’s strengths incorrectly for example, S1 Akuma, Lidia, Fahk, 5.0 Devil Jin, S4 Katarina and many more. Saying that he’s judging the character too early isn’t that much of a stretch if you look at his previous track record.
@@dechuggs9129 Again, what makes Eddy stronger than TMM made him out to be? All I'm getting is that you're judging his opinion based on the red herring alone.
@metsu-satsu4280 it is just early on dude. For example, TMM thought Kazuya was weak, by far the worst mishima, and a bottom tier character for like the first month and a half the game was out. He was playing the character consistently as his main and still thought those things. Now he sees that kazuya is def A tier and is likely even stronger than devil jin. Pretty radical change and again that was with a lot of playtime on his main... but i gotta trust mainman's day 4, sub 3 hours of playtime, opinion on Eddy? So similar to the fahkumram thing it is simply an early opinion.
@metsu-satsu4280 "red herring" So he knows some amount of debate rhetoric. Maybe you also notice that you misrepresented the others argument? He said "im getting early fakumram vibes from this" and you are moving the goalpost by asserting that the argument is "what makes eddy stronger than Mainman says?" when that wasnt the claim. He made no claim and did not give an opinion at all of whether mainman was incorrect or not. He simply implied he will wait until further evidence is brought to the table.
I don’t think to intermediate players the problem is how characters are on paper. Its more like the animation how you don’t know how he is beating you but he just spinning everywhere in the screen and your only option is watching them while they take half your health. Thats why we never hear complains about Jin because you can tell if he made a mid kick or a low kick
He’s not strong, he’s confusing. This is actually Tekken’s number one problem as a game, one that Tekken 8 actually does a good job handling, but then of course Eddy is one of the biggest offenders of it.
Anyone thinking Bamco is going to release a dlc character that is weak is naive, to put it mildly. In a couple of weeks Eddy will be in everyone's top 10 at worst.
The relax stance nerf is huge…. Anyone complaining about him is just struggling because he’s the new character to adjust to. Once he’s figured out, he’ll be low tier as usual
i feel like instead of bringing eddy back they just created a new capo, which if they were going to do might as well have been christie or tiger so you can have 2 capos that play completely differently
Eddy played a huge role in tekken working along side jin people just mad. Eddy was disrespect in tekken 7 with little to no traction, no side step, high risk little reward and people complaining. Compared to what he was this is a perfect upgrade
@@gabereell i was more hoping eddy got to maintain the og moveset and be it christie or tiger to get the new one so that their return was more justified
@@kennydupree6198 i mean some buffs to him were justified like giving him a sidestep and i got that they probably didn't want him to be released strong so they can buff him after, but i feel like the properties of old handstand and old relax should've been there as its core to his identity
If a character is still both fun to play as and play against, then they've done a decent job...I still prefer T7 Eddy, simply because I'm used to the old moveset and I'm obviously gonna miss being able to mix up based on muscle memory alone, but they still pretty much kept most of his identity in tact.
@sharkaholic2171 nah I watched a couple streamers try to get around it live, you have to pay for Eddy if you want to use him in replays or practice against him lol.
People are making way big of a deal of Eddy's auto combo . Its not an issue . That combo is suboptimal at best . Relying only on that combo won't make someone good at Tekken . Some characters are going to have easier options then other . Have y'all forgot Katarina or Noctis ? They are super easy characters to pick up and play but they'll not make you good at the game .
Some of his tracking should probably be adjusted as some move's like his df1 are almost homing but other than that I think he's pretty fair has some struggles but has some super strong moves like b3 is a really good counterhit launcher now that it's pretty easy to confirm
You’ll find your comfort zone, try it in a bunch of situations and you’ll find what you’re comfortable with. It’s very good when far from an opponent bc it has a lot of range
Yeah i used eddy for the longest time they took staple moves. reduced his 50/50 moves, you can't cancel a move and quickly switch from lows to mid or highs.
8:26 - Eduardo He says "Vamo lá!", a 'short-slanged' version of "Vamos lá!" which means "Let's go!". 25:26 - Eddy He says "Chegou a hora!", which means "The time has come!". 25:36 - Greek? 🤣
I think Eddy is only weak against the elite minority % of Tekken players who can almost read minds anyway. Eddy is elite against 90+% of players online. Hes also great at helping new players stick around and gain confidence, because button smashing with Eddy often overwhelms. Eddy isnt remotely close to top tier but i wouldnt be surprised if his win % online was near top of the pile
I consider eddy A tier. Probably the lowest in A tier because he has gimmicks and 50/50 at wall. Shaheen and steve , both character really dont have any gimmicks at all. And honest character so its honestly harder to win with them especially steve. 😆 Eddy is good. Probably not in tournament but online, he kills lol
Eddie is definitely not weak. He covers the screen and goes into 50/50 while evading everything. It’s crazy to downplay him. He can do armor into heat so you’re never allowed to press at the start of the round
What about making videos on dealing with each character? It's honestly very time consuming to look up each and every character. It's not like 2D games where learning a match up can be really fast and easy to remember
So they don't let him go back to neutral from handstand? That's absolutely awful. That just guts his capoeira expression that's the entire point of Eddy.
@@samuraix4966 Just got done playing those eddie scrubs in ranked and they just keep pressing buttons and are in a different stance every nanosecond. One nanosecond he's just in his normal stance, the other nanosecond he's standing on his hands, and the other nanosecond he's just bullshitting on the ground, and all of that while just pressing stuff with no way for me to know when I can punish since I don't know his frame data. So, I need to purchase him in order to lab him in practice mode or replays, which means that I now can't know which of his attacks are mid or low, what the frame data of his attacks are etc.
@@DBTHEPLUG for just playing tekken 7 Eddie and watching some random pro player talk about him is enough to learn the match up.(i just don't want to spend money after what they did to kazuya)
If you are familiar with the way moves are designed in tekken, you can intuitively know something is punishable. A mid mid string that knocks down for example is almost always -12 or more
I do agree that this version of eddy is pretty terrible. They took out a lot of his really good moves if not all of them.. Hand stand doesnt have movement like it once was, and missing the handstand duck into launcher took my soul.
yall complaining about eddy i fought against him today 1st time and i deleted him xddd players who plays him just spam strings and is easy to adapt and beat him
I was a big eddy enjoyer in T7, got him to Emperor and had a blast playing super defensively. But now, I just hate how he feels, like he's just another T8 rushdown character, except just a weak one at that. The old defensive tools that I loved (manual RLX to crush stuff, ss3+4, super good backdash) are gone and now you just get a weak rushdown character... Sad...
I don't use eddy, but at least they gave him a sidestep. Also with all the stuff that swe pointed out in the video, I don't really think you should be playing him like a rushdown character
First time playing Tekken and Managed to get to assailant in two hours knowing little on the game with Asuka. Now I'm constantly getting stomped by Eddy and his spammy moves. I think the issues scrubs like myself are experiencing is he inherently has an advantage over players not familiar with his unorthodox movement/attacks. Sure, skill issue and learn the matchup (all for it), but it seems the majority of the playerbase does find him to be pretty strong? The top 5% of players opinions don't outweigh the masses I suppose
Aye, I ain’t gone hold you…this mf not weak or maybe I suck, idk… he is the most aggressive character in the game rn, I’ve been destroyed by Eddys as a Jin main
Agreed. Having like 5 good moves alone does not make any character "OP", it starts when a move is strong and there is no easy counterplay to it(Azu's iWR for example), Eddy while has some new good stuff, his weaknesses seems to be the same(Even weaker pokes than in T7, steppable/reactable lows, pretty bad 50/50 without install, range/tracking issues on key moves, etc), this is why Kuma or Yoshi is also not "OP", just (Maybe) "strong", Eddy is the same type of character that is annoying to deal with because of his knowledge checky gameplay design, but that's all.
I'm hoping this actually reflects an acknowledgement that they fucked up in their design philosophy in this game and alot of the more questionable decisions like tracking heat smashes will be gone when the balance patch rolls around.
I have a feeling that this new Eddys not gonna grow on me, i liked the old one more, its the little things mostly. Even his charisma, the way he talks alot now, in 7 he did more ‘savage’ noices when doing moves, now hes all spiritual and wise🤣 It fits Hwoarang but Eddy, idunno
Hmm let's add new character that demolishes with over 10+ free launch and trap moves and you can't lab him to practice counters so many people will lose ranks due to this little trolling
As a low tier player, my ONLY complaint is getting farmed by much better players while I try to learn the game cause the ranks with Eddy are starting at the bottom
Something that made eddy stand out in 7 to me was his plethora of defensive options and keepout, both if which are very neutered in this game. He doesn't feel weak, but they removed a huge part of his identity and made him play the game the same way most of the other characters in T8 do
If you make Eddy weak, only casuals cry about how annoying he is. If you make him strong, everybody cries about how annoying he is.
I’m a complete beginner and only just got familiar with most moves from all of the different characters. Eddy is super annoying because all of his moves are hard to differentiate as they all look like low attacks.
Casuals are like 90% of the player base
here are news for you.
you don't make a game so only the top % of players enjoy it.
if we say that 50% are casuals then you made a character that's annoying for 50% of your player base.
game devs want new players to buy there game(i know shocking concept)
make a easy to play scrub killer is never a good idea.
and it's a pretty bad game design.
@2iq371 except it is a good idea in their eyes especially when they are charging for it. Let him run rampant for a lil then tone him down after profiting off him.
Yeah I feel that he’s a character that shouldn’t be strong. Zafina was *too* strong in Tekken 7 and she was a nightmare to deal with. These stance heavy, knowledge checky characters should always hover around mid-tier imo
It’s stupid how you can’t atleast LAB against the character I get not being able to play him in ranked but bro I can’t atleast go in a replay???
it aint much but at least u can play ghost battles though, was getting used to his moves playing against my brothers ghost just now
@@TemporalJimi how do you even use other people’s ghosts??
@@seanbrown7083 either download after you fight them in online battle or get them from leaderboards
It's crazy to me that For Honor, a really simple fighting game in comparison to T8 or SF6 let's you use DLC characters in training.
@@seanbrown7083 you have to go into leaderboards. The open the player profile, the download the ghost from a roster
Congrats
300K
bruh lets be honest...when was tmms first impression of a dlc char ever accurate or correct😭
Correct. He was even not impressed by launch leroy and did a video a week after „i was wrong leroy is SSS tier boss character „
@@finnt4937 not even a week, it took him 3 days to change his mind
Yet when he’s crapping on devil Jin you guys nod your heads like sheep 🐑
You guys act like he doesn't get asked every five minutes on stream if Eddy is good. Of course he's gonna give his first impressions. Obviously these will change over time.
@@lamellarm6546 these people just mad because tmmswe isn’t going with the scrub hive mind and dares to have his own opinion. If he said “eddy op pls nerf “everyone would be clapping right now
its not the OP part that bugs me. Its that every character is a 50/50 rushdown char now that is the problem.
That's a tekken 8 problem in general, alot of characters need to get nerfed a bit. Most characters kind of do the same thing now just with different inputs, alot of uniqueness and counter play is gone compared to 7
Leroy to the rushcue oh wait ..
Eddy mains going to go back to Hwoarang soon
tekken players when theres a new character meaning new moves to learn against
It doesn't help when Bamco has been purposely releasing them overpowered for the last 2 seasons of Tekken 7 to make their full priced games p2w. After years of that behavior people are just going to assume the new character is BS and why wouldn't they
Tell that to people that can't lab him cuz of paywall
Wait… do you play with a Xbox controller??
Hes definitely a noob crusher.
He's not op. I remember TMM saying the same about Fahkumram on release. 😂
He just explained why He is Bad, and showed it. Where Was He wrong? Which move?
@@VoidBass6412 he did the same to Fahkumram and you see how it turned out 😂
@@hrleinad??? As i said, explain where He is wrong With eddy? What time frame??
@@VoidBass6412 that has nothing to do with my point, though. Just wait a bit and see for yourself.
@@hrleinad so there is no point in what Ur saying, so He was right With eddy, thanks. Stop embarassing yourself. Can't even Name one Thing in the Video. Maybe you go into practice Mode and stop playing special style.
Eddy is that one character that you just can’t make that strong without the community outraging
The outrage is coming from Red ranks and under.
Thank you community 🙏
As it should as it should
Just like hwoarang
Well I thought the same thing about king, but look where we are now
"eddy has the worst 50/50 in the game"
Steve's Lionheart stance begs to differ.
Atleast it's not gigas Goliath stance
It's not a 50/50 if you can option select it
Honey that's not a 50/50 ...that's a warm welcoming hug to power crushes
@@kaiserthe5thI think that you are as cute as a bee.
@@kaiserthe5th if you do powercrush and steve cancels to his step or highcrush stance (depending what armor enemy has) he will launch armor whiff
Everyone in the comments is a tekken expert with 20 years of experience all of a sudden.
TMM has over 25 yrs of Tekken knowledge and still has bad takes/complains about matchups so whats your point?
Most tekken players played since Like tekken tag 1 and 3, I grew up on 2 and played 5 when i got a bit older
Preach lmao
Most Tekken players' first experience with the series was T2/T3 so that's not really an outlandish assumption.
Everyone's an expert in this game.
The irony that the only character that should track you doesn’t in a game where everything tracks
"Only" character is wild.
Saw a fair amount of whining about his b1 tracking too much on day 1 which was kinda funny
Eddy is not OP its the scummy things around him:
- No Labbing for people who arent buying DLC
- Resetting Eddy Comp Ranked to beginner so he noob stomps
- Some long ranged mid attacks whiff against his idle animations
- His super braindead 33333 combo which feels like the Victor Mains get a round two.
Dude devil jin has ss2 and hold up combo which does 74 damage, king can do hopkick into grab and does 62 damage. But its eddy all need to cry with his 33333 combo...
I don't think auto combos like that are problematic . Those combos are sub optimal at best and relying on that combo neither would make you a good eddy player nor good at Tekken .
If you’re crying about 33333 then that’s a skill issue
@@artembochkarev6285 lol are you 4real? deviljin ss2 auto combo is lower damage then doing it manually... and it's a launch punishable mid that comes out of sidestep.
33333 combo is no issue as long as it's balanced. A character can have the most difficult combos and still feel broken e.g. Akuma.
I have no idea about Tekken, in general, but I find Mainman's level of knowledge entertaining in itself. I've been following your channel for years now, It's pretty impressive, man.
TMM continuing with his prolonged April fool's upload schedule.
Ive noticed a lot of ppl are mad about TMMs comments on Eddy while providing 0 counter arguments to why Eddy is actually top tier.
Because his not even close to Top Tier. Has to commit to risky situations too much. His even more predictable then he was in T7 ..
Argument 1: TMM has the worst takes in the history of tekken in regards to new characters, dude said leroy was weak LMAO
Argument 2: Jeodding already proving him dead wrong, can't expect much IQ from a kazuya main though.
@@HenriqueRJchiki #1 is not a counter-argument, that's just you being mad abot his comments without actually countering the point
#2 So a pro player can make good use out of a new character. So what???
@@Kabra2012 Just take the L and move on dude, literally everyone is saying otherwise, TMM won't cream your cheeks stop licking his boots.
@@Kabra2012 Take the L and move on, stop licking TMM boots he's already married.
it feels like eddies 13 launch is bugged rather than indented.
it was like that in t7
Im new to tekken but i havent lost to an eddy online yet and i play leroy
This has now changed I lost against 1 Eddy
Even if he is not strong, he is knowledge checky and you need to learn specific things to punish him. Besides that some of his lows look like mids and mids look like lows. So there's tricky animation as well.
Anyways I speculated that he would be a DLC character for exactly this reason. Lucky Chloe could be a DLC for same reason sometime.
Let's go, he brought his intro back!
" Ground Zero Funk " from " Tekken 5 " 👌🏾!
Problem with Eddy isn't Eddy himself - it's the fact that he is one of the most knowledge check-y characters in the game, but you can't lab him without paying up first. You don't have a chance against Eddy if you can't lab his bullshit, making it clear P2W. I don't care if I can't play him without paying, but it's pure greed to lock even practice against him with a paywall.
Every fighting game is like that. Has nothing to do with greed.
Dude, every fighting game is like that. You can't practice with DLC characters in any fighting game period.
@@strawhatcoy6247maybe not, but its still a choice to continue a precedent that basically no one likes
Best tip i can give is if hes on tje floor, launch his ass 😭😭
In for honor you can play any character in training mode. Idk why other devs don't make this the same way.
I blink once I’m juggled to half health. I blink twice I’m completely dead fighting against eddy.
That's almost every character
Mannn same, he moves too much the amount of mid that whiffs because of his stances made me uncomfortable.
But I’ll still learn this MU as a professional eddy hater
@@DiegoXRA And Eddy is adding fuel to the fire, which doesn't sound good.
@@SnowflakeSSQ What fire ? In almost every tekken game if you get launched you can lose half or more of your HP .That's nothing new . Also combos been super long since Tekken 6 and arguably 5 .
@@DiegoXRA It's not just combos but some characters do insane damage from neutral like King's Heat Smash.
You guys remember TMM's first opinions on Leroy, Fahk, Lidia and Kuni?
They were the same. Means Edward is OP af.
Yep. He is the LAST person you should look up for how strong a character is or is not. Look at reina: he said she is super ultra duper hard, the hardest character ever made and she sucks.
Lee was S tier for him for like a year.
Dragunov was A tier until the very last videos, where is tbottom 5 suddenly, with zero changes for years.
@@kato093 Where exactly did he say that reina is the hardest? You look salty as hell.
@@W00JDADude he constantly says she is the hardest newcommer in the series, what are you talking about lol.
@@W00JDA Bro wtf you bringing salt into this. He says in almost every video about reina impressions or winrate data is how hard Reina is. Project your salt somewhere else, you're not special.
@@VerGiLL1 I mean she is the hardest newcomer, but strong af
Eddy feels like he should have been base roster but the devs needed a first big sale, everything about him and everything leading up screams it
i wish he just had his CH DF2, and old relax mix......
Not trying to hate or anything but tmms first dlcs impressions were always wrong
He initially thought Kazuya was trash early on. Then the more he learned the game he said Kazuya is strong. These characters take time to fully understand.
I agree. I think the only character he nailed early on was Leroy, but even my mom could play the game and tell you Leroy was broken lol
He was right about the last 4-5 tekken 7 dlc.
You wanna argue that eddy is strong? Lol?
@@JohnSmith-yn9ju Except Kazuya IS pretty weak in this game. TMM is just a contrarian trying to have his own opinion, no matter how wrong he is.
I get what TMM is saying about being able to back dash against Eddy’s 50/50 in RLX but idk why he didn’t factor in Eddy can also move forward during RLX and follow up. So if you’re actively trying to back dash it he can dash forward and catch you with 3,3. I’ve done it myself multiple times against people trying to back dash.
Also no mention of iWR3 being plus on block putting him into HS letting him either power crush through jabs if you try to poke him out or use 2 to get another plus frame on block move off that transitions him into RLX.
db2,3 is a guaranteed launcher on CH that crushes highs and high mids.
HSP b4 is an evasive CH launcher where Eddy jumps back and then jumps forward into you.
Idk if Eddy is super broken mind you but TMM is underselling him a lot.
Thats what we call first impressions, chars still new
But i think eddy has very strong 50 50 because in relax stance he has lot of safe mixup. Yeah its high but worth it. 2nd when you do only f it ahead in relax stance which is quite scary 50 50
But only if he lands a hit into relax stance. If you BLOCK anything into relax stance, he is -7 to -9 on average depending on what he transitions from. What made Eddy a scrub killer in older Tekkens was that you need to use very specific moves to punish his relax stance. So many times, players would use generic mids and other attacks that would whiff on relax, and then get whiff punished despite Eddy being unsafe. Then the new players would erroneously claim that Eddy is plus on block when he was actually fully punishable. Now that relax has standing status, you can use ANY MID to punish. That’s a massive nerf and one of the main things that made Eddy confusing for new players is now gone.
Am I tripping but didn’t he also say that Kazuya was going to be bottom tier before the game released? Or that Drag wasn’t going to be high tier?
Remember when TMM said launch Fahk was really underwhelming? Getting the same vibes from this video
And yet, you did't provide any counter-arguments explaining why he is wrong or what makes Eddy OP.
TMM has a history or gauging a character’s strengths incorrectly for example, S1 Akuma, Lidia, Fahk, 5.0 Devil Jin, S4 Katarina and many more. Saying that he’s judging the character too early isn’t that much of a stretch if you look at his previous track record.
@@dechuggs9129 Again, what makes Eddy stronger than TMM made him out to be? All I'm getting is that you're judging his opinion based on the red herring alone.
@metsu-satsu4280 it is just early on dude. For example, TMM thought Kazuya was weak, by far the worst mishima, and a bottom tier character for like the first month and a half the game was out. He was playing the character consistently as his main and still thought those things. Now he sees that kazuya is def A tier and is likely even stronger than devil jin. Pretty radical change and again that was with a lot of playtime on his main... but i gotta trust mainman's day 4, sub 3 hours of playtime, opinion on Eddy? So similar to the fahkumram thing it is simply an early opinion.
@metsu-satsu4280 "red herring"
So he knows some amount of debate rhetoric. Maybe you also notice that you misrepresented the others argument? He said "im getting early fakumram vibes from this" and you are moving the goalpost by asserting that the argument is "what makes eddy stronger than Mainman says?" when that wasnt the claim. He made no claim and did not give an opinion at all of whether mainman was incorrect or not. He simply implied he will wait until further evidence is brought to the table.
I don’t think to intermediate players the problem is how characters are on paper. Its more like the animation how you don’t know how he is beating you but he just spinning everywhere in the screen and your only option is watching them while they take half your health. Thats why we never hear complains about Jin because you can tell if he made a mid kick or a low kick
He’s not strong, he’s confusing. This is actually Tekken’s number one problem as a game, one that Tekken 8 actually does a good job handling, but then of course Eddy is one of the biggest offenders of it.
B+1 ,4 , 3+4 on counter it works i know its not juggle but it has very good damage more than 50dmg. And its also crush high moves alot even d+1 too
Anyone thinking Bamco is going to release a dlc character that is weak is naive, to put it mildly. In a couple of weeks Eddy will be in everyone's top 10 at worst.
First impressions are TMM’s worst matchup.
The relax stance nerf is huge…. Anyone complaining about him is just struggling because he’s the new character to adjust to. Once he’s figured out, he’ll be low tier as usual
i feel like instead of bringing eddy back they just created a new capo, which if they were going to do might as well have been christie or tiger so you can have 2 capos that play completely differently
they might still bring christie back with the og moveset (although id prefer tiger)
Eddy played a huge role in tekken working along side jin people just mad. Eddy was disrespect in tekken 7 with little to no traction, no side step, high risk little reward and people complaining. Compared to what he was this is a perfect upgrade
@@gabereell i was more hoping eddy got to maintain the og moveset and be it christie or tiger to get the new one so that their return was more justified
@@kennydupree6198 i mean some buffs to him were justified like giving him a sidestep and i got that they probably didn't want him to be released strong so they can buff him after, but i feel like the properties of old handstand and old relax should've been there as its core to his identity
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Zafina has worse 50/50
If a character is still both fun to play as and play against, then they've done a decent job...I still prefer T7 Eddy, simply because I'm used to the old moveset and I'm obviously gonna miss being able to mix up based on muscle memory alone, but they still pretty much kept most of his identity in tact.
I'm sorry but can't u download eddy ghosts from other players? I thought u could at least lab in replay but I was apparently wrong
You can't use the replays to lab. It will tell you that you need to purchase him first before trying to take control or even watch the replay.
@@XxUnraveledGamerxX that's actually terrible massive L on BAMCO side a friend told me u could I should've seen for myself
@sharkaholic2171 nah I watched a couple streamers try to get around it live, you have to pay for Eddy if you want to use him in replays or practice against him lol.
People are making way big of a deal of Eddy's auto combo . Its not an issue . That combo is suboptimal at best . Relying only on that combo won't make someone good at Tekken . Some characters are going to have easier options then other . Have y'all forgot Katarina or Noctis ? They are super easy characters to pick up and play but they'll not make you good at the game .
Some of his tracking should probably be adjusted as some move's like his df1 are almost homing but other than that I think he's pretty fair has some struggles but has some super strong moves like b3 is a really good counterhit launcher now that it's pretty easy to confirm
New to TK. Whats the utility of demon paw? Why should someone use demon paw and when?
You’ll find your comfort zone, try it in a bunch of situations and you’ll find what you’re comfortable with. It’s very good when far from an opponent bc it has a lot of range
50/50 with hellsweep
Yeah i used eddy for the longest time they took staple moves. reduced his 50/50 moves, you can't cancel a move and quickly switch from lows to mid or highs.
Eddy was such a cool character in 7. His poking keep out play style was so rewarding. Now hes just unga bunga.
making him into mid when hes ON THE GROUND is kind of stupid. Like hes lower then when he ducks XD
8:26 - Eduardo He says "Vamo lá!", a 'short-slanged' version of "Vamos lá!" which means "Let's go!".
25:26 - Eddy He says "Chegou a hora!", which means "The time has come!".
25:36 - Greek? 🤣
Eddy is not op. Most of his moves are stepable and his stances are not safe in block. The worst 50-50 ever.
I think Eddy is only weak against the elite minority % of Tekken players who can almost read minds anyway. Eddy is elite against 90+% of players online. Hes also great at helping new players stick around and gain confidence, because button smashing with Eddy often overwhelms.
Eddy isnt remotely close to top tier but i wouldnt be surprised if his win % online was near top of the pile
I consider eddy A tier. Probably the lowest in A tier because he has gimmicks and 50/50 at wall. Shaheen and steve , both character really dont have any gimmicks at all. And honest character so its honestly harder to win with them especially steve. 😆 Eddy is good. Probably not in tournament but online, he kills lol
Eddie is definitely not weak. He covers the screen and goes into 50/50 while evading everything.
It’s crazy to downplay him. He can do armor into heat so you’re never allowed to press at the start of the round
What about making videos on dealing with each character? It's honestly very time consuming to look up each and every character. It's not like 2D games where learning a match up can be really fast and easy to remember
So they don't let him go back to neutral from handstand? That's absolutely awful. That just guts his capoeira expression that's the entire point of Eddy.
Spamers are gonna have a lot of fun...
If you aren't spamming (i.e. pressing buttons in quick succession), you are most likely not a good Tekken player.
@@DBTHEPLUG we both know that I'm talking about new players who don't understand how the game works.
@@samuraix4966 Just got done playing those eddie scrubs in ranked and they just keep pressing buttons and are in a different stance every nanosecond. One nanosecond he's just in his normal stance, the other nanosecond he's standing on his hands, and the other nanosecond he's just bullshitting on the ground, and all of that while just pressing stuff with no way for me to know when I can punish since I don't know his frame data.
So, I need to purchase him in order to lab him in practice mode or replays, which means that I now can't know which of his attacks are mid or low, what the frame data of his attacks are etc.
@@DBTHEPLUG for just playing tekken 7 Eddie and watching some random pro player talk about him is enough to learn the match up.(i just don't want to spend money after what they did to kazuya)
If you are familiar with the way moves are designed in tekken, you can intuitively know something is punishable. A mid mid string that knocks down for example is almost always -12 or more
Made it to Eliminator by just spamming 3, heat burst and heat smash just to see how far it would carry
Enjoy Eddy not being able to punish with WS 1,3 while you can. No way they let that stand where its useless for punishing blocked lows.
Dont hate on Eddy
Fax 📠
Reddit crying right now, but when are they not. Eddy isn't top tier for sure. He's decent but long term I don't think we will see him as much.
I do agree that this version of eddy is pretty terrible.
They took out a lot of his really good moves if not all of them..
Hand stand doesnt have movement like it once was, and missing the handstand duck into launcher took my soul.
I got confused when he said fy dx until I remembered he massacres every single youtuber's name so he is talking about phidx
I don't know shit about how good or bad Eddy is but what I do now is that he was animated wonderfully.
yall complaining about eddy i fought against him today 1st time and i deleted him xddd players who plays him just spam strings and is easy to adapt and beat him
This patch has been such chaos that I’ve heard way more about everything else in the patch than Eddy. Welcome back to TH-cam Mainman.
Lmaoo..not that strong…but still gets dominated by the chains in his move list..smh..he isnt that strong as in t7..but is still stronger lol
What up papa
The reason DF2 doesnt launch anymore because of how good it is on block
The push back at minus 5 allows eddy to backdash and launch any whiff
Exactly what i was thinking, if it launched it'd be OP
I was a big eddy enjoyer in T7, got him to Emperor and had a blast playing super defensively. But now, I just hate how he feels, like he's just another T8 rushdown character, except just a weak one at that. The old defensive tools that I loved (manual RLX to crush stuff, ss3+4, super good backdash) are gone and now you just get a weak rushdown character... Sad...
I don't use eddy, but at least they gave him a sidestep. Also with all the stuff that swe pointed out in the video, I don't really think you should be playing him like a rushdown character
we need the Delete Eddy patch quick
It should have been Christie instead. Eddy doesn't feel like himself at all.
also "Chego agora" means "Its time"
kung lao - "Bora la" means "lets go!"
I played eddy yesterday man thay literally roind one of my most favorite caricters of all time I'm soo bumbed out
I hate when they roined things and in turn make me bumbed out
Wtf are you saying
DLC power.
I just want Eddy gone
Demon Paw has like a 3m reach but yea sure. Infinity.
Hmm hes definitely doesnt seem broken, but weak? idk bout that
In Brazil they speak Portuguese not Greek!!! Waoooooo
Greek in Brasil 😂 (fyi - Portuguese) 25:35
25:28 Maiman: "chupou a rola"
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Google it later.
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wow, ppl really making eddy look like hes stupid broken but he just me be ok. now the 333333 spam might be good for new players.
Change your DP to previous one
This hate toward dragunov is so uncalled for.
First time playing Tekken and Managed to get to assailant in two hours knowing little on the game with Asuka. Now I'm constantly getting stomped by Eddy and his spammy moves. I think the issues scrubs like myself are experiencing is he inherently has an advantage over players not familiar with his unorthodox movement/attacks. Sure, skill issue and learn the matchup (all for it), but it seems the majority of the playerbase does find him to be pretty strong? The top 5% of players opinions don't outweigh the masses I suppose
this video teaches us that people generally dont step in this game
weak my ass, everything he does is plus or safe
I paid $70 for this… Can’t lab the character without paying up and I had hope that this wouldn’t be the same in T8… Oh well, it’s been fun I guess.
Lmao cry louder
I have been getting most of my wins off Eddie players. Thank you for your sacrifice.
Aye, I ain’t gone hold you…this mf not weak or maybe I suck, idk… he is the most aggressive character in the game rn, I’ve been destroyed by Eddys as a Jin main
Agreed. Having like 5 good moves alone does not make any character "OP", it starts when a move is strong and there is no easy counterplay to it(Azu's iWR for example), Eddy while has some new good stuff, his weaknesses seems to be the same(Even weaker pokes than in T7, steppable/reactable lows, pretty bad 50/50 without install, range/tracking issues on key moves, etc), this is why Kuma or Yoshi is also not "OP", just (Maybe) "strong", Eddy is the same type of character that is annoying to deal with because of his knowledge checky gameplay design, but that's all.
Eddy frame combo
Bro left then cooked with a new intro😂
Day 1 of asking Swe-sama to flash on twitch while wearing Kazuya cosplay and shouting Bagoosh.
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I think the neutral animation is the most annoying thing about him. Nevermind the 3,3,3,3 into more 3 spam
I'm hoping this actually reflects an acknowledgement that they fucked up in their design philosophy in this game and alot of the more questionable decisions like tracking heat smashes will be gone when the balance patch rolls around.
I have a feeling that this new Eddys not gonna grow on me, i liked the old one more, its the little things mostly. Even his charisma, the way he talks alot now, in 7 he did more ‘savage’ noices when doing moves, now hes all spiritual and wise🤣 It fits Hwoarang but Eddy, idunno
Eddy was properly tuned and everyone else got cartoonish tracking. Almost to the point of being a 2D game.
Ok hear me out, what if we all say Eddy is trash like TMM so noone plays him in ranked? If we say he's top tier all scummy players are gonna play him
Hmm let's add new character that demolishes with over 10+ free launch and trap moves and you can't lab him to practice counters so many people will lose ranks due to this little trolling
As a low tier player, my ONLY complaint is getting farmed by much better players while I try to learn the game cause the ranks with Eddy are starting at the bottom
High risk low reward 😂
But mainman why people use his lows 2.5 distance they move f then will make strong 50 50
Something that made eddy stand out in 7 to me was his plethora of defensive options and keepout, both if which are very neutered in this game. He doesn't feel weak, but they removed a huge part of his identity and made him play the game the same way most of the other characters in T8 do