The Truth About Google Cloud and Firebase
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ส.ค. 2024
- Imagine if Google Cloud was usable lol
Seriously, so tired of everything to do with GCP. I hope this video helps y'all understand why I can never recommend using it
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I'm pretty sure Shopify uses Google cloud platform so that's one large company that uses it.
So does Uber.
And Spotify.
And Midjourney.
And PayPal.
And Home Depot.
Yes they allow store owners to store unlimited images
Amateurs, they should switch to Railway and Vercel like pros.
Even the APIs of their own services is a massive pain in the rear end to work with, let alone Google Cloud. It really felt like they tried to go into the right direction with Firebase, but a lot of it is so dependent on Google Cloud infrastructure that it just makes all that effort go in vain (not to mention there are things you still can only do within Google Cloud, even if you "only" use Firebase).
Firebase was acquired by Google some years ago, it didn't depend on GCP before, but now they try to merge them into GCP, which IMO is a big mistake. Now you have a firebase project, AND a GCP project, and none of each owns the other one that it is so confusing right now.
We use Google Cloud for four different startups where I work as a CTO. We have been using it for almost ten years. We utilize Compute Engine, Instance Grouping, Cloud Build, Load Balancer, Bucket, and SQL Service (both MySQL and PostgreSQL), and they are all awesome; we have never had any problems. It is much cheaper than AWS and has a better UX, making it easy to use.
Exactly, i just recently started working with it and it’s amazing for microservices too with cloud functions
This is also my experience, we have monitors in place for our services and has been reliable so far (6 years).
I recently switched from Azure SQL Server to FireStore and the difference in performance is night & day - I went from a 90s cold-start time to a 200ms cold-start time for DB transactions. MS also have a realtime product but it costs an incredible amount of money.
i also have never had issues with it, although in terms of DX I just prefer vercel which is built on top of AWS, when I have had the need to do more serious stuff, I have always used GCP and terraform
It’s great until they update your kubernetes version without a warning and despite you explicitly forbidding updates and your version was not even end of life, which ends up breaking all your production frontends for half a day.
Or your google managed certificate is not being updated and there is no notification or warning whatsoever.
yeah great stuff. really!
I use cloudrun, you can literary spin a service in seconds with one command. It's not so hard as you make it.
You need to enable a bunch of apis to make it first run sure, it feels counterintuitive but it's by design, they lock all api access till you explicitly tell them so - principle of least priveledge
I would add that their cli can infer what you are trying to do, so it can detect what kind of image to build without a Dockerfile how cool is that 😎 🎩 🪄
Agree with you, i spun up 3 cloud run services yesterday with no issue, literally took 30 seconds each including creating new projects.
That said, when a client i was working with started using gcp the random downtime on various fundamental services was just weird and annoying. I like it for personal stuff cos the console is nice, not sure I'd use it for anything I want to scale significantly tho
I use cloud run for a service for an open source project. It's good but for small projects, honestly, there are better serverless alternates (primarily because they're free).
Cloud run is good though, don't get me wrong, but it's not the first tool I'd reach for. Also, being unable to use any container registry means that you have to pay for google artifact registry, even for free tier.
@@elina6969 I agree, on the serverless space there are better alternatives than cloudrun, faster too. But there is certainly room for other usage, eg, moving your legacy service. A service written in golang is wickeldly fast in cloudrun.
Or a service that needs a static IP because you don't control it? As far I know, it's cloudrun is the only serverless solution that offers that, it's called serverless VPC. Did I mention they have the best in classs VPC solution out of all the big clouds out there?🤗
This video kinda surprisme. Ive been working as a data eng for the past 7 years and been a heavy GCP user for past 4 at least mainly because BigQuery basically took over the market in what respects to data warehouse and data lakes.
The API enabling is quite tedious at the beginning of each new project tbh and I can see how is a big stopper for anyone new to the platform. The UI vs AWS is a huge topic, aws is just ugly but functional (mainly for people use to it and/or more technical) while GCP is prettier and over simplifies some stuff. In any case I'm at that point where i see both just a read only and just use terraform for almost everything.
I spam my terraform config with services I commonly use to automatically enable the apis at the beginning of a project
I couldn’t agree more! We’ve been using GCP for 4+ years and yes, figuring out new service configurations can be tedious at times, but give it a shot and it gets surprisingly user-friendly and reliable. In the end, once you get comfortable with it, Terraform does all the job by that point.
I use gcloud for my day job everyday and I simply cannot disagree with you. My team is “forced” to use it for a very specific big data set analytics use case and as a result we’ve double dipped into some extra stuff like having some of our logging there.
Can’t say I love it but the cost is surprisingly low (for now)
Is forced in parentheses because sometimes you guys use an alternative method anyway? Lol and if so, what method would that be?
Prometheus, Kubernetes, CockroachDB, PlanetscaleDB, Cassandra and Hadoop are all modeled after Google-internal technologies.
However, they don't seem to do well at making their external products shine.
I love Theo's content I genuinely believed he is sincere, it's just that in tech it's not so black and white, you mentioned render and railway like they are the only big companies who uses gcp, what about spotify, paypal, hsbc, twitter?
You make it sound like just because these two conpanies have problems with gcp, makes it a no go?
I would advice to sincerely try gcp, but I get it, you are a serverless guy. I'll give you an example, Google's VPC is years ahead of any big cloud provider out there. You probably never used it but it's fine, just saying there's more to it than basing your ultimate judgement off two rants.
Uhhh have you tried to use Spotify, PayPal, and Twitter?
@@NickServ I've used Spotify for 10+ years and can't remember it borking out? Twitter seems to be having problems, but more due to all the redundancies than their infra provider. PayPal I can't comment on, I don't use it.
I worked at google. They tossed at us 30 thousand pages of documentation (not exaggerating) which were changing every day (if not every second) and were like "go support the customers". Unless you had a crystal ball, no way to figure out anything and this is the REASON behind this employes not being able to really help the customers (+ the HR practices of hiring people are very questionable...)
Had a small research spike that required me to use GCP because I was accessing google sheets and google docs. A ton of gotchas, weird things I needed to enable in order for me to even do the work. Docs weren't great for what I was doing but I'd imagine it's similar quality to other products. Standup would be kinda embarassing cuz I'd be dealing with GCP specific problems
Used GCP for my first job, Cloud Build was a bit of chore and the docs were terrible, but services did the job well.
GCP is good enough to avoid AWS. And cheap enough to avoid Vercel.
exactly
Suddenly azure looks pretty good
The only cloud product of theirs that I enjoy using is their Auth. Firebase is better, but we use it for a number of clients and I am terrified that in 5-6 years they'll just pull the plug and not open source it. Even worse, the vendor lock is insane. It would require an entire rebuild of the DB, backend and client.
Theo, great vid but what is that thing attached to the lid of your MBP? Is it a phone holder or a wallet?
Moved from Cloud Run to Railway. Can't even begin to describe how much better the latter is
Used for 5 years for production. Had zero outages or problems. GCP is pretty good if you know what you are doing. People who complain about GCP usually are the ones who use some experimental or beta stage services.
Been using Cloud Run, Compute Engine, Cloud Build, Cloud Scheduler and Cloud Secrets for 2 years now.
I have never experienced any downtime so far. Sure their offerings might *look* intimidating but it's just a matter of investing a bit of time to get used to it.
After that you for instance with Cloud Run have soooo much more flexibility over "new age" alternatives.
Pricing is also neat.
dude I am gcp user for past 6 years and never had bad experiences, rather better than aws or azure, but sure if you approach using any tool with negative expectations you get negative experience, at least you have great experiences with products that pay for your videos :D, really shill behaviour
I totally agree. We have been using GCP for about 3 years and never had any issues
I've heard that many retailers don't wanna use AWS because of Amazon, since it is a competitor. So it's either Azure or GCP. Would you recommend Azure in that case?
That concern is silly. If AWS actually restricted a customer because they compete on the retail side, the lawsuits would easily cover the cost of moving to another service
Using Azure at the moment as the client is deep in a Microsoft hole and it's considerably less of a ballache than Google Cloud. Probably wouldn't use it otherwise, though.
@@t3dotggI think they mean more in terms of supporting a competitor by paying for AWS as a product.
@@t3dotggI'm fairly certain that Shopify doesn't use AWS for this particular reason.
By the way, what’s the firebase alternative for tens of thousands of websocket connections that can fallback to long-polling?
So I'm not the only one - thanks Theo for confirming that I'm not crazy. You know what your next video should be? Microsoft's cloud security (or lack thereof) and crashy SaaS apps.
I've used it once for using the Google Sheets API, the setup was cumbersome and unnecessarily complicated. I needed to setup my billing, and register an email hosting with my domains registrar. This was just to automate passing some csv data to a google sheets... hopefully they sell their google suite to so someone can simplify the process.
We use gcp and are pretty happy about it
Hey Theo, when did Stevey write that thing that you read as the thesis of this video? Just, like, out of curiosity.
Hi Theo, I have been using GCP for the last 6 years on work and personal projects and it has been a good experience, when comparing cloud providers I found AWS extremely confusing and I don't regret my decision.
If your service is not massive on resources and you can straight up use what they offer I think you would have a good experience.
But If you are a massive user like Railway I can see them having this kind of issues since I don't think there is good support in place to deal with those situations.
There ought to be good support for these clients. I mean, they pay GCP the most and GCP earns a lot from these users. At this point, good UX and being cheap are the only selling points of GCP
I recently created an account on Railway per your suggestion Theo, and I love it!!!!
Sadly AWS doesn't offer anything that could compare to BigQuery. Using both Redshift and BQ, the difference is glaringly obvious. Which is sad because I kinda like AWS Glue
I've been using GCP for the last 3 years and kinda hate and love it. Cloudrun is really nice, bug the our deploys use Gitlab CI/CID with gcloud cli, just 3 or 4 lines and done. Also their CLI is pretty great!!!
The hate part is around their PUB/SUB product, I had so many problems around it, it sending the same messages multiple times, it showing in their UI millions of messages when I only sent less than 100 (hundred) which trigger my alert system and had me investigating it for hours, wasting my time.
Nice video! It tickled me, but we use GCP at my current employer. We've had to internally document the GCP console because it is so utterly unintuitive.
Agreed - GCP has massive challenges.
Also: looking forward to this same topic for AWS 😬
Great experience from here. Those settings you mentioned is bot fair against something like vercel. They needed to build the hole dam website to abstract AWS... 😂
GCP is almost free for the most part, so keep using GCP until a free alternative is out there or until your business is big enough that other alternatives are cheaper. I run a big business and only pay 7$ per month, mostly due to firestore backups. If you know what you're doing you can have a very big business with 0 cost., or pay 500$+ to AWS, DO, vercel, your choice. It's not like AWS has a better user experience. Outages happen always, lambda is rubbish in terms of downtime compared to cloud functions And EC2s are even worse unless you can afford big instances with scaling.
I'd say go for GCP or hetzner dedicated servers, anything else is way more expensive that those two.
GCP runs some of the biggest websites like Netflix, Tesla, Twitter. Entire of Apple's icloud runs on google cloud.
What makes this video fake news is that *all* internal google projects run on gcp as well. This includes TH-cam as well 😂
Netflix primarily runs on AWS though
@@TCH534 All their AI/ML stuff is done on GCP
The legend says google cloud update their Terms of Service more than anything else.
I have a few domains registered with google domains, I dont know what will happen to them.
Having tried Azure, AWS, GCP and others less known like Vultr, the thing that i hated the most about GCP was the lag on their console. Having to wait 2-3 seconds, and sometimes even more than this for some pages, was not a good experience. It made me not even look at it when deciding what cloud provider to go for my startup.
Which cloud provider did you end up choosing, and why?
Hey, if Railway left GC I might get back to using their service, because it's awesome, but I'm in EU and a 200ms ping on all endpoints on my backend is not cool. This is due to Railway only hosting on US servers :(
Gcloud does have one thing going for them - they exist so we can negotiate our AWS cost to be lower
Thank you! It's clear that the likes of Google and Apple don't use their own products. Remember, they're marketing to consumers. Looking for a simple cloud provider that is as open and standards-based as possible. 90% of web apps are the same: frontend, backend, database. You need a load balancer/firewall that routes to frontend server(s), backend server(s), and database cluster with primary and maybe replica(s). Why doesn't anyone get this? Why do all these providers want us to reinvent the wheel? Vendor lock-in, maybe. AWS, GCP, and all other providers lock you into their system instead of having an open standards-based system, so it's very difficult to compare costs across providers easily.
Fun fact, while the google cloud dashboard is _sort of_ usable for enterprise users, that very same dashboard is basically unusable for personal users as the styling and scripting is completely borked up
I'm glad I know how to set up local hardware. Feel like that's gonna be a valuable skill in a few years
Hey Theo have you thought of taking to the CTO's of these companies that run on GCP:
1) Spotify
2) Apple
3) Twitter
4) Netflix
5) Walmart
They don't maintain their platform at all. The installing process is extremely painful, for example, they're still rely on you to build the correct python2.7 dependencies, which most modern Linux distributions have stopped supporting for a long time. And a bunch of random errors along the way.
Native Android development gives me nightmares lol
"Adoption is pitiful"... 11% of the cloud market or about a third of AWS. I don't think bunch of anecdotes are enough to condemn such widely used product.
We only use Google because they have an instance in our country. We use terraform and use their compute engine. Cloud run and cloud functions suck ass. Tried app engine once and will never use it again.
Theo in the new location is more quiet and modest than the previous Theo(
Same with dotnet maui. Learned the hard way if a company isn't willing to dog food their stuff run away. Why doesn't MS use Maui for teams and outlook? I bet MAUI would get better in like 6 months if they did.
Need this video for Azure asap
Big query is used an incredible amount for Data Scientists
i used the google could only when i needed the free drive storage...
People, I want to dig (just a little) into cloud. I was thinking about choosing GCP, but now Theo comes in and blurs my mind. What would be more convenient?
Found the same article while trying to understand how gcs works and why was the documentation so bad. I use Google App Script inside workspace a lot, thought all of google products were as good and documented; as Steve points it out the only good "platform" is inside google workspace, the rest is garbage compared to it.
Been deployed on GCP for over a year now. Yes, some things are a real *@#@$ but in the end it seems pretty OK
BTW, BitDefender, the best zero-day protection-provider-AV that protected against crypto malware when it started to appear, is rewriting for GCP. 😂
Very true, had similar horrible experience with Google.
I don't believe in cloud at all, self hosted was always cheaper for me. Even when renting physical servers in a data center, although it is a single server, 90% of the time, its more than enough having 2-3 servers just for very dedicated jobs.
1 for storage
1 for database (mysql, redis, etc)
1 for the primary application.
Only thing i do see a huge advantage are serverless functions and s3 buckets, but thats about it.
Everything else is hella overpriced, overengineered or too hard to predict the correct pricing for.
You do not work in a big company right? Try to make procurement to buy something by using your assigned budget and then make the IT services connect it to the intranet. Good luck if you need to increase capacity in short run. Clouds simplify a big corporation problem: procurement and IT resource management
@@enderan27 fair, it really depends on company size
It's not only their could, also android feels like there is no vision behind it. And the docs and free courses are so terrible.
I've tried using GCP once few years ago, but goddamn it was so complex moved to AWS and it was way easier.
5:35 oh so you mean it’s good to dogfood your own API which you also provide to 3rd parties? GraphQL seems to be good for that…
Rest in peace Google Cloud
I had the same absolutely ridiculous developer experience with GCP, this sucks
Have been using google cloud document AI to hack something up recently and it is a god damn mess
Something as simple as authenticating with their SDK is such a pain as they want you to use some stupid service account bullshit instead of being normal humans and allowing a simple passing of an env variable
Moral of the story is, some rando radio button can make or break your new API in GC console.
Google doing same old google stuff, say they have the best product only to kill it two weeks later
😂😂😂 oooh google, I tried their cloud storage and oooh man did I get into trouble.
I don’t think the problem is that “google doesnt internally use it” I’d say the problem is moreso that google doesnt try to understand the users of the platform and their needs. The client with the loudest support person always wins.
Imagine being so clueless as to call a product that brought google 28 billion dollars in revenue in 2022 as pitiful. 🤡
I feel like the new space (even though it looks way more professional) sends not-so-friendly vibes. Maybe it was deliberate, but you seem very distant in it, like a presenter with bad news
I tried using gcloud with free credits and I just gave up from how hard it was - worst part is that it made me feel incompetent because I didn't understand all the options.
I think Apple uses Google Cloud for iCloud services. Apple also uses AWS. I'm pretty sure if GCP sucked Apple wouldn't use them for iCloud.
I used to be a huge fan of GCP, but now I’m curious about trying out AWS and Azure. Azure, in particular, offers easy-to-use API endpoints for running inferences on LLM models like OpenAI’s GPT and Meta’s LLaMA 2.
the only reason to ever use gcp are tpus :(
My company used google cloud.. dont have issues afaik
Oops maybe you forgot to turn on the light
Yes. Because client use it. Want to not use it but can't do it.
I have never heard someone recommend google cloud
Doesn't make any sense.
Our company uses Google religiously, I only started it myself in 2020. The first thing I did was purchase a Google workspace subscription, best move I’ve ever made. We use Google Cloud and Firebase instead of AWS because I dislike Amazon much more than Google. 😂
I think Google is a dumb liberal company, don’t get me wrong, but Amazon is an absolute facist empire…
Who says GCP has a worse UX than AWS, never realy used GCP. GCP is WAAAAY more simpler than AWS (specialty in networking).
Give digital ocean a try!
my company is using google app engine form literally 7 years i did not hear any problems from gcp side, is this guys just making video just for sake of making it ?
Google Domains has (had) nothing to do with the GCP. Please, just stop referring to a dead-born product in context of GCP. Which is (GCP) a GOOD product and actually pretty well-designed from the architecture perspective. If you don't get it - it's fine. But I know lots of people (including myself) who's happily using GCP without any major issues.
P.S. Nobody uses GCP web-interface, people use Terraform or other tools to interact with GCP APIs.
GCP gave me a headache trying to use any one of their APIs. Trying to use their translate API, there were multiple ways to achieve the same thing, some endpoints required authentication, some didn't. Getting all the required information through their web interface was god awful. To say nobody uses the web interface is dishonest, cause that is shoving the entire UX onto terraform. Then its just a battle of performance. As a tool to actually use, neither GCP or AWS are simple, but AWS is a lot less infuriating IMO
You know you've got a poor product when AWS provides a more user-friendly experience
GCP’s support is truly awful, but the platform itself is decent. Tbh I think GCP Cloud Functions are a better serverless implementation than AWS Lambda
I'd still take GCP over AWS any day.
WTFF Why are you editing every word of his talking?!
I've had to use it for work. I hate it
You know it’s bad if they make aws look good.
lol I bought a .dev domain like 2 months ago RIP
Amazon didn’t use their cloud until 2018, so this doesn’t really explain these issues
That's not at all true. AWS was started as a platform for Amazon to consume themselves. They had an internal compute platform that was heavily consumed before EC2 became popular, but in general, AWS was designed for internal consumption.
Utterly incorrect, AWS was a result of Amazon addressing their own needs
sup
And of course Azure will be worse because even if Microsoft uses it themselves, their web product is already shit anyways
aws > azure > gcp
You are cherry picking, you can make this kind of video about every cloud provider or service ... However googles overall customer service seems just bad (in every cornor of google)
Please take down this video or correct it, Its simply not true. You are more than welcome to have gripes with GCP and its reliability, as well as explain your experiences of it. But its important to realise that many google products internally and some external use GCP, further many of the biggest sites in the world host with them.
Every cloud provider has strengths and weaknesses, I feel like this video is overly clickbaity and just smells of misinformation purely to drum up hate for a platform that honestly has a decent amount of value.
Skill issue
Dogfooding: "Dogs are hungry for dog food. And software engineers at many companies are hungry to “dogfood.” In the world of tech, dogfooding means consistently using a product you built, just as a user might, to figure out what works and what needs to be fixed." -NYT
The most ridiculous thing with firebase is that It does not support full text search. When I found out about this I switched to MomgoDB.
(your) mom-go?
you use your mom as a db?
@@Dev-Siri No bro, was talking about your mom. Say greetings from me.