Also, if you want to get the flutters back, you have to remove the additional stabilizer bar, which is unique to this trem. That additional stop bar allows you to do double stop bends without having to bend both strings to compensate.
Was literally going to say the same thing, it was the first thing that came off my RG2550 (however I think that has a slightly different bridge), torque up the whammy bar screw up and it’s solid fluttery fluffness!
If you remove the Stop Bar and the two Springs holding the Stop Bar holding the block at its 0 point the bridge will become floating and you can flutter
I really like the Ibanez. I’ve been playing the JS series almost exclusively for the past 10 years so I really miss my RG’s. This makes me want to put a few of them back in the hot rack.
@@loukas2711 I have an old RG560 from 1991 I think and I played the crap outta that think back in the day. I retired it because somebody tripped on the cord dragging it off the stand ultimately breaking the headstock right where they all break where the locknut screws go thru the neck. You’ll really like the JS models. I have three so far. I just ordered the JS2480MCR with Sustainiac. I’ve never had built-in Sustainiac before. It should be here in about 5 more days so I’m pretty dang excited.
@@GeorgeBonez oh that rg sounds amazing I’m sorry to hear about that neck man😢 I remember hearing about the old necks breaking because they were so thin and the screws on the back creating a weak point but the new genesis has that 5 piece neck so it’s a bit stronger now which is good and It’s still great that they make the rg550s in Japan too! Those js guitars you have sound amazing though I really do wish that I could play one. I might go to Andertons soon so I might play one there because I got my rg550 off there and there was a js there but i was stupid and I didn’t ask if o could play it😭 but I do know I’m not getting a new guitar anytime soon i can’t make the money to get a guitar like a js because im 15 and I saved for 2 years to get the rg550 alone
Thomas...There's a stabalizer bar and 2 springs in that bridge cavity that if you remove it , it will definitly free up that trem! Same one I have on my 1070PBZ. Makes a huge difference! ;)
In my opinion what matters is the quality and the build of Guitars. I don’t think i can say one is better than the other. Well Kiesels do great fret work, the fit and finish is excellent. But in kiesel, is it kinda like a thing that when they say “thinner neck” option, its not as thin as they say? It really comes down to what your preference is. You can't go wrong with either. Both sounds awesome to me 🤙🏻
My vanquish has a pretty damn thin neck. It's not Ibanez prestige thin or Jackson thin but those are way too slim for the average player it seems in the first place. So it kind of meet somewhere in the middle
One caveat about the cheaper stamped tremolos. With hard use, the knife edges will quickly get boogered up, and they can't be replaced like the inserts in the Lo-Pro Edge. You would need to replace both the posts, and the entire tremolos stamping.
Exactly. And another stupid thing Ibanez did here was to make the edge zero II non interchangeable with OFR or any other Edge bridge, so you can't even upgrade it without removing the bridge mounting posts, filling the holes, drilling new ones with the correct spacing...
I just bought my first Kiesel and it's such a solid guitar and I really like the neck. I've only had it about two weeks but it's so good I have a hard time getting into playing any of my other guitars. One thing I noticed that makes a huge difference is how on this string-through- body CT6 the Tune-o-matic style bridge has been recessed some into the guitar body and it allows the strings to be that much closer to the body and it's just easier overall to play.
yeah the flutters, I think the bar is to loose. Back to my Jiva story I posted earlier. Because the collar is on so tight, it does flutter, only problem is, is the arm is tight so it stays in whatever position you put it in, moving it on the fly is not as smooth as I'd like it to be. But if you have it back, it'll flutter all day like my original Edge. My biggest issue w/ the zero 2 are the insert blocks, their super narrow where you put the string in and you have to line it up just perfectly when tightening it, my 3rd string G really has a hard time locking down in it. But like I said since my collar of the bar is so tight, it does flutter for days.. I guess this comparison would really come down to "feel" since they both have Fishmans that sound pretty similar to me.
I have the same model. I had removed the ZPS. The stability is fine, just that the bridge feeling is not as smooth as Edge bridge. My only complain is the weight. It's heavy.
Thank you mate, appreciate it. No doubt I could probably get used to playing that riff on the Ibanez. But that was a raw straight up reaction, trying to play that riff on that guitar.
I have the green (Aqua) gradiation, the neck is unusually large for me considering I've owned quite a number of Ibanez.Having said that I wouldn't swap the Dimarzios for Fishmans.
Carvin guitars really do have their own "thing" going on, got a fair few humbucker filled guitars and my old 90's Carvin neck thru makes a noise completely of it's own
Used to have a lefty purple Ibanez RG back in the day that one along with a charvel it’s one of two guitars I should’ve kept, that’s a sweet red RG you have there do yourself a favor keep keep it even though you have those awesome kiesls in your collection
The S Prestiege has the best tremolo, the edge zero. I own apppx 15 s prestige models starting from the turn of the century. The Wizard 3 neck if my favorite, own a few Satriani models and some Vai models as wellf. The next signature I nwant to try is the Nita Strauss model. Will definately be purchasing a few of them.
Late to the party but you can take out the stabilizer, put a full size block on, and just run 2 normal springs. I did that on my Premium and it made a world of difference. The route is too shallow for a normal claw so you have to use the sideways claw already in there but it works, plus a full size brass block makes the guitar better all around. A little bit of work but I reallllly hated the ZPS system.
That riff that the RG didn't like is really, really lovely!! I sure hope that's a new song in the works. I recently got another Ibanez as a project guitar, and I believe that it has the same bridge as the one you have here... I read that if the bridge has a number assigned to it, that it's on the "lower end" (ie. Edge 3). 🤷♀ 🤷♂ 🤷
Remove the small stabilizer springs and the block and you have the fluuute for that tremolo, i have the same system, that springs just make the system more stabile. And you will get ton of sustain aswell like that. Cheers
I had the RG7PCMLTD, but I just couldn't jive with the stock Dimarzios it had (all mids) and I really don't like the bridge on these guys. I'd rather have the low-pro edge. For the price it was hard to beat, because it was so out of spec for Ibanez! Incredible 11 piece neck, stainless steel frets, tri color fade...all things I wish would come out of the prestige line. I sold the guitar, which I kind of regret. I could have lived with the bridge and just swapped the pickups. Live and learn.
I have that same guitar. I agree the bridge isn't the best compared to an Edge. I also ended up swapping out the pickups for a set of Dimarzio Blaze pickups and wow what a difference. I have no idea why they chose to put the Dimarzio PAF pickups in that guitar. I would've expected them to put in a Tone Zone and Norton to match the 6 string version but no they put in the weakest 7 string pickups that Dimarzio makes.
Your RG6 sounds fantastic and great!👍.It only proves that "more expensive does not mean better." I only wish my Ibanez'es would flutter just like yours. Any tips on how to make the floyd rose flutter?, do I need to replace the block with a heavier one, coz none of my Floyd Rose flutter which is sad.😪
My ancient RG has an Edge Pro II, and it's also a no-go for flutters... took awhile to realize it wasn't me for lack of trying. I LOVE my RG, but I wish I had a bridge that was more conducive to whammy nonsense.
tip for flutters with the ibanez trems, take the stabilizing springs off (not to be confused with the normal trem springs). They exist to make tuning easier but they make flutters not work properly. I think it will help with the articulation issues your describing too .... I've recently had my ibanez prestige modified to house a floyd rose original and its much better. little bit of routing required so will need a luthier.
Well for the price imo the Ibanez gio models are great guitar's. I have the grx40 and for under 200 bucks you can't go wrong. Yer they may need a little set up, but you get what you pay for.
Maybe that riff was harder to play on the RG because it had a different neck and nut width as well as neck thickness or thinness of the Keisel. Do you have the comparison numbers available?
The observation & comment about the Fret spacing was interesting and the impact it had on playing the lick. I think I assumed it was a standard spacing across guitars! 🤪🤷♂️
I have a question about Neural Plug-ins. Do you need proper studio monitors/speakers for it to sound good? When you're playing out-loud in the studio does it sound as good coming out of your studio speakers as it does in this video? I have Archetype Petrucci, and when I first got it I noticed the sound wasn't really the same quality that I'd been hearing in the TH-cam Reviews. It sounds decent when coming out my MacBook speakers, and ok when through my £100 Bose Companion 2 speakers. But no where near as good as the Plug ins sound on other TH-cam reviews.
Clearly the Ibanez is a much brighter guitar but you have different pickups in them. It also doesn’t matter because Thomas you’ve drenched your tone in effects and we can’t really hear the guitar at all. I believe the fretboard radii is ever so slightly flatter on the Kiesel so it’s easier to play that big stretch chord. String spacing too, should be narrower on the Kiesel.
This is my normal stream rig tones, it’s not meant to be a super scientific test. Totally try etc. Just a quick head to head at the end of the about the RG guitar 👍🏻
It depends. If they’re from the US they’ve mostly likely came from the LACS. But a bunch of mine came from the UK, which doesn’t really set them up before shipping. 👍🏻
According to the title I expected a comparison video between the RG premium and the RG Prestige. Anyhow, for some reason maple fretboards make the guitar growl more.
Ooooof that’s a combo effect that I made in Ableton. Lots of behind the scenes videos for channel members covering all of the outright geek fest of a guitar rig lol. Cheers!
It sounds too bright to me? And I hate the Ibanez trems. I have an original late 80's RG550, and I always hated the way the trem felt, and the fact that the arm just kept dropping down, no matter how many new bushings I put in. It's got a Schaller trem now, and it not only feels much better, it sounds amazing! It sounded like a really bright Strat better, now it sounds like a monster! I've shown it on my TH-cam channel.
That’s true, we did this for a little while. But honestly, I by then I got used to treating it almost like a hardtail which I kinda liked. Thanks for the comment dude.
You have a lot of guitars, my friend, I also like to play guitar, it's a shame I can't afford to buy a guitar 🥲 Greetings from Indonesia, always success for you, friend 🖐️
I'm in love with the LTD, but I want a blue one. I've watched every vid I could of it & it's really snappy with the stock DiMarzios. That's the Ash. The Wenge to my ears sounds like RW & with the Ash it just has a great snappy 80s tone. Both guitars sounded the same, but those Fishmans changed the tone on the LTD. They sound good, but it took the snappiness away. Neck shape does matter & it's all personal preference. I have an EGEN8 & it's very close to my old Jem. The EG has a Wizard III The LTD is 1mm thinner, so I'll have to play it to see if I can cope with it. The nut is still 43mm & I don't like anything narrower.
I bought an RG Premium on sale a couple years back...25% off, which is practically unheard of, where I'm from. But I wound up taking it back. I felt conflicted on the tone. I felt it was too polished, and "hi fi", where I really like the grungy, raw sound from Gibsons.. As well as it could do lead, It couldn't do rhythm. I had never really had any superstrats before. I've since gotten a Charvel DK24, which doesn't have that "hi fi" thing I didn't like. It's voice is a bit more raw. A clear, scream, rather than a sanitized hi-fi laser point.. But....with all things guitar..I got post return regret... And whenever I'm reminded of it...like here today, I kinda kick myself. On its pro side, it had SOOO much going for it! The 11 piece neck (same as that one), the stainless steel frets (like glass)...even the inlays...proper mother of pearl. Too many awesome features to mention... Yeah...lll be replacing that RG someday soon!! I have come to realise that every guitar I own need not "define me as an artist". For one...I'm not really an artist! Certainly not a pro artist! And two...I'm allowed to have a range of instruments I like for different things... I thought the tone was too "1980's"...."Days of Thunder"...and perhaps it was... Idk anymore... It's forever doomed to be a case of either post purchase dissonance.....or post return regret... 🤷 One thing I can't deny, though, is that Ibanez Premium was the highest quality instrument I have ever owned. 😥
>>> 🏆 OK and Thank you for this demo, much appreciated, Thomas ! IMO, Over-All... The one guitar that sounded, well-rounded was...and I am surprised to say it, The Kiesel had a more satisfying mid-warmth too it, than the Ibanez voiced ( The Ibanez trem is a different issue or flaw, that just doesn't cut-it...OMG that was sad ) I feel that the Kiesel is the better choice over-all, with a versatile ability that the Ibanez didn't express, leaving the Kiesel alone to claim it's Winner's Badge, in this battle! However, your final comparison of the two could have gone both ways for me, and that would depend on what a piece of music called for and either one them could be a qualifying candidate.... Thanks again.. Thomas - Cheers
I like the color of the RG (or colour as you say i the UK), also the 11 piece neck looks nice. But the RG whammy and flutter sucked, so my vote goes to the Kiesel DC600
I totally get what youre saying. That era from 2012 to 2017 wasnt really the best for ibanez. The prestige series came with a little bit of issues, and the premium series came with a bang. BTW just remove the extra bar of the Zero Point System and its gonna be fine. The Edge Zero is as good as a 1000 series Floyd Rose even without the ZPS. Altho it is a good bridge, fortunatelly the premium and prestige are getting the original edge and the lo pro edge, basically the best 2 bridges ever made.
I just got a Prestige 652 AHM with the original edge and its great lots of Floyd Rose guitars here and something about this Ibanez Prestige guitar and tremelo setup I really like. Love that Ibanez color of Red here.
He hasn't been able to test the Neural DSP Quad Cortex yet, but I get the impression that it doesn't respect the sound of the guitar at all. I think there should be a lot more difference in sound between the two guitars. It's what I like most about Boss GT1000. The same preset with two different guitars are two completely different worlds and with neural the difference is barely noticeable.
If you had a guitar made out of a cowpat body, horse manure neck and a smeared dog shit fretboard…Mcrocklin will still make it sound amazing as always ❤️
This Ibanez is one of the most beautiful guitaras I ever seen, and Im not even a fan of Ibanez. Your pick finger switch technique is amzing. The only thing I didnt liked much in sound was the delay, too much for me
Love the PASSION! The Kiesel is sweeter. My 1990 Carvin is still the best axe I have, with the best tone. I'm having it refretted now. I put Carvin M22T pups on all of my guitars.
Say what you will about Ibanez, but they are top tier for me. Even the cheaper models are fantastic. I have an S series that I got in a pawn shop for two hundred bucks (with a hard case). I wouldn't sell or trade this guitar for much of anything, just love it to death. 😎😁🥰🤩
I think that the Kiesel seems to have a smoother clean tone. Distorted they seem to sound really similar to me. I’m thinking that the Ibanez just slightly falls a little short.
Also, if you want to get the flutters back, you have to remove the additional stabilizer bar, which is unique to this trem. That additional stop bar allows you to do double stop bends without having to bend both strings to compensate.
Exactly. I did that to mine and it will flutter for days. Easy to do and this is as good as the original edge bridge... IMHO of course.
no, no. He had his "tech" look at it. hahahaha
@@JoeyRapps1 I know. I was surprised by that😣
Had to do this to my RG. Even then it’s better but still not my favorite bridge
Was literally going to say the same thing, it was the first thing that came off my RG2550 (however I think that has a slightly different bridge), torque up the whammy bar screw up and it’s solid fluttery fluffness!
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If you remove the Stop Bar and the two Springs holding the Stop Bar holding the block at its 0 point the bridge will become floating and you can flutter
Agree, just remove the ZPS posts and it’ll flutter until tomorrow. That affects the tuning stability slightly so it’s a trade off.
😂 really? Are you a genius?
@@MrJackal43
😆😆😅 he could be, imagine a floating bridge!! Who would of thought.
I really like the Ibanez. I’ve been playing the JS series almost exclusively for the past 10 years so I really miss my RG’s. This makes me want to put a few of them back in the hot rack.
Yea I love my Ibanez I have an rg550 genesis and it’s amazing but I really want to try out a js!
@@loukas2711 I have an old RG560 from 1991 I think and I played the crap outta that think back in the day. I retired it because somebody tripped on the cord dragging it off the stand ultimately breaking the headstock right where they all break where the locknut screws go thru the neck.
You’ll really like the JS models. I have three so far. I just ordered the JS2480MCR with Sustainiac. I’ve never had built-in Sustainiac before. It should be here in about 5 more days so I’m pretty dang excited.
@@GeorgeBonez oh that rg sounds amazing I’m sorry to hear about that neck man😢 I remember hearing about the old necks breaking because they were so thin and the screws on the back creating a weak point but the new genesis has that 5 piece neck so it’s a bit stronger now which is good and It’s still great that they make the rg550s in Japan too!
Those js guitars you have sound amazing though I really do wish that I could play one. I might go to Andertons soon so I might play one there because I got my rg550 off there and there was a js there but i was stupid and I didn’t ask if o could play it😭 but I do know I’m not getting a new guitar anytime soon i can’t make the money to get a guitar like a js because im 15 and I saved for 2 years to get the rg550 alone
Thomas...There's a stabalizer bar and 2 springs in that bridge cavity that if you remove it , it will definitly free up that trem! Same one I have on my 1070PBZ. Makes a huge difference! ;)
Cheers!
In my opinion what matters is the quality and the build of Guitars.
I don’t think i can say one is better than the other. Well Kiesels do great fret work, the fit and finish is excellent.
But in kiesel, is it kinda like a thing that when they say “thinner neck” option, its not as thin as they say?
It really comes down to what your preference is. You can't go wrong with either.
Both sounds awesome to me 🤙🏻
Yeah Kiesel’s thin profile isn’t quite Ibanez thin, but it’s perfect for me. It’s a great shape neck that works for riffs, shred and chord work.
My vanquish has a pretty damn thin neck. It's not Ibanez prestige thin or Jackson thin but those are way too slim for the average player it seems in the first place. So it kind of meet somewhere in the middle
One caveat about the cheaper stamped tremolos. With hard use, the knife edges will quickly get boogered up, and they can't be replaced like the inserts in the Lo-Pro Edge. You would need to replace both the posts, and the entire tremolos stamping.
Exactly. And another stupid thing Ibanez did here was to make the edge zero II non interchangeable with OFR or any other Edge bridge, so you can't even upgrade it without removing the bridge mounting posts, filling the holes, drilling new ones with the correct spacing...
Keeping you from making it a better , cheaper option.
I just bought my first Kiesel and it's such a solid guitar and I really like the neck. I've only had it about two weeks but it's so good I have a hard time getting into playing any of my other guitars. One thing I noticed that makes a huge difference is how on this string-through- body CT6 the Tune-o-matic style bridge has been recessed some into the guitar body and it allows the strings to be that much closer to the body and it's just easier overall to play.
Nice looking & sounding guitar. I'm considering to buy Ibanez to my next guitar. I had RG270 back in the day over 20 years ago.
sounds great and look perfect, great pickups!
Hey man ! I see amazing ibanez guitar on the your wall ..eheh !
This ibanez prestige model made in Japan is top ! 🤘🔝
yeah the flutters, I think the bar is to loose. Back to my Jiva story I posted earlier. Because the collar is on so tight, it does flutter, only problem is, is the arm is tight so it stays in whatever position you put it in, moving it on the fly is not as smooth as I'd like it to be. But if you have it back, it'll flutter all day like my original Edge. My biggest issue w/ the zero 2 are the insert blocks, their super narrow where you put the string in and you have to line it up just perfectly when tightening it, my 3rd string G really has a hard time locking down in it. But like I said since my collar of the bar is so tight, it does flutter for days.. I guess this comparison would really come down to "feel" since they both have Fishmans that sound pretty similar to me.
I have the same model. I had removed the ZPS. The stability is fine, just that the bridge feeling is not as smooth as Edge bridge. My only complain is the weight. It's heavy.
I also appreciate the transparency you show in some of these videos ie, having trouble playing that riff on the Ibanez.
Thank you mate, appreciate it.
No doubt I could probably get used to playing that riff on the Ibanez. But that was a raw straight up reaction, trying to play that riff on that guitar.
I have the green (Aqua) gradiation, the neck is unusually large for me considering I've owned quite a number of Ibanez.Having said that I wouldn't swap the Dimarzios for Fishmans.
Me neither DIMARZIO is awesome
Carvin guitars really do have their own "thing" going on, got a fair few humbucker filled guitars and my old 90's Carvin neck thru makes a noise completely of it's own
Love the look of the Ibanez but the Kiesel sounded just a bit warmer. 🤘✌️
Edge Zero 2 is one of the best trems in the ibanez lineup. You can modify it to flutter like the original edge or you'd want your trem to be stable af
Dude I’ve just seen your playing & it’s phenomenal. Remind me of supercharged Greg Howe in your own style. Great Playing holy shit!!!🤘
Hey, thank you! Appreciate it :)
Looks and sounds great! Love that colour! 🔥🎸🎸🎸
Cheers!
Used to have a lefty purple Ibanez RG back in the day that one along with a charvel it’s one of two guitars I should’ve kept, that’s a sweet red RG you have there do yourself a favor keep keep it even though you have those awesome kiesls in your collection
I bought a first year RG last year and it is a fantastic guitar.
I don't know if its just me but it seems those pickups in the RG bring better life to the music. It just seems more full and brighter.
The S Prestiege has the best tremolo, the edge zero. I own apppx 15 s prestige models starting from the turn of the century. The Wizard 3 neck if my favorite, own a few Satriani models and some Vai models as wellf. The next signature I nwant to try is the Nita Strauss model. Will definately be purchasing a few of them.
are the S prestiges extremely thin? I'm looking for a guitar that's most comfortable to play sitting down, and S series guitars are high on the list
Late to the party but you can take out the stabilizer, put a full size block on, and just run 2 normal springs. I did that on my Premium and it made a world of difference. The route is too shallow for a normal claw so you have to use the sideways claw already in there but it works, plus a full size brass block makes the guitar better all around. A little bit of work but I reallllly hated the ZPS system.
Cheers Tommy!
the only thing im jealous about is the maple fretboards sad the j custom doenst get that
I preferred the KIESEL DC600 for its smoother tone
That riff that the RG didn't like is really, really lovely!! I sure hope that's a new song in the works. I recently got another Ibanez as a project guitar, and I believe that it has the same bridge as the one you have here... I read that if the bridge has a number assigned to it, that it's on the "lower end" (ie. Edge 3). 🤷♀ 🤷♂ 🤷
Thanks mate, it’s actually it a bad bridge. Just had to be used slightly differently, but you could always remove the outer stabilising stuff
Thats generally true, edge and lo pro are the highest end
@@larsheuker Awesome, thank you!
Both really cool guitars, nice one! 😇🤘
That lick around the 6:30 mark is absolutely sick. I need tabs
Sounds great!
Remove the small stabilizer springs and the block and you have the fluuute for that tremolo, i have the same system, that springs just make the system more stabile. And you will get ton of sustain aswell like that. Cheers
Cheers!
I had the RG7PCMLTD, but I just couldn't jive with the stock Dimarzios it had (all mids) and I really don't like the bridge on these guys. I'd rather have the low-pro edge. For the price it was hard to beat, because it was so out of spec for Ibanez! Incredible 11 piece neck, stainless steel frets, tri color fade...all things I wish would come out of the prestige line.
I sold the guitar, which I kind of regret. I could have lived with the bridge and just swapped the pickups. Live and learn.
I have that same guitar. I agree the bridge isn't the best compared to an Edge. I also ended up swapping out the pickups for a set of Dimarzio Blaze pickups and wow what a difference. I have no idea why they chose to put the Dimarzio PAF pickups in that guitar. I would've expected them to put in a Tone Zone and Norton to match the 6 string version but no they put in the weakest 7 string pickups that Dimarzio makes.
Your RG6 sounds fantastic and great!👍.It only proves that "more expensive does not mean better." I only wish my Ibanez'es would flutter just like yours.
Any tips on how to make the floyd rose flutter?, do I need to replace the block with a heavier one, coz none of my Floyd Rose flutter which is sad.😪
Thanks mate. It’s usually about getting the perfect floating point for the trem. You can also check out alternative springs, like the FU ones 👍🏻
@@McRocklin Thanks mate! :) will try that one.👍 Cheers!
The RG is fine but the top end seems a tad more fizzy from my sonic vantage...
Dude, I love that guitar! How many watts is it? Is it true bypass? asking for a friend
1 million gigawats.
My ancient RG has an Edge Pro II, and it's also a no-go for flutters... took awhile to realize it wasn't me for lack of trying. I LOVE my RG, but I wish I had a bridge that was more conducive to whammy nonsense.
Try a Gotoh GE1996T
get a gotoh for it..
I only buy hardtail RG’s the japanese 7621 rules, so does the 321 mahogany
@@Ottophil If I could turn back time I’d have gotten a hard tail… floating bridges are Satan’s work.
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tip for flutters with the ibanez trems, take the stabilizing springs off (not to be confused with the normal trem springs). They exist to make tuning easier but they make flutters not work properly. I think it will help with the articulation issues your describing too .... I've recently had my ibanez prestige modified to house a floyd rose original and its much better. little bit of routing required so will need a luthier.
Well for the price imo the Ibanez gio models are great guitar's. I have the grx40 and for under 200 bucks you can't go wrong. Yer they may need a little set up, but you get what you pay for.
Maybe that riff was harder to play on the RG because it had a different neck and nut width as well as neck thickness or thinness of the Keisel. Do you have the comparison numbers available?
Your riff at the last segment when you compared the neck and split pickups. Amazing, is that on your EP? Literally made my skin chill brotha 🤙🏼
Thank you! Yeah I think that was the ‘New Beginnings’ lick. The previous one was from All I Want is You, by McRocklin and Hutch 👍🏻 cheers!
@@McRocklin thank you sir, suggestion: would love to hear how an American strat would sound on some of these riffs 🙏🏼
The observation & comment about the Fret spacing was interesting and the impact it had on playing the lick. I think I assumed it was a standard spacing across guitars! 🤪🤷♂️
carvin used a 25" scale for years, not sure if they still do, ibanez rg's are typically 25.5" scale
😄 Smiley ! Great comment. You wouldn't be alone in thinking that.. (standard spacing) Cheers
@@kdg-music Hey buddy!! 🤪
Sounds great! Crisp / Bright. I may break out my mid-90's RG470 and punch it up / bring it back to life.
nice work bro
I have a question about Neural Plug-ins. Do you need proper studio monitors/speakers for it to sound good? When you're playing out-loud in the studio does it sound as good coming out of your studio speakers as it does in this video? I have Archetype Petrucci, and when I first got it I noticed the sound wasn't really the same quality that I'd been hearing in the TH-cam Reviews. It sounds decent when coming out my MacBook speakers, and ok when through my £100 Bose Companion 2 speakers. But no where near as good as the Plug ins sound on other TH-cam reviews.
Well, potentially it sounds even better in my room as I’m using £3000 worth of studio monitors 🤓
That's an awesome trem system. You can adjust it for all the flutter in world. One of the best.
How the heck did you make the sound at 0:21
Sir, i want to learn full riff of the 8:07 cant i ?,. Its a beautiful melody i think,.
Clearly the Ibanez is a much brighter guitar but you have different pickups in them. It also doesn’t matter because Thomas you’ve drenched your tone in effects and we can’t really hear the guitar at all. I believe the fretboard radii is ever so slightly flatter on the Kiesel so it’s easier to play that big stretch chord. String spacing too, should be narrower on the Kiesel.
This is my normal stream rig tones, it’s not meant to be a super scientific test.
Totally try etc.
Just a quick head to head at the end of the about the RG guitar 👍🏻
Wow Rock! The red is 😍😍😍 and the Nexk OMG!!!! 😍😍😍 I love ibanez.... maybe someday we can know all your ibanez guitars???
Of course, there’s a gear discussion channel on www.mcrocklin.com/discord
Feel free to join us.
Very cool, as always.👍
When Ibanez sends you guitars to try out....are they custom shop quality? or your tech has to work on them?
It depends. If they’re from the US they’ve mostly likely came from the LACS. But a bunch of mine came from the UK, which doesn’t really set them up before shipping. 👍🏻
@@McRocklin My experience exactly. $1500+ for the Prestige + the obligatory luthier fee :))) How about the Kiesel? Nicely set from the factory?
According to the title I expected a comparison video between the RG premium and the RG Prestige.
Anyhow, for some reason maple fretboards make the guitar growl more.
I had 2002 Presitge RG2120XTB I took out the piezo and Put in a Fernandez Sustainer. It was such a beast!! Sadly had to sell it.
Awwww never mind mate.
I have a Premium RG920 and I had red whole trem system removed and an Gotoh 1996T installed by Paul Nieto's Guitar Teck NYC
that guitar is workhorse
This guitar is such a beauty! I'm searching for an exemplar a long time now. Could you imagine to sell it?
Nah, I don’t sell any guitars unfortunately
Nice color.
thx´s so much
Very nice guitar. Sounds awesome. I love ibanez. I have others but inanez is the ones I play the most!!!!!!
Looks sick! This is Hellhanmer1349 btw 💪
Would have been great to say which bridge that is- edge II , the Zero or….?
0:21 What pedal that you use on that minute??
Ooooof that’s a combo effect that I made in Ableton. Lots of behind the scenes videos for channel members covering all of the outright geek fest of a guitar rig lol. Cheers!
Desert island guitar: Ibanez RG (yes with a Floyd)
Same, but hardtail
@@Ottophil respectable if you're drop tuning/changing tunings a lot :)
It sounds too bright to me? And I hate the Ibanez trems. I have an original late 80's RG550, and I always hated the way the trem felt, and the fact that the arm just kept dropping down, no matter how many new bushings I put in. It's got a Schaller trem now, and it not only feels much better, it sounds amazing! It sounded like a really bright Strat better, now it sounds like a monster! I've shown it on my TH-cam channel.
Brightness might be more to do with you not liking my tone. I haven’t tried one of those trems in a while, heard good things though. Cheers!
Given enough distortion, reverb and delay, they all have a tendency to sound great, right?
Not so much, too much distortion isn’t good.
That Ibanez trem would bug me a bit but otherwise, looks like an excellent axe!
The zr type tremolo has more tuning stability. The downside is no flutter
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The pcmltd i owned needed the nut slot to be filed down to get really comfortable action. Great specs just not awesome final assembly.
That’s a shame.
I just rip out the Zero Point system form my Ibanez guitars and then the tremolo just works like a normal floating bridge.
That’s true, we did this for a little while. But honestly, I by then I got used to treating it almost like a hardtail which I kinda liked. Thanks for the comment dude.
You have a lot of guitars, my friend, I also like to play guitar, it's a shame I can't afford to buy a guitar 🥲 Greetings from Indonesia, always success for you, friend 🖐️
I'm in love with the LTD, but I want a blue one. I've watched every vid I could of it & it's really snappy with the stock DiMarzios. That's the Ash. The Wenge to my ears sounds like RW & with the Ash it just has a great snappy 80s tone. Both guitars sounded the same, but those Fishmans changed the tone on the LTD. They sound good, but it took the snappiness away.
Neck shape does matter & it's all personal preference. I have an EGEN8 & it's very close to my old Jem. The EG has a Wizard III The LTD is 1mm thinner, so I'll have to play it to see if I can cope with it. The nut is still 43mm & I don't like anything narrower.
Cool guitar!
I bought an RG Premium on sale a couple years back...25% off, which is practically unheard of, where I'm from.
But I wound up taking it back.
I felt conflicted on the tone. I felt it was too polished, and "hi fi", where I really like the grungy, raw sound from Gibsons..
As well as it could do lead, It couldn't do rhythm.
I had never really had any superstrats before.
I've since gotten a Charvel DK24, which doesn't have that "hi fi" thing I didn't like. It's voice is a bit more raw. A clear, scream, rather than a sanitized hi-fi laser point..
But....with all things guitar..I got post return regret...
And whenever I'm reminded of it...like here today, I kinda kick myself.
On its pro side, it had SOOO much going for it!
The 11 piece neck (same as that one), the stainless steel frets (like glass)...even the inlays...proper mother of pearl.
Too many awesome features to mention...
Yeah...lll be replacing that RG someday soon!!
I have come to realise that every guitar I own need not "define me as an artist".
For one...I'm not really an artist! Certainly not a pro artist!
And two...I'm allowed to have a range of instruments I like for different things...
I thought the tone was too "1980's"...."Days of Thunder"...and perhaps it was... Idk anymore...
It's forever doomed to be a case of either post purchase dissonance.....or post return regret... 🤷
One thing I can't deny, though, is that Ibanez Premium was the highest quality instrument I have ever owned. 😥
Hard choice 👌 Love ❤️ the color on the Ibanez, but that DC600 THO 👀🦄🧨💯🤘🤘
With you mate, I’m with you
>>> 🏆 OK and Thank you for this demo, much appreciated, Thomas ! IMO, Over-All... The one guitar that sounded, well-rounded was...and I am surprised to say it, The Kiesel had a more satisfying mid-warmth too it, than the Ibanez voiced ( The Ibanez trem is a different issue or flaw, that just doesn't cut-it...OMG that was sad ) I feel that the Kiesel is the better choice over-all, with a versatile ability that the Ibanez didn't express, leaving the Kiesel alone to claim it's Winner's Badge, in this battle! However, your final comparison of the two could have gone both ways for me, and that would depend on what a piece of music called for and either one them could be a qualifying candidate.... Thanks again.. Thomas - Cheers
Awesome comment!! Thanks Karl!!!
I like the color of the RG (or colour as you say i the UK), also the 11 piece neck looks nice. But the RG whammy and flutter sucked, so my vote goes to the Kiesel DC600
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I totally get what youre saying. That era from 2012 to 2017 wasnt really the best for ibanez. The prestige series came with a little bit of issues, and the premium series came with a bang.
BTW just remove the extra bar of the Zero Point System and its gonna be fine. The Edge Zero is as good as a 1000 series Floyd Rose even without the ZPS.
Altho it is a good bridge, fortunatelly the premium and prestige are getting the original edge and the lo pro edge, basically the best 2 bridges ever made.
I just got a Prestige 652 AHM with the original edge and its great lots of Floyd Rose guitars here and something about this Ibanez Prestige guitar and tremelo setup I really like. Love that Ibanez color of Red here.
Che sigla o modello e’ di Rg ? ciao
I feel checky asking this but I have a 555jembk . Neck is broken an I can't find a new one can you help me
RG was better on clean but that kiesel sustains like a beast
Yeah to be fair the DC is a neck through, bloody great guitar as is the RG in many ways.
He hasn't been able to test the Neural DSP Quad Cortex yet, but I get the impression that it doesn't respect the sound of the guitar at all. I think there should be a lot more difference in sound between the two guitars. It's what I like most about Boss GT1000. The same preset with two different guitars are two completely different worlds and with neural the difference is barely noticeable.
Epiphone Les Poul Muse it so much easier to remember, & what is the point of All the Letters & numbers on Many different types of guitars.
This is true! 😜
@@McRocklin i understand that 💯 % is Copyright law that is probably just the reason for all the Letters to number. I like it 👌
If you had a guitar made out of a cowpat body, horse manure neck and a smeared dog shit fretboard…Mcrocklin will still make it sound amazing as always ❤️
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The flutters sounded like a horse flapping its lips 😂 for real though this is a cool guitar. Sounds awesome. Great review buddy!
😆 Love that analogy! Thanks!
how about this guitar material? it's same as japan original ibanez?
It’s slightly different just because it’s a different series/model.
@@McRocklin if the material is different, the sound will also different, as i know guitar body and neck wooden is important
This Ibanez is one of the most beautiful guitaras I ever seen, and Im not even a fan of Ibanez.
Your pick finger switch technique is amzing.
The only thing I didnt liked much in sound was the delay, too much for me
Thank you buddy. :)
I love the red on that RG!
For sure
Love it!!!!
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Love the PASSION! The Kiesel is sweeter. My 1990 Carvin is still the best axe I have, with the best tone. I'm having it refretted now. I put Carvin M22T pups on all of my guitars.
The Kiesel guitar is sick!
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It has that trem stabilizer system Ibby puts on some models. You can take it off, I think, and flutter yo booty off. Rock!
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What is the price for this guitar?
Around £1100 I think.
Say what you will about Ibanez, but they are top tier for me. Even the cheaper models are fantastic. I have an S series that I got in a pawn shop for two hundred bucks (with a hard case). I wouldn't sell or trade this guitar for much of anything, just love it to death. 😎😁🥰🤩
Great brand for sure. No doubt.
I think that the Kiesel seems to have a smoother clean tone. Distorted they seem to sound really similar to me. I’m thinking that the Ibanez just slightly falls a little short.
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I like ibanez guitars but the kiesil kicked major butt and just with two pickups. Kiesil awesome!!!!!
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Maybe you can part with this one
Fine line between demonstrating and showing off a guitar...and just plain showing off. ;)
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It’s a shame about the trem on the ibanez, such a nice guitar
What model is that ibanez
RG6
Spongy, tight and very clear 🤩If you decide to sell that Ibanez let me know 😉 I'm kidding, or am I?
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