Pokémon Diamond and Pearl (Nintendo DS) - Retro Game Review - Tamashii Hiroka
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Today Tamashii reviews Pokémon Diamond and Pearl for the Nintendo DS, games she's notorious for hating but recently had a change of mind about. Did Pokemon Platinum salvage the generation? How do they stack up when compared to past Pokemon games like Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire and present day games like X &Y and Pokemon Sun and Moon?
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Man. You know you're old when Pokemon DP is a freakin RETRO review.
Shaneoblack Holy shit
no
Holy shit tell me about it. The first five minutes of the video explain perfectly why there's such a divide in pokemon fans; i didn't realize half the base started on DP... when i finished high school hahaha
Dude playing this game nearly 12 years ago says something
shaneoblack Oh man right? I still remember when I first got it, and I'm only 28.
Basically what Tamashii is trying to say is that if you want a Sinnoh game then get Platinum
The thing that kind of annoys me is how whenever people defend Ruby and Sapphire they ALWAYS bring up Emerald and the much needed upgrades it brought but when talking about how they dislike diamond/pearl they don’t bring up how all those issues are subtly fixed in Platinum
That is why I always wait for the third version just like with emerald and I know is not good for the consumer cuz you have to played the next "full experience" version, but it come down to one thing... money😅
I recently played my old copy of platinum which I upgraded from pearl as a kid. I did not remember the pacing being this bad in pearl, and really hope they just remake platinum.
I know, Right? 😊😊
Mega Leaf Blade yes but as she says it’s only a bandaid
The gen 4 remakes should have Bidoof as the only ride Pokemon.
No, make it THE starter
No plz no
But surfing on a magikarp is sooooo ridiculous 😂
my man
Gen 4 Remake Exclusive Mon; Balloon Bidoof
"Flogging this dead pony again just in time for the inevitable remake!"
*four years later...*
It’s funny that in the year you made this comment, BDSP came out lol.
I love how the guy with six Magikarp is put in as a specific plot point. 😩👌
s/o to Marriland ❤️
TamashiiHiroka His ev training guide is the reason Im playing to this day.
One day I hope to emulate him by using my own team of Magikarp in Moon's Battle Spot.
And also that one Cooltrainer from XD Gale of Darkness by having a team of pokemon that all know Self-destruct or Explosion and use only that for the whole battle. Just to make the other guy go "What the fuck? Who does that?"
Hey they had too make the plot look more interesting
Tamashii: Sinnoh as a region is badly designed.
People who live in Hokkaido: Excuse me?
no its not
sammy lorince did you read the comment
This was the last region that really required HMs for navigation. Black and White onward slowly began to recant that kind of gatekeeping in exchange for more convenient forms, such as making HMs only needed for optional areas in Unova and Kalos to the PokeRides in Alola, and finally the Rotom Bike in Galar
Honestly I know the point of hoenn is that half of it is water but water on the GBA is never as interesting as different land environments.
Just because it's based on a real place, doesn't automatically mean it's good design or that it'll work as a map in a video game..
Diamond and Pearl are "retro" games now? Excuse me while I go check into a nursing home.
Name Definition of retro is recent past
Ah, yes, Diamond and Pearl. The games where the Electric Gym leader has 2 electric types and the Fire Elite Four has 2 fire types.
I mean in Platinum he has all Elecric types and they're ALL weake to earthquake and can barely touch a ground type because they didn't give him any coverage for Electric's one glaring weakness, so I genuinely don't believe it when he's like "Life sucks cuz I win all the time and I don't get a challange..." because I swept with a swords dance Gliscor. Dude would've been murdered by Bertha if he attempted the Elite Four like he was going to
Me during the plot analysis
1st Hour: okay
3rd hour: oh man
7th hour: okay got it
20th hour: holy shit really i dont remember Diamond being this long
34th hour: What the fu....
Is that a The Lonely Goomba reference? :3
I felt like my head exploded around the 15th hour.
I don't think I have ever had a playthrough go more than hour 22 when I don't get sidetracked with Contests or trying to find specific pokemon or the optional areas like Iron Island.
Well, I defeated Cynthia in my 25th hour, so...
I wasted time in some occasions, tho
Sword and Shield are not even 20 hours long and feel lacking in more ways than these games
Are we getting to the point where DS and Wii are gonna be considered Retro? Time sure flies
But... but Ubisoft is still making Just Dance games for the Wii :D
Felicia is a really good Mage counter in FE:H
Severa4Life Except Reinhardt
I especially agree with your comments on the layout of the region. Conceptually I really like the idea of Sinnoh; there aren't many regions in Pokémon that utilize a colder climate. I also think the idea of a big, centralizing mountain could've been really neat.
Instead, however, it ends up being super annoying, as you point out. Mt. Coronet is one of the most frustrating sections in any Pokémon game and I always hated traversing it.
I didn't mind Diamond and Pearl as much as you but this review is really well done and I totally get all the places you're coming from.
RadiantChaos I never played gen 4 (I didn't even own a ds which is sad since I grew up with the gen four anime) but when I saw a map of sinnoh I thought to myself "this place is gigantic yet they didn't use most of the space"
RadiantChaos i sooo agree! I agree with all the points of Tamashii!😍😍😍😍😉
EVEN WORST , THE GAME IS FUCKING SET TO FUCK YOU IF YOU DIDN'T CHOOSE DUMB STARAVIA OR LUXRAY! LIKE WHY DOES FANTINA'S MISMAGIUS HAVE MAGICAL LEAF? WHAT OF I WANNA PLAY WITH BIBAREL?😤😤😤😤😤
So because i don't have the conventional combo of staravia x luxray , i have to grind at EVERY GYM! And don't let me talk about the berries!
Also the Touchscreen was not goodely used at all..........
ALTHOUGH Gen 4 reaply helped competitive , connected everyone and was their first game on DS, and it could have been worse, and the graphics are good!😍😍😍😍😍
I am playing Platinum and like Gen 4 , bit it sure has it's flaws, even more cz it was Gamefreak's first experience on the DS!
RadiantChaos :o we got the same character as a profile pic
Raphaël Khoury Wtf man you dont need both of them in diamond/pearl
boomboy b
If you had said, "this is such a giagantic place and yet they didn't you much of the space" it would've rhymed, no real reason for bringing it up, just thought it was neat.
Jeez, Tamashii Hiroka almost never puts out any content lately. What a slacker.
*50 minute long video comes out* Never mind. I said nothing.
I'm so excited to watch this.
Edit: Out of the Pokemon games I've beaten (SoulSilver, Black 2, Yellow, X, and Platinum, in that order, and there are multiple others I've played part of), Platinum is my least favorite, though I still like it. Helping Mira out of Wayward Cave is my least favorite thing I've ever done in a Pokemon game; I just found it really tedious. But the game still has charm.
Edit2: Halfway into the video. This is really good story analysis.
Edit3: Something about hearing Tamashii get angry is satisfying, considering I feel like she's usually holding back a lot. I actually wish all the swears were unbleeped.
Doctor Eggnog 50 MINUTES!? Didnt notice till you said so
Me too
Same
Chicken scratch Same 😂
I'm taken aback just from the cut up footage and logged gameplay.
She Protec She Attac but most importantly She Bac
How does this comment with over 180 likes *including Tamashii* have *NO replies?!!?*
Shakesphere quality my friend.
The Treyceratops idk XD
I like dogs and CHICKEN TASTES REALLY GOOD if its made by someone who knows what they're doing.
are you umbreonerick from Instagram
"Here's the moment you've all been waiting for."
*gets minute long, unskippable ad*
That's the only moment I've been waiting for
This video was definitely worth the wait, amazing job! Pearl is one of the games I played the most as a kid (toss up between that and Ruby) and while it'll always be special to me it is easy to see it through nostalgia glasses. Going back to Sinnoh I do notice that it's far slower than I ever remembered - the surfing speed is unbelievable - And though I've seen a lot of the improvements Platinum made through research, I've never actually played it so I wonder how much it really does improve the experience. I'm glad you mentioned the Pokemon diversity throughout the region because that's one thing that's always bothered me - like it's probably the worst of any Pokemon game ever lol. It's true for me too that the music is honestly one of the biggest highlights of the game - because even if I'm not actually playing the game the music makes me revisit Sinnoh most days haha. Long wall of text aside, thanks for an awesome video! :D
CandyEvie hey Lucy ur awesome I love ur pokemon videos
CandyEvie yeah,i agree it was worth a wait.What is your opionion on diamond and pearl
CandyEvie hi!
Lucy wassup I guess poketubers even go this far to watch others I didn't know Tamashii had connections with anyone
Amen
"In any Pokemon game, they give you a degree of freedom. You can explore the region at your own pace without them holding your hand too much."
I wish this was still true for the new games.
Diamond and Pearl are retro now? I guess this is what it's like to feel old.
Heinrich Agrippa
For sure they are. In my experience (as a predominately retro gamer) the retro community usually feels that anything that is more than a generation old is retro or if it's over a decade old. So the PS2, NDS, GameCube, Xbox, and even Wii are retro. A lot of people think of early PS3 and Xbox 360 as retro. Portables also get labeled as retro quicker as mobile technology jumped so dramatically within the last decade. We went from the NDS/PSP to the Switch, hell even the 3DS/Vita to the Switch was huge. Like the PSP feels retro, though so does the 3DS, especially the early titles.
Compare that to previous jumps, GameBoy/Game Gear/Lynx to the GBA wasn't anywhere near the jump that the NDS to Switch was. GBC was a dumbed down NES and the GBA was a slightly better SNES (but with worse sound). The jump in mobile tech has been real since ~2006/7.
"Tamashiihiroka..." *sips glass*
"I have not heard that name in a long time."
Damn, did I really type this two years ago?
You sure did.
Tamashii uploading is like Christmas
So everytime Tamashii uploads a video you have to see family you don't care about and get asked questions you rather not talk about? Seems tough.
Ugy Boogie 😂
Random Master LOL 😂 XD
ya
Random Master Tamashii is literally Christmas wearing a hat
I got a depression ad while watching this video is TH-cam trying to tell me something?
You know what could fix most, if not all of the problems you have with these games? Remakes. These games need remakes more than any previous games
Platinum was kind of a remake but I know that isn't what you meant. I know they will eventually remake these games and it will for sure fix some problems but I think there will be new problems. I think they will treat you like a 2 year old in the remakes like every Pokemon game from X and Y on wards have. I am probably going to get a little hate for sort of slagging off Sun and Moon but I did like them. Just I think they were way to easy and were no where near as good as most people think. At least to me.
I agree. Black and White were fast paced and the story made sense, they and BW2 felt polished. XY are somewhat bland, SM have extremely strong pros but also massive weakpoints.
I agree with that. But also ORAS was way too simplified, especially for it being a remake of a perfectly fine game. They out right give you a Legendary and it just felt very simple. Sure I liked all the Pokenav stuff and I am not a multiplayer guy but for just the main game, I'd rather play R,S,E.
Eh, with writing skills like that... maybe a 2-year-old's game is warranted. Can't really put in my 2 cents since I burned out on Pokemon after I lost 2 copies of Pokemon X and replayed it a third time. But every game gives you a legendary, it's only really your fault if you kill it. Also, i had a hard time with X's elite 4 because of my team comp; it was crap. Low leveled, lack of good type coverage, and lop-sided exp. Then i learned Barbaracle curb stomps them :x
KRX50 "More than any previous games before", just how???? Must I remember you that by the time we got to the first ds games, the only Johto games were gameboy, all-in-8-bit games ? That is what I call OUTDATED. Diamond and Pearl in comparison are still playable on the actual support, no 8-bit limitations and even have 3D graphics in them. They're far from outdated, just aged a bit.
I think some of you don't realize how much work she did to do this video. A TON of effort was put in this review. Quality over quantity! Besides she has to have a life outside TH-cam also
And making time-stamps in the process, don't forget that.
Holy shit Tamashi this video was incredible. A video essay on Pokémon games is honestly something I wish more people tackled. Your points were well-made and backed up well, and I feel like your confidence in speaking and being onscreen has improved so much over the years. You're doing great work, it's been really cool to see you grow as a content creator, keep it up!
I saw this video for the first time because of the remake announcement.
This and the Fire Red/Leaf Green video showed me that the problems people are having now are very similar to the problems back then.
Let’s Go, like Fire Red, was a tech demo from things to come.
Sword and Shield, like Diamond and Pearl was an awkward first attempt to deal with a dramatic shift in hardware.
The Sword and Shield DLC and Legends are like Platinum and Soul Silver and Black and White, since they show Gamefreak getting better and better at designing for the Switch.
And I’m sure when fans of the 3D era grow up and get more vocal online, those games will get the praise the GBA and DS games do now.
I pretend that Diamond&Pearl never happened. Platinum was the last overall masterpiece after Emerald. Then the rest is Gamefreaking stealing money with double releases of games, i don't care for how good Heartgold& Soulsilver were (despite that i think that Gen 2 is the worst gen of all time) and Black and White 1&2 (the last good gen), Platinum is just one game and has a lot of good things going for it for the price.
I don't know how I even got here but I watched the entire video. The thing that stands out to me the most isn't so much the review or the reasoning. The editing is really good and funny at times- the laughs made me interested in checking out the other vids you have. This seems like it took an extremely long time to not just record all the clips, but cut up and reposition every single clip to line up with the audio. Every aspect of this seemed really difficult to make. Great job.
Lol hi
Wait, these games are considered retro now?
Man, I feel old
Over 10 years old... so yep.
For real, same af xD
Diamond was my third Pokemon game, so I don't have a "first game bias" and I think the reason why I like Sinnoh so much is the Pokemon, and how the whole region is so colorful and the music and style of the game is so memorable. A lot of Sinnoh Pokemon are some of my favorites.
All Usernames Taken route 209 tho 👌
I started with gen 3 but I don't really like much music or anything from gen 4. For some reason I probably likely gen 5 and especially the music from it.
You could literally say that about any Pokemon region. The music is always great and the region's always look great. Well, maybe not always for that one.
The whole atmosphere is just great. We are talking about Super Metroid levels of great. Who doesn't remember the rainy route? I have to admit the music is half of it, but still.
The underground bases is what really sold things to make it my favourite generation. I started with gen 2, then gen 1, gen 3, then this. And it's easily my favourite because online play became a thing back then, but thankfully the series wasn't so bloated at the time.
I love this review,. I do have a soft spot for gen 4, as it was the generation I was introduced to Pokémon in, And even though I like diamond and pearl I can agree they aren’t as godly as 5 year old me thought they were. Thank you for this, even if you don’t do videos in this format after this I’ll still enjoy these videos and the next pieces of content you make.
Diamond and Pearl was the first Pokemon games I ever played. I have loved Pokemon ever since. It's all I ever did. I played and re played that game so many times I lost count. I see where you are coming from. No game is perfect. I agree that the game took forever. I would often get bored because it was taking forever to get anywhere. As much as I love the Diamond and Pearl games, I do agree they were to ambitious.
Actually getting started in the game took forever, I just wanted to earn badges not spend forever trying to speed run the start. Or maybe I'm just really impatient
Love the video!
Wolfie Cat "Love the video" *video hasn't even been out long enough to watch it all yet*
British Chicken so? I had been enjoying it so far.
Wolfie Cat "No game is perfect."
False, Red and Blue are perfect games, that's why they sold so many copies.
I completely agree.
paraGOnal tenDencies "red and blue are perfect games" holy shit you have to be wearing MASSIVE nostalgia glasses to think those glitch-filled, type-broken, battle-broken, (in MANY ways broken) and horribly sprited games are "perfect". lol
I know this game is slow, but honestly, when I was a kid, it took me months, and even a whole year to finish pokemon diamond. And the fact that it was so slow made me feel like the journey I went on was real. A pokemon game shouldn't be something that can be finished in only three days, and that is the problem I have with most of them. (Trust me, I finished pokemon sun in 3 days... And I was really disapointed) Pokemon games are supposed to be a journey, remember ? Not a healthy walk that you go on because you're bored.
Anicée Amet well I’d argue if it took a year to finish a pokemon game, there is something wrong with the games design. I take my time with completing the games, especially when I replay them, and it’ll take me a couple of months to finish them usually.
I do think there is a difference in playing the game as a kid as opposed to do it as a teenager/adult. As a kid we have ALL the time in the world to play the game in a way where it takes a year to finish, when we get older we don’t have that kind of time anymore. I remember being a kid playing Pokémon Silver and doing all of the events and it taking almost a year to finally get to Red. As an adult I can do that in a fraction of that time, it’s not because I rushed through it, it’s because I played it in a way that progressed through the game normally. Sorry you didn’t like Sun, I had my own problems with it. Maybe the next installments will have better pacing and stuff to do that will make the experience enjoyable for both of us.
Just because you took your time playing a game as a kid doesn't mean this game's cripplingly slow pace isn't a negative attribute.
Sure, it's a journey... but... a year is a bit much... no, it's way too much. Sure, if you take a year because of all the extra stuff, that'd be one thing... also, it's HOW it makes you take time. It's like making an anime series longer by adding filler that feels needless. Like, if it's slow because it has a lot of content, then it's one thing, but if it's slow because you are trudging through mud... yah....
But in reality, I bet if there were no roadblocks, the game would take half the time. And the post game still pales in comparison to the length of Gen 2 with Kanto AND Stadium 2.
I guess if you were a kid, it's understandable you took a year... when I was like 4-7 my older brother let me play his copy of Pokémon White 2, and I never even beat Cheren because I didn't even know what levels were. I literally just charged at him and get thrashed by his Patrat using Work Up. When I picked the game up again when I was 11-12, I finally beat him by the hair of my head because I was too lazy to grind my Riolu.
Having been an avid Pokemon fan since Generation 2, I find that I'm a bit of an oddity when it comes to fans of the series when I say that Generation 4 is my favorite generation. It means so much to me, and I have many, many fond memories with Sinnoh, especially. However, I agree with pretty much every point you brought up here. Whilst I may love these games, blind love is just as bad as blind hate, and we must be critical of the things we love as much as we cherish them.
If you read through the comments I wouldn't say you're an oddity :) Gen 4 is also my favorite and I've been playing since Yellow came out.
I need more videos yo 😭, I miss your videos so much!
she's a twitch streamer. go check her out
darkclaydol nobody watches twitch
@@BhgDello999 Bullshit and you know it lol
No one is ganna mention that it took her 3 hours to battle the elite 4?! In what fucking universe?!
Gen 4 is AWSOME for one big reason Bidoof!
Michael Switzer one *THICC* reason
Michael Switzer I think its awesome because of shinx!
bidOOF
Michael Switzer bidoof? Oh you mean HM slave right?
Yeah but that’s pretty much it.
Started with gen 1
Skipped over gen 2 & 3
Got Platnium for my DS lite
Enjoyed the shit out of it
Diamond & Pearl are slow and lack good pokemon variety, I will admit that
Dertrex - I followed a similar route only I just skipped gen 2 and I got back into it after emerald. Pearl was the gen 4 game I played first and then I later got platinum which is def Top 3 Pokemon games of all time
they had less original pokemon because they gave 60 percent of old pokemon new cool evolutions
Dertrex - platinum is a whole lot better than Diamond and pearl.
Dertrex - You skipped third gen!!!
If you think Gen 4 is bad with Pokemon variety you should see Gen 5
Okay before Gym 1 not counting starters you can Have a Grass type, a water type, a fire type, a bug, flying, fighting, rock, ground, electric, psychic and poison type
In gen 5 before gym 1 not counting starters you have Normal and Dark and maybe a Grass/Fire/Water type if you really want the monkey to count
Seriously you have a good 40 Options available by Gym2 while in gen 5 you have literally 8, 9 if you really want to count Audino
I found the ds era to be the best (despite being the era I played about mid way out of the pokemon games) as my faviroute pokemon games are platinum, heart gold and soul silver and both gen 5 games ( black and white and black2 and white2)
Yeah, the mid-late DS era of Pokémon games was the series prime, even the spinoffs like Mystery Dungeon Time/Darkness/Sky and the Rangers games.
There's so much care and content put into each succeeding mainline title. What followed with the underwhelming DP were robust experiences that utilized the DS hardware greatly, although not at its best.
Tamashii put it best when she said single player content took a backseat as online play and connectivity became more prevalent. The later DS titles, especially the Gen 5 games had the best of both worlds, offering side content like Underground Tunneling, Join Avenue and Battle Subway - and later Pokémon World Tournament - that can be played alone or with other people, as well as normal online play.
Nowadays, online features like PSS and Secret Bases in ORAS arguably beatout aspects of multiplayer before with how accessible they are, but I feel the overall singleplayer experience stumbled.
AeroFlash15 Sun/Moon improved the single player experience with the story/relatable characters.
The DS era, has some of my favorite Pokémon games of all time. And just to list the highlights:
Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Blue Rescue Team
Platinum
HeartGold/SoulSilver
Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky
Black/White
Black 2/White 2
They really did an incredibly amazing job, as gen 4 is my favorite generation of Pokémon, followed up by 5, Mystery Dungeon Explorers being my favorite game of all time, Black and White having my favorite story in the main series games (yes, including Sun and Moon), and of course, HeartGold and SoulSilver as well Black and White 2 being some of the biggest main series Pokémon games to date.
+Gera WallStar Gen 5 had a good story and characters too, as well as sizeable side content. Sun and Moon, while excellent with the characters and Pokémon, felt barebones with little to do after completing the main story.
There was nothing really "improved" when both Black and White games and ORAS had reasonably good stories as well.
I agree the gen 4 and 5 games the best. My favorites. But she does still bring good points like everything was fixed in platinum from diamond and pearl.
I started with D&P and when I revisit it, it's SO slow. I remember loving the game, but I simply can't go back.
One of many, many reasons why these games need to be remade. The originals are just no longer good enough.
After 3 years, I finally watched the video. Reason I stayed away from it was because it was so long! But this is one of the best videos ever made
Man, this is bananas. You mentioned five years ago doing videos and made me realize I've been subbed to you for so long I can't really remember a time I didn't occasionally see your videos pop up in my feed.
Keep it up! The haters will find ways to hate no matter what.
Listen.
I love ALL the main Pokemon games. From 1 to 7 gen.
If anyone's got a problem with that, then smell ya later.
Well said!
Zion's World your the hero we need but don't want
gen 5 is the only gen that sucks major ass
Miss Kobe Yoshi Wrong. Best games.
Nope end game was stupid and no other titles to interact with outside the ds console
It pisses me off how Johto get regularly dunked on for putting some of its new Pokémon in the post-game, while Sinnoh in DP did it far worse, not only putting so many of the new evolutions in the post-game but making some even completely unavailable like Tangrowth!
I still can't believe they removed the battle tower from ORAS
LinkinMark1994 and replaced it with a trolling fake statue.
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You hit the nail on the head with how the different generations (of players) experienced D&P differently, Tamashii.
I grew up with the original games, and have played each gen as they came out, and I was very much "meh" about D&P at the time. Granted, there's a lot that goes into that. Not only due to expectations built up from improvements in each previous games, but also due to my age at the time. By that point I was 1̶6̶ (scratch that, I was actually 18; god I feel old...), old enough to where I'd started to develop a certain nostalgia for the younger years of my childhood and the first gen of Pokémon; plus, having played video games for over a decade by then I'd started to get jaded about smaller things in games, like most gamers do after enough time. That combined with the general snark of a teenage mind, and everything about D&P just seemed like it didn't live up to what I was expecting it to be.
Compare that to somebody who played it as their first or second Pokémon, maybe even their first game ever, OF COURSE they are gonna love it. Anybody's first Pokémon experience is gonna be awesome and memorable, because Pokémon at its core is a great concept, especially when you don't have any other Pokémon game to compare to yet. But all of us will always be coloured by when we played these games, and which of them where our first one.
I don't know that she did hit the nail on the head, really. Maybe the people that are super harshly defensive of their D&P love started with them, but I'm not entirely convinced that it's a majority. Fair warning, this post ended up WAY longer than I wanted it to be because I'm too passionate about this gen, lol.
I grew up with the original games as well, and played each gen. I remember waiting excitedly for the release of R&S for the first ever full color pokemon games, really wanting Sapphire version - of course I ended up with Ruby, but hey, I got over it. Hell, I remember waiting excitedly for G&S, and rumors from all the other little 7 year olds like me at the time about the mysterious new pokemon 'pikablue'. Aka, Marill, of course. My favorite game, for the /longest/ time, was silver - I clocked in 500 hours of gameplay on it... the first time. Until I started glitch cloning things and such, and my file was corrupted. Played another 300 hours after that. I remember every little nook and cranny of the game by heart. I have no idea how I had that kind of attention span.
Fast forward into the DS era, and D&P were released.. To 14 year old me, they were somehow so.. mystical. Get ready for a long paragraph of stuff you already know, cus it all just excited me so much;
The idea of the lake guardians and how they interacted with the player (aka the vague lore of them being guardians and such, involved in the plot as a whole, etc) reminded me of what I wished celebi would have been. There was chatot, that I could speak to, and use whatever I said as an attack with! A flower pokemon, cherrim, that bloomed in the sun! Honey you could spread on trees to attract new pokemon. A cute penguin starter that became water and /steel/ type. Pokemon with different colors depending on their gender! Lots of interactable interesting pokemon in the world that WEREN'T legendaries like rotom and spiritomb, /new eeveelutions/ after a whole generation of nothing - don't even get me started on how much I loved the canalave library. The whole darkrai/cresselia dynamic was great to me, there were evolutions to pokemon from the first generation that never felt powerful enough (magmar, electabuzz, etc)... there were cool poketch features to collect /during/ gameplay for the bottom screen (even though you never used them), I could customize my pokeballs personally however I wanted, ribbon collecting became a /must/... Hell, I even loved the underground, and WISH they would've remade it on 3ds JUST to do that with full online capability or streetpass capability. And they made a pokemon GOD, which I've been DYING for them to actually use in a game for real, and a remake would be a fantastic time for it.
Just, I could go on and on. There were so many features that I didn't think about before, that I didn't even know I wanted, that were in these games. With all that said, D&P still didn't beat out Silver, to me... but then Platinum came around. And ooooh boy, do I love platinum. ESPECIALLY giratina's dimension. Platinum felt a bit better, fixed some things, added a bit - and that's my all time favorite game, and has been ever since. I'll admit it's a really, really slow gen, and didn't do some things fantastically - and I see its faults, and understand why most people /don't/ love it... but that's why I want it remade.
I mean, I personally started with Yellow version and yet DP is still my favorite gen
I started with Yellow aswell and I haven't completed any game after Gen 3, yet I have bought every new game when they came out. DP I played till 4th gym, Black 5th, X around 5 aswell and latest, Sun, I played only for 30 minutes just to realize that I don't really care about them. Yet I replay Fire Red every now and then. Soul Silver is great tho and in my opinion the best.
I've been playing for 18 years, and started with Red/Yellow. 4th and 5th gen are my favorites, so I kindly disagree. Excluding Mega-Evolution, I love most of the changes and additions to the series.
I'm about the same age as you (started with Yellow) and I thoroughly enjoyed Diamond/Pearl, though Platinum was definitely better. The changes they added, like the physical/special split and WiFi battling were amazing, and I was able to fully appreciate them since I was older and could see how far the franchise had grown. I did think the regional dex for D/P was pretty bad, but they fixed it in Platinum.
I wish Gamefreak would watch this video so that, when they decide to make the Sinnoh remakes, they'll understand what is is they need to improve upon.
I really don't think they need her help. They're on a freaking roll right now.
Gamefreak had already improved ALOT during these 12 years since Diamond and Pearl. There’s no need for you to say that.
@@burnout713 - Even so, feedback and listening to constructive criticism is still important. It's because of the lack of need to listen to feedback that games like the last two Paper Mario games are notoriously hated.
Besides, not everyone agrees that Game Freak are necessarily "on a freaking roll right now". Sure, they have improved on character design and the graphics end in the last 12+ years, but there are many in the Pokémon community who are finding issues with keeping up with the series now after gen V. Many argue on things like relying way too much on references to other regions (especially Kanto), the lack of more competitive aspects like the Battle Frontier, some of the actual Pokémon designs, the endless unskippable tutorials (despite the fact that the main gameplay essentially has stayed the same for 20 years) and cutscenes, and many more.
Fanboys and fangirls are those who follow something and ignore all of its flaws and defend them no matter what. Fans follow the same thing, but also acknowledge flaws and suggest on what could make them (even) better.
In my opinion, they Sun and Moon are by far the greatest games in the series and Diamond and Pearl are basically at the bottom other than X and Y. I love that the story is more of a focus and that there are cutscenes with extended dialog. I also love the references to Kanto, particularly the concept of the Alolan forms. And I think the newcomers are probably the best overall collection of Pokemon since the original batch. I've been interested in a Switch since its release, but this will be the year I actually get one because a real Pokemon game is finally on the way.
Basically, I disagree with the notion that looking back on a 13-year-old game that was one of their worst is in any way a good suggestion.
@@incomments2864 i think they need it now lmao
Im hoping that GF wont fuck it up with the remakes considering how rushed swsh is...
"Only two fire type pokemon" We all know who you were thinking of when you said that.
I agree about the huge inconsistency between the Galactic Grunts' actions and their bosses' actions. The weird thing is, I feel like this is actually INTENTIONAL. The Grunts, even in-universe, constantly talk about how they have no idea what their bosses are planning. It's meant to be played for comedy, but it feels to me like "lampshading something bad about your plot doesn't make it any better" territory. THIS is why Team Galactic is my least favourite evil team in the series.
At least their music is good though.
On Cyrus, a lot of people like him because of this vague implied backstory you get on him talking to an old man in Canalave City who's implied to be his grandfather. The issue with this is YOU ONLY SEE IT AFTER HIS PLOT IS OVER. They do a whole plotline with a 2-dimensional cartoon villain and then right after it ends suddenly say "oh by the way he actually has a backstory." It could've even gone some way to justifying why he acts the way he does, if it wasn't given after he's ceased to be relevant.
Yep, that's it in a nutshell. You'd think for a game that uses the evil team more heavily than ever before for the story, they'd actually make sure that Evil team is good to begin with.
I love Ghetsis. He's EASILY my favourite villain in the series. I know he's a bit one-dimensional, but I love how he just revels in how evil and sadistic he is and doesn't even try to hide it once his true colours come out, and how "surprisingly dark for a Pokemon game" a lot of his character was, with the game not really sidestepping the issue that he's an abusive father.
Honestly, I think Tamashii brought up the exact reason why I feel Ghetsis did his role so much better than Cyrus. He tried the political approach in B/W, and when that failed, he threw subtlety out the window and went whole hog with his actions, even going so far as to attempt to MURDER THE PROTAGONIST! Not to mention all the crap he put N through.
Okay, misconception clearup: Ghetsis technically didn't try to murder the protagonist. This was just people who couldn't speak Japanese taking Japanese screenshots out-of-context. In all versions, he just tries to freeze them. A lot of people assume it was censored in the English translation, but it wasn't. The dialogue is practically identical in both versions. Something about "you will be frozen her so you can watch Unova fall to me" or something. Though it's entirely possible the freezing would've resulted in eventual death.
Either way, Ghetsis winds up killing a kid to conquer the world. That's still pretty fucked up.
Crazy to think Diamond and Pearl counts as retro now.
Absolutely top video. Everything you stated is everything I've complained about to friends in person for years and years. I'm glad I'm not the only one(and I mean, I could've never been the _only_ one) that views these games the way I do. They were rushed by release date constraints and you could tell they were sloppily put together to make a deadline. Luckily, though, they used the experience and hardships of making these games and produced some of their best games to date in the following releases.
I'm barely an adult, and it feels weird hearing Diamond and Pearl called Retro Games. But I guess it has been 11 years now. I remember playing them when I first got my DS.Didn't have nearly as many memories with them as I did Crystal and Firered beforehand, but the music and new features really pulled me in at first, even if I consider them some of my least favorites in the series to this point.
I get why people love Diamond and Pearl, but the first two dragged for me a bit, especially after the 3rd gym(when you go so long w/o a badge). Platinum on the other hand gave me a much better time, and did a bit to alleviate the slowness of the game's general pace, but that doesn't mean it didn't drag at all.
actually it's been 10 years xD
Nope, he's right PashedMotatoes. it's been 11.
PashedMotatoes The games initially came out on September 28, 2006. As of this comment they're approximately 11 years and two days. SOO close to the 11 year date exactly...
I can understand not liking Diamond and Pearl, but Platinum is a big improvement and deserves respect!
Yes, she said Platinum was better.
The Poke'Saurus agreed
As a person who started from gen 1. I really enjoyed diamond and never played plat. I never thought the third versions were that great enough for me to buy and play it again (crystal, emerald, platinum) but that's because I assume they're the same gave with a few improvements?
Mr Meh usually the third versions has different pokemon, dialogue, fixed glitches, sometimes edits to story, new features ect
I. AM. SOLD!
The way that this video is constructed and presented is amazing. As an educator, the amount of research that was put into this is fantastic to see. Just the first three minutes alone, of going into the social influences of the time that effected and pushed the game, was enough to get me. It's small details like that that separate the good from the great. What's more, the inclusion of explanations when talking about narrative plot just shows how thorough and thoughtful she is, as this allows all audiences to be pushed up to the same level to help follow along with her progression.
Bloody well done, and I'm kicking myself for not discovering this sooner.
Ion McAdam yeah too bad she’s stopped making videos.
That's actually very disappointing. She has so much talent and her style is vastly different from everyone else's on the platform.
Hopefully she's doing something that she is passionate about. No matter what that is though, if she puts the same level of time, care, and effort into her present/future plans as she did with her previous projects then it has to be of high quality.
Besides, nothing is set is stone and like many comeback movies maybe she will return someday and be better than ever.
Ion McAdam she is fairly active on her Twitter, and it appears that she is working on another video.
She’s been fairly active lately, her ruby and sapphire review was really good and while I didn’t like the gold and silver as much I still loved it.
This seems like an IHE video
This is so good, I didn't even know I wanted this insanely deep review of gen 4 lol
"because I was a loser who didn't have any friends" we have all been there. Lool.
Despite the fact that I'm graduating high school this year, I'm still glued to the Pokemon series. Even though most people my age don't play or don't even like it, I'm still a diehard fan
Excellent video. Very well made and well thought out. Everyone has their opinions, and you put a lot of effort into defending your's here. And that sped up walkthrough with the timeline was amazing!
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thats super sweet of you
I think you should blame their need to base the game off of the Kyushu region as closely as possible for the reason they're threw things at you to slow you down too. Kyushu is a northern region with large mountains, wetland marshes, flowers, and snow. A lot of the buildings and structures are made of concrete or bricks because they would crack and erode under the harsh snow. Kyushu also has notoriously thick fog.
Diamond and Pearl, retro game??? I never thought I would hear those two phrases together in my life...
The energy collected from the Valley Windworks was used to Power the Galactic Bomb. Considering what it can do it feels logical that it would consume a fair amount of energy in order to displace that much water. Also the use of the Red Chain is really obvious, its a chain so its used to capture the legendary Pokémon as it is made from the energy harvested from the lake spirits.
you’re points are super interesting and valid. i definitely felt like the “story” of d/p felt like excuses to grind. platinum is good and fixes a lot, my favorite being the faster game speed and more pokemon.only question i have for you is why include a bunch of dumb or thoughout viewer comments with nonblurred names? not really a criticism, i just wanna know your reasoning
Time to reach Tama reviewing my second favourite Pokémon generation? Yay!
Although sadly this is on a new account because my old one got deleted, I've been a massive fan of your channel since 2015. I don't know if you'll ever see this, but that doesn't matter, I would just love to say how much I thank you Tama, for everything. You've got me through not only the toughest and most depressing times of my life, as I've always been a lonely and anxious kid, but simply changed me as a person, and for the better! You became a literal part of my life. Your videos and wonderful personality managed to help me so much, I always got so excited for a new Tamashii Hiroka upload, I also remember binging all of your old videos when I discovered your channel, and I remember how happy I was when I watched them; it's been that way ever since! So thank you, thank you so much for always being my favourite TH-cam creator on the platform, thank you for carrying through not only my childhood, but simply my life. I am so glad you are back full time again, it was tough having that year or so without you when you took that long break! I can't express how much I love you as a person Tama, your channel saved me. I am so so very happy you are back. Thank you for everything, keep being awesome, keep making my favourite content here, but most of all keep being the amazing person that you are :)
I absolutely LOVE Diamond, Peal and Platinum - Staraptor is my favourite Pokémon, I have the most emotional attachment to the Sinnoh starters, Dialga is my favourite legendary and I love the Sinnoh Region as a whole. But the game has its flaws that cannot be denied.
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While she hasn't uploaded on TH-cam for the past year, she streams on Twitch fairly frequently so check in there I guess?
concerning the energy thing, rowan's research in gen 4 regards whether evolution is a form of maturity in pokémon, and looking at the implications of the process on legendary pokémon, which before cosmog did not evolve. according to rowan, when pokémon evolve, they give off energy and team galactic seems to be studying that power’s potential. this likely why they were hassling rowan and his assistant as dialogue has rowan saying "they (team galactic) wanted to know if it (evolution energy) can be used as energy for something." matter and energy are interchangeable as einstein taught. so having a primary source of stolen mons give team galactic an endless supply of that energy they. they likely used it for the galactic bomb as they those set off in the 3 lakes where the lake guardians presided if i remember correctly. this was all explained at the canalave library incident where a connection between evolution and the lake guardians or legendaries, in general, is insinuated as well though never confirmed indefinitely game wise.
however, in the lore, arceus created the lake guardian and three legendary mascots of gen 4. the lake guardians gave all living beings knowledge, emotion, and willpower when they were born. the mascot simply created the pokémon universe/sinnoh. the lake trio seems to be the embodiment of knowledge, emotion, and willpower. pokemon evolve primarily through gaining experience which is tied to knowledge, emotion, and willpower as those things shape experience.
cyrus main goal was to create a world void of spirit by using the red chain which in the games was made of gems extracted from the lake gaurdians. and according to text from cyrus computer, "the pokémon of the lakes and mt. coronet are somehow connected. capturing the pokémon of the lakes will free the pokémon of mt. coronet. this is likely harking to ideals universal consciousness. monistic systems do not consider time or space as primary but treat it as a derivative of consciousness or in other words spirit. in this context, meaning the lake guardian serve the purpose of being the consciousness/spirit of the pokémon universe which included the legendary mascots excluding giritina for obvious reasons.
rebelL sprouT It also seems like that "energy put out by Pokemon evolution" thing was sucessful since they mention it in XY. A side note that points at their evolution research is that in DP, all of Cyrus's Pokémon evolve in different ways (Pt ruined that by giving him another level up evo).
“Just in time for the inevitable remake!”
*Three years later *
> 8 minutes of positive in a 52 minute video
Is this the Angry Joe Show?
Lol
When was Angry Joe angry?
It's notable that mother 3 came out in the same year as these games, just 6 months before them, and revolves around a villain who seeks to control a legendary dragon that has the power to remake the entire world as he pleases. And this villain also hates the world and all its people, reviles emotion, wants to outlive everyone in a blank slate, and actually sells these beliefs convincingly with a backstory about immortality instead of just wanting these things for no reason.
He also uses his team of lunatics to build giant industrial buildings and towers in rural areas, and cause massive problems for the locals. Something lampshaded in dpp once or twice with the hostile spiky appearance of the team galactic eterna building, and an npc commenting that it's an eyesore.
Why did you make "Pokémon Beta Secrets: Diamond & Pearl Beta (feat. Chuggaaconroy)" private?
Oh, and sorry for leaving more than one comment, but I have an actual question in mind:
I too also worry about how Pokemon games have been neglecting the main story and single-player mode, because of the popularity of multi-player mode.... and I wonder if this will ever change. Do you think they'll ever start caring about the main stuff and single player mode again? Do you think they'll go back to putting as much effort into it as before? Because I just... really miss pokemon, ya know? That might sound like an overly dramatic thing to say, when I still do get enjoyment out of the games, but there really is a lot missing from the experience. I'm even probably going to skip Ultra Sun and Moon and just wait for the next games instead. Oh, and the removal of the Emerald Battle Frontier in ORAS really killed a lot of trust and respect for Gamefeak, for real. (This was mainly for Tamashi, but I'd love it if anyone wants to discuss this!)
I'm not sure tbh. I think it's just them following what a majority of players now want. They want to make games that most of the current players and new younger players will enjoy. For that to change something about the way kids see media would have to change I think.
TamashiiHiroka That's a good point. Maybe if I feel this way, lots of other fans must be feeling the same way too. And if not, I guess I shouldn't act like gamefreaks choices should revolve around me, haha~ Though naturally I kinda /expect/ this to be a widespread experience, so maybe one day they'll have to acknowledge it and make changes accordingly. As you said, we'll just have to wait and see! (Also I just realized how silly it sounded to apologize for leaving comments... since that's usually what youtubers want, lol oops! I need to stop deleting things and feeling bad for having opinions.)
You used your Master Ball on Dialga?! It has a Catch Rate of 45! You can get it in one Poké Ball consistently, and almost guarantee it with a Dusk Ball at night~! ;D Also, Cyrus giving you the Master Ball is just another thing about him and the story that makes no sense... He's like, "I already own exactly what I need to enslave Time / Space WITHOUT FAIL, but instead of using it, I think I can capture the related Like Trio and torture them until I can make some Red Chain and trying using that instead... I'll give the Master Ball to the first Trainer to try to stop me because I love conflict even though I hate strife."
Catching a legendary Pokémon making it less powerful is a common, unspoken theme. I don't know why it works that way, and no one ever states it in game. But every bad guy chooses to enslave the legend rather than catch it. And when you catch Dialga you don't become the master of time. It's weird.
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Omg she's alive
You see, gen 4 its the most important gen in my life and i love it, but i recognize perfectly that a game cant be perfect, so does DP, the worst thing i cant remember by now its the slow animations and weak storyline, but the game for some people(including me as kid) was very difficult, today i dont think so, cynthia became really easy, but anyway i know DP has its fails, i recognize and accept it, but its my 2nd favorite gen anyway
I feel the same as you
*saving a lot of data*
That’s where I stand with it too
Felipe Silva that’s completely respectable
Felipe Silva Do you remember the very slow swimming animation? I am currently replaying DP and Platinum to compare the two. There is definitely a big difference :')
Another great video!! You were able to really lay out a lot of problems that take time to describe (the graph with all the fights and badges on was really illustrative) and summed up a lot of my own personal feelings about the design of the region. I was so pleased it was as long as it was haha, definitely worth waiting for.
We miss you, cant wait for the next video :D
Oh and I feel really sad that people have given you hate for hating sinnoh! i mean, i love sinnoh but I've never felt the need to throw angry messages at you for daring to have a different opinion. And I've actually been really excited to see your review so I can help understand your opinion! You've got a lot of great reasoning here!
The problem with Sinnoh haters is they come off as fanatical assholes. It's never measured or calm, it's always "The game is complete shit, all its pokemon and fans should be disposed". Even Tamashii pulls herself from the brink in this very video.
I never even knew about Mira cause I never went in that cave lmao
Very well thought out video. As someone who has played every pokemon since the first generation, I never understood why DPP didn't give me as much joy as RSE or the BWB2W2 series that sandwiched them, but this helped me identify some of the reasons I found the gen to simply be boring (even though Cynthia -- like many others think -- is my favorite champion due to the difficulty). You also make a great point regarding the positives and negatives of the introduction of online play. I am extremely experienced in Pokemon and know all the ins and outs of breeding/natures/IVs/EVs to max their stats, but I really just don't enjoy online play. I know I can hold my own, I just don't want to play a stressful mode when I turn on a video game, I play the game for enjoyment purposes. I still do all that stat maximizing stuff for the post-game battles like the frontier and tree etc, but I have noticed a drop in single-player content since online became so huge as well, and it's a little disappointing. Anyways, loved the in-depth look of the game, this was the first video I saw of yours.
"inevitable remake"
*3 Years later*
I love when people crap on these games, not only because they're freakin' bad, but because they have no excuse to be. Yeah, gen I and II were literally their first and second tries, what's Diamond and Pearl excuse?
What happened? You just kinda disappeared. Will you come back? If not I guess I could just watch the rest of your vids.
But please make more. It's precious to me
You're precious 💕 Am trying love
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Holy sarcasm batman.
God I love your sass. It has been sooooooooo long since I've seen any of your videos but I've been a sub for years. But godddddd you have gotten so much more savage.
I don't care how long your videos, I'll still watch them.
Cynthia's Garachomp was a special type of bullshit
Can we all agree that Bieberal is the best HM slave to date.
I used it and a Tropius. We did everything but waterfall (I'm including Flash).
if only it wasn't so ugly.
tman3162 amen
Yes.
Tama has a capital "C" in commitment for making a record like that. You deserve a reward.
Anyone else love tamashii's new kind of video style and point making also who dislikes like boaters like if you agree (lol)
Gen 4 baby here. This is really well done. You made some very solid points that I hadn't considered in the past. I always heard "but the pacing!!" and just kind of wrote it off as whining instead of ever really stopping to consider what in the story needed to be optimized. Especially having played Platinum more recently, I definitely remember the better things more than the annoyances. There are a few things on which we disagree, though.
As a kid, not knowing anything about Cyrus intrigued me. He was the mysterious character that wanted to destroy the world, and that was something I obviously didn't want to happen. While the story could've benefited from a more defined villain, the sheer evil that Cyrus embodied made it all the more satisfying when his plan failed miserably and the player defeated him at the spear pillar. You mentioned that there was no point of the journey for Cyrus since he said he'd just make new red chains, but I think that wasn't meant to be the end-- I think Game Freak was setting up the premise for Platinum. Sure, some things in Platinum were a do-over, but I think that was more or less Cyrus' second try at greatness; after rebuilding team galactic, with the hindsight and knowledge of one huge failure, he summoned *both* Dialga and Palkia instead of just one, delivered on his promise to make new red chains (even saying in the Platinum climax that the lake trio is only able to balance either dialga or palkia but not both, a nod to his mistake in D/P), and (albeit briefly) manifested the new world he so desperately craved. So, in this sense, I think the story worked.
I think not enough credit was given to just how revolutionary the DS hardware was to the franchise. Gen 4 was the first to do a LOT of things, including having a lot of time-based events in the game, certain Pokémon on certain days (Drifloom on Fridays outside Valley Windworks), day/night themes for *every route and town*, calendar-based events (Diamond dust, higher/lower chances of Pokémon on holidays throughout the year), and 3D-enhanced graphics. This only scratches the surface of how these games changed the franchise. There's a reason they're the third-highest-selling Pokémon games of all time. Game Freak utilized the immensely powerful, state-of-the-art (at the time) tools given to them to create an entirely new, never-before-seen Pokémon experience. And with Nintendo WFC, players could enjoy that together.
The music slaps.
Your note about the colors of the sprites was interesting, as it never really bothered me. I always saw Pokémon as a fantasy world, so these bright colors (for creatures that were never meant to be realistic in the first place) weren't a huge problem for me personally. For most bug/flying/fire/grass/water Pokémon, I thought vibrant colors fit quite nicely, actually.
Another note about the story that I think you missed: by my assessment, it was always meant to provoke more thought/analysis than give outright content. Sinnoh is full of theistic references and religious nods. Remember the church in Hearthome? That's the only church in any Pokémon game before or since DPPt. You have the introduction of Arceus, who's the literal God Pokémon (I never did understand why you could catch it though lol). Dialga/Palkia, masters of time/space respectively. At least for me as a kid, this got me critically thinking about life/religion/spirituality at a very young age. Whether Game Freak intended that or not, I think it's definitely worth considering when reviewing the storyline.
Overall, I think you were quite fair until the end when you said they're the worst games in the series (or something to that effect, I can't remember). While I haven't played anything past B2W2 (as the new mechanics and graphics weren't that appealing to me), I think to say that D/P are the worst games in the series really doesn't do them justice. As I think we can both agree, D/P were game changers and ushered in a new age of Pokémon. Like them or not, they are works of art and should be recognized for the significant cultural impact (and impact on the series) they had.
At any rate, I loved the video! Great sense of humor and engaging all the way through. Looking forward to more vids in the future!
In about a week's time this video would have been a year old.
Honestly, gen 4 Might be my favorite generation, looking back. Sure, it had some serious flaws, but there was loads to do, especially post-game, which is where I feel a LOT of Pokemon games fail. The Vs. Seeker (Though introduced in FR/LG) meant you could actually battle TRAINERS post game. Not just the same Elite 4, or an irritatingly difficult (Or Rigged) Battle Tower.
Man, the VS. Seeker, another reason I hold this game in high regard. Has that item seriously never returned since then???
SweetWheatsy I don't think it did
What on earth. In my opinion an absolutely essential part of Pokémon.
42:15 "Here's the moment you've all been waiting for..." FINALLY, YES. 30 minutes of complaints (that were actually in really good taste, like dang, I did not realize how many pacing and story problems this game had) and it's all gonna lead up to Tamashii being positive!!
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I started with Gen 1. My faves are Gen II and Gen V. Gen II for being what I feel is "definitive" gen 1. and Gen V for being what feels very much like a mimic of Gen 1 and gen II with B&W having 150 new pokemon with no old pokemon, having a really intimating gang connected to something i could see in real life, and the sequel having that gang devolve into stupidity while improving many pokemon mechanics having just a very very extensive after-game in B&W 2. I also really love B&W because I felt like... wow, I don't know any of these pokemon and I got to learn everything all over again. XD I don't know why that is a good thing but it is. It feels amazing.
But Gen III was the generation that was stolen from me. I remember loving the graphics... I got to the third gym before I realized I couldn't transfer my old mons. And yeah my GBA was stolen with the game and... yeah I didn't even play the remaster of gen 1. Soooooo Gen IV was something I didn't play until I was an adult. Platinum had just come out but I picked up pearl instead. It is hard for me to like Gen III at all because of the death of pokemania, everyone getting rid of their pokemon stuff. I was in middle school at the time and everyone generally looked down on people who were playing it. Putting it to you this way: I was 8-9 for the first generation. 10-11 for the second. but... 12-15 for the third. And as much as I did still play r/b/y G/C, I was pretty angry during that generation.... Middle and high school was instead filled with Rhytem games like Guitar Hero/Rockband, DDR and games like Smash Brothers. Not that I didn't constantly play random games on my GBC though. I kept buying new stuff I hadn't played yet.
I pretty much remember how pretty the game was for gen IV the first time I picked it up more than anything else. Mining underground for so many stones and evolving lots of pokemon.
Gen IV definitely won me back. and when the Gold/Silver remakes came around... I was so impressed. When I go back to it though, I often feel as if it is the opposite of Gen I. and yeah suffers from pacing issues of Gen II. But Gen II more like had this FAST pacing. Gen IV was slow. And there was like... a story I wasn't interested in at all. And I really don't like how it messes with the pokemon lore. As in the legendaries really really ruin a lot of things in Gen I, II. "Which pokemon came first" was never a question when you were answering it based on the lore of the game before Gen IV hit. It was always scientific feeling of Mew was the start of evolution for all pokemon (who is an embryo). I really don't like that they added "gods" if you will... Time and space and stuff? Yeah yeah super destructive pokemon... but Archeus is probably my least favorite thing about Gen IV. And pretty much also why I don't like Gen VI because it has some of the same stuff going on.
And yeah I HAD NO IDEA WHAT TEAM GALACTIC EVEN STOOD FOR. And I kinda just didn't care the first time I played. I played it again after I played B&W because I noticed how much better B&W was. All the other ones I could figure out. Thank you for kinda explaining why because even the second time I played it I was like ????
You got an point there.
I also started with Gen 1 but until Gen 5 came out, Gen 2 was my favorite. Tho I don't like Gen 4 and am even disappointed by the HGSS games. They aren't bad per se but I just can't enjoy them like GSC probably because you can't use the mystery gift to manipulate Cal's team to battle your friend's team to gain exp and the game holding your hand by leading to the main legendary Pokemon and that weird accessory that grinds your Pokemon.
You can call it nitpicky. But it didn't expand Johto like FRLG did with Kanto or ORAS did with Hoenn despite the removal of the Battle Frontier.
Gen 3 was disappointing to me but ORAS was a big improvement from RS. Sadly it didn't improve upon what I loved about Gen 3 which is everything in Emerald. I enjoyed the Kanto remakes and am still playing Colosseum and XD (admittedly because Pokemon Sword and Shield drama ruining my hype for Gen 8 but reawakened my love for those home console titles for the GC)
HOW THE HELL DOES VICTORY ROAD TAKE NEARLY 7 HOURS?!
You really need to put the game sum-up in every review. They are the best.
Also watch the game montage at 2x speed.
Brilliant diamond and shining Pearl are a mistake.
Your content has gotten miles better over the years. Fantastic job.
I won't argue about what you say cause you are right about. Diamond was my first Pokemon and I recently replayed it (as in like a week ago). Then I bought Platinum which is WAY better story wise. Platinum is what Diamond/Pearl aspired to be. I guess I should say this is where the community hates "gen 4": D/P is not finished. Platinum is. And a third game in a gen shouldn't finish a story from the same gen