Canon 85 2.0 why I returned it
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My review of the full Canon 85mm f/2.0 RF macro lens. If you're thinking about using this lens as a budget way to shoot RF mount portraits then think again. There are better options out there.
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I am portrait photographer and have used primarily the Canon EF 85/1.4 L IS on my EOS R camera for portraits (and events) but since I purchased this RF 85/2 Macro I have not used the 85/1.4 L IS lens all that often. Do not get me wrong, I love how the EF 85/1.4 L IS renders but the new RF 85/2 Macro (which is probably more like 80mm) does have incredible "pop" in the photographs which I appreciate very much. I still keep the EF 85/1.4 L IS for the shoots where I intend to use more of the 1.4 magic but lately it just stays at home when RF 85/2 Macro is working. I also love the size and weight and reliable and relatively fast focus. When I view thru the photographs in LR after each gig I immediately recognise images taken with RF 85/2 Macro. IMHO Canon really nailed it with this lens!
This is what I needed to hear!
So many people are saying it's terrible.
I've ordered one.. let's see 🤔
@@matt79hz so how was it?
@@shortgt I sent it back. But that was mainly because it was a return. I bought through a decent retailer, though grey. The service was fine, but the unit had clearly been returned already.
😬 So now it's been returned twice.
Also, I couldn't handle the barrel extension.
I'm sure it's great, image quality wise.
@@shortgt oh, forgot to mention.
I got the EF 100mm L macro, as my old non L is 20yrs old and has mould. Still works.
Thought I could kill 2 birds that way. Plus I've ordered the RF 35 1.8 as a walk-around and video lens for the kids.
IS is what gets me across the line as I do the hybrid. Food car videos and then portraits.
I understand your point but to me it felt more important having the close focus capability of the F2 than the wider aperture. Esp on something like the Canon R6 with IBIS (and the lens IS) I can shoot longer exposures and get the results I want anyway.
It's tough to imagine an f2 is not enough for dramatic photos. I know dozens of photographers who make a living producing outstanding portraits with f2.8 lens. For me, I'll take the f2, added macro feature, control ring and Image stabilization over a wider aperture.
for sure! I did mostly say good things about the lens even though it wasn't a keeper for my needs.
Yeah I rarely use an 85 1.8 at 1.8, and more often at 2.8 or higher. Even at 2.8 you can turn the background to mush at body shot range, and at headshot range the bokeh could even be said to be too smooth, losing all definition and character as if your subject is shot in front of a backdrop of gradients.
Being a huge Sam Hurd photography fan, I have to wonder if these people know your work outside of TH-cam 😂
@@AmandaWoolsey nope, they do not hahaha
which is the better choice between sigma 85mm f1.4 or canon rf 85mm f2, please help me to choose, greetings from Indonesia
Thanks Sam this is brilliant! Subscribing :)
Welcome aboard!
Hi Sam, what camera do you use the Samyang on? I am reading about a lot of problems in combination with the Canon R5 / R6 or is that fixed with firmware version 3 of the lens? Regards, Chris
i use it with the R6 now, but before that the R5 and R - no problems.
Could you make another video with some shots? That would be great to see how it performs for both, street or portraits and macro!
Thank you!
Are you using this RF f2 to photography or only your using this for video?
Thanks for the frank review. I just bought the Canon 85/2 for a few reasons. I am a videographer and macro photographer (read: perfect bonsai photos 😉) , so the close focus distance nailed it for me. Also the IS and the control ring (I also love my 35/1.8) helped the decision. Cheers 👍🏻
sounds like the perfect fit!
@blue sky bonsai , I'd be interested to know how you got on with the Canon 85MM F2 for video work. I mainly shoot video so to me the canon makes sense with the IS but a lot of people have posted reviews saying the autofocus is too slow for video, with the main issue being if it loses focus and goes to one extreme it takes a long time to come back.
@@DTSquared For video on a tripod the 85/2 is flawless. It locks on and stays perfectly focussed. You can see an example in my video "Bonsai Care - how to repot a bonsai tree - 5 Reasons to not repot".
But handheld, moving around, even on a good gimball, I can't trust it to keep focus on the subject. The problem is not how slow it is (you can avoid that issue by selecting near focus or far focus); the problem is it just doesn't lock on the focus while you move around. You can see it hunting forward and backward rather than locking focus. There's an example of how that looks in this video: "How to prune a bonsai tree | Winter pruning a Trident Maple bonsai". I was trying to focus on a branch at 40 seconds into the video, for about 20 seconds while I walked slowly closer to it.
In summary, fantastic lens for handheld photography and for tripod videography. But not reliable for handheld videography. HTH.
@@BlueSkyBonsai Hi Dave, thanks for such a quick and detailed response certainly food for thought and sounds like the focus speed is not quite such the deal breaker on video that others make it out to be. I suspect a lot of the time for me it will be on a tripod for either macro or long distance work and I'd tend to lock the focus on moving shots anyway. The IS for video is likely to make way more difference than the focus limitations. Thanks again and I enjoyed your videos, beautiful looking Bonsai's I don't know how you have the patience! Many thanks again from another Dave (and another Brit TH-camr who also owns and enjoys the RF35F1.8 :-) )
@@DTSquared you can also circumvent the focus hunting a bit by stopping down the aperture substantially so it's imperceptible when it does hunt. But then you're not getting all that lovely background blur... so I would just use my old EF 24-105 to shoot at f/4 or smaller.
Thanks Dave, I also enjoyed your videos and your editing! I'm surprised you didn't do a visit to the Bluebell Railway yet. (I lived near there in childhood). Cheers
This video is an instant *clicks subscribe* quality. Happy to follow the channel.
cool, thanks!
Hi there love your vids about that lens,i am a beginner in shooting portraits,,can it do some close up for beauty portraits?will it do the jobs or should i get the older 100mm 2.8 macro instead,,thanks a lot 😊😊😊😊
I been trying to find a comparison to the 100mm macro L as well. L series 85 looks pretty good.
when you slightly shake lens(rf 85 f/2.0), does it has free play of inner barrel (wobble)?
not that I've noticed
Hello Master :
Please help and give me some advice,
The camera I am currently using is Canon EOS R10,
The kit lens used with it is (RF-S18-150mm f/3.5-6.3 IS STM)
My main subject matter is toy photography.
The secondary shooting content is street photography or portrait photos.
Now I want to buy new lenses, after watching your video,
Want to compare between Canon RF 50mm f/1.8 STM and RF85mm F2 Macro IS STM
After making a choice, I would like to ask you to give me some advice on which lens is more suitable for me? Thank you.
3:46 canon :)
Good review man. I have the canon 85 on the way now I’m questioning everything lol
I said Nikon didn’t I. Haha, sorry! Good catch.
@@iamsamhurdphotography haha keep up the great content brotha
I just returned the samyang. Although it's f1.4, it's not sharp enough and it breathes too much. I ordered the canon 85 f2 for the sharpness and the IS, which is more important than the bokeh.
@@116Paul How do you like the canon if you don’t mind me asking!
@@FinestPhoto1 It's very sharp and great for portraits, but the autofocus is not fast. Just don't use it for fast motion like kids or sports. The image stabilization is fantastic on this lens. Great for videos and pictures. Also, it's very light for a 85mm.
Can you please elaborate further what you mean that the Canon doesn’t have an interesting look to it? I’ve seen comparison videos with these 2 lens. And I saw that the Canon has sharper images with better contrast. The Samyang, of course, has better bokeh and is warmer. But, are the bokeh and warmer look what you meant?
yes, it's sharper and more contrast. for me a few blind A/B tests between the canon and samyang and the samyang won out every time. it's a subjective/preferences thing and for my taste and style the samyang has a character I gravitate to. simple as that. anyone that prefers the canon will disagree - normally with anger and frustration, which makes no sense, haha.
I canceled my preorder for the 85 f2 when canonrumors announced that canon was going to release a RF 100 2.8L macro. That and I’ve not been impressed with STM focusing of my RF 35 f1.8. The USM focusing of the EF 35 f2 that I had was way better in low contrast situations.
yeah, if your primary focus is macro photography I agree that a 100mm is preferred.
Thanks for video review. Using RF 85mm f/2.0 Macro IS STM on Canon R10 in video mode, when lost the focus, it is very slow to find focus back again. Also tested the Samyang
yeah the 2.0 is just not enough light for it to always track focus well
I find the Samyang RF 85 1.4 works reasonably reliable when shooting fast moving subjects with my Canon R5 but I think this lens isn’t really for shooting sports or anything but more for static subjects more because I find for very fast moving subjects, it seems the lens can’t track well enough especially when u r shooting at H+ mode silent shooting, it seems to miss focus slightly for some shots. Some shots are sharp but but not all of them. I guess this lens was designed prior the R5 and R6 and although with the firmware update, it works quite well. It still suits the more static shooting situation
thanks for that insight ryan!
didn't want to ruin the 999 likes but got to the end and had to throw a like on the pile. great vid.
I've been looking at both of these lenses for a while now but I finally bought the canon RF 85mm f2 and I do not regret it.
nothing to regret. as i say in the video you're nothing making a horrible wrong decision either way. it's a solid lens, i just find the samyang to be better for how i shoot.
and now samyang doesn't make the 85mm rf at all anymore
I agree the samyang makes much warmer photos! The yellow tint on the glass makes skin tones look orange on my r6.
yup. still it's not something I haven't been able to edit out just fine in post.
I have an old Canon EF 85mm f/1.8..,.. Amazing lens. I've owned it for over 10 years and now it's got a new lease of life on my R6. I am very happy with him. Chromatic aberrations that bother him, easily solved when they exist. Sharpness, focus speed..... Phenomenal. I think it's one of the lenses where Canon got it wrong, and it's not L glass. Because it has excellent performance and sharpness. Especially now on R6.
the thumbnail pic is just incredible
I've just given you a like for this review, very useful, but oh my word, I'm a dust obsessive! I just wish you had the rear caps on as you were handling the lenses 😲
sorry John! I know that annoys a lot of photographers!
Kinda wish i got the samyang over the rf f2 lol i love that 1.4 look
It’s just nice to have options
If your photography relies on 2/3 of a stop extra light, or that small amount of extra bokeh between f/2 and f/1,4, then the picture was not really good in the first place. Just saying
I'd like to see more of the Samyang. There seems to be quality issues with good and bad copies out there and despite the recent firmware update the AF can be a bit hit or miss at times. Then there's the yellow tint issue. I'd like the 85 1.2 but that's beyond my budget atm so it's the Canon or Samyang.
I sent back the 85 1.2 too. The thing is laughably gigantic and not practical if you shoot for multiple hours.
@@iamsamhurdphotography I'm leaning toward the Canon RF 85 f2. Nice and light with very few vices it would appear. I'd have preferred a wider aperture but if it's a good as the RF35mm F1.8 I own I'll be well pleased. I've tried Tamron and Sigma lenses in the past and all neded afma and some were so inconsistent with their focus accuracy I ended up selling the lot. I'll stick with the oem lenses from here on.
@@stevemurnan1702 yeah it's certainly as good or better as the 35 1.8 RF so, nice choice! as I said in the video... you aren't going to make a horrible mistake choosing either lens. just make sure it acquires low light AF as well as you'd like. I think that's where the samyang really has an edge.
Useful review. Could you compare it to the EF 85 1.8? I heard that even at f2, the old EF 85 1.8 lets more light in than the f2. Same picture, same lighting, the EF 85 1.8 needs -0.38 in Lightroom to be on the same level as the RF 85 f2. I think that for many people that don't need macro, the older EF85 1.8 might be a better fit. It has the fast USM motor and is smaller and lighter without, but with the adapter comparable to the RF lens.
I have the 1.8 too but don't have any macros lenses. I'm thinking of upgrading.
If aperture is the criterion for returning then so be it, that’s what this is from what I heard. In terms of utility of macro capability, IS, and being native makes it a compelling choice for many of us. Thanks for taking the time to review.
it's certainly one (major) aspect of my decision. acquiring AF on mirrorless bodies means the more light the better. even if you shoot at f/2.0 on the 1.4 samyang it will temporarily open up the aperture to 1.4 to help acquire focus. I really want that capability if I'm shooting in a low light situation, which I often am.
Fair enough... one stop is one stop... if autofocus is reliable on this lens then it’s a great buy. I don’t have IBIS (yet) so I’m still on the fence.
Another TH-cam video said the Samyang missed focus more than it should for a mirrorless camera. I don’t know what firmware it had. It would seem that Canon has made it difficult to reverse engineer their AF protocol to stop 3rd party lenses from being as good. I can’t be sure if he said that the Canon was better at locking AF in backlit scenarios compared to the Samyang.
@@sexysilversurfer I bought the EF version of the Samyang lens, which has slightly different optics. The AF (via EF to RF adapter) is much more reliable than my friend's Canon RF 85mm F2. It tracks walking and jogging subjects coming straight towards the camera, wide open, flawlessly. I'm using the Samyang on an EOS RP and he's using the Canon lens on an EOS R. We swapped lenses and he instantly noticed his face detection kicked in sooner and I noticed it kicked in later on the Canon lens. His hit rate went up, mine went down.
Even when the eye and/or face detection box was on target, the Canon lens was too slow for tracking. It would nail some shots and be soft on others. The Samyang is sharp 100% of the time if the AF box is where it should be.
So many reviewers are reaching different conclusions that it leads me to question the quality control (consistency) of both the Canon and Samyang 85mm lenses. I'm lucky to have a great one. By buying the EF version I get the control ring (on the adapter) missing from the RF version of the Samyang lens.
@@sexysilversurfer I am using ef version of Samyang with Canon adapter. Autofocus is fast and accurate. My guess is that reverse engineering of rf version doesn’t quite get to the level of native rf lenses.
However, rf version of Samyang seems to have better glass composition than ef version. So if you look for better quality photos out of many shots, rf version. If you look for faster and more accurate autofocus, ef version.
Exactly the same I think about the Tamron 35mm f1.4 SP vs the RF 35mm f1.8... Doesn't render the same! Especially when shooting people
Which one are you thinking?
@@WSJade depends on budget, needs and size! But best overall image quality, bokeh, rendering hands down the Tamron by a lot!!! Even the AF works better....
But the RF has better size, weight, price and has IS and 1:2 macro
I own the Tamron 1.4 and use to own the Canon 1.8. Hands down the Tamron wins for me.
Have anyone use this F2 lens for video, for real, is it good, because Samyang is hard to find now.
it’s certainly better suited for video than stills
@@iamsamhurdphotography thanks for the answer.. hope You are right
I sent the Samyang back. The autofocus was crap on my R5. Very inconsistent
Interesting. I wonder if they manufacture them poorly. My copy is perfect on my R and R6
@@iamsamhurdphotography which firmware are you running?
@@justinholding02 Yeah, most likely the old firmware. Not like you can tell which one you have without the dock (well, except if IBIS isn't working -> old firmware). Using it on my R, it's largely great, but sometimes it seems to miss focus. No dock available here yet, but I got the retailer where I bought the lens to order the dock. Waiting on it now.
@@TherconJair I bought the dock and updated to firmware 2. 3 wasn't available at the time. It was very unreliable
@@justinholding02 I wager have v2 on my copy of the lens, AF is fairly reliable on the R, more so than other third party lenses I have tried on Canon DSLRs in the past. Hoping v3 improves it further!
I respectfully disagree. I bought the Rokinon/Samyang months ago. The focus hunting is so bad, I thought I had a bad copy. I returned and got another copy, same thing. I ended up buying the RF85 1.2. Then when the F2 came out, I got for my wife and 2nd camera.... so much better than the Rokinon. I had no problem with the pics but I found it to be unreliable. I did a comparison of the F2 vs F1.2 on my channel.
did you try updating the firmware on the samyang? that wasn't my experience at all. also, the canon f/2 isn't all that bad! I think I pointed out many good aspects of the lens. just wasn't the right fit for my use.
@@iamsamhurdphotography It wasn't available when bought my copy... in addition,to your point, I had no other problems with the lens with the exception of the performance in focusing... And you did a great in explaining the Canon's strengths... Just adding good conversation to your post. 😉
Yes, and Samyang have horrible performance against bright light/backlight that's why for me is usseles in portrait photography.
@@Radczak82 it's just as bad with the other two 85mm. all 3 of them demonstrated a ton of hunting in backlight. it's a common issue with telephoto lenses.
@@iamsamhurdphotography I mean horrible flares and ghosting.
I spent u p to 5:30 watching your video and decided I had to stop. The only reason you are returning the Canon 85mm is that it only has up to f/2 aperture. :) I thought I was gonna hear more opinions on the lens than that. :)
I'm not sure how good this lens is for macro. Was it a guess on your part? In many other reviews, it has been mentioned that this lens hunts a lot at close range. Manual focusing, which is what one would normally do, is also difficult. And once you hit that close focusing distance, it's a huge pain to focus it back to infinity.
I'm also not sure if you have really tested the lens fully to recommend it for video. Again, this lens is known to have slow AF for video.
it's also slow to focus. I've been much happier with the samyang 85 1.4 RF for my uses (mostly portraits)
I’ve heard the samyangs can be super unreliable, so it’s hard to trust them 😭
that has not been my experience, at all.
You're saying the opposite of what pretty much everyone else says about this lens. They say it's great for photo, but sucks for video, because in video it takes forever to focus. And not sure what you see is wrong in the photos it produces either - not like I could see your samples behind your paywall, but from what I've seen elsewhere, it produces excellent portraits. Maybe your copy was a dud.
not too worried about what other people are saying about this... I can only say what my experience is like, and it was what it was. I stand by it!
I just sent my Samyang back and getting Canon instead. The Auto Focus on Samyang is just too aweful for me. Especially when it is cold snd I stay in UK, which is always cold. So nothing get fucused when I am out.
Did you update the firmware to the latest version?
@@gentlegiant4067 Yeah I did. But still no luck 😥
wow, that's surprising. have you been enjoying the canon?
@@iamsamhurdphotography yeah I have been enjoying the canon 85 mm f2. The thing I love about it the most is that I can get closer to my subject.
@@beewh001 it certainly is good for that! I tend to keep a LOT of wide context in my compositions so I'm sure that has something to do with my opinion of it
Lol maybe the lense just not for you. For portraits, I think the 85mm Marco is beautifully done. Compared to the Samsung, it is better in sharpness and focus. One thing about third party lenses are that they have to replicate canon’s technology if they want to make a similar lense for it but the quality of the lenses always falls tad short. Samsung autofocus on the rp is not tack sharp for me and the issue I constantly have is when I go to focus and the subject moves a little bit then the focus is moved somewhere else. and although 1.2f is great, taking portraits I would like the subject background to be noticeable a little bit. 2f stop has a great blur as well as a beautiful finish to the photo that doesn’t require tons of editing. The samyang has this green and purple outcast over the subject I see many times as well
you’re right about the color cast if the samyang, but the AF is very fast on my R3. 85mm for portraits is many people preferred focal length so it maxes sense you’d want it, but not me
I'm not sure what you guys are talking about my main 85mm is the sigma 1.4 but this f2 I love as a portrait photographer. On my eos r I couldn't stand it on the r5 it's epic for a light portable 85mm.
Bokeh isn't everything
bokeh certainly isn't everything! for me it comes down to AF accuracy in low light. mirrorless cameras need light as they don't have any kind of IR focus assist and even with really ISO sensitive sensor having f1.4 vs f/2.0 is totally game changing for low light AF. even if you want to shoot the samyang 1.4 at 2.0 the camera will bump it open to f/1.4 as it acquires focus temporarily. it's a big advantage.
I guess Canon advantage cones with image stabilization.
that's more helpful with video than stills. sensor level IBIS is more than good enough for still photos.
6:20 while it could be said in 4-5 sentences - peace ;)
Its misfortunate, that you did not provide any examples for the missing "pop", which was the only real critisism you brought up. A comparison of images from both lenses wouldve helped alot.
i did… on my patreon. sorry if that’s an issue for you!
@@iamsamhurdphotography no problem, just a good tip for the future
Watched the whole video with baited breath. Why did you return it??
I found the sayang 84 1.4 to be much better, and the f/2.0 was too limited in low light. not a bad lens for video though!
@@iamsamhurdphotography How is it not bad for video? In AF it's focus hunting like crazy in continouos focus mode and in MF it takes like 10 rotations of the focus ring to run through the focus range.
@@2point7182818284590 i manual focus most video stuff
Samyang isn't ready for the big leagues. Their color is bad and in my experiences with them they're not all that reliable. Canon has long been noted for their color rendition, and a lot of that has to do with their lens. I've yet to use a Samyang that I liked. I'll stick with Canon glass.
I have every RF lens, and I still prefer the samyang 85 1.4 even with the canon glass being better in some metrics. the operation and experience of using the samy is just better for the work that I do (long, high volume weddings days)
Id love to get the samyang IF THEY DIDNT STOP SELLING IT!
keep an ebay search going
I wish the samyang was still an option
keep a search open on ebay - they pop up often
Why are so many people here taking your decision to return your lens on a personal level? You have a valid reason for your professional work flow to return your lens. At any rate I always enjoy your well thought well presented material! Thanks so much.
‘tis the internet. people don’t like thinking they made a wrong choice etc. it’s a fine lens in very specific scenarios… none of which I need.
Am I the only one who gets Twin Peaks vibes from this set?
it's weird to read my living room called a set, haha.
I completely disagree that this lens doesn’t have an interesting look. It’s very sharp, and the color contrast is excellent. I mainly use it for portraits, but the fact that it’s a macro lens just makes it that much cooler.
it's a totally subjective opinion so... we can both be right. I actually forgot to send it back and it remains just sitting on my shelf for the past few months. not great.
Besides what does a lens have to do with interesting or not interesting photos? If a photo doesn't look interesting, then blame the photographer, not the gear.
Ohhhhhhhh you returned it I don’t think I’ve ever returned anything why did you return it or is this clickbait
because it has terribly slow autofocus.
One of the worst reviews I've ever seen on TH-cam. It makes no sense at all.
feel free to make your own review and counter me. I actually just forgot to send it back, and haven't picked this lens up since. Samyang 1.4 RF is the way to go for the vast VAST majority of users.
Meh. This lens is great for the price. Sure wider apertures are always nice but f 2.0 is more than enough. I'll take the semi macro capabilities any day over the wider aperture. Also it also has IS which is quite nice to have. Its also fairly compact.
This lens has more than enough background separation and f2 is still pretty open especially compared to a standard telephoto.
For me I call this bollocks.
totally fine for you to have your own opinion. I think the previous 85 1.2 EF is FAR better for portrait work. IS is not that big of a deal if your using a camera with IBIS (I am), and f/2.0 is a completely different look/aesthetic than 1.4, or even 1.8. I recommend the samyang 85 1.4 RF any day over this lens for anyone that primarily shoots portraits & weddings - no question.
Not quite certain your logic is sound.
please elaborate
I just bought this lens and I hate it 😑
yeah... sorry :(
I think Samyang is only better in Bokeh
which, is a big deal in the look and low light possibilities. also, a bit cheaper :)
Too bad I can’t give you two thumbs down.
what’s wrong with your thumbs man?
Weeding? How with corona😂😂😂
small weddings w/ masks outside. it's been a few weeks haha.
Junk lens
sums it up pretty well actaully
At 4:40 you contradict your recommendation????
if you do primarily do video and some still photos then go ahead and keep it. if you only do still then find a samyang or something else. i sent it back because i don’t do video.