Boss Hoss V8 vs R1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
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The sound makes the music; -)
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Hi, diese Boss Hoss war eine 5,7 Liter mit 355PS und Vergaser ;-) Hi this Boss Hoss was a 5,700 ccm mit 355HP and Carburettor ;-)
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It may not be fast, it may not be agile, it may not be fuel efficient but it certainly is expensive.
But hey you can tow a car with ease
@@codaxthevulture4129 I'm pretty sure you can tow a car with an R1 or Hayabusa aswell
@@godlikeghost4839 yes but it wont be as comfy
@@hakonjordbrk3976 haha true.. the only thing I miss about sport bikes is comfort
@@godlikeghost4839 I doubt you can tow a car with an R1 or hayabusa, they lack the torque down low in the rev range for being able to pull a car from a standstill
My dude on the boss Hoss just trying to stay alive.
LMAO
🤣🤣
lmao
love
Killing me softly with this bike, killing me softly .....
Looks like a good starter bike
That shit is a single seated car
well it is stable to ride but you need skills to manouvre it
Jajajajajajaja
Fucking dead dude
lol
The engine alone in the Boss Hoss weighs more than the entire R1.
@vw arteon shooting brake 😂👌
Как р1 вместе с райдером
What's the point of that heavy engine then?
@@Gravedig00
None that I can tell. It's a "mine is bigger" kind of thing.
yup. definitely no going on twisties on this thing without looking like a fool. the R1 would be gone on the second corner
What it lacks in speed it makes up for in petrol consumption
The part would create 300kmH in 2nd gear, that's enough ;-)
And torque probably
@@turbine35 and i believe this thing only has 2 gears cmiiw
And torque.
@@turbine35 well it doesn't have more than two gears, I mean it's basically a V8 moped.
The "Boss" accelerates and corners like a 1972 chevy pick-up...lol
well, it basically is a 1972 chevy pickup lol
DRR with a loaded bed
They have 2 speeds in them. This thing has gears so long it could probably run 80mph in first.
Jαѕσи Tσdd damn! how fast can the other bike go in first?
Jαѕσи Tσdd not sure about in first but a r1 can go 180 mph +
would this be a good starter bike i already have a similar engine in my truck so i'm used to working on it and have spare parts
Jepp
If you’re trying to die then yes
This made me crack up 🤪🤣🤣🤣
I bet the guy on the Boss Hoss had the song "Stayin' Alive" playing on his sound system.
The fact it even has a sound system is all you need to know 😐
V8 overpowered the sound of the Soundsystem. It's useless
Watching that Boss Hoss speed up is making me nervous, that thing does not look stable
about as stable as an 80 year old granma on crack..!
displayfireworks1 aerodynamics of a house brick
displayfireworks1 Yeah, but the rider's fully kitted out in a T shirt, so what's there to be nervous about
or morons from motorcycle drivers :)
Everything has to be safe and regulated nowadays, who cares if its dangerous, its their choice. I wouldnt do that myself because that shits scary. It shows whos got the bigger balls though
Its like a race between a vintage tractor and a modern day Ferrari how exciting.
Haha
Do you know what a v8 is
Pepridge yep thats what its made to do i was just talking about the “vintage tractor” thing
V8 hemi is fastest combustion engine, and probably will be (1/4 mile, now 1000feet). No ferrari has anything to say, nor anything else. The problem oh Boss Hoss is that rear wheel loses traction...
Jasper Rasper lol
Well the Boss Hoss may be slower, but consider this
The fuel consumption is also terrible
I had a good laugh
At least it’s expensive and handles terribly.
Also the ower is the proudest bike owner...
@Quirin M. yeah i dont think it has a bad fuel consumption unless you flooring it like a madman
imagine earing a large displacement motor screaming behind you and you look over to see a motorcycle passing
It goes great with a matching necklace.
It wasn't full throttle. Full throttle on a boss hoss is asking to just die. They have a higher power to weight ratio than a Bugatti Veryon, but the chassis of the motorcycle flexes and makes it unstable.
@@saltyfloridaman7163 there are clips on you tube of boss hosses drag racing and they going alot faster than the one in this clip. Guy was just cruising didn't really twist the throttle that much, if he did the bike would've ripped passed the r1 before his ass hit the ground because the hoss would've left him behind.
Unlikely!
Is this a passing stationary traffic scenario, that you imagine?
LOL The R1 rider lets him catch up just to break his heart and wheelie away.
What a douche.
+1
That shit blew my mind doing a wheelie going that fast 😳 douche or not that guy can ride
They were obviously going somewhere together and not really racing. On a deserted straightaway and a rider that knows the bike, I believe a Hoss can pull an R1
But that was not the case here.
@@thejerseyj9422 In which dimension can a boss hoss beat an R1 in a race
@@thejerseyj9422 do you know how power to weight ratio works?
@@BMK500 That dude probably thinks an Armata T-14 (Russian tank) can clap some Audi r8 cheeks because the tank has a 12cylinder 1500hp and the audi r8 only have a v10 and 600hp
Superbike and t-shirts/ jeans.
Nice combo.
FesterBesterTester he had a helmet
His life get over it
Jack Carey our taxes if he fails
@@louisv.1417 That's just silly
@@louisv.1417 hahahahaha troller comment
I drove a 350 version. Takes a parking lot to turn at full lock. Like straddling a water truck.
Yeah I guess at that point you would call it driving rather than riding.
They look like a total nightmare. That being said, I wouldn't turn down the chance to ride one.
@@xs-1b415 Absolutely. What's kinda weird is when in neutral, revving the engine give a slight torque movement to one side.
(Rotational mass of front to back engine placement)
However when accelerating the motorcycle at speed, no side movement at all. I drove a single speed. It was very fast. They have multispeeds now. I saw a 427 at a tollbooth. Holy crap..
I thought using an LS for one made it a touch more manageable as it's a little lighter than an old school 350.
Still ain't no canyon carver.
Everybody's dogging on the Boss Hoss but it's pretty incredible how well it's able to keep up with a superbike that weighs a little over a third it's weight and is way more aerodynamic.
Yep
No it cant keep up
Until you consider how its V8 engine is bigger and makes more power than 90% of cars out there
You must be watching something else as the Boss Hoss isnt anywhere able to keep up.
The dude on the R1 literally slows down for the boss hoss guy to catch up lmao
Nice of the R1 to let the hoss catch up from time to time.
Looks like Boss Hoss isn't any kind of a boss.
You must not have watched the vid. it still kept up with it
Yep, when the R1 slowed down lol
Xbox Jared r u fucken serious, the Boss got left for dead everytime. u need to get your eyes checked.
That boss would have way more torque and power than the R1. The R1 just runs at really high RPMS so you can wind it up and accelerate quick as hell. With a Boss you can only accelerate so fast before the rear tire breaks loose. The Boss was still fast as hell. I don't think people realize just how quick an R1 is. It may have looked slow in comparison but I guarantee the Boss was hauling ass too
It just loses traction, otherwise it would go to horizon.
Awesome bike to ride. As long as you're going in a straight line.
...and have 50 miles gas stops.
Boss Hoss getting a solid 5 mpg under full throttle . But I do love that V8 sound .
Wow that Boss looks clumsy in the any kind of turn. What a tank.
Unlike others bikes, it seems the rider must get the bike up themselves after leaning in a turn, the forces being weaker than the massive weight of the boss.
great vid! really gave me a good feel for what its like to ride the hoss...its half motorcycle half freight train
Updated Title Suggestion: Hoss V-8 vs Boss R1. Just sayin.
Good effort to the bloke on the Boss-Hog, thinking he’d have a go at the R1. I hope I’m still up for it at his age, however, I’ve got to say, it looks terrifying at some points. Also it goes a lot better than it stops. I seriously thought it was gonna rear end the R1 a couple of times. Power wheelie on demand from the R1 dude, great skills
Good on both of them, that’s what bikes are about.
Sorry about this, but as others have said, no gear ? I’m in the UK so it’s not like I have any chance to try it
The boss hoss is too powerful for the rider to use all of its motor. My great uncle had one back in 2006 and said he couldn't use more than half throttle because he got scared. He used to have a CR500 2 stroke, a 2006 GSXR 1000, and a 2003 Boss hoss 350ci. He sold it for the GSXR because the GSXR was easier to ride
2 gear auto , new ones got reverse as well ,without it prepare to squat min 700 in plates to walk it 😂
@huge asian x petite white I am referring to the bikes gearing
@@saltyfloridaman7163even with full power the boss hoss just couldnt get the r1
elephant vs horse...
elephant wins ^^
A slug vs a cheetah
More close to cheetah then horse
Worlds fastest elephant vs worlds slowest horse
This V8 doesn't have same forcing like a R1, fools
I rode a Boss Hoss once and it gave me a hip cramp that took the tests of the day to walk off. The thing is a freaking monster!
The Boss Hoss...for when you've tried everything else to be validated.
Jepp
The Boss Hoss, for when you have a bad case of micropenis...and just got out of the pool...🤣
Proof that power does not always lead to speed. But man, what awesome torque!!!
@wagon lover 🇸🇪 You mean acceleration. Yes, but you have to consider weight, gear ratios, and tire grip too.
The R1says:
"I go Really Fast on Daddy's Money"
The Boss Hoss says:
"I'm Stinking Rich and can have as many R1s as I want"
This might be the best R1 commercial in existence
Nah an r1 ripping it with a Lamborghini is a half decent commercial but pulling away from a boss hoss at maybe half throttle nah just looks dumb.
Nice to have friends who will wait up for you.
The fanboyism is real in here. Anyway, did anyone really expect the Hoss to win? Regardless of engine and power output, it's simply not built for speed. For one, it only has two gears. If anything, it's more about the novelty of having a v8 in a motorcycle. As a motorcycle, it's not going to be winning any races but it's definitely a bad ass bike and appeals to a certain crowd.
BOSS hog is for old men who cant ride/could never ride . r1 is for men who can ride and havent given up on life yet..
@@themysterycook7320 bro we can see your videos, you’re like 80 years old
Well said. I’m sure the boss hoss rider didn’t actually think he was gonna win, instead just wanted to mess around with another bike on the road
@@themysterycook7320 you must be worried about your homework instead
R1 = bullet.
Voss v8 = sledge hammer.
More like anvil.
I still can't understand how people ride with only a helmet for safety and nothing else. So stupid!
If you're gonna ride like that i tend to agree. Otherwise i say let people decide for themselves. They are old enough to weigh the pros with the cons
After the first nice road rash for 2 months, broken bones and scars, they will reconsider wearing more. Sometimes pain is the best teacher. Although this was not a real "race", the clothing is really questionable.
I wouldn't want my head to survive if I fell at those speeds wearing a t
Something tells me that no matter what you wear if you crash on that beast you gon die. Might as well be comfortable 🤨🤨
If it's really hot I understand but I'd still wear gloves and maybe a Kevlar hoodie.
But I would be riding like I was on my test, not screaming down the outside lane with my shirt riding up my back 😀
This guy is amazing! What kind of guts do you have to fly with a V8 engine! ! American bikers are crazy! Let the torque fly! !
Hi, diese Boss Hoss war eine 5,7 Liter mit 355PS und Vergaser ;-)
Hi this Boss Hoss was a 5,700 ccm mit 355HP and Carburettor ;-)
Rode one of these once and owned a Triumph Rocket III. Both of them really big bikes, but the Boss Hoss is a novelty. Nothing about it is a real motorcycle. It isn’t particularly fast for its displacement and it corners like an aircraft carrier. The Rocket III is an awesome big bike. Fast, comfortable, good handling, good looks, all around awesome bike. Needed the money and sold it, regret it everyday since. Will but another one soon.
If thats the boss he sure ain't telling nobody what to do! I'd be embarrassed for sure!
+kevin noneya Lmao.
WOW.. Mir fehlen die Worte. Einmal fahren, Y E S we can
Macht schon Spaß 👍😉
Ich bin erstaunt wie gut sich die Maschine händeln lässt. Es muss sehr viel Spaß machen sie zu fahren.
Hi, ich bin mit der Boss Hoss sehr gut zurecht gekommen und hatte 3 Jahre viel Spaß. Leider ist man nur am basteln gewesen, da hatte ich dann keine Lust mehr ;-)
Don’t sweat it Hoss, your rolling burnouts are not to be challenged!
EXACTLY! They can go on forever.
Damn why is everyone hating, both bikes look like a fucking blast
It was the “vs” bit that made me chuckle
Not gonna lie, that looks absolutely terrifying at speed. Looks wobbly as fuck.
That only looks like that ;-)
Das sieht nur so aus ;-)
Ziemlich geile Schutzkleidung die ihr da an habt.
@@Rudis_Garage Ist doch deren Entscheidung. Und sowas jmd zu wünschen ist ekelhaft
Schlimm für die Einsatzkräfte, die dann die Reste von der Straße kratzen müssen.
@@stevenk8189 Ich sag nur: Augen auf bei der Berufswahl!
@@Rudis_Garage Andere als Mongos bezeichnen und dann die schlimmsten Rechtschreibfehler in seiner Beschreibung haben...solche wie dich hab ich ganz besonders gerne.
Dann sollten sich auch einige Autofahrer vorsichtiger fortbewegen, oft werden diese übersehen, abartig und beschämend wie hier welche reagieren, beispielsweise auf einer Shopper, würde ich selber auch keine Schutzkleidung Anziehen, allein aus dem Feeling, bis auf Handschuhe, helm und rücken protector reicht es vollkommen aus.
Dennoch "jeden" seine Sache !
Die Rettungsdienste, klar schade für die, aber die bekommen ihr Geld für diesen Job, die Konsequenz trägt jeder für sich selber.
Nächste mal wenn ihr so ein Stuss raushaut, bitte die Synapsen anschließen und übern Tellerrand schauen
In this video you see a motorcycle with a 350 cubic inch engine lose in a straight line to a motorcycle with a 61 cubic inch engine. 5.7L vs 1.0L. Pathetic!
Weight different probably aerodynamics too and also engine built for speed versus for pulling. Bike engines are build like a race car engine super high rpms and compression to make big power.
Two gears are not enough. The low gear is too fast at idle (~25 mph) to take turns easily. The top gear is too tall for good acceleration and too low for easy highway cruising. I rode one a long time ago. I'd prefer a rice-rocket any day.
What Derek said weight and aerodynamics
its like the baddest walmart shopping cart on the entire planet.......
@@derekmaxwell8164 You could strap that R1 engine on that Boss Hoss, sandbag it till the weight matched the V8 bike and it would still win.
That’s like a speed boat racing a pontoon.
The best bike to teach everyone that there are replacements for displacement 😅😉
I love how wide the legs are apart of any Boss Hoss rider. Man must that hurt like hell after a while. Ergonomics and comfort from hell.
It's like strapping yourself to a whiskey barrel and getting pushed over niagra. This is like the Hummer H2 with 22" spinners of motorcycles, big, loud, and kind of pointless. But then again I'm not into cruisers so maybe I just don't get the appeal
@@mrRufffnTumble you take that back boss hoss is my baby (just joking) it be be comforting if you mod it many people keep it at factory level but changing something on it definitely makes it a lot more better
*a lot more betterer@@jasonjackson8111
Salute to my man for this sacrifice 🖖
Came for the video. Stayed for the comment section. You guys are hilarious.
It’s like watching a Kenworth chasing a Porsche.
Excellent decision to wear a full helmet with a face shield...Reduced the amount of dust he'd have to eat.
Tiny windshield on a Hoss is like me covering my mouth with my pinky while sneezing a mouthful of rice...
That was good ;-)
It's not about speed. It's about violence and momentum!
Exactly
Can’t wait to get my first bike. I was looking at a R1, A ninja 400 and a Ducati V2
Probably not a first bike - maybe give it a year or two
Wow. Love the sound of the V8.Thanks for the video.
Finally, a normal comment without naysaying!
@@semplar2007 Same here... two dudes on cool bikes had some fun, and suddenly everyone comparing the "race results" with technical details...
The speed, handling or easiness to ride, it has non of those. But I sure as hell would love to own one.
Guys, please read the description before you comment. For starters, you are comparing a super bike to a muscle cruiser. 2 different kinds of bikes. Second, you can see in the video the boss hoss guy is not even trying to catch up. Third, I rode a 434 last year and they are fast bikes on a straight line, hands down. But again, we're comparing 2 different kinds of monsters here. Besides, it's not about what you ride as long as you ride and experience that freedom and the wind in your face.
Very nicely written and someone who has read through the text. thumbs up
Sehr gut geschrieben und einer der sich mal den Text durchgelesen hat. Daumen hoch
That's right, they were just opening throttles a little bit, no one with common sense should expect that BH actually manages to ride as good as a sport bike pinnacle. I am totally surprised by commenters crying "boooo Boss Hoss lost the race with R1, what a craaaaaap" :)
@@korzbro35 Absolutely. I bought one a month ago. They're fantastic bikes and a head-turner anywhere you pull in. But these bikes cannot be compared to sport bikes, not even to Harleys. They're great in a straight line but turns and breaking are a challenge. My late Breakout would out-maneuver a boss hoss. They weigh 1300 pounds and they just want to keep going, hehe. Mine has dual disks in the front and single disk in the rear wheel and it still has a hard time stopping. Definitely cannot drive it like a sport bike. If you do, you're liable to hurt yourself or others. I'm a big guy 6'3" and i have a hard time handling it. Most definitely not a bike for starters or the faint of heart!!
@@waltercelario6686 Congratulations man! This is one mean dragon. Almost 600 kgs, hard to imagine how it feels, I guess you have to experience it to know. Moving from HD Breakout, that's not quite an upgrade, huh? Like you said, that's a different kind of bike, more weight and more power does not automatically mean everything is better, not handling for sure ;) Ride safe!
@@korzbro35 that's right. If you want to experience what it's like to ride one, look for the dealership closest to you. They hold yearly open houses and they have demo bikes for you to ride.
I'd love to start riding & Im pretty sure I'll get a Hoss V8 to match the V8 ute that should be my profile pic.
& the Yamaha escaped to it's natural habitat of Twisties...
A 1800 wing could run with the boss and leave him in the dust on the back roads
Босс ничего не должен доказывать. Он просто босс
Genau.
I'm glad the boss man did not let the fact that he had a passenger, escape from him. Age, wisdom and experience......
I see your both sporting natural leathers..nice
Nice one
By the time the engine spools up the R1 is gone. No contest.
The r1 is meant for speed 😂, has more aerodynamics, better rpm's and weighs awhole lot less
As dumb as they are, I still want a Boss Hoss at some point 😂 the TVR Speed 12 of bikes. Between one of these and an MTT Y2K I’d be happy forever
Coool bro, you kept up with a bike with an engine a quarter of the size
And given the age of this video, likely only ONE transmission speed… Newer Bosses have 2 or 3 speeds. The problem is getting the available power to the ground and utilizing it.
A Boss Hoss is like saying " Just take the car! " It is a car.
In a race between the turtle and the hare, sometimes the hare actually wins (lol).
It be like that some times that r1 just a couple hundred pounds lighter. Great vid tho y’all stay safe stay blessed
Dankeschön thank you very much
@@turbine35 donkeyshit on you also eu
I’m a full believer that it doesn’t matter what size cruiser you get. They’re all slow lol. This makes me completely certain
If you think so!
VMAX 1700
You can kinda tell he's a little cautious of the curves
Doesn't seem like he counter steers.
The guy (Boss Hoss) must've just been seeing what his bike could do against an R1. No way he thinks he could actually beat an R1, right? He "kinda" kept up on the 2nd run when the R1 was doing a wheelie. Once that front end of the R1 is down, GG, my friend!
Yep, seemed like he was getting waxed to me. It would be majorly scary to really crack that thing open though. I think the only race he would win would be roll on from seventy.
Imagine a Busa or a ZX1400 or a 1000RR...
So long, Sucker!
love that paint job
I see the Boss Hogg gets about as much respect as Steven Seagull these days 🤣
I love it, it’s a beast💥🎶🎶😬
1:06 That R1 literally flew away
Insulted
The dude is just playing you dont wheelie to go faster lol
@@MrZ1000fam maybe in gta v you will go faster by wheelies 😅
@@MrZ1000fam exactly, and the dude still left the Hoss while doing one. Insult to injury
The R-1 was killin ya. The rider on the R-1 knows how to ride. Riding the front wheel off the ground at what 70+ mph? Yes, that guy definitely knows how to ride.
SO much torque does your Boss hoss have? ALL OF IT!
Ears hear car sound eyes see motorcycle my brain is stopped
That was probably the original idea!
boss has no chance against even a 600cc supersport :D
It's very nice to ride like this with the breeze!👍👍👍
Thats a demosnstration that weight and aereodinamics matter.
Если мы только что наблюдали соревнование, то эрка победила. Отдельного упоминания заслуживает экипировка наездников.
When you have useless 400+ HP.
Useless 355hp
A V-8 on a bike is really just a novelty. You can go fast on a cruiser. But, sport bike acceleration is a whole other level of fast. Crotch rocket is a very accurate nickname! Lol
Ha Ha
My personal opinion, I think the Hoss driver exercised more restraint than the R1 driver.
Exactly Genau!
just shows its not all about cc or hp.
***** its more about power to weight ratios, and especially aerodynamics
+garry thomas It's about everything combined you tards. "facepalm
Anon Ymous No shit. what is everything? how many candles walmart sold in the 1980's? no, not everything. I just put the main points. It's not "everything" as you said tard *facepalms*
In this particular case...It's about who can get their tire to hook...Because I'm here to tell you, running 500hp through one 280 tire is NEVER going to Hook enough to use the power of a Boss Hoss.
Its power to weight and keeping the power to the road. You can have a 2000hp car that weighs the same as a 700hp car yet cant accelerate as quick simply because the power gets wasted on tire spin. That v8 has way more power, but its pointless because it cant be used to accelerate.
To clear this up they are two different engines and there is no other engines that comes even close to the performance of sport bike engines because they can Rev so high, since there stroke is so short. Sport bike engines are superior to any other engine including electric ---- price to performance.
Except to formula 1
T shirts at them speeds just gives me anxiety haha. A true badass doesn’t care tho 👍
Oh, well. There are some obstacles with cruisers that just can't be overcome when racing a crotch rocket that is designed specifically for speed. It was a valiant effort though.
Genau :-)
Beide ohne Schutzkleidung :-(
Slamy's Game Music
Das kann ich schon nicht mehr hören!
Wenn ich mit 700kg einschlage hilft auch keine Schutzkleidung!
turbine35 Die Schutzkleidung soll ja auch nicht den Einschlag abfangen sondern wenn du über den Asphalt rutschst dass du dann keine Spur aus Fleisch, Blut und Knochen über den Asphalt ziehst.
Denk mal an die armen Menschen von der Straßenmeisterei die dann mit dem Schlauch kommen müssen :D
Ich denke deshalb der Kommentar mit der Schutzkleidung :)
oSJme Immerhin einer der meine Meinung teilt. Man wird hier in dieser Community schnell als Moralapostel beschimpft. Im Endeffekt muss es jeder selbst wissen.
Ich lass das mal so stehen, damit das keiner nach macht!
Natürlich habt ihr recht und ich gelobe Besserung!
+Slamy's Game Music
echt ma wayens... is doch ihre sache! isses so wenn man nur t-shirt an hat das man andere verkehrsteilnehmen damit nen turban wickelt? oder warum is das so schlimm?
Amazing to see how the drivers are "dressed". One small stone on the road and it's over. Nice bikes anyway !
If that was true there would be no riders left.
It’s all about power delivery and rider ability.
Very raw stuff...
why on earth would anyone need a V8 on a bike???
why wouldnt anyone want a v8 powered bike haha
why wouldnt anyone want a v8 powered bike haha
+James Y They have more money than common sense.
+James Y i know! in a century in wich the w16 was invented we still move around with only 4 pewnie cylinders.
If it's not V8 it ain't real american
Time for more chrome on da boss hoss!!
Anybody who rides a bike in a t-shirt has never gone down lol
Doch ich, 1 Jahr Klinikum Göttingen 1984.
Kinda like comparing apples to lemons really. MOO!