This is because at the calf's most extended possible flexion, only the soleus can flex that far down, the calf muscles when flexed fall slightly shorter than full extension
@@armywhammer-dc9qk No because the calf can be used from fully stretched to a little past halfway flexed and cannot perform when fully extended, try flexing your ankle down as far as it goes and hold it, you will feel this in only your soleus, not your calf muscles (gastrocnemius, the one we want to grow)
@@armywhammer-dc9qk No I purely meant as far as the flex can extend but I completely understand extensions usually meaning the other way lol, thank you
Jeff Nippard also preaches this, I think it's great. As long as your form doesn't break down doing lengthened partials at the end of a set really squeezes out all the growth
Nooo, these people who live and breathe fitness and train 6 times a week can't possibly have enough time to do a complete set plus some partials, it has to be either one or the other.
Actually, Jeff Nippard and partners conducted a study on Full Range of Motion vs Lengthened Partials, where they gathered experienced lifters with more than 5 years of lifting, and trained one half of their body with full range of motion and the other half with lengthened partials. I think they trained for 3 months. The results pointed out that there was little to no difference, with the full ROM benefiting some muscle groups and the lengthened partials benefiting others, so there was no real noticeable difference.
What you're referring to is for full body muscle growth where he is talking specifically for calves. Different muscles respond in different ways. For example traps might respond to explosive high weight but mid back may respond better to less explosive lower weights (this is my experience as an example not a scientific one)
@@lukewiggin3979 BS, just train normally and results will come, i tried all these shananigans for a whole year and didnt notice any difference and then went back to normal training like old school
Actually you're partially correct. For the calves specifically this study was done with an experienced lifter, who experimented with all three variations. For other body parts yes you're correct, but calves specifically grow better with lengthened partials
@lukewiggin3979 Ohh Okay I thought the main idea of the video was talking about the full ROM vs. LPs as for the whole body, and they gave calves as an example. Thanks for the info, tho
Everyone is going to start doing partial reps everything and make mediocre gains (or lose mass) when they could've just done full reps with a pause at the stretched part. No amount of gimmicks will replace what's known to work for decades. Train moderate (6-12 reps) to heavy(1-5 reps) and close to failure, bump up the weight when you reach the top of your reps/sets. Train each muscle 2-3x a week with 8-16 sets per muscle group per week, most people can get away with the low volume and 2x frequency.
Why would EVERYONE start doing partials for EVERYTHING when this is specific to calf training? I think the calves are a pretty unique muscle group, so it may benefit from a different training stimulus compared to others.
If partials in the stretched position produce as much or more muscle gain than full ROM, it becomes more efficient (from a pure muscle gain standpoint) to mostly do stretched partials because completing the full ROM is more fatiguing per completed rep than a stretched partial would be. The muscle is also at its weakest in the stretched position, so it's not as though you're not testing yourself by doing stretched partials. It's not a gimmick if there is significant, compiling scientific evidence that it works. Dismissing it as such-if the research continues to pan out in its favor-is handwaving a possibly highly effective tool just because it's new.
@gschum7885 I have seen people doing bicep curls laying on a flat bench for the "full stretch". It's similar to the the spam side laterals gimmick for big shoulders.
@@guhhhh because that full stretch matters for hypertrophy. if you don't like a movement don't do it, but calling it dumb or a gimmick when the science shows its efficacy makes you the fool not everyone else
He's talking about how calf raises should pretty much only be done in either full range of motion (from [heels below toes] to [heels as high]) or to the halfway point (heels at the same level as toes). The result is that you get more growth doing the latter version than the former, which also does more than going from flat footed to up. This is from a previous video where Dr. Mike and his guest talked about stuff for about an hour and a half.
This is because at the calf's most extended possible flexion, only the soleus can flex that far down, the calf muscles when flexed fall slightly shorter than full extension
Would this not mean that you'd see less growth in the other calf muscles with lengthened partials
@@armywhammer-dc9qkthe soleus is extremely slow twitch and gastroc more fast twitch
@@armywhammer-dc9qk No because the calf can be used from fully stretched to a little past halfway flexed and cannot perform when fully extended, try flexing your ankle down as far as it goes and hold it, you will feel this in only your soleus, not your calf muscles (gastrocnemius, the one we want to grow)
@MiamiDevil ahh! i misinterpreted extension as being in the stretched position. Awesome piece of info by the way
@@armywhammer-dc9qk No I purely meant as far as the flex can extend but I completely understand extensions usually meaning the other way lol, thank you
Leather sofas are practical when casting.
Maybe we could do full ROM and once you can no longer do that continue with lengthened partials?
So basically like lengthened partials as a drop set kinda deal? Sounds good to me
Just what I was going to say
Jeff Nippard also preaches this, I think it's great. As long as your form doesn't break down doing lengthened partials at the end of a set really squeezes out all the growth
arent you a smart cookie
This is what I do. The burn is insane.
Dr Mike knows everything under the sun, can’t dispute him.
@kalebhaynes977 I mean he's got a phd
@ no way !? I had no idea, never heard that before. I just thought he was a really smart dude that knew everything !
@kalebhaynes977 what's crazier is that he's a professor too. You won't believe in which field
@@smartgamer5142 hmmmmm let me guess gender studies ?
Or just do partials at the end of working sets ?
Nooo, these people who live and breathe fitness and train 6 times a week can't possibly have enough time to do a complete set plus some partials, it has to be either one or the other.
Actually, Jeff Nippard and partners conducted a study on Full Range of Motion vs Lengthened Partials, where they gathered experienced lifters with more than 5 years of lifting, and trained one half of their body with full range of motion and the other half with lengthened partials. I think they trained for 3 months. The results pointed out that there was little to no difference, with the full ROM benefiting some muscle groups and the lengthened partials benefiting others, so there was no real noticeable difference.
What you're referring to is for full body muscle growth where he is talking specifically for calves. Different muscles respond in different ways. For example traps might respond to explosive high weight but mid back may respond better to less explosive lower weights (this is my experience as an example not a scientific one)
@@lukewiggin3979huge clickbait with the title of the short though.
And ragebait for people who see right through the stretch based hypertrophy bs😭
@@lukewiggin3979 BS, just train normally and results will come, i tried all these shananigans for a whole year and didnt notice any difference and then went back to normal training like old school
Actually you're partially correct. For the calves specifically this study was done with an experienced lifter, who experimented with all three variations. For other body parts yes you're correct, but calves specifically grow better with lengthened partials
@lukewiggin3979
Ohh Okay
I thought the main idea of the video was talking about the full ROM vs. LPs as for the whole body, and they gave calves as an example.
Thanks for the info, tho
Caroline Garvin, do these types of workouts
hold for 1 second at top neutral and bottom
though at the bottom youre not really holding
Partial.. does that mean half rom?
@Skimautomaat
Not necessarily, it means training the muscle while in its stretched or "lengthened" form, thus its name.
🤓 this person.
Full ROM is killing your gains
One study...
Hello Dr Mike. Do you have a preference of blasting & cruising vs cycling on and off?
lotta bots in the comments
Where do they come from?
@ no idea
these commenters are gullible as usual getting swayed by 1 short. stick to basics
Everyone is going to start doing partial reps everything and make mediocre gains (or lose mass) when they could've just done full reps with a pause at the stretched part. No amount of gimmicks will replace what's known to work for decades.
Train moderate (6-12 reps) to heavy(1-5 reps) and close to failure, bump up the weight when you reach the top of your reps/sets. Train each muscle 2-3x a week with 8-16 sets per muscle group per week, most people can get away with the low volume and 2x frequency.
Why would EVERYONE start doing partials for EVERYTHING when this is specific to calf training? I think the calves are a pretty unique muscle group, so it may benefit from a different training stimulus compared to others.
If partials in the stretched position produce as much or more muscle gain than full ROM, it becomes more efficient (from a pure muscle gain standpoint) to mostly do stretched partials because completing the full ROM is more fatiguing per completed rep than a stretched partial would be.
The muscle is also at its weakest in the stretched position, so it's not as though you're not testing yourself by doing stretched partials.
It's not a gimmick if there is significant, compiling scientific evidence that it works. Dismissing it as such-if the research continues to pan out in its favor-is handwaving a possibly highly effective tool just because it's new.
@gschum7885 I have seen people doing bicep curls laying on a flat bench for the "full stretch". It's similar to the the spam side laterals gimmick for big shoulders.
Lmao what a goon. Why did people start farming when hunting and gathering worked for millennia?
@@guhhhh because that full stretch matters for hypertrophy. if you don't like a movement don't do it, but calling it dumb or a gimmick when the science shows its efficacy makes you the fool not everyone else
What is he talking about? And of course the video thats linked is to something else
He's talking about how calf raises should pretty much only be done in either full range of motion (from [heels below toes] to [heels as high]) or to the halfway point (heels at the same level as toes). The result is that you get more growth doing the latter version than the former, which also does more than going from flat footed to up.
This is from a previous video where Dr. Mike and his guest talked about stuff for about an hour and a half.
Lame