LLinusLLove v Jungleman | Dueling Weak Pairs | GTO✓ Preview
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- Analysis of high stakes cash game in Triton and a preview of my hand analysis system.
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i could watch these breakdowns all day
Guess if someone wants to catch up to a guy like Loeliger that's exactly whats needed.
Michael you might have to install pio into your head to do thst
These are top tier heuristics for making GTO decisions in real time. Just wow.
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I keep rewatching this vid. I think it's your best work yet, can't wait for more videos as well as further expansion of the introduced model.
Your videos continue to be my favourite. Even as a casual player, everything is so well explored without unnecessarily dragging. Very excited to see that upcoming product!
Also, regarding the table talk mid-video, I love the flats as it makes reading stacks and bets easier for when you aren't paying... a GTO amount of attention to whats going on.
Love the Jungleman intro music. Absolute genius.
in a spot like this i would comment "first" about 75% of the time but this time i'm not going to, to keep my commenting range balanced
I'll check behind
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So were you first? Or you just comment it anyways?
your commenting frequencies are on point
@@sriracha9729 it was indeed the first comment
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I already thought BenCBs stuff is way above my head - until I found this channel xD. Great video!
Excellent work! Keep following your work since the beginning.
Still watching these, still some of the best breakdowns on the internet✊🏽💪🏽✌🏽
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This is just such great content, its hard to believe its free. I look forward to every new release from Finding Equilibrium. The only downside is that it makes me realize how awful I really am at this game and how much I have to learn.
I think the reason for preferring to raise the turn with 8d8x combos is that you don't really want to just pile in all the money against a hand like 8d7d, which is a hand I'd be much more afraid of in Linus shoes than J8 (jungle may not even have any J8 combos in his pre cold calling range).
This was my favorite video from you!
You produce the best, most educational Poker content on TH-cam... I Learn something new every time...
Thank you so much... You'd make a great coach by the way ; )
This might be the best youtube video on GTO hand analysis to date.
The "blueprint" supplies an extremely valuable tool both for deciphering solver outputs & for forming strategic plans. One element of it that I hope you explore in future explications is how range-polarization betting strategies fit in.
Amazing content! Looking forward to new videos.
Dude, these videos are amazing. I’ve yet to find another hand analysis channel that breaks down and explains player vs solver decisions, and WHY they make those decisions. I find myself thinking about poker on a progressively higher level after viewing. Keep it up man.
That was great as usual! Thanks!
How do we make the determination for whether or not the macroanalysis points to a mixed strategy, or for when the mesoanalysis points to a mixed strategy?
Superb analysis, thx! Linus has a similar computer in his head, lol. I like his game.
Can I ask you a question: what happens when Linus block-bets KK on the river (as it is suggested by PIO) and then get raised? Does he fold in that case? I am curious because it seems that block-bets are not balanced by betting straights. Why is that? I think that the answer would help me improve a lot.
It calls to a 3x raise, but I am not sure what happens facing a shove. Kings would be very strong here despite the board and I think the solver is more inclined to balance against weaker holdings. For example, the solver also donks with some top pairs, two pairs and bluffs, so I think the Kings are actually balancing those weaker holdings.
@@FindingEquilibrium Thank you very much :)
It's hard to describe in words how valueable Your videos are i think we would need to innovate new langue for this. :) Thanks for it and keeep it balance. :)
Have come back to this video multiple times. Am really curious about this product you say you have in development. Will there be an announcement when it's available?
A question about your macro-analysis system: you see range advantage, position and SPR as three seperate measures. But doesn't a shallower SPR automatically decrease the value of being in position and vice versa? Or is this only true for (weaker) made hands thus boiling down to what you state about SPR?
They are separated so that the user considers each factor, but you are right, they should all be considered together and SPR can impact both range advantage and position. In my longer form guide, I recommend considering SPR first before anything else.
I just found your channel and I find it amazing. Would you mind sharing your macro, meso and micro analysis power point?
Your line of thinking resembles a cybernetic system I have not seen before. I would love to see it perform in a live sample. That would definitely tickle my fancy
William Black Linus Love is the closest thing poker has to a live solver right now. He, for the most part, shuns exploitative play and understands solver ranges better than anyone else. He is also the current number one NLH cash game player in the world.
Great video. In the segment 18:00-19:00, how come Jungle's TT is mainly a check on the K river and a bet on the deuce river?
K brings in another straight, which makes a set of Ts a bit weaker. It also makes KK a set. Essentially, while a set of Ts is normally a nutted hand, many hands beat a set, especially on the K river; TT are a middling strength hand on K river, while they are still good enough to go for value on a brick river
Literally just watched this Triton episode yesterday. Great video. Do you have anything highlighting when to completely give up?
I have thoughts on that. I may elaborate on it if I do a video focused on bluffing
These are the best poker strategy videos!! Great job!!
@Finding Equilibrium how can i find those PDF files of Pluribs ???
I think we should raise with the 8x8d since having the 8d makes it such that the opponent will not get a free roll with a hand like Ad8d.
lol just posted the exact same thing and then read your comment :P
He can't have Ad8d because you block the 8d.
That’s why we should raise with 8d and not without it. To avoid getting free rolled.
And fold out villains bluffs? Sounds horrible.
Top caliber production. Only critical feedback is it was a pretty losing play to cut ike in saying "I don't know I have played in games with 100,00$ chips and it still felt special." such an epic quote
You should try and do some break down on some of Charlie Carrels hands!
Great vids! Thanks
loved the intro :)
Betting combos with 1 flush draw card only increases the EV by a tiny amount because the opponent then factors it into his calling frequency with flush draws.
great stuff dude. is there any heuristic you can share when it comes to betting small ott, so we can set the price for the river. maybe not the best example with 55, but this spot got me thinking, how do i know when to bet ott with the intention of checking back otr or risk facing a big bet otr when i check the turn. thanks again, these videos really help
can anyone make out what jungle says when he is called on river?
They may not be deep enough here for this to come into play but when stacks are deep having the 8d is very important when deciding whether or not to raise and possibly play for stacks. The chance that your opponent has the nut straight is pretty low but you must take into account the possibility of the diamond freeroll. Having the 8d tells you that your opponent can't be freerolling and if you're deep enough the threat of the nut straight combined with the possibility that you're freerolling might be enough to push him off a chop.
really great video!
@Finding Equilibrium, do you have any promotion codes for piosolver?
No sorry.
regarding the 8 of diamonds at 15:30, pretending that the sole 8d doesnt make a straight in this situation, it could be because holding the 8d allows you to rep a bluff raise while holding value (keeping flush draws including the 8d in your range for this specific decision node)
Feels like I'm cheating because I'm supposed to pay to see this. Subbed
At 15.34 you talk about raising 88 with a diamond and not without and say you are not sure why. Is it the case that if we block diamond combinations, we reduce the chance villain has a flush draw, and therefore increase the chance that he has a made hand, and there is higher chance our raise will get called? Especially sets as they have additional full house outs even if behind, therefore cannot really fold to the raise. Also, if we unblock flush draws then on non-flush completing rivers there is a good chance that villain may continue to bluff their missed draw and we get an extra street of value from them. Just my thoughts, could be wrong.
that was my exact assumption also.
My logic would have been opposite on the turn in regards to having the 8 diamonds. Wouldn't we need less protection with the diamond so we can check more? And conversely, bet the 88 with no diamond?
But isn’t the solver raising for value in this case with the straight?
@@Gos1234567 well, it would be for value in either case. the question is how we should split up our range for balance.
I wondered this too, Daniel. From a pure vulnerability standpoint, raise without a diamond/call with a diamond seems like the preferred strategy. On the flipside, Finding Equilibrium's analysis argument in favor of the solver's approach seems to be that calling without blockers means that we will lose a smaller pot when villain does river a flush and raising with blockers means villain will be continuing to the river less often with flush draws. Then the question would be which strategy provides greater benefits, your protection framework or the solver's (apparent) framework of pot control based on probability of winning the hand. I'm inclined to think that your framework provides more benefits since our opponent will only complete a flush draw on the river around 20-25% of the time and that flush draws are only part of the range he would continue to the river with in the first place.
Id guess the logic is that iff you're high enough up in your range that you can't fold the river when the flush comes you should want a smaller pot when a flush is a greater portion of villains range
15:03-15:32 That makes some sense. The decision about which combos of 88 to raise with is based on blocking our opponent's strong draws.
Originally I had a brain fart and was thinking that it was possible for Linus to have a diamond flush draw with 88 on the turn. In that world, I would reverse the solver's strategy. Call with the higher equity/less vulnerable diamond combos and raise with the lower equity/more vulnerable non-diamond combos. It would be a close decision in the context that even a straight without a flush redraw is a low vulnerability hand on that board.
Pretty sure the reason you would raise more with 8d8x is that your opponent cannot have 8xdd, in which you are in the worst spot in poker: You can only chop, but you can lose. I'm also pretty sure all 8xdd would be a 3bet on the turn in Jungleman's spot given that reason
15:16 maybe because if villain have less flush draw in this range then he got more made hand that can pay hero wile being behind.
15:30 Also the times you raise into 8xdd and get drawn out on, you lose a smaller pot than you otherwise would
I think the main idea here is that when raising we really wanna block the 8xdd hands that are freerolling us for the whole pot.
Nuno Álvarez Nieto we’re saying the same thing :) pretty neat that the AI figured that out. I’m guessing it got destroyed for a huge pot in several thousand of these spots
I agree that blocking a hand that is freerolling against us is the best explanation, but I'd also suggest a secondary reason, which is that by blocking villain's draw, it slightly weights his range toward made value hands which could get all-in on the turn vs our nut hand (as opposed to his draws which might fold if we x/r turn).
I believe it’s to avoid getting freerolled, as you say we block his bluffs but if he had 8xdd it’s not a draw it’s a straight
Solver showing a c/r with the 8 diamonds on the turn is something I would expect most people (including pro's) would advise against if commenting on the fly. I hear it so much now in live analysis about how this blocks his possible flush draws that make up his continuing range. What do you guys think? What could be the rational for the solver wanting to c/r here with eights that have the 8d?
there are no draws with 8d, as they are all a straight on the turn
In your flow chart you need to add "give up" IMO.
Harry Cardillo he does have check fold under non showdown
In terms of folds this is supposed to be addressed generally by the "Bet Ceiling", but I suppose it's more clear to refer to it as "Bet/Call Ceiling".
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Am I the only one who noticed the urgency in juglemans bettings.
great video. But i have to say you used range it was pokermaster 10/20/40(10ante) and each player 50straddle stack. If u used 100straddle or more ,u will see AA not includ calling range .
To summarise, Jungleman made a number of logical errors. Firstly, he bet the flop with the intention of representing a straight on the turn. However, most gutshot and open-ended straights would be content to check the flop to make their straight, since being check-raised would often lead to folding. Secondly, a made straight would often set a trap on the turn by checking to the river. With a straight on the board, a lot of overpairs and sets will want to get to showdown and may fold to a bet on the turn. In order to represent a straight, checking might be better. Thirdly, after getting called on two streets of value and being checked to, any made straight would probably jam rather than bet as the only hand that dominates the A8s hand Jungle is repping is probably QJs with diamonds. Not many other hands call a large bet here. However, if you check the turn and then jam the river, one could make the argument that you represent a bluff that would get called by sets and overpairs putting you on a missed straight or flush, or perhaps even a made two pair like K9s. Jamming the river has the added effect of allowing you to get more folds in spots where you miss a flush or straight after probe-betting the flop and checking down the turn which is an immensely valuable bluff to have.
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this guy is a balanced customer..such a relief from polk
love it ty
ETA on when your course will be released?
I thought it would be released a long time ago. Unfortunately, I am not a programmer, so I am relying on others and I am finding that deadlines are really hard to predict.
@@FindingEquilibrium Still no news about this? Will it be accessible to the common mortal like me? :) Thank you for your videos anyway!
Thanks bro
The reason it raises with 88 with diamonds is that the opponent cannot freeroll him. If you don't have a diamond then you want to see a non-diamond card on the river, or if you see a diamond you will minimize your loss by check-calling a normal size bet.
Think about it, 8d block only a flush draw that also has a straight. It does not block pure flush draws that don't have a straight. Also, all 88 combos have a mixed strategy and in all mixed strategies it is the same EV for both decisions (call or raise) from a GTO perspective. If you run PIO long enough you will get exactly zero difference in EV. For that reason, there is no point in comparing EV difference in mixed strategies because it will always be zero.
The reason that there is no EV difference for hands with a mixed strategy is simple. Nash equilibrium says that the opponent cannot gain ev by changing its strategy. If there was EV difference then he could always choose the strategy with better EV.
For this reason, you never have to explain that there is no difference in EV for mixed strategy hands.
You may be right, but when I refer to flush blockers, I am not just talking about cards in villain's hand, but also the cards in the deck .
Just the best content. Thanks so much man. Have you a Patreon?
No not at the moment.
@@FindingEquilibrium you should definitely start one! This is top tier educational content! While many won't, the some that do feel obligated to reimburse you for the free lesson will surely make these videos +EV to continue creating! Excellent stuff man!
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These are GREAT breakdowns. But for example I think Jungle knows Llinus can't have hands like AK when he c/c's the flop of 987. While theoretically GTO to do so, practically most players will fold AK there because it's extremely hard to play OOP and balance perfectly. So by the turn, Jungleman knows he's behind 100% of the time. And the turn gives him an opportunity to possibly fold out better hands.
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I think the reason, why the 88 with a diamond prefer raising is so they don't get freerolled by 8dxd
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Obviously this video analysis isn't going very deep but even so the person says some things that seem silly to me, like when he points out that the EV between raising and calling are close at about the 6 minute mark. Isn't that going to be the case every time that you both raise and call at some frequency in GTO play? Because under GTO you always do the most +EV move.
Hopp Schwiiz! Icecold he breaks jungle apart...
What stakes do you play?
NL2 but study NL40k :^) jk
Mainly live cash midstakes.
that intro was GTO af
I swear llinus has thousands solvers in his head, amazing work ethic behind his moves.
About time somebody approached decision-making systematically. It drives me crazy when a poker analyst is always talking about blockers (cough Doug Polk cough) when they have absolutely no relevance to the decision at hand.
I'm not a great player but I get very little out of watching Doug Polk. The analysis on this channel is more complex, n much of it I don't understand, still what I do understand seems to make a lot of sense.
Even the smaller raise pre flop by Linus indicating a broader range is noteworthy n something I don't think Polk would mention. Some people are good at doing only, and some are good at doing and showing how/why to do - teaching.
Range Wilson Polk always advises calling with a marginal hand that blocks the nut straight when the chances V has those hands are tiny and he has a ton of other hands that beat you.His advice will lose a lot of money for lower stakes players
Still top video=)
you could also say that jungle just donks off a shit load of Money there...
super weird call instead of raise on the River
Jungleman rolling his eyes like a schoolgirl
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Can you please do a not GTO episode on Mike Postle
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moral of the story, linanus is a total fkn luckbox
Jungle is one of the most awkward guys to watch play live. He looks uncomfortable (expression, movements, everything) 100% of the time to me. Not making fun of him he's a great player just an observation.
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Linux plays too passive
CTO is better. Just saying
It's not necesarry to make such a long analysis to understand that jungle man plays like a stupid donk🤣