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- Pio solver analysis of Triton Super High Roller No Limit Hold Em Hand Between LLinus LLove and Steve Odwyer
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raising those top pair no kicker for info. Those fishes back in the day had it right since the beginning!
Turns out donk betting is a big AI thing aswell.
@@Gos1234567 So is open limping :o
@@ukrobochips8817 And min-raising from utg.
@@marlboro1771 But that's been standard practice for years hasn't it?
Great concept for a poker channel. Looking forward to all future content.
10:19 The solver never makes minus ev plays, mixed strategies means all lines have the same ev, in this case raising is 0 ev. You'll see the ev's converging as you let the solver run.
Loved the hand choice and Solver Analysis, well done!
What a great video. Please make more of these, I think solvers are fascinating and your analysis is excellent.
Linus recently finished Negreanu's Masterclass.
... he now understands that everything he does at the poker table conveys information.
He definitely isn’t sitting there loosey goosey eating a sandwich. He’s really sticking to the core strategy.
I don't think trolling Daniel for that pathetic advert will ever get old. I laugh out loud for a min. every time I see it. Cheers!
lozgod the sandwich industry are not happy with that advice.
gerry o sullivan Wonder Bread has pulled all of their Danny Negraneu endorsements. They now sponsor Phil Ivey who’s masterclass doesn’t attempt to shame the sandwich industry.
You should upload new videos at a higher frequency 😁
This is gold mine content for those who cannot afford Pio... So thanks a lot, looking forward for more
if you can't afford pio, you probably don't need pio ;)
RafiVegas u aint got pio fam
GTO+ has 99% features of Pio and costs 75$ ;)
@@SimonasMorkunas looks like shit thou 🤣
Wow, going back and watching this your production and presentation value has grown immensely. Nice work. This is still an interesting video, but your current work is light years ahead. Good job.
Those guys studied the game so much that they can implement piosolver strategy in real time flawlessly. Super amazed.
ist actuallly not so hard , just study 1 year 3 Hours a day
@@mrsalt548 that's very specific!
Cool channel and video (Y) You can select 'square size to proportional weight' so that all the starting range isn't in your turn and river range, it gives a better overview of the range that goes post-flop. Thanks and gl
Nice! One recommendation: In the next video select the "square size proportional to weight" and "bars width proportional to weight" squares, so we can see the actual frequencies of the hands
I just found my favourite channel on TH-cam! This stuff is $$$$ in my pocket. Thankyou!!!!!
I like this type of analysis, good video. Basically llinusllove played it perfectly
Really enjoyed this hand breakdown. It’s refreshing and comes from a different angle as you said. Looking forward to more.
Saw it. loved it, subbed it! Since I haven't got Pio yet, this is, for me, by far the most giving experience regarding GTO play. Keep it up, you're doing a really great work here :)
What does pio say about ike not brushing his hands through his hair so he doesn't look like hes dripping in grease
More of the same please, good job!!👍
Great analysis. I think its important to note that what allows Linus to XR some marginal hands otf is the presence of the nutted hands (sets) in his range as well. He will also incorporate some nutted hands in his small river probing range to protect himself.
You often see hands like oesd + flush draw Xing back IP and hands with similar equity, not because we are afraid of getting blown off our hand because those hands will never be folding. I think hands like this play better as BXB bluffs than 3barrel bluffs given we block so many draws and just prefer to realize equity
Please,keep these videos coming. You are about to blow up. Great stuff.
to understand the range better, I would advise to check the box - square size proportional to wight
Yeah thanks. I normally do but in later streets sometimes it becomes hard to see. I will try to keep that checked as much as possible.
You def earned a subscriber after this video, more piosolver videos please !!!
This is a great format, keep them coming please!
Pio says O’Dwyer should bet pot because of the massive polarity in his range. When going into the range explorer you see he rarely has pairs but has tons of air and overpairs and sets which are the effective nut hands here. Such polarity warrants a large bet sizing. Love these videos though, motivated me to start my own solver work.
Good video. You should click "square size proportional to weight" on the right side of the browser. It makes it easier to visualize an accurate range.
Thanks. Yes, I try to do more of that in later vids.
Ty so much for showing us how the solvers works.
Linus river range in this video is the same as his preflop range so apparently something went wrong here with regards to prior action range adjustments.
Great video. Shows how great both the players actually are.
Its a little strange having the T7o call but no j9-k9
I think the k7-8o and q7-8o can be ok polar 3bets at certain stack depths (not the 80bb effective. Here linear with some mixed board coverage suited connector/gapper and some axs makes more sense at this stack) to differing frequencies.
Have you made all these combos as pure polar 3b? (The j7-j9, q7-q9 k7-k9?)
You need to do something about this gaping leak in this preflop range and re do the sim
Yes Im trying to be more mindful of the opening ranges in later videos.
I’m still confused about why Dwyer should check behind the turn. I play $50nl online and in Dwyers shoes
I would just go ahead and bet the turn thinking BB was just messing around or “seeing where he’s at” and giving up on the turn and I could get him to fold a 9x type hand or just his junk and I can deny equity. I wouldn’t expect 50nl population to ever go for the x/r flop, x/r turn as a bluff so if that were to happen I would fold. Perhaps at these stakes things are different so Dwyer doesn’t want to get blown off his hand.
Some quality poker content! You got yourself a new subscriber
Very nice idea and good explanation. Loved to see the actual HD video cuts not a real time recording because it looks laggy and stuff. Cheers!
im going to try downloading the youtube vid per someone's suggestion
I think it's really interesting how Linus's postflop skills allow him to play a very wide range in a lot of situations. The very large continuation bet on the flop followed by a lot of passive play from late position screams draw or weak made hand. A5hh is really about the only hand that got there on the river, and it's only one combo versus a ton of bluffs in button's range. I like Linus's play on every street, although my first inclination was to donk bet the flop because the flop hits the BB's range so much better than the button's. I block top set, and I expect overcards to fold out either on the flop or to a turn barrel. Thinking ahead though, what do I do if an Ace, King, or Queen hits the turn? Checking gives the button carte blanche to take the pot away. Check raising your continuing range seems like a better candidate, as it will often dissuade the button from being aggressive on any turn card that hits their range. In fact, the button hit the perfect card on the turn, which gave them a ton of added equity (in fact making them the favorite in the hand), but fearing 2 pr or a set, the button couldn't find the large bet to take the pot away.
Why a Hands like K9o, Q9o, J9o not in his BB callingrange, but hands like 96o and 107o are?
mistake!
do you make these vids regularly, new sub, i play every day - looking for a high qualty hand analysis channel
Thanks. I am going to try for 1 per week.
can I ask what's the game are you playing? 1/3 or 10/20?
thx for good video but I really think that LLinus is defending different range pre
Love the video, but please keep in mind that one can only raise if a bet has gone in before that. Linus didn't raise 17k on the river, he simply bet 17k on the river
Yes, pretty sure I made a few of these flubs. My first video!
lmfao I'm sure this guy learnt to use pio but doesn't know the difference between bet and raise, glad you explained it to him.
TH-cam recommended this one, liked it a lot!
greate format man. respect. continue plz. good job
Wow this guys are playing like PIO solver, seems they're working reaaaaalllyyyy hard.
Likewise! Hope to see more of these videos
At 6:50 we can see Linus range. Question: 43s bets 40% of the time, so we bet the ones without flush draw and check the ones with flush draw?! So we don´t get pushed off our equity? Or do we simply bet the Open ended flush draw ones, because we have more equity (so we would like to put more money with +EV) ?
PS: O´Dwyer has to check a lot with the same draw on the turn in a similar spot
10:10 "The solver will actually raise some of the time as a bluff, but that's actually a negative EV play."
I thought the solver (taking folding to be neutral EV) never made negative EV plays.
These hands will boost the eV of the nutted hands more than it sacrifices of itself
Fastest I have ever subbed to a channel. 1 video watched.
Also whats going on with the bet size? You say steve pot cbets but the image shows 3k into 13k for ~25%
Nanonoko appears to be talking that the bet size is small and if steve should size it up
You say linus check raises small but its 9.5x the 3k bet size to 28 (1.5x pot) which is massive
Are the graphics all wrong or am i missing something.
Edit: nanonoko says the graphic is wrong and steve bet bigger.
Was it 13k cb and checkraise to 28k?
I think the graphic was an error for the flop bet. It later corrects to show a full pot size bet by Steve.
I dont understand why he didnt check the river? that way he could of called any bluffs from Odwyer
My guess is he thinks his hand is not strong enough to bluff catch. He gets to dictate the price also and can credibly have some 5x in his range so it makes it hard for him to get raised for value.
Thin value betting 》bluffcatching...if he goes for check call river line, dyer also checks back his med strength hands..and only raises polarized..so not much value in that..
I think Linus reraise 2x because O, Dwyer made a Pot-Size C bet aware of 3 bet possibility at this Board. i mean GTO shows that he would reraise a smaller C bet more often. So Linus 2x reraise seems like a port controlling move. In fact he shrinks O, Dwyer C-bet but he also loses fold equity for his bluff.
Not exactly a bluff by Linus though was it,more a protection of his TP,But yes pio does recommend check raising more from OOP when the cbet is smaller,So a good thing to do with value hands would be to cbet smaller to induce cr bluffs?
At 8:40, it seems like GTO is never betting 1/4 pot with Trips or better. Isn't that exploitable? Is GTO saying that O'dwyer should never have too many Trips or better when Linus bet 1/4 pot?
Haven’t seen any channels like this, not there yet personally, but really cool to see what all of this solver business is about. #StayFlizzyMyFriends 😎
I would be interested to know if LL would play this way if he sat in an average 2-5 game and if these solver strats work up against non solver strats. I imagine if I made a habit of calling a checkraise on 9xx with JT bdfd in a 200 dollar tourney in Daytona Beach, my stories would not be turned into song by many wandering minstrels.
I have for a long time thought it would be a great idea for a top pro to just sit down at a random 1-2 or 2-5 game and video tape it.
@@FindingEquilibrium At 6:50 we can see Linus range. Question: 43s bets 40% of the time, so we bet the ones without flush draw and check the ones with flush draw?! So we don´t get pushed off our equity? Or do we simply bet the Open ended flush draw ones, because we have more equity (so we would like to put more money with +EV) ?
PS: O´Dwyer has to check a lot with the same draw on the turn in a similar spot
That's a good question - I would have to rerun the analysis, but my guess is that with the additional equity of combo draw on the turn the solver will continue betting after check raising on the flop. But that being said, I think with most draws, you really can't be too -EV regardless of which option you choose.
These videos are fantastic, keep them going
0:23 he seems to have seven yellow chips and six blue chips.(185k stack)
1:52 he bets three yellow chips? (red=1000, yellow=5000, blue=25000)
3:46 he seems to have five yellow chips... Did he really bet 13,000 on the flop? It looks like he has no red chip at this point.
Linus raises to 28000, If O'Dwyer bets 15000 on the flop its less than minimum raise size. It's strange.
Not sure of the exact chip counts or the bets. I was going off what the announcer said and then what the graphic displayed on turn and river.
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Great analysis! More please!
very nice video! don't you think llinus is also defending K9 Q9 and J9 off suited? probably any suited too but maybe it's my perception. i just subscribed, props!
Thanks. Yes, looking back at it, I think the assumed calling range was too tight. Linus seemed to be calling almost any two cards in the BB probably bc of the ante plus he knows he has post-flop advantage against pretty much anyone. I got the preflop range from pokersnowie and actually adjusted it to be a bit wider, but probably didn't make it wide enough.
Yes, def defending those, and whole solve becomes irrelevant, because IP player has clear range advantage when OOP is missing that many strong 9x. Turn plays may be entirely different etc.
Irrelevant seems like an overstatement. Would it be that different? Seems like the solver strategy differs significantly when the concentration/percentage of strong hands changes, not just when the raw number of strong hands change. Even with more 9s BB will still have a ton of air. If your BB range is 100% that means you have total coverage and all possible nut hands, but your range is still weak.
In short: yes, it would be very different. I'm not really interested in teaching general public how to play or use tools for free though
Idk. There are still many 9s in the range so it seems like it shouldn't be too different, especially since if you start adding more 9s you will also have to add more air, but maybe you are right. I may rerun the analysis later with a wider range when I have more time. Thanks for the feedback.
Towards the end, you say that Linus is who he is because he managed to make the most chips in a marginal situation. However, taking the example of this very hand, if Linus check-called the flop, he would very likely be facing a big barrel on the turn as well, which he should definitely call. Therefore, we have now reached a river situation with a pot bigger than this, and the pairing of the board and bricking of draws doesn't encourage bluffs.
Check-calling the flop would lead to a river situation where there's more chips in the middle, and Linus has a better hand. As long as he doesn't get outplayed, he's making more chips than by X/r the flop.
Thoughts?
I think the X/r on flop was to make over cards to his pair go away,also if he just x/calls flop then when an overcards falls its tricky for him,the Q came which O Dwyer would definetly bet at if Linus had X/call flop.He probably doesnt always play this the same way anyway as a good pro would never do
LLinusLLove the current Endboss.
Great video - now I need to get a solver!
Actually the flop was 3 k bet into 13 k pot and Linus raised to 28 k.
I think that was an error in the graphic which was corrected later on.
What do you think about LL check/calling the river? Pick up more value. Is the bet preferred to avoid facing the overbet from the ip player? Obviously LL doesn't know the villains exact holding but when you arrive to the riv w JTh high he probably isn't checking J high back though in reality it sucks for the ip player because it's kind of the worst hand to have except for JT of diamonds due to blockers/removal. Do you think if the riv gets checked to the ipp he should still bluff?
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Is there another calculation that caused you to create those preflop ranges or is it just assumed?
I'm very skeptical that K9o and J9o aren't defending, for example, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
I used pokersnowie which is known to be tighter than the general population.
Why did you speculate that LLinus might of checked back 96o if he was playing IP? Would your opinion change if they were playing cash instead of tournament? I think LLinus may very well have checked back a hand like 96o because the risk-reward ratio of block bet/thin-value vs. re-opening action vs good villain in a tournament favours it but I reckon he'll probably bet a stronger 9x (K9+) IP even at the risk of re-opening the action
My speculation was really just a guess. I know Linus makes these types of bets frequently and I've always speculated that they are more block bets than value, but I've also seen him call a huge raise in the face of his block bet, which I think leans towards value? I do know that Pio seems to treat small bet and check OOP almost the same in terms of EV but that's not the case often times IP.
@@FindingEquilibrium Thanks for your reply. Yeah, I've also seen him call-down raises OTR in response to his block/small VB - its absolutely necessary if small/block bet OTR is part of your strategy and when you're playing against opponents who bluff raises (as part of their defence) enough. Do you think he would play it differently IP in a tournament generally vs. CG table though?
I enjoyed this. Thanks
Why you didn't use the same bet size as the players in Pio?
thx for this content, mindblowing, looking forward for more :)
great analysis! cool concept :)
Nice one again, only two videos seen, but i already love Your channel and subbed. Cheers.
Does the BB ante incentivize players to defend wider as opposed to traditional antes format?
LLinus preflop range seems incorrect. He would probably defend any suited cards and more of the offsuit Kx, Qx, Jx. Also you forgot to add lower frequencies for those hands, he will frequently 3bet with preflop. Betting big on the flop, especially with JTs makes a lot of sense, since you fold out Jx, Tx, hands of BBs range which dominate the IP player (e.g. QJ, QT, KT, etc.) Linus also doesnt play with a donking range, so i would restrict donking, since it takes effect on future streets of the solution, once you allow it.
Thanks for the feedback. How do you know he doesn't have a donking range?
@@FindingEquilibrium i reviewed his game hundreds of hours
For sure Linus has a donking range .. I have seen it in this series .. same two players bb vs btn.. a8o vs k6s maybe @is it gto can do a review of that hand ::p
Yeah, it seems like he started to implement donking in some cases lately. I reviewed mainly hands from highstakes cashgames in 2016-2018
I think you should add more hands in Llinus BB defend range!
Great video. Subbed.
Why does the solver make negative EV plays some percentage of the time?
i don't understand anything of these solvers, how can i learn that ??
My next video will be a tutorial on PIO. stay tuned!
Awesome job
Great videos. Waiting for the next ones :) thanks a lot
love the vid, pls more Linus videos
amazing video thx!
Use square size proportional to weight plz. Much easier to visualise weights etc
Yeah I realized I had it unchecked. I will try to switch back and forth so people can see the weights but also clearly see the range strategies as well.
@@FindingEquilibrium cool sounds good. Nice video btw, first time watching you and subbed. More Linus hands plz :D
Well done! How can I PM you the best?
great analysis!
how does someone so young play so methodically?
Cool vid bro, nice analysis
Great video
great vid! keep it up
Wtf with def bb range?
too tight, i know
Nice vid bro. Well explained. New sub
congrats
Good analysis. Keep doing them.
P.S. On th river Linus bet, but not raise as you said in video.
Awesome
Man just Throw away flop donk
Very good work btw 🤓😎
fucking Llinus is such a BEAST god damn
So, if you play poker drunk it's gto??
Reg nl 25 (for now) here, linus legend, im sub good video.
Btw Wich version you use of piosolver? In gonna try the free version but I don't know what it has
Thanks. I only have basic at the moment, but will probably upgrade at some point.
@@FindingEquilibrium you try the free version?
No - I think its quite limited. If you are serious about learning GTO I would just suggest getting the basic version.
god video, really enjoyed it, subscribed. Thank you.
Haroldas B keep religion out of poker.
@@lozgod lol first of all youre funny. 2nd I meant to say ''good video'' Mister grammar nazi.
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are we not going to talk about randy lew's outdated poker hand breakdown analysis!
Mateos vs lodden ept hand pleeez
realy nice video
Why don't you have him as calling J9o-K9o
a mistake
I believe the Triton tournament was short deck hold 'em. If that's correct, does the solver take this into account?
synchronium24 this isn’t a short deck game. There is a 2 and a 5 on the board
@@laneu781 Fair enough. Unusual for a Triton Event not to be shortdeck these days.
Yeah most of the series was shortdeck unfortunately, I think because its more popular these days in asia.
Range of Llinus BB Defend range is trash