WHO WAS RIGHT HERE??? Me or the male Karen?! That’s it for the NJ revenge tour my fellow anglers! Look out for some juicy bass content coming up from my home waters 🎣😎
I own 3800 acres where I keep cattle, we have a lot of streams, creeks and ponds. Sometimes while out I will find someone (most always teenagers) fishing in the streams/creeks and I usually just walk over and say hi and ask if they caught anything. I tell them they are on my property and ask them to please not leave anything but have fun and good luck. Now if there are 20 people on my property that would be a problem, if a lot of people are showing up every day that would also be a problem but a couple kids or young men out enjoying nature that accidentally came on the property is definitely not a problem and is a great thing that I am glad to see and encourage.
My dream is to own a large tract of land on a year round creek or shallow river and have a campground for canoe and kayakers and wade fishermen. Want to build raised platform polebarns with posts for hammocks and open fireplaces for cooking and male and female bathhouse. And a few primitive campsites with fire pits and bbq grills, for people that want privacy. Maybe have a bus for picking up floaters at take outs and a boat rental.
I had this happen to me a couple yrs ago. I kept the guy talking while my buddy called the warden. Long story short the Warden showed up checked our fishing licenses and gave the guy a fine and explained that he would be arrested if he came back. The DNR does not mess around when it comes to hunter/fisher harassment.
@Nomen Clature thats an assumption. i looked it up in federal game and fisheries. Regardless if the land under is in the deed it doesn't matter. its a public accessible river. Land owners hands are tied when it comes to public access. Anglers cannot cross private property to the body of water but from upstream or downstream it is lawful and the anglers have every right to do that. Wading in and walking on the rocks beside the stream are permissible by law. This guy is just aggravated because the anglers are fishing his favorite fishing hole. Nothing he or the boys can do about it inside of the law granted to anglers or recreational activities.
@Nomen Clature no, i didnt look up the wrong law. As long as uou enter the stream from a public access there is nothing the land owner can do. You can float and fish through private property and you can wade the stream up to the high water mark. Look up supreme court ruling HB141. And you will have your answer to your belief.
@Nomen Claturejust because you think something should be this way or that doesn't make it that way. I done the research on it. You should too. Ignorance of the law is where you are and your acting and looking stupid by not doing it. Do yourself a favor and educate yourself. Let me help you get started Supreme Court ruling HB141.
Couple of things from a state peace officer who has spent the last 19 years enforcing game and fish laws: you need to consult onX hunt or BaseMap before striking out to determine private and public property. Second, call the local game warden for the area you plan to fish and ask pertinent questions before striking out. Third, if you know you’re in the right, ignore questions and keep on fishing. Fourth, arm yourselves when going into the wilderness. Never go anywhere without a proper sidearm. Riverbeds are state property up to the median high mark: that is, halfway up the bank from low water mark during a dry year to the point at which the river overflows its bank at flood stage. Obviously, the median boundary changes based on the slope of the riverbank, so as long as you walk up the river in the river or what appears to be an obvious part of the riverbed, even if it’s dry, you’re ok. Lastly, record everything as you did and then report it to the local game warden and file a complaint for harassment of sportsmen.
This came up on another channel in New Jersey.....and apparently the landowners do own the river/stream bed, as long as it isn't "tidal" waterway. Funky law, but that's how they do it in NJ. Unfortunately, the boys were wrong here.
I’m 66 years old and I am very impressed with the way you dealt with that goon. Very polite and respectful. You did nothing wrong and he was the disrespectful one.
Zackly, The old man was attempting to Southern "call his boys" like he owns THE WORLD!...nobody owns 20-miles of land and river, in any country, unless their name is.......what for it....... Putin.
Ted Turner. But no ones owns rivers or oceans etc. if it is a land locked pond and they own all the land around it they own the water. I would make it a point to canoe or kayak fish that dudes area weekly
for sure. I own 80 acres of land and i got a border with a river right in the middle. I would not take kindly finding people right in the middle of my lot. I do own the are with the river with no separate lot coming off i, it is all one lot. I can see where the guy is coming from and technically he does own the river and it is trespassing. I also got dogs that may not treat the people nicely. If it was public land it would be different and the kids in this are saying it is. I would simply just show a map of my land and asking them to leave. I am like these kids, or was but now that I own land I would see where the guy is coming from if it was legit.
@@chadillac365 you seem to be a little unclear on riparian rights. It is actually entirely possible to own the river. It depends on the state, but most places you do actually own the land under the water. Yes, public water happens to flow through private property, but people accessing public water do not have a right to trespass onto private property and that includes hopping out of your boat and standing in the middle of the river on somebody's dirt. A lot of it has to do with mineral rights, you can't just kayak into somebody's private property and start panning for gold or fishing for gems, that riverbed belongs to the property owner and those minerals belong to the property owner. If the water is navigable, you may navigate to your heart's content in a craft, unassisted swimming is considered trespassing. In the case of this video, these two jackasses parked their car at the gate to his private property, walked 4 miles up his private road, stood on his private beach and started fishing from his private property... They're lucky they didn't get shot.
@@j.robichaud6638 You have the right to ask anyone anything at any time. They have a right to decline to answer. Now there may be consequences of that but a land owner has no legal authority over another person. That's why we don't give a police badge to every land owner!
@Emmanuel Goldstein I’m also willing to bet you don’t own property so you don’t even know what it’s like to find people on your land. Treat people like pricks and it will come full swing..
These 2 guys are puss..... They were scared and couldn't think for themselves. The male Karen is threatening them, he got to go to jail too. The 2 puss was too scared to do anything it's embarrassing. These 2 guys are a disgrace to men for being soft.
Than have fish and wildlife come out. Navigable water way. If you can kayak from any public launch point, it's open to the high water mark. Need to have the USCG regulation on hand to give to anyone who wants to harass a lawful fisher.
I’ve this happen to me and my friends. The guy argued until the Sheriff showed up. Apparently he sold his house in a big city, and bought some land around a popular fishing spot. The Real Estate Agent told him he “owned” half the river. The Sheriff calmly explained easement rights and we fished away.
Most issues would be resolved if hunters and anglers researched the laws respective to the state whose lands they wish to hunt/fish. These kids obviously did not do their homework before they trespassed on this guy's land.
@@jennifer9528 I agree with you except there are occasions where it's difficult to get accurate information. I have used apps before and local knowledge to determine what is public v private. One fly shop owner in a Colorado spot we frequent assures me every time there' a five mile stretch of public fishing passed a particular creek and yet there are a bunch of private land signs posted in this area. I always err on the side of caution and I have a six pack in my car to give up as a peace offering. All of that said, I thought the lads handled it about as well as they could.
When in doubt, DO NOT PROCEED. Not all landowners are forgiving or nice. The absolute bottom line is RESPECT. For Nature, for God, for your fellowman. And his property.
Just so everybody knows, in the USA, any open water source is considered public property. Rivers, and lakes fall under this category. Depending on the state you live in, creeks and ponds may also be considered public as well, and if you don’t want people on your land, you have to pay to divert the river or creek off your land yourself. Edit: comes with the territory when you buy your land. Do your research before buying land with public property on it
your statement is correct except that you must first start from a public access point, Don't assume that you can access public water ways through private land, a legal easement must be employed.
@@andersd8956 you are wrong. You can walk along any stream in wi keeping your feet wet and fishing as long as you entered on public land or hap permission from the owner. If you don't agree you can take it up with the Wisconsin Supreme court.
Just so you know, this is not necessarily true. There are only 3 publicly navigable rivers in Kansas. There are many other rivers that are not public, meaning, land owners own up to the middle of the river and if you are on it and not the owner, you are trespassing. Many kayakers use these non public navigable waterways thinking it is legal and it is not.
@@TheDoggyOnTheWall these guys are fishing on private property and they know it. They have multiple videos fishing illegal spots or private places but they dont care because they want to just make money on youtube no matter what. They dont respect any fishing etiquette because they arent fishermen, just kids who try to make a quick buck.
@@HPxG323Calling a river private property is ridiculous. This is just some rich douche trying to bully people away from public waterways because he owns the land on the sides.
@@gasoven3759 Thats a negative, if you knew anything about New Jersey laws you would know Public Trust Doctrine. Public Trust Doctrine insures Public access to all TIDAL waterways and Coastlines. This means, as in clearly visible in that video, that the waterway in question is influenced by tides, Therefore under New Jersey law they reserve such waterways for PUBLIC ACCESS AND RIGHT OF TRAVEL. If you have the address for that waterway it would be even easier, as the GIS survey will indicate if it is public access or not. Whatever dumbfuckery you think happens when you "touch the bottom of the waterway" is actually hilarious and has no basis in law. From an actual Lawyer. And another thing, one also has the freedom to travel next to such waterways as there must always be a public easement or right of way to provide safe passage, regardless of if that easement or right of way is on private property adjacent to publicly navigable roads or waterways. One does not need to "float" on such waterway to travel, one can walk adjacent to it lawfully, as this provides safe passage for individuals who may not be able to swim. And as one states, if they are free to go they are free to stay.
@@itzahoax934 this is does not look tidal. Tidal new jersey is unlikely to have that sort of scenery. I could be wrong however. Also that "dumbfuckery" you speak so elequently about is known As king's Grant. And is very common east of the Mississippi. I'm not sure if new jersey is a Kings Grant state, but here in Virginia, exactly what that gentleman wrote is quite possible. Look up John's Creek access. Not only is the land under the water often included in a deed and enforceable by law, but in some cases the water running across/through is by right the landowners and even if these boys were sitting in a boat, they could be trespassing.
@@jpmc271 While the state may convey the private rights (jus privatum) associated with tidelands, it may never convey the public rights (jus publicum), and the private owner may never interfere with the public’s right to access tidal waterways and their shores adjacent to their property. While the private owner does have the right to use the conveyed property for the approved use, they must also be aware of the special nature of the lands and the public trust rights bestowed upon them. Tidal as defined by NJ state code is: Tidelands, also known as riparian lands, are all lands that are currently and formerly flowed by the mean high tide of a natural waterway. Barnegat Bay, a naturally tidal body of water, is an example of tidelands. However, New Creek, a tiny tidal stream that flowed through the city of Newark a century ago but has since been filled in and built over, is also an example of tidelands. New Jersey contains an extensive network of tidelands, both big and small. Meaning if they are affected by Natrual tides, they are considered tidal waterways. You can see this clearly with the debris along the waterway indicating there is a high tide.
@@itzahoax934 I think we're in agreement. My thinking is this is not a tidal waterway. The debris you speak of could be tidal, I'll take a closer look, thought it appeared to me to be nothing more than a high-water area caused by varied flows either from a dam or natural leveling changes. Virginia has similar rules for Chesapeake watershed areas, though in many cases the land owner still owns rights to the low water mark such as for duck hunting crabbing etc.
@@jpmc271 A lot of homeowners in NJ believe they own the waterways behind or adjacent to their property but 99% of the time its a grant on the title. Usually passed down from previous owners in order to build docks etc around the area. But its still owned by the state and considered Public Property, just granted to them for specific use. Also some get a bit confused and think "tidal waterways" are only beaches. But like I said above if they have the address I can pull the GIS records and confirm. If I'm incorrect then thats that, but the one guy was spurting ignorance. edit: Also even if changes were made to the waterway, such as additions of levies or dams are still considered tidal lands. Hence the inclusion of "currently or formerly flowed by mean high tide of a natural waterway". Meaning unless that man or previous property owners built that river/creek from the ground up or it is not connected to another natural waterway, either currently or in the past. Then and only then is it private property.
They escalated the situation by acting all secretive. If you get caught trespassing onto someone's property it's probably best to show that person you are not there to do bad things.
LOL the kids were just making gopro clickbait for youtube, like the motorcycle riders who flagrantly break driving laws then get in self-engineered arguments and confrontations with car drivers. All fake. Clickbait.
Super respectful young men you guys handled yourself extremely well!! Good job to your parents because teenagers simply don't act like this without parents proper upbringing.. God Bless you two and your parents!!
was he wrong? many local jusrisdictions prohibit creekwalking if the ground under the river is landowner property. many state laws are written that way. plus these bozos are standing on the bank above the high water mark.
Maybe the neighbor rents the house from him. Not defending the old guy, just thinking outside the box. Lol. The guy was ridiculous, there's better ways to approach people "trespassing" to fish.
"Call DEC" and the license on his chest, looks like NY. We get a lot of those people up here, my mom's neighbor threatened to call the police on me for trespassing on his property. He was on my mom's property.
I'm so sick of people like this guy. They have more money than most and they think that means they can treat everyone like garbage. These young guys were practicing catch and release and they were really nice. This guy is being a scum bag. Is it possible for people in that area to actually own a river? In most areas, you can walk the riverbank. Is that not the case here.
@@bassandgrass567 I’ve literally had people try and throw me off of public land lol. When I told them it was public they asked me how I was so sure. I just told them that I have permission to hunt the private land next door lol.
Lots of unanswered questions with the self called owner of the world guy. And he has dogs running freely off a leash in State Parks Lands?. Obviously he has on waders and is actively trout fishing this stretch of river so with that in mind i would venture to say he is competing for the area which looks pristine trout habitat. My guess is he is over stepping his ground by making all these claims and his aggressive nature towards these young anglers.
Karen is showing the sure tell signs of meth addiction actually. Incoherence, talking in circles, and not quite grasping reality. I mean, I dont want to assume, but he acting like a meth head. It erodes both the body and mind. Thats why he couldn't follow on the rocks. lol body and mind.
depends on state, some that only applies to "navigable rivers and creeks", meaning ones that a boat or barge can go down. for non navigable, then the landowner owns to middle of river/creek unless he owns land on both sides, then it's the whole thing
This came up on another channel in New Jersey.....and apparently the landowners do own the river/stream bed, as long as it isn't "tidal" waterway. Funky law, but that's how they do it in NJ. Unfortunately, the boys were wrong here.
@@SuperTinyTurtle Dont let the boys fool you, they knew perfectly well they were on private land. This same kid has multiple videos on youtube where he is fishing clearly illegal spots or private waters, always acting as if he didnt knew he was doing anything wrong.
Regarding the guy saying he owned "half of the river", depending on the state, if it's a navigable body of water, he can't keep people off of it. For example, in Michigan, landowners can own the land under a river but they can't keep the public off of the water if it meets the standard of navigability.
In my state the private property ends at the river's high water mark, so where they were standing wouldn't even technically be his property. I don't know how it works in NJ though.
This is true in ALL states in the US... the only requirement is that the water is "navigable" and free flowing. Also at high water any islands that form are public easement unless there is a structure on the land.
@@a-damgrubeer8527 Wrong, when the land is under water it is public easement. You still own structures, or islands formed with structures on them. And land under water is ok to be on.
I appreciate your upmost respect that you give to that sketchy, territorial gentleman. You were both very polite and well spoken. Well done for maintaining a calm demeanor.
Territorial? If somebody hopped over your back fence and started fucking around in your swimming pool, I severely doubt you would be calm. A man has a right to protect his property.
And how do you know that? Do you know that man? I do not feel that he owns 1000 feet, 1 mile or even 10 miles, he just has a big mouth.. Maybe you also?
@@bonitamartin4954 why can't you people understand the law? A navigable waterway is only public if you are on the water itself. You do not have a right to access private property along the bank. Do not have a right to hop over somebody's fence and use their private road to walk to their private property. I dare you, I absolutely fucking dare you to go down to Mississippi and park your fucking boat on somebody's private boat launch. I dare you. You can go down the river all you want, you may not set your feet on private property.
@@rickb1387 if the police would have been called those two little shit bags would have been under arrest. They parked on the other side of his private gate and walked along his private road and were fishing on his private property. You do not have a right to access public water from private property. Every lake and every public River has public access points, you may only use public access to access public water you may not use private access to access public water private property is private motherfucking property what the fuck part of that do you not understand?
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We own 500 acres which includes a very popular fishing stream! In our state and with this type of stream we own bank to bank! We almost NEVER run people off unless they are being disrespectful! This guy is a total douche and obviously has a chip on his shoulder! Making friends helps preserve the resource! Shame on him!
@@jim2498 In Canada ALL bodies of water are PUBLICLY owned and 16 ft from all bodies of water are also PUBLICLY owned so we don’t have to deal with this bullshit.
honestly considering the guy doesnt know their names and is basically in the middle of a forrest with them, take his phone and everything else and run back to your car, this guy can get hurt harassing the wrong people, stupid old man
Nice work guys, great to see younger generations getting out and enjoying nature and fishing. The older guy should be ashamed of himself, he could have handled that so much better and been kind enough to let you know it was his land, but that you were fine to have a fish there anyhow. Peace from Australia!
If you trespassed onto my private property I would very much put holes into you if you did not leave immediately when I told you to. Ain't no arguing, ain't no talking about it, ain't no pass and go ain't no collecting $200 you get your ass off my land or find out hot .243 lead tastes like. Handled it better than you would, eh? I wish you would step on my dirt and tell me what's what. Private property is private property, it's time you communist punk's learned that the hard way.
@@Billy420-69 okay, explain what you think I need to know about right of way. I have zero easements and there is zero public right of way on my private property so what is it you think I need to know. I think communist pukes like you need to learn about private property before you end up in a hole, which you probably be better off there anyway.
@@kobayashimaru8114 - Exactly, and I don't think anyone can own a river or its shore, nonsense. He should have encouraged them and said come back anytime. They weren't drinking, doing drugs, leaving garbage anywhere or polluting the river etc. so leave them alone.
@@montyrayza7220 yeah people definitely can own parts of waterways depending on the state. In my state if you're property line has a stream or river intersecting it and you retain the water rights, then you own that part of the waterway.
Well, one thing for sure, according to New Jersey (where this occurred), old man Karen owns the land under the water to the midpoint of the stream. He doesn't own the water.
@FruityDickens depends on state. Some states water is owned by state including river banks up to high water mark. In those states if access river legally can walk/fish whole length of the river as long as stay close to shore. Other states water is owned by state but not bottom of the river. Can only float on top of water through those areas. I lived on amazing wild fishery river in California. We'd get huge trout that'd come up from big lake to spawn and some would stay after snow melt. Occasionally would catch 35in range. As water dropped in summer most bigger trout would concentrate in deeper pools. Over a decade I spend at least a few days a week walking endless miles fishing or dog walks. Down river from us there were dozens of houses near river over 5 miles or so. Didn't have an issue a single time. Got to know a few people on first name basis. I can certainly sympathize with some private property owners if they are having problems in the area. But fuck assholes like this guy. Being all threatening and totally unreasonable with a couple young kids even when they were being respectful and offering to leave.
@FruityDickens there's actually an allowance in natural waterways (rivers, creeks,lakes) that nobody own like 15 feet from the highest watermark so if you came in along or on the river it's not his property just the land around it is
This is why I mainly stopped bank fishing and bought a fishing kayak. Got sick of karen's and other bank fishermen fishing on top of me. You should float down to that same exact spot and fish it again.
Agreed, I love the internet tough guy comments. You never know who you are dealing with in a confrontation. See those poor people shot to death in PA this winter over a stupid argument that escalated quickly.
@@surfrat8884 Has nothing to do with being a tough guy sometimes you have to stand your ground and check these types of people when you know you're in the right , a lot of these landowners and people with $ in general think they can talk to people however they want
@@surfrat8884 Those poor people that started the bullshit in the first place and were known to be antagonist. The same poor people that kept yelling at the guy and would not let him alone? No wonder this country is fucked. People can literally antagonize and treat people like shit but when the person that is being subjected to it acts out than its a problem. Like being ok with the bully and penalizing the victim being bullied. I do agree the kids did nothing wrong. After the first minute they should have called law enforcement as it was evident the guy was not going away and that would help straighten out the issue.
@@chazman4461 Are you talking about the fake stuff in the snow where zero blood came out of the woman that was shot like 10 times? A couple shots in her head? Why do you think that was never blown up on the news? You can easily see its fake.
I wanna see the video where yall call the county and get the papers showing that he doesn't actually own halfway through the river, then go back and tell him to suck one while you slay fish in "his creek"
Honestly, I feel like you handled it well. Sometimes you have to defuse the situation, and some people can take Skye's tone of voice in the wrong way when the individual thinks his point of view is 100% correct. Sometimes it's hard not to let your pride get the best of you, but I'm glad things did not escalate anymore. Definitely good content.
First thing I would do, talk to the sheriff/dnr about the location. I meet people like this in mn sometimes. I just tell them talk to the sheriff and they shut up right away
I don't believe he can actually "own" any part of the river. I own property that ends at a river, and I can not tell someone to stay out of the river. I've had many people fishing from my little river beach, I usually ask if they caught anything good, ask them to please not leave trash for me to pick up, and wish th good luck. IF he REALLY has a shooting range as he said, you would have heard it, I think he was full of bullshit. Probably some overgrown spoiled wealthy jerk, who was never taught respect.
Actually, as I just mentioned in my own comments, you CAN possess parts of a river, through commercial river rights. Consider a marina or yacht club. They don't "own" the river, but having commercial river rights does allow you to put out docks, a marina etc. and have unwanted persons removed.
We have property that has a river that runs through it. We do caution people not to dock on the beaches, there are warning signs . We don't mind of someone is fishing , but my uncle has a very large pack of dogs that aren't too friendly and they will protect the live stock
Trees reflect and absorb sound , not to mention flowing water. What caliber is he shooting and which way is it facing all determine if you would hear it or not from a distance
This man has a strange problem. He told them to get off his property, they said they would without challenging his claim, and that should have been the end of it. It shouldn't matter how they got there once they apologized and agreed to leave. You handled the situation brilliantly.
If you notice, they were in the floodplain of the river. State land extends to the median high water mark of the river. They were clearly below that. The river was pretty low. They could have stayed there and to him to pound sand.
"Show me how you walked in!" "Well, I took my left leg and moved it in front of me like - HEY! Are you WATCHING this? PAY. ATTENTION. So, I take my left foot and I put it in front of my right foot, like this. Then, I take my right foot..."
The problem is that he hasnt proved that it's his property at all and simply claimed it was. Thus you had a point not to disclose your names. And once he informed you that it's private land, you began to move. That should've been the end of it but Karens do what they need to do...
People like this is why where i am that the shorelines aren't owned by anyone, the property to access them can be used unless it's cultivated land. You are not allowed to block access to any waterway if there is any sort of access that is reasonable. "Any resident shall have the right to go on, upon or across any river, stream or lake in boat or canoe or otherwise, for the purpose of lawfully fishing with rod and line in such rivers, streams or lakes.”
leaving without an escort or not is irrelevant to my comment. yes he was escorting them, he kept stopping to chit chat rather than rush them off his property WHILE escorting them off it, like he couldnt walk and talk at the same time
I am kindof a grumpy old guy but with these two young men I wouldve made friends. Probably wouldve watched them fish while I fished, and told them if they wanted to fish til dark I would give them a ride back to their car. Very respectful young guys and they had right to be sceptical about this guy. And did right not showing id or giving specifics on where they were parked. He was trying to be intimidating and aggressive, real men speak with authority but not intimidation. Hope they continue fishing and having fun. Maybe float that creek
@@jimmccandless4307 you are correct. But a stream or creek that runs seasonally may be exempt from that law. Also some states have different laws about flood plain usage. If the survey pins go to the waters edge on a black water river or lake that is recognized as private even if it floods a couple times a year.
Jim is probably involved in his meth operation. lol Showing the sure tell signs of meth addiction. Incoherence, talking in circles, and not quite grasping reality. lol
Guy is lucky these dudes are chill. Imagine walking out into the woods and confronting two random strangers by a river. If that's not terrifying, you've never met a goddamn soul in your life
I would have said ok call the law they can't arrest you if it is his land all they can do is tell you to leave then trespass you so you can't come back if it's his land. I don't know how it works in new Jersey but where I live if you have permission or public access to any lake, stream, creek or river you can fish all you want plus 10 feet of shore on even on private property. I also deal with clowns that act like this man all the time that think they own everything and feel like idiots when the call the DNR.
@@joshsmith7176 But instead they want to raise all kinds of dust flying. And then ask the questions based on no facts. Yes, get the police there then see where the dust settles.
I’ve been dealing with a guy like this for the last few years at my favorite spot. His land ends about 50 feet from where I fish and he’s come over citing all sorts of this and that about state laws, etc. I finally had it and contacted the rod and gun club that manages the lake/brook. Since then, I’ve seen him angrily traipsing around his property but that’s about it. The worst part of it all is that he’s *FILLED* the woods with “no trespassing” signs…practically every other tree and it’s really robbed the area of its natural beauty. There’s nothing worse than aggressively territorial residents…
If it's their land they can be as aggressively territorial as they want, some people work very hard too become land owners. I'm sure you'd rather see a over abundance of posted signs than a trashed river.
@@generalfranco9399 No, that is absolutely not true. That does *not* give them the right to harass you when you aren’t on their property, aren’t breaking the law or causing a disturbance. That’s how many aggressive land owners behave…there are countless stories. How can you possibly defend unreasonable land owners and how did this become a conversation about littering? That has nothing to do with fishermen…fishermen have always been at the forefront of conservation.
@@manifestgtr Sounds like they were on his property and he told them exactly where his property is at. Ever seen public waterways? They're trashed, that's what they're trying to avoid. When did this become a conversation about off their property? On there property they can do as they please, land owner = right to tell you to gtfo his land. Land.....OWNER.
I was once young and adventurous but in my youth every one respected others. You young men seem to be outdoorsman and that’s so awesome to see these days. The old saying it only takes one to ruin it for all holds true today. You handled the situation correctly hats off to you both. As for owning the river 🤷♂️ I have never heard of that but I live in Appalachia. Continue for the rest of your days enjoying life and the outdoors as all people should. The man admitted that he had boys your age fishing in the river, the father in him should have been proud that you were fishing and outside instead of doing drugs and in front of a tv killing zombies. But I assume some people have left a bitter taste on him and now he’s the way he is.
Personally, I prefer people not doing drugs OR trespassing. Of course, it's debatable if they are actually trespassing, but trespassing is also bad. It's like saying I can steal your food because at least I'm not robbing a bank. It's irrelevant to me.
I know it's completely different but I got "attacked" by a similar man here in Sweden. I live next to a lake, own fishing rights to that particular lake and once during a sunny summer night (midnight sun) I got approached by a very upset man who arrived around 01:30 in the morning. He said " HE KNEW THE F*CKING OWNERS" and told me he would call the police if I didn't leave. Knowing I was fully in my right to fish there I called the police first. They arrived in a cruiser after a while and the man spent a good 15 minutes ranting some made up story about how I "illegally fish and abuse the nature" around that lake. Then the police turned to me... Showed them my ID, pointed at my house literally next to us and proved my rights with some papers on my phone. The angry man who had been lingering in the background flipped out and called a bunch filthy names, one which would translate to "f*cking homo gypsy satanist c*nt"... Police arrested HIM for various reason and I spent a good 30 minutes showing pics of pikes, perches and zanders I've cought in the lake to the leading officer. Turns out he was a massive fishing nut. Just like me. So that officer now fishes in my lake and that's justice to me. This happened last year by the way.
In Oklahoma where I am a person can own the land under the water but not the water, so if floating in a boat your ok if wading in the water where touching the land under the water you can be trespassing, crazy huh ?
Its the same all over Canada. Some rivers have special leases, which im against, but it doesn’t prevent you from being on the water, just fishing on it. NB here.
It's not true in New Jersey. There are several private rivers, and often the river is owned to the thalweg. But the water and the fish? They are the peoples of NJ's and you can't claim ownership of that. There's a few private fishing clubs on the Black River and Raritan that come to mind. This is partly a result of private property being owned before NJ was a state, a tradition from Dutch and English common law, as title on many properties can be traced back to Dutch or English colonial times.
Most states have the landowners owning the land but no one can own the water. We used to do this about every full moon in the mountains. We would came in a State or Federal land then when the full moon came out for the night we would raft and fish down the creek down to more State land. Get picked up by one of that didn't fish and we'd do it all night 😅😅
Here in Ohio you can own the land under the water if you own both sides but don't own the water top... And if there is a different owner on both sides of the river then it's mutual between owners to the bank. Very stupid here in Ohio!
@237 dude it doesn't matter if your friend is exmilitary .what does that have to do with anything? All that tells anyone that comes across your comment is that your buddy Mike and his buddies are unhinged and trigger happy. The kids acknowledged they were in the wrong and didn't know they were on private property apologized repeatedly and proceeded to leave. Your friend Mike kept on being a douche nozzle and harassing them . If you watch the video til the end you can see these kids rock climbed up and down and didn't take the route the oldfart kept insisting they took . Your friend is a nutcase I'm a vet too doesn't mean I gotta be a total douche to some kids in the middle of bumf*** nowhere especially after finding out they may have trespassed unknowingly. And I highly doubt your friend owns half the river my dude.
Nope, he can own the land under the river, the state owns the water. So you can fish the river in a boat but if you're on foot you are trespassing on his property.
For non tidal waters in NJ, you can float through private property, but not wade on the bottom or anchor. However, you can walk on the bottom, or even the bank, to navigate an obstruction, like a dam or fallen tree.
Depending on what state you are in and depending on what land the guy owns and depending on if that is considered a navigable waterway. That said in Mississippi if you own land that stretches from one side of the river to the other side of the river then you own the land under the river even though it is a navigable waterway that is why it's perfectly ok to canoe down a river but not to use an ATV because the ATV would be considered trespassing. You have no right to be on the banks fishing on someone else land and depending on how you got there makes all the difference because most don't sweet people on the banks within 25-30 feet of the river fishing but would have an issue crossing vast amounts of their private property to get there. I should know former Constable...
@@robertcox9795 where the fuck do you people getting this high water mark bullshit from? New Jersey law has no such riparian right. There are many places, California especially that private property includes underneath the water. Yes, the water is public and you can float down to water all you want. What you may not do is get out of the water and step on to private property. Any of this high watermark crap you guys keep talking about is not for fishing or boat launching. I dare you to try this shit on the Mississippi River, go down in the deep South and tell somebody you can fucking walk all over their private property if you feel like it, see where that gets you. FYI, the reason why many states have riverbed rules is because of minerals. In California especially, because of gold, you cannot access the riverbed on somebody's private property, a landowner owns land underneath the water. This is to prevent somebody from swimming down to the bottom of your property and collecting your gold. You can be on the water all you want, but you cannot enter somebody's private property. I don't know why that is so difficult for you motherfuckers to understand.
This caught my attention as I own land with a river. I've encountered "trespassers" but you guys had to be the nicest guys about the situation. You immediately apologized and offered to leave... It should have ended there. The people I have a problem with are the ones who argue to stay and leave trash behind. If they offer to leave, it's all good and we part ways as I understand some people don't understand it's private property. Honestly, I'd not care if people didn't leave trash everywhere but some people aren't respectful of just enjoying the river without leaving a mess behind. This is the only reason I ask people to leave. You guys handled the situation good and showed respect, that land owner went overboard.
@Littlebitta Thisnthat in my state that’s not true. If you’re standing in the river you’re their property. If you’re floating you’re not. The owner owns the creek bed but not the water flowing through it. So you can kayak down rivers and streams all day long.
I agree except for the f off should have stayed cordial and said go ahead go take pictures of our license contact the range or do what you have to do we're going to fish but I think these guys felt that they were in the wrong or weren't sure and that said then they should have left and they did
Thats what I was thinking. They were RIGHT on shore. Hike to stream/river, fish.. The banks [of rivers/streams/creeks/etc.] are owned by the state; in all states, aren't they?
@@nunliski You are allowed to navigate on the river that goes through private land but you cannot cross or set foot on the private land at any time. You have to access the river from a different public location. The warden would arrest this goof immediately for trespassing. And the ruling applies only to navigable waterways. If it's a small stream you are trespassing if you set foot anywhere in the water or land.
This didn’t happen in Alabama, but in Alabama, that is a mixed question. It may or may not be the same in NJ. In Alabama, you can be in a boat on the river (even if he owns both sides the river), and I suppose you can walk up the river near the bank if it isn’t too deep or fast. But, you cannot get out onto dry land without trespassing. The rock cliff is not the river. Even if he owns the whole part of land under the river, in Alabama you have the right to be on or in the water without trespassing. You can not step on the shore. Rivers are considered “waters of the United States.” Anyone may boat on any navigable waterway. In Alabama you often do own to the middle of the river, but sometimes rivers erode or silt in a shoreline, so it isn’t necessary the center of the river today, but what was the center of the river when the federal government issued the patent (title to the land to an individual). You’d have to be a surveyor to figure it out. That said, unless there is a sudden and dramatic shift in the course of the river/creek, most people maintain the shore as the line.
When I see people fish on my property, I sometimes greet them and we talk about fishing and the beautiful day out, other than that good luck, enjoy have a great day.
Being older myself, I can still remember being young and invincible and being able to leap mountains and rivers with ease. The property owner has probably forgotten or was never able to accomplish such feats. He cant picture the path you took. He very well could be jealous and grumpy. I'm extremely jealous of you guys. Wish i could perform as i used to. Just be careful.
This old man was nothing short of a bully…thank you for not being like him…he was assuming everything. Very entitled embarrassing old man who could have handled this so much better. Thank you for being as respectful as you were.
This is his land. They were trespassing, and they lied to him. They also ignored the trespassing signs (0:37 on the tree, upper left-hand corner of the freeze frame). They were fishing lands they obviously did not familiarize themselves with and then they wanted to argue with him when they were clueless. If anyone was acting entitled and embarrassing, it was the kids. It's not difficult to look up the laws in the state they were fishing (NJ), nor is it difficult to familiarize yourself with a map of public lands. Try it sometime; you might just learn something.
@@jennifer9528 I don't see how they were acting entitled when they... Literally left. People are attacking the guy for no real reason though, nothing he did was remotely close to "bullying."
I'm in my 60s and I hope that my 10 grandkids would be as polite and considerate as these 2 young men. The old guy didn't know when to stop and kept projecting his errors onto the boys. I wonder what he is like in real life? I've read hundreds of comments and it is impressive how many people out there would handle this completely different. I do everything I can to not be a grumpy old man like this guy.
i just watched a video covering this. the supreme court ruled that any navigable water way IS open to the public. and no land owner that has any navigable water ways running thru their property cannot lay claim to that water way.
@@triumphant39walking on the shore is walking on his property. Walking in the river is considered a right of way even though he may own the bottom lands of the river
They can only use the navigable waterways, in a boat. As soon as they step onto soil they are trespassing. It's as simple as that. They WALKED up the riverside, therefore they were on his land.
And on top of that, if he started demanding my ID I would start demanding proof that he was actually the Owner of the Property. That dude could be anybody.
@@83442handle I'm saying that would have been my response to that confrontation. Not making up my own confrontation out of thin air to make somebody else's response not make sense. Your just being weird Guy.
WHO WAS RIGHT HERE??? Me or the male Karen?!
That’s it for the NJ revenge tour my fellow anglers! Look out for some juicy bass content coming up from my home waters 🎣😎
That guy was too bitchy you were calm and acted correctly. your totally correct
Edit: There wasnt any lead but you were calm
You
you don't get to say shit when youre on his property lol, lucky yall didn't eat any lead.
@@ElonMoist Thats a good way to go to jail.
@@ScootersTroutFishing that’s the Texas way.
I own 3800 acres where I keep cattle, we have a lot of streams, creeks and ponds. Sometimes while out I will find someone (most always teenagers) fishing in the streams/creeks and I usually just walk over and say hi and ask if they caught anything. I tell them they are on my property and ask them to please not leave anything but have fun and good luck.
Now if there are 20 people on my property that would be a problem, if a lot of people are showing up every day that would also be a problem but a couple kids or young men out enjoying nature that accidentally came on the property is definitely not a problem and is a great thing that I am glad to see and encourage.
@@shanechandler1655 Mr. Chandler you are 100% correct and think just like I do.
Good man
Well put
If you have that much land do you ever come across campers?
My dream is to own a large tract of land on a year round creek or shallow river and have a campground for canoe and kayakers and wade fishermen.
Want to build raised platform polebarns with posts for hammocks and open fireplaces for cooking and male and female bathhouse. And a few primitive campsites with fire pits and bbq grills, for people that want privacy. Maybe have a bus for picking up floaters at take outs and a boat rental.
Post the GPS location and everyone should have a fishing tournament at the location
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hell yeah id drive to nj for that 😂🤣💯
Omw now.
You’d probably get shot
@@TiredAmerican247 dude seem like a pussy no way he even knows how to shoot a gun 😂🤣
I had this happen to me a couple yrs ago. I kept the guy talking while my buddy called the warden. Long story short the Warden showed up checked our fishing licenses and gave the guy a fine and explained that he would be arrested if he came back. The DNR does not mess around when it comes to hunter/fisher harassment.
except in this case they would have been cited for trespassing, look at 36 seconds the no trespassing sign they walk right by lol
You can fish the rivers that run through private property but you must be in a boat or wading in the stream.
@Nomen Clature thats an assumption. i looked it up in federal game and fisheries. Regardless if the land under is in the deed it doesn't matter. its a public accessible river. Land owners hands are tied when it comes to public access. Anglers cannot cross private property to the body of water but from upstream or downstream it is lawful and the anglers have every right to do that. Wading in and walking on the rocks beside the stream are permissible by law. This guy is just aggravated because the anglers are fishing his favorite fishing hole. Nothing he or the boys can do about it inside of the law granted to anglers or recreational activities.
@Nomen Clature no, i didnt look up the wrong law. As long as uou enter the stream from a public access there is nothing the land owner can do. You can float and fish through private property and you can wade the stream up to the high water mark. Look up supreme court ruling HB141. And you will have your answer to your belief.
@Nomen Claturejust because you think something should be this way or that doesn't make it that way. I done the research on it. You should too. Ignorance of the law is where you are and your acting and looking stupid by not doing it. Do yourself a favor and educate yourself. Let me help you get started Supreme Court ruling HB141.
Couple of things from a state peace officer who has spent the last 19 years enforcing game and fish laws: you need to consult onX hunt or BaseMap before striking out to determine private and public property. Second, call the local game warden for the area you plan to fish and ask pertinent questions before striking out. Third, if you know you’re in the right, ignore questions and keep on fishing. Fourth, arm yourselves when going into the wilderness. Never go anywhere without a proper sidearm. Riverbeds are state property up to the median high mark: that is, halfway up the bank from low water mark during a dry year to the point at which the river overflows its bank at flood stage. Obviously, the median boundary changes based on the slope of the riverbank, so as long as you walk up the river in the river or what appears to be an obvious part of the riverbed, even if it’s dry, you’re ok. Lastly, record everything as you did and then report it to the local game warden and file a complaint for harassment of sportsmen.
This came up on another channel in New Jersey.....and apparently the landowners do own the river/stream bed, as long as it isn't "tidal" waterway. Funky law, but that's how they do it in NJ. Unfortunately, the boys were wrong here.
@@SuperTinyTurtleThe boys aren't wrong. This is just another Boomer showing effects of the lead and paint chips.
@@te2934 You are wrong.
It's sheer insanity that this OP is telling people to carry guns. People like him are the cause of SO MANY people being shot!
@@cattymajiv Stop eating so many paint chips.
I’m 66 years old and I am very impressed with the way you dealt with that goon. Very polite and respectful. You did nothing wrong and he was the disrespectful one.
Zackly, The old man was attempting to Southern "call his boys" like he owns THE WORLD!...nobody owns 20-miles of land and river, in any country, unless their name is.......what for it....... Putin.
Ted Turner. But no ones owns rivers or oceans etc. if it is a land locked pond and they own all the land around it they own the water. I would make it a point to canoe or kayak fish that dudes area weekly
for sure. I own 80 acres of land and i got a border with a river right in the middle. I would not take kindly finding people right in the middle of my lot. I do own the are with the river with no separate lot coming off i, it is all one lot. I can see where the guy is coming from and technically he does own the river and it is trespassing. I also got dogs that may not treat the people nicely. If it was public land it would be different and the kids in this are saying it is. I would simply just show a map of my land and asking them to leave. I am like these kids, or was but now that I own land I would see where the guy is coming from if it was legit.
Your age has nothing to do with property rights, the two kids are douchebags, the landowner has every right to protect his property.
@@chadillac365 you seem to be a little unclear on riparian rights. It is actually entirely possible to own the river. It depends on the state, but most places you do actually own the land under the water. Yes, public water happens to flow through private property, but people accessing public water do not have a right to trespass onto private property and that includes hopping out of your boat and standing in the middle of the river on somebody's dirt. A lot of it has to do with mineral rights, you can't just kayak into somebody's private property and start panning for gold or fishing for gems, that riverbed belongs to the property owner and those minerals belong to the property owner. If the water is navigable, you may navigate to your heart's content in a craft, unassisted swimming is considered trespassing.
In the case of this video, these two jackasses parked their car at the gate to his private property, walked 4 miles up his private road, stood on his private beach and started fishing from his private property... They're lucky they didn't get shot.
“I have the RIGHT to ask you for your ID.” Yeah, you do. And WE have the RIGHT to NOT GIVE IT TO YOU!! You are NOT an authority.
That is not true. If someone is on your property hunting or fishing you have the right to ask for there ID.
@@j.robichaud6638
Reading and comprehension isn't your thing is it?
@@j.robichaud6638 no the fuck you don’t lmao. Only fish and game can ask for that. And they weren’t on his property. Kindly, go fuck your self
@@j.robichaud6638 You have the right to ask anyone anything at any time. They have a right to decline to answer. Now there may be consequences of that but a land owner has no legal authority over another person. That's why we don't give a police badge to every land owner!
@@j.robichaud6638 you clearly do not understand the most basic constitutional right you have..
Call the warden immediately anytime you run into a guy like this.
For real he would have been humbled VERY quickly
@Emmanuel Goldstein I’m also willing to bet you don’t own property so you don’t even know what it’s like to find people on your land. Treat people like pricks and it will come full swing..
These 2 guys are puss..... They were scared and couldn't think for themselves. The male Karen is threatening them, he got to go to jail too. The 2 puss was too scared to do anything it's embarrassing. These 2 guys are a disgrace to men for being soft.
I ignore them act as they they don't exist
My best friend Is a warden and I remember going on a fishing trip with him and meeting a fella just as deranged 😂
Guy is demanding ID like he has some kind of authority. 😂
Gotta know your rights because no way he would get my ID!
i bet this dudes family doesn’t even like him 🤣
Than have fish and wildlife come out. Navigable water way. If you can kayak from any public launch point, it's open to the high water mark.
Need to have the USCG regulation on hand to give to anyone who wants to harass a lawful fisher.
I’ve this happen to me and my friends.
The guy argued until the Sheriff showed up.
Apparently he sold his house in a big city, and bought some land around a popular fishing spot.
The Real Estate Agent told him he “owned” half the river.
The Sheriff calmly explained easement rights and we fished away.
Most issues would be easily resolved if property owners actually read their deeds and property lines. So many just buy and assume.
Most issues would be resolved if hunters and anglers researched the laws respective to the state whose lands they wish to hunt/fish. These kids obviously did not do their homework before they trespassed on this guy's land.
@@jennifer9528 I agree with you except there are occasions where it's difficult to get accurate information. I have used apps before and local knowledge to determine what is public v private. One fly shop owner in a Colorado spot we frequent assures me every time there' a five mile stretch of public fishing passed a particular creek and yet there are a bunch of private land signs posted in this area. I always err on the side of caution and I have a six pack in my car to give up as a peace offering.
All of that said, I thought the lads handled it about as well as they could.
When in doubt, DO NOT PROCEED. Not all landowners are forgiving or nice. The absolute bottom line is RESPECT. For Nature, for God, for your fellowman. And his property.
There are places where the river is actually private, by law. Keep that in mind when trying to prove someone wrong.
He had to have been trying to hide his “secret” fishing spot.😂
Lol
To be fair that dude was on the juice 🐟🎣🤫
His old ass wouldn’t be able to scale that wall though 😂🧐
Lol
@@1Rod1ReelFishing should blow his spot now
Buddy was definitely trying to save his “secret spot”
I understand that but he definitely didn’t need to be a dick
buddy def owns that land and his pissed some punk youtubes is tresspassing on his property
@@andrewgio1 0:36 theres a no trespassing sign on the tree.... im really dissapointed that mikes lying for click bait...
@@Greed636GLmao the guy that sign on the tree to keep people away from the lake so he can have it all by himself😒
@@bobbyhill6919 It's hard not to be a dick when you are a dick! Definitely a Male Karen. Just fish!
Just so everybody knows, in the USA, any open water source is considered public property. Rivers, and lakes fall under this category. Depending on the state you live in, creeks and ponds may also be considered public as well, and if you don’t want people on your land, you have to pay to divert the river or creek off your land yourself.
Edit: comes with the territory when you buy your land. Do your research before buying land with public property on it
your statement is correct except that you must first start from a public access point, Don't assume that you can access public water ways through private land, a legal easement must be employed.
In WI as long as you keep your feet wet you can walk along any stream.
@@andersd8956 you are wrong. You can walk along any stream in wi keeping your feet wet and fishing as long as you entered on public land or hap permission from the owner. If you don't agree you can take it up with the Wisconsin Supreme court.
Just so you know, this is not necessarily true. There are only 3 publicly navigable rivers in Kansas. There are many other rivers that are not public, meaning, land owners own up to the middle of the river and if you are on it and not the owner, you are trespassing. Many kayakers use these non public navigable waterways thinking it is legal and it is not.
@andersd8956 you can own land but you don't own navigatatable waterways.
It shocks me how hostile people can get in the middle of nowhere, where no one can hear their cries for help when they mess with the wrong person.
They always assume they are the 'wrong person.'
@@themadpaddler9043 I'm not familiar with US laws, but in Canada, it's illegal to harass anglers, hunters and other outdoorsman.
cool wrote mine then seen yours
right, they get used to the privelege of protection to disrespect
It’s scary how people will claim what they think it truly theirs. Straight delusion. Or over privileged.
“The boys and Ranger Jim” lol this guy is just throwing out word salad. He is a bully.
And he lies
A bully and a sociopathic liar.
Word salad! Love it!
@@TheDoggyOnTheWall these guys are fishing on private property and they know it. They have multiple videos fishing illegal spots or private places but they dont care because they want to just make money on youtube no matter what. They dont respect any fishing etiquette because they arent fishermen, just kids who try to make a quick buck.
@@HPxG323Calling a river private property is ridiculous. This is just some rich douche trying to bully people away from public waterways because he owns the land on the sides.
It’s truly a shame that kids can’t even fish in peace anymore. Kudos to you dudes for being cool and respectful 👍
He would rather have you play ,play station fishing games . What a sad sad guy . He should of encourage it
Not cool to trespass.
It's funny you say that until I was 17 or 18, I never got in trouble for fishing on someones property
Trespassing is prespassing(sp?)....a crime. Why can't anyone answer the question(s)....?
should just told him to fuk off and walked away, no posted signs. signs must be posted every 50' or something.
Here in Norway, we have a wilderness law that says you can be where you want in nature as long as you show consideration for others.
Yes but people in Norway are much better behaved 😂 us Americans would have that rule changed in a week because we don’t behave
@@drewsaunders8484 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well it’s not so diverse there lol 😂 if we had population stats like u guys we be good trust me. Diversity is not our strength lol
screw that, I own 30 acres, people cant just come use it anytime they want.
Not if you are on someone's land
Interesting how he "owns" a publicly navigable waterway. I'll be visiting soon. You guys need to stop being so passive with these people.
@@gasoven3759 Thats a negative, if you knew anything about New Jersey laws you would know Public Trust Doctrine. Public Trust Doctrine insures Public access to all TIDAL waterways and Coastlines. This means, as in clearly visible in that video, that the waterway in question is influenced by tides, Therefore under New Jersey law they reserve such waterways for PUBLIC ACCESS AND RIGHT OF TRAVEL.
If you have the address for that waterway it would be even easier, as the GIS survey will indicate if it is public access or not. Whatever dumbfuckery you think happens when you "touch the bottom of the waterway" is actually hilarious and has no basis in law. From an actual Lawyer.
And another thing, one also has the freedom to travel next to such waterways as there must always be a public easement or right of way to provide safe passage, regardless of if that easement or right of way is on private property adjacent to publicly navigable roads or waterways. One does not need to "float" on such waterway to travel, one can walk adjacent to it lawfully, as this provides safe passage for individuals who may not be able to swim. And as one states, if they are free to go they are free to stay.
@@itzahoax934 this is does not look tidal. Tidal new jersey is unlikely to have that sort of scenery. I could be wrong however.
Also that "dumbfuckery" you speak so elequently about is known As king's Grant. And is very common east of the Mississippi. I'm not sure if new jersey is a Kings Grant state, but here in Virginia, exactly what that gentleman wrote is quite possible. Look up John's Creek access. Not only is the land under the water often included in a deed and enforceable by law, but in some cases the water running across/through is by right the landowners and even if these boys were sitting in a boat, they could be trespassing.
@@jpmc271 While the state may convey the private rights (jus privatum) associated with
tidelands, it may never convey the public rights (jus publicum), and the private
owner may never interfere with the public’s right to access tidal waterways and
their shores adjacent to their property. While the private owner does have the
right to use the conveyed property for the approved use, they must also be
aware of the special nature of the lands and the public trust rights bestowed
upon them.
Tidal as defined by NJ state code is:
Tidelands, also known as riparian lands, are all lands that are currently and formerly flowed by the mean high tide of a natural waterway. Barnegat Bay, a naturally tidal body of water, is an example of tidelands. However, New Creek, a tiny tidal stream that flowed through the city of Newark a century ago but has since been filled in and built over, is also an example of tidelands. New Jersey contains an extensive network of tidelands, both big and small.
Meaning if they are affected by Natrual tides, they are considered tidal waterways. You can see this clearly with the debris along the waterway indicating there is a high tide.
@@itzahoax934 I think we're in agreement. My thinking is this is not a tidal waterway. The debris you speak of could be tidal, I'll take a closer look, thought it appeared to me to be nothing more than a high-water area caused by varied flows either from a dam or natural leveling changes.
Virginia has similar rules for Chesapeake watershed areas, though in many cases the land owner still owns rights to the low water mark such as for duck hunting crabbing etc.
@@jpmc271 A lot of homeowners in NJ believe they own the waterways behind or adjacent to their property but 99% of the time its a grant on the title. Usually passed down from previous owners in order to build docks etc around the area. But its still owned by the state and considered Public Property, just granted to them for specific use.
Also some get a bit confused and think "tidal waterways" are only beaches. But like I said above if they have the address I can pull the GIS records and confirm. If I'm incorrect then thats that, but the one guy was spurting ignorance.
edit: Also even if changes were made to the waterway, such as additions of levies or dams are still considered tidal lands. Hence the inclusion of "currently or formerly flowed by mean high tide of a natural waterway". Meaning unless that man or previous property owners built that river/creek from the ground up or it is not connected to another natural waterway, either currently or in the past. Then and only then is it private property.
You handled this like a PRO. Much respect on how to de-escalate the situation and not stooping to his level.
They escalated the situation by acting all secretive. If you get caught trespassing onto someone's property it's probably best to show that person you are not there to do bad things.
LOL the kids were just making gopro clickbait for youtube, like the motorcycle riders who flagrantly break driving laws then get in self-engineered arguments and confrontations with car drivers. All fake. Clickbait.
Super respectful young men you guys handled yourself extremely well!! Good job to your parents because teenagers simply don't act like this without parents proper upbringing.. God Bless you two and your parents!!
He busted out the power move when he name dropped Ranger Jim
This is the problem with so many interactions. Someone gets angry and doesn’t want to back down even though they are wrong. You handled it well.
was he wrong? many local jusrisdictions prohibit creekwalking if the ground under the river is landowner property. many state laws are written that way. plus these bozos are standing on the bank above the high water mark.
" I own as far as you can walk".
"You had to walk across my neighbors house to get here".
huh?😂😂
Lol right?
Maybe the neighbor rents the house from him. Not defending the old guy, just thinking outside the box. Lol. The guy was ridiculous, there's better ways to approach people "trespassing" to fish.
Just step in the water and tell the man see I am not trespassing now please leave us alone and walk the water edge back.
"Call DEC" and the license on his chest, looks like NY. We get a lot of those people up here, my mom's neighbor threatened to call the police on me for trespassing on his property. He was on my mom's property.
I'm so sick of people like this guy. They have more money than most and they think that means they can treat everyone like garbage. These young guys were practicing catch and release and they were really nice. This guy is being a scum bag. Is it possible for people in that area to actually own a river? In most areas, you can walk the riverbank. Is that not the case here.
Yup most people are like that here in NY they think they know EVERYTHING but in reality they don’t know anything 😂
@@bassandgrass567 I’ve literally had people try and throw me off of public land lol. When I told them it was public they asked me how I was so sure. I just told them that I have permission to hunt the private land next door lol.
Lots of unanswered questions with the self called owner of the world guy. And he has dogs running freely off a leash in State Parks Lands?. Obviously he has on waders and is actively trout fishing this stretch of river so with that in mind i would venture to say he is competing for the area which looks pristine trout habitat. My guess is he is over stepping his ground by making all these claims and his aggressive nature towards these young anglers.
Karen is showing the sure tell signs of meth addiction actually. Incoherence, talking in circles, and not quite grasping reality. I mean, I dont want to assume, but he acting like a meth head. It erodes both the body and mind. Thats why he couldn't follow on the rocks. lol body and mind.
Private property starts past the high water mark. Public access is up to that mark.
depends on state, some that only applies to "navigable rivers and creeks", meaning ones that a boat or barge can go down. for non navigable, then the landowner owns to middle of river/creek unless he owns land on both sides, then it's the whole thing
This came up on another channel in New Jersey.....and apparently the landowners do own the river/stream bed, as long as it isn't "tidal" waterway. Funky law, but that's how they do it in NJ. Unfortunately, the boys were wrong here.
@@SuperTinyTurtle so the boys were the karens all along
@@SuperTinyTurtle Dont let the boys fool you, they knew perfectly well they were on private land. This same kid has multiple videos on youtube where he is fishing clearly illegal spots or private waters, always acting as if he didnt knew he was doing anything wrong.
@@HPxG323 Incorrect, this is just another Boomer showing the effects of all the lead and paint chips
Regarding the guy saying he owned "half of the river", depending on the state, if it's a navigable body of water, he can't keep people off of it. For example, in Michigan, landowners can own the land under a river but they can't keep the public off of the water if it meets the standard of navigability.
Just to be clear thats only good if you're kayaking or canoeing.
In my state the private property ends at the river's high water mark, so where they were standing wouldn't even technically be his property. I don't know how it works in NJ though.
This is true in ALL states in the US... the only requirement is that the water is "navigable" and free flowing. Also at high water any islands that form are public easement unless there is a structure on the land.
Yeah unfortunately he's right ..ur feet can't touch the ground he owns ..u can float
@@a-damgrubeer8527 Wrong, when the land is under water it is public easement. You still own structures, or islands formed with structures on them. And land under water is ok to be on.
Remind me to never move to whatever state this is.
I think its New Jersey.
Where are you from homie this state has a lot of craziness, trying to move to another state soon !
It’s called America
Must be north jersey, it's where most the aholes are lol. Best thing about jersey is the (recent) legalization ;)
@@thedundie5476 American is not a state it’s a country 😂
I appreciate your upmost respect that you give to that sketchy, territorial gentleman. You were both very polite and well spoken. Well done for maintaining a calm demeanor.
Territorial? If somebody hopped over your back fence and started fucking around in your swimming pool, I severely doubt you would be calm. A man has a right to protect his property.
And how do you know that? Do you know that man? I do not feel that he owns 1000 feet, 1 mile or even 10 miles, he just has a big mouth.. Maybe you also?
The word is “utmost” respect, not upmost. Millennial, sheesh
@@joehalliday6081 cry more boomer
@@TheMBBenton please make sense
the irony of him saying to be polite when he was aggressive from the start
This guy was an ass! You were polite and told him the truth. Good for you for being the adult in this situation. Good job!
Bad that you did not force him to call the police. He needs an education before he gets hurt.
A liar assumes that everyone else lies too! He was lying to you. Any navigable river is a public waterway.
@@bonitamartin4954 why can't you people understand the law? A navigable waterway is only public if you are on the water itself. You do not have a right to access private property along the bank. Do not have a right to hop over somebody's fence and use their private road to walk to their private property.
I dare you, I absolutely fucking dare you to go down to Mississippi and park your fucking boat on somebody's private boat launch. I dare you.
You can go down the river all you want, you may not set your feet on private property.
@@rickb1387 if the police would have been called those two little shit bags would have been under arrest. They parked on the other side of his private gate and walked along his private road and were fishing on his private property. You do not have a right to access public water from private property.
Every lake and every public River has public access points, you may only use public access to access public water you may not use private access to access public water private property is private motherfucking property what the fuck part of that do you not understand?
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This is what happens when you find someone’s secret spot. 😂
Facts
He’s salty I would have just kept fishing like, is this the spot you didn’t want me to find?
We own 500 acres which includes a very popular fishing stream!
In our state and with this type of stream we own bank to bank!
We almost NEVER run people off unless they are being disrespectful! This guy is a total douche and obviously has a chip on his shoulder! Making friends helps preserve the resource! Shame on him!
@@tedberchtold getting all you're trout and morels jk. 😳😄
You guys did this perfectly that man had no right he could’ve been anybody
I can't believe you guys listened to this guy for as long as you did. I would have arrived at "fuck off" much, MUCH sooner.
You and me both.😂
Yup
In my state they could have lost their fishing license. If that was his land
@@jim2498 In Canada ALL bodies of water are PUBLICLY owned and 16 ft from all bodies of water are also PUBLICLY owned so we don’t have to deal with this bullshit.
honestly considering the guy doesnt know their names and is basically in the middle of a forrest with them, take his phone and everything else and run back to your car, this guy can get hurt harassing the wrong people, stupid old man
Nice work guys, great to see younger generations getting out and enjoying nature and fishing. The older guy should be ashamed of himself, he could have handled that so much better and been kind enough to let you know it was his land, but that you were fine to have a fish there anyhow. Peace from Australia!
All you had to do is tell him your name...
Just say Alex Peric
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Someone tried this to me once. I tried to explain but finally just said, “well no ones around let’s fight for the river.” He walked away. 😊 -Texas
Lol got to love Texas literally can fish anywhere as long as it's on a river system most people in Texas dont care anyways
That's Jersey, back in his day he fought every day on the way to school. Uphill both ways. -haah
Lmfao
Wow..you real tough guy! You name Hank Hill? Dale Dribble? I know other tough cowboy in Texas.
@@patrickcline5944 yea thats why he added a blushing smiley face at the end, to prove his "toughness"
Wow, a 4 mile walk (8 miles round trip) to get to that destination. Only to find this guy? You handled it better than I would've.
Exactly.
If you trespassed onto my private property I would very much put holes into you if you did not leave immediately when I told you to. Ain't no arguing, ain't no talking about it, ain't no pass and go ain't no collecting $200 you get your ass off my land or find out hot .243 lead tastes like.
Handled it better than you would, eh? I wish you would step on my dirt and tell me what's what. Private property is private property, it's time you communist punk's learned that the hard way.
@@rivermcratt3683 You should learn what right of way is before you wind up in prison. You would probably be better off in there.
@@RIVERSIDEREVIEWS That means you can't go into the woods, you can still walk up the river.
@@Billy420-69 okay, explain what you think I need to know about right of way. I have zero easements and there is zero public right of way on my private property so what is it you think I need to know.
I think communist pukes like you need to learn about private property before you end up in a hole, which you probably be better off there anyway.
On x is your friend here. Some property Karen's need to be enlightened. Props for keeping it civil. Some people need to know laws both ways!
Old people: “kids never play outside anymore!”
Old People:
It's not an old people or generational thing. There are just angry assholes out there period.
It's a wealthy asshole problem. I let people walk across my property all the time. It's grass, they won't hurt it. Guys like this have small lives.
@@kobayashimaru8114 - Exactly, and I don't think anyone can own a river or its shore, nonsense. He should have encouraged them and said come back anytime. They weren't drinking, doing drugs, leaving garbage anywhere or polluting the river etc. so leave them alone.
@@montyrayza7220 yeah people definitely can own parts of waterways depending on the state. In my state if you're property line has a stream or river intersecting it and you retain the water rights, then you own that part of the waterway.
@@Master_Yoda1990 Oh interesting I didn't know that.
I bet he owns the moon and the stars, too.
@Bob Donald he's being sarcastic
Babyface...owns the moon and stars...he wrote a song about...lmao
Well, one thing for sure, according to New Jersey (where this occurred), old man Karen owns the land under the water to the midpoint of the stream. He doesn't own the water.
Lol he does if you wanna fish there and he's bored.
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I’m a 57 year old, old fart. You guys seem sincere and well-spoken. It’s too bad you were treated that way. I wish you well.
You’re young
57 years young
What the fuck are you talking about? These guys are full of shit!
@@latetodagame1892 you must be old fart JR.😂😂🤣😅😂🤣
@@latetodagame1892 Karen Jr. that’s you!
He is the embodiment of Chris Farley’s sketch of the “man living in a van down by the river!!!”
No, not at all.
He's mad that you're fishing in an area nobody generally reaches.
True lmao
He's claiming that he owns to the middle of the river which you can't. He's a piece of garbage, bullying some kids.
Dude is pos. This is why I carry weapons when I fish
@FruityDickens depends on state. Some states water is owned by state including river banks up to high water mark. In those states if access river legally can walk/fish whole length of the river as long as stay close to shore. Other states water is owned by state but not bottom of the river. Can only float on top of water through those areas. I lived on amazing wild fishery river in California. We'd get huge trout that'd come up from big lake to spawn and some would stay after snow melt. Occasionally would catch 35in range. As water dropped in summer most bigger trout would concentrate in deeper pools. Over a decade I spend at least a few days a week walking endless miles fishing or dog walks. Down river from us there were dozens of houses near river over 5 miles or so. Didn't have an issue a single time. Got to know a few people on first name basis. I can certainly sympathize with some private property owners if they are having problems in the area. But fuck assholes like this guy. Being all threatening and totally unreasonable with a couple young kids even when they were being respectful and offering to leave.
@FruityDickens there's actually an allowance in natural waterways (rivers, creeks,lakes) that nobody own like 15 feet from the highest watermark so if you came in along or on the river it's not his property just the land around it is
He thought you guys were lying that you were athletic enough to get there without the road lol. You guys are great.
Was no footage of them coming in. Why is that?
This is why I mainly stopped bank fishing and bought a fishing kayak. Got sick of karen's and other bank fishermen fishing on top of me. You should float down to that same exact spot and fish it again.
They are just two kids fishing. This guys a real piece of work.
you guys handled this perfectly he didn't need to know anymore then what you gave him
Agreed, I love the internet tough guy comments. You never know who you are dealing with in a confrontation. See those poor people shot to death in PA this winter over a stupid argument that escalated quickly.
@@surfrat8884 Has nothing to do with being a tough guy sometimes you have to stand your ground and check these types of people when you know you're in the right , a lot of these landowners and people with $ in general think they can talk to people however they want
@@surfrat8884 Those poor people that started the bullshit in the first place and were known to be antagonist. The same poor people that kept yelling at the guy and would not let him alone? No wonder this country is fucked. People can literally antagonize and treat people like shit but when the person that is being subjected to it acts out than its a problem. Like being ok with the bully and penalizing the victim being bullied. I do agree the kids did nothing wrong. After the first minute they should have called law enforcement as it was evident the guy was not going away and that would help straighten out the issue.
@@chazman4461 Are you talking about the fake stuff in the snow where zero blood came out of the woman that was shot like 10 times? A couple shots in her head? Why do you think that was never blown up on the news? You can easily see its fake.
No words for this one 😳 what a day out there bro. We experienced it all on this send. The next one is gonna be more laid back, I promise 😂
Yall need to fish more for sure i like yalls energy
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@@1Rod1ReelFishing luv you bro🖤
I wanna see the video where yall call the county and get the papers showing that he doesn't actually own halfway through the river, then go back and tell him to suck one while you slay fish in "his creek"
@@1Rod1ReelFishing so you can run away like little Janets?
Bro he's doing the Karen phone hold too 😂
U can tell he’s done it before 😆
LMFAO THE KAREN PHONE HOLD HAHAHAHAHHA
@@1Rod1ReelFishing pro
He used his hands?
Honestly, I feel like you handled it well. Sometimes you have to defuse the situation, and some people can take Skye's tone of voice in the wrong way when the individual thinks his point of view is 100% correct. Sometimes it's hard not to let your pride get the best of you, but I'm glad things did not escalate anymore. Definitely good content.
The guys dog even knew he was a prick and tried leaving with you guys 🤣
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Jersey guys are a different breed, that’s all I’m gonna say 😂
He just mad you found his spot 🤣🤣🤣
I bet I’m the first dude he’s seen fish those falls in 2021 🎣😈
@@1Rod1ReelFishing keep fishing these hidden gems brother! People don't like the younger generations, most of them it's hard to gain their respect.
@@zomiozander6378 not true..most older fishermen are all about the youth.this guy was a dbag.
First thing I would do, talk to the sheriff/dnr about the location. I meet people like this in mn sometimes. I just tell them talk to the sheriff and they shut up right away
@@datruthhurts3984 Yeah. You tend to meet this kind of guy on a summers eve.
You did no wrong
And you acted right
You were wise, patient, offered very little information and remove yourself from the situation.
Well done lads
Do some investigations and if not, host a tournament there.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 freakin savage
Oh that would be awesome. Guy comes down to tell a crowd of guys to get off “his property”😂
@@kaedenvanderkooy1163 0:36 theres a no trespassing sign lol
@@Greed636G on the land. The river bank is public
But I hope he has a tournament pemet
I don't believe he can actually "own" any part of the river. I own property that ends at a river, and I can not tell someone to stay out of the river. I've had many people fishing from my little river beach, I usually ask if they caught anything good, ask them to please not leave trash for me to pick up, and wish th good luck. IF he REALLY has a shooting range as he said, you would have heard it, I think he was full of bullshit. Probably some overgrown spoiled wealthy jerk, who was never taught respect.
Actually, as I just mentioned in my own comments, you CAN possess parts of a river, through commercial river rights. Consider a marina or yacht club. They don't "own" the river, but having commercial river rights does allow you to put out docks, a marina etc. and have unwanted persons removed.
We have property that has a river that runs through it. We do caution people not to dock on the beaches, there are warning signs . We don't mind of someone is fishing , but my uncle has a very large pack of dogs that aren't too friendly and they will protect the live stock
Trees reflect and absorb sound , not to mention flowing water. What caliber is he shooting and which way is it facing all determine if you would hear it or not from a distance
Is it respectful to trespass on someone else's land? I don't think so. If you do own land then you know how all this goes.
False you own the river bed and banks
This man has a strange problem. He told them to get off his property, they said they would without challenging his claim, and that should have been the end of it. It shouldn't matter how they got there once they apologized and agreed to leave. You handled the situation brilliantly.
Tweaker
I was confused because I was like that was it? I couldn't have imagined the interaction went beyond that. Lol. Then it just does.
Small dick, that’s the problem.
If you notice, they were in the floodplain of the river. State land extends to the median high water mark of the river. They were clearly below that. The river was pretty low. They could have stayed there and to him to pound sand.
He talking to people who could under age that way. It alarms me. The Karen was also talking like a meth addict.
"Show me how you walked in!" "Well, I took my left leg and moved it in front of me like - HEY! Are you WATCHING this? PAY. ATTENTION. So, I take my left foot and I put it in front of my right foot, like this. Then, I take my right foot..."
Good on you guys. Props to Skye for not allowing that dude to push him around, and to you for being calm.
The problem is that he hasnt proved that it's his property at all and simply claimed it was. Thus you had a point not to disclose your names. And once he informed you that it's private land, you began to move. That should've been the end of it but Karens do what they need to do...
Him and “his boys with motorcycles”
People like this is why where i am that the shorelines aren't owned by anyone, the property to access them can be used unless it's cultivated land. You are not allowed to block access to any waterway if there is any sort of access that is reasonable.
"Any resident shall have the right to go on, upon or across any river, stream or lake in boat or canoe or otherwise, for the purpose of lawfully fishing with rod and line in such rivers, streams or lakes.”
@@RadDadisRad dem Proud Boys? Lol
for someone who wants you to leave so badly, he sure likes to stand around and chitchat
Exactly
He knows they won't leave without an escort
leaving without an escort or not is irrelevant to my comment. yes he was escorting them, he kept stopping to chit chat rather than rush them off his property WHILE escorting them off it, like he couldnt walk and talk at the same time
More like sh*t chat
He just likes to boast about land he doesn’t own
Kentucky Ballistics sounding pissed😂😂
Dude. OMG. I'm a 61 year old woman from Jersey who grew up fishing and rafting. You. were so polite. This is nuts.lol You handled it so well.
You not 61
“I own half the river, a quarter of the mountain, 1/3 of the sky and my payment is still pending on the sun”
ROFL!
Lol
hahahahaha
Lol Awesome He's the king of the mountain
The issue isn’t fishing on the water. It’s trespassing every time they were above the high water marks. In addition to the brats acting entitled.
The guy was a jerk. You guys did an awesome job keeping things calm!!!
I recently went to this spot he said the game warden was on the way game warden told me have a nice day enjoy youre fishing
He was in a bad mood because he was not getting any fish 🐟😆
Call division of wild life and have them meet you there. Explain exactly where you went and have them tell you if you were ok,or not.
Yes I agree
@@nichorusso4316 boomer ego trip is such a good term for these people
I am kindof a grumpy old guy but with these two young men I wouldve made friends. Probably wouldve watched them fish while I fished, and told them if they wanted to fish til dark I would give them a ride back to their car.
Very respectful young guys and they had right to be sceptical about this guy. And did right not showing id or giving specifics on where they were parked. He was trying to be intimidating and aggressive, real men speak with authority but not intimidation.
Hope they continue fishing and having fun. Maybe float that creek
I believe national law states that if it is a navigable waterway land owner rights ends at the high water line! Google it!
@@jimmccandless4307 you are correct. But a stream or creek that runs seasonally may be exempt from that law. Also some states have different laws about flood plain usage. If the survey pins go to the waters edge on a black water river or lake that is recognized as private even if it floods a couple times a year.
He said he was about to bring Ranger Jim down there 😂
Lmao ranger Jim probably hates this guy
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@@robred9269 if I were ranger Jim I'd be pretty annoyed
Swear like the fuck is JiM ganna do
Jim is probably involved in his meth operation. lol Showing the sure tell signs of meth addiction. Incoherence, talking in circles, and not quite grasping reality. lol
Guy is lucky these dudes are chill. Imagine walking out into the woods and confronting two random strangers by a river. If that's not terrifying, you've never met a goddamn soul in your life
when encountering Jack wagons like this you need to call the DNR. there's no reasoning with these people.
Should of had him call the ranger. And prove it one way or the other. Or just fucking get off is land stupid.
I would have said ok call the law they can't arrest you if it is his land all they can do is tell you to leave then trespass you so you can't come back if it's his land. I don't know how it works in new Jersey but where I live if you have permission or public access to any lake, stream, creek or river you can fish all you want plus 10 feet of shore on even on private property. I also deal with clowns that act like this man all the time that think they own everything and feel like idiots when the call the DNR.
@@joshsmith7176 But instead they want to raise all kinds of dust flying. And then ask the questions based on no facts. Yes, get the police there then see where the dust settles.
I’ve been dealing with a guy like this for the last few years at my favorite spot. His land ends about 50 feet from where I fish and he’s come over citing all sorts of this and that about state laws, etc. I finally had it and contacted the rod and gun club that manages the lake/brook. Since then, I’ve seen him angrily traipsing around his property but that’s about it. The worst part of it all is that he’s *FILLED* the woods with “no trespassing” signs…practically every other tree and it’s really robbed the area of its natural beauty. There’s nothing worse than aggressively territorial residents…
If he owns it he owns it not like the douche in this video
If it's their land they can be as aggressively territorial as they want, some people work very hard too become land owners. I'm sure you'd rather see a over abundance of posted signs than a trashed river.
@@generalfranco9399
No, that is absolutely not true. That does *not* give them the right to harass you when you aren’t on their property, aren’t breaking the law or causing a disturbance. That’s how many aggressive land owners behave…there are countless stories. How can you possibly defend unreasonable land owners and how did this become a conversation about littering? That has nothing to do with fishermen…fishermen have always been at the forefront of conservation.
@@manifestgtr Sounds like they were on his property and he told them exactly where his property is at. Ever seen public waterways? They're trashed, that's what they're trying to avoid. When did this become a conversation about off their property? On there property they can do as they please, land owner = right to tell you to gtfo his land. Land.....OWNER.
I was once young and adventurous but in my youth every one respected others. You young men seem to be outdoorsman and that’s so awesome to see these days. The old saying it only takes one to ruin it for all holds true today. You handled the situation correctly hats off to you both. As for owning the river 🤷♂️ I have never heard of that but I live in Appalachia. Continue for the rest of your days enjoying life and the outdoors as all people should. The man admitted that he had boys your age fishing in the river, the father in him should have been proud that you were fishing and outside instead of doing drugs and in front of a tv killing zombies. But I assume some people have left a bitter taste on him and now he’s the way he is.
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Personally, I prefer people not doing drugs OR trespassing. Of course, it's debatable if they are actually trespassing, but trespassing is also bad. It's like saying I can steal your food because at least I'm not robbing a bank. It's irrelevant to me.
The only time you can have someone arrested is when someone refuses to leave.
I know it's completely different but I got "attacked" by a similar man here in Sweden.
I live next to a lake, own fishing rights to that particular lake and once during a sunny summer night (midnight sun) I got approached by a very upset man who arrived around 01:30 in the morning. He said " HE KNEW THE F*CKING OWNERS" and told me he would call the police if I didn't leave.
Knowing I was fully in my right to fish there I called the police first.
They arrived in a cruiser after a while and the man spent a good 15 minutes ranting some made up story about how I "illegally fish and abuse the nature" around that lake.
Then the police turned to me... Showed them my ID, pointed at my house literally next to us and proved my rights with some papers on my phone. The angry man who had been lingering in the background flipped out and called a bunch filthy names, one which would translate to "f*cking homo gypsy satanist c*nt"...
Police arrested HIM for various reason and I spent a good 30 minutes showing pics of pikes, perches and zanders I've cought in the lake to the leading officer. Turns out he was a massive fishing nut. Just like me. So that officer now fishes in my lake and that's justice to me.
This happened last year by the way.
Awesome!
I do love a happy ending.
You handled that calmer than I would have. Here in Nova Scotia nobody can own any part of a river.
In Oklahoma where I am a person can own the land under the water but not the water, so if floating in a boat your ok if wading in the water where touching the land under the water you can be trespassing, crazy huh ?
Its the same all over Canada.
Some rivers have special leases, which im against, but it doesn’t prevent you from being on the water, just fishing on it.
NB here.
It's not true in New Jersey. There are several private rivers, and often the river is owned to the thalweg. But the water and the fish? They are the peoples of NJ's and you can't claim ownership of that. There's a few private fishing clubs on the Black River and Raritan that come to mind. This is partly a result of private property being owned before NJ was a state, a tradition from Dutch and English common law, as title on many properties can be traced back to Dutch or English colonial times.
Most states have the landowners owning the land but no one can own the water.
We used to do this about every full moon in the mountains. We would came in a State or Federal land then when the full moon came out for the night we would raft and fish down the creek down to more State land. Get picked up by one of that didn't fish and we'd do it all night
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Here in Ohio you can own the land under the water if you own both sides but don't own the water top... And if there is a different owner on both sides of the river then it's mutual between owners to the bank. Very stupid here in Ohio!
You sure handled that differently than I would have.
Me too. Unfortunately I probably would have cussed the guy out !!
If that would have happened to me... it would have been too graphic for TH-cam.
@237 dude it doesn't matter if your friend is exmilitary .what does that have to do with anything? All that tells anyone that comes across your comment is that your buddy Mike and his buddies are unhinged and trigger happy. The kids acknowledged they were in the wrong and didn't know they were on private property apologized repeatedly and proceeded to leave. Your friend Mike kept on being a douche nozzle and harassing them . If you watch the video til the end you can see these kids rock climbed up and down and didn't take the route the oldfart kept insisting they took . Your friend is a nutcase I'm a vet too doesn't mean I gotta be a total douche to some kids in the middle of bumf*** nowhere especially after finding out they may have trespassed unknowingly. And I highly doubt your friend owns half the river my dude.
@@chadillac365 Why thank you.
@@markevans8977 lol...... Strong words!!!!!
How dare those young men respectfully fishing instead of out doing hooliganism
Do you think that Karen made it home??😂😂😂😂
He owns to the midpoint of a river! He must be Aquaman himself.
Nope, he can own the land under the river, the state owns the water. So you can fish the river in a boat but if you're on foot you are trespassing on his property.
For non tidal waters in NJ, you can float through private property, but not wade on the bottom or anchor. However, you can walk on the bottom, or even the bank, to navigate an obstruction, like a dam or fallen tree.
@@johnnyjohnson2942 High water mark is public on navigable waterways
Depending on what state you are in and depending on what land the guy owns and depending on if that is considered a navigable waterway. That said in Mississippi if you own land that stretches from one side of the river to the other side of the river then you own the land under the river even though it is a navigable waterway that is why it's perfectly ok to canoe down a river but not to use an ATV because the ATV would be considered trespassing. You have no right to be on the banks fishing on someone else land and depending on how you got there makes all the difference because most don't sweet people on the banks within 25-30 feet of the river fishing but would have an issue crossing vast amounts of their private property to get there. I should know former Constable...
he is an idiot not Aqua-man
He owns everything, the road the land the river the air you breathe.
And the space, allllll the way up.
below the high water mark is federal property. he would have to have a specific easement.giving right to use . nobody owns under the river
@@robertcox9795 where the fuck do you people getting this high water mark bullshit from? New Jersey law has no such riparian right. There are many places, California especially that private property includes underneath the water. Yes, the water is public and you can float down to water all you want. What you may not do is get out of the water and step on to private property. Any of this high watermark crap you guys keep talking about is not for fishing or boat launching. I dare you to try this shit on the Mississippi River, go down in the deep South and tell somebody you can fucking walk all over their private property if you feel like it, see where that gets you.
FYI, the reason why many states have riverbed rules is because of minerals. In California especially, because of gold, you cannot access the riverbed on somebody's private property, a landowner owns land underneath the water. This is to prevent somebody from swimming down to the bottom of your property and collecting your gold. You can be on the water all you want, but you cannot enter somebody's private property. I don't know why that is so difficult for you motherfuckers to understand.
Read my comment
@@dcollier7239 what comment?
This caught my attention as I own land with a river. I've encountered "trespassers" but you guys had to be the nicest guys about the situation. You immediately apologized and offered to leave... It should have ended there. The people I have a problem with are the ones who argue to stay and leave trash behind. If they offer to leave, it's all good and we part ways as I understand some people don't understand it's private property. Honestly, I'd not care if people didn't leave trash everywhere but some people aren't respectful of just enjoying the river without leaving a mess behind. This is the only reason I ask people to leave. You guys handled the situation good and showed respect, that land owner went overboard.
Theres no such thing as trespassing waterways if they're in the water.
@Littlebitta Thisnthat
in my state that’s not true. If you’re standing in the river you’re their property. If you’re floating you’re not. The owner owns the creek bed but not the water flowing through it. So you can kayak down rivers and streams all day long.
If it's private property it has to be marked as such.
@@stewartj3407 then you should move to escape tyranny. We have right to free travel in the usa. Water ways are way of travel.
@@littlebittathisnthatfirear8048 he just said you can float freely through you just can't stand on the riverbed.
Lmao he has ZERO ability to demand your license. That's not even how trespassing works...yet he says hes "not an idiot"
"F off, call the cops" should be the entire conversation.
Exactly sorry we didn’t know we’ll leave he keeps going then it’s f you call the cops
I agree except for the f off should have stayed cordial and said go ahead go take pictures of our license contact the range or do what you have to do we're going to fish but I think these guys felt that they were in the wrong or weren't sure and that said then they should have left and they did
No conversation call the cops public river shut up call the cops keep on fishing my crew my ass
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Thats what I was thinking. They were RIGHT on shore. Hike to stream/river, fish.. The banks [of rivers/streams/creeks/etc.] are owned by the state; in all states, aren't they?
“I own to the mid point of the river”
I would have crossed to the other side and kept fishing
U cant own the high water mark of any navigable waterway
@@jacksonbowser4660 exactly unless it is zoned as non navigable but yeah you're right
he doesn't own any public waters.
The owner did say that very thing - go to the other side of the river - it's public.
Proud of you guys you were honest and Kind you told the truth 🙌🏾
I'm just here for the GSP pup running around :D
Only 1 guy who can answer all this nonsense “ Ranger Jim” where you at homie?
my thoughts exactly
I'm gonna put no trespassing signs on my favorite spots and ask everyone WhErE dId yOu PaRk
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unless of course it was his land? I deal with people like this all the time trying to hunt and fish on my property.
Going to do this on the Port Aransas jetty and see how long before I have a gun pulled on me. 🤣
@@1975Jdonov they just need a kayak and he would have no claim.
@@FH-cn3mg that is not true. That is a stream you would have to walk partially to get up stream.. It is too Rocky and to shallow in parts.
Find out where his property ends. And bring as many people out and fish
I thought the same thing
That sounds fun. But then again, wouldn't that hurt the fish population of that river or area?
👏👏👏👍🦈😎🇺🇸!
@@roastchicken401 catch and release. Just do it to upset the guy.
Catch and fart on EVERY fish just one parcel up river? :D
You guys need to let these guys know they are wrong. Stop being so chill lol
Lmao you should’ve asked him for proof that he was the property owner 😂😂
After he was so adamant, I would have called the bluff and told him to call the ranger. Bring it.
@@Aeguis deadass he was like I’ll have all my bike buddies and ranger him out there getting pictures
Call the warden and file a complaint. He has no right to harass you like that.
This is the right answer.
Even if it’s On his own land?
@@robjenstreet He doesn't own the river. You can walk up a river fishing behind people's houses completely legally.
You live in a crap country, you are so proud of 🤮🤮🤮🤮
@@nunliski You are allowed to navigate on the river that goes through private land but you cannot cross or set foot on the private land at any time. You have to access the river from a different public location. The warden would arrest this goof immediately for trespassing. And the ruling applies only to navigable waterways. If it's a small stream you are trespassing if you set foot anywhere in the water or land.
He may be right about his land but he owns no part of the river!
That's exactly right!!! The asshole was making shit up. Must be democrat.
He may very well own the bottom lands of the river to the midpoint. Once they step ashore they are trespassing
This didn’t happen in Alabama, but in Alabama, that is a mixed question. It may or may not be the same in NJ.
In Alabama, you can be in a boat on the river (even if he owns both sides the river), and I suppose you can walk up the river near the bank if it isn’t too deep or fast. But, you cannot get out onto dry land without trespassing. The rock cliff is not the river. Even if he owns the whole part of land under the river, in Alabama you have the right to be on or in the water without trespassing. You can not step on the shore.
Rivers are considered “waters of the United States.” Anyone may boat on any navigable waterway.
In Alabama you often do own to the middle of the river, but sometimes rivers erode or silt in a shoreline, so it isn’t necessary the center of the river today, but what was the center of the river when the federal government issued the patent (title to the land to an individual). You’d have to be a surveyor to figure it out.
That said, unless there is a sudden and dramatic shift in the course of the river/creek, most people maintain the shore as the line.
When I see people fish on my property, I sometimes greet them and we talk about fishing and the beautiful day out, other than that good luck, enjoy have a great day.
Being older myself, I can still remember being young and invincible and being able to leap mountains and rivers with ease. The property owner has probably forgotten or was never able to accomplish such feats. He cant picture the path you took. He very well could be jealous and grumpy. I'm extremely jealous of you guys. Wish i could perform as i used to. Just be careful.
Don't we all 🙂👍
Aren’t we all? Do you ask a stranger where they park? Watch Audit the Audit
They get hurt the owner can lose everything
This old man was nothing short of a bully…thank you for not being like him…he was assuming everything. Very entitled embarrassing old man who could have handled this so much better. Thank you for being as respectful as you were.
This Penis'Head
Was A 🐷Wanna-Be!!!😠
This is his land. They were trespassing, and they lied to him. They also ignored the trespassing signs (0:37 on the tree, upper left-hand corner of the freeze frame). They were fishing lands they obviously did not familiarize themselves with and then they wanted to argue with him when they were clueless.
If anyone was acting entitled and embarrassing, it was the kids. It's not difficult to look up the laws in the state they were fishing (NJ), nor is it difficult to familiarize yourself with a map of public lands. Try it sometime; you might just learn something.
@@jennifer9528 step away and argue to the wind 🌬️
@@jennifer9528 I don't see how they were acting entitled when they... Literally left. People are attacking the guy for no real reason though, nothing he did was remotely close to "bullying."
Its guys like him that gives all of us seniors a bad name.
Boomer!
Dude was like 40-ish.
You can tell what kind of person he is, whining about millennials.
If the lads are trespassing there trespassing simple
Yet Karen gives Breaking Bad a good name. lol That is the ramblings of a meth addict, the sure tell signs of it. 100%
He would be joining the fish if he started shouting and waving his finger at me.
I'm in my 60s and I hope that my 10 grandkids would be as polite and considerate as these 2 young men. The old guy didn't know when to stop and kept projecting his errors onto the boys. I wonder what he is like in real life? I've read hundreds of comments and it is impressive how many people out there would handle this completely different. I do everything I can to not be a grumpy old man like this guy.
I would hope my grandchildren would tell him to eff off
i just watched a video covering this. the supreme court ruled that any navigable water way IS open to the public. and no land owner that has any navigable water ways running thru their property cannot lay claim to that water way.
He's not. He told them that came in thru his property. They can walk down whatever river they want. They can't just use his property to get there.
@@dougvuillemot8670Riiiight and the point is they walked along the river to get there. He lied, they didn’t.
@@triumphant39walking on the shore is walking on his property. Walking in the river is considered a right of way even though he may own the bottom lands of the river
They can only use the navigable waterways, in a boat. As soon as they step onto soil they are trespassing. It's as simple as that. They WALKED up the riverside, therefore they were on his land.
I think you mean no land owner that has any navigable water ways running through their property CAN lay claim to that water way.
And on top of that, if he started demanding my ID I would start demanding proof that he was actually the Owner of the Property. That dude could be anybody.
What if he showed it to you right away?
@@83442handle Um, then I probably wouldn't ask for it🤨 but that's not what happened, so why even ask that question??
@@jerodrobinson4040 Why did you say he should have asked for proof since thats not what happened either. 🤨
@@83442handle I'm saying that would have been my response to that confrontation. Not making up my own confrontation out of thin air to make somebody else's response not make sense. Your just being weird Guy.
@@83442handle Is this actually making sense in your head before you say it?