Very nice! If i understood it correctly - 1. Reduce speed when turning while I am leaned 2. Use the rear brake progressively to reduce the radius of the turn 3. Use counter-steering (press the handlebar) to lean into the turn 4. Let the handlebar turn naturally as the bike wants to lean 5. Do NOT brake quickly, this will make you fall. Will practice this, thank you!
Great info after 45 years riding thanks . We all like to think we know about our bikes . this video might save someones life . God bless you for the time you put in making it.
I came back from Metz doing the course last weekend and feel like sharing a few words. If you catch yourself watching Anti Pilote de Ligne Droit videos more than twice, it's time for you to plan yourself a trip to France. :) It will be more than worth it, you will learn a lot and acquire fantastic new skills which may also save you from a possible future crash, if you rely solely on countersteering to turn and one day slippery surface betrays you. This is more than just riding a motorcycle, it's about increasing overall awareness and proprioception about you and your body. If you have ever done any martial art in your life, you'll find strong resemblence, it's about finding that fine delicate feel for things and perfecting it. Yes, this is a martial art, and Clément is a sensei. A motorcycle Yoda which will show you your way to become a Jedi knight. :) He'll take you into the deep dark forest where 2+2=5 and you cannot (!) fall of the motorcycle. You'll be up exploring the uncharted territory through a series of challenging tasks and brilliant exercises and each will grab you way out of your comfort zone but at the end you will manage!!! :) Come fit! The body effort needed to lean the motorcycle Japanese style is very tough on your core, as you need to hold your body yourself at all times, so better come as fit as you can, do stability exercises, planks, side planks and push-ups. Come prepared! Study all the major Anti Pilote de Ligne Droit videos so you can ask all the right questions. Take your girlfriend/wife with you! Metz is a beautiful place and France at its best! The closest international airport to Metz is in Luxembourg, which is only 1h train ride away. That's a convenient way to arrive. My advice: take a week off and do two courses on two consecutive weekends!
Not enough likes for this. Perhaps because it is beyond a lot of us (myself included). Thank you anyway. Very much appreciated and maybe in 50 years when I'm ready to take on your wisdom...
You're welcome :) This is why we are providing motorcycles with crash bars during the courses we are organising to help people to have less fear to try that :)
This is an outstanding video. To explain the physics behind the process is extremely helpful ... and then demonstrate the outcome = University quality teaching. Brilliant !! Thanks Professor!
Well you have proven me so wrong I'm ashamed. I watched a video of a woman riding a bike with clip on bars for the first time and just couldn't get used to the ergonomics of that stance. I said riding with tiny bars with no spread, gives you way less turning control. And i dared anyone to do a bike course using no hands. Man, you've done it. It's definitely a balance thing. And you ve definitely shone me. Riding straight,with no hands, is piece of cake. But doing detailed corners,,,,lots of trust and practice. Good job and explaination. Gyro effect, is a definite fact on a bike. But rider balance can truly make the difference. Thanks.
This is genius. This is not a noob video. You won't understand until you start riding. I'm going to impress alot of ppl I ride with. No one does this. It's just like a bicycle except you have a back brake to make things easier.
Thank you :) I did that just to show that you don't need to use your handlbar, just let it do what it has to do. The only bad thing is that in this configuration, I can't use the... front brake lol
wowzers !! i thought that it could only be done on a bicycle ! geez , you all definetly showed me something. plus as i seen in slow motion ans still shots . . . the reason '' why '' the bike corrects itself in a tight sharp turn. it is the side of the tire, makes it grab more and PULL to that direction abruptly. as like riding a 4 wheeled car through a triangle sand box. . . the direction changes dramatically. awesome video !! 3000 thumbs up !!!
When I first watched this video series in the summer I didn't quite understand what's really happening. But now after watching it again it made my brain click. Now it all makes sense and corresponds well with my previous knowledge. The pieces of the puzzle came together and I can see the bigger picture much better now. Thank you very much for this video! Joieux Noël!
“If you brake (in a turn) too much, you’ll have a mass transfer to the opposite side of the lean angle” ... this is the simple reason why braking in a turn picks the bike up (and is a common cause of accidents). Hadn’t ever thought of it this way, merci!
Fantastic video .. excellent explanation of steering a motorcycle!!!! Thank you very much !!!... knowing these principles helps me to understand what I’m doing when I’m riding a little clearer ..
You're welcome. If you liked this video, you should look to this new one too, it is about the link between lean angle, rotation and balance: th-cam.com/video/ua_qU5gSiqs/w-d-xo.html
Hey mate, how do you keep your throttle one when your hands are off the bars? I want to practise this self steering technique👍👍 Great videos, thank you
How do you keep Power on the bike without holding the clutch? It seems that the bike holds for a long time it's Speed without holding the clutch or the throttle. Do you have a cruise control option? Because If I try this on my bike at such low speed on u turns for this long then it would fall because of the low speed
I increased the idle. Then, I play with the rear brake to adjust the pseed: I push the brake to slow down, and I release it to increase the speed. But I did that only to be able to go outside the turn. Without that, I can turn, but I will stay in the turn. So it is possible to do it without increasing idle, but only with four cylinders bike, I think.
I've used this 'on the road' in 'almost' straight stretches.Made some curves doing this.But I wouldn't do this very often in any kind of traffic or anything.This could end up very badly if one was moving in a curve at 70,80 mph and hit a road imperfection.Still...it's a good vid man.Good job explaining and riding..cheers!
Thanks. But if you take a look carefuly at the video, thre is a moment where there is a whole on the parking, and when the front wheel goes in, the bike does'nt fall :)
I recommend you watch "A Twist of the Wrist." You will then realize that you are still countersteering, you're just not doing it by actively pushing on the bars. This "passive" countersteering is the reason why the bike tips in more gradually. Simply countersteering using less pressure on the bars would have exactly the same effect. Also, it is false that a proper handling bike "wants to straighten itself as soon as we stop pushing the handlebar." You prove this yourself every time you turn the bike with no hands on the controls.
I agree with the self counter steering. But this means you don't need to puch the handlebar, and I think most of people think "push the handlebar" when they use the term "counter steering". You can't compare the moment where I push the handlebar, with the one where I don't push: when I push the handleba, the bike leans faster, so it reduces the radius faster, and this is why when I stop to push it straighten itself. When I don't push the handlebar, the bike leans slower, then the initial radius is not so tight, and the force which will straighten up the bike is less effective. This force is there for sure (this is why I don't fall), but not strong enough.
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite So, just don't push as hard if you don't want to tip it in as aggressively. Maybe riding with no hands on the bars is a way to train yourself to use gentle inputs, but it's not a "new" way of riding or steering a bike.
So, do you mean that you know a lot of people which are leaning the bike without pushing the handlebar ? More over, this is not the only thing I use to turn, as I told in the video, decreasing the speed (not only before the turn, but when you start to lean, and to do it until the bike is falling inside) is another things to do too. I know that other riders can do it, but they are doing it on race track, and most of them think it works only there. Maybe it is not new for you, but it is new for lot of people.
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite I know plenty of riders who can steer a bike without using the handlebars. Nearly every kid on the planet can do it on a bicycle. In fact, it is much more apparent on a bicycle that what you're actually doing is countersteering by moving your body instead of directly applying force to the bars. This is because bicycles generally have a steeper rake, which makes them more reactive to inputs. I suggest you hop on a bicycle and ride it hands-free, and pay close attention to the steering head. It should be plainly obvious that the turn is initiated by countersteering. I'm not saying that people do this regularly, however. What I'm saying is that from the bike's perspective, what you are doing is absolutely and categorically 100% identical to countersteering by applying force directly to the bars. To lean a bike into a turn, you must apply a moment in the direction you want to lean. Whether you apply that by using your hands to manipulate the thing designed for steering the bike, or by wiggling your ears, makes no difference to the bike. The fact that you can't apply as much force/moment by moving your body around as you can by applying pressure to the bars just means you can't tip in as quickly. It does not mean you can't use the bars to tip in as slowly as you like by simply applying less pressure. If you practice applying gentle inputs to the throttle, brake, and bars, you will find that you can make exactly the same turns as you can hands-free, but with more control to make the turn tigher/wider or slower/faster if you want to. I also know plenty of riders use trail braking on the street. It's not a revelation to anybody with knowledge of high-school physics that any combination of decreasing speed or increasing lean angle will decrease the turn radius.
We don't know the same kind of riders, it seems. And as I can see in the comments, they are not plenty of them who can do that, or who know that. So again, if it is not new for you, it is cool for you. I don't understand why you need to say it here, but I am glad for you if this kind of riding is not new for you. If you look at all the video, riding without hand is not the point. It was made to show that you don't need to push the handlebar. After that, when I can use throttle and brakes, then I have more control of my bike, for sure, and this is why, even if I added stop steers on my bike, I can do tight and fast turns. But you don't need to use your handlebar to turn or to lean.
That's why my 10 Inch wheels on my mini bike doesn't have the same effect (feel) as it does on my bigger bikes. I knew it had something to do with the gyroscopic properties....Thank you!
I understood your video completely sir... please do more videos with English subtitles.btw I am master of technology student. it's hard to do videos, but it is simple to spot bugs. you are responding to all comments in a positive way.. love from India
Thank you, man. Yes, it is always easy to give bad comments: and I think the main reason is that I show something that not everybody is doing. Then, you have 3 reactions in this case: some people doesn't care, some people like it, and some people are jalous, so they don't like it :)
Thanks for taking the time to make this tutorial/instructional video. It’s my problem I don’t speak French so I will watch it several times pausing it when necessary to digest the information as I think it is intended. Come to Melbourne, Australia! You’d get plenty of riders who would want to participate in your trading course! Thanks
You're welcome :) I think even if you can understand french, you should watch it several time, and with the pause button :) I would love to come in Australia. Please organise a course other there, and make me come :)
There are mistakes in this video: 1. gyroscopic effect is may be important but it is less powerful force than the the inertia (the one you referring as centrifugal) force, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics#Gyroscopic_effects (for 50 mph, gyroscopic effect is just 12% of all forces) 2. motorcycle handlebar ALWAYS counter-steer BEFORE initiating a turn. Even when you lean with your body without touching handlebar. Even if you turn at slow speed. It's just happens for a short time and you don't feel it, but it's measurable. Summary: leaning help you turn faster by compensating (changing direction of) inertia forces with gravitational, but it doesn't make you turn without counter-steering. I think that deliberate counter-steering + body leaning is faster than just body leaning.
Gyroscopic effect and centrifugal force doesn't affect the same on the bike... Gyroscopic effect will slow down the rotation of the handlebar, and centrifugal force will prevent the bike from falling, to do a short summary. About counter steering, when I use the term "counter steering", I mean "push the handlebar", as everybody is used to do. I don't mean self counter steering.
Ha ha. This technique WON’T get you killed on the highway......unless you habitually do 5mph slaloms around traffic cones amongst normally flowing traffic. It is a technique for low speed manoeuvring and looks very effective. Getting the de-gressive braking right using the rear brake must require great finesse and much practice. So...in context....It’s a fun party trick....not an emergency sharp steer tool for riding at speed. Great vid.
Thank you :) But where in the title do you see "emergency" ? It is about doing tight corners. And you don't have tight turns on highway :) More over, any wise riders will never be in emergency. When you are in emergency, this means you did a mistake, according to me...
Great video on the riding physics even though the demonstrations and more so the English subtitles needed work. Understanding these concepts and properly applying to your normal riding will make a person a better rider for sure. Those who ignore or do not apply body positioning in technical turns could really benefit from this.
Thank you :) And you are right about english subtitiles: I am from France, and France lost the war to control the World, so the World doesn't speak French, to much bad for me lol
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite It could have been worse, we all could have been speaking German! All kidding aside, your subtitles were not too bad, and the only reason I made the criticism was because this is a very technical subject. Such a topic could be hard to clearly convey even in your own language. Hopefully, it was clear and comprehensive enough for most viewers to understand. Thanks for sharing!
Amazing explanation, and impressive results with so less effort, I cannot wait to try it, question how do you keep the speed? Are you in ralentí in 2nd gear or do you have a cruise control to keep the steady speed?
Thank you :) On the cbr, I can change the idle, but on the cb500, I was in 4th gear. But you can train keeping your hand on the the throttle: the main idea here is not to remove your hand, but tou understand that you should have no pressure on the handlebar. This meanbs you can keep your hand on the throttle, but you have to use the rest of your body to be able to do it without any pressure on the handlebar :)
Thanks a lot for your prompt reply! I was trying this on 1st gear and struggling to keep a steady speed, I will try using a higher gear thanks and good work!
I'm wondering when you steer with no hands, to the right at lets say 30 km /h whether or not the handle bar still goes to the left a tiny little bit first, because of the leaning that you do with your body ? I read in an American physics paper from a university , that that always has to happen, to initiate a lean, any lean, with any 2 wheeled vehicle with the wheels in front of each other at any speed. Like with a normal bicycle that all the kids ride, the amount the steering wheel turns in the other direction first is so small, that it is almost unnoticeable, They usually do not call this phenomenon "counter steering", some call it "counter leaning" (not be be confused with putting your weight on the ouside, during a traditional European U-turn technique)
Oh, ok, I understand lot of things now: in France the concept "counter leaning" is most of the time using for counter weighting lol. For sure, the front wheel first goes in the opposite side at the beginning, but we can't see it most of the time, as it is a few. When you are leaning the bike with your body, you are moving the gravity center first, and as there is a friction between the front tyre and the ground, which is behind the movment of the center of gravity, it pulls the front wheel first to the opposite one, but then the effect of self rotation is stronger and the front wheel goes in the direction of the leaning. You can see part of it here: th-cam.com/video/7Im3eU9LBZ0/w-d-xo.html :)
Wow! That's some trick riding (impressive, and did not know this could be done.) I am not sure exactly how this will help me, as a new rider, to do a tight turn corner on a motorcycle. What is recommended for those of us who will hold on to the handle bars? Step by step please, for practicability, we could benefit from your tips. Thanks again for the video! (How fast was the motorcycle going on those hand-less turns?)
Thank you :) Step by step is not possible, I think, as you need separate skills taht need to be felt to be understood. In a summary, you will have to accept to let you fall, to let the handlebar turn itself, to control the speed with throttle and brake, then, to play first with rear brake only, then, with both brakes... When I give some course, sometimes it takes more than 1 course of 3 days to be able to do it, so... Here you can have more tip on a big bike: th-cam.com/video/ZMl3Y-4Tcrc/w-d-xo.html
Excellent content here, especially demonstrating no hands turning to understand the physics of the turn better. So on the street, (bringing each point together) wouldn’t combination of trail braking into the turn, an initial push of handlebar to initiate countersteer, and lean angle give the best turning result for a tight corner?
@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite Thank you for the great videos you make. I still need to think a lot more about the physics and learn more. A question: In the video, don't you apply throttle at all? No gas? Let's say in 1:27 -- in which gear are you riding? Does the bike have enough power to maintain the speed without the rider applying throttle? Or do you use some trick? Maybe the reason I am asking is that I am riding a smaller bike and don't have (that) experience with a 600 cc bike...
Thank you :) It depends,... some times, it is first gear, but some time 4th gear lol and you can play with the idle, to be more confident But the real point is not to remove your hand, but to release the pressure on it. Then, you can use your throttle to change the idle as you want :)
Very interesting ! But the question I have is how is the bike continuing it's speed without slowing down? Cruise control ? I have a v twin and letting go if the gas will bring it to a stop in a few seconds. Thx 👍
On the CBR650f, I have increased the idle, but on the CB500, I have not. I was only in 3rd gear :) But I know it depends on engine. How old is your bike?
Thank you :) Yes, I can understand what you mean, but it is difficult to find the balance, some times. I count on the fact that you can look at the video as much as you can, and can do some pause, to be honest :) By the way, it is not easy to understand, even in training course, it took some times to the trainee to undertsand it.
lol you're welcome :) Don't hesitate to watch it several time, and to use the "pause button", it will give you some times to read and to undersdtand better :)
Thanks for the video. Can I ask how do you keep the motorcycle running round and round without throttling? When I close my throttle my bike will slow down and eventually stall. Is it because your bike has a big engine? Are you riding on second gear? Thanks
It depends on the idle and the number of cylinders. On less than 4 cylinders, the bike usually stalls if you release the thorttle, with a normal idle. If you want to train you can increase a little bit the idle, and you will not stall anymore :)
Yes, it is kind of. Front brake for trail braking is most of the time used to help to lean the bike, and starts when the bike is quite straight. Here, you can make the handlebar to turn more, when the bike is already leaned, with the same kind of braking, but with the rear brake :)
While you advice on driving, leaning and counter-steering are correct, you have some of the math mixed up a bit. The fact that the front wheel is rotating, and producing a gyroscopic effect, will not force the bike up. It will in stead "resist" any force applied to the steer, and translate that steer into a tilt. You word about maintaining counter-steering all the way through the turn, is correct, but with a slight modification. With counter-steering, you directly translate a force applied to the handlebars, into a tilt. So to lean the bike into a turn, you initially apply a "large" force to the handlebars. This will bring the bike down, and your turn will start. If you completely remove all force from the handlebars, the bike will then slowly rise again, thus opening the turn, so to sustain a sharp turn, you will have to apply a "lighter" force to the handlebars. When the turn completes, you can the make the bike rise again fast, by applying opposite counter steering. It is also not 100% accurate, that counter steering will reduce the grip. However, as counter steering can increase your turning ability by ten folds, it will of course also put a much higher strain on your traction.
Maybe this video is not clear enough, it seems :) Counter-steering is only the first part of the movie... The rest shows that even with no hands on the handelbar, at several speed, you can lean the bike, and do some tight turns (so tight that I was in full lock rotation) The key was to reduce the speed, and to use the fact that the bike will not fall because of the rotation of the handlebar (I do a fully stop without my hand on the handlebar, it turns, and I don't fall: even without gyroscopic effect, so). It is showed in the video. And to end a turn, you don't need to use the handlebar too. You can just use acceleration... About your last point, about the reducing of the grip, as I was speaking about the front wheel in the video, I was speaking about the grip of the front wheel. I think the biggest point is that this is too much different from what is usually told about how to ride a motorcycle :)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite Your video is actually one of the better on counter steering. The main reason the handlebars are turning, is the self stabilising effect of the bike. If you front forks were 100% vertical, it would be impossible, because then you as a rider would have to maintain the correct steering angle matching lean angle, and that would be impossible. So the reason your handlebars are turning is not because of you (as you clearly demonstrates by not touching them : ), but simply because the bike is a stable setup. Many people think they "turn the handlebars" at low speed, and then the bike turns, but that is not correct. You actually start by leaning, then the bike tilts, then the handlebars steer. Holding them is merely for stability reasons. Accelerating out of a corner, will help raise the bike, but it is also the recipe for a low-sider. Braking is even worse, as it will also tend to raise the bike, thus opening the turn. This is one of the most common crash causes. The rider gets into the turn, but then gets second thoughts, and starts to break. That raises the bike, widens the turn, and the riders ends up crashing.
:) Don't try with no hand, yes, it is not usefull. Here, I done it only for demonstration. But you juste have to release the pressure on the handlebar :)
really nice Video, never seen one this good before. so in the end it means in corners let the handlebar do its thing and don`t push to counter steer am I right? counter steer only to "enter" the turn:)
Thank you :) It is possible to NOT counter steer even to enter the turn... But you'll be able to accept to fall to the ground with your body, and to hold the bike with your legs, butts and back. So the bike will follow you in the fall. And you can "accelerate" the fall of the bike with the brakes, as they can modifie the geometry of the bike, as you can see it is n this video: th-cam.com/video/xXyXoFjUyds/w-d-xo.html
Hopefully this thread is not too old for a new comment. I would like to clarify one point: are you saying that you NEVER counter steer? Would you repeat the exercise in which you demonstrate counter steering and do so without touching the handle bars. In other words, please demonstrate swerving around an obstacle without using counter steering. I presumed your video was meant to show us how to do low-speed, tight turns without counter steering. But, your responses to some of the comments imply that you NEVER counter steer. I find that hard, if not impossible, to believe. And, I feel that conveying that message to inexperienced riders is extremely dangerous. Please clarify. Many thanks.
Yes, I say I never use counter steering, meaning I never push the handlebar to lean the bike when I want to turn :) In terms of emergency, here in France, we have a to do a test about it, and it is possible to do it without counter steering. But no matter the technic, I think that in real emergency, we will do bad things, even if we are trained. But I agree with you when you say it is hard. It is a complete new way of leaning, that can't be resumed by one tip like counter steering :(
You have to use the front brake to change the geometry of your bike (but it means you need more speed at the beginning, and to know how to use the degressiv brake), and to use your body to lean the bike not only at the beginning of the turn, but to lean more and more during the turn, until the combination of lean and speed makes you reach the "falling point", where you have no choice to re accelerate: this will make you faster, because the acceleration will not straighten up the bike immediatly (because of the "force of the fall"), this means you can start to accelerate earlier. But you need to increase the musles of your body (legs, hips, ankles, abdominal, flanks). It is a sport, and when you look to professional riders, they don't have big arms, but you can guess that the rest of the body is very strong :)
Yes, you're right, but in physics, thanks to the action-reaction system, the force that you mean generate the force we are used to call centrifugal force :)
Great vid but would have been miles better with vocals instead of all the text. Was hard to take the text on board and also look at the actual vid. Great bit of knowledge and skills
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite Alors du coup c'est " worse " ! Blague à part, très instructif et appréciable d'avoir de nouveaux horizons d'apprentissages pour la moto ! :)
When the pressure is increasing, you will feel that the handlebar wants to turn inside. In order to lean more, you have to reduce the pressure in the same time of the lean angle. The key is to let it go, but it is hard, as the mass transfer push your weight on the handlebar... So you have to use your legs, and to decrease the pressure as soon as the handlebar reaches the full lock :)
These techniques change so much from what it is used to learn, that your previous skills doesn't matter. A new rider can lear as fast as an experimented rider, as the experimented rider will need to forget all he learned before this lol
It depends on what you want: if you want to lean fast, counter steering is more effective, but in this case, the bike will want to stand up itself quick. So it is good to do an emergency avoidment, but not for a long curve, from my point of view :) Then, self balancing combined to reduction of the speed is better.
That formula is for centripetal force, which is a real and measurable force toward the center of the circle, I believe. Centrifugal is a perceived or apparent force without a formula. Maybe it’s best to leave the formula out of the explanation. 🙃
Hi, I added something (I don't know the word for that) that hold it. You have to find the idling adjustement screw, and then, you can move it to increase the idle :)
Thank you :) So, if you like this video, you will probably like this one too (about how to use brakes to lean/turn tighter) th-cam.com/video/xXyXoFjUyds/w-d-xo.html
Hi Unfortunatly, I don't think video is enough, but why not ? In other case, you can go to Japan to ask an instructor to teach you this kind of riding :)
So, all I need is a steering damper and cruise control, and I can start using your steering method? Until I find an obstacle in my path... I'm no expert, but it seems pretty labor intensive. Great for riding in parking lots (carparks) though!
lol no, I made this video without my hand on the handklebar to show people that you don't need to turn or to counter steer. There is another way to lean and to turn. And this way is safer, more efficient and more fun when you can do it. Even outside parkings lots...
Great video and a very good demonstration. A little spoiled by imprecise translation (from French) of a collection of very precise biking physics. Some of the finer points seem a little confused but I think it’s only a translation thing. Really good video and demo, though!!
Yes, the feeling for sure, but the fact that the bike self balance itself is working for every angle of the steering column. But it will modifie the speed of the self balance effect. The lenght of the fork influences this too :)
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It's one of the best driving instructions I've ever seen. This is how you have total control of your bike and you know WHY it is so.
Thank you :)
And as you can see it here, it works with big bikes too: th-cam.com/video/l19wT9lOPrc/w-d-xo.html
Very nice!
If i understood it correctly -
1. Reduce speed when turning while I am leaned
2. Use the rear brake progressively to reduce the radius of the turn
3. Use counter-steering (press the handlebar) to lean into the turn
4. Let the handlebar turn naturally as the bike wants to lean
5. Do NOT brake quickly, this will make you fall.
Will practice this, thank you!
points 1, 2, 4 and 5 are ok, but not 3. I don't use counter steering, as I told it in the first part, it works, but it is not the best ;)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite You''re right. It's pushing the handle the direction you want to go. Counter steering only works with high speeds
Love the way you explain the physics influencing the tight turns. Every rider should master these notions for safety and enjoyment of riding.
Thank you :)
There is so much more thing left to say, but everything can't be shown in a video :(
Great info after 45 years riding thanks . We all like to think we know about our bikes . this video might save someones life . God bless you for the time you put in making it.
Thank you for your kind message :)
I hope it can help, as I know that a video is rarely enough to make people to train. But if it helps, I am glad.
I came back from Metz doing the course last weekend and feel like sharing a few words.
If you catch yourself watching Anti Pilote de Ligne Droit videos more than twice, it's time for you to plan yourself a trip to France. :)
It will be more than worth it, you will learn a lot and acquire fantastic new skills which may also save you from a possible future crash, if you rely solely on countersteering to turn and one day slippery surface betrays you.
This is more than just riding a motorcycle, it's about increasing overall awareness and proprioception about you and your body.
If you have ever done any martial art in your life, you'll find strong resemblence, it's about finding that fine delicate feel for things and perfecting it.
Yes, this is a martial art, and Clément is a sensei. A motorcycle Yoda which will show you your way to become a Jedi knight. :)
He'll take you into the deep dark forest where 2+2=5 and you cannot (!) fall of the motorcycle.
You'll be up exploring the uncharted territory through a series of challenging tasks and brilliant exercises and each will grab you way out of your comfort zone but at the end you will manage!!! :)
Come fit!
The body effort needed to lean the motorcycle Japanese style is very tough on your core, as you need to hold your body yourself at all times, so better come as fit as you can, do stability exercises, planks, side planks and push-ups.
Come prepared!
Study all the major Anti Pilote de Ligne Droit videos so you can ask all the right questions.
Take your girlfriend/wife with you!
Metz is a beautiful place and France at its best!
The closest international airport to Metz is in Luxembourg, which is only 1h train ride away.
That's a convenient way to arrive.
My advice: take a week off and do two courses on two consecutive weekends!
Thank you Zeljko, for this kind message :) I am very glad that you understood it as you describe it :)
Excellent video, I ride for 25 years now and never figured it out like that. This video should be on everybody's licence test.( but not tested).
Thank you :)
But it can't be like that, as lot of people don't agree with it: it is too much different from what it is usually teached.
Not enough likes for this. Perhaps because it is beyond a lot of us (myself included). Thank you anyway. Very much appreciated and maybe in 50 years when I'm ready to take on your wisdom...
Thank you :)
This video is for me the best I ever did, so I am really happy if it could help or learn some things to other people :)
Start with small bike
Thank you! Not easy to go from theory to practice though. Fear is another counter force to deal with ;)
You're welcome :) This is why we are providing motorcycles with crash bars during the courses we are organising to help people to have less fear to try that :)
Good information to know and I've been riding 42 years..never to old to learn Thanks Guy's
Thank you :)
so what did you learn?
This is an outstanding video. To explain the physics behind the process is extremely helpful ... and then demonstrate the outcome = University quality teaching. Brilliant !! Thanks Professor!
You're welcome :)
In the last video, I used Blender to do a model 3D of the bike, animated, to show more, did you see it ?
Thank you for breaking down the physics. A brilliant vid. Really appreciate
You're welcome :)
As I said to Dmandhelen, I had a lot of fun to do this video, and it is my best I've ver done, according to me :)
Best video on counter-steering comprehension and practice. Well done!
Thank you :)
But... in this video, I showed that counter steering is not the best to lean lol
Well you have proven me so wrong I'm ashamed. I watched a video of a woman riding a bike with clip on bars for the first time and just couldn't get used to the ergonomics of that stance.
I said riding with tiny bars with no spread, gives you way less turning control. And i dared anyone to do a bike course using no hands. Man, you've done it. It's definitely a balance thing. And you ve definitely shone me. Riding straight,with no hands, is piece of cake. But doing detailed corners,,,,lots of trust and practice. Good job and explaination. Gyro effect, is a definite fact on a bike. But rider balance can truly make the difference. Thanks.
Thank you :)
So I think you will like to watch this video too: th-cam.com/video/7Im3eU9LBZ0/w-d-xo.html
This is genius. This is not a noob video. You won't understand until you start riding. I'm going to impress alot of ppl I ride with. No one does this. It's just like a bicycle except you have a back brake to make things easier.
Thank you :)
I did that just to show that you don't need to use your handlbar, just let it do what it has to do. The only bad thing is that in this configuration, I can't use the... front brake lol
wowzers !! i thought that it could only be done on a bicycle !
geez , you all definetly showed me something.
plus as i seen in slow motion ans still shots . . . the reason '' why '' the bike corrects itself in a tight sharp turn.
it is the side of the tire, makes it grab more and PULL to that direction abruptly.
as like riding a 4 wheeled car through a triangle sand box. . . the direction changes dramatically.
awesome video !!
3000 thumbs up !!!
:)
That's what I call excellent turning dynamics explanation and accompanying demonstration. You can really ride that thing. Very impressive
Thanks. It helps a lot to ride any bikes :)
🎶🎶 He blinded me with science🎶🎶. Great video. Very useful.
lol Thank you, man :)
Thank you for the lesson in the physics of gyroscopic effect. It was very helpful in understanding how the motorcycle actually works
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You're welcome and thank you for the comment :)
Here, you can see that it works even on big bikes:
th-cam.com/video/ZMl3Y-4Tcrc/w-d-xo.html
Just finally got that lean angle to click bravery wise, watching your videos very much helped
Cool, I am glad if it helps :)
When I first watched this video series in the summer I didn't quite understand what's really happening. But now after watching it again it made my brain click. Now it all makes sense and corresponds well with my previous knowledge. The pieces of the puzzle came together and I can see the bigger picture much better now. Thank you very much for this video! Joieux Noël!
Thank you, and Merry Christmas to you (thank you for the effort you made to say it in French lol)
“If you brake (in a turn) too much, you’ll have a mass transfer to the opposite side of the lean angle” ... this is the simple reason why braking in a turn picks the bike up (and is a common cause of accidents). Hadn’t ever thought of it this way, merci!
Rotation of the handlebar helps too :) bu you're welcome :)
Fantastic video .. excellent explanation of steering a motorcycle!!!! Thank you very much !!!... knowing these principles helps me to understand what I’m doing when I’m riding a little clearer ..
Thank you, and you're welcome :)
I had a lot of pleasure to do this video, to be honest, and it is the one I like the most :)
Your english is improving too thanks for the videos. Very informative
Thank you, I try to do my best :)
I hope this new one will pleased you a lot too : th-cam.com/video/ZMl3Y-4Tcrc/w-d-xo.html
Thank you. Great great video. Fantastic understanding of the forces acting on a motorcycle in motion. This improved my understanding too
You're welcome.
If you liked this video, you should look to this new one too, it is about the link between lean angle, rotation and balance:
th-cam.com/video/ua_qU5gSiqs/w-d-xo.html
Hey mate, how do you keep your throttle one when your hands are off the bars? I want to practise this self steering technique👍👍
Great videos, thank you
I had increase the idle :)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite thank you so much for your reply🙏 safe riding, brother
Thanks man....cool experiment!
Thank you :)
Is he steering without hands?! Some amazing physics (and balls) at work here!
Yes, he is ;)
You can see it here on a gsxr1000
th-cam.com/video/nX93QTIaHcI/w-d-xo.html
How do you keep Power on the bike without holding the clutch? It seems that the bike holds for a long time it's Speed without holding the clutch or the throttle. Do you have a cruise control option? Because If I try this on my bike at such low speed on u turns for this long then it would fall because of the low speed
I increased the idle. Then, I play with the rear brake to adjust the pseed: I push the brake to slow down, and I release it to increase the speed.
But I did that only to be able to go outside the turn. Without that, I can turn, but I will stay in the turn. So it is possible to do it without increasing idle, but only with four cylinders bike, I think.
Just brilliant, this and the previous vid. Thank you...from an old biker!
Thank you for your comment :)
I've used this 'on the road' in 'almost' straight stretches.Made some curves doing this.But I wouldn't do this very often in any kind of traffic or anything.This could end up very badly if one was moving in a curve at 70,80 mph and hit a road imperfection.Still...it's a good vid man.Good job explaining and riding..cheers!
Thanks.
But if you take a look carefuly at the video, thre is a moment where there is a whole on the parking, and when the front wheel goes in, the bike does'nt fall :)
I recommend you watch "A Twist of the Wrist." You will then realize that you are still countersteering, you're just not doing it by actively pushing on the bars. This "passive" countersteering is the reason why the bike tips in more gradually. Simply countersteering using less pressure on the bars would have exactly the same effect.
Also, it is false that a proper handling bike "wants to straighten itself as soon as we stop pushing the handlebar." You prove this yourself every time you turn the bike with no hands on the controls.
I agree with the self counter steering. But this means you don't need to puch the handlebar, and I think most of people think "push the handlebar" when they use the term "counter steering".
You can't compare the moment where I push the handlebar, with the one where I don't push: when I push the handleba, the bike leans faster, so it reduces the radius faster, and this is why when I stop to push it straighten itself. When I don't push the handlebar, the bike leans slower, then the initial radius is not so tight, and the force which will straighten up the bike is less effective.
This force is there for sure (this is why I don't fall), but not strong enough.
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite
So, just don't push as hard if you don't want to tip it in as aggressively. Maybe riding with no hands on the bars is a way to train yourself to use gentle inputs, but it's not a "new" way of riding or steering a bike.
So, do you mean that you know a lot of people which are leaning the bike without pushing the handlebar ?
More over, this is not the only thing I use to turn, as I told in the video, decreasing the speed (not only before the turn, but when you start to lean, and to do it until the bike is falling inside) is another things to do too. I know that other riders can do it, but they are doing it on race track, and most of them think it works only there.
Maybe it is not new for you, but it is new for lot of people.
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite
I know plenty of riders who can steer a bike without using the handlebars. Nearly every kid on the planet can do it on a bicycle. In fact, it is much more apparent on a bicycle that what you're actually doing is countersteering by moving your body instead of directly applying force to the bars. This is because bicycles generally have a steeper rake, which makes them more reactive to inputs. I suggest you hop on a bicycle and ride it hands-free, and pay close attention to the steering head. It should be plainly obvious that the turn is initiated by countersteering.
I'm not saying that people do this regularly, however. What I'm saying is that from the bike's perspective, what you are doing is absolutely and categorically 100% identical to countersteering by applying force directly to the bars. To lean a bike into a turn, you must apply a moment in the direction you want to lean. Whether you apply that by using your hands to manipulate the thing designed for steering the bike, or by wiggling your ears, makes no difference to the bike. The fact that you can't apply as much force/moment by moving your body around as you can by applying pressure to the bars just means you can't tip in as quickly. It does not mean you can't use the bars to tip in as slowly as you like by simply applying less pressure. If you practice applying gentle inputs to the throttle, brake, and bars, you will find that you can make exactly the same turns as you can hands-free, but with more control to make the turn tigher/wider or slower/faster if you want to.
I also know plenty of riders use trail braking on the street. It's not a revelation to anybody with knowledge of high-school physics that any combination of decreasing speed or increasing lean angle will decrease the turn radius.
We don't know the same kind of riders, it seems. And as I can see in the comments, they are not plenty of them who can do that, or who know that. So again, if it is not new for you, it is cool for you. I don't understand why you need to say it here, but I am glad for you if this kind of riding is not new for you.
If you look at all the video, riding without hand is not the point. It was made to show that you don't need to push the handlebar. After that, when I can use throttle and brakes, then I have more control of my bike, for sure, and this is why, even if I added stop steers on my bike, I can do tight and fast turns. But you don't need to use your handlebar to turn or to lean.
Thanks for the time & effort making these videos - very inspiring & motivating.
Thank you for your comment. In fact, this video takes me a long time, but this is probably the best I did :)
That's why my 10 Inch wheels on my mini bike doesn't have the same effect (feel) as it does on my bigger bikes. I knew it had something to do with the gyroscopic properties....Thank you!
heu you're welcome ? :)
I understood your video completely sir... please do more videos with English subtitles.btw I am master of technology student. it's hard to do videos, but it is simple to spot bugs. you are responding to all comments in a positive way.. love from India
Thank you, man. Yes, it is always easy to give bad comments: and I think the main reason is that I show something that not everybody is doing. Then, you have 3 reactions in this case: some people doesn't care, some people like it, and some people are jalous, so they don't like it :)
You make it look so easy! Class rider. 👍
Thank you :)
Awesome vid! I think when u say regressive breaking u meant progressive?
Thank you :)
No, I mean degressiv, not regressive :)
Thanks for taking the time to make this tutorial/instructional video. It’s my problem I don’t speak French so I will watch it several times pausing it when necessary to digest the information as I think it is intended. Come to Melbourne, Australia! You’d get plenty of riders who would want to participate in your trading course! Thanks
You're welcome :) I think even if you can understand french, you should watch it several time, and with the pause button :)
I would love to come in Australia. Please organise a course other there, and make me come :)
I'm watching this for the second time after months and the black magic turns into some theories I want to test myself.
:)
Please look at this one: what can be done with a big bike, using this kind of skills.
th-cam.com/video/ZMl3Y-4Tcrc/w-d-xo.html
Excellent instructions!
To many wanna be instructors vlog a bunch of garbage.
Thank you :)
But what I showed in this video is not what people are used to see, so it could not pleased to everybody...
Well, that is freaking awesome piece of motophysics! Merci pour tous les explications ! c'est quelque chose qui vaut la peine d'être pratiqué !
Merci :) je pense en effet que ça le vaut, moi ça m'a permis de jouer, à moindre risque, comme quand on est gosse avec son vélo :)
Thanks for sharing, I really appreciate and love this videos....
You're welcome. I had pleasure to make it, so I am really glad if people like it :)
There are mistakes in this video:
1. gyroscopic effect is may be important but it is less powerful force than the the inertia (the one you referring as centrifugal) force, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics#Gyroscopic_effects (for 50 mph, gyroscopic effect is just 12% of all forces)
2. motorcycle handlebar ALWAYS counter-steer BEFORE initiating a turn. Even when you lean with your body without touching handlebar. Even if you turn at slow speed. It's just happens for a short time and you don't feel it, but it's measurable.
Summary: leaning help you turn faster by compensating (changing direction of) inertia forces with gravitational, but it doesn't make you turn without counter-steering.
I think that deliberate counter-steering + body leaning is faster than just body leaning.
Gyroscopic effect and centrifugal force doesn't affect the same on the bike... Gyroscopic effect will slow down the rotation of the handlebar, and centrifugal force will prevent the bike from falling, to do a short summary.
About counter steering, when I use the term "counter steering", I mean "push the handlebar", as everybody is used to do. I don't mean self counter steering.
Very, very interesting and well explained. Have a clearer understanding of it now ,Thx !
Thank you :)
Now i remember how i failed in my math class😣
lol like we all did ;)
00:21 that was the way I used to ride my bicycle at times back in the day. lol
:)
One of the most terrifying videos on TH-cam. 😄
Why ? :)
Brilliant, merci, beauboup,great info cheers mate
Thank you :)
It was a really interesting video, i enjoyed it and learnt something!
Thank you :)
Ha ha. This technique WON’T get you killed on the highway......unless you habitually do 5mph slaloms around traffic cones amongst normally flowing traffic. It is a technique for low speed manoeuvring and looks very effective. Getting the de-gressive braking right using the rear brake must require great finesse and much practice. So...in context....It’s a fun party trick....not an emergency sharp steer tool for riding at speed. Great vid.
Thank you :)
But where in the title do you see "emergency" ? It is about doing tight corners. And you don't have tight turns on highway :)
More over, any wise riders will never be in emergency. When you are in emergency, this means you did a mistake, according to me...
Great video on the riding physics even though the demonstrations and more so the English subtitles needed work. Understanding these concepts and properly applying to your normal riding will make a person a better rider for sure. Those who ignore or do not apply body positioning in technical turns could really benefit from this.
Thank you :)
And you are right about english subtitiles: I am from France, and France lost the war to control the World, so the World doesn't speak French, to much bad for me lol
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite It could have been worse, we all could have been speaking German!
All kidding aside, your subtitles were not too bad, and the only reason I made the criticism was because this is a very technical subject. Such a topic could be hard to clearly convey even in your own language.
Hopefully, it was clear and comprehensive enough for most viewers to understand.
Thanks for sharing!
@@Turco949 You're welcome, and.... right about german ;)
Great , informative videos, thank you.
You're welcome, and thank you too :)
Amazing explanation, and impressive results with so less effort, I cannot wait to try it, question how do you keep the speed? Are you in ralentí in 2nd gear or do you have a cruise control to keep the steady speed?
Thank you :)
On the cbr, I can change the idle, but on the cb500, I was in 4th gear. But you can train keeping your hand on the the throttle: the main idea here is not to remove your hand, but tou understand that you should have no pressure on the handlebar.
This meanbs you can keep your hand on the throttle, but you have to use the rest of your body to be able to do it without any pressure on the handlebar :)
Thanks a lot for your prompt reply! I was trying this on 1st gear and struggling to keep a steady speed, I will try using a higher gear thanks and good work!
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite How do you straighten up the bike without accelerating?
@@Sandwichsings the minimum idle is increased, so when i release the rear brake, the bike is accelerating :)
I'm wondering when you steer with no hands, to the right at lets say 30 km /h whether or not the handle bar still goes to the left a tiny little bit first, because of the leaning that you do with your body ?
I read in an American physics paper from a university , that that always has to happen, to initiate a lean, any lean, with any 2 wheeled vehicle with the wheels in front of each other at any speed.
Like with a normal bicycle that all the kids ride, the amount the steering wheel turns in the other direction first is so small, that it is almost unnoticeable,
They usually do not call this phenomenon "counter steering", some call it "counter leaning" (not be be confused with putting your weight on the ouside, during a traditional European U-turn technique)
Oh, ok, I understand lot of things now: in France the concept "counter leaning" is most of the time using for counter weighting lol.
For sure, the front wheel first goes in the opposite side at the beginning, but we can't see it most of the time, as it is a few. When you are leaning the bike with your body, you are moving the gravity center first, and as there is a friction between the front tyre and the ground, which is behind the movment of the center of gravity, it pulls the front wheel first to the opposite one, but then the effect of self rotation is stronger and the front wheel goes in the direction of the leaning.
You can see part of it here:
th-cam.com/video/7Im3eU9LBZ0/w-d-xo.html
:)
That was brilliant, thank you :)
You're welcome :)
Forgot to mention that the bike is equipped with steering damper:)
Yop, it is, and it helps :)
funny I used to do this on my bicycle as a kid. knowing that, now maybe ill have confidence to do it on my motorcycle.
A motorcycle is only a bike with an engine, and stop steers, that's all ;)
Wow! That's some trick riding (impressive, and did not know this could be done.) I am not sure exactly how this will help me, as a new rider, to do a tight turn corner on a motorcycle. What is recommended for those of us who will hold on to the handle bars? Step by step please, for practicability, we could benefit from your tips. Thanks again for the video! (How fast was the motorcycle going on those hand-less turns?)
Thank you :)
Step by step is not possible, I think, as you need separate skills taht need to be felt to be understood. In a summary, you will have to accept to let you fall, to let the handlebar turn itself, to control the speed with throttle and brake, then, to play first with rear brake only, then, with both brakes...
When I give some course, sometimes it takes more than 1 course of 3 days to be able to do it, so...
Here you can have more tip on a big bike:
th-cam.com/video/ZMl3Y-4Tcrc/w-d-xo.html
Fantastic! Do you consider the steering damper necessary or advised for this kind of exercises? Thanks.
If you are able to release the pressure on the handlebar, yes, you need the steering dumper :)
amazing video! 👍
Thank you, I think you will like this one tooo, it is on BMW1200RT:
th-cam.com/video/ZMl3Y-4Tcrc/w-d-xo.html
I guess his throttle was locked in position to not have to touch it? Great video!😀
Thank you :) on the cb650, yes, the minimum idle was increased :)
Excellent content here, especially demonstrating no hands turning to understand the physics of the turn better. So on the street, (bringing each point together) wouldn’t combination of trail braking into the turn, an initial push of handlebar to initiate countersteer, and lean angle give the best turning result for a tight corner?
I don't think that you need to initiate with counter steer. Trail baking with front brake is better :)
@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite
Thank you for the great videos you make.
I still need to think a lot more about the physics and learn more.
A question: In the video, don't you apply throttle at all? No gas? Let's say in 1:27 -- in which gear are you riding? Does the bike have enough power to maintain the speed without the rider applying throttle? Or do you use some trick? Maybe the reason I am asking is that I am riding a smaller bike and don't have (that) experience with a 600 cc bike...
Thank you :)
It depends,... some times, it is first gear, but some time 4th gear lol and you can play with the idle, to be more confident
But the real point is not to remove your hand, but to release the pressure on it. Then, you can use your throttle to change the idle as you want :)
Very interesting ! But the question I have is how is the bike continuing it's speed without slowing down? Cruise control ? I have a v twin and letting go if the gas will bring it to a stop in a few seconds. Thx 👍
On the CBR650f, I have increased the idle, but on the CB500, I have not. I was only in 3rd gear :)
But I know it depends on engine. How old is your bike?
i liked the video, very interesting indeed!!
but i find the writing explanation not to clear, and some demonstrations difficult to understand
..keep it up!!
Thank you :)
Yes, I can understand what you mean, but it is difficult to find the balance, some times. I count on the fact that you can look at the video as much as you can, and can do some pause, to be honest :)
By the way, it is not easy to understand, even in training course, it took some times to the trainee to undertsand it.
You lost me pretty early on but awesome riding. Thanks
lol you're welcome :)
Don't hesitate to watch it several time, and to use the "pause button", it will give you some times to read and to undersdtand better :)
The big discovery for me is ....the motorcycle is self balancing. Give it the right input and it helps you, it wants to stay upright!
Yes, and I think this is a big discovery :)
Thank for your videos!
You're welcome :)
Thanks for the video. Can I ask how do you keep the motorcycle running round and round without throttling? When I close my throttle my bike will slow down and eventually stall. Is it because your bike has a big engine? Are you riding on second gear? Thanks
It depends on the idle and the number of cylinders. On less than 4 cylinders, the bike usually stalls if you release the thorttle, with a normal idle. If you want to train you can increase a little bit the idle, and you will not stall anymore :)
Ive passed my mod 1 swerving at 58mph
The examiner stopped the test right there and said "ok youve passed lol, lets go back"
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is this technique of reducing speed in a lean complementary to trail braking with front tire?
Yes, it is kind of. Front brake for trail braking is most of the time used to help to lean the bike, and starts when the bike is quite straight. Here, you can make the handlebar to turn more, when the bike is already leaned, with the same kind of braking, but with the rear brake :)
Wow amazing just subscribed!!
Thank you :)
While you advice on driving, leaning and counter-steering are correct, you have some of the math mixed up a bit.
The fact that the front wheel is rotating, and producing a gyroscopic effect, will not force the bike up. It will in stead "resist" any force applied to the steer, and translate that steer into a tilt.
You word about maintaining counter-steering all the way through the turn, is correct, but with a slight modification.
With counter-steering, you directly translate a force applied to the handlebars, into a tilt. So to lean the bike into a turn, you initially apply a "large" force to the handlebars. This will bring the bike down, and your turn will start. If you completely remove all force from the handlebars, the bike will then slowly rise again, thus opening the turn, so to sustain a sharp turn, you will have to apply a "lighter" force to the handlebars. When the turn completes, you can the make the bike rise again fast, by applying opposite counter steering.
It is also not 100% accurate, that counter steering will reduce the grip. However, as counter steering can increase your turning ability by ten folds, it will of course also put a much higher strain on your traction.
Maybe this video is not clear enough, it seems :)
Counter-steering is only the first part of the movie... The rest shows that even with no hands on the handelbar, at several speed, you can lean the bike, and do some tight turns (so tight that I was in full lock rotation)
The key was to reduce the speed, and to use the fact that the bike will not fall because of the rotation of the handlebar (I do a fully stop without my hand on the handlebar, it turns, and I don't fall: even without gyroscopic effect, so). It is showed in the video.
And to end a turn, you don't need to use the handlebar too. You can just use acceleration...
About your last point, about the reducing of the grip, as I was speaking about the front wheel in the video, I was speaking about the grip of the front wheel.
I think the biggest point is that this is too much different from what is usually told about how to ride a motorcycle :)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite
Your video is actually one of the better on counter steering.
The main reason the handlebars are turning, is the self stabilising effect of the bike. If you front forks were 100% vertical, it would be impossible, because then you as a rider would have to maintain the correct steering angle matching lean angle, and that would be impossible. So the reason your handlebars are turning is not because of you (as you clearly demonstrates by not touching them : ), but simply because the bike is a stable setup.
Many people think they "turn the handlebars" at low speed, and then the bike turns, but that is not correct. You actually start by leaning, then the bike tilts, then the handlebars steer. Holding them is merely for stability reasons.
Accelerating out of a corner, will help raise the bike, but it is also the recipe for a low-sider.
Braking is even worse, as it will also tend to raise the bike, thus opening the turn. This is one of the most common crash causes. The rider gets into the turn, but then gets second thoughts, and starts to break. That raises the bike, widens the turn, and the riders ends up crashing.
Great work really enjoyable not sure I'll try turning without touching the bars but certainly won't be so lazy with body position.
:) Don't try with no hand, yes, it is not usefull. Here, I done it only for demonstration. But you juste have to release the pressure on the handlebar :)
I've been doing that since watching the video it is a lot less effort to turn and the bike feels much more stable. Thanks for you efforts.
Merci beaucoup pour cette vidéo ! J’aimerais beaucoup découvrir ce genre de manœuvres avec ma CB !! Faites vous des découvertes ou stages ?
Merci :)
Oui, nous faisons des stages, plus d'infos ici : antipilotedelignedroite.fr/fr/accueil/
wow, hats of to you
Thank you :)
really nice Video, never seen one this good before. so in the end it means in corners let the handlebar do its thing and don`t push to counter steer am I right? counter steer only to "enter" the turn:)
Thank you :)
It is possible to NOT counter steer even to enter the turn... But you'll be able to accept to fall to the ground with your body, and to hold the bike with your legs, butts and back. So the bike will follow you in the fall. And you can "accelerate" the fall of the bike with the brakes, as they can modifie the geometry of the bike, as you can see it is n this video:
th-cam.com/video/xXyXoFjUyds/w-d-xo.html
Hopefully this thread is not too old for a new comment. I would like to clarify one point: are you saying that you NEVER counter steer? Would you repeat the exercise in which you demonstrate counter steering and do so without touching the handle bars. In other words, please demonstrate swerving around an obstacle without using counter steering. I presumed your video was meant to show us how to do low-speed, tight turns without counter steering. But, your responses to some of the comments imply that you NEVER counter steer. I find that hard, if not impossible, to believe. And, I feel that conveying that message to inexperienced riders is extremely dangerous. Please clarify. Many thanks.
Yes, I say I never use counter steering, meaning I never push the handlebar to lean the bike when I want to turn :)
In terms of emergency, here in France, we have a to do a test about it, and it is possible to do it without counter steering. But no matter the technic, I think that in real emergency, we will do bad things, even if we are trained.
But I agree with you when you say it is hard. It is a complete new way of leaning, that can't be resumed by one tip like counter steering :(
Great video, thank you!
You're welcome :)
how you can fast turn without countersteering, at high speed, track?
You have to use the front brake to change the geometry of your bike (but it means you need more speed at the beginning, and to know how to use the degressiv brake), and to use your body to lean the bike not only at the beginning of the turn, but to lean more and more during the turn, until the combination of lean and speed makes you reach the "falling point", where you have no choice to re accelerate: this will make you faster, because the acceleration will not straighten up the bike immediatly (because of the "force of the fall"), this means you can start to accelerate earlier.
But you need to increase the musles of your body (legs, hips, ankles, abdominal, flanks). It is a sport, and when you look to professional riders, they don't have big arms, but you can guess that the rest of the body is very strong :)
Good job 👍
Thank you :)
Hi man, isn’t centrifugal force an imaginary force? The real force that acts on the object who’s in a curve is the centripetal force, Im I right?
Yes, you're right, but in physics, thanks to the action-reaction system, the force that you mean generate the force we are used to call centrifugal force :)
You have a cruise control device on the bike right?
I can increase the minimum idle, yes
Great vid but would have been miles better with vocals instead of all the text. Was hard to take the text on board and also look at the actual vid. Great bit of knowledge and skills
Heu, my english speaking is worth than my english writing, so... ;)
No problem. Fantastic video though. I learnt plenty and being practicing. Thank you
@@nanibahra5487 You're welcome :)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite Alors du coup c'est " worse " !
Blague à part, très instructif et appréciable d'avoir de nouveaux horizons d'apprentissages pour la moto ! :)
@@stack7935 Ah oui, merci pour la correction lol Au temps pour moi ;)
So from now i should drive without hands?
No, this only means that counter steering is not the only way to lean :)
Would it be possible for you to explain when you are adding and subtracting brake pressure during the turn?
When the pressure is increasing, you will feel that the handlebar wants to turn inside. In order to lean more, you have to reduce the pressure in the same time of the lean angle. The key is to let it go, but it is hard, as the mass transfer push your weight on the handlebar... So you have to use your legs, and to decrease the pressure as soon as the handlebar reaches the full lock :)
I can see myself falling off of my bike so much the coming months. xD
lol how luck you are: here, because of the covid virus, we can't go outside our houses :( so no more motorcycle riding for a long time...
I’m assuming these techniques are better suited to more experienced riders? Not for the beginner...
These techniques change so much from what it is used to learn, that your previous skills doesn't matter. A new rider can lear as fast as an experimented rider, as the experimented rider will need to forget all he learned before this lol
Which one is more effective
Self balancing or counter steering??
It depends on what you want: if you want to lean fast, counter steering is more effective, but in this case, the bike will want to stand up itself quick. So it is good to do an emergency avoidment, but not for a long curve, from my point of view :) Then, self balancing combined to reduction of the speed is better.
Very funny learning process
Thank you :)
That formula is for centripetal force, which is a real and measurable force toward the center of the circle, I believe. Centrifugal is a perceived or apparent force without a formula. Maybe it’s best to leave the formula out of the explanation. 🙃
It is too late, now ;)
Hi, a little question for you. Which method do you use to maintain the throttle open when you drive without handlebars ? Thanks
Hi, I added something (I don't know the word for that) that hold it. You have to find the idling adjustement screw, and then, you can move it to increase the idle :)
Nice video, a bit complicated for new riders, but still🙂
Thank you :)
So, if you like this video, you will probably like this one too (about how to use brakes to lean/turn tighter)
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awesome vid really helpfull
Thank you :)
I cant come to your place how do you think i should learn these skills?
Are videos enough?
Im from india
Hi Unfortunatly, I don't think video is enough, but why not ? In other case, you can go to Japan to ask an instructor to teach you this kind of riding :)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite ok thanks ;)
So, all I need is a steering damper and cruise control, and I can start using your steering method?
Until I find an obstacle in my path...
I'm no expert, but it seems pretty labor intensive. Great for riding in parking lots (carparks) though!
lol no, I made this video without my hand on the handklebar to show people that you don't need to turn or to counter steer. There is another way to lean and to turn. And this way is safer, more efficient and more fun when you can do it. Even outside parkings lots...
Great video and a very good demonstration. A little spoiled by imprecise translation (from French) of a collection of very precise biking physics. Some of the finer points seem a little confused but I think it’s only a translation thing. Really good video and demo, though!!
Thanks. But I am not sure it is only a matter of translation lol
Thanks for sharing. What is this bike?
You're welcome :)
This is a Honda CBR650F
Brilliant, just... brilliant.
Thank you :)
This also depend on what angle your motorcycle has on its steering column.
Yes, the feeling for sure, but the fact that the bike self balance itself is working for every angle of the steering column. But it will modifie the speed of the self balance effect. The lenght of the fork influences this too :)
How does it keep moving without using the throttle ?
I had increase the idle :)