@@HardwareCanucks Are you planning to get either of their new AIOs? Frozen Warframe and Frozen Vision? Both have LCD screens and going by foreign pricing, seem to run under the $100 mark.
@@deuswulf6193 Frozen Warframe is a shit because of TL-S12 vents. Vision is good, but it is same as Matrix Core, same as Edge, but Edge has higher pump rate
@@FractalGOOD TL-S12 is fine, I just installed a few of those fans in another rig and are decent given their price point. Its not like we can't swap the fans out for something even better, especially when the AIO is around $100 or less. Pump rate is an interesting metric to go off of. Some of the best AIOs on the market right now don't have a high pump speed, while some that do are not necessarily top performers.
Thermalright beating the Bequiets at a way lower price point is a MASSIVE WIN!! I've always equipped all the PCs I've built for myself, family and friends with Thermalright and I've never been disappointed!! Keep it up!
I'm using a Peerless assassin SE on a 7800x3d and while temps are really good (below 70 while gaming, 82C when on stresstest like cinebench), the noise level is a bit too high for my taste. Think switching to Phantom spirit SE might make a noticeable difference in noise?
@@psobbtutorials6792 Are you turboing this notoriously hot cpu and complaining when you use a cheap cooler?? I keep my x3d under control. These sub 40 coolers are freaking great. You might try liquid, but know that a fan has to create lots of pressure to make a radiator work..
@@rhlparkr Phantom Spirit evo looks better then regular version phantom spirit SE. It performs a little worse, but not in a significant way. If you want bang for buck i would buy Phantom spiit SE or regular version, EVO for the looks
@@din3832 anything with rgb will perform a little worse. You always pay more for aesthetics. For those that love the RGB bling I think this air cooler would probably be the best performing one on the market now. I'd pay for it. 👍
I love the way you present your information; very detailed yet easy to understand. Thanks for explaining in detail the difference between fans and fans + cooler! Just because of this video I won't waste my money on the EVO.
I have PS EVO, bought it with almost the same price as SE version and it is working very good with Ryzen 5800X even with stock settings of CPU, my previous cooler Grandis V3 struggled even with optimized settings for this CPU. I wanted to switch fans in future but thanks to this video I know that difference between stock fans is not huge. I wish that ENDORFY Fluctus fans would be tested as they are extremely popular in my country. Probably good curve in Fan Control is almost as good option as the SW Pro 4 fans :) Huge thanks for this fan swap test as it is extremely helpful!
Thank you for that timer on back to mic when measuring the noise! I had to turn the volume way up and going back to mic would have hurt at that level. Perfect small detail!
As a consumer I genuinely hope Thermal right profit massively and take the majority market share on this leaving their competitors pockets empty, they've proven that it doesn't have to cost a fortune to provide us consumers with a quality product for an affordable price. I want nothing more than this to be a huge success for them in the same way the new arctic aio coolers have been. Truly impressive work!
I'm so glad someone reviewed it, couldn't find any other reviews. I just installed mine and I was 'blown away' (in a good way, for me at least). Mine replaced a Peerless Assassin (that I moved to another build in an emergency) that was sitting on my 7800X3D. I know the cooler is overkill really as that CPU runs nice and cool anyway having a 120W TDP, though mine pulls far less than that as it's UV'd and barely overclocked. Maybe I wouldn't have been so happy with the noise if I'd installed it on something pulling 250W+, lol.
There is no overkill for cooling since you can run your system with a better fan cooler or quiter which can be superior. Also if you want to upgrade from an 6c to 12c cpu you would have to upgrade the cooler if you got a cheap one for the 6 core processor. So in the end you would buy double for a cpu cooler if you decide for the wrong one. Ofc if your budget is small, a 30€ one does its job fine but if you can spend some more money for the cooler i would definitely invest that.
@@StefanGalia yes if you got a great one, than its really unlikely. But if you got a cheap one, than its pretty likely you ve to buy a new one in the near future, especially when you buy a cpu with more cores
I TOTALLY LOVE your honesty. I don't like many youtuber becase they receive free products for good review. It's like Tony knife sellers. But you, are a real review maker and i trust in this. THANK YOU!
13:50 That's probably the point. I bought this cooler for my 7800x3d and the main reason i wanted this one over the regular PS is the looks. I dont mind the 10€ difference on my country's amazon and i don't mind what's probably a 1 to 2° difference either. I think thermalright was missing a "cooler" looking cooler (ahah) in their line up and this fits the bill while still being a top performer and affordable
All their other coolers look so ugly to me. I ended up buying the normal phantom spirit as i dont mind the bare aluminum heatsink, i just prefer the top plate because it looks sleeker than the PA and the PS se top plates. Eventually ill put arctic p12 max fans on it for better performance
I've used a lot of Thermalright products in builds and so far their TF7 thermal paste is up there with Noctua NTH1 & NTH2 and their Thermalright Frozen Notte 360mm AIO for under £55 is a no brainer and exceptional performance , I can see this brand becoming more expensive in the future
I am currently using a Phantom Spirit SE with T30 fans, you can shove a T30 in the middle, barely. You slide it down with one edge in a channel and then slide it over. I had to use a different clip that hooks onto the closer edge for the second fan. It is freaking awesome. Thumbs up.
Almost fallen into a state of major FOMO cause I just got the PS SE. Somewhat glad and disappointed to see these results. Nice bit of bonus testing there with the different fans, glad to know that if they break, I'll just grab the Silent Wings.
thank's for the review as always ! quite funny to see thermalright competing with themselve and actually "losing" 🤣 My bet for they're next product is a dual 140mm air cooler or atleast i would like that
@@HardwareCanucks Use one in the back and one in the front, may want to add a 5mm spacer for the back fan to make it more silent. One in the back and one in the front may also gives a bit better thermals.
Thanks for this video! I recently purchased both a Frost Spirit V3 and a Phantom Spirit EVO and was waiting for this review before deciding what to use with my 7950X. Different Perspective: Couldn’t the Phantom Spirit EVO just be used as a lower noise Phantom Spirit SE if one just limits the RPM of each fan to 1500rpm just like the SE fans are limited to rather than just allowing it to ramp up to 2150RPM? It wouldn’t be higher performing than the SE, but it would be equal performance at a lower noise floor which should be an automatic win. Seems like the Frost Spirit still wins on the 7950X though.
My all-black Peerless Assasin is mated to two Silent Wings 4 I had. Gotta say that its super effective cooling my AM4 CPU and the only way I can hear them is if I manually crank their speed up. Noctua and the other big players have their back against the wall. Can't wait to see what they come up with in their future products.
what cpu are you using? I am thinking about modifying my peerless assassin with different fans too, or getting a different cooler altogether. Getting really good temps, but I think the noise level is a bit too high. Using it on a 7800x3d
Noctua at least intend to release new cooler this year But I also won't be surprised if they don't and keep their same cooler lineup for another 50 years.
I'm planning to put 2 Silent Wings 4 120 HS to the Phantom Spirit Se. I wonder if there will be any annoying noise compared to stocks. I saw some videos people put Noctua to it and sound profile is unbearable.
I fitted a Phantom Spirit Evo to my new 7600 CPU 7600XT gaming system in January, I'm using it now, its brilliant, low temps low noise low price, couldn't justify an AIO for the money and it just works. Recommended.
My first PC build in 2000/2001 a Athlon Xp 1600+ I used a all copper SK6 Thermalright cooler with 60mm Delta fan. I'm so glad no longer do we need big flat head screw drivers to install coolers. Modern coolers you simply set the cooler and evenly screw down 2 screws and done.
bought a PS SE ARGB and it does the job of a Kraken 360 elite on an i9-12900k. I tested it myself, PS idles at 22-25c (with grizzly contact frame) and so did the kraken around 84c max...likely a 1% difference. So, $300 AIO, or $35 air cooler?
Interesting testing, especially compared to Tom's Hardware, where the EVO was always ahead at 100% Pushing Power (I guess at a normalized 38db it's a different story in the long run). What I would love to see, since the TL-C12 Fans seem to be generally good (used on Peerless Assistan, Phantom Spirit, etc). How would the TL-C12Pro compare on the Thermalright Coolers or in general use (Radiator, Case Fan etc), since they are a very very cheap option too, sitting at like 6,50€ vs the TL-C12 for 6€ (or even the TL-G12). Could that be the best new Budget Option for people, after Arctic P12 being basically the same price nowadays?
Thanks for another great review! For the case of SW Pro 4, which mounting type did you use? I am considering mixing the fans with the cooler for the best performance based on your review.
Turbulence noise generally comes from people not realizing putting a fan pulling next to an object creates much more noise causing people to drop fan speed overly low to compensate for the noise penalty. Always gap pull fans on heatsinks unless the heatsink has designed this gap into it like the Noctua U9S with raised edges for the pull fan side. You can use all sorts methods to gap it from felt pads to gaskets designed to create this gap by Noctua.
I decided on the Phantom spirit 120 SE rgb after watching your videos for my 13700k system and been very impressed with it. I had to move the fans up a bit to clear my G.skill ram but still far better than the old air cooler
Did you moved the fan wihout any mounting issues? I have Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB(2X16GB) 6000Mhz CL30 (CMH32GX5M2B2B6000Z30K), and I'm worried about the maximum available offset height to avoid overlapping the RAM strips. My mobo is Asrock B650M Pro Rs.
11:44 have you tried attaching the T30s on the extreme sides of the cooler towers. Not sure if the fan clips would allow it, but there's only one way to find out ;)
Just installed a Phantom Spirit 120 SE on a system with a AMD 7900X and it's working great. Idle core temps in the low to mid 30s C, and below 90 C on maxed out stress benchmarks. Really exceptional bang, or I should say cooling, for the buck.
I might kindly suggest you retest the gaming results of the Assassin IV here, it doesn't make sense that it would be 6C behind the AK620 in gaming, but ahead of the AK620 in both 180w and 253W loads.
Im so glad a company like thermalright shows the competetion that aircooling doesnt need to always go up in price. I remember to buy quailty larger aircoolers from brands like noctua, and be quiet they would always be 80+ dollars. Now with thermalright its less than $50
I bought this CPU cooler last black friday to go in my new gaming rig with a 7800X3D and it was mainly because Thermalright has so many excellent CPU cooler with extremely good value. It look really wonderful in my black and orange PC look. Also, I'm using only the fan between the 2 towers in it and the CPU never goes above 75C and is extermely silent. I could configure the fan more aggressively, but it would increase the noise and the temperature is very acceptable like it is now.
I feel that this is perfectly fine given the price point with the look AND using it on a relatively low power draw chip. I think your testing illustrates well that it should be more than adequate for use on something like a 7800x3d. If you're spending the money for something with higher power draw and performance for productivity then it is worth it to go for the SE or since you're already spending more money go for a premium brand... The blacked out look with the subtle led is just tooooo good to pass up. Looks absolutely stellar in a tinted glass case on a blacked out motherboard with a black graphics card.
already bought PS evo 3 months ago when im building new computer when people are recommending phantom assassin etc but i want to support thermal right and i dont mind spending abit more for their latest product knowing they wont disappoint, its doing my 7800x3d chip good, converted from custom water cooling full loop to air cooler and no regrets at all. easier maintenance and easy to replace component as and when i want without trouble of draining water and dismantling everything. no regrets!
Phantom Spirit 120 RGB does have a bit of whining noise at high speed. It is not bad. Just there. I am glad they address this with better fans. I am happy with my Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120SE ARGB. It keeps my AMD 5900X nice and cool. And love the price. There are others that are higher price that are better, but the improvement is not enough to justify it being so.
Well, I'm still thinking of getting it since the price is not that different and I want the black aesthetic, but I understand why you responded before not to get it. Also curious if there have been consideration on adding the 7800X3D to testing cause of its recent popularity.
I wish you had left a visual warning or space before the end of the scene where you played the fan noise. Because I had the volume turned all the way up, and I got scared when the speech came in all of a sudden.
Wasn't really sure what recent video would be best to ask on, but any plans on reviewing the Scythe Wonder Tornado and Grand Tornado soon? You guys are my go-to for fan reviews so curious to see where these land on the air cooling fan charts.
I actually bought this one a couple of months ago before all the reviews started rolling in. Good thing too since it seems like it's been unavailable as of late? I was using a Corsair H100i Platinum before but it would get noisy and the RGB on the cpu block was always messed up, like it wouldn't display blues correctly. Since I'm running a 9600K (at 5.2GHz) it doesn't usually have to work very hard so it's been pretty quiet especially compared to the old AIO I had. I plan to upgrade to a newer platform (probably AM5) sometime in the next year hopefully so I just considered this my first piece of a new build lol.
I would LOVE to see the Arctic Freezer 36 (black) compared to this cooler, it's only €25 and according to other reviews its on par with the Noctua D15. Haven't found a review where both the Phantom Spirit 120 EVO and Arctic Freezer 36 are compared though. Great video as always!
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Strong doubt on that one. One is single tower, the other is dual tower...
@look at the temps on reviews, the Arctic Freezer 36 is a beast for the price and size... But I remember that on GN review on Intel or AMD (don't remember in what, I think it's AMD, since for Intel they have the special mount, but not sure), but I remember that in one brand was worse than in the other, like from top performer to middle of the stack.
Yeah they perform so well on Intel due to the included contact frame
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@@lefthornet just rewatched that review, it was mostly on par with the NH-D15 when not slightly higher, but the NH-D15 fans running at a much lower speed(1k rpm/s) versus the almost 1,6k rpm/s on the arctic.
It's Arctic's forced contact frame's fault. If your processor doesn't have bending or if you use a Thermalright contact frame for competing coolers, Freezer 36 won't have such a big advantage.
Thanks for this. I was looking for comparisons between these two coolers to upgrade the workshop PC from a stock intel cooler and grabbed the PS120 SE for $35. The Evo is $49.
My results are very different. The Evo is better than the SE in my testing, probably because I had it in an actual working PC, not open bench, not with the side off or anything like that. This was with a 13700K. It was also quieter in most usage cases because it didn't need to throttle, because it was a better cooler.
I often wonder about their test bench 'control' group kind of setting. I'd say, in most cases, you'd want to test these things in a real world setting, in a case, etc, because airflow matters when cooling, and so would CFM, other parts' heat as well, and an enclosed case dampening the fans a bit. I know there are reasons to test on the bench with minimal parts, but if you're using the same kind of controls in a case, it should give similar data.
Did they pull the PS 120 EVO off the market so they could sell their older models? I have not been able to find it on Amazon or any store, and I live in the US where this is normally not a problem.
I bought this to go into my next build, the Tower 300. However i am strongly considering an downward firing air cooler to take away some bull. Has anyone went down that road?
since you love so much phantom spirit you need to check all of 120mm fans you have and swap them with stock tl-c12 ;> and btw can you sqeeze noctuas d15 fan between towers ?
@@HardwareCanucks I guess that's why you need to test it? 'Cuz it can certainly fit. I've seen images on reddit of T30 in the mid of this heatsink, with clips, even.
Any plans on reviewing the Scythe Mugen 6 (normal and black edition)? Really interested in seeing some more reviews on it. Seems like it could be a winner when it comes to noise-normalized performance.
Couldn't I just replace those fans with two Akasa Piranha ones? They may only spin at up to 1900 RPM, but they have a higher CFM (79.13) and more static pressure (3.04 mm H2O). They also have the same width as the Thermalright fans that go in there.
Is it possible to throw on a third fan? I want to say with an extra fan clip it's possible but not sure, has anyone tried this? If so, any temp. difference?
So, for someone more concerned about noise than temperatures, which one would be better? WELSHYTECH compared them and the EVO sound even if it might be louder in dB, appears to be more of a smooth sound when compared to the SE, thoughts on this? Great videos btw ! Helping me a lot for first build. Subscribed
I'm pretty disappointed.....when I saw the noise charts in the beginning I was excited but the temp testing is a letdown. I guess I'll stick with recommending the PS120SE, then. Thanks for the quality vid as always :)
@@HardwareCanucks well holy moly. That sounds like all the workout one needs. I had to tend to a toddler some years back and I felt drained at the end of every day. I could not imagine having to deal with 2. 😅
This has worked great for me. Today I realized how heavy it is. Do you know if it causes the motherboard to bend? Do you think an anti-bend that goes over the CPU would fix it or is that just for contact on cpu, and not to stop bending
i feel bad for liking the evo, but im probably going to get it even when its not much better and noticeably more expensive but i just dont like the silver heatsink on basic PS 120 SE - wish they made all black phantom spirit
thermalright at this point just gonna compete with themselves
And they did....
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@@HardwareCanucks Are you planning to get either of their new AIOs? Frozen Warframe and Frozen Vision? Both have LCD screens and going by foreign pricing, seem to run under the $100 mark.
@@deuswulf6193 Frozen Warframe is a shit because of TL-S12 vents. Vision is good, but it is same as Matrix Core, same as Edge, but Edge has higher pump rate
@@FractalGOOD TL-S12 is fine, I just installed a few of those fans in another rig and are decent given their price point. Its not like we can't swap the fans out for something even better, especially when the AIO is around $100 or less.
Pump rate is an interesting metric to go off of. Some of the best AIOs on the market right now don't have a high pump speed, while some that do are not necessarily top performers.
Thermalright beating the Bequiets at a way lower price point is a MASSIVE WIN!!
I've always equipped all the PCs I've built for myself, family and friends with Thermalright and I've never been disappointed!!
Keep it up!
be quiet! has always been overpriced, with all their products.
Their PSUs are decently priced @@drewnewby
I'm using a Peerless assassin SE on a 7800x3d and while temps are really good (below 70 while gaming, 82C when on stresstest like cinebench), the noise level is a bit too high for my taste.
Think switching to Phantom spirit SE might make a noticeable difference in noise?
@@psobbtutorials6792 Are you turboing this notoriously hot cpu and complaining when you use a cheap cooler?? I keep my x3d under control. These sub 40 coolers are freaking great.
You might try liquid, but know that a fan has to create lots of pressure to make a radiator work..
@@psobbtutorials6792i have the PA SE too, just regulate the fan at 50%. You will not hear anything and losing very little as performance
Good to know I made the right decision by buying the TR Phantom Spirit 120 SE (thanks to your reviews). Thanks again for your fantastic Video!
I like that super subtle RGB.
me too, they got taste
yep this cooler is for someone who is looking for a looks upgrade, it still performs great
@@din3832 Which one?
@@rhlparkr Phantom Spirit evo looks better then regular version phantom spirit SE. It performs a little worse, but not in a significant way. If you want bang for buck i would buy Phantom spiit SE or regular version, EVO for the looks
@@din3832 anything with rgb will perform a little worse. You always pay more for aesthetics. For those that love the RGB bling I think this air cooler would probably be the best performing one on the market now. I'd pay for it. 👍
sees air cooler in thumbnail, realizes im going to keep on subscribing and watching like I have since 2018
Best coolers' reviewer ever, thanks for this coverage. Thermalright performances are always top notch, for real 💪
3:41 thanks alot for the countdown, you really know what you're doing and you know how people are. I really appreciate you not blowing my eardrums. 😅
I love the way you present your information; very detailed yet easy to understand. Thanks for explaining in detail the difference between fans and fans + cooler! Just because of this video I won't waste my money on the EVO.
Always the best air coolers reviews thanks bro
the title makes it sounds like they had some special feat, I stood corrected, thank you dearrow user for fixing the title
I have PS EVO, bought it with almost the same price as SE version and it is working very good with Ryzen 5800X even with stock settings of CPU, my previous cooler Grandis V3 struggled even with optimized settings for this CPU. I wanted to switch fans in future but thanks to this video I know that difference between stock fans is not huge. I wish that ENDORFY Fluctus fans would be tested as they are extremely popular in my country. Probably good curve in Fan Control is almost as good option as the SW Pro 4 fans :) Huge thanks for this fan swap test as it is extremely helpful!
Thermals are rights 😊
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Thank you for that timer on back to mic when measuring the noise! I had to turn the volume way up and going back to mic would have hurt at that level. Perfect small detail!
We’re gonna need a thermalright AIO vs air cooler video at this point with how many they have on the market at such similar prices
Thermalright AIO prices are crazy though fr
In my country you can get a Thernalright 240 AIO with LCD screen for 65 dollar
As a consumer I genuinely hope Thermal right profit massively and take the majority market share on this leaving their competitors pockets empty, they've proven that it doesn't have to cost a fortune to provide us consumers with a quality product for an affordable price. I want nothing more than this to be a huge success for them in the same way the new arctic aio coolers have been.
Truly impressive work!
Wouldn't that mean price increase?
If anyone dominates a market, they start doing horrible stuff
I'm so glad someone reviewed it, couldn't find any other reviews.
I just installed mine and I was 'blown away' (in a good way, for me at least).
Mine replaced a Peerless Assassin (that I moved to another build in an emergency) that was sitting on my 7800X3D. I know the cooler is overkill really as that CPU runs nice and cool anyway having a 120W TDP, though mine pulls far less than that as it's UV'd and barely overclocked.
Maybe I wouldn't have been so happy with the noise if I'd installed it on something pulling 250W+, lol.
There is no overkill for cooling since you can run your system with a better fan cooler or quiter which can be superior.
Also if you want to upgrade from an 6c to 12c cpu you would have to upgrade the cooler if you got a cheap one for the 6 core processor. So in the end you would buy double for a cpu cooler if you decide for the wrong one. Ofc if your budget is small, a 30€ one does its job fine but if you can spend some more money for the cooler i would definitely invest that.
@@AlienGurke I suppose that's true, buy one great cooler and the need to buy another in the near future if/when I upgrade is unlikely.
@@StefanGalia yes if you got a great one, than its really unlikely. But if you got a cheap one, than its pretty likely you ve to buy a new one in the near future, especially when you buy a cpu with more cores
I just ordered one for my CPU (2700x which is 105 TDP). Just means when i upgrade, i wont hav to change the fan.
I bought this a few months ago on sale for about 50 usd and I love this cooler
got this cooler a few weeks ago for 40 Euro, could not be happier with it
where, if you don't mind me asking?
The SE yes.. but the EVO seems to be 60+ everywhere now (in Euros yes)
@@Garrett1974 just ordered one for €48 on Amazon.
It the fan noise noticible when you use it ie gaming?
I TOTALLY LOVE your honesty.
I don't like many youtuber becase they receive free products for good review. It's like Tony knife sellers.
But you, are a real review maker and i trust in this. THANK YOU!
This was an interesting video and very good analysis, thanks Mike!
13:50 That's probably the point. I bought this cooler for my 7800x3d and the main reason i wanted this one over the regular PS is the looks. I dont mind the 10€ difference on my country's amazon and i don't mind what's probably a 1 to 2° difference either. I think thermalright was missing a "cooler" looking cooler (ahah) in their line up and this fits the bill while still being a top performer and affordable
All their other coolers look so ugly to me. I ended up buying the normal phantom spirit as i dont mind the bare aluminum heatsink, i just prefer the top plate because it looks sleeker than the PA and the PS se top plates.
Eventually ill put arctic p12 max fans on it for better performance
I've used a lot of Thermalright products in builds and so far their TF7 thermal paste is up there with Noctua NTH1 & NTH2 and their Thermalright Frozen Notte 360mm AIO for under £55 is a no brainer and exceptional performance , I can see this brand becoming more expensive in the future
I am currently using a Phantom Spirit SE with T30 fans, you can shove a T30 in the middle, barely. You slide it down with one edge in a channel and then slide it over. I had to use a different clip that hooks onto the closer edge for the second fan. It is freaking awesome. Thumbs up.
Almost fallen into a state of major FOMO cause I just got the PS SE. Somewhat glad and disappointed to see these results. Nice bit of bonus testing there with the different fans, glad to know that if they break, I'll just grab the Silent Wings.
thank's for the review as always !
quite funny to see thermalright competing with themselve and actually "losing" 🤣
My bet for they're next product is a dual 140mm air cooler or atleast i would like that
Using one for my 7800x3D, fractal north. The deal was to use T30s, and the Evo’s fans at 45%. Can’t hear them.
How in the world did you make the T30's fit? I needed to bend the heatpipes like crazy to even contemplate jamming in a T30.
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@@HardwareCanucks I assume the T30s are the case fans, not the CPU cooler fans.
@@HardwareCanucks Use one in the back and one in the front, may want to add a 5mm spacer for the back fan to make it more silent. One in the back and one in the front may also gives a bit better thermals.
Thanks for this video! I recently purchased both a Frost Spirit V3 and a Phantom Spirit EVO and was waiting for this review before deciding what to use with my 7950X.
Different Perspective: Couldn’t the Phantom Spirit EVO just be used as a lower noise Phantom Spirit SE if one just limits the RPM of each fan to 1500rpm just like the SE fans are limited to rather than just allowing it to ramp up to 2150RPM? It wouldn’t be higher performing than the SE, but it would be equal performance at a lower noise floor which should be an automatic win.
Seems like the Frost Spirit still wins on the 7950X though.
My all-black Peerless Assasin is mated to two Silent Wings 4 I had. Gotta say that its super effective cooling my AM4 CPU and the only way I can hear them is if I manually crank their speed up. Noctua and the other big players have their back against the wall. Can't wait to see what they come up with in their future products.
what cpu are you using? I am thinking about modifying my peerless assassin with different fans too, or getting a different cooler altogether. Getting really good temps, but I think the noise level is a bit too high. Using it on a 7800x3d
@@psobbtutorials6792 right now it's a 5600X but I'm planning to upgrade to an X3D chip at some point
Noctua at least intend to release new cooler this year
But I also won't be surprised if they don't and keep their same cooler lineup for another 50 years.
My Arctic P12 max peerless assassin: "hahahahah, Baka"
I'm planning to put 2 Silent Wings 4 120 HS to the Phantom Spirit Se. I wonder if there will be any annoying noise compared to stocks.
I saw some videos people put Noctua to it and sound profile is unbearable.
Damn, that background image is so cool!
I fitted a Phantom Spirit Evo to my new 7600 CPU 7600XT gaming system in January, I'm using it now, its brilliant, low temps low noise low price, couldn't justify an AIO for the money and it just works. Recommended.
My first PC build in 2000/2001 a Athlon Xp 1600+ I used a all copper SK6 Thermalright cooler with 60mm Delta fan. I'm so glad no longer do we need big flat head screw drivers to install coolers. Modern coolers you simply set the cooler and evenly screw down 2 screws and done.
love your reviews, and your wallpaper!
please always do the fan change test on every cooler review. that was interesting
got this on my home ML/DL machine on 14700k,
lite load 2, c-state 10, hard capped at 205w, 83° MAX temp in cine bench, 35000 easily. What a monster
Amazing work! Deserves more likes!
Been using this cooler for a couple months, so far so good.
bought a PS SE ARGB and it does the job of a Kraken 360 elite on an i9-12900k. I tested it myself, PS idles at 22-25c (with grizzly contact frame) and so did the kraken around 84c max...likely a 1% difference. So, $300 AIO, or $35 air cooler?
You mean 100 AIO with a 200 dollar LCD?
@@WayStedYou yes, that's what I mean.
Interesting testing, especially compared to Tom's Hardware, where the EVO was always ahead at 100% Pushing Power (I guess at a normalized 38db it's a different story in the long run).
What I would love to see, since the TL-C12 Fans seem to be generally good (used on Peerless Assistan, Phantom Spirit, etc). How would the TL-C12Pro compare on the Thermalright Coolers or in general use (Radiator, Case Fan etc), since they are a very very cheap option too, sitting at like 6,50€ vs the TL-C12 for 6€ (or even the TL-G12).
Could that be the best new Budget Option for people, after Arctic P12 being basically the same price nowadays?
Thanks for another great review! For the case of SW Pro 4, which mounting type did you use? I am considering mixing the fans with the cooler for the best performance based on your review.
Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE work ok with a 5700x3d?
Most underrated channel. Thank you 🫡
I've been using a Phantom Spirit SE with 2 Noctura NF-A12 fans and its really nice. I'm Slowly changing all my fans to NF-A12's.
Do you guys have a tier list? Im struggling to keep up with all the recommendations!
Turbulence noise generally comes from people not realizing putting a fan pulling next to an object creates much more noise causing people to drop fan speed overly low to compensate for the noise penalty. Always gap pull fans on heatsinks unless the heatsink has designed this gap into it like the Noctua U9S with raised edges for the pull fan side. You can use all sorts methods to gap it from felt pads to gaskets designed to create this gap by Noctua.
dUDE THANK YOU FOR THE NOISE LEVEL CHART. EXTREMELY USEFUL I SUBSCRIBE!
11:57 , why not the 120 noctua 3000 rpm?
I decided on the Phantom spirit 120 SE rgb after watching your videos for my 13700k system and been very impressed with it. I had to move the fans up a bit to clear my G.skill ram but still far better than the old air cooler
Did you moved the fan wihout any mounting issues? I have Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB(2X16GB) 6000Mhz CL30 (CMH32GX5M2B2B6000Z30K), and I'm worried about the maximum available offset height to avoid overlapping the RAM strips. My mobo is Asrock B650M Pro Rs.
@@7iomka no issues at all moving the fan up. The fan flips just slide in between the fins on the heatsink
What was your previous cooler? And how better this one?
@@perfect_combination tower cooler that comes with the legion 7i. About half the size of this. Temps dropped about 5c idle and 20c on heavy loads.
11:44 have you tried attaching the T30s on the extreme sides of the cooler towers. Not sure if the fan clips would allow it, but there's only one way to find out ;)
Just installed a Phantom Spirit 120 SE on a system with a AMD 7900X and it's working great. Idle core temps in the low to mid 30s C, and below 90 C on maxed out stress benchmarks. Really exceptional bang, or I should say cooling, for the buck.
I might kindly suggest you retest the gaming results of the Assassin IV here, it doesn't make sense that it would be 6C behind the AK620 in gaming, but ahead of the AK620 in both 180w and 253W loads.
Im so glad a company like thermalright shows the competetion that aircooling doesnt need to always go up in price. I remember to buy quailty larger aircoolers from brands like noctua, and be quiet they would always be 80+ dollars. Now with thermalright its less than $50
I bought this CPU cooler last black friday to go in my new gaming rig with a 7800X3D and it was mainly because Thermalright has so many excellent CPU cooler with extremely good value. It look really wonderful in my black and orange PC look. Also, I'm using only the fan between the 2 towers in it and the CPU never goes above 75C and is extermely silent. I could configure the fan more aggressively, but it would increase the noise and the temperature is very acceptable like it is now.
I feel that this is perfectly fine given the price point with the look AND using it on a relatively low power draw chip. I think your testing illustrates well that it should be more than adequate for use on something like a 7800x3d. If you're spending the money for something with higher power draw and performance for productivity then it is worth it to go for the SE or since you're already spending more money go for a premium brand...
The blacked out look with the subtle led is just tooooo good to pass up. Looks absolutely stellar in a tinted glass case on a blacked out motherboard with a black graphics card.
already bought PS evo 3 months ago when im building new computer when people are recommending phantom assassin etc but i want to support thermal right and i dont mind spending abit more for their latest product knowing they wont disappoint, its doing my 7800x3d chip good, converted from custom water cooling full loop to air cooler and no regrets at all. easier maintenance and easy to replace component as and when i want without trouble of draining water and dismantling everything. no regrets!
Well.... they wouldn't be called Thermalright, if they were wrong... they would have to call themselves Thermalwrong? I'll see my self out now.
Phantom Spirit 120 RGB does have a bit of whining noise at high speed. It is not bad. Just there. I am glad they address this with better fans. I am happy with my Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120SE ARGB. It keeps my AMD 5900X nice and cool. And love the price. There are others that are higher price that are better, but the improvement is not enough to justify it being so.
Just bought this along with a 5800x3d upgrade. Cant wait for them to arrive! :D
God bless you guys for testing both Intel and AMD.
Well, I'm still thinking of getting it since the price is not that different and I want the black aesthetic, but I understand why you responded before not to get it.
Also curious if there have been consideration on adding the 7800X3D to testing cause of its recent popularity.
I wish you had left a visual warning or space before the end of the scene where you played the fan noise. Because I had the volume turned all the way up, and I got scared when the speech came in all of a sudden.
In left top corner is countdown before Mike speaking again. 5 seconds before
I’m really interested in seeing how the Scythe Mugen 6 compares to these, both in single and dual fan configs.
This is exactly the information I was looking for.
Wasn't really sure what recent video would be best to ask on, but any plans on reviewing the Scythe Wonder Tornado and Grand Tornado soon? You guys are my go-to for fan reviews so curious to see where these land on the air cooling fan charts.
Should you use the paste that this cooler includes or let's say buy noctua thermal paste and the result would be even better? Or worse?
I actually bought this one a couple of months ago before all the reviews started rolling in. Good thing too since it seems like it's been unavailable as of late? I was using a Corsair H100i Platinum before but it would get noisy and the RGB on the cpu block was always messed up, like it wouldn't display blues correctly. Since I'm running a 9600K (at 5.2GHz) it doesn't usually have to work very hard so it's been pretty quiet especially compared to the old AIO I had. I plan to upgrade to a newer platform (probably AM5) sometime in the next year hopefully so I just considered this my first piece of a new build lol.
I would LOVE to see the Arctic Freezer 36 (black) compared to this cooler, it's only €25 and according to other reviews its on par with the Noctua D15. Haven't found a review where both the Phantom Spirit 120 EVO and Arctic Freezer 36 are compared though. Great video as always!
Strong doubt on that one. One is single tower, the other is dual tower...
@look at the temps on reviews, the Arctic Freezer 36 is a beast for the price and size... But I remember that on GN review on Intel or AMD (don't remember in what, I think it's AMD, since for Intel they have the special mount, but not sure), but I remember that in one brand was worse than in the other, like from top performer to middle of the stack.
Yeah they perform so well on Intel due to the included contact frame
@@lefthornet just rewatched that review, it was mostly on par with the NH-D15 when not slightly higher, but the NH-D15 fans running at a much lower speed(1k rpm/s) versus the almost 1,6k rpm/s on the arctic.
It's Arctic's forced contact frame's fault. If your processor doesn't have bending or if you use a Thermalright contact frame for competing coolers, Freezer 36 won't have such a big advantage.
Looks like the huge fan hub interferes with actual amount of air being moved through fins at equal rpm vs SE
Frost Spirit 140 BLACK V3 is fricking DOPE! What a cooler!
Thanks for this. I was looking for comparisons between these two coolers to upgrade the workshop PC from a stock intel cooler and grabbed the PS120 SE for $35. The Evo is $49.
Got the PS120SE last year, slapped on some extra NF-A12x25 im not using, BIS currently for air cooling an NR200 ITX, cools 14700K no issues
My results are very different. The Evo is better than the SE in my testing, probably because I had it in an actual working PC, not open bench, not with the side off or anything like that. This was with a 13700K.
It was also quieter in most usage cases because it didn't need to throttle, because it was a better cooler.
I often wonder about their test bench 'control' group kind of setting. I'd say, in most cases, you'd want to test these things in a real world setting, in a case, etc, because airflow matters when cooling, and so would CFM, other parts' heat as well, and an enclosed case dampening the fans a bit. I know there are reasons to test on the bench with minimal parts, but if you're using the same kind of controls in a case, it should give similar data.
Was there any thermal difference between the two Phantom Evo models?
I´d like to know as well. Would be nice if this gets answered. But i assumed they were basically the same or else it would have been mentioned.
Did they pull the PS 120 EVO off the market so they could sell their older models? I have not been able to find it on Amazon or any store, and I live in the US where this is normally not a problem.
I think its a stock issue since here in Canada the EVO is readily available.
I bought this to go into my next build, the Tower 300. However i am strongly considering an downward firing air cooler to take away some bull. Has anyone went down that road?
if I want the phantom spirit in all black can I take the phantom spirit evo and change the fans ?
Ditched my Liquid Freezer II 280mm for Phantom Spirit 120 EVO for 5950x. Temp is practically the same in most of my use cases.
since you love so much phantom spirit you need to check all of 120mm fans you have and swap them with stock tl-c12 ;> and btw can you sqeeze noctuas d15 fan between towers ?
T30 fits in by the way. you need to remove the dumpers and insert the T30 from the side...
Wouldn't that increase vibration transfer to the fin array?
@@HardwareCanucks I guess that's why you need to test it? 'Cuz it can certainly fit. I've seen images on reddit of T30 in the mid of this heatsink, with clips, even.
So until 1500rpm the Evo seems the better pick for quiet gaming. Is the cooling of the Evo until 1500 rpm enough for quiet gaming on 7800x3d?
Any plans on reviewing the Scythe Mugen 6 (normal and black edition)? Really interested in seeing some more reviews on it. Seems like it could be a winner when it comes to noise-normalized performance.
Couldn't I just replace those fans with two Akasa Piranha ones? They may only spin at up to 1900 RPM, but they have a higher CFM (79.13) and more static pressure (3.04 mm H2O). They also have the same width as the Thermalright fans that go in there.
we love budget options
Is it possible to throw on a third fan? I want to say with an extra fan clip it's possible but not sure, has anyone tried this? If so, any temp. difference?
So, for someone more concerned about noise than temperatures, which one would be better? WELSHYTECH compared them and the EVO sound even if it might be louder in dB, appears to be more of a smooth sound when compared to the SE, thoughts on this?
Great videos btw ! Helping me a lot for first build. Subscribed
crazy that the Noctua NH-D15 is literally 10 years old and still shows up towards the top of the list
True that bro, but always remember it runs 2x 140mm fan which would always upperhand against 120mm
i built the tower 300 already and i loveee it
I'm pretty disappointed.....when I saw the noise charts in the beginning I was excited but the temp testing is a letdown. I guess I'll stick with recommending the PS120SE, then. Thanks for the quality vid as always :)
Yo, I thought this was a different guy for a second. Dude shed off some excess weight. Good job!
Having 2 kids under 2 years old helps.....
@@HardwareCanucks well holy moly. That sounds like all the workout one needs. I had to tend to a toddler some years back and I felt drained at the end of every day. I could not imagine having to deal with 2. 😅
I would really like to try one of these dual heatsink air coolers just for fun but I don't think they fit in my Phanteks P300
This video was so well made! You can pat yourselves on the back, @HardwareCanucks!
I've bought a few of these. I'm not actually using them, but have them in case my AIO ever goes out!
Thats a tasteful amount of RGB
Can you elaborate on the worse fan on the Peerless Assassin Mini?
This has worked great for me. Today I realized how heavy it is. Do you know if it causes the motherboard to bend? Do you think an anti-bend that goes over the CPU would fix it or is that just for contact on cpu, and not to stop bending
i feel bad for liking the evo, but im probably going to get it even when its not much better and noticeably more expensive but i just dont like the silver heatsink on basic PS 120 SE - wish they made all black phantom spirit
I don't know if you bought it yet, but there is now PS120 SE black!
what if you pair it with Arctic P12 Max, i wander if there are some improvements with the temp 🤔
Do you plan to do a review of the Scythe Mugen 6 ?
While pushing more variants is good but it's getting confusing now which one to spend money on.
the diference between them is like £7 so if i have to spend that to get better cooling for my pc then thats fine
if not then im sticking to the 120 se
Props to Noctua for the engineering. China are proving it can be done cheaper