Attempt 8 or 9- Manganimist please check out the new manga, Galaxias that is currently six chapters deep but it has a lot of mystery and is a series that goes under the radar and is underrated, please help it come to people's attention
@@paalyasharahla7574brother he was a jujutsu genius and grinded. LeBron isn’t good at basketball because he’s a full head and shoulders taller than the tallest guy you know.
People always miss the part where hardwork is really never enough on it own. Luck is a big factor. Talent is luck of the genetic draw. And talent alone is also not enough to be on top. Even talented people need to work, maybe not as hard but they still need hard work. Miwa probably worked hard but her talent is not enough. Yuji had a hard life but he was blessed with an amazing body. Yuta has luck at the start but worked hard. And Sukuna must have almost same level of luck/talent as Gojo. Why? Because how in the world can he just learn something from seeing it just once when people takes a lifetime and many even just fail? He learned how to split the soul just based on seeing it done, he learned to use RCT on his burnt out CT just from seeing Gojo did it and developing his world cutting slash just from watching Mahoraga. Nobody can work hard to make them be a very fast learner, someone is already a fast learner, and Sukuna is probably the fastest learner in the verse. Being able to almost perfectly sense CE and CT? That is talent. I'd say that is even better than Gojo's blessing. Kusakabe had more talent than Miwa but he has pennies compared to what Gojo and Sukuna inherited in the billions.
@rbr1170 yuji barely worked hard. Most of yujis power came from the soul swapping training and eating blood paintings. As a matter of fact, yuji wouldn't even know how to do domain expansion if he didn't do soul swapping training, which buffed up everyone. As yuta said, " he cheated when it came to power." Where do people say yuji worked hard about? He has two CTs, one that choso taught him and one that sukuna left him with after being sukunas vessel for so long. Yuji is one of the most gifted mcs ever. Most of yujis' power also came from his consecutive black flashes. With how gifted yuji was I'm surprised he wasn't stronger than gojo
"atp amplification: cardio overdrive" "your brain needs nutrients. I have surpassed technique burnout and domain cooldown by continuous treatment" "revive you, yuji? Sure. I already stabilized your body to not get any more dying." "by sacrifing parts of my body, I can abuse binding vows for immediate power. Sugar infusion can substitute as a tribute, or to stabilize self inflicted losses" "DOMAIN EXPANSION: SWEET KITCHEN"
Sukuna basically is the saying, "someone somewhere else in the world is training to kill you" he was the strongest, but he knew to maintain that top seat he couldn't slack off. He was a fighter born in a world of chaos. Gojo was a fighter born in a world of peace. and both relished the fact that there wss someone out there whom they didn't have to hold back - reading the gojo v sukuna chaps, the dialogue felt like two guys finally having the opportunity to let loose. Basically the me and bro when we get superpowers, fighting to see whos rhe strongest
Shrine by itself is a very basic and not very impressive CT, but Sukuna takes the technique's potential to the extreme not only with the inhuman amount of Cursed Energy and natural talent he has but also with all the Binding Vows he stacks on the technique to avoid its weakness. - Slashes can't get through something? Make the slashes ignore resistance in exchange for having to touch the target - Furnace is too slow and not powerful enough? Apply a condition where you can only use it within your Domain Expansion or in a 1v1 - Something is literally impossible to cut? Change the target of the technique to THE WORLD ITSELF and cut everything in it. It's no wonder Sukuna is the Binding Vow Merchant
How is an invisible and something that adjust to target's durability (distinguishes between living and non-living) slicing technique a very basic technique? And binding vow is not a guaranteed thing, see Miwa for example. Although yes, blessed with his amount of CE, physique and inteligence, most CT will be broken in his hands. Regardless, his CT is also broken much like Gojo's. It is up there with blood manipulation, curse speech and others. They are in the hands of relatively weak characters but they can still match up to most (except the top 5 in the verse). Blood manipulation can be said as too basic because it is just manipulating blood, not even all fluids and just the blood of the user. Curse speech is basic because it is just using words. Just because something seems simple does not make it basic or weak. Sukuna's CT is as broken as these inherited simple CTs.
@@angrymeowngiSlashes were shown to depend heavily on CE output, because when he had low CE output but was still stronger than yuji dismantle caused only shallow cuts. This is why if someone with a normal amount of CE has his technique it is pretty unimpressive, having low damage at long range and decent damage at very close range they get outclassed by a lot of mid cursed techniques. For example Nanimi's 7:3 would be better since it can do a lot of damage in close range(He cut mahito's arm halfway with it even though mahito was a special grade and was reinforcing with CE), but still outranges shrines dismantle since he uses a tool and doesn't need direct contact. Or for example Jogo's disaster flame, which has a lot more versatility in terms of long range attacks.
@@angrymeowngi Dont get us wrong, its a powerful technique. But is it something you would consider hacks? Especially in jjk theres much more potent techniques, but sukuna literally utilizes it to its max
Just look at how he used the 10 Shadows technique and compare it to Megumi. He merged Nue with Great Serpent to create a giant winged beast that could cover an entire neighborhood with lightning. He turned Divine Dog into an entire pack of hell hounds be trading their autonomy. He used the shadows techniques without summoning their physical form like using Max Elephant's water canon as if it were piercing blood, or taking on Mahoraga's burden of adaption while keeping him hidden in the shadows so Maho couldn't get one shot by Yorozu or Gojo. And he was able to tame Mahoraga and use him as a blueprint to advance his own curse technique, something nobody else in the entire Zenin clan could do. No doubt, Sukuna was gifted natural born talent like his 4 armed body and cursed energy reserves. But he also very clearly is a sorcery genius and a lab demon at fighting.
Jesus….Megumi has a crap ton of work to do to match what Sukuna did, but now that you mentioned all that I wonder if Megumi knows how to do some of that now that Sukuna did it himself (in Meg’s body)
W bro.. Talented in sorcery and further amplifying it to perfection by hardwork..but damn most of the things still mystery ,hope gege explain some of the things.. (And Nanami was great choice, same here)
Appreciate you answering my question. As for my own thoughts, I consider Shrine to be a pretty mediocre CT. From what we've seen and how it works, it seems pretty overpowered on the outside. But just by having his output fall, the CT becomes pretty useless. You'd need Sukuna/Gojo levels of strength to even make it work. Limitless comes with you being untouchable, warping space, teleporting, and creating mini black holes, all without even learning RCT. Shrine mostly just seems to be a CT fit to kill. Can you imagine if Sukuna had a CT like Construction? He'd build a particle accelerator around you in seconds and fry your brain just for fun. I don't disagree that him being born with his body automatically makes him strong even without anything, but it appears that being didn't in one regard didn't automatically make him strong in another. I guess it just depends on how you see it: What's better? A CT or the sorcerer?
Honestly the strongest part of shrine I’d say is that dismantles are invisible to almost every sorcerer. The advantage that gives you is absurd and makes it so that long and short range tactics are risky. Especially if you have a solid CE pool or even above average then you can lob off or severely damage limbs. But outside that shrine isn’t even that good offensively unless you’re a demon in close quarters combat.
I wouldn't call it mediocre though, it's definitely a great CT to have, but it is mediocre compared to Limitless, Construction, Star Rage, 10S, Copy, Idle Transfiguration etc. which basically are CTs which all have nigh infinite potential.
I mean, literally everything in the series is useless if you drop the output, infinity being the an exception. small output? Red, Blue, 10S, Star rage, Shrine, etc. all become useless. The important part is that Shrine is equiped with a long-short range killing move, with a stronger version that increases its power based on the enemy's durability, an extremely powerful fire attack that has the one weakness of being slow, and a domain expansion thats just "f*ck everything in every direction" and all of that is accompanied by it having a good cursed energy efficiency (cuz a big part of the efficiency comes from the technique and not the sorcerer). Shrine is objectively a strong CT.
I like what you commented, Yuji didn't know about the help but didn't know Sukuna would regain his domain either. Which makes Sukuna more impressive because he did say Yuji made a miscalculation, so possibility already knew he'd soon get his domain back and win the fight
The reason why Yuji is so good at timing black flash is because his only ability he could work on fully was his focus. Since the beginning he hasn’t had a ct or anything else so that’s what he trained first imo
I feel like people are downplaying Yuji’s statement of confidence because of the sudden help from Nobara and Megumi, but nothing says he wouldn’t have won anyway. The only person who was shit taking Yuji at that point was Sukuna who is a proven hater of Yuji. Him saying Yuji has gone beyond his limit could be projecting his own thoughts/opinions about Yuji without facing reality, that Yuji was still ready to keep throwing down. In fact that would line up with everything we’ve seen so far, Sukuna specifically didn’t bother finishing off Yuji even though Yuji was probably his biggest counter in the fight. When it comes to Yuji, Sukuna is arrogant and pompous to the point of illogical and short sighted. Oh and lastly, Yuji had seemingly come to terms with no longer holding out for Megumi. So those soul cleaved that were aimed in between their souls could very easily now be directed straight at Sukuna’s soul which we’ve seen inflicts massive damage when Sukuna does that to Mahito.
@@sharpch4026 if megumi didnt want to go back all yuji's efforts would be in vain his black flash would just do damage not be a killing blow,and nobara also leaved sukuna open with ressonance i just dont see a way for yuji to be able to pull that off alone even considering the state sukuna was in but i dont think his confidence was pure arrogance it was more trust on himself and his comrades or something like that
@@matheusmazza4398 the assumption in clueless, as Yuji had already made Sukuna puke his fingers before and Sukuna would be on one finger power level, which is not comparable to current Yuji
All of it. He is obviously a force of nature. But we see with all of his binding vows and his management of cursed energy that he knows all there is about being a sorcerer. And when he was faced with a sorcerer with more raw power, he created conditions where he could use someone else's technique to win. At the same time, it took multiple lost limbs and black flashes to drop him to Yuta's level as far as cursed energy. He is a monster. Also, in literature, the technique Gege uses is called "repetition", as written about by Kierkegaard, Gertrude Stein, and Gille Deleuze.
Sukuna is both talented and hardworking but was born with an average curse technique. It's implied in the story that Cleave is the basic ability of Shrine based on how Yuta and Yuji used it. Everything else is innovation from Sukuna. Dismantle = binding vow that sacrifices curse energy adjustment for range Fuga = binding vows that increases speed and range Malevolent Shrine = MS has a weakness that targets everything within the domain except the user. It doesn't cancel the opponent's domain sure hit on Sukuna which makes him vulnerable. Sukuna used open barrier domain to smash his opponent's domain barrier first. Any average Joe with Shrine would just be a powerful melee combatant at best. They'd be at a disadvantage in range encounters and would lose nearly all domain clashes.
Yeah that can very well be the case. Not to mention the reality slash too. It's scary to think about what would've happened if Sukuna had more time with the 10 shadows. Maybe well's unknown abyss fusion with Mahoraga or the shadow form thing he did with divine dogs; to keep it from being permanently destroyed while it adapts lol
Chapter 230 page 4, Malevolent Shrine doesn't apply the sure hit to Sukuna otherwise he'd be cutting himself in his own domain. Because he doesn't have a sure-hit applied to himself, the opponent's sure hit doesn't get canceled. The reason why Sukuna didn't get lobotomized was because he directed the damage to Megumi's soul. The whole Megumi takeover situation was to quote "Take that card(Infinite Void) out of the deck" and find a way past Infinity without domain amplification.
Dude, just start talking about Kagurabachi!!! Excellent series and it's young. You will absolutely get the same following you have as with the JJK following. I'm absolutely one of them.
I honestly think that with everything we know and what gege has said, the answer to the question geto posed to gojo is that both are true. Gojo was raised as being/going to be strong/the strongest so that had heavy influence on gojo at a young age (contributing to strength influencing who gojo was). We also see that after the toji incident, gojo trains a whole year to master his CT. His attitude also changes which also alludes to gojo not entirely relying on his inherent strength. I also want to clarify that I think the questions were more asking which defines the other, does gojos personality/character define being the strongest or vice versa. So I ultimately think that gege was trying to show that there isn't a true answer to the question because both are true. Also, yuta/gojo imo doesn't answer the question because yuta had limited training in gojos body (they do say yuta is a prodigy but still), while gojo had his whole life/his body and CT was all gojo knew (also took like a year to auto infinity for gojo). idk I might be wrong about it but thanks for the vids :)
One caveat - Kenjaku's cursed technique gives him the host memories, allowing him to better handle the body's cursed technique. It's not perfect; Yuta didn't master Limitless just with that. So it wasn't just Yuta's prodigious skill.
@@CustomSet101I mean we’ve also kinda seen that yuta had to like recall the memories still, like he forgot that gojos arms are long asf, but yeah I feel like bro should’ve known the controls at that point
@@thejoster992lol2 Knowing and mastering - making it second nature - are different. It'll take time and practice for Yuta to get to that point. Still, it does show that Gojo's skill is very high, if Limitless is that hard to use.
Sukuna was also born with the biggest cursed energy pool in history. That's also a divine blessing; energy reserves can't be trained. He can copy advanced cursed techniques - another blessing. He learned Kenjaku's soul transference, Gojo's cursed technique burnout heal and Mahoraga's slash from just one glance. Ane he's physically one of the strongest beings; kinda like Yuji at the start of the series.
Yes it was stated he is a genius and its true. Although people are salty Sukuna won with 10S, Sukuna was smart in concocting a plan using people objects all at his disposal, sentiments be damn and thats the whole point, his W is not suppose to be "honorable "
Doesn't he have massive CE pool because he kept eating people that Uraume cooked? Like actual people Uraume chopped up and grilled during the Heian Era
Talent 100% with some hard work Talent Aspects - Born with the perfect body - Dead twin buff+ - Spawned in the Golden Age of Jujutsu - Op CT for combat related purposes that has a nuke - Edit: Largest CE amount in the series Hard work Aspects - Creativity - Knowledge
Nah, his CT usage would count as hard work. Shrine is very basic, but Sukuna has min maxed it to it's absolute fullest. He quite literally put binding vows on everything about his CT, making things like his nuke or durability bypassing slash possible.
11:10 The reason was that Gojo didn't give enough time for mahoraga to perform it. Unlike Sukuna, mahoraga still needs to swing it's sword to perform it. Since Gojo kept got in the way, maho didn't have an opening to use it. And to make something clear, the world cutting slash can cut through blue. All of Gojo's techniques interferes with space-time upto a precision of atomic level. Tearing apart space itself means the slash has a precision of sub atomic level. So yes, the world cutting slash can cut through blue, red and purple. This is precisely why Sukuna tried to learn it through mahoraga because he didn't have something like six eyes to perceive if the slash is tearing apart space or not. Also the reason why he saw Gojo as the perfect opportunity to use mahoraga against, because if the adaptation can get through infinity, it means it can slash anything. Sukuna would no longer need to adjust his CT output according to his opponent. He got an instant win condition with WCS.
Since Domain Amplification neutralizes CTs, even techniques as overpowered as Limitless, I wonder if Gojo could have neutralized the World Cutting Slash in his heightened post-Black Flash state using Domain Amplification instead of relying on Infinity 🤔
Yeah definitely simply because Sukuna disregard anything anyone and everything and that is Gojo weakness, his humanity. If Gojo lacked that he would be a complete unstoppable monster
Gojo and Sukuna are unmatched sorcerers Even after Yuuji getting the W it was through immense effort and companionship. He is just not up there and we will never get a full kit Yuuji fight.
I completely agree with what you say aboutJojo’s being just pure fun especially part 2 without two much “lore” or what not. But trust me you’re going to get the best of both in part 5 and 6. Without spoilers I’ll say Part 4 is slice of life, And Part 3 is where most the memes come in so it’ll be like watching a movie with a bunch of famous actors and you noticing them everywhere.my friend got me hooked and it and it’s lit.
His talents are already busted, but in order to reach the point he did he would have needed to put in a lot of hard work. Probably helped that he was naturally as strong and smart as he was though. So short answer: both
I think it's just that he is a genious. He was just born with a raw talent that allowed him to do everything extremely well (similar to Gojo) and copy stuff on the fly. With experience, he polished his moves, but I don't really see him going though a Saitama/Deku training arc. "Hard work" seems like a leap imo.
I dont think sakuna is talented because he has a good technique, but because he was born with a mutant body perfect for combat, infinite energy reserves and most of all a brain that can learn anything from seeing it once, I dont think he works hard, cause when your that talented you go through all your life never needing to work hard, and gojo is similar his technique is op, but gojo is so talented that he could train for 5 minutes and achieve the same results as someone else training for years, gojos traumatic arc probably pushed him to put good training hours in, but I think anyone whos born with his stats could do what he did and reach his level of higher (keep in mind he had like 10 years post awakening to further refine himself
Well, we know Sukuna learned a lot of Jujutsu lore, and he had to have trained his cursed energy output and control somewhat but not to the extent others have to train But yeah Sukuna didn't need to work hard to get to the top 'cause he was already so talented. Especially with the sorceror strength is 80% determined at birth.
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11:24 Manganimist, that is really good expectation-setting. It is an anime/manga where uncomfortable themes are explored. But it's also one of the best animes of all time despite the ridiculous and at times gross subject matter because all of these things are approached with heart and are explored meaningfully
@@ezekielmills7553My guy was 27 when he died. GOJO died at 28. Geto had 10 years (A decade) after the Hidden Inventory Arc to Train but when he came back he literally didn't do shit. No Domain, No RCT, only a change in appearance 💀
@@X01_007 I think Gege said that the shrine Kenjaku used vs. Tsukumo Yuki is Geto's. Kenjaku just made use of it, but I can't be 100% certain. Kenjaku had been experimenting for centuries on cursed energy, and his control and skill was much greater than almost any sorcerer. He knew a lot, including how to maximize Geto's technique. And he hand-to-hand was better, equal to Gojo.
@X01_007 1. Your comparing them to a 1000+ year old 2. Gege had not come up with half the concepts we have now by JJK0's story, so that's a bit disingenuous
@CustomSet101 he never confirmed it either way, but there's evidence for you to make an argument for it being Geto or Kenny's domain. Also Sukuna is the only person I would give hand to hand on par with Gojo and really not even then based on the fight we got
Hey! Thanks for the content. I’m really enjoying your viewpoints and look forward to following another story "together" after JJK ends. I wanted to ask: Do you think we’ll ever find out what Geto told Gojo before he died in JJK 0, or is it one of those plot lines we’ll never get answers for?
I think because Sukuna was a Twin, he did the opposite of what maki did. His twin had the physical abilities but he ate his twin thereby gaining the insane physical prowess, weird observation abilities of maki, and crazy cursed energy capacity.
I don’t think I can give hard work to a character that knew everything the second we met him and we’ve never seen a backstory for him, much less him having to train for his power. He was born unwanted, but he did not say he was born weak.
Hey Manganimist, thanks for the DM response! 🤝 I wanted your take on this: I feel that Yuji should have awakened Shrine that functions the same way as Sukuna’s does with the ranged dismantles and the Cleave that requires contact to function. That would have made Yuji’s arsenal more well rounded and versatile. Also solidifying him as a Special-Grade and Gojo contender. Cleave would make him even deadlier as a close range combatant while dismantle gives him ranged option. I’ve even worked out the kinks storywise in a way where that wouldn’t facilitate an early defeat of Sukuna and the story would basically progress as it already has. Now Yuji who’s gone through his spiritual and philosophical journey. Becoming akin to the Bodhisattva of Mercy (Kannon), should through his own skill and desire of not wanting to harm anyone physically. Not wanting to slice anyone or anything up, but instead wishing to save Megumi. Could through his unique understanding and perception of the soul (soul punches, Mahito’s natural predator etc.). Switch the target of his dismantles and Cleaves to not target the physical vessel and body of an enemy(s). Instead targeting the Soul and thereafter expand upon that with a binding vow that specifically targets the barrier between two souls (Sukuna and Megumi). Same way that Sukuna could evolve shrine to target “existence” (WCS) and bypass infinity. Yuji would parallel the King of Curses and make a parody of his CT where it aims to help and free the vessels of incarnated Sorcerers. Instead of wanting to destroy things. Yuji who’s been stated to show equal potential to Sukuna should show that uncanny perception for sorcery techniques, and could then have his Shrine differentiate further by having the Furnace: Open use blue fire. Blue fire could symbolize the modern interpretation of cooking where we use hotter fire on stoves. Also Yuji could once again flip Shrine on it’s head by having his DE function exactly as MS but introducing a function. Where upon entering Yuji’s Domain Expansion, a target will have their Innate Domain visited by Yuji who offers them an enlightened perspective and the option of Mercy. If the target(s) refuse this offer (like Sukuna going South), then the second stage kicks in where Yuji’s DE with a different aesthetic, functions similar to MS. Having rapidly fired Dismantles/Cleaves as the Sure-hit. Able to switch between the Sure-hit targeting the physical vessel or Soul, applying his Blue Furnace: Open into the domain etc. What I hope that mercy function of his domain does, is give Yuji’s DE the non-lethal domain buffs since technically it’s not intended to be lethal unless the target refuses his mercy and decides to continue fighting. Furthermore, If Yuji truly does continue living with Sukuna inside himself. I personally hope to see a Naruto Kurama situation (Yuji’s earned it), where Yuji inherits Sukuna’s Jujutsu skills and knowledge (WCS with fewer prerequisites for example). With them forming a unique symbiotic relationship where Yuji can transform into his own separate or Sukuna’s “Heian” Four armed, Two mouthed, tattooed, four eyes, half mask, form. Gaining access to Sukuna’s insane CE reserves and CE efficiency. In this hypothetical form, Yuji would basically be Heian Era Sukuna, but retain his supernatural physicality perks, could still use his Blood Conversion to CE ability, use his second Blood Manipulation CT. Retain his “Black Flash mastery” etc. While I know this doesn’t make sense, I really like the Jekyll and Hyde homage of this and think that Sukuna’s Heian Era Form is such a cool design. Would be a tragedy if it went to waste. Bonus question: Do you think we will see Yuji’s progression with Blood Manipulation in these last three chapters? Flowing Red Scale: Stack, Piercing Blood, Supernova, Crimson Binding, Blood Armor, Maximum: Wing King etc. Once again sorry for the yap fest, thanks for your DM response, love from Sweden 🇸🇪 and love your content, peace!✌🏻
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imagine if sukuna looks how he looks is because of him meeting an idle transfiguration user in the past that simply rearranged the consumed twins body parts
I think a better question to ask is: Is Sukuna's cursed technique the way it is because of his understanding of Jujutsu? Hear me out on this. Sukuna's shrine is different from Yuji's Shrine. This is partly explained by the idea that they live in different era's but it could also be because Sukuna has expended the possibilities with his cursed technique with bindings vows and the like. An example of this is when he learned the world cutting slash from Mahoraga. He could replicate that by imposing some restrictions on its usage and an increased CE requirement, but seemingly with enough knowledge of CE he could have done that (and many other things with his technique) without it being the base cursed technique. Therefor I think it is very likely that shrine did something similar to Yuji's technique in the beginning. Maybe it only cut whatever he touched at first, maybe it only cut things at range and made a binding vow that in exchange for range he can cut through any object up close if he touches the person or object he wants to cut. Maybe the slashes weren't invissable at first or he could not weve the spider web version of it. So I would asume that his talent coused the technique to evolve into the technique we know today. To further prove this point you only need to look at Mahito and his progression from the start to see what experience, insight and talent can alter a cruse technique and evolve it.
I think Shrine is a great technique but like Hasoka's bungee gum it's the user's ability with it and knowledge of Jujutsu (or nen) that makes it outstanding
Shrine is a good technique but its super simple compared to limitless. In other anime's like jojo or MHA the villain has the most complex power but un jjk the villains power is kinda simple but deadly AF because sukuna is hella creative the wah he uses it specially in the anime. In mahoraga fight he used it in so many different ways. And it just cutting.
Honestly dude woth the amount of channels still thriving talking about Naruto, I think you can go on and on about JJK with theories, what ifs, explanations, character deep dives, you name it. The people will be here for it, specially since the anime itself is nowhere near close to ending.
You should definitely cover mushoku tensei one day, I will have to say there will be times that will make you not want to watch it anymore😅 but it is seriously a really good story and if you're able to get passed or look past the irritating parts you will probably grow to love the series I understand that you have a very tight schedule right now so I'm not expecting for you to even try watching it anytime soon I'm just saying you should do it eventually. put it out like the bottom of your checklist.😊
I feel Sukuna was still gonna get washed, dude damaged his brain again to try open a domain, and that definitely would come back to bite him as the fight went on.
All Sukuna Era Basically Has The 6 Eyes Like Gojo…. The Story Was Say So… Every One Reading Technique Abilities, Kashimo Saying If Gojo Didn’t Have The The 6 Eyes He Wouldn’t Be Able To Keep Up With Sukuna… he Was Switching Inbetween Amplification, & His Ability… while Fighting.. Gojo Doesn’t Have To Do That Like Hakari In His Jackpot Form When Using RCT
Omg, pls give mushoku tensei at least 3 episodes. I genuinely want to see if you'd enjoy it or not. It's one of the only series that made me pick up the LN for more context and world building.
How is this a question he was literally born a twin and killed it which gives a huge power buff plus he has four arms and multiple mouths making him genetically superior without ever having to train Anyone who thinks sukuna is a product of hard work because of his one sentence backstory to kashimo is dumb as hell Hard work doesn’t allow you to just copy random moves you see that’s genius right there
@@eclergt9926 "uummm actually 🤓” Un nerfed pretty much is a buff if all you’ve ever known was the nerfed version of yourself your entire life Plus jujitsu considers twins one being meaning that was their real power just being spilt two ways
@@jacobgallegos8762 yea so is not a buff, is just what Sukuna was suppos to be from the start, same for Maki, she was held back by Mai, so after she died she just unlocked her real power. A buff is something that applies above ur real power
Just seeing how much versatility he had with 10 shadows in comparison to megumi, we can see he is both talent and hard work. His BIQ is simply crazy, higher than anyone in the verse; but with his cursed energy pools he was gifted he turns 10 shadows into a monster of a technique.
When it comes to cursed techniques, do you think talent is relevant when it comes to sorcerers, or do you think the tool's power is the primary factor. And for a quick question 2 (sorry) what are your opinions on the Shinjuku squad versus Gojo. They'd have the same prep time and as a bonus, current Megumi and Nobara.
I haven't seen the video yet but i wanna say my opinion "I belive he is the same like gojo .Blessed with op ct and ce reserves and the dude has 4 arms and 2 mouths which we know is op in the jjk verse
Crazy how Sukuna beat Gojo without his Heavenly blesses in a weak 15 year olds body. Even with low output, the dude was blitzing Maki and surpassing all her abilities by miles. Once he regained his full physical ability, the only way for Yuji to win was to use a domain.
I'm sure sukuna with the sugar technique would still be cracked. Keep in mind that sending slashes flying isn't inherent to the technique, sukuna figured out how to do that or that it could even be done (since his technique isn't inherited and he had no rule book). He also was able to master any non innate technique after seeing it once and has the raw stats to stomp on most sorcerers. Like En from dorohedoro, the technique isn't special but in the right hands it's still monsterous. Now if he gets his hands on powerful cursed tools, it won't even matter.
I’m Sure That Flame Arrow What’s something He Unlocked Or Created…. Like Gojo Reversals Abilities , like Anyone Can Make Shikagami’s You Don’t Need The 10 Shadows Technique, But The Skill Or The Cursed Energy Reserves
Got an interesting question, who would win this match up: True form Sukuna(with six eyes and limitless) vs Gojo (shrine and ten shadows) Also, Sukuna will have Gojo's domain while Gojo will have Sukuna's domain
Was Sukuna gifted? Without a doubt. But the guy refined both his curse technique and curse output to such a degree that he achieved the same level as a 6-eye user.
Canonically Shrine is considered a rare kind of technique because it has at least two attributes that being slashes and fire, so canonically it’s seen as a good technique separate from Sukuna (Sukuna just milks it for all it’s worth since he’s the king of curses)
Yea bcuz Yuta needed more body parts to copy the technique at its full power + he needs someone to teach him how the technique works so he can fully use it
Shrine honestly seems like a technique that just scales to your CE/skill level. It's not going to make anyone with low CE and poor hand-to-hand skills good at fighting, and it's only ever going to be as good as you are skilled a sorcerer. I think the reason Sukuna likes using it is because it's just fun. He's a min-maxer who likes using a "pure skill" build to pubstomp people weaker than himself.
I will say, shrine made me interested in slashing. I never thoguht of that as an ability and the way sukuna used shrine made it cooler. Is shrine inherently a strong ct? Maybe. Its definitely useful with multiple applications but its no limitless. Still, it was cool to see a villian to have an ability like that. Usually their powers are op but sukuna's is rather simple.
I think Sukuna was not heavenly restricted but Reverse heavenly restricted, the world of sorcery treats twins as one individual and he ate his twin. He and Jhin could could have been Like Maki and Mai, him being the result of what would happened if Maki died instead of Mai and that would be gaining an inmense ammount of cursed energy, like mechamaru had Also Sukuna hinted that Yuji was in fact Partialy heavenly restricted when he told maki that she droped it all (cursed energy) unlike the half asset brat....
I see you points but i might disegree on the first one (sukuna talent / hardworker)… SPOILER - we saw what yuta did with cleave and it did barely anything on sukuna, agile for example thin ice breaker Send him flying across the domain. In comparison in the next use of cleave sukuna (in low output) blow away yuji stomach. - for his body i don’t think he was born like that i mean kanjaku somewhat implied that tengen resembled sukuna, at that time tengen said that his/hers body was more similar of curse… so having kenjaku pointing that out its interesting
I really think you have it backwards. I think the technique is only cleave (evidence is yuji never used a real dismantle), but expanded with a binding vow to (ranged, not soul. But there's something about how you can "see" it) dismantle and cleave. Then there's the fire that is powerful but unweildy. Which is why he put a permanent binding vow on it. In other words I think the flexibility of shrine comes from his self imposed limitations and skill.
We Doesn’t Know Sukuna Was Born With the extra Ligaments… Sukuna Is All Talent & Skill… RCT, REVERSALS, BINDING VOWS IS A LEARNED SLILL… You Can Be Born With An Abundance of Cursed Energy but I’m sure you can grow it as well like Haki in one piece or just training… hint why Sukuna era Sorcerers are stronger then the current age.. people fought to the death… Tangen being the budda of the series,he capped the ability of all Sorcers either his barriers
Honestly, the sugar guy's technique could be pretty deadly. He could cause instant hyperglycemia, which would cause all kind of issues and possibly straight up kill you depending on how much glucose he can manifest. And, in theory, if he applied RCT to his technique - he could suck all the glucose out of your body which would send you into hypoglycemic shock and kill you.
@ManganimisYT how do you think the Gojo vs Sukuna fight would have played out if they had both been born with each others CTs and Body. Basically Gojo born with sukuna’s body and vice Versa and then fought. How would have an edge and would someone reach a higher level, than the other with their CT and body ?
One thing I didn't like about the power system is that 80% of a sorcerer's power is innate; it's why Yuta started out special class, while Utahime is still semi-grade 1. Even if they need to learn how to fight, strength and limits are set at birth. Who wins fights is a bit predetermined; it'd be like a wolf vs. an elephant. Sukuna was born with the highest cursed energy in history, one of the most powerful and easy-to-use cursed techniques, plus many other advantages. He didn't need skill or hard work when he was already more powerful than 99% of sorcerers. He's Sukuna because he's the strongest; his training only reinforced that. Although Gege contradicted the 80% rule; Gojo's stronger than previous Six Eyes users due to training, and Hagane and Rokujushi are about Special Grade with insane skill alone.
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Talent magnified by hard work
Well said.
Ounce of hard work
@@paalyasharahla7574brother he was a jujutsu genius and grinded. LeBron isn’t good at basketball because he’s a full head and shoulders taller than the tallest guy you know.
People always miss the part where hardwork is really never enough on it own. Luck is a big factor. Talent is luck of the genetic draw. And talent alone is also not enough to be on top. Even talented people need to work, maybe not as hard but they still need hard work. Miwa probably worked hard but her talent is not enough. Yuji had a hard life but he was blessed with an amazing body. Yuta has luck at the start but worked hard. And Sukuna must have almost same level of luck/talent as Gojo. Why? Because how in the world can he just learn something from seeing it just once when people takes a lifetime and many even just fail? He learned how to split the soul just based on seeing it done, he learned to use RCT on his burnt out CT just from seeing Gojo did it and developing his world cutting slash just from watching Mahoraga. Nobody can work hard to make them be a very fast learner, someone is already a fast learner, and Sukuna is probably the fastest learner in the verse. Being able to almost perfectly sense CE and CT? That is talent. I'd say that is even better than Gojo's blessing. Kusakabe had more talent than Miwa but he has pennies compared to what Gojo and Sukuna inherited in the billions.
@rbr1170 yuji barely worked hard. Most of yujis power came from the soul swapping training and eating blood paintings. As a matter of fact, yuji wouldn't even know how to do domain expansion if he didn't do soul swapping training, which buffed up everyone. As yuta said, " he cheated when it came to power." Where do people say yuji worked hard about? He has two CTs, one that choso taught him and one that sukuna left him with after being sukunas vessel for so long. Yuji is one of the most gifted mcs ever. Most of yujis' power also came from his consecutive black flashes. With how gifted yuji was I'm surprised he wasn't stronger than gojo
Imagine if Sukuna had the sugar guys Cursed Technique, and he wins by giving everyone diabetes.
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"atp amplification: cardio overdrive"
"your brain needs nutrients. I have surpassed technique burnout and domain cooldown by continuous treatment"
"revive you, yuji? Sure. I already stabilized your body to not get any more dying."
"by sacrifing parts of my body, I can abuse binding vows for immediate power. Sugar infusion can substitute as a tribute, or to stabilize self inflicted losses"
"DOMAIN EXPANSION: SWEET KITCHEN"
Sukuna basically is the saying, "someone somewhere else in the world is training to kill you" he was the strongest, but he knew to maintain that top seat he couldn't slack off. He was a fighter born in a world of chaos. Gojo was a fighter born in a world of peace. and both relished the fact that there wss someone out there whom they didn't have to hold back - reading the gojo v sukuna chaps, the dialogue felt like two guys finally having the opportunity to let loose. Basically the me and bro when we get superpowers, fighting to see whos rhe strongest
Shrine by itself is a very basic and not very impressive CT, but Sukuna takes the technique's potential to the extreme not only with the inhuman amount of Cursed Energy and natural talent he has but also with all the Binding Vows he stacks on the technique to avoid its weakness.
- Slashes can't get through something? Make the slashes ignore resistance in exchange for having to touch the target
- Furnace is too slow and not powerful enough? Apply a condition where you can only use it within your Domain Expansion or in a 1v1
- Something is literally impossible to cut? Change the target of the technique to THE WORLD ITSELF and cut everything in it.
It's no wonder Sukuna is the Binding Vow Merchant
He's a min maxer
Sukuna would be terrifying with any cursed technique as long as its not total dogshit
How is an invisible and something that adjust to target's durability (distinguishes between living and non-living) slicing technique a very basic technique? And binding vow is not a guaranteed thing, see Miwa for example. Although yes, blessed with his amount of CE, physique and inteligence, most CT will be broken in his hands. Regardless, his CT is also broken much like Gojo's. It is up there with blood manipulation, curse speech and others. They are in the hands of relatively weak characters but they can still match up to most (except the top 5 in the verse). Blood manipulation can be said as too basic because it is just manipulating blood, not even all fluids and just the blood of the user. Curse speech is basic because it is just using words. Just because something seems simple does not make it basic or weak. Sukuna's CT is as broken as these inherited simple CTs.
@@angrymeowngiSlashes were shown to depend heavily on CE output, because when he had low CE output but was still stronger than yuji dismantle caused only shallow cuts.
This is why if someone with a normal amount of CE has his technique it is pretty unimpressive, having low damage at long range and decent damage at very close range they get outclassed by a lot of mid cursed techniques.
For example Nanimi's 7:3 would be better since it can do a lot of damage in close range(He cut mahito's arm halfway with it even though mahito was a special grade and was reinforcing with CE), but still outranges shrines dismantle since he uses a tool and doesn't need direct contact.
Or for example Jogo's disaster flame, which has a lot more versatility in terms of long range attacks.
@@angrymeowngi Dont get us wrong, its a powerful technique. But is it something you would consider hacks? Especially in jjk theres much more potent techniques, but sukuna literally utilizes it to its max
He is simply both.
Simply turned into poop
@@art0ni641 look who's salty
@@Gozieaaa look who's poopy...poopkuna got that fecal aura
@@Gozieaaa bro poopkuna is cool I get it
@@art0ni641 he's not poop 💀
Just look at how he used the 10 Shadows technique and compare it to Megumi. He merged Nue with Great Serpent to create a giant winged beast that could cover an entire neighborhood with lightning. He turned Divine Dog into an entire pack of hell hounds be trading their autonomy. He used the shadows techniques without summoning their physical form like using Max Elephant's water canon as if it were piercing blood, or taking on Mahoraga's burden of adaption while keeping him hidden in the shadows so Maho couldn't get one shot by Yorozu or Gojo. And he was able to tame Mahoraga and use him as a blueprint to advance his own curse technique, something nobody else in the entire Zenin clan could do. No doubt, Sukuna was gifted natural born talent like his 4 armed body and cursed energy reserves. But he also very clearly is a sorcery genius and a lab demon at fighting.
Jesus….Megumi has a crap ton of work to do to match what Sukuna did, but now that you mentioned all that I wonder if Megumi knows how to do some of that now that Sukuna did it himself (in Meg’s body)
W bro..
Talented in sorcery and further amplifying it to perfection by hardwork..but damn most of the things still mystery ,hope gege explain some of the things..
(And Nanami was great choice, same here)
Appreciate you answering my question.
As for my own thoughts, I consider Shrine to be a pretty mediocre CT.
From what we've seen and how it works, it seems pretty overpowered on the outside.
But just by having his output fall, the CT becomes pretty useless. You'd need Sukuna/Gojo levels of strength to even make it work.
Limitless comes with you being untouchable, warping space, teleporting, and creating mini black holes, all without even learning RCT.
Shrine mostly just seems to be a CT fit to kill.
Can you imagine if Sukuna had a CT like Construction? He'd build a particle accelerator around you in seconds and fry your brain just for fun.
I don't disagree that him being born with his body automatically makes him strong even without anything, but it appears that being didn't in one regard didn't automatically make him strong in another.
I guess it just depends on how you see it:
What's better? A CT or the sorcerer?
Honestly the strongest part of shrine I’d say is that dismantles are invisible to almost every sorcerer. The advantage that gives you is absurd and makes it so that long and short range tactics are risky. Especially if you have a solid CE pool or even above average then you can lob off or severely damage limbs. But outside that shrine isn’t even that good offensively unless you’re a demon in close quarters combat.
I wouldn't call it mediocre though, it's definitely a great CT to have, but it is mediocre compared to Limitless, Construction, Star Rage, 10S, Copy, Idle Transfiguration etc. which basically are CTs which all have nigh infinite potential.
I mean, literally everything in the series is useless if you drop the output, infinity being the an exception. small output? Red, Blue, 10S, Star rage, Shrine, etc. all become useless.
The important part is that Shrine is equiped with a long-short range killing move, with a stronger version that increases its power based on the enemy's durability, an extremely powerful fire attack that has the one weakness of being slow, and a domain expansion thats just "f*ck everything in every direction" and all of that is accompanied by it having a good cursed energy efficiency (cuz a big part of the efficiency comes from the technique and not the sorcerer).
Shrine is objectively a strong CT.
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I like what you commented, Yuji didn't know about the help but didn't know Sukuna would regain his domain either. Which makes Sukuna more impressive because he did say Yuji made a miscalculation, so possibility already knew he'd soon get his domain back and win the fight
The reason why Yuji is so good at timing black flash is because his only ability he could work on fully was his focus. Since the beginning he hasn’t had a ct or anything else so that’s what he trained first imo
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I feel like people are downplaying Yuji’s statement of confidence because of the sudden help from Nobara and Megumi, but nothing says he wouldn’t have won anyway. The only person who was shit taking Yuji at that point was Sukuna who is a proven hater of Yuji. Him saying Yuji has gone beyond his limit could be projecting his own thoughts/opinions about Yuji without facing reality, that Yuji was still ready to keep throwing down.
In fact that would line up with everything we’ve seen so far, Sukuna specifically didn’t bother finishing off Yuji even though Yuji was probably his biggest counter in the fight. When it comes to Yuji, Sukuna is arrogant and pompous to the point of illogical and short sighted.
Oh and lastly, Yuji had seemingly come to terms with no longer holding out for Megumi. So those soul cleaved that were aimed in between their souls could very easily now be directed straight at Sukuna’s soul which we’ve seen inflicts massive damage when Sukuna does that to Mahito.
Nah yuji couldnt do shit alone,if megumi didnt want to come back and nobara didnt help him he would be dead the Second his domain colapses
People expected yuji to dominate sukuna like gohan ssj2 vs perfect cell. Some people can't read between the lines.
@@matheusmazza4398 Yuji almost forced him out, the only thing Megumi did is help break his simple domain
@@sharpch4026 if megumi didnt want to go back all yuji's efforts would be in vain his black flash would just do damage not be a killing blow,and nobara also leaved sukuna open with ressonance i just dont see a way for yuji to be able to pull that off alone even considering the state sukuna was in but i dont think his confidence was pure arrogance it was more trust on himself and his comrades or something like that
@@matheusmazza4398 the assumption in clueless, as Yuji had already made Sukuna puke his fingers before and Sukuna would be on one finger power level, which is not comparable to current Yuji
All of it. He is obviously a force of nature. But we see with all of his binding vows and his management of cursed energy that he knows all there is about being a sorcerer. And when he was faced with a sorcerer with more raw power, he created conditions where he could use someone else's technique to win. At the same time, it took multiple lost limbs and black flashes to drop him to Yuta's level as far as cursed energy. He is a monster. Also, in literature, the technique Gege uses is called "repetition", as written about by Kierkegaard, Gertrude Stein, and Gille Deleuze.
Sukuna is both talented and hardworking but was born with an average curse technique. It's implied in the story that Cleave is the basic ability of Shrine based on how Yuta and Yuji used it. Everything else is innovation from Sukuna.
Dismantle = binding vow that sacrifices curse energy adjustment for range
Fuga = binding vows that increases speed and range
Malevolent Shrine = MS has a weakness that targets everything within the domain except the user. It doesn't cancel the opponent's domain sure hit on Sukuna which makes him vulnerable. Sukuna used open barrier domain to smash his opponent's domain barrier first.
Any average Joe with Shrine would just be a powerful melee combatant at best. They'd be at a disadvantage in range encounters and would lose nearly all domain clashes.
Cleave itself just seems like a closed range slash, Sukuna probably made a binding vow to make it one shot.
Yeah that can very well be the case. Not to mention the reality slash too.
It's scary to think about what would've happened if Sukuna had more time with the 10 shadows. Maybe well's unknown abyss fusion with Mahoraga or the shadow form thing he did with divine dogs; to keep it from being permanently destroyed while it adapts lol
Malevolent Shrine does cancel opponent's sure hits effects. It literally canceled Unlimted Void; otherwise, he would've been lobotomize by it.
Bro didn't read the manga why is the jjk community so poor at reading
Chapter 230 page 4, Malevolent Shrine doesn't apply the sure hit to Sukuna otherwise he'd be cutting himself in his own domain. Because he doesn't have a sure-hit applied to himself, the opponent's sure hit doesn't get canceled.
The reason why Sukuna didn't get lobotomized was because he directed the damage to Megumi's soul. The whole Megumi takeover situation was to quote "Take that card(Infinite Void) out of the deck" and find a way past Infinity without domain amplification.
Dude, just start talking about Kagurabachi!!! Excellent series and it's young. You will absolutely get the same following you have as with the JJK following. I'm absolutely one of them.
The Sugar guy can potentially give people diabetes, and that in itself is pretty scary
No not really
@@thanurs do you have diabetebetebetes?!
@@gustavoburciaga6200 nah but this is in the world of JJK we’re talking about
I honestly think that with everything we know and what gege has said, the answer to the question geto posed to gojo is that both are true. Gojo was raised as being/going to be strong/the strongest so that had heavy influence on gojo at a young age (contributing to strength influencing who gojo was). We also see that after the toji incident, gojo trains a whole year to master his CT. His attitude also changes which also alludes to gojo not entirely relying on his inherent strength. I also want to clarify that I think the questions were more asking which defines the other, does gojos personality/character define being the strongest or vice versa. So I ultimately think that gege was trying to show that there isn't a true answer to the question because both are true. Also, yuta/gojo imo doesn't answer the question because yuta had limited training in gojos body (they do say yuta is a prodigy but still), while gojo had his whole life/his body and CT was all gojo knew (also took like a year to auto infinity for gojo). idk I might be wrong about it but thanks for the vids :)
One caveat - Kenjaku's cursed technique gives him the host memories, allowing him to better handle the body's cursed technique. It's not perfect; Yuta didn't master Limitless just with that. So it wasn't just Yuta's prodigious skill.
@@CustomSet101I mean we’ve also kinda seen that yuta had to like recall the memories still, like he forgot that gojos arms are long asf, but yeah I feel like bro should’ve known the controls at that point
@@thejoster992lol2 Knowing and mastering - making it second nature - are different. It'll take time and practice for Yuta to get to that point. Still, it does show that Gojo's skill is very high, if Limitless is that hard to use.
But then you have the brain dead Sukuna glazers who think Gojo didn't train at all
Sukuna was also born with the biggest cursed energy pool in history. That's also a divine blessing; energy reserves can't be trained. He can copy advanced cursed techniques - another blessing. He learned Kenjaku's soul transference, Gojo's cursed technique burnout heal and Mahoraga's slash from just one glance. Ane he's physically one of the strongest beings; kinda like Yuji at the start of the series.
He doesn't have an ability to copy a cursed technique. Once he sees a cursed technique, he analysis it and finds a way to use it himself.
Yes it was stated he is a genius and its true. Although people are salty Sukuna won with 10S, Sukuna was smart in concocting a plan using people objects all at his disposal, sentiments be damn and thats the whole point, his W is not suppose to be "honorable "
Doesn't he have massive CE pool because he kept eating people that Uraume cooked? Like actual people Uraume chopped up and grilled during the Heian Era
@@SemekiIzuio basically hes a fraud, thats why hes the strongest
@@akmalrafiaa4772 No, he didn't get any cursed energy from that. He ate people cause he liked to eat people.
Sukuna was lucky being born 1000 too Early
Talent 100% with some hard work
Talent Aspects
- Born with the perfect body
- Dead twin buff+
- Spawned in the Golden Age of Jujutsu
- Op CT for combat related purposes that has a nuke
- Edit: Largest CE amount in the series
Hard work Aspects
- Creativity
- Knowledge
Calling it "dead twin buff" is crazy
His CT seems overpowered because he's the one using it. Yuji doesn't seem to be sending out slashes anytime soon
Nah, his CT usage would count as hard work. Shrine is very basic, but Sukuna has min maxed it to it's absolute fullest. He quite literally put binding vows on everything about his CT, making things like his nuke or durability bypassing slash possible.
On top of that he has sukunas domain but closed
Killing your twin in JJK isn't necessarily a buff, more like reversing a nerf.
He is who he is.
11:10 The reason was that Gojo didn't give enough time for mahoraga to perform it. Unlike Sukuna, mahoraga still needs to swing it's sword to perform it. Since Gojo kept got in the way, maho didn't have an opening to use it. And to make something clear, the world cutting slash can cut through blue. All of Gojo's techniques interferes with space-time upto a precision of atomic level. Tearing apart space itself means the slash has a precision of sub atomic level. So yes, the world cutting slash can cut through blue, red and purple. This is precisely why Sukuna tried to learn it through mahoraga because he didn't have something like six eyes to perceive if the slash is tearing apart space or not. Also the reason why he saw Gojo as the perfect opportunity to use mahoraga against, because if the adaptation can get through infinity, it means it can slash anything. Sukuna would no longer need to adjust his CT output according to his opponent. He got an instant win condition with WCS.
talent or hard work? neither...... BINDING VOWS
Since Domain Amplification neutralizes CTs, even techniques as overpowered as Limitless, I wonder if Gojo could have neutralized the World Cutting Slash in his heightened post-Black Flash state using Domain Amplification instead of relying on Infinity 🤔
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It's both but mostly talent. I would bet if he had gojo's abilities, he would use them better than gojo ever did
Yeah definitely simply because Sukuna disregard anything anyone and everything and that is Gojo weakness, his humanity. If Gojo lacked that he would be a complete unstoppable monster
Oh easily without 6 eyes if sukuna able to perform skill and equal to 6 eye user it's says a lot about sukuna skill.
Its not that he would use them better, its that he would just kill everyone and anyone for no reason
Gojo and Sukuna are unmatched sorcerers
Even after Yuuji getting the W it was through immense effort and companionship. He is just not up there and we will never get a full kit Yuuji fight.
I completely agree with what you say aboutJojo’s being just pure fun especially part 2 without two much “lore” or what not. But trust me you’re going to get the best of both in part 5 and 6.
Without spoilers I’ll say Part 4 is slice of life,
And Part 3 is where most the memes come in so it’ll be like watching a movie with a bunch of famous actors and you noticing them everywhere.my friend got me hooked and it and it’s lit.
His talents are already busted, but in order to reach the point he did he would have needed to put in a lot of hard work. Probably helped that he was naturally as strong and smart as he was though. So short answer: both
I think it's just that he is a genious. He was just born with a raw talent that allowed him to do everything extremely well (similar to Gojo) and copy stuff on the fly. With experience, he polished his moves, but I don't really see him going though a Saitama/Deku training arc. "Hard work" seems like a leap imo.
Only his CT is hard work tbh. It went from a basic, weak CT to a complete powerhouse of a CT because of his min maxing of it.
@@dominocut2963 shrine is not a weak CT. Where did you get that?
I dont think sakuna is talented because he has a good technique, but because he was born with a mutant body perfect for combat, infinite energy reserves and most of all a brain that can learn anything from seeing it once, I dont think he works hard, cause when your that talented you go through all your life never needing to work hard, and gojo is similar his technique is op, but gojo is so talented that he could train for 5 minutes and achieve the same results as someone else training for years, gojos traumatic arc probably pushed him to put good training hours in, but I think anyone whos born with his stats could do what he did and reach his level of higher (keep in mind he had like 10 years post awakening to further refine himself
Well, we know Sukuna learned a lot of Jujutsu lore, and he had to have trained his cursed energy output and control somewhat but not to the extent others have to train But yeah Sukuna didn't need to work hard to get to the top 'cause he was already so talented. Especially with the sorceror strength is 80% determined at birth.
Talent x hard work = the strongest.
question:
could mahoraga theoretically adapt to black flash? atleast the spacial distortion part
well, knowing black flash is a phenomenom so i guess yes
100%. He adapted to water
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11:24 Manganimist, that is really good expectation-setting. It is an anime/manga where uncomfortable themes are explored. But it's also one of the best animes of all time despite the ridiculous and at times gross subject matter because all of these things are approached with heart and are explored meaningfully
The Fact that Kenjaku brought out all of Geto's Potential which even Geto wasn't able to do is a feat by itself
I'd agree except Geto died young
@@ezekielmills7553My guy was 27 when he died. GOJO died at 28. Geto had 10 years (A decade) after the Hidden Inventory Arc to Train but when he came back he literally didn't do shit. No Domain, No RCT, only a change in appearance 💀
@@X01_007 I think Gege said that the shrine Kenjaku used vs. Tsukumo Yuki is Geto's. Kenjaku just made use of it, but I can't be 100% certain. Kenjaku had been experimenting for centuries on cursed energy, and his control and skill was much greater than almost any sorcerer. He knew a lot, including how to maximize Geto's technique. And he hand-to-hand was better, equal to Gojo.
@X01_007 1. Your comparing them to a 1000+ year old
2. Gege had not come up with half the concepts we have now by JJK0's story, so that's a bit disingenuous
@CustomSet101 he never confirmed it either way, but there's evidence for you to make an argument for it being Geto or Kenny's domain. Also Sukuna is the only person I would give hand to hand on par with Gojo and really not even then based on the fight we got
Hey!
Thanks for the content. I’m really enjoying your viewpoints and look forward to following another story "together" after JJK ends.
I wanted to ask: Do you think we’ll ever find out what Geto told Gojo before he died in JJK 0, or is it one of those plot lines we’ll never get answers for?
Haven't watched this video yet, would be funny if you are discussing this here 😂
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I think because Sukuna was a Twin, he did the opposite of what maki did. His twin had the physical abilities but he ate his twin thereby gaining the insane physical prowess, weird observation abilities of maki, and crazy cursed energy capacity.
I don’t think I can give hard work to a character that knew everything the second we met him and we’ve never seen a backstory for him, much less him having to train for his power. He was born unwanted, but he did not say he was born weak.
The same question can be applied to any Antagonist.
Hey Manganimist, thanks for the DM response! 🤝
I wanted your take on this:
I feel that Yuji should have awakened Shrine that functions the same way as Sukuna’s does with the ranged dismantles and the Cleave that requires contact to function.
That would have made Yuji’s arsenal more well rounded and versatile.
Also solidifying him as a Special-Grade and Gojo contender.
Cleave would make him even deadlier as a close range combatant while dismantle gives him ranged option.
I’ve even worked out the kinks storywise in a way where that wouldn’t facilitate an early defeat of Sukuna and the story would basically progress as it already has.
Now Yuji who’s gone through his spiritual and philosophical journey. Becoming akin to the Bodhisattva of Mercy (Kannon), should through his own skill and desire of not wanting to harm anyone physically. Not wanting to slice anyone or anything up, but instead wishing to save Megumi.
Could through his unique understanding and perception of the soul (soul punches, Mahito’s natural predator etc.). Switch the target of his dismantles and Cleaves to not target the physical vessel and body of an enemy(s). Instead targeting the Soul and thereafter expand upon that with a binding vow that specifically targets the barrier between two souls (Sukuna and Megumi).
Same way that Sukuna could evolve shrine to target “existence” (WCS) and bypass infinity.
Yuji would parallel the King of Curses and make a parody of his CT where it aims to help and free the vessels of incarnated Sorcerers.
Instead of wanting to destroy things.
Yuji who’s been stated to show equal potential to Sukuna should show that uncanny perception for sorcery techniques, and could then have his Shrine differentiate further by having the Furnace: Open use blue fire. Blue fire could symbolize the modern interpretation of cooking where we use hotter fire on stoves.
Also Yuji could once again flip Shrine on it’s head by having his DE function exactly as MS but introducing a function. Where upon entering Yuji’s Domain Expansion, a target will have their Innate Domain visited by Yuji who offers them an enlightened perspective and the option of Mercy.
If the target(s) refuse this offer (like Sukuna going South), then the second stage kicks in where Yuji’s DE with a different aesthetic, functions similar to MS.
Having rapidly fired Dismantles/Cleaves as the Sure-hit. Able to switch between the Sure-hit targeting the physical vessel or Soul, applying his Blue Furnace: Open into the domain etc.
What I hope that mercy function of his domain does, is give Yuji’s DE the non-lethal domain buffs since technically it’s not intended to be lethal unless the target refuses his mercy and decides to continue fighting.
Furthermore,
If Yuji truly does continue living with Sukuna inside himself.
I personally hope to see a Naruto Kurama situation (Yuji’s earned it), where Yuji inherits Sukuna’s Jujutsu skills and knowledge (WCS with fewer prerequisites for example).
With them forming a unique symbiotic relationship where Yuji can transform into his own separate or Sukuna’s “Heian” Four armed, Two mouthed, tattooed, four eyes, half mask, form. Gaining access to Sukuna’s insane CE reserves and CE efficiency.
In this hypothetical form,
Yuji would basically be Heian Era Sukuna, but retain his supernatural physicality perks, could still use his Blood Conversion to CE ability, use his second Blood Manipulation CT. Retain his “Black Flash mastery” etc.
While I know this doesn’t make sense, I really like the Jekyll and Hyde homage of this and think that Sukuna’s Heian Era Form is such a cool design. Would be a tragedy if it went to waste.
Bonus question:
Do you think we will see Yuji’s progression with Blood Manipulation in these last three chapters?
Flowing Red Scale: Stack, Piercing Blood, Supernova, Crimson Binding, Blood Armor, Maximum: Wing King etc.
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imagine if sukuna looks how he looks is because of him meeting an idle transfiguration user in the past that simply rearranged the consumed twins body parts
I think a better question to ask is: Is Sukuna's cursed technique the way it is because of his understanding of Jujutsu? Hear me out on this.
Sukuna's shrine is different from Yuji's Shrine. This is partly explained by the idea that they live in different era's but it could also be because Sukuna has expended the possibilities with his cursed technique with bindings vows and the like.
An example of this is when he learned the world cutting slash from Mahoraga. He could replicate that by imposing some restrictions on its usage and an increased CE requirement, but seemingly with enough knowledge of CE he could have done that (and many other things with his technique) without it being the base cursed technique. Therefor I think it is very likely that shrine did something similar to Yuji's technique in the beginning. Maybe it only cut whatever he touched at first, maybe it only cut things at range and made a binding vow that in exchange for range he can cut through any object up close if he touches the person or object he wants to cut. Maybe the slashes weren't invissable at first or he could not weve the spider web version of it. So I would asume that his talent coused the technique to evolve into the technique we know today.
To further prove this point you only need to look at Mahito and his progression from the start to see what experience, insight and talent can alter a cruse technique and evolve it.
I think Shrine is a great technique but like Hasoka's bungee gum it's the user's ability with it and knowledge of Jujutsu (or nen) that makes it outstanding
The best thing about Shrine is its simplicity.
It cuts stuff. No extra shit.
The rest is the ingenuity of the user.
A hein era flashback of the golden age would've been nice.
11:30 NAAAH, the disrespect on the BEST Isekai ever is craaaazy.
Shrine is a good technique but its super simple compared to limitless. In other anime's like jojo or MHA the villain has the most complex power but un jjk the villains power is kinda simple but deadly AF because sukuna is hella creative the wah he uses it specially in the anime. In mahoraga fight he used it in so many different ways.
And it just cutting.
Let's not forget that every power system is basically just stands
Honestly dude woth the amount of channels still thriving talking about Naruto, I think you can go on and on about JJK with theories, what ifs, explanations, character deep dives, you name it. The people will be here for it, specially since the anime itself is nowhere near close to ending.
You should definitely cover mushoku tensei one day, I will have to say there will be times that will make you not want to watch it anymore😅 but it is seriously a really good story and if you're able to get passed or look past the irritating parts you will probably grow to love the series I understand that you have a very tight schedule right now so I'm not expecting for you to even try watching it anytime soon I'm just saying you should do it eventually. put it out like the bottom of your checklist.😊
Sukuna tried very very hard when he ate a baby in the womb thank you very much
I feel Sukuna was still gonna get washed, dude damaged his brain again to try open a domain, and that definitely would come back to bite him as the fight went on.
All Sukuna Era Basically Has The 6 Eyes Like Gojo…. The Story Was Say So… Every One Reading Technique Abilities, Kashimo Saying If Gojo Didn’t Have The The 6 Eyes He Wouldn’t Be Able To Keep Up With Sukuna… he Was Switching Inbetween Amplification, & His Ability… while Fighting.. Gojo Doesn’t Have To Do That Like Hakari In His Jackpot Form When Using RCT
Kenjaku could use multiple ct, lived for 1000+ years, created countless unique and innovative barriers/seals, and had an open domain expansion
Omg, pls give mushoku tensei at least 3 episodes. I genuinely want to see if you'd enjoy it or not. It's one of the only series that made me pick up the LN for more context and world building.
How is this a question he was literally born a twin and killed it which gives a huge power buff plus he has four arms and multiple mouths making him genetically superior without ever having to train
Anyone who thinks sukuna is a product of hard work because of his one sentence backstory to kashimo is dumb as hell
Hard work doesn’t allow you to just copy random moves you see that’s genius right there
Killing ur twin doesn't give you a buff lol, it brings you to your real power
@@eclergt9926 "uummm actually 🤓”
Un nerfed pretty much is a buff if all you’ve ever known was the nerfed version of yourself your entire life
Plus jujitsu considers twins one being meaning that was their real power just being spilt two ways
@@jacobgallegos8762 yea so is not a buff, is just what Sukuna was suppos to be from the start, same for Maki, she was held back by Mai, so after she died she just unlocked her real power. A buff is something that applies above ur real power
@@eclergt9926 his real power was nerfed genius based on the rules of the world twins are born nerfed that’s their natural state
Just seeing how much versatility he had with 10 shadows in comparison to megumi, we can see he is both talent and hard work. His BIQ is simply crazy, higher than anyone in the verse; but with his cursed energy pools he was gifted he turns 10 shadows into a monster of a technique.
When it comes to cursed techniques, do you think talent is relevant when it comes to sorcerers, or do you think the tool's power is the primary factor.
And for a quick question 2 (sorry) what are your opinions on the Shinjuku squad versus Gojo. They'd have the same prep time and as a bonus, current Megumi and Nobara.
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I haven't seen the video yet but i wanna say my opinion "I belive he is the same like gojo .Blessed with op ct and ce reserves and the dude has 4 arms and 2 mouths which we know is op in the jjk verse
Crazy how Sukuna beat Gojo without his Heavenly blesses in a weak 15 year olds body. Even with low output, the dude was blitzing Maki and surpassing all her abilities by miles. Once he regained his full physical ability, the only way for Yuji to win was to use a domain.
I'm sure sukuna with the sugar technique would still be cracked. Keep in mind that sending slashes flying isn't inherent to the technique, sukuna figured out how to do that or that it could even be done (since his technique isn't inherited and he had no rule book). He also was able to master any non innate technique after seeing it once and has the raw stats to stomp on most sorcerers. Like En from dorohedoro, the technique isn't special but in the right hands it's still monsterous. Now if he gets his hands on powerful cursed tools, it won't even matter.
I’m Sure That Flame Arrow What’s something He Unlocked Or Created…. Like Gojo Reversals Abilities , like Anyone Can Make Shikagami’s You Don’t Need The 10 Shadows Technique, But The Skill Or The Cursed Energy Reserves
Got an interesting question, who would win this match up:
True form Sukuna(with six eyes and limitless) vs Gojo (shrine and ten shadows)
Also, Sukuna will have Gojo's domain while Gojo will have Sukuna's domain
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Was Sukuna gifted? Without a doubt. But the guy refined both his curse technique and curse output to such a degree that he achieved the same level as a 6-eye user.
Imagine if sukuna had the six eyes combined with his cursed energy efficiency and the six eyes would be insane
mushoku tensei is really good its the best isekai anime by far
Mahoraga Could Have Used His Positive Cursed Energy Blade To Practically Nullify It
It’s like what they say in Shibuya, he can’t do black flashes at will no one can, but even then he was so good at it that it looks like he does
I’ll say freak of nature
man gotta re read their fight
Canonically Shrine is considered a rare kind of technique because it has at least two attributes that being slashes and fire, so canonically it’s seen as a good technique separate from Sukuna (Sukuna just milks it for all it’s worth since he’s the king of curses)
I think we need sukuna story
Sukuna using shrine: Best🥶
Yuji using shrine: Decent😎
Yuta using shrine: 🤢put the technique down lil bro, nobody wants to see your paper cuts
Yea bcuz Yuta needed more body parts to copy the technique at its full power + he needs someone to teach him how the technique works so he can fully use it
Shrine honestly seems like a technique that just scales to your CE/skill level. It's not going to make anyone with low CE and poor hand-to-hand skills good at fighting, and it's only ever going to be as good as you are skilled a sorcerer. I think the reason Sukuna likes using it is because it's just fun. He's a min-maxer who likes using a "pure skill" build to pubstomp people weaker than himself.
He was twin, so he’s basically heavenly restriction except he can use jujutsu sorcery. It’s prob a mix of both tbh
I will say, shrine made me interested in slashing. I never thoguht of that as an ability and the way sukuna used shrine made it cooler. Is shrine inherently a strong ct? Maybe. Its definitely useful with multiple applications but its no limitless. Still, it was cool to see a villian to have an ability like that. Usually their powers are op but sukuna's is rather simple.
I think Sukuna was not heavenly restricted but Reverse heavenly restricted, the world of sorcery treats twins as one individual and he ate his twin.
He and Jhin could could have been Like Maki and Mai, him being the result of what would happened if Maki died instead of Mai and that would be gaining an inmense ammount of cursed energy, like mechamaru had
Also Sukuna hinted that Yuji was in fact Partialy heavenly restricted when he told maki that she droped it all (cursed energy) unlike the half asset brat....
Luck❌ Hardwork ❌ Binding vows✅
I see you points but i might disegree on the first one (sukuna talent / hardworker)… SPOILER
- we saw what yuta did with cleave and it did barely anything on sukuna, agile for example thin ice breaker Send him flying across the domain. In comparison in the next use of cleave sukuna (in low output) blow away yuji stomach.
- for his body i don’t think he was born like that i mean kanjaku somewhat implied that tengen resembled sukuna, at that time tengen said that his/hers body was more similar of curse… so having kenjaku pointing that out its interesting
I really think you have it backwards. I think the technique is only cleave (evidence is yuji never used a real dismantle), but expanded with a binding vow to (ranged, not soul. But there's something about how you can "see" it) dismantle and cleave. Then there's the fire that is powerful but unweildy. Which is why he put a permanent binding vow on it. In other words I think the flexibility of shrine comes from his self imposed limitations and skill.
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We Doesn’t Know Sukuna Was Born With the extra Ligaments… Sukuna Is All Talent & Skill… RCT, REVERSALS, BINDING VOWS IS A LEARNED SLILL… You Can Be Born With An Abundance of Cursed Energy but I’m sure you can grow it as well like Haki in one piece or just training… hint why Sukuna era Sorcerers are stronger then the current age.. people fought to the death… Tangen being the budda of the series,he capped the ability of all Sorcers either his barriers
5:42 Kenny’s coming back, Momo is dying
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Honestly, the sugar guy's technique could be pretty deadly. He could cause instant hyperglycemia, which would cause all kind of issues and possibly straight up kill you depending on how much glucose he can manifest. And, in theory, if he applied RCT to his technique - he could suck all the glucose out of your body which would send you into hypoglycemic shock and kill you.
It could be deadly, but it's got limits. He can only transfer sugar that's in his body, he can't make any from nothing himself.
I just know Sukuna can't go band for band with Gojo 💰
@ManganimisYT how do you think the Gojo vs Sukuna fight would have played out if they had both been born with each others CTs and Body. Basically Gojo born with sukuna’s body and vice Versa and then fought.
How would have an edge and would someone reach a higher level, than the other with their CT and body ?
One thing I didn't like about the power system is that 80% of a sorcerer's power is innate; it's why Yuta started out special class, while Utahime is still semi-grade 1. Even if they need to learn how to fight, strength and limits are set at birth. Who wins fights is a bit predetermined; it'd be like a wolf vs. an elephant.
Sukuna was born with the highest cursed energy in history, one of the most powerful and easy-to-use cursed techniques, plus many other advantages. He didn't need skill or hard work when he was already more powerful than 99% of sorcerers. He's Sukuna because he's the strongest; his training only reinforced that.
Although Gege contradicted the 80% rule; Gojo's stronger than previous Six Eyes users due to training, and Hagane and Rokujushi are about Special Grade with insane skill alone.
Sukuna is a plot armor
Two words…binding vows
I thought the ranged slices were something sukuna added no one who copied his technique was able to use that