@@Dr_Whovian yeah, that and evidently he was omnipresent thanks to Hamilton blowing up and people use that as an excuse to try to derail them. In the process, people forgot that he is omnipresent because he's good at what he does even if he doesn't always hit, you still remember his stuff
@@lakegroce685 I always knew this was going to happen eventually. Even the his song from mufasa that we've heard does a solid job of retroactively explaining who scar is as a character
Yeah, I knew once I found out Lin Manuel Miranda wasn’t returning for the soundtrack, it was gonna be mediocre. You have Lin Manuel Miranda: a very accomplished, professional, critically acclaimed musical theatre writer and composer. When you take someone with those kinds of accolades and replace him with two TikTokers who wrote the unofficial fanmade bridgerton musical, their work is going to pale in comparison. This is like when Disney hired a pop artist to write the music for Wish.
Julia's credentials wasn't the issue; Disney not sharing much AT ALL during production was the issue. Dhe herself said Disney gave her very little to go on. And Lin (who was working on "Hamilton" at the time) had 3 years to craft the music; B&B only had 1 year. Edit: Apparently B&B have been working on "Moana" as a tv series since at least 2022 according to Lin, but having to rapidly go from show to a film in less than a year is a massive middle finger when trying to work out the kinks and adapt it properly.
@OpticalSorcerer B&B’s credentials were definitely an issue. The bridgerton musical only got as big as it did because its based on bridgerton. The music from what is considered their “best work” is average at best and nowhere as good as Lin Manuel’s. Even if you gave them three years, the music would probably still be mediocre. Also, these two hacks tried to make money off an IP they don’t own and even rejected Netflix’s offer of making their musical legit because they knew they’d make more money selling concert tickets. The fact that disney hired them goes to show how absolutely sad and pathetic disney and become.
@@hkd8227 I've heard here and thete, but I don't know them expertly. Disney probably just thought "they're young and on the rise"; while Lin did have a lot of experience, he hadn't created "Hamilton" when Disney approached him for "Moana" (which one may argue is his magnum opus, but IDK about that and "In the Heights," which had came out by then). Disney approachrd Lin wanting to make a pop-meets-Broadway sound, and I really hope they work with Lucy Moss and Toby Marrow in the future for that purpose (and give them space). There's no way any of us can say whether the quality of B&B's music would be better or worse for the film, but it would've been a better opportunity and standard procedure for a movie's production vs a tv show turned film.
not to play devil's advocate for this movie but tamatoa's ''look it up'' and ''what a terrible performance get the hook'' in the first movie are also ananchronisms
please someone tell me whether this is on the original or not: i watched it in spanish here in mexico, and there’s a point (i believe it’s towards the end of the movie) when Maui says something along the lines of “[someone] got the wrong number”, and then nobody got it and he said something like “this will make sense in a few hundred years” or something. and i get it that they were trying to be quirky or whatever, but it really grinds my gears. it annoys me to no end. and not only because it feels incredibly out of place, but because it disturbs the lore: so… Maui can see the future now?? what’s going on?? i would really just rather him saying something wildly anachronistic and leaving it at that. this is much more confusing
Yeah. At least the kids at the theater were giggling and physically dancing along to Scuttlebutt. That’s why I’ve never hated that song like everyone else. The song was obviously for kids and it succeeded in getting their attention.
@@Sharpe1502 Yepp i didn't like Scuttlebutt, but i can accept that it wasn't written for my demographic. It was for kids. My little sister loved that song a lot
@Sharpe1502 scuttlebutt is for ipad kids. parents are so worn out theyre willing to let their kids watch and listen to anything if it means they get some peace.
Stop, because I thought it was just my theater! The kids fell asleep yall. Almost all of them. My little siblings got so bored, they started playing tictactoe 😒I looked my mom dead in the eye like, "I knew we should've gone to watch Wicked."
Yep! “Legacy? What is a legacy? It’s planting seeds in garden you never get to see. I wrote some notes at the beginning of a song someone will sing for me, America, you great unfinished symphony you sent for me”
@@jonelrobinson582Yeah, seeing this again just reminds me that everyone started disliking him just because of hype aversion. He’s a lyrical genius whether people like it or not lol
Astor to LMM: “Perhaps I treated you too harshly” I’m one of those people who hasn’t ever hated Lin Manuel Miranda, even when we were all over-exposed to him. I’m a sucker for actually good rhymes (slant or regular) and motifs, which is why Hamilton is probably the best stage musical I’ve ever seen (though Heathers my beloved will always be my favorite), so It’s just getting annoying when everyone’s trying to imitate his style and failing miserably. I’d rather have a weird individual style of music for a Disney film than the poor man’s Lin Manuel Miranda
I was a diehard Hamilton fan. The rhymes are catchy, and it always keeps my ear listening. I knew the second he wouldn’t return. This was about to be garbage.
yeah, im 16 and remember being obsessed with hamilton for the few years after it came out. i go back to it every now and then and as ive grown ive gleaned more and more about lmm’s incredible lyricism and composition. genuinely theres nothing like it
Same! I been recently watching Hamilton and the way the lyrics all fit together to create motifs and callbacks to previous songs and having songs for the characters, having details(Heck even finding new details I didn’t even pick up on) and of course the characters all being cool and complex in their own ways is just amazing!
minor spoilers for throwaway dialogue the “level up” line isn’t even the most anachronistic line in the movie. Maui jokes at one point that the call of the ancestors may have been a butt dial, then laughs and says they’ll understand that joke in 2000 years. audibly groaned in my seat
Am I the only one who cringed at the fast word runs in this song? Like, you can actively hear The Rock struggle to keep up the tempo. Man is NOT Eminem, that’s for sure.
It's possible they asked him to return and he said "no" or was too busy (working on live-action "Moana" and "Mufasa"). Either way, B&B didn't have as much time as him to write the songs; they started working only a year ago, in contrast to Lin, who had 3 years.
@@OpticalSorcerer True, I also add that these songs don't really sound like anything B&B have done before. It's very likely disney just told them "do these song in the style of the first, like Lin Manuel Miranda" and that threw them off, because they soud veeeery copycat-y
@@valsoop Lin also sent them a book on songwriting, so that's possible! Plus since it was originally a show, they probably weren't given as much pressure/time to polish it. "Beyond" is the strongest song to me. While not as good as the first film (and loses the sequel battle against "Frozen 2" for me), it's much better than "Wish," so...Disney is improving? "Zootopia 2" and their original 2026 film will be the true tests to see.
@@OpticalSorcerer Zootopia is getting a sequel? That's strange, it did not seem like good sequel material. I sure hope it's good and lives up to the original...
@@CoolScratcher It's Disney's (not Pixar's or other related company's) second film to hit $1 billion, so it's not surprising, especially when "Frozen 2" made more money than the first. They have Jared Bush returning to write the script and Byron Howard returning to co-direct with him. As long as it keeps the deep messages, it should do great--then again, corporate has been making poor decisions and micromanaging their creatives lately... Oh, and we're also getting a Frozen 3 in 2027.
Look, I’ve been an LMM truther since In the Heights first hit the scene in 2005, and I’m just gonna say it: the hate this man gets from certain corners of the internet is wild to me. Lin gets flack from Disney adults and the “Broadway purist” crowd because his songs don’t sound like traditional show tunes. But, like, that’s the whole point. He made Broadway relevant to a whole new audience by proving that modern, contemporary music could work on stage. I mean, just listen to his best work, and you’ll feel it. When he nails it, you understand why he’s the face of a literal musical renaissance. Take Hamilton. Yeah, everyone talks about Alexander Hamilton’s big moments, but for me, it’s all about Aaron Burr. He’s arguably the most well-written character in the show, and the way Lin slowly switches his persona with Hamilton’s over the course of the story? Chef’s kiss. Burr starts as careful and reserved, and by the end, he’s impulsive, reckless-he becomes Hamilton. That’s storytelling on another level. Honestly, Burr is what modern Disney villains should be-nuanced, complex, relatable. But instead, Disney keeps giving us these quirky, “actually, I’m not really evil” types who barely leave an impression. And yeah, I’m looking at “The Scuttlebutt.” Is it a bad song? Sure, but at least people remember it. Imagine if that song had been Scuttle’s introduction instead of a weird throwaway number at the end. It could’ve worked! And let’s be real, you’ll forget every song from Wish before you forget The Scuttlebutt. Lin knows how musicals work because he grew up surrounded by them. He literally went to school with Robert Lopez (yes, Frozen and Book of Mormon Robert Lopez) and was already meeting legends like Alan Menken as a kid. He gets what makes a musical stick in your head. And yes, I know he gets memed into oblivion. But the thing is, memes only happen because he’s everywhere. His music is everywhere. And it’s good. You don’t hit No. 1 on the Billboard charts with a Disney song (cough “We Don’t Talk About Bruno” cough) unless you’re doing something right. Also, if you’re here and you haven’t listened to his new concept album, The Warriors, stop reading this comment and go stream it. It's not only incredibly innovative but a fantastic musical soundtrack that blends multiple genres together to tell one cohesive story. TL;DR: I have my front row tickets to the LMM Renaissance tour and I'm happy that wish and Moana exist to remind people of why the man's skill with a quill is on matched when he's on game time.
I mean the man's work speaks for itself so I never understood where the hate for LMM was coming from in the first place. Especially because the criticism was just "he's annoying" "everything he writes sounds the same". I think he is just an unfortunate victim of overexposure and that strange phenomenon where people are okay with you until you hit a certain level of popular and then suddenly, everyone has turned on you at the drop of a hat.
On what you've said about him making Broadway relevant to a new crowd, I can relate. You've been a LMM truther, conversely, I've been a hip hop truther. Decided to finally check out Hamilton last year because I heard good things from other rap fans (and Eminem, an acclaimed lyricist and top tier rapper, likes it) and now I've fallen in love with the stage musical. Up till now, I've only ever enjoyed movie musicals. Out of curiousity, are there any stage musicals you'd recommend? I have In the Heights on my list for sure!
@ayyyylmaoooo3580 I think part of it is disgruntlement from just how successful his music is sort of like the same reason people hate it let it go and that caused them to hate Frozen. Now people are waking up and seeing that yes, the man skill with the quill is why he is popular. It really does make the nitpicks I've seen of Encanto feel pretty minuscule
Me too! I'm a theater kid who has never done theater. So I have no clue how musicals actually work. I know I like them, but now it feels like I do understand why some choices work and some don't. This is a great channel!
Same. I've been into musical theater ever since I was a kid, but this is the first time I've attained a genuine knowledge of songwriting. I hope one day I get to write a song for one of my film escapades lol. I've always wanted to write and direct a movie musical.
Try it! I mean that. It'll be tricky and probably not very good the first time but that's okay. You'll find out if you like it or not. If you do, keep pursuing it. You might make something incredible.
I HATED the Lin-Manuel Miranda hate. It was so trendy a couple years back. The Internet collectively decided that Miranda wasn't just over-exposed...no he was the cringelord coming of the musical apocalypse. All for his horrible "crimes" of being awkwardly sincere and writing catchy tunes. Yeah, Scuttlebutt sucked. But he gave us so many bangers. Now Disney is chucking him out and bringing in pop writers/AI-sounding stuff.
Lyrically I agree with everything you said - but even musically in the theatre the instrumentation sounded really empty. I wonder if Bear got to do her own arrangements or if someone else butchered what she wrote in this regard. I couldn’t figure out anything about this in terms of whether they had an arranger who would have given the movie a more theatre sound or if it was more pop producers like for the end credit song. It all sounds very pop music-ish
That’s so bizarre. The sound balance was really off in our theatre so I’ll have to listen to the soundtrack (like it sounded like the singers were just singing on top of very low karaoke tracks) but I wonder if that means these pop-ish style sounds are an executive note. Like “we don’t want it to sound broadway, we want TikTok” and somehow this happened on purpose 😭 I did go see the movie and the only song with powerful orchestration was the reprise of the song from the *first movie*. Just strange…
Babe wake up, the Queen of the Monkey's Paw just dropped. [Edit] Yeah this just *sounds* like some last minute shit once they decided to change this from a show to a movie. They probably gave them the same Julia Michaels timeline too.
The video that got you more attention ended with you saying we were safe because Wish didn't have Lin Manuel Miranda. Now that both Wish _and_ Moana 2 had disappointing soundtracks, you're literally begging him to come back. True poetry.
I would've LOVED if this somg was a longer, gradual number, going from Moana's loss and anguish over Moni almost dying to Maui energizing the song. Pretty much a sequel to "I am Moana (Song of the Ancestors)."
Honestly I wonder why they didn’t just repurpose the scrapped song “Warrior Face”…? It functions relatively the same way this song was attempting to, except far more concise and actually has a catchy hook. Both songs designed for Maui giving Moana some motivational words/encouraging pep talk. Only main distinction being Warrior Face was him teaching Moana how to scare the monsters and here it’s more like a vague “you can do it because you’re capable and I believe in you cheehoo”. I know it’s not typical for studios to revive scrapped songs (especially when it’s already in public perception) but I think I’d genuinely prefer being able to see that song given a second chance on the big screen then uh…well whatever cheehoo was trying to go for
THANK YOU!!! I don’t plan on seeing this film, but hearing this be a motivational song for Moana really just made me go “okay didnt we already have that at some point” it’s a shame that they didn’t repurpose it :///
This feels like the songwriter knew too little about what the movie wanted the characters to do to really write a meaningful song. It lacks coherence. And... for a movie where the cultural theme should also be a big part, considering they used Chee-hoo, I feel it should sound different...? Less modern pop and more traditional, more characteristic Maori?
With the way they cobbled this movie together out of 3 preanimated episodes, I bet there were scheduling conflicts that prevented him from doing it or maybe he outright just said no. Like, Lin Manuel being able to change a major character's name in Encanto just to make it fit a song better goes to show just how early & close he was working with the production in that film, and it was probably a similar situation for the original Moana. Maybe he knew he didn't want to deal with this rushed disaster. just my baseless speculation lol. I really enjoyed the breakdown on the lyrics! & have you ever talked about any of the songs from hadestown? I'm so curious to hear your thoughts (if you haven't please do, I love it sm)
In case of Encanto. He was there from very beginning. He was part of the first meetings with white boards and throwing ideas for a movie. That's why it's works so well musicaly. Songwriter was one of the people who helped to create a story!
@@olakeska7908seconding this! Disney originally wanted to shrink the size of the family in encanto it was lin who said no i can introduce all 12 of them in a song we need to have 12! so the first song he wrote for the movie was “the family madrigal” and that convinced them to keep all the characters!
Love all your observations, but I will add one thing. The CHEEEE HOOOO is not just a phrase of words, the way it's said is very important. The only way to say CHEEEE HOOOO is with that very specific inflection. The way the Rock does it in the song. To sing it properly would be frankly ridiculous and it would lose it's meaning without that accompanying inflection. So, that would be my argument to your point of it sounding unpleasant to the ear. There was really no other way the Rock could've delivered that line. - Sincerely, a Samoan who thoroughly enjoyed the video
Thank you for your input. I actually did think about it, and I decided that, to me, it just doesn't have a place as a refrain in a song because of its nature. I wouldn't put, for example, YIPPEE in its place in any other song for the same reason. Songwriting is fickle like that.
as a (non-native) Hawaiian this was the only part of the video that I totally disagreed with. The cheeehooo is like the only decent part of the song lol
It's an interesting detail. There's a bit of a weird line it's walking where delivering the right sound and inflection for authenticity makes it tricky/impossible to work into a song like this one as the refrain or to close the Chorus. Not to say there aren't ways to integrate it but I don't think the Production staff on the musical element had the time to workshop a harmonious use.
Oh, as soon as I heard this one I wanted you to tear it apart, Astor. I am fascinated with Disney's music choices lately - yes, they had LMM for The Little Mermaid, but Wish and now Moana 2 have not been the hits they should have been. I'm not saying they're not going to be popular, but they're not going to be You're Welcome or We Don't Talk About Bruno either. I am so curious as to what they plan for Mufasa, Snow White, and Lilo & Stitch - especially because I think Snow White in the trailer is singing a new song, I believe. They're clearly trying to find their new sound and songwriters, but they're not giving any of them the time they deserve to create iconic songs again - lord knows how long Barlow and Bear had to create these songs, especially knowing the timeline of this movie's announcement to final product was ridiculously short.
Lin's lyrics always sound so labored but god he is proving with his absence that it sounds labored because it requires a LOT of labor to make those rhymes and turns of phrase work.
I don't comment that much, but I absolutely love your channel. Because of my autism and being raised trilingual, I struggle to grasp a lot of things if they aren't explained in a very specific way. For so many years I thought music, especially lyric writing, was something I could never do, which broke my heart because I absolutely love music. The way you break down and explain everything is so clear and easy to understand for me. So thank you! Thank you so much for publishing such well made and concise videos for free 😊 God loves you!!! ❤
You said exactly why that song is so bad, and put it into words when I was just "feeling" it was horrible. I'll be honest, after the "Come on-a, Moana" I kinda stopped listening when I first came across that song because it's the whole "I'm a star here I are!" thing again and I don't have the mental fortitude for another round honestly
I don’t know anything about lyricism, and yet I still find this song jarring. It kinda sounds like the decided to make Dwayne rhyme on the spot and then threw it into the movie without much thought, this song would be genuinely grating to the ears Also, why didn’t you like Lin Manual?
Alright. I’m sorry, Lin. Also, is it me or have I noticed that after 8-10 years the Rock's singing is kind of grating without Lin or somebody experienced there to hold him down? Case in point, this song.
i thought i was going insane cause i didnt see any comments about the rock's singing. it's absolutely horrid and its driving me up a wall why did they let him do all that
If Disney does anymore Moana films/tv series/mini series I think Maui shouldn’t get anymore songs because the Rocks singing isn’t good now. It was good in Moana 1 with your welcome but in Moana 2 his singing sounds grating. Edit: or unless Maui gets a new voice actor because the rock doesn’t need to be singing no more.
I'm listening to lots of Wicked recently for obvious reasons and MY GOD videos/songs like this make me appreciate the lyrics so much more when compared to other recent movie musicals. I mean that seriously too because of the way you analyze lyrics and music. Also you gotta drop those 2014 fan songs.
This summer I was at an amusement park, and on one ride the person next to me kept screaming "CHEE HOOO" at the top of her lungs, to the point where the volume was physically painful. This song brings back that memory. The lyrics here feel like... like, I don't have the proper song terms for it, but the 'cadence' is off. It sounds like the person writing the lyrics couldn't match the time it takes to pronounce a syllable to the timing of the music, and like the singer was given so little time for familiarity/practice that he couldn't naturally follow the beat with his words.
@@thevioletbee5879 you have to be careful with that stuff, because he has a strong Nicaraguan accent. That can easily swing into unfortunate implications
People might have mixed feelings about LMM. But I wont deny that he is really good with rhyme, connecting lyrics into each other and so on. I actually was made fully away of him in the first Moana movie. Then I found out he was the creator of ‘In The Heights’ and I absolutely loved the music in there.
I cannot pick which one of these sins is the most upsetting to me 😭 I agree with what you say at the end, though, obviously the ones who should really be held accountable are the Disney higher-ups who rush things through with no development
1:45 Disney is f**ing up their new film's songs that they are making ppl reconsider and apologize to Lin' Manuel. Srs, how bad can you make something that ppl look back and miss what they didn't liked in the first place?
Sometimes it takes people not appreciating what they had to realize what they've lost. We humans spend so much time in our houses with electricity that when a hurricane knocks it out we see how much we needed it.
I felt like the synth solo felt pretty odd for Moana- it would be fine if it was a more modern setting, but it was very jarring when I first heard it. Anyway, good commentary! Idk if I’ll actually watch Moana 2 in theaters lol it’s probably not worth it
You make me appreciate rhyme and meter so much and i hope you know that. i'm a Literature Student who's always struggled with both but your criticism and analysis has helped me so much to help me deeply appreciate the art form and the ability to hear and understand them!!
i liked the idea of maui hyping up moana compared to how he hyped himself up in the last movie. but for an inspirational song, the melody didn't pump me up,
Agreed. This could have been so much better. Moana 2 wasn't bad as people keep saying. Yes, it's faster and not as developed but still good. I wish they would have developed the side characters better. As well as the villains.
@@sarahprince2412I second this. For me I wish Disney would still do a tv series/mini series for Moana instead of making more films in Moana’s world. I feel like that way there would be more time to flesh out the 3 side characters and the villains as opposed to a movie runtime.
you brought up lin manuel miranda a lot in your vids and it made me think i knew him from somewhere and i could not remember where. just the other day i finally remembered that my first exposure to him was when he was in the cast of regulars in the electric company. my favorites were "hard and soft g" and "silent e is a ninja" lmao
6:26 many rhyme ideas (idk which one would make more sense lyrically) because a random person can come up with more ideas than disney apparently: “come on-a, moana shake off your cuffs” “come on-a, moana, it ain’t that tough” / “come on-a, moana, i know it’s tough” / “come on-a, moana, ya gotta be tough”
...That bullying Storm God ... skips leg day ... for real. The line "skips leg day for real" is in a Disney movie. If you need me, I'll be in my bed, crying.
i went to watch moana 2 with my best friend. we were both pretty excited about it, simply cuz of nostalgia, but agreed the first one was a hundred times better. this song and 'get lost' were our favorites, but when i got home, eager to look them up in english (we're hispanic, so it was spanish dub on the cinema), this song specifically sounded really weird and i just couldn't enjoy it in english lmao. thank you! now i know why. the song in spanish isn't winning any awards soon, either, but it was a dozen times better and much more enjoyable than the english version, at least lol.
Lyricists do best when they are part of creating the music and lyrical world. New songs for old worlds rarely succeed without the original creators directly incolved.
4:40 ... i think the optics of being a white woman saying "if someone said this ethnic phrase to me while having polynesian features i'd be afraid" may have been missed
C'mon man you're reaching just to call her racist, Maui is not just a guy with Polynesian features, he's tall, big and clearly strong, which would make him intimidating
yeah ngl, i felt weird about that whole part knowing it’s a cultural expression of joy and not really meant to be intimidating… immediately went to the comments when i heard it and im glad im not alone in my thinking
Hey Astor, absolutely love your analysis of all these songs and the way you put criticism into words. I was wondering if you would ever analyze any of the songs from epic the musical? There’s some pretty great songs in it, but I want to know your thoughts on it because it does mix the pop style with traditional musical styles while still (at least seemingly) sounding great
I feel like this song exemplifies the problem with the whole movie. On the surface, it’s fine. Maybe a few glaring issues, but still mildly enjoyable to listen to because of the beat, but when you start digging, you realize just how.. not well put together it is. I’m very scared of what this movie is going to mean for the future of Disney. I will say however that I do not blame the songwriter at all. They’re clearly still learning, and have some skill here. A Disney TV Show is the absolute perfect place to get started, it’s a place to mess up. You can’t tell me that every tangled series or phineas and ferb song was perfect. I think they did the best they had with the skills they do, and wholly put blame on Disney here.
Commenting this before I watch the video, I wanna say I’m no music expert so I’m not really suited to pick up on issues in the rhyme structure and progression of the song, but in spite of this when I listened to it I physically recoiled at the pacing of “you know I don’t come to play, come to play”, it genuinely sounds like it was recorded off beat with the instrumental. Hoping I wasn’t the only one bothered by that specific line. Edit: surprised the timing wasn’t brought up but the rhyming is definitely a lot more noticeable listening a second time. Maybe I really am the only one bothered by the speed idk lol
It's a repackaged TV show that Disney decided not to do partway through, so they converted what they had into a movie. Because we all loved that part of the 90s, right? 😑 So anyway, at least having heard that, I had no real expectations left to be dashed by the songs.
LMM hasn't actually left, they're just seemingly exclusively putting him on live action remakes. He's doing the music for the Mufasa movie and supposed to come back for the live action Moana. And, you know, that kind of makes me nervous about what their priorities for movies will be in the future. Especially with putting a TV budget, outsourced animated movie on the big screens 🫤
He actually had to be exclusively asked by Barry Jenkins to do mufasa since originally I don't think it was going to be a musical. The remake will have them just because it's based off of the original
Can you review the "Over the Garden Wall" soundtrack? I think it's the best soundtrack I heard in animation so far (and yes, I watch Disney Hunchback of Notre Dame) and I really wanna hear your opinion on it.
lol I've been obsessed with that soundtrack since my halloween rewatch of it! Yeah it's an interesting one because a lot of the songs are in universe, but I still don't think of it as a musical. I do love me some americana/folk music.
I agree with this one though.Can I get a Chee hoo was worse than Im a star in my opinion. Yes I know it has worse lyrics but atleast it felt important to the story and tells us that were all made of star dusts and thats why we wish upon stars. This song though... Especially in german, this song sounded like a pop song, and the Sanger didn't gave me musical vibes at all. The only songs I like from Moana 2 are Were back and Beyond. Thats it. But the rest of the movie was good in my opinion. I definitely had a fun time at the theatres.
Those songs are the reason I'm glad I'm not English, the French song sounds much better which was also the case with wish (as far as you can save it). Its nice the translation team actually tries to give us good songs
Yet another case of "I wished I didnt had to judge a TV show's soundtrack the way I have to hold the soundtrack of an official Disney theatrical feature film soundtrack to a warranted high standard" but here we are 🤷♀️
I’m just hearing this song for the first time. Wow this is just a bland nothing song compared to You’re Welcome”. I’m not a hufe fan of slanting rhimes that are used too often but at least Lin did it fairly well. But more importantly if you just hum the song it’s not very good. You’re Welcome is catchy and you can hum it all day.
I will say about "level up" Maui in both Moana and Moana 2 has some level of precognition about future tech things. He says "when you write with a bird, it's called a tweet" in the first one and "are you sure it wasn't a butt dial... That'll make sense in like 2000 years" in the second one. So that one nitpick is without merit as the character probably knows what level up means if he knows what a butt dial is.
Also I do like the idea of "can I get a chee hoo" even if the sounds are a bit unnatural in a song because it's basically a battle cry and he's trying to inspire Moana to use it. The phrase is used several times through the movie by several characters in moments of celebration or when they're about to fight. It sounds the same in and out of the song, so I don't mind a bit of dissonance. But the execution is where it falls apart. "Come on a, Moana" is a ridiculous thing to say and I do not support it.
Astor a year ago: Can we get someone else besides Lin Manuel Miranda?
Cursed monkey's paw: *curls one finger*
I love this joke SO MUCH.
*Apollo readies his dodgeball...*
Disney continues their quest to make Astor apologize to Lin-Manuel Miranda
At this point, I'm going to forgive him for rhyming mine with smile
I'm not up to date with Lin, but what happened to him? Didn't he wrote How Far I Go and Hamilton musical?
@valhatan3907 He wrote a rubbish song for little mermaid live action and people have just been kinda roasting him since.
@@Dr_Whovian yeah, that and evidently he was omnipresent thanks to Hamilton blowing up and people use that as an excuse to try to derail them.
In the process, people forgot that he is omnipresent because he's good at what he does even if he doesn't always hit, you still remember his stuff
Astor to Lin-Manuel
“Perhaps I judged you to harshly.”
The whole arc of Astor disliking LMM, beginning to dislike others mimicking him, to begging him to come back is amazing
This should be the plot of the next Disney musical
@@TheDiamondCore I can already imagine the I Want song
@@TheDiamondCorethe hero songs are written by LMM and the villain songs are written by his imitators
@@koiloyloI actually want it to be in reverse 😆 with LMM as the redeemable villain
I’d watch it
Astor is having her Thanos "Perhaps I treated you too harshly" moment with Lin Manuel 😅
“I’ll give him this…his financial system was a work of genius. I couldn’t undo it if I tried. And…I tried.” ahh video
Oh Lin-Manuel, how we’ve taken you for granted.
@@lakegroce685 I always knew this was going to happen eventually.
Even the his song from mufasa that we've heard does a solid job of retroactively explaining who scar is as a character
The insane missed opportunigy to have him go "go on-a, Moana" instead of "come on-a, Moana" hurts me every time
this just reminds me of a goanna lol
I AGREE SO MUCH! THAT COULD'VE WORED!
Yeah, I knew once I found out Lin Manuel Miranda wasn’t returning for the soundtrack, it was gonna be mediocre. You have Lin Manuel Miranda: a very accomplished, professional, critically acclaimed musical theatre writer and composer. When you take someone with those kinds of accolades and replace him with two TikTokers who wrote the unofficial fanmade bridgerton musical, their work is going to pale in comparison. This is like when Disney hired a pop artist to write the music for Wish.
Julia's credentials wasn't the issue; Disney not sharing much AT ALL during production was the issue. Dhe herself said Disney gave her very little to go on. And Lin (who was working on "Hamilton" at the time) had 3 years to craft the music; B&B only had 1 year.
Edit: Apparently B&B have been working on "Moana" as a tv series since at least 2022 according to Lin, but having to rapidly go from show to a film in less than a year is a massive middle finger when trying to work out the kinks and adapt it properly.
TIKTOKER????😂
THE WRITERS DID WHAT ?
@OpticalSorcerer B&B’s credentials were definitely an issue. The bridgerton musical only got as big as it did because its based on bridgerton. The music from what is considered their “best work” is average at best and nowhere as good as Lin Manuel’s. Even if you gave them three years, the music would probably still be mediocre. Also, these two hacks tried to make money off an IP they don’t own and even rejected Netflix’s offer of making their musical legit because they knew they’d make more money selling concert tickets. The fact that disney hired them goes to show how absolutely sad and pathetic disney and become.
@@hkd8227 I've heard here and thete, but I don't know them expertly. Disney probably just thought "they're young and on the rise"; while Lin did have a lot of experience, he hadn't created "Hamilton" when Disney approached him for "Moana" (which one may argue is his magnum opus, but IDK about that and "In the Heights," which had came out by then). Disney approachrd Lin wanting to make a pop-meets-Broadway sound, and I really hope they work with Lucy Moss and Toby Marrow in the future for that purpose (and give them space).
There's no way any of us can say whether the quality of B&B's music would be better or worse for the film, but it would've been a better opportunity and standard procedure for a movie's production vs a tv show turned film.
On the subject of anacronisms, I was miffed at 'up your sleeve', since I don't recall any of the characters in the films wearing sleeves.
totally agree, that has stuck out like a sore thumb every time i’ve listened to it
Now that you’ve mentioned it I can’t stop thinking about it
not to play devil's advocate for this movie but tamatoa's ''look it up'' and ''what a terrible performance get the hook'' in the first movie are also ananchronisms
I think that's just something you noticed lmao
please someone tell me whether this is on the original or not:
i watched it in spanish here in mexico, and there’s a point (i believe it’s towards the end of the movie) when Maui says something along the lines of “[someone] got the wrong number”, and then nobody got it and he said something like “this will make sense in a few hundred years” or something.
and i get it that they were trying to be quirky or whatever, but it really grinds my gears. it annoys me to no end. and not only because it feels incredibly out of place, but because it disturbs the lore: so… Maui can see the future now?? what’s going on?? i would really just rather him saying something wildly anachronistic and leaving it at that. this is much more confusing
Listening to this song in a packed theater and NONE of the kids in the audience reacting….Disney, what have you DONE
Yeah. At least the kids at the theater were giggling and physically dancing along to Scuttlebutt. That’s why I’ve never hated that song like everyone else. The song was obviously for kids and it succeeded in getting their attention.
@@Sharpe1502 Yepp i didn't like Scuttlebutt, but i can accept that it wasn't written for my demographic. It was for kids. My little sister loved that song a lot
@Sharpe1502 scuttlebutt is for ipad kids. parents are so worn out theyre willing to let their kids watch and listen to anything if it means they get some peace.
Stop, because I thought it was just my theater! The kids fell asleep yall. Almost all of them. My little siblings got so bored, they started playing tictactoe 😒I looked my mom dead in the eye like, "I knew we should've gone to watch Wicked."
@@hkd8227 oh god please don't pull up the iPad kid debate I can't handle it anymore I'm gonna combust
3:04 yeah, Lin made an entire song- no wait, an entire musical about the definition of that word
Yep! “Legacy? What is a legacy? It’s planting seeds in garden you never get to see. I wrote some notes at the beginning of a song someone will sing for me, America, you great unfinished symphony you sent for me”
@@jonelrobinson582 You helped me make a difference a place where even orphan immigrants can rise up
@@jonelrobinson582Yeah, seeing this again just reminds me that everyone started disliking him just because of hype aversion. He’s a lyrical genius whether people like it or not lol
I’m so happy people are finally appreciating Lin Manuel’s lyrical genius. Oh Lin, they never made me hate you
Astor to LMM: “Perhaps I treated you too harshly”
I’m one of those people who hasn’t ever hated Lin Manuel Miranda, even when we were all over-exposed to him. I’m a sucker for actually good rhymes (slant or regular) and motifs, which is why Hamilton is probably the best stage musical I’ve ever seen (though Heathers my beloved will always be my favorite), so It’s just getting annoying when everyone’s trying to imitate his style and failing miserably.
I’d rather have a weird individual style of music for a Disney film than the poor man’s Lin Manuel Miranda
Same!! Lin's genius lyrics is what made me really love his music! Plus the motifs are amazingly done
I'm also a loyal LMM fan. I knew people would regret dunking on him so much
I was a diehard Hamilton fan. The rhymes are catchy, and it always keeps my ear listening. I knew the second he wouldn’t return. This was about to be garbage.
yeah, im 16 and remember being obsessed with hamilton for the few years after it came out. i go back to it every now and then and as ive grown ive gleaned more and more about lmm’s incredible lyricism and composition. genuinely theres nothing like it
Same! I been recently watching Hamilton and the way the lyrics all fit together to create motifs and callbacks to previous songs and having songs for the characters, having details(Heck even finding new details I didn’t even pick up on) and of course the characters all being cool and complex in their own ways is just amazing!
Lin we're sorry for bullying you over the scuttlebutt now get back in the studio
minor spoilers for throwaway dialogue
the “level up” line isn’t even the most anachronistic line in the movie. Maui jokes at one point that the call of the ancestors may have been a butt dial, then laughs and says they’ll understand that joke in 2000 years. audibly groaned in my seat
I cringed just reading it...
I'm mostly just shocked that Moana apparently takes places in the year zero
When I first heard that line I was just thinking of the implications that Maui is aware of events 2000 years in the future
maui makes a lame twitter joke in the first movie though so
I don't get it ,💀
Am I the only one who cringed at the fast word runs in this song? Like, you can actively hear The Rock struggle to keep up the tempo. Man is NOT Eminem, that’s for sure.
Everyone owes Lin Manuel Miranda an APOLOGY!!
It's possible they asked him to return and he said "no" or was too busy (working on live-action "Moana" and "Mufasa"). Either way, B&B didn't have as much time as him to write the songs; they started working only a year ago, in contrast to Lin, who had 3 years.
@@OpticalSorcerer True, I also add that these songs don't really sound like anything B&B have done before. It's very likely disney just told them "do these song in the style of the first, like Lin Manuel Miranda" and that threw them off, because they soud veeeery copycat-y
@@valsoop Lin also sent them a book on songwriting, so that's possible! Plus since it was originally a show, they probably weren't given as much pressure/time to polish it. "Beyond" is the strongest song to me. While not as good as the first film (and loses the sequel battle against "Frozen 2" for me), it's much better than "Wish," so...Disney is improving? "Zootopia 2" and their original 2026 film will be the true tests to see.
@@OpticalSorcerer Zootopia is getting a sequel? That's strange, it did not seem like good sequel material. I sure hope it's good and lives up to the original...
@@CoolScratcher It's Disney's (not Pixar's or other related company's) second film to hit $1 billion, so it's not surprising, especially when "Frozen 2" made more money than the first. They have Jared Bush returning to write the script and Byron Howard returning to co-direct with him. As long as it keeps the deep messages, it should do great--then again, corporate has been making poor decisions and micromanaging their creatives lately...
Oh, and we're also getting a Frozen 3 in 2027.
Look, I’ve been an LMM truther since In the Heights first hit the scene in 2005, and I’m just gonna say it: the hate this man gets from certain corners of the internet is wild to me.
Lin gets flack from Disney adults and the “Broadway purist” crowd because his songs don’t sound like traditional show tunes. But, like, that’s the whole point. He made Broadway relevant to a whole new audience by proving that modern, contemporary music could work on stage. I mean, just listen to his best work, and you’ll feel it. When he nails it, you understand why he’s the face of a literal musical renaissance.
Take Hamilton. Yeah, everyone talks about Alexander Hamilton’s big moments, but for me, it’s all about Aaron Burr. He’s arguably the most well-written character in the show, and the way Lin slowly switches his persona with Hamilton’s over the course of the story? Chef’s kiss. Burr starts as careful and reserved, and by the end, he’s impulsive, reckless-he becomes Hamilton. That’s storytelling on another level.
Honestly, Burr is what modern Disney villains should be-nuanced, complex, relatable. But instead, Disney keeps giving us these quirky, “actually, I’m not really evil” types who barely leave an impression. And yeah, I’m looking at “The Scuttlebutt.” Is it a bad song? Sure, but at least people remember it. Imagine if that song had been Scuttle’s introduction instead of a weird throwaway number at the end. It could’ve worked! And let’s be real, you’ll forget every song from Wish before you forget The Scuttlebutt.
Lin knows how musicals work because he grew up surrounded by them. He literally went to school with Robert Lopez (yes, Frozen and Book of Mormon Robert Lopez) and was already meeting legends like Alan Menken as a kid. He gets what makes a musical stick in your head.
And yes, I know he gets memed into oblivion. But the thing is, memes only happen because he’s everywhere. His music is everywhere. And it’s good. You don’t hit No. 1 on the Billboard charts with a Disney song (cough “We Don’t Talk About Bruno” cough) unless you’re doing something right.
Also, if you’re here and you haven’t listened to his new concept album, The Warriors, stop reading this comment and go stream it. It's not only incredibly innovative but a fantastic musical soundtrack that blends multiple genres together to tell one cohesive story.
TL;DR: I have my front row tickets to the LMM Renaissance tour and I'm happy that wish and Moana exist to remind people of why the man's skill with a quill is on matched when he's on game time.
I mean the man's work speaks for itself so I never understood where the hate for LMM was coming from in the first place. Especially because the criticism was just "he's annoying" "everything he writes sounds the same". I think he is just an unfortunate victim of overexposure and that strange phenomenon where people are okay with you until you hit a certain level of popular and then suddenly, everyone has turned on you at the drop of a hat.
On what you've said about him making Broadway relevant to a new crowd, I can relate. You've been a LMM truther, conversely, I've been a hip hop truther. Decided to finally check out Hamilton last year because I heard good things from other rap fans (and Eminem, an acclaimed lyricist and top tier rapper, likes it) and now I've fallen in love with the stage musical. Up till now, I've only ever enjoyed movie musicals.
Out of curiousity, are there any stage musicals you'd recommend? I have In the Heights on my list for sure!
@CoolScratcher recommend the Warriors concept album hip hop Legends like Lauryn Hill and the Wu-Tang clan, what it is so good lyrically
@ayyyylmaoooo3580 I think part of it is disgruntlement from just how successful his music is sort of like the same reason people hate it let it go and that caused them to hate Frozen.
Now people are waking up and seeing that yes, the man skill with the quill is why he is popular.
It really does make the nitpicks I've seen of Encanto feel pretty minuscule
Also Lin can write more traditional theater songs, just look at How Far I’ll Go
Now that Lin Manuel is your best friend you can finally make a video about why “Shiny” rules!
YES
Schaffrillas will be delighted
astor doesn't like shiny iirc
I’m literally so obsessed with your channel I don’t know dick about songwriting but listening to you makes me think I can actually write a song
Me too! I'm a theater kid who has never done theater. So I have no clue how musicals actually work. I know I like them, but now it feels like I do understand why some choices work and some don't. This is a great channel!
Same. I've been into musical theater ever since I was a kid, but this is the first time I've attained a genuine knowledge of songwriting. I hope one day I get to write a song for one of my film escapades lol. I've always wanted to write and direct a movie musical.
Same
Try it! I mean that. It'll be tricky and probably not very good the first time but that's okay. You'll find out if you like it or not. If you do, keep pursuing it. You might make something incredible.
Bro this shit was broken down like it’s a science. I’m dumbfounded, flabbergasted even.
This era is becoming Disney's Anti-renaissance
I HATED the Lin-Manuel Miranda hate. It was so trendy a couple years back. The Internet collectively decided that Miranda wasn't just over-exposed...no he was the cringelord coming of the musical apocalypse. All for his horrible "crimes" of being awkwardly sincere and writing catchy tunes. Yeah, Scuttlebutt sucked. But he gave us so many bangers. Now Disney is chucking him out and bringing in pop writers/AI-sounding stuff.
Lyrically I agree with everything you said - but even musically in the theatre the instrumentation sounded really empty. I wonder if Bear got to do her own arrangements or if someone else butchered what she wrote in this regard. I couldn’t figure out anything about this in terms of whether they had an arranger who would have given the movie a more theatre sound or if it was more pop producers like for the end credit song. It all sounds very pop music-ish
It seems like the arrangers are the same as Moana 1. Make of that what you will.
That’s so bizarre. The sound balance was really off in our theatre so I’ll have to listen to the soundtrack (like it sounded like the singers were just singing on top of very low karaoke tracks) but I wonder if that means these pop-ish style sounds are an executive note. Like “we don’t want it to sound broadway, we want TikTok” and somehow this happened on purpose 😭 I did go see the movie and the only song with powerful orchestration was the reprise of the song from the *first movie*. Just strange…
The Internet does owe Lin Manuel Miranda an apology fr at least he knows what he's doing
50% of the reason people hate Scuttlebutt is because of Akwafina's vocal nodules let's be real 😅
Babe wake up, the Queen of the Monkey's Paw just dropped.
[Edit] Yeah this just *sounds* like some last minute shit once they decided to change this from a show to a movie. They probably gave them the same Julia Michaels timeline too.
I think it just really sounds like they’re writing for dwayne, not maui whereas you’re welcome felt so fitting with maui as a character
I would like the sleeve line in any other song, but NONE OF THESE CHARACTERS HAVE SLEEVES.
The video that got you more attention ended with you saying we were safe because Wish didn't have Lin Manuel Miranda. Now that both Wish _and_ Moana 2 had disappointing soundtracks, you're literally begging him to come back. True poetry.
I would've LOVED if this somg was a longer, gradual number, going from Moana's loss and anguish over Moni almost dying to Maui energizing the song. Pretty much a sequel to "I am Moana (Song of the Ancestors)."
Honestly I wonder why they didn’t just repurpose the scrapped song “Warrior Face”…? It functions relatively the same way this song was attempting to, except far more concise and actually has a catchy hook. Both songs designed for Maui giving Moana some motivational words/encouraging pep talk. Only main distinction being Warrior Face was him teaching Moana how to scare the monsters and here it’s more like a vague “you can do it because you’re capable and I believe in you cheehoo”. I know it’s not typical for studios to revive scrapped songs (especially when it’s already in public perception) but I think I’d genuinely prefer being able to see that song given a second chance on the big screen then uh…well whatever cheehoo was trying to go for
THANK YOU!!! I don’t plan on seeing this film, but hearing this be a motivational song for Moana really just made me go “okay didnt we already have that at some point” it’s a shame that they didn’t repurpose it :///
This feels like the songwriter knew too little about what the movie wanted the characters to do to really write a meaningful song. It lacks coherence.
And... for a movie where the cultural theme should also be a big part, considering they used Chee-hoo, I feel it should sound different...? Less modern pop and more traditional, more characteristic Maori?
To be fair, I don’t think even the directors and writers knew what they wanted the characters to do either
With the way they cobbled this movie together out of 3 preanimated episodes, I bet there were scheduling conflicts that prevented him from doing it or maybe he outright just said no. Like, Lin Manuel being able to change a major character's name in Encanto just to make it fit a song better goes to show just how early & close he was working with the production in that film, and it was probably a similar situation for the original Moana. Maybe he knew he didn't want to deal with this rushed disaster. just my baseless speculation lol. I really enjoyed the breakdown on the lyrics!
& have you ever talked about any of the songs from hadestown? I'm so curious to hear your thoughts
(if you haven't please do, I love it sm)
Fellow hadestown fan spotted!!
In case of Encanto. He was there from very beginning. He was part of the first meetings with white boards and throwing ideas for a movie. That's why it's works so well musicaly. Songwriter was one of the people who helped to create a story!
@@olakeska7908seconding this! Disney originally wanted to shrink the size of the family in encanto it was lin who said no i can introduce all 12 of them in a song we need to have 12! so the first song he wrote for the movie was “the family madrigal” and that convinced them to keep all the characters!
I was filled with dread the moment I realised lin wasn’t gonna be doing the songs for this movie
Love all your observations, but I will add one thing. The CHEEEE HOOOO is not just a phrase of words, the way it's said is very important. The only way to say CHEEEE HOOOO is with that very specific inflection. The way the Rock does it in the song. To sing it properly would be frankly ridiculous and it would lose it's meaning without that accompanying inflection. So, that would be my argument to your point of it sounding unpleasant to the ear. There was really no other way the Rock could've delivered that line.
- Sincerely, a Samoan who thoroughly enjoyed the video
Thank you for your input. I actually did think about it, and I decided that, to me, it just doesn't have a place as a refrain in a song because of its nature. I wouldn't put, for example, YIPPEE in its place in any other song for the same reason. Songwriting is fickle like that.
as a (non-native) Hawaiian this was the only part of the video that I totally disagreed with. The cheeehooo is like the only decent part of the song lol
scrolled down to see if anyone commented this and you hit it on the head, it would've sounded so inauthentic otherwise.
It's an interesting detail. There's a bit of a weird line it's walking where delivering the right sound and inflection for authenticity makes it tricky/impossible to work into a song like this one as the refrain or to close the Chorus. Not to say there aren't ways to integrate it but I don't think the Production staff on the musical element had the time to workshop a harmonious use.
"Come on-a, Moana" was absolutely the worst.
Holy hell this song falls apart more and more as it goes. I think even your average person will notice badly-metered lyrics.
Oh, as soon as I heard this one I wanted you to tear it apart, Astor.
I am fascinated with Disney's music choices lately - yes, they had LMM for The Little Mermaid, but Wish and now Moana 2 have not been the hits they should have been. I'm not saying they're not going to be popular, but they're not going to be You're Welcome or We Don't Talk About Bruno either.
I am so curious as to what they plan for Mufasa, Snow White, and Lilo & Stitch - especially because I think Snow White in the trailer is singing a new song, I believe. They're clearly trying to find their new sound and songwriters, but they're not giving any of them the time they deserve to create iconic songs again - lord knows how long Barlow and Bear had to create these songs, especially knowing the timeline of this movie's announcement to final product was ridiculously short.
IIRC Mufasa has Lin-Manuel
Lin's lyrics always sound so labored but god he is proving with his absence that it sounds labored because it requires a LOT of labor to make those rhymes and turns of phrase work.
I don't comment that much, but I absolutely love your channel. Because of my autism and being raised trilingual, I struggle to grasp a lot of things if they aren't explained in a very specific way. For so many years I thought music, especially lyric writing, was something I could never do, which broke my heart because I absolutely love music. The way you break down and explain everything is so clear and easy to understand for me. So thank you! Thank you so much for publishing such well made and concise videos for free 😊 God loves you!!! ❤
You said exactly why that song is so bad, and put it into words when I was just "feeling" it was horrible. I'll be honest, after the "Come on-a, Moana" I kinda stopped listening when I first came across that song because it's the whole "I'm a star here I are!" thing again and I don't have the mental fortitude for another round honestly
This song is giving me "problematic in the future", vibes like that Peter Pan song and Dumbo song with the crows and idk why.
It’s the repeated use of chee-hoo in it, most likely.
I don’t know anything about lyricism, and yet I still find this song jarring. It kinda sounds like the decided to make Dwayne rhyme on the spot and then threw it into the movie without much thought, this song would be genuinely grating to the ears
Also, why didn’t you like Lin Manual?
Considering how late in the game they had to (re-)record all the vocals, I wouldn't be surprised
overexposure, he was goddamn everywhere. that’s it i think, he was just too mainstream. not his fault at all lmao
Alright. I’m sorry, Lin. Also, is it me or have I noticed that after 8-10 years the Rock's singing is kind of grating without Lin or somebody experienced there to hold him down? Case in point, this song.
i thought i was going insane cause i didnt see any comments about the rock's singing. it's absolutely horrid and its driving me up a wall why did they let him do all that
@@flamboyantroach It’s so…grating.
If Disney does anymore Moana films/tv series/mini series I think Maui shouldn’t get anymore songs because the Rocks singing isn’t good now. It was good in Moana 1 with your welcome but in Moana 2 his singing sounds grating.
Edit: or unless Maui gets a new voice actor because the rock doesn’t need to be singing no more.
If you haven’t already, anyone missing Lin in this movie please check out his album Warriors. I think it’s some of his best work
I'm listening to lots of Wicked recently for obvious reasons and MY GOD videos/songs like this make me appreciate the lyrics so much more when compared to other recent movie musicals. I mean that seriously too because of the way you analyze lyrics and music. Also you gotta drop those 2014 fan songs.
I physically rolled my eyes at the “possibility” line
Can I say that 'Beyond' is a diet 'Into The Unknown'?
This summer I was at an amusement park, and on one ride the person next to me kept screaming "CHEE HOOO" at the top of her lungs, to the point where the volume was physically painful. This song brings back that memory.
The lyrics here feel like... like, I don't have the proper song terms for it, but the 'cadence' is off. It sounds like the person writing the lyrics couldn't match the time it takes to pronounce a syllable to the timing of the music, and like the singer was given so little time for familiarity/practice that he couldn't naturally follow the beat with his words.
Sounds like Disney is rushing their music artists again
Do you think the music was written before they decided to turn this into a theatrical film? It feels very straight to Disney+
Wait wait wait wait wait wait…they got a TikToker to write the lyrics???????
She wrote that godawful Bridgerton musical
Personally I like Lin’s music (when he’s not the one singing, or writing it for Akwafina), so this feels like an even harder drop. What the hell…
@@thevioletbee5879 his voice is standard by old Broadway terms.
I just think that the criticism became overblown
@ I just can’t take his voice seriously anymore. The memes have consumed me.
@@thevioletbee5879 you have to be careful with that stuff, because he has a strong Nicaraguan accent.
That can easily swing into unfortunate implications
@@desdar100 his voice aint really that bad idk why ppl hate it
@candigurrl07 it's just because of people constantly hearing him around, but like I said that excess complaining has led us to disastrous places
BRO YOU HAVE A GIRLFRIEND?? THIS WHOLE TIME I THOUGHT YOU WERE LIKE JUST SINGLE AND LISTENING TO DISNEY MUSIC RELIGIOUSLY WTF
People might have mixed feelings about LMM. But I wont deny that he is really good with rhyme, connecting lyrics into each other and so on. I actually was made fully away of him in the first Moana movie. Then I found out he was the creator of ‘In The Heights’ and I absolutely loved the music in there.
I cannot pick which one of these sins is the most upsetting to me 😭 I agree with what you say at the end, though, obviously the ones who should really be held accountable are the Disney higher-ups who rush things through with no development
1:45
Disney is f**ing up their new film's songs that they are making ppl reconsider and apologize to Lin' Manuel. Srs, how bad can you make something that ppl look back and miss what they didn't liked in the first place?
Sometimes it takes people not appreciating what they had to realize what they've lost.
We humans spend so much time in our houses with electricity that when a hurricane knocks it out we see how much we needed it.
@desdar100 truly words of wisdom
I felt like the synth solo felt pretty odd for Moana- it would be fine if it was a more modern setting, but it was very jarring when I first heard it. Anyway, good commentary! Idk if I’ll actually watch Moana 2 in theaters lol it’s probably not worth it
You make me appreciate rhyme and meter so much and i hope you know that. i'm a Literature Student who's always struggled with both but your criticism and analysis has helped me so much to help me deeply appreciate the art form and the ability to hear and understand them!!
i liked the idea of maui hyping up moana compared to how he hyped himself up in the last movie. but for an inspirational song, the melody didn't pump me up,
Agreed. This could have been so much better. Moana 2 wasn't bad as people keep saying. Yes, it's faster and not as developed but still good. I wish they would have developed the side characters better. As well as the villains.
@@sarahprince2412I second this. For me I wish Disney would still do a tv series/mini series for Moana instead of making more films in Moana’s world. I feel like that way there would be more time to flesh out the 3 side characters and the villains as opposed to a movie runtime.
you brought up lin manuel miranda a lot in your vids and it made me think i knew him from somewhere and i could not remember where. just the other day i finally remembered that my first exposure to him was when he was in the cast of regulars in the electric company. my favorites were "hard and soft g" and "silent e is a ninja" lmao
Told myself I wouldn't watch Moana if lin wasn't there.
Everyone say 'Sorry, Lin-manuel'
I love listening to people yap about what they’re passionate about, it’s so fun
6:26 many rhyme ideas (idk which one would make more sense lyrically) because a random person can come up with more ideas than disney apparently:
“come on-a, moana shake off your cuffs”
“come on-a, moana, it ain’t that tough” / “come on-a, moana, i know it’s tough” / “come on-a, moana, ya gotta be tough”
I have zero plans to see Moana 2, but I am eagerly anticipating each of your videos about the music.
...That bullying Storm God ... skips leg day ... for real.
The line "skips leg day for real" is in a Disney movie.
If you need me, I'll be in my bed, crying.
i went to watch moana 2 with my best friend. we were both pretty excited about it, simply cuz of nostalgia, but agreed the first one was a hundred times better. this song and 'get lost' were our favorites, but when i got home, eager to look them up in english (we're hispanic, so it was spanish dub on the cinema), this song specifically sounded really weird and i just couldn't enjoy it in english lmao. thank you! now i know why. the song in spanish isn't winning any awards soon, either, but it was a dozen times better and much more enjoyable than the english version, at least lol.
It’s almost like Disney shouldn’t hire pop song/tick tok song writers to write their songs. This is just Wish all over again.
Um excuse me your scuttlebutt video was great ma'am
Real
Aster having a real Thanos moment with this one 🗣️🗣️🔥
Lyricists do best when they are part of creating the music and lyrical world. New songs for old worlds rarely succeed without the original creators directly incolved.
4:40 ... i think the optics of being a white woman saying "if someone said this ethnic phrase to me while having polynesian features i'd be afraid" may have been missed
I feel like there are physical descriptors that would come to mind for Maui before "Polynesian" like "Gigantic" or "Cubicle"
She never said anything about his ethnicity. She just said that he looks generally intimidating.
C'mon man you're reaching just to call her racist, Maui is not just a guy with Polynesian features, he's tall, big and clearly strong, which would make him intimidating
yeah ngl, i felt weird about that whole part knowing it’s a cultural expression of joy and not really meant to be intimidating… immediately went to the comments when i heard it and im glad im not alone in my thinking
Hey Astor, absolutely love your analysis of all these songs and the way you put criticism into words. I was wondering if you would ever analyze any of the songs from epic the musical? There’s some pretty great songs in it, but I want to know your thoughts on it because it does mix the pop style with traditional musical styles while still (at least seemingly) sounding great
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@@astorrhymemasterthis didn’t age well 😭
idk if ur profile pic is new but i just noticed it and i love it
me when i see the hazbin clip despite actually liking that song: 😩
I know we were all growing tired of Lin Manuel Miranda but yeah... now that we're here I'd like to apologize to him
Congrats to the Polish Dub for making this song actually catchy in a way
I feel like instead of “a-make some history” I should’ve been something like “go make some history” but I’m not a lyricist
Disney should've bring back lin-manuel and Moana should have a serie instead.
I feel like this song exemplifies the problem with the whole movie.
On the surface, it’s fine. Maybe a few glaring issues, but still mildly enjoyable to listen to because of the beat, but when you start digging, you realize just how.. not well put together it is. I’m very scared of what this movie is going to mean for the future of Disney.
I will say however that I do not blame the songwriter at all. They’re clearly still learning, and have some skill here. A Disney TV Show is the absolute perfect place to get started, it’s a place to mess up. You can’t tell me that every tangled series or phineas and ferb song was perfect. I think they did the best they had with the skills they do, and wholly put blame on Disney here.
Commenting this before I watch the video, I wanna say I’m no music expert so I’m not really suited to pick up on issues in the rhyme structure and progression of the song, but in spite of this when I listened to it I physically recoiled at the pacing of “you know I don’t come to play, come to play”, it genuinely sounds like it was recorded off beat with the instrumental. Hoping I wasn’t the only one bothered by that specific line.
Edit: surprised the timing wasn’t brought up but the rhyming is definitely a lot more noticeable listening a second time. Maybe I really am the only one bothered by the speed idk lol
Genuinely don’t know how Disney can’t find a way to make good music
Maui: Here's the thing...
Herb: JUST SAY THE THING!
Just gonna ignore the fact that in this very movie it’s implied maui knows the future okay
It's a repackaged TV show that Disney decided not to do partway through, so they converted what they had into a movie. Because we all loved that part of the 90s, right? 😑 So anyway, at least having heard that, I had no real expectations left to be dashed by the songs.
its like they pick the rhyme first and try to fit in all the words around them
LMM hasn't actually left, they're just seemingly exclusively putting him on live action remakes. He's doing the music for the Mufasa movie and supposed to come back for the live action Moana. And, you know, that kind of makes me nervous about what their priorities for movies will be in the future. Especially with putting a TV budget, outsourced animated movie on the big screens 🫤
He actually had to be exclusively asked by Barry Jenkins to do mufasa since originally I don't think it was going to be a musical.
The remake will have them just because it's based off of the original
Whenever i hear his theme i hear the cleveland show theme and to this day i still dont know if its this or if it just sounds similar
Can you review the "Over the Garden Wall" soundtrack? I think it's the best soundtrack I heard in animation so far (and yes, I watch Disney Hunchback of Notre Dame) and I really wanna hear your opinion on it.
lol I've been obsessed with that soundtrack since my halloween rewatch of it! Yeah it's an interesting one because a lot of the songs are in universe, but I still don't think of it as a musical. I do love me some americana/folk music.
@stingingcake853 well, yeah, it's not a musical. But I don't care, I want a Astor review!
I agree with this one though.Can I get a Chee hoo was worse than Im a star in my opinion. Yes I know it has worse lyrics but atleast it felt important to the story and tells us that were all made of star dusts and thats why we wish upon stars. This song though... Especially in german, this song sounded like a pop song, and the Sanger didn't gave me musical vibes at all.
The only songs I like from Moana 2 are Were back and Beyond. Thats it. But the rest of the movie was good in my opinion. I definitely had a fun time at the theatres.
Those songs are the reason I'm glad I'm not English, the French song sounds much better which was also the case with wish (as far as you can save it). Its nice the translation team actually tries to give us good songs
Can’t help but think of Jesse Eisenberg in “The Social Network” while watching/listening to this 😅
Yet another case of "I wished I didnt had to judge a TV show's soundtrack the way I have to hold the soundtrack of an official Disney theatrical feature film soundtrack to a warranted high standard" but here we are 🤷♀️
I’m just hearing this song for the first time. Wow this is just a bland nothing song compared to You’re Welcome”. I’m not a hufe fan of slanting rhimes that are used too often but at least Lin did it fairly well. But more importantly if you just hum the song it’s not very good. You’re Welcome is catchy and you can hum it all day.
6:13 to be fair he does reference tweeting
Tweet can also mean to announce, cuz birds. Where do you think twitter got it from?
I swear these new Disney songs were written 30 minutes before recording
I will say about "level up" Maui in both Moana and Moana 2 has some level of precognition about future tech things. He says "when you write with a bird, it's called a tweet" in the first one and "are you sure it wasn't a butt dial... That'll make sense in like 2000 years" in the second one.
So that one nitpick is without merit as the character probably knows what level up means if he knows what a butt dial is.
Also I do like the idea of "can I get a chee hoo" even if the sounds are a bit unnatural in a song because it's basically a battle cry and he's trying to inspire Moana to use it. The phrase is used several times through the movie by several characters in moments of celebration or when they're about to fight. It sounds the same in and out of the song, so I don't mind a bit of dissonance.
But the execution is where it falls apart. "Come on a, Moana" is a ridiculous thing to say and I do not support it.
So many lines in these songs are just corporate jargon "level up". It's So distracting
7:54 they made this to copy you’re welcome. Hell they made the whole song to copy you’re welcome.
They really could have used the song "Warrior Face" from the Moana Jr stage show and it would have still worked as a motivational song