How to Recone A Subwoofer, Easy! | Step By Step | Sundown SA-12

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  • @junkyardhemi
    @junkyardhemi 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    So glad I found this video. About to re cone my Z18V3’s. I have everything Sundown recommends except a how to guide. Thanks Parker. Even though this video is 4 years old at the time of my project very helpful.

  • @loko7711
    @loko7711 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    The best pound for pound champ, the sundown S A💪

  • @RyanBassForLife
    @RyanBassForLife 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm going to recone a 15 xfl thanks for showing me how it's done in an eazy process.

  • @takumikuruzagi2519
    @takumikuruzagi2519 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Why don’t I have neighbors like u man😩 people hating on me cause of my mini bass lol 😆

    • @alphaomega8373
      @alphaomega8373 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I call them "no lifers" They cant help it.

  • @Infanitunit1
    @Infanitunit1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is great and very educational

  • @YT-MasterAdmin
    @YT-MasterAdmin 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for the video! This is perfect and has built my confidence to recone a $900 DJ subwoofer I have!

  • @timanwainaina323
    @timanwainaina323 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your videos man!

  • @boominc0420
    @boominc0420 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good job brotha!! The sa is my favorite subwoofer.

  • @bassheadfanatic950
    @bassheadfanatic950 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Sounds good parker you finally did a sundown audio sa video

  • @ivanwillie24
    @ivanwillie24 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That’s was really helpful . Another awesome video 👍👍

  • @ryanduerr6875
    @ryanduerr6875 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes!!!! Amazing video.... Frkn love it

  • @krissingh3744
    @krissingh3744 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent job

  • @tubesteak5001
    @tubesteak5001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome... Love the channel. Keep it up 👍😎

  • @mrthtv8021
    @mrthtv8021 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is the first time I herd some in vehicle music in it sounded good through my AirPod max

  • @turntup3250
    @turntup3250 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice! I'm glad you listen to your subscribers lol

  • @MadDragon75
    @MadDragon75 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sweet! Nice score Parker!

  • @74midwestbass74
    @74midwestbass74 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    NICE!

  • @________GHOST________
    @________GHOST________ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Man I love reconing and yah I pick up the sundown X-18 v2 d4 from JP to when drop the vid here on youtube with all 3 subs on the discount price and I was happy as hell the sub hit lows on the deep in. Congrat bro P.S the black CA glue is best though

    • @ParkerTheBasshead
      @ParkerTheBasshead  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ok very cool!! Glad you like the X-18. Yeah I need to pick up some black CA glue for future projects

  • @CoquiAudio
    @CoquiAudio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    awesome video bro 😊

  • @dylanBehrproductions
    @dylanBehrproductions 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It sounds really good man, don't know if I would go pounding full tilt directly after a redone but congrats on it👍

  • @howardkeepingitmoving5288
    @howardkeepingitmoving5288 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Look good in sound great

  • @dabosssr24
    @dabosssr24 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Just a tip for next time. Alternate ur shims so gap isnt all on one side. Coil can move to that side of gap and cause it not to be perfectly centered. Other than that good job bro

    • @ParkerTheBasshead
      @ParkerTheBasshead  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good point thanks!

    • @dabosssr24
      @dabosssr24 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Another tip. Invest in some clamps from harbor freight. Get like 6/pk for 2 bucks. So for like 10 bucks u will have all u need for spider and surround. Clamping makes all the difference. Same with building a box. U wouldnt glue it without clamping. Keep up the good work bro. Love watching ur vids and watching u grow both in knowledge for audio and subscribers

    • @TBrown-ts5gb
      @TBrown-ts5gb ปีที่แล้ว

      So question: Tht soft like material around bottom of cone thts like a card board material, but not can that be fixed??

  • @bass321head
    @bass321head 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey Parker question where did you get the ring terminals to put on to the speaker leads coming off of a drop in recone I'm in the middle of rebuilding some and I'm looking for the ring terminals to put on their everything I find is either too small or too big and gaudy to fit that

  • @busabro1
    @busabro1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks bro. I'm going to do both of mine now

  • @bass321head
    @bass321head 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How did you determine how many pieces of paper for a spacer. I just bought some saa10s that are blown I'm rebuilding them trying to figure out the spacer.. Any help is greatly appreciated

  • @howardsimpson489
    @howardsimpson489 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am amazed you did not get magnetic crap in the air gap. Use steel wire to work the stuff to the top edge than clean it out.

  • @Scorpio-tn4vy
    @Scorpio-tn4vy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The video of the dismantle should of been an essential part of the ENTIRE process.

  • @ramontobias1972
    @ramontobias1972 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where do you get the recovery kits

  • @moejr14
    @moejr14 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Will one of these recones work for a skar EvL 15

  • @deonjos8874
    @deonjos8874 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can this recone kit work on skar ddx?

  • @user-TurboD12
    @user-TurboD12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would you need to clean the pole area?

  • @exploremarcus
    @exploremarcus 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, i got a EDGE Car Audio EDP122SPL-E6 12" Competition Car Sub, around the screw holes where the rubber surround is glued it seems there some leakage, what glue can i use to seal this up?

  • @unfairsettings4102
    @unfairsettings4102 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a Cerwin Vega stroker ST154D 15 inch but it’s need to be reconed what kit do you recommend for these?

  • @TBrown-ts5gb
    @TBrown-ts5gb ปีที่แล้ว

    So can Kicket solo Baric be done the same way( My cones are cracked & broke up)

  • @user-TurboD12
    @user-TurboD12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you use sandpaper to clean the old glued down parts, or can I use a wire wheel?

  • @edwardhathcock3623
    @edwardhathcock3623 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So if the spider is broken it will still have bass but rattle like a spray can? My sub was sounding good and moving well good bass but lots of noise it was being a little extra lol. And is it worth it to replace the stuff inside or just buy a new sub?

  • @tedtan6449
    @tedtan6449 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where do we buy spider for speakers?

  • @hemi08911
    @hemi08911 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I need a drop in recone kit and a basket for this sub. I received one yesterday from D4S damaged and there sending me another new one. I'm stuck with a new motor

  • @narciso19G
    @narciso19G 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I need your bass playlist

  • @jordannice6984
    @jordannice6984 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

  • @carlcivic8841
    @carlcivic8841 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Now do a test with the subs inverted and in the box and see if louder or not.

  • @sebula9
    @sebula9 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it worth to re-cone an Alpine type E

  • @damiancastaneda8565
    @damiancastaneda8565 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where can I buy a re cone kit for my 18 skar??

  • @Chainsnatcher
    @Chainsnatcher 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey I’m new to bass, Is my RE audio xxx 12 v2 any good?

  • @chadm9715
    @chadm9715 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wish I known the paper trick when I did my recone.

  • @bobbymcdaniel5163
    @bobbymcdaniel5163 ปีที่แล้ว

    So I don't know if you seen my last comment on another video. I have a 12in txx blue eye candy. That the dust cover came off the coil due to a sealed box and low hz. Most ppl tell me to throw it out but it means a lot to me seeing it was my brother's that has past away. Do they make a re cone kit for this speaker. Don't have to be the blue aluminum style just want to hear the sub play again. I have two 15in. Txx red eye candy and a love the brand. Can you please help me out with my problem, thanks.

  • @alfredoacosta8510
    @alfredoacosta8510 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do u take subs for fixing?

  • @e_duble_d
    @e_duble_d 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Damn homie u be on point wit yo videos and different opinions for people and companies 👍🏾👍🏾💯💪🏾🙏🏾 you need yo own business ASAP someway somehow frfr if I ever have any problems I know who to hit up/ask about it all... keep it up bro continue all videos keep us surprised!!! I wanna get me some 2 12” Skar EVLs on a rp2000 amp with 4 Skar fsx Pro 6.5” loud speakers 🔊 with them Pro Audio tweeters then get a rp150.4 to all that!!! WHATS YO OPINION ON ALL THEM SKAR PRODUCTS??? I new to Skar lemme know Wzup bro!!! Appreciate it!!! Yo videos are dope I be stuck watching them!!!

    • @ParkerTheBasshead
      @ParkerTheBasshead  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Overall everything from Skar that I have had has been pretty good!

  • @JohnG1000
    @JohnG1000 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did that sub get smelly during break in

  • @isaaccaraudio4455
    @isaaccaraudio4455 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Who else agrees that he should buy another and go duo 12s?

  • @KerryLNeely
    @KerryLNeely 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    what adhesives do you recommend? you use the E6000 for all of it? and do the recone kits show whats the positive lead and whats the negative? i got one from CAB and they all look the same

    • @cuh_2023
      @cuh_2023 ปีที่แล้ว

      You will need a ca glue kit get one from directronix

  • @FunFactorRC
    @FunFactorRC 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm sorry to revisit an old video, but is it possible to recone a spaker for which they do not make a recone kit for?

  • @UrAvgBasshead
    @UrAvgBasshead 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great job. I use plastic shims from paper binders. About 4 plastic shims. Just makes the process a lot easier. Is Fi Audio pricey to you? I was one your subscribers that recommended sundown. Excited to see what you think.

    • @ParkerTheBasshead
      @ParkerTheBasshead  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have looked at Fi audio and hope to try some of their stuff eventually. Their higher end subs look top of the line

  • @jerrymoore1967
    @jerrymoore1967 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do a Sa 18 next

  • @BooMsHiT14
    @BooMsHiT14 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you show how to repair the shorting ring? My shorting ring went bad before my cone 🤯

  • @Tekjive
    @Tekjive 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yo bro I’m trying to find a motor to build my own 15”/18” with 4” voice coil, you got any I can buy?

  • @Ronco160
    @Ronco160 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Parker could you test a american bass xr 12" and redo rockville's rms test on it ? I belive they fudged the test.

    • @ParkerTheBasshead
      @ParkerTheBasshead  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s a good idea! I’ve been wanted to get an XR anyway. I have a few subs lined up but need to get one soon

  • @justfasial01
    @justfasial01 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    SA-12 was my first sub, def worth it. Can take a lot of abuse. After this I got the Audiopipe BDC4-12, it looked great in your comparison with other subs in that range. Would like to see how you compare it to the BDC? BDC4 seems louder.

    • @ParkerTheBasshead
      @ParkerTheBasshead  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We will have to see! Just put the SA in my car this morning

    • @olveramelinda
      @olveramelinda 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mine took a year of clipping full tilt. On a taramps smart 3. Great subs

  • @Dubbing114
    @Dubbing114 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's the price of cone and voice coil

  • @Covencraft
    @Covencraft 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got my U18's for 275$ each vs $500 each, thru the sundown yard sale.

  • @joselpaulino2473
    @joselpaulino2473 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you have ring light it will make a big difference in quality view

  • @user-dy9zy5kr5p
    @user-dy9zy5kr5p 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍

  • @AlpacaLover123
    @AlpacaLover123 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please help..I needed drop in recone kit for Memphis mojo 15inch dual 2ohms pre assembled..any one known where I can get one..THANK

  • @basslife4evr772
    @basslife4evr772 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro u came a long way i been watching ur channel for a while now and im very impressed that box u built for the Toyota Sequoia i amazing ur very talented Hey if u ever have the time and would be willing to build another box il pay u whatever u want i would want it pretty much the same but for only 4 SUBWOOFERS and two 8" ports if u would have the time u don't understand wer i live believe it or not no1 around here makes anything like that they don't even want to put extra speakers in ur doors or anything even if u give them permission and im from Pittsburgh it's just sad if u can't do it i understand but i hope u think about it if u decide u would il send u the money first sorry for rambling on but if u can do it il probably get a box for 6.5" 8" 10" 12" 15" and 18" boxes ok im done thank u etherway [☣✌🏽💪🏽🔈✌🏽💪🏽🔉✌🏽💪🏽🔊☣]

  • @kyleblemzey5990
    @kyleblemzey5990 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    both my zv6s took a shit at 4 ohms on a salt 8k with no clipping distortion and with voltage that didn’t don’t get any lower than 10.5 could have that cause them to blow ? The amp puts out 3k rms +at 4 ohm dissapointed asf might sell ‘‘em or get recones

  • @deonjos8874
    @deonjos8874 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would the sundown sa recone kit work on the skar ddx?

  • @MayzDayz007
    @MayzDayz007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Next recone a NVX VCW154 with PSI soft parts!

  • @carlosag5281
    @carlosag5281 หลายเดือนก่อน

    glue name? bro

  • @juancortez8880
    @juancortez8880 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyone know where I can send mine for repair already emailed sundown no response

  • @lesterwhite7933
    @lesterwhite7933 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was the E6000 high or medium viscosity? Amazon sells both but idk what would be the best to use.

    • @Y3nny
      @Y3nny 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I know that you probably have already figured it out, but this is to help others who were scrolling through because I was wondering the same thing. It is the medium viscosity E6000.

    • @cuh_2023
      @cuh_2023 ปีที่แล้ว

      E6000 will only be good to hike down the surround you will need a ca glue kit for the spider landing get one from directronix

  • @LTSRIDE24
    @LTSRIDE24 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    it would be nice to know the best direction to face a sub and the port. It seems like there must be some science behind this, yet, we still to this day, see sub pointed in all different directions and ports in all different directions also. I attempted to point my sub up and it sounded like crap. My port points in the same direction as my sub though, so perhaps that was the reason, idk.
    Has anyone done any testing on this? Overall, in an open style SUV, which direction should your sub face and port? I believe the last thing I read, said, your sub should point towards the front of the car and most of what I've read, also say's that your port should be on the same side of the enclosure as your subwoofer.
    Thoughts?
    I, currently, have a Kicker Comp Q in a pre-fab Skar enclosure (I know - I know). I just ordered a Sundown Audio SA12 v2 and it will be here tomorrow. I've never owned a SA or even heard one in real life, so I'm excited. This was also my first time owning a Kicker and I'm not sure if it's the sub or the enclosure or both, but I'm just not overall pleased with it, so I'm curious to play around with my new sub, then have someone build me a custom enclosure for whichever sub sounds best.

    • @kevincharles1983
      @kevincharles1983 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I know you posted this a year ago but I've tried facing mine up, towards the front, and facing the back always sounds the best in my suv. 02 sequoia

  • @quintonlitton6779
    @quintonlitton6779 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What you think is better the xfl or the sa? I've always said xfls were more louder and better but I wanna know ur opinion.

    • @ParkerTheBasshead
      @ParkerTheBasshead  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The XFL for sure. 3” coil and better xmax

    • @quintonlitton6779
      @quintonlitton6779 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ParkerTheBasshead that's what I've always said to lol my xfl 10 d22 out performed and out metered my sa v2 12 js and the sa 12 was in a bigger box then my xfl 10. Put in mind this was back in the day when I had it in a trunk of a Buick lol now I've ben ballin with my explorer 5.0 suv with 2 Americanbass tnt 15s the new ones on a synergy 2k and it's amazing. I got a dual ported carbon fiber box for my 2 15s but I've ben thinking on switching my tnts out and put me 2 xfl 15s In it or do 2 synergy 2ks on 2 hd 15s:) but it's all about money so I'll be lucky to get 2 xfls lol but good video bro like always and appreciate all the vids u put on here and commenting back.

    • @darknature79
      @darknature79 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ParkerTheBasshead I had sa12s and audioque sdc2.5 12s and sold the sa12s,they would get smelly faster and it seemed like the sensitivity was higher on the sa12s and that was after testing with a kicker zx1500.1 and a an vfl120.1 competition 2800 watt.
      Xfls are next on my list.

  • @PuReAgonize
    @PuReAgonize 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    in your opinion, SKAR evl vs sundown SA, which one would u buy and why. help plz parker ive been on a debate between these 2 for a long time

    • @ParkerTheBasshead
      @ParkerTheBasshead  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haven’t had the SA long enough yet to really tell but the SA has a better motor while the EVL has a better voice coil.

    • @PuReAgonize
      @PuReAgonize 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ParkerTheBasshead i will comment again in a few days when u get to really judge the SA. Ive heard evl can get louder while the SA overall sounds better.

    • @rodneyjohnson4881
      @rodneyjohnson4881 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sundown sa all the way trust me scar is crap I have to sa 12 for the last 3 years unbelievable for the money best bang for your buck for sure

    • @rodneyjohnson4881
      @rodneyjohnson4881 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ParkerTheBasshead they're not tweeters nor mid-range lol 🤔

  • @Scorpio-tn4vy
    @Scorpio-tn4vy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd rather use glue lined heat shrink since solder can corrode and flake apart.

  • @bigboi7738
    @bigboi7738 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Any interest in getting the new SA V2 1000rms??

    • @ParkerTheBasshead
      @ParkerTheBasshead  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If it wasn’t $300 I would

    • @royresha4073
      @royresha4073 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ParkerTheBasshead its on sale now for 239 lol

    • @ParkerTheBasshead
      @ParkerTheBasshead  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Roy Resha yeah I saw trying to decide if it is worth it for the channel

  • @TechnikToni-Overtribe
    @TechnikToni-Overtribe 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    song at 11.50

  • @ruffypoo
    @ruffypoo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really wished you used clamps. Even on the cheapest builds its always good to clamp. Overall looks good. Congrats

  • @JustHi3132
    @JustHi3132 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    When are u gonna go to 15's??

    • @ParkerTheBasshead
      @ParkerTheBasshead  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha I don’t know!

    • @Infanitunit1
      @Infanitunit1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What would really take his channel to the next level would be having multiple subwoofer boxes for different sub sizes

    • @Infanitunit1
      @Infanitunit1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Or a different car for each size sub 🤔

    • @That_Car_Kidd
      @That_Car_Kidd 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      15s and 18s for the win!

  • @brianmanning34
    @brianmanning34 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I used to pound my subs in the driveway & my neighbor wanted to kill me.He ran out his house one time and I said oh shit and took off lol.

  • @zayrembert5752
    @zayrembert5752 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    How can I send in my subwoofer for repair?

    • @MegaRcdrifter
      @MegaRcdrifter 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Go to the fixmyspeaker . com

  • @josepena2602
    @josepena2602 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyone is Houston that can re coil 2 12s alpine type r ?

  • @MadballBaby
    @MadballBaby ปีที่แล้ว

    Great content,I have 12” W7 I want to repair bought it damaged it plays highs I’m gonna do a voice coil and spider in it the spider seems to be sold out the spider and cone are good to go but I have not seen anyone save em and use em the other thing is shimming the coil not sure on that ,any advice help parts info would be greatly appreciated.Happy New Year-my fellow bass heads .Maryland showing ❤

  • @bassinsierra
    @bassinsierra 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Grind the top basket lip. I knew from the start you would mess that up and forget it

  • @Infanitunit1
    @Infanitunit1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    By the way the sundown looks exactly like a Skar subwoofer with no cone

    • @ParkerTheBasshead
      @ParkerTheBasshead  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah I want to get the Skar DDX and compare them

    • @________GHOST________
      @________GHOST________ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      SUNDOWN AUDIO WAS FIRST BEFORE SKAR AUDIO SO SKAR COPY FROM THEM :D LOL

    • @Infanitunit1
      @Infanitunit1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      _1_ I forgot slat was some what new

  • @tankdog03ify
    @tankdog03ify 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Need to bend the tinsel lead lugs upward a little bit, so there is a little more play in the wire, I dont think I would have cut the leads either.. u was a little sloppy on the glue around the basket, but now u know what u should do better next time.. decent video

  • @Guiltless765
    @Guiltless765 ปีที่แล้ว

    Drop in rebuild.

  • @williambaker1753
    @williambaker1753 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you didn't buy the sub and Jp didn't give it to you did you backdoor the sub.

  • @lkjyuiop1987
    @lkjyuiop1987 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I bought a 12” sub my 15 broke. I don’t care much for the 12” just don’t hit as hard

  • @Cr1ms0nPwnda
    @Cr1ms0nPwnda 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sloppy glue job on the dust cap.

  • @laughoutloudsweat277
    @laughoutloudsweat277 ปีที่แล้ว

    Name song -2:03 and -1:45

  • @williamhudson1751
    @williamhudson1751 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How can I get a recon kit for my 15" masses hippo XL I need 3 Do you have a phone number or email that I can get me some

  • @trancemaster420
    @trancemaster420 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    all that wrk just 4 a sa .. . wow ... .
    then let me blow it on 1400 watts agin ha ha

  • @sunshinewhitewolf5574
    @sunshinewhitewolf5574 ปีที่แล้ว

    Iwantfreestuff 2of a re orbuy

  • @travisgulley2652
    @travisgulley2652 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do note that recone kits are not cheap and most car subwoofer manufacturers don't offer factory recone kits and some car subwoofer manufacturers that offered factory recone kits have stopped making factory recone kits and have stopped offering factory recone kits factory recone kits could become extinct many years from now

  • @tonym9450
    @tonym9450 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Avoid gorilla glue epoxy , it's the least reliable