• heathers off broadway ... part one • heathers west end but ... inspiration video go watch it's better than mine hey here's part two hehe this was so much fun to make I love heathers
I may or may not have fallen back into heathers while making this Thank you for all the support :) Oh god I just realized I put crochet instead of croquet LMAO Also with the amount of people who want to sing seventeen with me we can start a choir
id assume it would be their death clothes or their funeral attire but for this having a girl in a sleep robe and two guys in briefs just works so much.
I think it's the guilt manifesting. Veronica's imagining the ghosts of Heather C and the other two jocks in their last attire before she unalived the three of them because she didn't even want to unalive them in the first place.
1:11 look, if YOU found out the boy you've been in love with for ten+ years who you thought invited you to his homecoming party was 1. apparently gay 2. apparently gay WITH his best friend 3. and they apparently committed mutual suicide 4. and at their joint funeral you found out their dads were ALSO gay 5. FOR EACH OTHER 6. AND THEN THE GAY DADS MADE OUT AT THE FUNERAL i would also be going through it. i can't blame martha on this one.
She was delusional as hell though. I dont know why they wrote her so dumb and creepy. She kept his scab and thought it meant he loved her, and then denied the possibility he's gay because of her own delusion. She was right that it was a murder, but she only came to that conclusion because she thinks she know who he is and she thinks he's not gay because he loves her secretly. Boohoohoo straight girl he's not gonna pick you even if he's straight
@@hyukleberry5567 damn, dude? Martha thought ram loved her because of the letter, and she loved him. He liked her when they were younger. She was pushed around and bullied for it, and obviously came to the realisation that he didn’t like her, because she ends up offing herself knowing that the only guy that showed her any attention or kindness didn’t love her anymore, was killed, and then her best friend was now rejecting her the same way. So your comment just comes off as aggressive for no reason. I’d also add that ram literally gave her the scab, and they were like little kids.
the fact that heathers is still relevant even years after it debuted (excluding the west end era) i still don't understand how they still haven't had a revival cast in america or even a broadway run back in 2014
I genuinely think it’s because they handled the topics they have slightly better than the source material Honestly, as an adaptation, this should have been a disaster.
@@cherune I totally agree! My dumb ass really just thought about doing a recast for the movie and not the musical 😅😅 either way, I love the musical just as much as the movie, no matter who the cast is
Did anyone notice that at the end of Meant To Be Yours, Veronica's mom comes in with a snack, which is a callback to Candy Store, where Heather says, "If you lack the balls, you can go play dolls, let your mommy fix you a snack"
I always liked how Heather M’s actor portrayed her moving. Heather M always had really jaunty hyped up movements, up until Life Boat. Instead of everything she did seamlessly folding together, kind of like when she’d be cheerleading, when it came to LifeBoat she was slumped over swaying a bit, and all of her actions in time with the chorus were sharp and jagged. Her character is being authentic, showing the whole school her suicidal thoughts, so she doesn’t feel like she needs to stand presenting the flowy cheer captain look. When Shine A Light Reprise (whine whine whine, literally my favourite number it’s the only piece of fiction that’s ever made me cry.) comes on, when HM is having her panic attack, it’s the same thing just more frantic.
Dan is actually just such an amazing actor and person. My biggest flex is that my parents were good friends in middle school so I’ve met him before. He’s a very cool guy
My favorite part of this musical is Meant to Be Yours. The flip btw the chorus and verses is so jarring bc the verses are 4/4 but the chorus is 3/4 so the chorus is super romantic sounding like a waltz/ballad but the verses are the perfect contrast with the manic speed and stuff. Like they captured JD's instability so well it gives me chills every time.
2:37-2:50 I absolutely love the blocking that Veronica is mimicking the movements of Heather Chandler, showing that in that moment, Veronica is acting unlike herself, but more like Heather Chandler. CHILLS everytime! 4:20 Also, when you think about Heather McNamara's words, this means that Heather Duke does not give her a ride to school even before the victims were murdered. Jeez, that hurts
i cannot fathom how good of a JD dan is. everyone says that ryan is their favorite, but i think i'd have to disagree. i love both performances so much (i listen to it on spotify and the off broadway version all the time), but dan just does it better to me? he sounds more unhinged and actually insane, unlike ryan does in the spotify version. ryan sounds more annoyed that his plan isn't working, however dan's version makes JD sound more desperate and confused, and that's how i picture him. also, that high note in freeze your brain? it makes my ears a lot happier than ryan's version. this could ofc be spotify's fault because it may have been too loud the other way, or it was too hard to capture in a studio, dunno. either way, they're both my favorite JD's, i think i just like dan's more.
SAME DUDE!! I have seen clips of Ryan's acting for heathers but idk I'm in love with Dan's acting it's exactly like you said! His acting is more based on being so lost he spiraled I mean until Heather died he was just doing his own thing but it's after that he behaves far more unhinged and to be very honest, like a God choosing who gets to live and who doesn't, dude 100% needed therapy
honestly! jamie muscato has slightly crept over dan for me as my fave JD, but dan was always my favourite since the beginning - partly because he was the only jd i had a reference for (i could never find any full bootlegs for ryan so i can't really compare his version w theirs). i think both dan and jamie seem more like actual scared, traumatised teenagers becoming more and more unhinged whereas ryan looks too much like a 30 year old playing a high schooler, everything feels a bit more controlled with him - which i guess could be explained by the general view of a "sociopath" (in quotations because it's an outdated term, just can't think of a better way to describe it) being y'know, "fake" and calculated and manipulative - but idk, i like him as JD, but smth about jamie and dan do it better for me. by meant to be yours both of them feel like they've completely snapped and it's brilliant.
I love how at the end of dead girl walking reprise when they're wrestling for the gun and it goes off you cant tell who's been shot until JD falls to the ground. Thats always been one of my favourite small details and I hate when other shows don't do it.
One thing that I noticed after watching the movie is that (I am going off of Dans JD) in the movie it seems like jd never really loved veronica, and was just using her from the start, and she realizes this later on in the movie. While in the musical it seems like jd really did love veronica, and him murdering heather, kurt, and ram because he was quite literally crazy for her; and veronica knows this too as she threatens to break up with him because she thinks thats what might get him to stop. Also the difference in when both jd's found out veronica "unalived" herself. If I am remembering correctly, movie Jd laughed and explained his whole plan to blow up the school and had snuck into her room to unalive her. But when musical jd finds her, he looks genuinly heartbroken, but got over it quick and only fueled him further to blow up the school. Or he pretended to be sad because he knew she wasnt really dead seeing as when she finds him in the broiler room he doesnt seem overly surprised. Depending on how you view that scene in the musical it could change your whole perspective of the storyline. Last thing I want to mention is the scene just before jd blows up: In the movie when they say goodbye I think he says "our love is god" (I dont remember exactly) but he says it more sarcastically because he knows that veronica knows what his whole plan was and just the way they say goodbye has a "I'll see you in another life" vibe - which I find a perfect ending of their relationship. In the musical however their goodbye is a lot more heartfelt, and during the "our love is god" reprise you hear jd sing "Id trade my life for yours, and once I disapear, clean up the mess down here" because he realizes the trauma hes given veronica and thinks that the only way for here and the rest of the town to heal is for him to be gone. While hes singing that you hear veronica sing "oh my god, wait hold on, not this way" because shes realizing what hes doing. I heard this from someone else, but I completely agree with it and just thought I would throw it in, but; when veronica sings "say hi to god" at the end she knows that deep down his heart is in the right place and that she still thinks hes a good guy therefore thinks that he is going to go to heaven. This ending is a little bit more heart clenching, but I wouldnt change a thing about the way the musical finishes off their relationship. This is just something I realized after the 7th time rewatching the musical, and I thought I would share it. Sorry about the 3 almost 4 paragraphs, and hopefully this makes sense (its nearly 1am and I am not rereading it to make sure it makes sense)
Yeah, Gen X kid here and I totally agree. I grew up with this iconic film, so it took me longer than it probably should have for me to like this show... even though it's such a good musical, the film is still one of my all time favorites. Like I get why the musical has Veronica climb through J.D.'s window... it's a different time with a different zeitgeist and so the characters are different. But J.D. climbing through her window is like peak Gen X teen vibe. And yeah, movie J.D. finding her dead and being like well OK then, off I go to kill everyone... again... PEAK Gen X teen. They're both awesome... but they are very different. And I think it's just a generation thing... like in the 1st part of this review, Vistilia says that movie Veronica doesn't really react to the deaths... oh no my dear, Veronica is reacting in PEAK Gen X teen! But if you didn't grow up then, I can definitely see how it doesn't look that way. We didn't over emote. We dealt with stuff inside. And I can very much see her reaction. It's a very interesting generational character study. I dig it.
i find it so crazy that at 5:42 j.d's dad is implanting the idea for how j.d himself will try and blow up the school. "you should have seen the fireworks, got it all here on video. loaded the upper floors with thermals, set the whole thing off with a norwegian in the boiler room. kaboom." this play is amazing
0:32 in the movie he asks her if she took german, she tells him she took french. right after he gave her the Ich Luge line, he was making sure she didnt know
Can we just appreciate the full chest voice belted A5? 9:25 that note among others (G#5 in Beautiful, G#5 in Dead Girl Walking, several C#5 and other high belts in other songs) makes Veronica one of the most difficult female roled to play on Broadway imo because most people simply cannot belt that high consistency.
5:10 I don't see people making this correlation very often and it's so worth highlighting it, shine a light reprise is like the result of McNamara's mental state during the musical, is played in a way that shows it's not "real" (and yet people hate Duke for this, specifically)
This one goes out to everyone who actually APPRECIATES “Kindergarten Boyfriend” because I’ve heard so many people say it’s the one song they skip and I- FUMING 😤
Where does Dan get all that fkin energy oh my god- Not just the performance but also in the ending where hes jumping and clapping so aggressively and high fiving people. He did JD such justice in his performence.
Martha wasn’t being homophobic, she had a crush on ram for 10+ years and so she was in denial that she was gay. I’m sure eventually she’ll realise that he is, indeed, gay gay homosexual gay.
my sister’s only flex is one that most heathers fans would LITERALLY KILL FOR. so when she went to see heathers, her fave song is meant to be yours. so she was singing it PASSIONATELY and the guy playing jd saw this, and APPARENTLY HE LOOKED HER RIGHT IN THE EYE AS HE WAS PERFORMING AND SMILED AT HER. LIKE.. WHAT
my friend/old castmate saw heathers on off-broadway at that particular performance, barrett accidentally cut her arm during dgw and was half dying onstage while my friend was dying laughing in the audience *this said friend of mine is now playing veronica at her university and karma may strike soon*
I don’t know who I got this from, but someone said that Veronica always saw the good in people, and by saying: “say hi to god” she truly believed JD still had good in him and could go to heaven or something isk
Heather's will always be my favorite musical. Beautiful vocals, great characters, and especially how it's the perfect mix of funny and super dark. I always loved how the handled the darker themes and showed just how genuinely fucked up a lot of the things going on were. Loved the movie, but the musical just did the emotion justice. The best part is the constant reminder that thESE ARE 17 YEAR OLDS. THEYRE KIDS(ish)
i think we forgot to point out that when veronica is telling martha off, shes standing in the same pose as heather, trying to immitate her. at 2:46 theyre standing right by each other in the same pose. UNNOTICED DETAILS
how is noone talking about the fact that Veronica and Heather synced their poses at 2:50 which shows that Veronica is getting more like Heather?! it's soooo good
5:01 Imagine being bullied by someone who is shorter than you, ego and popularity is everything it seems I liked Duke at first because I would look at her and say "oh poor girl.. :c" and after Heather's death "I take it back"
IT’S SO TRUE Martha isn’t there at all for shine a light because she runs off! I played Martha over the summer and it made me so sad thinking about it, but also my good friend played Fleming so I got to vibe backstage and watch them perform
Fun fact: For the movie they were gonna let JD blow up the school but they thought it was too dark so they gave it a happy ending! This movie and musical could’ve ended SO MUCH WORSE
When you think about it, Veronica accidentally confessing to the murders is kind of similar to the ending of American Psycho in a way. The ending hints that if your on the top, it doesn't matter what you do or what you confess to, everyone is the same and no one will believe you (the ending is interpreted in different ways, this one was just kind of similar to Veronica's accidental confession).
0:22 i think in the movie Veronica acts apathic of Ram and Kurt death 'cause she didn't know how to react, she burns herself with the cigarette shor after, to try feel something and JD just lights his cigarette in her burns, as she crawls up to him... i believe in the movie she goes into shock, while in the musical she is more reactive
One of my own favorite details is during the scene where Martha thinks Kurt and Ram were murdered, her mouth is still moving while Kurt and Ram are talking, showing that she's still trying to explain her thought process but Veronica is zoning out and can't concentrate on her. Honestly the amount of little background details are so cool, I notice something new everytime I watch it!
I absolutely love how JD reacts to seeing Veronica after he seen her faking her death, thinking she really died because instead of reacting like 'Holy shit. How the fuck are you here?' He reacts like it's a normal(ish) Tuesday.
i’m pretty sure i saw a clip of barrett talking about when the tic tacs spewed all over the stage so i believe it was tic tacs yeah these videos point out so many things i didn’t even realize and they r so cool omg you’re so good at making these keep it up 👍:D
i also love the orchestra shoutout, i love dissecting and breaking down the meanings of instrument use etc in musicals, i play flute and i’d really like to work at a theater as a local musician when i’m older :D
2:48 notice how heather and veronica are in the same pose after how veronica just treated martha, she essentially was being "that bitch." That bitch being heather.
holy smokes i never noticed it before but you can see these different coloured silhouettes of jd around 9:54, one being red and another being blue but around 10:00 when he starts singing about his love for her, you can see that the red silhouette is gone i think that's likely some sort of hint towards how some part of (musical) JD really did love her, past all the twisted homicidal tendencies which disappear in his knowing last moments of sacrificing himself for veronica god i love this show
I turned 17 earlier this year in March, and I was sitting with all my friends watching stuff and listening to stuff as celebration, and we had it queued up that when it hit midnight for me and would officially be my birthday, Seventeen (Reprise) would start playing. That was a pretty damn special moment and I wouldn’t have started that day off any other way =]
ok, who else ships Heather M and Veronica, because, like, every single one of their interactions is so cute and heartwarming, I just can't get over it!
One thing I noticed that I don't think was added is in 'Yo Girl' when Veronicas parents talk about her depression and "her note". Heather Chandler says, "he's got your handwriting down cold" and when Veronica and J.D are writing Heather Chandlers letter, J.D is looking over Veronicas shoulder for most of the time while she writes. He picked up her handwriting THAT quick.
something i noticed as well: 10:23 - in the very first song of the musical (Beautiful) veronica and martha were talking about how they were gonna watch the princess bride. their conversation goes like this: martha: we on for movie night? veronica: yeah, youre on jiffy pop detail martha: i rented the PRINCES BRIDE veronca: oh ho ho, again? wait, i thought you had it memorized?? martha: what can i say, *i'm a sucker for a happy ending.* the "are there any happy endings?" line is a reference to the "i'm a sucker for happy endings" line. another thing i noticed, earlier on, at 2:50 , veronica really shows how she's become a heather by doing the pose. *sigh*
I may or may not have fallen back into heathers while making this
Thank you for all the support :)
Oh god I just realized I put crochet instead of croquet LMAO
Also with the amount of people who want to sing seventeen with me we can start a choir
Ill sing "Seventeen" With you!!
im always just going to be there to witness you plummet straight into the heathers rabbit hole huh
@@akwueh3995 yes
@@akwueh3995 i often find myself in the heathers rabbit hole
Seventeen is a fucking banger so I don’t doubt it!
I LOVE HOW THEY KEPT THE ACTORS IN THE COSTUMES THEY DIED IN ITS SO FUNNY AND KINDA REALISTIC!? (personally don't think ghosts have closets)
id assume it would be their death clothes or their funeral attire but for this having a girl in a sleep robe and two guys in briefs just works so much.
I think it's the guilt manifesting. Veronica's imagining the ghosts of Heather C and the other two jocks in their last attire before she unalived the three of them because she didn't even want to unalive them in the first place.
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@@kasshill2034 I was the 666th like 😎
@@yeahno3896 Personally, I prefer the idea that actually they're ghosts and not a manifestation of guilt
also i cannot get over the fact that veronica confessed to THREE MURDERS yet no one believed her 💀💀
like damn murderers take notes
@@Vistelia reverse psychology lololol
ohhhhh word their dumb that’s why
the teachers really be like “haha you teenagers pfff”
@@riversbend9783 "its just a phase"
1:11 look, if YOU found out the boy you've been in love with for ten+ years who you thought invited you to his homecoming party was 1. apparently gay 2. apparently gay WITH his best friend 3. and they apparently committed mutual suicide 4. and at their joint funeral you found out their dads were ALSO gay 5. FOR EACH OTHER 6. AND THEN THE GAY DADS MADE OUT AT THE FUNERAL
i would also be going through it. i can't blame martha on this one.
damn
stab wounds on my emotional and mental health
She was delusional as hell though. I dont know why they wrote her so dumb and creepy. She kept his scab and thought it meant he loved her, and then denied the possibility he's gay because of her own delusion. She was right that it was a murder, but she only came to that conclusion because she thinks she know who he is and she thinks he's not gay because he loves her secretly. Boohoohoo straight girl he's not gonna pick you even if he's straight
@@hyukleberry5567 damn, dude? Martha thought ram loved her because of the letter, and she loved him. He liked her when they were younger. She was pushed around and bullied for it, and obviously came to the realisation that he didn’t like her, because she ends up offing herself knowing that the only guy that showed her any attention or kindness didn’t love her anymore, was killed, and then her best friend was now rejecting her the same way. So your comment just comes off as aggressive for no reason.
I’d also add that ram literally gave her the scab, and they were like little kids.
but i think she was just really invested in the gay dads’ story 😭😭
@@hyukleberry5567 hey buddy hope you fucking healed because this comment was so obviously a projection of yourself. get laid.
the fact that heathers is still relevant even years after it debuted (excluding the west end era) i still don't understand how they still haven't had a revival cast in america or even a broadway run back in 2014
RIGHTTT
I genuinely think it’s because they handled the topics they have slightly better than the source material
Honestly, as an adaptation, this should have been a disaster.
Probably because it would never be as good as the original movie 💀💀 change my mind
@@pencilshavings6290 i know that. but the musical has it's own charm that's why we theatre kids resonate with it.
@@cherune I totally agree! My dumb ass really just thought about doing a recast for the movie and not the musical 😅😅 either way, I love the musical just as much as the movie, no matter who the cast is
Did anyone notice that at the end of Meant To Be Yours, Veronica's mom comes in with a snack, which is a callback to Candy Store, where Heather says, "If you lack the balls, you can go play dolls, let your mommy fix you a snack"
Wow I didn’t!
But she didn't lack any balls...did you not watch Dead Girl Walking?
@@infiniteabyss1470 NAHH💀✋
yeah, i thought that, they really like to make connections between songs
@@infiniteabyss1470 HELPPP
I always liked how Heather M’s actor portrayed her moving.
Heather M always had really jaunty hyped up movements, up until Life Boat. Instead of everything she did seamlessly folding together, kind of like when she’d be cheerleading, when it came to LifeBoat she was slumped over swaying a bit, and all of her actions in time with the chorus were sharp and jagged. Her character is being authentic, showing the whole school her suicidal thoughts, so she doesn’t feel like she needs to stand presenting the flowy cheer captain look.
When Shine A Light Reprise (whine whine whine, literally my favourite number it’s the only piece of fiction that’s ever made me cry.) comes on, when HM is having her panic attack, it’s the same thing just more frantic.
YES YES YES
Dan is actually just such an amazing actor and person. My biggest flex is that my parents were good friends in middle school so I’ve met him before. He’s a very cool guy
WHAAAAHAHAGAAAT THATS SO COOOOLL AAAA
@@sneezecakexx XD. It’s basically my biggest flex
Yoooo that’s pog, also nice username
@@eeeeeeee57478 thanks lol
bro…this isn’t fair YOU’RE SO LUCKY
i love how heathers can make me genuinely love a cast full of awful characters.
Idk martha seems like a nice person and veronica was also just being manipulated, she never killed anyone.
@@sparklee5044Martha and Veronica might be the only good characters in this entire show 😭😭
@@vikaaaaaa Not to mention Veronica's parents.
@@vikaaaaaa late but Heather M?
@@Olivethecroissant yeah that’s true, but only near the end of the show
My favorite part of this musical is Meant to Be Yours. The flip btw the chorus and verses is so jarring bc the verses are 4/4 but the chorus is 3/4 so the chorus is super romantic sounding like a waltz/ballad but the verses are the perfect contrast with the manic speed and stuff. Like they captured JD's instability so well it gives me chills every time.
My fav song fr
the chorus is 7/8
@@ivoryz777 The chorus switches between 3/4 and 5/4. It's really weird
@@blippity0915 it's in 7/8, the phrasing is just syncopated
2:37-2:50 I absolutely love the blocking that Veronica is mimicking the movements of Heather Chandler, showing that in that moment, Veronica is acting unlike herself, but more like Heather Chandler. CHILLS everytime!
4:20 Also, when you think about Heather McNamara's words, this means that Heather Duke does not give her a ride to school even before the victims were murdered. Jeez, that hurts
It’s possible that Heather Duke just lived the other direction
when I saw that scene, I thought that heather c possesed veronica (yeah I watched beetlejuice) cause of the movements
@@notaninstrument7707 or doesnt have a car lol
@@victoirekim6860 But Heather Duke say in Candy Store: "get in my Jeep", so that means she has a car- (sorry for my bad inglish xd)
@@pusitaetae bruh why is this so cringe
i cannot fathom how good of a JD dan is. everyone says that ryan is their favorite, but i think i'd have to disagree. i love both performances so much (i listen to it on spotify and the off broadway version all the time), but dan just does it better to me? he sounds more unhinged and actually insane, unlike ryan does in the spotify version. ryan sounds more annoyed that his plan isn't working, however dan's version makes JD sound more desperate and confused, and that's how i picture him. also, that high note in freeze your brain? it makes my ears a lot happier than ryan's version. this could ofc be spotify's fault because it may have been too loud the other way, or it was too hard to capture in a studio, dunno. either way, they're both my favorite JD's, i think i just like dan's more.
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SAME DUDE!! I have seen clips of Ryan's acting for heathers but idk I'm in love with Dan's acting it's exactly like you said! His acting is more based on being so lost he spiraled I mean until Heather died he was just doing his own thing but it's after that he behaves far more unhinged and to be very honest, like a God choosing who gets to live and who doesn't, dude 100% needed therapy
I was never a huge fan of Ryan's JD, but to be honest I saw Dan and Jamie first and they ruled that part
honestly! jamie muscato has slightly crept over dan for me as my fave JD, but dan was always my favourite since the beginning - partly because he was the only jd i had a reference for (i could never find any full bootlegs for ryan so i can't really compare his version w theirs). i think both dan and jamie seem more like actual scared, traumatised teenagers becoming more and more unhinged whereas ryan looks too much like a 30 year old playing a high schooler, everything feels a bit more controlled with him - which i guess could be explained by the general view of a "sociopath" (in quotations because it's an outdated term, just can't think of a better way to describe it) being y'know, "fake" and calculated and manipulative - but idk, i like him as JD, but smth about jamie and dan do it better for me. by meant to be yours both of them feel like they've completely snapped and it's brilliant.
@@leilanyx yassss
I love how at the end of dead girl walking reprise when they're wrestling for the gun and it goes off you cant tell who's been shot until JD falls to the ground. Thats always been one of my favourite small details and I hate when other shows don't do it.
One thing that I noticed after watching the movie is that (I am going off of Dans JD) in the movie it seems like jd never really loved veronica, and was just using her from the start, and she realizes this later on in the movie. While in the musical it seems like jd really did love veronica, and him murdering heather, kurt, and ram because he was quite literally crazy for her; and veronica knows this too as she threatens to break up with him because she thinks thats what might get him to stop.
Also the difference in when both jd's found out veronica "unalived" herself. If I am remembering correctly, movie Jd laughed and explained his whole plan to blow up the school and had snuck into her room to unalive her. But when musical jd finds her, he looks genuinly heartbroken, but got over it quick and only fueled him further to blow up the school. Or he pretended to be sad because he knew she wasnt really dead seeing as when she finds him in the broiler room he doesnt seem overly surprised. Depending on how you view that scene in the musical it could change your whole perspective of the storyline.
Last thing I want to mention is the scene just before jd blows up:
In the movie when they say goodbye I think he says "our love is god" (I dont remember exactly) but he says it more sarcastically because he knows that veronica knows what his whole plan was and just the way they say goodbye has a "I'll see you in another life" vibe - which I find a perfect ending of their relationship.
In the musical however their goodbye is a lot more heartfelt, and during the "our love is god" reprise you hear jd sing "Id trade my life for yours, and once I disapear, clean up the mess down here" because he realizes the trauma hes given veronica and thinks that the only way for here and the rest of the town to heal is for him to be gone. While hes singing that you hear veronica sing "oh my god, wait hold on, not this way" because shes realizing what hes doing. I heard this from someone else, but I completely agree with it and just thought I would throw it in, but; when veronica sings "say hi to god" at the end she knows that deep down his heart is in the right place and that she still thinks hes a good guy therefore thinks that he is going to go to heaven. This ending is a little bit more heart clenching, but I wouldnt change a thing about the way the musical finishes off their relationship.
This is just something I realized after the 7th time rewatching the musical, and I thought I would share it. Sorry about the 3 almost 4 paragraphs, and hopefully this makes sense (its nearly 1am and I am not rereading it to make sure it makes sense)
Don’t be sorry lol, that’s an awesome analysis!
NAH YIU JUDT MADE THE WHOLE SCENE REPEAT IN MY MIND AND THE REALIZING IS NAKING ME SHED TEARS IF DAN’S JD AND VERBORINA IN THIS KUSICALETF.
Yeah, Gen X kid here and I totally agree.
I grew up with this iconic film, so it took me longer than it probably should have for me to like this show... even though it's such a good musical, the film is still one of my all time favorites.
Like I get why the musical has Veronica climb through J.D.'s window... it's a different time with a different zeitgeist and so the characters are different. But J.D. climbing through her window is like peak Gen X teen vibe.
And yeah, movie J.D. finding her dead and being like well OK then, off I go to kill everyone... again... PEAK Gen X teen.
They're both awesome... but they are very different. And I think it's just a generation thing... like in the 1st part of this review, Vistilia says that movie Veronica doesn't really react to the deaths... oh no my dear, Veronica is reacting in PEAK Gen X teen! But if you didn't grow up then, I can definitely see how it doesn't look that way. We didn't over emote. We dealt with stuff inside. And I can very much see her reaction.
It's a very interesting generational character study. I dig it.
4:02 Heather; “I’ve thought about killing myself!! :(“
The crowd; “Oohh 😟”
i find it so crazy that at 5:42 j.d's dad is implanting the idea for how j.d himself will try and blow up the school. "you should have seen the fireworks, got it all here on video. loaded the upper floors with
thermals, set the whole thing off with a norwegian in the boiler room. kaboom." this play is amazing
0:32 in the movie he asks her if she took german, she tells him she took french. right after he gave her the Ich Luge line, he was making sure she didnt know
8:30 JD CHANGED FASTER THAN THE LIGHTS
HE LITERALLY DID
the addition of "that blows" when she brings off jd blowing "her off" is phenomenal 😭
hard to believe that anyone else is back on heathers right now
I love Martha’s costume because it reflects how she was still stuck in kindergarten due to Ram
this video has singlehandedly dragged me back into my heathers phase tysm
heehee join me
same , i always dip in and out of my heathers phase
HELP IVE HAD THIS PHASE SINCE LAST YR😅😅😅
The offbway cast of heathers are insanely talented i don’t think they’ve ever found a better cast all around in general after this one
7:00 my friend was really shocked when i told them that kindergarten boyfriend was a s**cide note
Can we just appreciate the full chest voice belted A5? 9:25 that note among others (G#5 in Beautiful, G#5 in Dead Girl Walking, several C#5 and other high belts in other songs) makes Veronica one of the most difficult female roled to play on Broadway imo because most people simply cannot belt that high consistency.
8:36 JD's pew pew pews are my favorite part of the musical
5:10 I don't see people making this correlation very often and it's so worth highlighting it, shine a light reprise is like the result of McNamara's mental state during the musical, is played in a way that shows it's not "real"
(and yet people hate Duke for this, specifically)
This one goes out to everyone who actually APPRECIATES “Kindergarten Boyfriend” because I’ve heard so many people say it’s the one song they skip and I- FUMING 😤
Kindergarten Boyfriend is actually one of my favorites. It's sad how many people I know say they always skip that song.
honestly the high note at the end still impresses me so much bc the "ih" sound in "k*i*ndergarten" is a pretty tough vowel to belt like that
I skip it cause it makes me too sad 😔 it’s an amazing song though!
I can see why people like it but honestly personally i really dislike songs like Kindergarten Boyfriend
Fr! The song I actually amazing and make me sad when I saw her fall off :(
4:21 I'VE REWATCHED THIS SCENE SO MANY TIMES LIKE A YEAR AGO AND YET SEEING IT AGAIN STILL GAVE ME CHILLS????
EXACTLYYYYYY SAME WITH SEVENTEEN, OUR LOVE IS GOD, ETC. ALL THE DRAMATIC SONGS
KINDERGARTEN BOYFRIENDDD TOOOOOOOO
@@bunnyloverplayz1371 YES AGHHHHH THE ACTING IS SO INCREDIBLE
I absolutely love how hyped the actor for JD seemed at the end
Dan’s energy makes me feel hype too
@@Vistelia btw what’s dans last name cause I wanna look him up
@@friendly_dinosaur Domenech!
I also love that part so much I wanna meet him irl he seems like such a cool dude
I love 10:03, the shakiness in his voice is so good I can't help but re-wind.
JD: Veronica, can we kiss?
Veronica: 3 people are dead because of us!
JD: That doesn't really answer my question
Veronica: What the fuck have you done.
JD: I worship you I'd trade my life for yours
Veronica: That doesn't really answer my question.
Where does Dan get all that fkin energy oh my god-
Not just the performance but also in the ending where hes jumping and clapping so aggressively and high fiving people.
He did JD such justice in his performence.
5:37 i never noticed that seventeen is playing in the background here now i'm really crying
OMG YEAH
9:45- FORGET THE SCREAM- JD'S FACE- I JUST NOTICED IT
Someone might’ve already pointed this out but I will never get over how Veronica and Heather move completely in sync at 2:35 it’s such a good detail
SAMEEEE I LOVE THAT PART AND WHEN I SAW ANOTHER VERSION AT ONE POINT WHERE THEY DIDN’T DO THAT I NOTICED IT IMMEDIATELY AND WAS SO SAD
2:32 Not Martha being homophobic-
Also whoever played Fleming KILLED IT
EVERYONE IN THIS SHOW IS SO TALENTED SO IS THE ORCHESTRA
Martha wasn’t being homophobic, she had a crush on ram for 10+ years and so she was in denial that she was gay. I’m sure eventually she’ll realise that he is, indeed, gay gay homosexual gay.
i think she said that because she thought ram gave her that letter
@@Tessa839 I mean he wasn’t actually
my sister’s only flex is one that most heathers fans would LITERALLY KILL FOR. so when she went to see heathers, her fave song is meant to be yours. so she was singing it PASSIONATELY and the guy playing jd saw this, and APPARENTLY HE LOOKED HER RIGHT IN THE EYE AS HE WAS PERFORMING AND SMILED AT HER. LIKE.. WHAT
my friend/old castmate saw heathers on off-broadway
at that particular performance, barrett accidentally cut her arm during dgw and was half dying onstage
while my friend was dying laughing in the audience
*this said friend of mine is now playing veronica at her university and karma may strike soon*
Not a flex. That's just rude. Let the performers perform and the viewers view.
I don’t know who I got this from, but someone said that Veronica always saw the good in people, and by saying: “say hi to god” she truly believed JD still had good in him and could go to heaven or something isk
Heather's will always be my favorite musical. Beautiful vocals, great characters, and especially how it's the perfect mix of funny and super dark. I always loved how the handled the darker themes and showed just how genuinely fucked up a lot of the things going on were. Loved the movie, but the musical just did the emotion justice. The best part is the constant reminder that thESE ARE 17 YEAR OLDS. THEYRE KIDS(ish)
i think we forgot to point out that when veronica is telling martha off, shes standing in the same pose as heather, trying to immitate her. at 2:46 theyre standing right by each other in the same pose. UNNOTICED DETAILS
11:30 This exact frame is when a teenage movie ends: With a picture of everyone jumping and doing cool poses.
5:25 im so happy other people saw that cool little fact/easter egg!
4:56 it was at this moment she knew, SHE FUCKED UP
8:05 my humor is so broken I laugh at this 😭
IM SORRY BUT THE WAY DAN SAID 'ALL IS FORGIVEN BABY' AT 8:02 IS JUST SO FUNNY LMAO
how is noone talking about the fact that Veronica and Heather synced their poses at 2:50 which shows that Veronica is getting more like Heather?! it's soooo good
5:01 Imagine being bullied by someone who is shorter than you, ego and popularity is everything it seems
I liked Duke at first because I would look at her and say "oh poor girl.. :c" and after Heather's death "I take it back"
I really like the movie version more. She just doesn't seem to have a personality in the musical but that's what makes her character I guess lol
I can't get over the fact that Ram and Kurt are in their underwear the whole time they're dead. Just a bit of continuity that I'm here for.
1:00 also veronica is the only one in there that is not wearing black, i think that means something (or not) but i can't really think of why
7:45 LITERAL CHILLS.
IT’S SO TRUE Martha isn’t there at all for shine a light because she runs off! I played Martha over the summer and it made me so sad thinking about it, but also my good friend played Fleming so I got to vibe backstage and watch them perform
Fun fact: For the movie they were gonna let JD blow up the school but they thought it was too dark so they gave it a happy ending! This movie and musical could’ve ended SO MUCH WORSE
A HAPPY ENDING??? BRO DIES
This is a joke btw
Dead girl walking reprise honestly is the best song in the show like meant to be yours is a masterpiece and a close second but goddamit its so good
3:30 that's so darcc why did I laugh so hard lololol
When you think about it, Veronica accidentally confessing to the murders is kind of similar to the ending of American Psycho in a way. The ending hints that if your on the top, it doesn't matter what you do or what you confess to, everyone is the same and no one will believe you (the ending is interpreted in different ways, this one was just kind of similar to Veronica's accidental confession).
the fact that i automatically said "oh she's screwed" at 6:19
0:22 i think in the movie Veronica acts apathic of Ram and Kurt death 'cause she didn't know how to react, she burns herself with the cigarette shor after, to try feel something and JD just lights his cigarette in her burns, as she crawls up to him... i believe in the movie she goes into shock, while in the musical she is more reactive
I SWEAR I'VE FALLEN BACK TO HEATHERS MODE ALL OVER AGAIN AND I'M IN FOR IT😭✨
Join the club!
1:39 I SHOULDN'T HAVE LAUGHED 💀
I CAN’T 😭
6:07 why does this seen have me simping so much for JD(and Dan a lil :P)
I mean the whole musical does but especially here when he says “I love you!”
FRR
3:41 WHY DID HE START JUST SHAKING THE LIGHTS (JD)
One of my own favorite details is during the scene where Martha thinks Kurt and Ram were murdered, her mouth is still moving while Kurt and Ram are talking, showing that she's still trying to explain her thought process but Veronica is zoning out and can't concentrate on her. Honestly the amount of little background details are so cool, I notice something new everytime I watch it!
0:55 I feel like they attended their funeral just for this. Idk how they knew it was gonna a happen, but they deff did
I absolutely love how JD reacts to seeing Veronica after he seen her faking her death, thinking she really died because instead of reacting like 'Holy shit. How the fuck are you here?' He reacts like it's a normal(ish) Tuesday.
8:47 what mom bro
I was absolutely flabbergasted at this 💀-
One of my favorite parts is during Shine a Light when they all do the different poses, JD starts absolutely slaying the poses
the foreshadowing in heathers is so amazing istg its a masterpiece, it’s probably my favourite musical that originated from a movie
8:51 HEATHER MC HAS. HER. POMPONS.
i’m pretty sure i saw a clip of barrett talking about when the tic tacs spewed all over the stage so i believe it was tic tacs yeah
these videos point out so many things i didn’t even realize and they r so cool omg you’re so good at making these keep it up 👍:D
i also love the orchestra shoutout, i love dissecting and breaking down the meanings of instrument use etc in musicals, i play flute and i’d really like to work at a theater as a local musician when i’m older :D
7:23 oke but the shirtless boys really said "im wearing socks its a sign that I'm not gay"💀💀💀💀💀
PLEASE NOT BARRETT DOING THE HSM JUMP AT THE END- I want to be in a run of Heathers so badly, like a local theatre or something
11:20 SAME THIS IS WHAT I DO
I'm DOING THAT RN XD
Meant to be yours is just a perfection of a villain song dammit
JD litterally says “I Love You” whilst…
HOLDING A LOADED GUN!
I kinda wish they made Heather d join the group at the end like it does in the west end version to show the whole thing of forgiveness and moving on
2:48
notice how heather and veronica are in the same pose
after how veronica just treated martha, she essentially was being "that bitch."
That bitch being heather.
THE EXPLOSION WHEN THE BOMB WENT OF WAS SO REALISTIC IT WAS JUST 🤌🏻
10:15 THE LAUGH FROM THE CROWD SOUNDS LIKE MY DIRECTOR WTF MISTA C WHEN DID YOU SEE HEATHERS?
i can confirm that tic tacs are great substitutes for pills in theater 😌
8:18 Jamie musvato is in my opinion the best at this song
You should do a heathers outta context 😂😂😂
I support this idea
Yesss
I would TOTALLY sing Seventeen
JD popping out and saying “knock knock” Was terrifying omg
I don't care if its with a complete stranger, if I could duet Seventeen with someone my life would reach its peak
Here you go. This guy is so much fun to virtually duet with th-cam.com/video/HE4VRxW7d2A/w-d-xo.html
WHY WAS THE END SO CUTE
IT HAD NO RIGHT TO MAKE ME CRY
holy smokes i never noticed it before but you can see these different coloured silhouettes of jd around 9:54, one being red and another being blue
but around 10:00 when he starts singing about his love for her, you can see that the red silhouette is gone
i think that's likely some sort of hint towards how some part of (musical) JD really did love her, past all the twisted homicidal tendencies which disappear in his knowing last moments of sacrificing himself for veronica
god i love this show
JD pointing a gun at Veronica gave Nate Jacobs vibes
Used to listen to heathers on Spotify in middle school, but haven’t really since then. Wasn’t expecting to cry watching this lmao but I did
i’m literally alone in my bed watching this at midnight and fangirling over dan
I turned 17 earlier this year in March, and I was sitting with all my friends watching stuff and listening to stuff as celebration, and we had it queued up that when it hit midnight for me and would officially be my birthday, Seventeen (Reprise) would start playing. That was a pretty damn special moment and I wouldn’t have started that day off any other way =]
You could really say JD went out with the bang
I never noticed Dan high fiving the audience. That's so nice
the way you mentioned that martha isnt there in shine a light then immediately went to ms fleming absolutely slaying 💀
ok, who else ships Heather M and Veronica, because, like, every single one of their interactions is so cute and heartwarming, I just can't get over it!
One thing I noticed that I don't think was added is in 'Yo Girl' when Veronicas parents talk about her depression and "her note".
Heather Chandler says, "he's got your handwriting down cold" and when Veronica and J.D are writing Heather Chandlers letter, J.D is looking over Veronicas shoulder for most of the time while she writes. He picked up her handwriting THAT quick.
THE HEATHERS SOUNDTRACK IS JUST- *chefs kiss*
thanks for part two, time for me to full fledged get back in this fandom now THANKS LSHDSKDH
something i noticed as well:
10:23 - in the very first song of the musical (Beautiful) veronica and martha were talking about how they were gonna watch the princess bride. their conversation goes like this:
martha: we on for movie night?
veronica: yeah, youre on jiffy pop detail
martha: i rented the PRINCES BRIDE
veronca: oh ho ho, again? wait, i thought you had it memorized??
martha: what can i say, *i'm a sucker for a happy ending.*
the "are there any happy endings?" line is a reference to the "i'm a sucker for happy endings" line.
another thing i noticed, earlier on, at 2:50 , veronica really shows how she's become a heather by doing the pose. *sigh*
I cried when Veronica siad “say hi to god” bc I just Imagine Jd like *emotions crushed*
barrett excitedly jumping in the end always makes me so so happy I love this musical so much