Four Tactics No-One Uses Anymore

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  • @bonuz1129
    @bonuz1129 ปีที่แล้ว +1688

    The decrease of dribbly wingers and long shot takers are arguably the saddest meta-changes in football 😢

    • @SimoNemo7
      @SimoNemo7 ปีที่แล้ว +97

      I stopped watching football after Robben retired and nobody does long elegant passes like Pirlo did. Game has changed yes, but it’s not as good as it used to be

    • @bot6349
      @bot6349 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      but there are just as many if not more GOALS from long shots so that's a good thing. I'd rather see less missed long shots tbh

    • @user-en7js5ow1v
      @user-en7js5ow1v ปีที่แล้ว +9

      There’s Mitoma for u😉

    • @marcobiraghi
      @marcobiraghi ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@SimoNemo7 KDB has some long passes like Pirlo though

    • @enzotansingco2199
      @enzotansingco2199 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      I’m saddened how when a ball is headed out and lands with someone on the edge of the box, the default setting is now to recycle possession and rebuild rather than leather it and go for glory.

  • @CallMeUG
    @CallMeUG ปีที่แล้ว +2418

    The one that hurts me badly is the lack of long shots. It's sad

    • @rotua98
      @rotua98 ปีที่แล้ว +316

      probably has to do with how the game is now is quicker and with the defender now press higher and more aggressive leave no room to shoot freely
      i watched Scholes goals video by United and Premeir league a week ago, he is famous for his long shoot goal, and most of that video, defender looks clueless and not attempting to block it at all

    • @espenpaulsen428
      @espenpaulsen428 ปีที่แล้ว +132

      Remember when Scholes or Gerrard got the ball outside the box and hammered it, you dont see that anymore.

    • @JamJamIU
      @JamJamIU ปีที่แล้ว +54

      Valverde long shots

    • @12thMandalorian
      @12thMandalorian ปีที่แล้ว +138

      Blame Pep, his football has almost spoilt the fun of football

    • @tjfootball1908
      @tjfootball1908 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@JamJamIUyeap

  • @gentleken7864
    @gentleken7864 ปีที่แล้ว +824

    My primary school in the 80s used to play a 2-3-5. We had a right back, left back, left mid, centre mid, right mid, left wing, right wing, centre forward, inside right and inside left. No central defenders. Needless to say, we scored loads and only lost one game in three years, when that team realised we had no centre backs.

    • @oslonorway547
      @oslonorway547 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Care to tell in what country or city this occurred, so we don't always assume it's usually a South American thing?

    • @kumbaya69421
      @kumbaya69421 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is Jose mourinho if he was not a PUSSIO

    • @Savagekon
      @Savagekon ปีที่แล้ว +316

      We used to play 0-0-11

    • @olamidesuleiman7423
      @olamidesuleiman7423 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      @@Savagekonthe only way😂😂😂

    • @Savagekon
      @Savagekon ปีที่แล้ว

      @@olamidesuleiman7423 fr

  • @nsoper19
    @nsoper19 ปีที่แล้ว +706

    Leicester won the league with a 442 in 2016 which was pretty incredible. They did have kante though who might as well be 3 midfielders

    • @Maniacility
      @Maniacility ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Don't forget the 12th man official all season too

    • @undertaker4476
      @undertaker4476 ปีที่แล้ว

      fake statement@@Maniacility

    • @mattsmith4589
      @mattsmith4589 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      😭😂😂💀😭 Facts Kante energy is unmatched

    • @Deathmare235
      @Deathmare235 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@Maniacilitylet’s not act like ateletico Madrid needed the ref’s help to beat a recently promoted premier league team

    • @danielwarren3138
      @danielwarren3138 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@Maniacility can't say I recall the refs loving Leicester that season

  • @SUPRFC
    @SUPRFC ปีที่แล้ว +399

    Tifo: This tactic is dying
    Also Tifo: This is why this same tactic is not dying

    • @BwalyaHiggins-es3cw
      @BwalyaHiggins-es3cw 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It means hope that this tactics will make a comeback

    • @kamo7293
      @kamo7293 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      here's a person who doesn't understand nuance

    • @SUPRFC
      @SUPRFC 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@kamo7293It's not "tactics that no one uses" if they are actually decently common.

  • @za5528
    @za5528 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    This drives home why that 2009-12 Barcelona team was so revolutionary. They were maybe most responsible for killing all of these tactics. Short corners, fewer long shots trying to always pass their way into a better shot, ball-playing keeper refusing to kick it upfield and played to their CBs, focus on holding possession even as a defensive tactic, focus on technical play over athleticism, pressing upfield out of possession were all ideas that I remember people thought were a little bit insane at the time but are all conventional wisdom down to the bottom clubs now

    • @T8RZTOTZ
      @T8RZTOTZ ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Thank Pep Guardiola for this!

    • @whodiss4473
      @whodiss4473 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yeah, Barcelona were a great team with great players. It confuses me when bottom half premier league teams, and even championship and league 1 teams try constantly playing out from the back and to take short corners though.

  • @DavidTMUFC
    @DavidTMUFC ปีที่แล้ว +126

    My mind: "time to revive these on Football Manager!"

  • @chiedoziemadukwe9792
    @chiedoziemadukwe9792 ปีที่แล้ว +418

    Wow. All four tactics are primarily used by Real Madrid this season. Ancelotti plays the 4 4 2 formation, with most of the direct corners goals scored from long corners, with a lot of long shots from Valverde, Rudiger, Tchouameni, and Kroos, and long out balls from the Keepers.

    • @kono5933
      @kono5933 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      He's that football manager player who tries to win with the dumbest tactics possible

    • @andrekim9597
      @andrekim9597 ปีที่แล้ว +171

      Well, if it works for his players, it's not that dumb.

    • @kono5933
      @kono5933 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@andrekim9597 yep

    • @Coach-rq6jx
      @Coach-rq6jx ปีที่แล้ว +61

      I noticed that too.Carlo Ancelotti is a legend, rules don't apply to the golden boy😅

    • @athos5761
      @athos5761 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      ​@@kono5933and how many champions leagues has he won? 🤫

  • @stanyamish3996
    @stanyamish3996 ปีที่แล้ว +153

    For corner kicks, in French, we sometimes call the short corners "corner à la rémoise". It refers to the Stade de Reims from the 50's which didn't have tall players. So, it was useless to try direct corner kicks and did short ones. Which shows that tactics are a cycle and maybe in 40 years, the 4-4-2 or WM might return.

    • @thesuomi8550
      @thesuomi8550 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Pep has literally used WM

    • @dinoperta3576
      @dinoperta3576 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      WM is back.

    • @MellowEnzo
      @MellowEnzo ปีที่แล้ว +9

      the WM has already returned

    • @PEROgamer25-pk7xm
      @PEROgamer25-pk7xm ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Last season the WM returned

    • @felagundfinrod9223
      @felagundfinrod9223 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wow that is such an interesting insight

  • @MuddyRavine
    @MuddyRavine ปีที่แล้ว +142

    I've often thought keepers smashing the ball upfield was crazy, it essentially becomes a 50-50 ball. The short throws and kicks to a nearby teammate is refreshing. Its nice to see teams actually trying to keep the ball when they are given a chance to play with it.... it's mine, you can't have it!

    • @steve10
      @steve10 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      I think if you are the underdogs that 50% chance of the ball dropping and resulting in a good chance is probably better than the play it out possession build up and lose the ball type.
      The chances of the ball being in your half and losing possession resulting in a great chance have to be higher if you are the underdogs.
      I think direct football can work ax long as you don't go 80s long ball.
      If you look back at Wimbledon they only used long ball and it worked.
      I watched my team the villa try to play out the back when we were poor in the Premier league and the ball literally goes nowhere before they panic and just get rid up field , if I was a manager of Burnley I would still keep a strong structured 4-4-2 , it helps defensively and some direct passing gets the ball in the opponents half , and that's where you want it.
      I'd love to see the stats though and be proved wrong , it would be interesting to know if my theory is drastically wrong 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

    • @Allah_Snackbar
      @Allah_Snackbar ปีที่แล้ว +3

      There's a lot you aren't taking into consideration

    • @achimsinn6189
      @achimsinn6189 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The issue with playing the ball out is that if you lose it doing so you'll likely give away a very good chance for scoring as the other team is already close to your box and your players are out of their defensive position. I don't advocate for smashing the ball long, but I am all for playing the ball forward to your midfielders fast in order to not only have possesion, but also keep it a bit further away from your own goal. And of course at the same time, this means you're also closer the the opponents goal which means you can create chances for yourself.

    • @alexisauld7781
      @alexisauld7781 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There are ways to use a longer kick out with the right players, and it makes for more entertaining football than watching a team going dink-dink-dink-dink-dink in some perverse zombie preservation of "shiti-crappa" for ten minutes. XD

  • @david__5780
    @david__5780 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    i would say that depending on what you define a formation as, you could even argue that the 442 is still the most used "formation" in football. most top clubs still press and defend in a 442 shape (City, Arsenal, Barca, Bayern etc). and football is too dynamic and fluid to objectively define what a formation represents offensively. maybe 442 isnt as common in its classical form (long ball, defensive, relying on counter attacking), but its still here and its a very important shape

    • @donkosaurus
      @donkosaurus ปีที่แล้ว +3

      how teams set up to defend is definitely how formations should be defined as
      it's only the past few years where a select number of teams have had significant amounts of possession, that anything else has been considered. this recent fad makes no sense as it never accounts for full back or wingers advancing, or forwards dropping deep, only obsessing about when defenders step into midfield

  • @YevOnegin
    @YevOnegin ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Long shots aren't more effective because of an increase in the quality of the shots, they're more effective because goalkeepers are no longer simply "shot stoppers". They tend to be well-rounded when compared to previous decades for build up play, and so the De Gea's of the world are being signed less due to the trend of playing out from the back. Its similar to how Target Men are a thing again, not because of some ingenuous new use of them, but because defenders tend to be shorter, faster and less strong than they used to be, after 20 years of every team playing a false 9 and to counter the increase in wide goal threats, which itself was a response to there being extra space out wide due to the increase in fullbacks being used primarily in offense. Everything is a reaction, and none of it is improvement. The only thing thats improved is fitness levels, and thats more down to chemical improvements than anything else.

    • @sasnam
      @sasnam ปีที่แล้ว +8

      this deserves more likes.

    • @noaworldTM
      @noaworldTM ปีที่แล้ว +2

      W take

  • @tdyerwestfield
    @tdyerwestfield ปีที่แล้ว +73

    This current season is the 23-24 season btw, not 22-23 as stated several times in this video.

    • @msdd7610
      @msdd7610 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      yeah, that really bugged me

    • @thesixfilms2734
      @thesixfilms2734 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No I think he did that because this season hasn’t ended so u can’t make stat off it
      But I get he should have just said last season

  • @ianodonoghue7299
    @ianodonoghue7299 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Growing up seeing a winger beat the full back to cross to the strikers head was the default way to score.
    The best example was Keith Gillespie against Barcelona when he tore Sergi a new one

    • @artvandelay3922
      @artvandelay3922 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Gillespie was incredible

  • @ZeezyTop
    @ZeezyTop ปีที่แล้ว +148

    Four tactics that are slightly less popular than a decade ago

    • @StillAwesome21
      @StillAwesome21 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Lol, the 4-4-2 is not "slightly less popular", now that Atletico play differently it's basically dead, atleast in international club football. 😂

    • @bungaIowbill
      @bungaIowbill ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@StillAwesome21 Well, it's more accurate than saying that no one uses long corners when 80% of corners are long

    • @cyn1clcynide
      @cyn1clcynide ปีที่แล้ว +10

      ​@@StillAwesome21It is still a very good formation out of possession, just not used as much going forward.

  • @respectedgentleman4322
    @respectedgentleman4322 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    It keeps the game fresh to think that there is no perfect way of doing it and you need to trial new and even to bring back long forgotten ideas.

    • @RocketRenton
      @RocketRenton ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No one whould have thought the amount of different formations like 3-4-2-1 and 3-4-1-2 being used even in League Two and One 30 years ago.
      The game has changed a lot and I agree it keeps things fresh, that's why Pep has changed once again to a 4-2-5 using Ederson as a sweeper keeper, and won everything with a 3-2-4-1 last year, which is a 3-6-1 or 3-4-3 box midfield, inspired by Cryuff from Barcelona during the time Pep was playing for him.
      Van Gaal also used 3-4-3 in 95, and Venables during Euro 96, a 3-4-2-1 system. Hoddle was a 3-5-2 man.

    • @noaworldTM
      @noaworldTM ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RocketRentonI heard Pep’s 3-2-4-1 was styled after an old school 2-3-5

  • @Viewer41
    @Viewer41 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    4:51
    I'm willing to bet less goals were scored from outside the box in that season because fans weren't around to shout "SHOOT" every time a player got close to the box! 😅

  • @stijn2010d
    @stijn2010d ปีที่แล้ว +59

    I miss the tactic where teams just didn't have a set goalie and just have the gloves in the box, whatever player grabbed and wore them got to handball without a penalty.

  • @toraqi8225
    @toraqi8225 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    The 4-4-2 became very popular in Spain after Atlético's success with it, and it is probably the most effective defensive formation out of possession. The difference between 4-2-3-1 and 4-4-2 is really not that big, and there's also been teams that have played hybrid 3-5-2/4-4-2 or 4-3-3/4-4-2 systems depending on the phase of play. With how fluid formations are nowadays I think it is a massive stretch to say that the 4-4-2 is dying out.

    • @Gonzalo_105
      @Gonzalo_105 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      isnt 4-2-3-1 a 4-5-1?

  • @naughtybynature999
    @naughtybynature999 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I liked the analysis of the shots outside the box in comparison with goals outside the box. I think they eye test supports this as well. Attacking players are marksmen outside the box more than ever before. They are so precise and can get the shot off one step ahead of the defender. its really efficient and shows how much the game has evolved.

  • @uncreative5766
    @uncreative5766 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I'm so glad this video was uploaded. I saw the article sent to my email, but I was sadly blocked by a paywall.

  • @subutaynoyan5372
    @subutaynoyan5372 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Long shots are being curtailed because of how rigid defences are. Odds are your shot will bounce from the defence and just end up as a loss.
    Also, an awkward rebound could give your opponent a free ball to transition into a counter attack which is very dangerous.
    Reckless shots against solid defences can create a defencive problem so teams avoid it more

  • @gibospartan6185
    @gibospartan6185 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    In terms of goalkeepers going long. Newcastle were effective doing that last season. Kick it long and if you lose the ball, win it back straight away, regaining possession in a advantageous area.

  • @goodpeopleoftheworldunite
    @goodpeopleoftheworldunite 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Martin O'niel played 3-5-2 alot at Celtic, and scored ALOT of goals from corners and set pieces. 2 'go at it' fast wingers, into 2 strikers. There's not much at all of this (or other) types of attacking setups now.
    Brazils attacking formation of old, used up until maybe 2002, was a joy to watch. 2-3-5 effectively, with the 2 full backs being the line wingers, and goals aplenty 🤌
    Football is generally alot more cautious, and less enjoyable to watch these days, I'd say.
    Its become more towards the classic italian stifling method, and less classic Brazilian, 'if you score 3, well score 5' style.

  • @108u9
    @108u9 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Harry Kane trying to spark the long shot from outside the box revival.
    From outside the country.
    From outside the half.

    • @cyn1clcynide
      @cyn1clcynide ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Euro 2016 flashbacks😂

    • @kjn3350
      @kjn3350 ปีที่แล้ว

      So that's what he was trying to do during the World Cup quarter final!

    • @goodpeopleoftheworldunite
      @goodpeopleoftheworldunite 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      From outside the silverware

  • @shaneemanuelle6243
    @shaneemanuelle6243 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I can never imagine the majority of amateur teams moving away from 4-4-2. So simple for those of us who just turn up on the weekend

  • @SuperMickyChow
    @SuperMickyChow ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dunno where Opta get their stats, but Luton use a 523 or 343 this season.
    We've only used 442 as a tactical change after substitutions part way through one game, that I can recall.
    A quick look at the team sheets for the fixtures so far confirms this.

  • @omjii1495
    @omjii1495 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Watching City - Liverpool today I was in awe of the amount of city players that rotate in and out of the wide spaces.
    Can you please make a video on how City creates width without using traditional 'wide players' in defence?

  • @Anuitu2u
    @Anuitu2u 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hats off to anybody that dedicated their time to take a note of every single statistics of a game, instead of enjoy the game. Even if it's a job, that's still marvelous.

  • @cmul7651
    @cmul7651 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    There's a set piece tactic from corners (not totally sure what it is) where the end result is the cross doesn't get past the first man, I wish teams would stop using it.

  • @aubreydebruyn84
    @aubreydebruyn84 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Each of the statistics are referencing different periods. This makes it difficult to observe a trend. When comparing the change in percentages basis points might consideration.

  • @tdyerwestfield
    @tdyerwestfield ปีที่แล้ว +13

    4-4-2 certainly isn't dead, both Guardiola and Arteta played 4-4-2 when out of possession last season.

  • @frangotino
    @frangotino ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "Four Tactics No-One Uses Anymore"
    proceeds to list four tactics that are still in wide use

  • @zxmoore1
    @zxmoore1 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It’s simply a case of possession soccer. In that, keeping the ball on your teams feet as long as you can until you get as close to the goal as possible to shoot. 1. 4-4-2 lacks three midfield players and loses midfield battle. Todays game is won or lost in the midfield. 2. Corners have become less effective as crosses in general have been slowly abandoned. Also, a cross no longer maintains possession, rather a 50/50 ball. 3. Long shots take away the chance of possession, especially if, your goal is to get as close as possible to shoot to create greater chances at goal. 4. Keepers passing long is much like the idea of corners in that once the ball leaves your feet, especially in a long distance pass, the ball becomes 50/50. Instead, teams like City choose to keep possession and work out of the back. Or for instance, replace Joe Hart for Ederson for Hart’s inability to play the diagonal ball to the outside back on the touch line (which mind you is the most difficult ball to play in soccer). The game has changed and evolved and until teams, like City, no longer find success in possession, the game and those in it will find more and more ways to keep the ball on their feet.

  • @sunilprajapati6377
    @sunilprajapati6377 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Am i tripping or this is 2023-24 season? The video says this season but displays 2022-23 season.

    • @gibsonhooper1157
      @gibsonhooper1157 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      They have full data for last season compared to only a third of this seadon

    • @T.E.S.S.
      @T.E.S.S. ปีที่แล้ว

      obviously, but he still said 22-23 is "this season" @@gibsonhooper1157

    • @ianmacfarlane1241
      @ianmacfarlane1241 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If you are tripping, take the day off and enjoy yourself...

    • @msdd7610
      @msdd7610 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gibsonhooper1157 yeah but why do they call 2022-23 the current season when it's last season

  • @Reck
    @Reck ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Curious to see GK's pass completion numbers for this season AFTER the winter months.

  • @teenagefc
    @teenagefc ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’d love to see stats on the % of ineffective corner kicks…with ineffective being a kick that a) doesn’t clear the first defender 2) goes of play or 3) goes way over the pack. And then which teams or players are the worst or best at taking corner kicks

  • @jmhimara
    @jmhimara 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Curious, where does one get the raw data for these kinds of analysis? Is there a database available somewhere?

  • @Alex-cw3rz
    @Alex-cw3rz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I recently watched some highlights from the 1970s and the ball was kept in the air much more than today every pass the ball would leave the ground same with most of the goals, obviously disadvantage is slower but the advantage is that interception from feet is harder. I do feel like a team that brought it back would probably do quite well for a bit as it would be so unexpected

  • @encorefootball
    @encorefootball ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1) Less use of 4-4-2 (except Ancelotti's diamond formation, which works properly)
    2a) Decrease of traditional corners, where a long cross attempts to reach a target man. It's logical because defenders are much better clearing headers
    2b) Fewer dribble attempts. Instead wingers and no 10s like Mount & Griezmann focus on pressing and annoying defenders trying to pass put from the back
    3) Fewer long range shots. Logical to pass the ball into better xG scoring positions, but damn I miss watching Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard, Toure or Juninho going for glory from 30 yards.
    4) Fewer long balls from GKs. It's logical to make the goalie more precise with his passing. Onana, on the contrary, dawdles too much on the ball and frustrates his team-mates. De Gea was arguably more effective in that his colleagues knew what to expect rather than guess

  • @nathanielknight1838
    @nathanielknight1838 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    it's not that long-range shooting is ineffective, it's that it's mostly done by the wrong people, especially after corners, some CB blasts the ball into the stand. If it's de Bruyne, that long-range shot is desirable.

    • @thierryhenry674
      @thierryhenry674 ปีที่แล้ว

      Long range shooting is ineffective.
      Ask KDB if he took 1000 shots from the 6 yard box, and 1000 shots from 40 yards out, how many would resulted into a goal?

  • @Alex-cw3rz
    @Alex-cw3rz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I knew my short corners playing fifa 07 was visionary

  • @ThePengfish
    @ThePengfish ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Football tactics will continue to evolve, shift and go in circles. And at no point in time will I ever believe that short corners are better ha

    • @thierryhenry674
      @thierryhenry674 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Short corner is way better

    • @edwardking9359
      @edwardking9359 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@thierryhenry674Not inherently, it's only really good as one option of a few from a corner. You need the threat of a corner whipped into the box in order for a short corner to be as effective as it is.

    • @thierryhenry674
      @thierryhenry674 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@edwardking9359
      You want to be a great team, great team have more technical players, technical players are usually short.
      Long corner is less than 50/50 if you have short players. Even if you have big players, it’s still only just 50/50. Short corner is 100% possession, which you can create chances from it.

  • @danielfersbeanto7942
    @danielfersbeanto7942 ปีที่แล้ว

    This just prove how more careful and meticulous teams play nowadays, we rarely saw wingers goes dancing on the flanks now, they just back pass to the fullback recycle to the midfield goes to the other side and so on

  • @joachimschmidt7662
    @joachimschmidt7662 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Four tactics that are genuinely not in use; slingshot into dutch rush press. AC Milan offside trap on the playmaker from a pressing trigger. Libero crashing zone 14. Spalleti playing five midfielders, just one winger (Mancini) and Totti as a CAM; effectively a team with no striker. Haven't seen this done since, i dont believe. If you don't believe this, halftime oranges, orFood poisoning as matchday preparation. 10s evaporating doesnt count, because david silva.

    • @axelpalsson516
      @axelpalsson516 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you, this I wanted to see, not tactics that are slightly less used today than 10 years ago

  • @Ingenuity009
    @Ingenuity009 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In a way i think players confidence is low. Thats why no ones taking shots from outside the box.

  • @tohirarifin7497
    @tohirarifin7497 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    one of my fav football tactic channel

  • @arthurahabwe1301
    @arthurahabwe1301 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The classic number 10 is also another position dying out. I think Messi is the only world class number 10 left. Unless you want to count Dybala as world class.

    • @randomperson9732
      @randomperson9732 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Müller

    • @mohdehtesham8357
      @mohdehtesham8357 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@randomperson9732 No, he's not a classic 10, he's a Reumatedeur, someone who makes space, Muller himself has talked about this.

    • @vish3510
      @vish3510 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's funny because there are still 10's being produced very very effectively, just that they are now combined creative 8's for their better overall game

    • @frieswilliams9199
      @frieswilliams9199 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fernandes 😂

    • @MichaelChuksEdeogu
      @MichaelChuksEdeogu ปีที่แล้ว

      Bellingham or musiala

  • @Namorat
    @Namorat 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wait? "Tactics no-one uses anymore" -> 80 percent still do?

  • @krishanudutta06
    @krishanudutta06 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is an error in the Long shots segment. 2020-21 season in particular. Timestamp - 5:00-5:05.

  • @andypitkin9051
    @andypitkin9051 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    They should return to the goalkeepers wearing tracksuit bottoms.

  • @happyh2582
    @happyh2582 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    However, long-range shooters are always welcome. Being a threat outside the box can draw more attention and pressure from your opponents, giving your teammates more space.

  • @bimapriyoanugerah363
    @bimapriyoanugerah363 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hope one team implement all of this and win their continent competition

  • @FlosBlog
    @FlosBlog 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think that tracks with the observation that top teams do not make simple plays anymore

  • @maurobrandao5192
    @maurobrandao5192 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like this format better than seeing a guy or two guys trying to explain it

  • @BryanBagehi
    @BryanBagehi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Real Madrid has been using the 4-4-2 (or a variation of it) often this year, and it seems to be working.

  • @nathanngumi8467
    @nathanngumi8467 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great insights! I am a nerd for data!

  • @zsac18
    @zsac18 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The fact players aren't taking wide open long shots is a very frustrating thing to watch in football. If anything, it would open up the game even more because you'll keep the defense on edge on whether you're intending on playing a final ball or going straight for goal

  • @sirkjohno0129
    @sirkjohno0129 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The common denomonator with all these seems to me that teams are more keen to retain possession than take on the potential risks that can make the difference between either winning or losing matches.

  • @omadduxo
    @omadduxo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The 4-4-2 never got out of fashion.
    1.) because the just mentioned 4-2-3-1 is nothing but a 4-4-2 with the deeplying forward just starting from a slightly deeper position instead of dropping back to midfield from a higher position. Teams are using this method to get a striker free between the lines since the modern era of football and it became very popular when Arsene Wenger used the clear 4-2-3-1 at Arsenal with Bergkamp as an offensive #10 instead of a dropping forward.
    2.) many teams attack in a 4-4-2 shape starting from a different formation. Eintracht Frankfurt und Dino Toppmöller builds up from a 3-5-2 formation with 3-box-x buildup but switches to a 4-4-2 in attack and during transition after losing the ball. Also mostly defending in a 4-4-2 when the opponent has the ball until the ball reaches the final third and Frankfurt switches to a 5-4-1 defensive formation.
    In attack the right wingback behaves like a traditional attacking wing in a 4-4-2 and the right centreback covers his back (think about the Beckham/Neville relationship).

  • @redinkcinema
    @redinkcinema ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the title doesn;t correspond with the video itself, although i liked it a lot. just thought it's gonna be about "W" and other tactics from the past (50s-70s). There were A LOT of forgotten ideas

  • @theeddychua
    @theeddychua ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Liverpool last weekend: what did you say about long shots again?

  • @pranavpisupati4953
    @pranavpisupati4953 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is only for EPL. You should do something for Serie A and Bundesliga

  • @ebenezerjakaza
    @ebenezerjakaza 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man this is well researched

  • @danielsantarosa101
    @danielsantarosa101 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The 4-2-3-1 is just a pedantic way to express the 4-3-3, and the 4-3-3 was the main tactic before the 4-4-2. So, it is somewhat cyclical. It is being used again in Brazil.
    As for short corners, I hate those. They fail even more than traditional corners. A variation of less than 1% is well within that variation range.
    Long shots are well and alive in Brazil, but some comentators say that teams are taking fewer long shots.
    As for GKs passing long, glad they're changing that, though I do wish the teams with no great passers at defense would stop trying that.

  • @programmer1840
    @programmer1840 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Regarding long shots, you ignore the fact that it's easier to take a long shot as there's more chance of losing the ball the closer you get to the goal.

  • @shesimpsforsammy
    @shesimpsforsammy ปีที่แล้ว

    I can listen to this lad explain all day 😂

  • @dandagames6030
    @dandagames6030 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Title fooled me a bit, i expected a video about some antique tactics from the 1900s nobody has heard of

  • @steve10
    @steve10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The lack of goals from corners has really surprised me , corners are always seen as the chance to get it in the box to score , it actually shows the either the keeper coming to collect or defenders clearing the ball is more successful than the attacking situation provided.
    I thought it would be 1 in 5 corners, but then when you think about it they are kind of rarer than you think.
    It's always interesting to see stats.
    The 4-4-2 obviously has more of a defensive style to it , which is interesting that the 90s and 2000s it was being used , I cant really remember the first manager to come in an be the one to not use it , im sure even Venger used a 4-4-2 but not being an arsenal fan I'm not 100% was it mourinho?? Or was it even earlier , like a Gullit at Chelsea or Vialli

    • @sususegar
      @sususegar ปีที่แล้ว

      This has been written before on The Athletic a few years ago, not really new as it has been known within the professional world for some time now. What I really cannot fathom are fans who still insist on winger simply whipping crosses in, I'd like to see stats on this but I'm very sure goals resulting directly from crosses or immediately from cleared crosses are almost as low as corners.

  • @davidvasey5065
    @davidvasey5065 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I like you mention 23/24 and then later on in the video your calling 22/23 'this season'

  • @Na3tlo
    @Na3tlo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm new to the channel, and I enjoyed the content so much. But who counted the average pass completion for a goalkeeper in 2003-04? When, how? It's so specific and so many matches and passes to consider.

  • @vladstochita1449
    @vladstochita1449 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    4231 really is just a modified 442, with the 10 being seen as an attacking midfielder instead of a striker but still doing the same job essentially

  • @arjunravi3101
    @arjunravi3101 ปีที่แล้ว

    The best tifo video❤❤❤❤

  • @thierry_assamoi
    @thierry_assamoi ปีที่แล้ว

    Where do you get your stats from if you don't mind me asking? I find all this stuff very interesting!

  • @HandsUpforThePanther
    @HandsUpforThePanther 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The problem with not taking long shots. Teams pass around way too much, almost like they are trying to score the perfect goal and it actually hinders themselves

  • @callum2474
    @callum2474 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder if there’s been an increase in goals since the increase to goalkeepers becoming more accurate passers as their training may become less focused on GK fundamentals.

  • @sync232
    @sync232 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I will always use 4-4-2 in FM.

  • @RuiEspinha
    @RuiEspinha ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Typo in the video: Joe says 76% of teams use a 4-2-3-1 and the number that is shown is 38%

  • @NostalgiNorden
    @NostalgiNorden ปีที่แล้ว

    WAs the last point cut short by the editor?

  • @ArchitStark
    @ArchitStark 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where do you get such data from??

  • @sephinaaguilar1120
    @sephinaaguilar1120 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    what dose 442 mean??? if you know then make a vid pls!!!!!!

  • @rodrigofonseca6241
    @rodrigofonseca6241 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The lack of long shots' beauties is due to the abscence of Rúben Neves ;)

  • @12thMandalorian
    @12thMandalorian ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Football was better, more entertaining and fun back in 2010 than it is now

  • @hayychh
    @hayychh ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't think the 4-4-2 is dead, but rather much more ineffective in the modern game

  • @mamchi
    @mamchi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We are leaving a golden generation of football behind. With Messi and Ronaldo leading the charts, it has been arguably one of the most talented generation of football in the last 15 years. When this generation comes to an end the long shots will increase. It already started.

  • @YoungMatt9687
    @YoungMatt9687 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The next video can be about uefa cup winners cup please 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

  • @ekanemikpeme1904
    @ekanemikpeme1904 ปีที่แล้ว

    i think i would attribute the long shot strategy to the decline in midfielders who can accurately shoot from outside and maybe opponents strategy within that range

  • @klogott3462
    @klogott3462 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Long Shots are back, at least in the Euros

  • @steveho342
    @steveho342 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    More than 13% goals scored are from outside of the box
    Tifo football: No one uses longshot anymore

  • @FoobRMann
    @FoobRMann ปีที่แล้ว

    Is a 4-2-3-1 really that different from a 4-4-2?
    If you differential the 2 strikers into primary and secondary and put your outside midfielders a little higher up the pitch on the team sheet, you've turned a 4-4-2 into a 4-2-3-1

  • @NAF1138
    @NAF1138 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Am I wrong to have expected this to be a video about the 2-3-5 or the 4-2-4? Or the traditional sweeper keeper who pops up in the box occasionally?
    This was a fine video, but not really what I was expecting

  • @baradmemarkermani2184
    @baradmemarkermani2184 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please make a video for 4-1-5 tactic

  • @customch33s32
    @customch33s32 ปีที่แล้ว

    Long shots were a good way to get a corner, but now we don't want corners

  • @Ashacarlosalbert
    @Ashacarlosalbert 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can say that, when I play football, its only about short corners for me, be it irl or video games

  • @Goonermenu
    @Goonermenu ปีที่แล้ว

    What tool do you use to make your videos?

  • @rodrigofonseca6241
    @rodrigofonseca6241 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Even the WM can be ressurected if both manager and squad are top notch.

  • @TM.64
    @TM.64 ปีที่แล้ว

    The biggest one for me is the lack of men on posts at corners. I imagine that is just as responsible for increase in corner goals than going short.

  • @ClemsContent
    @ClemsContent ปีที่แล้ว

    I miss watching two teams playing 4-4-2 against each other

  • @anotherelvis
    @anotherelvis 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I saw a lot of long shots in the Euros. How does national team football differ from club football? (Video idea)

  • @sibonisoduma5878
    @sibonisoduma5878 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tifo is dropping everyday like Drake but I ain't complaining.