I really like this build for Torbran it's certainly the kind of classic burn deck that has been missing in commander. I particularly like how he breaks the symmetry of cards like Spellshock and Pyrohemia
Torbran + Mana Barbs is Red's version of stax. Commander loves big mana spells. If you take 3 damage per land you tapped for mana, that will mean you'll be seeing single digits VERY shortly
Hey i loved that you used Furnace o Rrath, togheter with repercussion does two are the ultimate risk/reward enchantments. They are some of my petcards from the old days. Nice deck tech.
I use this someone said what happens when opponents don't have any more enchantments from sacing them. I was like sac itself or eat 1-2 damage If I know my opponent is playing enchant heavy
@@goretoriumgaming8600 yep...besides not many things you can do against enchantments if you are mono red...at least you can hit them or have them sac the enchantment...and in commander there is almost always a target for it
Another interesting angle is Dragons + Sarkhan the Masterless from WotS. That passive makes each dragon it's own damage source MASSIVELY ramping up the danger of swinging in against the deck.
I guess there's experimental frenzy though with downside. Top decking is mostly red's problem. There's sensei's divining top, tectonic reformation for late game, the immortal sun and staff of nin (also deals 1 damage to any player).
Bag of holding is great with red card draw as it tends to be discard to draw or wheels and does it itself, I run Magus of the wheel and reforge the soul, plus faithless looting, tormenting voices, etc. Plus the goblin that pings everyone with delerium for cards in graveyard. tappedout.net/mtg-decks/torbrans-gauntlet-smackdown/ Here's my list it uses mana doublers for ramp to ensure it has a lot of gas n go, I know I need to swap to snow covered lands because of lense and will be doing so shortly lol. Edit: also my deck is geared to doubling damage, however... Not furnace where it also makes it easier for opponents to focus me... Only sources I control do double damage with things like fire servant, angrath's Marauder's, etc. Worth noting your gonna get focused if you burn the whole table hardcore, gotta have protection in place for yourself, circle of pain for instance, bolts non flying creatures that attack you. (1+2) doubled with a doubler. Another great one I don't use that if your running a dragon package (which survives aether flash better) is sarkhon the masterless, each dragon bolts any attacking creature. But mine focused more on spell slinging you could easily set this up many ways which is why I love torbran
This deck list looks like its trying to do to much at the same time. I don't see how you will get a lot of triggers on purphoros. Also gutter snipe looks like he wont get much triggers. same thing with thermo-alchemist. I would either choose wide creature base with small triggers for lots of dmg or a spell slinging deck. I would like to know if you have made any changes to your deck since this video.
Would pyrohemia kill Torbran after 2 triggers so you wouldn’t get the bonus damage on anything after the first 2 triggers or would all triggers get the bonus damage before he died for example say you pay 6 do you do 18 dmg or 12 dmg
My first thought of torbran was to include it into my krenko deck. All those gobos gaining +2 damage is nice. And goblin bombardment bolts now. I wonder what sharpshooter is will do with torbran. :D
@@cteal2018 But then the commander format says that the color identity is defined by the mana on the card's converted mana cost as well as the mana symbols on the card's text.
@@usernameunidentified175 that is for cards with a casting cost....since there is no casting cost...card is deemed colorless...commander rules do not supersede mtg rules, commander rules act as a supplement not as a replacement. Look at the rulings of some other cards that target colored targets.."All is Dust" for example...in the rulings on gather gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=397750 "Lands have no mana cost, so they are colorless unless an effect states otherwise." And "A land card that produces colored mana, even a land with a basic land type, normally has no color."
Can you imagine having Furnace, Dictate, Repercussions, and Torbran out? You could use Pyrohemia and do 56 damage to each opponent for each creature they have. (1+2, doubled twice to 12 to the creature, +2 doubled twice to 56 to the player.) While only doing 4 to your creatures, 1x2x2, and 16 to you, 4x2x2. And that's all for only 1 activation. :D
Even better (not really, I just find it funny), while you have Furnance or Dictate on the battlefield, if you activate Hearthless ability you can kill every player with an even life total.
The recipient of damage gets to decide in which order damage replacement effects are applied unfortunately. So your opponent could choose to first double, then add +2. For reference, there's a ruling for Soul Scar Mage + Insult on SSM Gatherer page with this interaction.
I really like this build for Torbran it's certainly the kind of classic burn deck that has been missing in commander. I particularly like how he breaks the symmetry of cards like Spellshock and Pyrohemia
Mana Barbs :3
Painter's servant makes every card red, including Valakut and Stuffy Doll
Wait this is sick advice dude
Torbran + Mana Barbs is Red's version of stax. Commander loves big mana spells. If you take 3 damage per land you tapped for mana, that will mean you'll be seeing single digits VERY shortly
Simple and fun deck tech, great commander.
This is really close to my Neheb the Eternal build, gotta get this dwarf. Good alternate commander!
Hey i loved that you used Furnace o Rrath, togheter with repercussion does two are the ultimate risk/reward enchantments. They are some of my petcards from the old days. Nice deck tech.
For Dwarf trible I think Depala is the best commander. 100% gonna put Torbran in my Depala deck, but this Torbran deck looks realy cool as well
So nice to see another Siege Rhino reprint.
I just made a Purphoros Deck but now I must start making this deck too. Red is so much fun lol
I like enchanters bane as a way to deal with opponents enchantments
I use this someone said what happens when opponents don't have any more enchantments from sacing them. I was like sac itself or eat 1-2 damage If I know my opponent is playing enchant heavy
@@goretoriumgaming8600 yep...besides not many things you can do against enchantments if you are mono red...at least you can hit them or have them sac the enchantment...and in commander there is almost always a target for it
I feel like a good Torbran list is just a good Neheb list but with a different commander.
I would have loved dwarf tribal but digging this
Another interesting angle is Dragons + Sarkhan the Masterless from WotS. That passive makes each dragon it's own damage source MASSIVELY ramping up the danger of swinging in against the deck.
Mono Red commander, feels good man!
Like your build . Hes going in my Krenko .the 2 xtra damage will help tons ...
I know it sounds silly but I kinda want to add Mindcrank just to extra screw with the libraries of my opponents🤣
OMG! I wanna build this deck soooo bad! :D Thank you
What's that red enchantment that has a creatures controller take damage when it gets damaged?
Repercussion
My plan for torban is pretty much burn spells, ping creatures and cards that increase damage.
How would you not top deck after a while? That always seems to be the issue with red. Any good artifact based card draw?
I guess there's experimental frenzy though with downside. Top decking is mostly red's problem. There's sensei's divining top, tectonic reformation for late game, the immortal sun and staff of nin (also deals 1 damage to any player).
Bag of holding is great with red card draw as it tends to be discard to draw or wheels and does it itself, I run Magus of the wheel and reforge the soul, plus faithless looting, tormenting voices, etc. Plus the goblin that pings everyone with delerium for cards in graveyard. tappedout.net/mtg-decks/torbrans-gauntlet-smackdown/
Here's my list it uses mana doublers for ramp to ensure it has a lot of gas n go, I know I need to swap to snow covered lands because of lense and will be doing so shortly lol.
Edit: also my deck is geared to doubling damage, however... Not furnace where it also makes it easier for opponents to focus me... Only sources I control do double damage with things like fire servant, angrath's Marauder's, etc. Worth noting your gonna get focused if you burn the whole table hardcore, gotta have protection in place for yourself, circle of pain for instance, bolts non flying creatures that attack you. (1+2) doubled with a doubler. Another great one I don't use that if your running a dragon package (which survives aether flash better) is sarkhon the masterless, each dragon bolts any attacking creature. But mine focused more on spell slinging you could easily set this up many ways which is why I love torbran
This deck list looks like its trying to do to much at the same time. I don't see how you will get a lot of triggers on purphoros. Also gutter snipe looks like he wont get much triggers. same thing with thermo-alchemist. I would either choose wide creature base with small triggers for lots of dmg or a spell slinging deck. I would like to know if you have made any changes to your deck since this video.
Would pyrohemia kill Torbran after 2 triggers so you wouldn’t get the bonus damage on anything after the first 2 triggers or would all triggers get the bonus damage before he died for example say you pay 6 do you do 18 dmg or 12 dmg
My first thought of torbran was to include it into my krenko deck. All those gobos gaining +2 damage is nice. And goblin bombardment bolts now. I wonder what sharpshooter is will do with torbran. :D
Magic-Man that’s pretty solid. My immediate thought was to put him in a purphoros deck
Extraplanor lens + snow mountains ?
I use that as well of a lot of extra gas (Mana+card draw)
He looks cool, involves damage, and has a new subtype...Noble.
So for me, he's awesome. But I'd want an alter that had Gimli on the card, personally.
Personally i would also consider running chandra the firebrand, warstorm surge, and warstorm surge
How does this deck draw cards?
No Ashling the Pilgrim or Kumano Master Yamabushi Super sweet burn creatures. Sweet deck though
You should add in Banefire
Tyrant familiar?
Gotta love that Balefire Dragon + Repercussion combo. Just sick.
Magebane armor just sayin
Edit : it s in the decklist, you got me
Oh God I've heard the word damage so many times it doesn't mean anything anymore.
where is grape shot ???
1:45
That's not colorless as it has a red symbol so meaning it can synergise with Torbran.
All lands are colorless permanents
@@cteal2018 If that's the case then explain why can't I put a basic plains into this deck then?
Rule 202.1b
@@cteal2018 But then the commander format says that the color identity is defined by the mana on the card's converted mana cost as well as the mana symbols on the card's text.
@@usernameunidentified175 that is for cards with a casting cost....since there is no casting cost...card is deemed colorless...commander rules do not supersede mtg rules, commander rules act as a supplement not as a replacement.
Look at the rulings of some other cards that target colored targets.."All is Dust" for example...in the rulings on gather
gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=397750
"Lands have no mana cost, so they are colorless unless an effect states otherwise."
And
"A land card that produces colored mana, even a land with a basic land type, normally has no color."
Can you imagine having Furnace, Dictate, Repercussions, and Torbran out? You could use Pyrohemia and do 56 damage to each opponent for each creature they have. (1+2, doubled twice to 12 to the creature, +2 doubled twice to 56 to the player.) While only doing 4 to your creatures, 1x2x2, and 16 to you, 4x2x2. And that's all for only 1 activation. :D
Even better (not really, I just find it funny), while you have Furnance or Dictate on the battlefield, if you activate Hearthless ability you can kill every player with an even life total.
The recipient of damage gets to decide in which order damage replacement effects are applied unfortunately. So your opponent could choose to first double, then add +2.
For reference, there's a ruling for Soul Scar Mage + Insult on SSM Gatherer page with this interaction.