My favorite moment in the entire movie is when Jesse opens the door, sees the girl jumping rope and singing, and just closes the door without a reaction like "nope, not dealing with this" Also, Jesse's reaction to his mom saying he looks better. Such an absolute mood. Mark Patton was really kind of great in this.
The "help yourself fucker!" scene gets more laughs out of me than any of the cartoony elm streets. This is probably my favorite nightmare on elm street movie. New nightmare is pretty close.
13:55 that comment really hit home for me, when I was a kid I used to have a reoccurring nightmare in which Freddy was stalking me in my backyard and Robocop was there but wouldn't help me
The shot of Freddy in the steam of the showers was one of the remaining bits from when they’d attempted to recast Freddy with a stuntman, like most horror movie killers in the sequels. After a week or two of realizing just how bad this would become, and how important Robert Englund really was to the chemistry of the character, they hired him back at the higher pay he’d wanted.
It was his own decision to leave Hollywood due to the extreme homophobia in the movie business at the time and yes, he is in fact gay. He´s also called it the best decision, he ever made, so I wouldn´t feel too sorry him. Mark Patton, of course, not Mike from FNM.
I'm currently marathoning the series(watched 3 and 4 today) and I have to say that this is definitely the second best so far. It actually stays pretty true to the feel of the first movie, with Freddy's characterisation and the "ride to Hell" ending. I like the Jekyll-and-Hyde story that gives Freddy a bit more to do(he's always so underused for a talkative villain). Mark Patton plays Jesse bloody brilliantly. 3 was also really good, but 4 was kind of pointless and I hated how they killed off all the good characters from the last film. Points for giving Freddy some shades, though.
Absolutely. Possession makes perfect sense as one of Freddy's powers, and after having successfully avenged his death in the first movie, it makes sense that his next goal would be to come back.
Should have been Lisa killed off I can't stand that Nagging bitch I still say he got fucked by Schneider first he only mest around with her because he was tweaked the fucked out but he was traumatized because with Schneider he didn't say no but he didn't say yes either he was an anal virgin up until that point he started doing to Grady what happened to him.
Actually, it wasn't open, he was closeted, opening up in the 80's was dangerous, at time of the movie's production, according to an interview he did with Buzzfeed. And the scummy filmmakers held it over him as leverage/blackmail, it left him pretty fucking scarred, messed with his confidence a shit ton. www.buzzfeed.com/louispeitzman/the-nightmare-behind-the-gayest-horror-film-ever-made
He was the only person who thought he was in the closest the second those innocent baby Blues said good morning that closet door swung open he wouldn't have done it if he wasn't ready to be out personally I wish they had kept the (consentual ) anal rape( fantasy )scene they left out or at least let us know that pretty mouth could do more then talk smart.9
The most underrated entry of the series by far. This is very much like 'Halloween III', too different, too soon. It gets bashed for A to Z and can never catch a break. People even complain about the ending song being stupid because it's about dreams whereas the movie is about nightmares. That is something that I actually read. I don't see what the big deal is, I love this one!
I really think this film was Freddy at his most terrifying, apart from the brain scene he doesn't spout any stupid one liners, this and the first film are the only two where I find Freddy creepy, hugely underrated sequel
Yeah I liked it too. It was creepy and dark and it had Freddy coming into the real world to murder a whole party full of kids. "You are all my children now!" That scene was fucking awesome.
Freddy was absolutely terrifying in this one, like, more so than the first one. He didn't rely on comedy, he could just be terrifying Especially that one "you are all my children" scene That was beautiful
I think by grandmother he means his stepmother's mom I don't think the chick with his dad is his natural mother because she looks like she couldn't give a fuck I'm thinking granny called him a pansy although im sure the phrasing wasn't quite so respectful considering what ended up happening Grady seems like he's actually really sensitive seems to me he liked jessl from the start like he was flirting with him and he seemed kinda hurt that he didn't seem that interested honestly how can you not give the time of day to a guy who looks like that and isn't tripping when he catches you checking him out lol 😆
This had the single scariest Freddy look in the series. When he crawls out of dude in the bedroom and he's mocking him in the mirror, he looks truly demonic. It was dark af and how he should look, as opposed to how he looks later in the series. Also, the gay kid's GF was cute.
I know I am probably in the minority but I really enjoyed Freddy's Revenge. I might be biased since it was the first Elm Street movie I had seen as a child(Part 3 being the second). I recently had the chance to watch this again and honestly my thoughts on this movie haven't changed. Also Jesse can go up against the best Scream Queens out there. You can't say that for a lot of male leads in horror flicks.
***** Oh thanks so it logically makes sense. This was pretty damn disturbing he possed a teenager then used him to commit brutal 1st degree murder. I think it is a great sequel. Hard to do because sequels can go with copy and paste of the 1st movie instead of making it a unique movie. Brutal because it's a very violent killing.
+Otaking Mikohani if you'd actuall watched NGE, you's know that Shinji didn't just whine all the time. He also ran away and masturbated to comatose 14 year olds :P
The funny thing is about the second one they didn't initially call Robert back for it, so there was a ton of reshoots once they finally did. The funny thing is is one of the motifs for the design of Freddy was that of the classic old crown Style witch. Apparently the concept storyboard/script was that Freddy was using the possession to drag the dream world into reality. I suppose you could give an excuse that he normally feeds off of energy produced by unconscious fears but with the possession he was able to feed on the conscious fears somehow allowing him to do his normal schtick in the waking world.
Every 30th anniversary of the NOES movies, Snob will review it. 2017: Dream Warriors 2018: Dream Master 2019: Dream Child 2021: Final Nightmare 2024: New Nightmare 2033: Freddy vs Jason 2040: Remake ????: Future Announced Remake? Will Snob make it?
UPDATE: Snob ended up doing Part 3 in October 2017. He would end up doing the others (Part 4, Part 5, Final Nightmare, New Nightmare) in May 2018. He hasn’t done the remake or Freddy Vs. Jason yet.
Since Elm Street 2 is set in 1989, movie takes place between The Dream Child and Freddy's Dead. That would explain why Jessie is never mentioned in the series and could be the reason why no one talks about Freddy. As for Freddy's Dead Jessie has become a broken man due to Freddy having possessed him and has amnesia. This would explain why John Doe seems to be from a movie that doesn't exist. He is Jessie.
A couple years ago the blond guy who asks "have you seen this child" is Schneider and he was the face on the senators tummy in total recall so tecnicly he killed (and scolded )him twice lol 😆
i never knew about the homoerotic subtext when i first saw this movie until Robert Englund talked about it in the Advocate in an article about Freddy Krueger being a gay icon. He too shipped Grady and Jesse and says he hopes the reboot of the second film makes their relationship more obvious instead of implied. So you're in good company there, Brad!
I watched all of these movies when I was little, buddy of my brothers had them in a vhs boxset. sadly I don't remember the movies much, but I do remember not really getting the whole bit with the gym teacher in the bar.
I like the idea that the gym teacher was even punish his student for the underage drinking considering it was at a kink bar and I can't imagine anything worse for a teacher than having their kink become public knowledge in the school
Troubled Production: Freddy's Revenge, the second film in the franchise, had it even worse. It started with the fact that the movie was greenlit the very weekend the first Nightmare came out. This may seem like standard procedure for sequel greenlighting nowadays, but back then, it was virtually unheard of, especially if this was an R-rated horror film. Then there was Wes Craven not wanting to return, admitting to never wanting to direct a sequel of the first movie. He did at least agree to consider directing the second film, but eventually backed out after hating the script that had been written without his involvement (for good measure, returning production designer Gregg Fonseca quit with Craven, and wasn't replaced, leading to an art director being hastily promoted to take his role); he was replaced by Jack Sholder, who had acted as the de facto second unit director on the first film. Heather Langenkamp was never asked to return to this sequel, and according to the producers, they had not even considered bringing Nancy Thompson back to this movie at any point in pre-production. She would finally return to the franchise in parts 3 and 7. Sholder nearly got fired before filming even began, after producer Robert Shaye decided he wanted to play the main character's father despite having no acting experience, and Sholder understandably balked. Eventually, Sholder resorted to claiming that he had already offered the role to Clu Gulager (who he actually did have in mind for the part, but hadn't yet approached) and half-jokingly suggested that Shaye play the role of the bartender in a leather bar. Much to his shock, Shaye agreed - just so long as Sholder accompanied him on a trip to buy some S&M gear so that he'd look the part. This ended up starting a tradition of Shaye making a Creator Cameo in each film. Not making matters better was that Robert Englund also wasn't even asked to return as Freddy. A random extra was hired... But within a week of filming, it was clear that the stuntman in question was not up to the task; his movements have been described as more akin to Frankenstein's Monster than Freddy, and absolutely lifeless. He was fired and replaced with Englund, but a small bit of his footage remains in the shower scene. Englund also admitted that although he liked some parts of the movie, he also had problems with the script. Actual filming went smoothly for the most part, although Mark Patton had large objections to the infamous "Touch Me" dance scene. While Patton was himself gay, he thought the scene was too gay even for him. He did his own choreography, which was far less campy than originally planned. Additionally, the climactic pool party massacre had actors not knowing when explosions were to go off - nobody was acting in that scene, their scared reactions were absolutely real. Fortunately, the film was a box office success and managed to gross more than its predecessor, but wasn't anywhere near as well received, with fans claiming the film broke a lot of what was set as rules in the first, namely that Freddy spent too much time in the outside world and that Freddy using others to kill for him went against the idea of his character. Fortunately, this forced Wes Craven to return for the next film, albeit as a writer.
Dream warriors is in my ppinion better than the original, but you cant say new nightmare wasnt a good movie. New nightmare was a briliant movie and might become a classic ones it gets more attention
I think, if part 3 - was part 2, part 4 - was part 3 and so on, this movie would be phenomenal as part 5 (skipping "Freddy's Dead"). I think it flopped only because it was too different sequel.
I actually think that the gay subtext (which, while arguably a bit overblown, people behind the scenes suggest was intentional) makes the film a bit more interesting, in terms of a character study. This holds especially true with the behind the scene details of how the lead actor was treated with regards to his own homosexuality. Even without it, I really don't see how this is the worst entry in the series. Not as good as the first, but it still has some genuine suspense.
It's nice to see that I'm not the only one who noticed that it is obviously not Englund in the scene where he killed the coach Schneider. Must be the "extra" they've used at first who did his job "frankensteinish" and was eventually replaced by Englund, fortunately. Heck, they seemingly included him in the promotional photos, as some of them depict a somewhat different Freddy in these scenes!
Ive watched all your youtube videos and hands down this video was the best.....I loved NOES2 and I thought you were gonna trash it ....but you were very kind to it so thank you
Here's one thing that really gets to me: Why is it that whenever you have a story about a lesbian or lesbians, they're treated as strong and inspiration characters you can look up to, but when you have stories about a gay man or gay men, they're treated as a joke?
I think because gay men were always seen as easy targets for comedic purposes. Lesbian women were and still are hush hush in Hollywood film mostly unless you're an Indie film. I could be wrong though.
xj0462 True. There's this stupid sitcom show my roommate watches on Netflix about a food blogger or something like that and she has the stereotypical gay friend that sets off fire alarms across the street. Honestly it hurts to even have to hear that shit through a wall.
My personnal guess is that gays and lesbians are considered to go against the gendered norm. So it's only normal that there personality is the opposite of the norm hence girly gay man or masculine lesbians. I mean even bisexual people since they go against the norm are seen on a different view usually has slutty people.
hey can you do any of the other name on Elm Street sequels besides just number to any of them please I like to watch and see what your opinion is on them to your very interesting or cool guy thank you so much cima snob
It's so weird that I had always remembered that opening bus scene as Michael J. Fox and the guy from The Warriors, who called them out, as the bus driver.
Ok so I watched this after hearing a lot of people hated this movie and I gotta say that scene in the bedroom when Jesse was ripped apart from the inside out and Freddy tore his way out of his chest and killed Graddy just blew my mind, it was intense I just kept whisper “Jesus” as he killed him. Also when Freddy was at the pool and the dude said they just wanted to help him and he says “help yourself, fucker!” I laughed and said “if this were a later sequel he would’ve said bitch.” This movies not as bad as I’ve heard lol
This has always been my favorite movie of this franchise. It was also the first one I saw so it was kinda cool with the new character finding out about Freddy.
23:00 That's because there was like 40+ witnesses that a burn victim in a fedora hat with a razor glove murdered several kids that night at a nearby pool party, the police would match the four stab wounds in Grady and his bedroom door and that would be enough evidence for them to presume the high probability it was the same killer at the pool party that killed Grady and they would not even suspect Jessie as Jessie fitted no description and was never seen wearing a glove or bloodied, the ONLY person that saw Jessie in that state with blood and the transformation into Freddy and lived was Lisa, and of course, with what she saw, she's not going to tell the Police is was Jessie when she knows it was Freddy. What DOESN'T make sense is that the night Schnieder died, Jessie was found walking around the streets in the middle of the late-night naked by the cops. The next day, they discover Schneider's body - so, realistically, he'd be the first person questioned for that under strange coincidence / reasonable doubt for suspicion.
For me that isnmy problem woth this movie, the forst one was scary and had likable characters, the 3rd one had awesome action awesome characters and cool one liners, new nightmare has the same as the forst one, and this one had nothing, freddy might not be a comedian but he isnt scary in this movie, the characters suck in my opinion and freddy seems more like the thing
Freddy in the shower scene was a completely different guy due to New Line not wanting to pay Englund. They shot most of the movie and realized the stand-in was garbage. So, they paid Englund and filmed the rest...yet still kept that shower take with the stand-in.
I spotted a King Kobra poster as well as Bowie (Tonight artwork on a poster) and Zappa (Them or us artwork on a poster) referrences in Grady's room - the guy sure had awesome music tastes. :D
Typing this before watching: holy shit I'm excited to see this! I actually LOVE Freddy's Revenge. It's WEIRD, and the homoerotic undertones are interesting
My favorite moment in the entire movie is when Jesse opens the door, sees the girl jumping rope and singing, and just closes the door without a reaction like "nope, not dealing with this"
Also, Jesse's reaction to his mom saying he looks better. Such an absolute mood. Mark Patton was really kind of great in this.
"You are all my children now". Freddy no. think of the back alimony payments.
Worst day care ever.
+Luke Richardson the court system can be very harsh on a guy barely making minimum wage lol
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alimony has nothing to do with children
And the college tuition
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I love how Jessie screams in the beginning and the family barely glances up.
Must happen a lot
The "help yourself fucker!" scene gets more laughs out of me than any of the cartoony elm streets. This is probably my favorite nightmare on elm street movie. New nightmare is pretty close.
Nice seeing the gay community taking this movie in as their own...you guys deserve it
"HOLY SHIT THE DRIVER'S JASON VOORHEES!" Why the hell do I love that line so much??????
"Freddy witnessing the twist ending of Sleepaway Camp" FUCKING FANTASTIC!
13:55 that comment really hit home for me, when I was a kid I used to have a reoccurring nightmare in which Freddy was stalking me in my backyard and Robocop was there but wouldn't help me
Help me Robocop!* Robocop just shrugs And walks away as your brutally butchered by Freddy
The fact that Brad Jones acknowledged that Mark Patton is freaking awesome in this movie, was totally rad.I LOVE THIS MOVIE AND THE CINEMA SNOB.!!!!🤣🤣
Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Home Improvement but the plot twist is he can't get a good loan because of his killer credit
And hosts a cable repair show with a guy wearing flannel and has a grudge with Bob Vila 😐
The shot of Freddy in the steam of the showers was one of the remaining bits from when they’d attempted to recast Freddy with a stuntman, like most horror movie killers in the sequels. After a week or two of realizing just how bad this would become, and how important Robert Englund really was to the chemistry of the character, they hired him back at the higher pay he’d wanted.
It works, because that's Jesse doing the kill, not full-on Freddy yet
Maaannn I really wish Mark Patton had become more successful after this. He's legit amazing.
You mean Mark Patton.
What do you mean? Faith no more we’re pretty successful
@@Finalfukker and we just got some (sort of) new Bungle
This was quite an epic sequel.
It was his own decision to leave Hollywood due to the extreme homophobia in the movie business at the time and yes, he is in fact gay. He´s also called it the best decision, he ever made, so I wouldn´t feel too sorry him. Mark Patton, of course, not Mike from FNM.
Brad you're not alone we all love Grady!
I'm currently marathoning the series(watched 3 and 4 today) and I have to say that this is definitely the second best so far. It actually stays pretty true to the feel of the first movie, with Freddy's characterisation and the "ride to Hell" ending. I like the Jekyll-and-Hyde story that gives Freddy a bit more to do(he's always so underused for a talkative villain). Mark Patton plays Jesse bloody brilliantly.
3 was also really good, but 4 was kind of pointless and I hated how they killed off all the good characters from the last film. Points for giving Freddy some shades, though.
Absolutely. Possession makes perfect sense as one of Freddy's powers, and after having successfully avenged his death in the first movie, it makes sense that his next goal would be to come back.
Jesse and Grady sittin in a... oh wait, nevermind, Grady got murdered.
maugos 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I bet they just didn't show it ,he hit that before but question is did he fuck Grady first or Schneider?
Should have been Lisa killed off I can't stand that Nagging bitch I still say he got fucked by
Schneider first he only mest around with her because he was tweaked the fucked out but he was traumatized because with Schneider he didn't say no but he didn't say yes either he was an anal virgin up until that point he started doing to Grady what happened to him.
07:41 What do you mean by "gay overtones"?
This is how I clean my apartment every weekend!
Wanted to hit the like button, but I'm not going to ruin the current 69-like count.
@@wingsandash Somebody else did. Not me, tho. I only unofficially liked the comment.
If that kid were any deeper into the closet, he'd be living in freaking Narnia
Daniel Ryan Mark Patton was actually openly gay when this movie was released but if you're talking about the character yeah.
Actually, it wasn't open, he was closeted, opening up in the 80's was dangerous, at time of the movie's production, according to an interview he did with Buzzfeed. And the scummy filmmakers held it over him as leverage/blackmail, it left him pretty fucking scarred, messed with his confidence a shit ton. www.buzzfeed.com/louispeitzman/the-nightmare-behind-the-gayest-horror-film-ever-made
He's so deep in the closet he's finding polyester leisure suits.
He was the only person who thought he was in the closest the second those innocent baby Blues said good morning that closet door swung open he wouldn't have done it if he wasn't ready to be out personally I wish they had kept the (consentual ) anal rape( fantasy )scene they left out or at least let us know that pretty mouth could do more then talk smart.9
Vinny Stern man, the moment he screamed in the morning it was a wrap
The most underrated entry of the series by far. This is very much like 'Halloween III', too different, too soon. It gets bashed for A to Z and can never catch a break. People even complain about the ending song being stupid because it's about dreams whereas the movie is about nightmares. That is something that I actually read.
I don't see what the big deal is, I love this one!
I really think this film was Freddy at his most terrifying, apart from the brain scene he doesn't spout any stupid one liners, this and the first film are the only two where I find Freddy creepy, hugely underrated sequel
And yet nobody complains that half of the Freddy movies have the word "dream" in it?
Yeah I liked it too. It was creepy and dark and it had Freddy coming into the real world to murder a whole party full of kids. "You are all my children now!" That scene was fucking awesome.
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And I fucking love your profile pic.
Freddy was absolutely terrifying in this one, like, more so than the first one.
He didn't rely on comedy, he could just be terrifying
Especially that one "you are all my children" scene
That was beautiful
The girl who plays Lisa looks like the young Meryl Streep.
That's why she was cast.
She still damn fine looking all these years later, too
My mom thought she was, lol.
YES!!! I've always said this and no one else sees it!
Mark Patton looks like he’s in a different movie, he definitely had a strong screen presence, maybe even as a lead
laughed so hard at "The gay one"
Did he just say "I pushed my grandmother down a flight of stairs"?
I think that's why his parents locked him in
The twist is that Grady is an older version of Butters.
I think by grandmother he means his stepmother's mom I don't think the chick with his dad is his natural mother because she looks like she couldn't give a fuck I'm thinking granny called him a pansy although im sure the phrasing wasn't quite so respectful considering what ended up happening Grady seems like he's actually really sensitive seems to me he liked jessl from the start like he was flirting with him and he seemed kinda hurt that he didn't seem that interested honestly how can you not give the time of day to a guy who looks like that and isn't tripping when he catches you checking him out lol 😆
This had the single scariest Freddy look in the series. When he crawls out of dude in the bedroom and he's mocking him in the mirror, he looks truly demonic. It was dark af and how he should look, as opposed to how he looks later in the series.
Also, the gay kid's GF was cute.
She was just so dam obnoxious
I agree that this one always stood out as scarier than the rest. I think in some respects it’s scarier than the first.
I know I am probably in the minority but I really enjoyed Freddy's Revenge. I might be biased since it was the first Elm Street movie I had seen as a child(Part 3 being the second). I recently had the chance to watch this again and honestly my thoughts on this movie haven't changed.
Also Jesse can go up against the best Scream Queens out there. You can't say that for a lot of male leads in horror flicks.
It's my favorite too I just like the story better than the others
Bruce Campbell is no slouch himself, and he even has multiple screams, lol.
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Why revenge when he won in the 1st damn movie?
***** Oh thanks so it logically makes sense.
This was pretty damn disturbing he possed a teenager then used him to commit brutal 1st degree murder.
I think it is a great sequel. Hard to do because sequels can go with copy and paste of the 1st movie instead of making it a unique movie.
Brutal because it's a very violent killing.
Because Jesse only had eyes for Grady...
Wow, only six days before Wes died, that sucks man.
He died on my birthday
Of all the Snob reviews, fans came to reguard this one as "the gay review."
Hahahahahaha nice
Dude Mark Patton is approaching Shinji Ikari levels of fucking crazy.
He is *so* fucked up...
+Otaking Mikohani if you'd actuall watched NGE, you's know that Shinji didn't just whine all the time.
He also ran away and masturbated to comatose 14 year olds :P
Otaking Mikohani
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+Otaking Mikohani that's very true, actually XD
At least Mark Patton was actually likeable. Seriously fuck Shinji. also fuck Eva
There's just something about that redhead in part 2 that gives me butterflies.
The funny thing is about the second one they didn't initially call Robert back for it, so there was a ton of reshoots once they finally did.
The funny thing is is one of the motifs for the design of Freddy was that of the classic old crown Style witch. Apparently the concept storyboard/script was that Freddy was using the possession to drag the dream world into reality.
I suppose you could give an excuse that he normally feeds off of energy produced by unconscious fears but with the possession he was able to feed on the conscious fears somehow allowing him to do his normal schtick in the waking world.
jesses female friend looks like Meryl Streep in her prime lol
@ledzeppelin711 Nowhere is it stated that Kim Myers is Streep's niece, and I think that such a fact would be, on IMDb and Wiki, had it been true.
I swear I thought they were related somehow, but they’re not. The resemblance is uncanny though.
Every 30th anniversary of the NOES movies, Snob will review it.
2017: Dream Warriors
2018: Dream Master
2019: Dream Child
2021: Final Nightmare
2024: New Nightmare
2033: Freddy vs Jason
2040: Remake
????: Future Announced Remake?
Will Snob make it?
UPDATE: Snob ended up doing Part 3 in October 2017. He would end up doing the others (Part 4, Part 5, Final Nightmare, New Nightmare) in May 2018.
He hasn’t done the remake or Freddy Vs. Jason yet.
Update he reviewed the remake
Since Elm Street 2 is set in 1989, movie takes place between The Dream Child and Freddy's Dead. That would explain why Jessie is never mentioned in the series and could be the reason why no one talks about Freddy. As for Freddy's Dead Jessie has become a broken man due to Freddy having possessed him and has amnesia. This would explain why John Doe seems to be from a movie that doesn't exist. He is Jessie.
And now I want a Robocop vs Kruegger movie. Damn you, Snob !!
You got a terminator killer vs Freddy
When? 🤨
You never know tecnicly Freddy killed the cop from terminator why not Robocop lol in my home town we have a bank called robobank lol
Freddy never killed Robert Patrick. 🤨
A couple years ago the blond guy who asks "have you seen this child" is Schneider and he was the face on the senators tummy in total recall so tecnicly he killed (and scolded )him twice lol 😆
i never knew about the homoerotic subtext when i first saw this movie until Robert Englund talked about it in the Advocate in an article about Freddy Krueger being a gay icon. He too shipped Grady and Jesse and says he hopes the reboot of the second film makes their relationship more obvious instead of implied. So you're in good company there, Brad!
How is Freddy a gay icon?
@@carriekube7357 Because he's a catty queen.
If they are that open would Grady consider it cheating when he fucked around with Snyder
I hope they show their first kiss
@ meat markets aren't subtex but actually I guess if you know
Ots nor subtex
I watched all of these movies when I was little, buddy of my brothers had them in a vhs boxset. sadly I don't remember the movies much, but I do remember not really getting the whole bit with the gym teacher in the bar.
He wanted to have sex with him so he went to him and he took him
You're not the only one. I was kid when I first watched it, and I didn't get all the gay subtext. Viewing it years later it's pretty obvious.
16:30 "look at that tongue, look at that tongue he's about to get her a RIDE of her life" best line
I like the idea that the gym teacher was even punish his student for the underage drinking considering it was at a kink bar and I can't imagine anything worse for a teacher than having their kink become public knowledge in the school
16:46 why is that guy sleeping in D.J. Tanners bed from Full house.
*Shrugs* Must be an 80's thing.
This came out first so tecnicly she's in his bed 😆
Troubled Production:
Freddy's Revenge, the second film in the franchise, had it even worse.
It started with the fact that the movie was greenlit the very weekend the first Nightmare came out. This may seem like standard procedure for sequel greenlighting nowadays, but back then, it was virtually unheard of, especially if this was an R-rated horror film.
Then there was Wes Craven not wanting to return, admitting to never wanting to direct a sequel of the first movie. He did at least agree to consider directing the second film, but eventually backed out after hating the script that had been written without his involvement (for good measure, returning production designer Gregg Fonseca quit with Craven, and wasn't replaced, leading to an art director being hastily promoted to take his role); he was replaced by Jack Sholder, who had acted as the de facto second unit director on the first film.
Heather Langenkamp was never asked to return to this sequel, and according to the producers, they had not even considered bringing Nancy Thompson back to this movie at any point in pre-production. She would finally return to the franchise in parts 3 and 7.
Sholder nearly got fired before filming even began, after producer Robert Shaye decided he wanted to play the main character's father despite having no acting experience, and Sholder understandably balked. Eventually, Sholder resorted to claiming that he had already offered the role to Clu Gulager (who he actually did have in mind for the part, but hadn't yet approached) and half-jokingly suggested that Shaye play the role of the bartender in a leather bar. Much to his shock, Shaye agreed - just so long as Sholder accompanied him on a trip to buy some S&M gear so that he'd look the part. This ended up starting a tradition of Shaye making a Creator Cameo in each film.
Not making matters better was that Robert Englund also wasn't even asked to return as Freddy. A random extra was hired... But within a week of filming, it was clear that the stuntman in question was not up to the task; his movements have been described as more akin to Frankenstein's Monster than Freddy, and absolutely lifeless. He was fired and replaced with Englund, but a small bit of his footage remains in the shower scene. Englund also admitted that although he liked some parts of the movie, he also had problems with the script.
Actual filming went smoothly for the most part, although Mark Patton had large objections to the infamous "Touch Me" dance scene. While Patton was himself gay, he thought the scene was too gay even for him. He did his own choreography, which was far less campy than originally planned. Additionally, the climactic pool party massacre had actors not knowing when explosions were to go off - nobody was acting in that scene, their scared reactions were absolutely real.
Fortunately, the film was a box office success and managed to gross more than its predecessor, but wasn't anywhere near as well received, with fans claiming the film broke a lot of what was set as rules in the first, namely that Freddy spent too much time in the outside world and that Freddy using others to kill for him went against the idea of his character. Fortunately, this forced Wes Craven to return for the next film, albeit as a writer.
Did you get the satisfaction you hoped you'd get after posting this dissertation 🌹😅
One of the better Elm Street films IMO.
12:27 - *Snob:* Well if you didn't want that to happen, you shouldn't have put the red bandana in the back left pocket!
That was just the looking to buy signal if you look closely they all got them
This Movie wasn't Dream Warriors good but I'll take Gay Freddy over remake Freddy any day.
+Antichrist2000 Yeah,that's true,4 was ok 5 and 6 were awful and the remake, lol not even gonna count that one.
+Corey Pack I can't argue with that,Dream Warriors was f'n awesome
I love the Dream Warriors
Dream warriors is in my ppinion better than the original, but you cant say new nightmare wasnt a good movie. New nightmare was a briliant movie and might become a classic ones it gets more attention
You can all gargle my balls.
Damn, I really didn´t recall, but the Patton performance really looks great. Now I guess I´m gonna buy this one again.
Get the theatrical and put it up
funny you should mention Jesse's Diary, Mark Patton has actually written "Jesse's Lost Diary" as an online blog.
Did coach rape him or did he want to be his bitch because he was into that
Freddy Two is a great sequel. It's different then the first one.
I think, if part 3 - was part 2, part 4 - was part 3 and so on, this movie would be phenomenal as part 5 (skipping "Freddy's Dead"). I think it flopped only because it was too different sequel.
@@infjason8470 It has ideas that were too quickly abandoned, should have been incorporated into the series.
“But the driver suddenly realizes he’s gotta kill the fucking roadrunner” 😂😂
Glad to see this review finally on TH-cam.
I actually think that the gay subtext (which, while arguably a bit overblown, people behind the scenes suggest was intentional) makes the film a bit more interesting, in terms of a character study. This holds especially true with the behind the scene details of how the lead actor was treated with regards to his own homosexuality.
Even without it, I really don't see how this is the worst entry in the series. Not as good as the first, but it still has some genuine suspense.
Not only was the homoeroticism intentional, but it was also used in service of the story and characters, rather than just being a cheap joke.
I actually met Rober Englund at a comic convention
I get to meet him and Amanda Wyss (Tina) in August
He is probably a kind guy? Usually this type of actors are completely opposite to the characters on a screen
It's nice to see that I'm not the only one who noticed that it is obviously not Englund in the scene where he killed the coach Schneider. Must be the "extra" they've used at first who did his job "frankensteinish" and was eventually replaced by Englund, fortunately. Heck, they seemingly included him in the promotional photos, as some of them depict a somewhat different Freddy in these scenes!
Bob Englund asked fora pay rise
The ongoing pressure and heat motif was very effective storytelling
“ Nice shirt Jesse. Is it yesterday already?” LOL
Cinema Snob, you make my day. I look forward to watching your reviews! You should have a show on primetime. Keep up the good work.
hands down the best sequel in the series imo
The possession angle is one I can actually see working.
Everyone should have a one true Grady lol
Mine kept me in the freezer til I agreed to chop my wife and son up into little bits.
😆 but you're Grady gave you head at the party to help inspire you
Lisa wouldn't get off his jock that's why Jesse wanted her to think he was dead I wish she would have walked in on those two they're beautiful
Man that red head chick is so cute in this movie.
Ive watched all your youtube videos and hands down this video was the best.....I loved NOES2 and I thought you were gonna trash it ....but you were very kind to it so thank you
Here's one thing that really gets to me: Why is it that whenever you have a story about a lesbian or lesbians, they're treated as strong and inspiration characters you can look up to, but when you have stories about a gay man or gay men, they're treated as a joke?
I think because gay men were always seen as easy targets for comedic purposes. Lesbian women were and still are hush hush in Hollywood film mostly unless you're an Indie film. I could be wrong though.
xj0462 True. There's this stupid sitcom show my roommate watches on Netflix about a food blogger or something like that and she has the stereotypical gay friend that sets off fire alarms across the street. Honestly it hurts to even have to hear that shit through a wall.
yeah. theres that
My personnal guess is that gays and lesbians are considered to go against the gendered norm. So it's only normal that there personality is the opposite of the norm hence girly gay man or masculine lesbians. I mean even bisexual people since they go against the norm are seen on a different view usually has slutty people.
hey can you do any of the other name on Elm Street sequels besides just number to any of them please I like to watch and see what your opinion is on them to your very interesting or cool guy thank you so much cima snob
8:36 In addition to "NO CHICKS ALLOWED" what's the deal with the 'Probe' on the shelf? 🤔
It says "No out of town chicks allowed"
during the coach's death scene no matter what happens he NEVER stops smacking on that stupid gum lol
Look at how cool the practical effects look even with this bright ass lighting!
It's so weird that I had always remembered that opening bus scene as Michael J. Fox and the guy from The Warriors, who called them out, as the bus driver.
Freddy:
You've got the body.
I've got the brain.
Let's make lots of money.
I watched this at a neighbor's house in 1988. It was a forbidden, R-rated movie.
actually grady comes back for a cameo on wes craven's new nightmare. in the funeral he's with other former cast members like Tuesday knight
At 16:15 freezeframe for discount Dennis Quaid smile.
the glorious gayness of this movie is its' most fabulous aspect, tho the make-up sfx are pretty awesome.
Its about time you posted this up here, been over 3 months now since this one came out.
When Jesse saw Freddie’s bloody glove on his hand and screams. One of the best parts of the whole movie.
Ok so I watched this after hearing a lot of people hated this movie and I gotta say that scene in the bedroom when Jesse was ripped apart from the inside out and Freddy tore his way out of his chest and killed Graddy just blew my mind, it was intense I just kept whisper “Jesus” as he killed him. Also when Freddy was at the pool and the dude said they just wanted to help him and he says “help yourself, fucker!” I laughed and said “if this were a later sequel he would’ve said bitch.” This movies not as bad as I’ve heard lol
Yea no where near as bad as Freddy's Dead or the 2010 reboot
9:24 It's a melting od green flashlight, the military kind with the 90 degree neck circa Vietnam.
GRADY NO!! NOT GRADY!
Freddy's like aww the boyfriend should he have one last 💋....sorry
He wanted so badly to protect him he died a hero
this one is amazing. sholder is a genius.
So glad you put this up! This is probably by third all-time favorite Snob review.
The three different fonts for the title card 😂
Yeah Freddy, very subtle when jumping into reality. Very subtle.
This has always been my favorite movie of this franchise. It was also the first one I saw so it was kinda cool with the new character finding out about Freddy.
23:00 That's because there was like 40+ witnesses that a burn victim in a fedora hat with a razor glove murdered several kids that night at a nearby pool party, the police would match the four stab wounds in Grady and his bedroom door and that would be enough evidence for them to presume the high probability it was the same killer at the pool party that killed Grady and they would not even suspect Jessie as Jessie fitted no description and was never seen wearing a glove or bloodied, the ONLY person that saw Jessie in that state with blood and the transformation into Freddy and lived was Lisa, and of course, with what she saw, she's not going to tell the Police is was Jessie when she knows it was Freddy. What DOESN'T make sense is that the night Schnieder died, Jessie was found walking around the streets in the middle of the late-night naked by the cops. The next day, they discover Schneider's body - so, realistically, he'd be the first person questioned for that under strange coincidence / reasonable doubt for suspicion.
Based on this, it's easily better than 4.
That was one strange Nightmare on Elm Street movie... O_o
+Dosbilliam AzureIronskull 4 is entertaining enough imo. Freddy's Dead, however...
It's my favorite
nah. 4 is more fun overall
TH-cam finally realeased the hostage? (as you said in 'A Ton Of Grass Goes To Pot') What was the ransom?
What?
these reviews are my favourite thing on youtube.
brad jones is brilliant.
One of Snob's best. Part 2 was my first movie I seen at the theater's, I was 6,lol
the director of this film and Wishmaster 2 is a film professor at the college i went too.
Went to college and don't know the correct spelling of to for your comment. Mph
Thank you, Brad. I've been waiting a long time for this one.
Gah holy shit! you were finaly able to upload this
It'd be kind of awesome/appropriate to have Mark Patton (the actor for Jesse) take over as the role of Freddy if they do reboot the franchise again.
I actually quite enjoyed this one. Its tone was far more in line with the original. The comedic downfall really started in 3 (as good as that was).
For me that isnmy problem woth this movie, the forst one was scary and had likable characters, the 3rd one had awesome action awesome characters and cool one liners, new nightmare has the same as the forst one, and this one had nothing, freddy might not be a comedian but he isnt scary in this movie, the characters suck in my opinion and freddy seems more like the thing
Enno Hankel Fair enough. But while not perfect, it seems to be more faithful to the original film in style and feel than the other sequels.
9:01 The REAL irony of the scene is that Nancy kept a diary that she never actually wrote in.. Those pages are blank.
One of my favorite movie reviews of all time
his one true grady
#justiceforjesseandgrady
❤
Grady and Jesse should have done it right in front of that stupid bitch maybe she would get the message
Freddy in the shower scene was a completely different guy due to New Line not wanting to pay Englund. They shot most of the movie and realized the stand-in was garbage.
So, they paid Englund and filmed the rest...yet still kept that shower take with the stand-in.
19:27 If you killed Sheinider Just take bit "One Day at a time" then. (rim-shot.)
I spotted a King Kobra poster as well as Bowie (Tonight artwork on a poster) and Zappa (Them or us artwork on a poster) referrences in Grady's room - the guy sure had awesome music tastes. :D
Love stay cats
And the never ending story theme singer
@@vinnystern3598 Llamhl
What gym teacher in the 80s didn't hang out in S&M clubs?
Old school gymnasiums had the strongest ropes.
Lol!
He wanted a big mean man to grab him and make him his bitch that way he could pretend he kidnapped him to teach him a lesson for acting like a whore
Can you believe the wardrobe on this flick?
I never noticed the Fuman Chews cereal before. Reminds me of the Agatha Crispies from House of 1000 corpses.
Typing this before watching: holy shit I'm excited to see this! I actually LOVE Freddy's Revenge. It's WEIRD, and the homoerotic undertones are interesting
I love this film! It's genuinely scary and has a really creepy soundtrack.