These initials and belt are 100% a female's property. A man would not be wearing this but most females would. I have custom belts made and even recently where I have initials or my name stamped into it. It's viewable to whomever is behind me as long as my shirts are tucked. This is something a hippy/gypsy/free spirit person who was wearing this belt. Definitely not a man.
@@jameslinmd During the AH/JD trial Court TV was streaming Closing Arguments live every night, I would watch it the next morning. Now for some odd reason they're only releasing partial clips. Very frustrating!
I want to THANK YOU. Shannan has almost no one left to fight for her at all. Her mother was murdered, her father never involved. This case was never left me and I glad her story is getting told again.
@@pamelamorris3148 you need an attorney when the cops are F-ing with you an will not give you information about your daughters murder. They wouldn't let her mom listen to the 23 minute 911 call. Her mom fought with for the release of this 911 call till she was murdered. The doctor that supposedly helped girls from his house erased the videos. He also called Shannon's mom the morning she died. Why he lied about that call I guess we will never know. The police hated Shannon's mom because she bugged them to much trying to get answers.
It's her driver, Mike Pact, whom she knew very well and was her pimp and protector for her Johns. They normally wait for the person and take them back. It wasn't Brewer. Whomever the pimp/driver made arrangements with after her liason with Brewer is who's responsible for her death. I think it was Pact since she wasn't cooperating and had no idea what or where she was & did call 911 & was trying to scare or intimidate him by doing so and he knew she didn't tell them anything or even answer even one question.
that was her driver, Mike Pact. She had probably taking drugs or drinking with her client and might have been disoriented. however that didn't mean something bad didn't happen at the client's, and it doesn't mean that she couldn't have met up with a serial killer later after she ran away. or he was related to the situation, serial killers sometimes work in teams
@@platedlizard she sounds hurt. She's killed right in front of her driver who was just talking to her. It's obvious he was paid to give her to someone to dispose of.
That police chief and the whole department needs to be investigated! This is a disgrace and these victims and family need justice! Someone needs do a independent investigation .
there's been a lot of rumors about him, wild parties. I'm not someone into conspiracy theories but I do remember how reluctant the police were to investigate Robert Pickton because his pig farm was used as a party location and hosted bands and concerts to which the local cops were invited and i wouldn't be surprised if there was a similar situation
@@platedlizard if he has a pig farm, then he definitely has much more victims. Pigs are capable of eating human bones, especially if its butchered for their mouth sizes.
To me, Shannon is a hero for alerting the police to a serial killer. And, I don't care what anyone says, she did not accidentally die in a body dump site! Nope, no coincidences in murder. And, both her driver and the owner of that home lied. They know much more than they are telling!
yes she was a human yes she was a victim yes she was a prostitute when she was murdered yes she was a escort yes she was selling her body for money yes she found herself with someone who had an agenda other than straight sex whether that was sexual sadism or some other devious thoughts. If not rex then someone else who is still out there looking for there next victim. Ladies dont kid youself you are playing with your lives. Its never to late to quit. Turn to God He loves you. Tell Jesus your sorry and ask for forgiveness and turn from your sin. God in his awsome love and grace will give you eternal life in his kingdom. I did!!!!!
This is NOT because the ladies were of the evening. This is covering up a powerful person, either in a policing position, political figure or very very wealthy. In my opinion because they have let these families suffer and suffer for years. Shame on all of them, their disgusting life forms to do such a thing to these victims and their loved ones left behind to endure this.
I believe it’s because she was a sex worker. I’ve watched so much crime tv and it’s hard to find suspects and they just don’t put as much effort into searching.
this should have been a top priority case, these young women deserve justice. predators target sex workers because they're easier to get, it's not because of their occupation. there are predators that target real estate agents for the same reason, both groups go off with strangers to isolated homes. I hope these women get justice. They deserve so much better
it doesn't even have to be the case of the cops having direct knowledge. Robert Pickton got away with his murders for decades because his farm was a popular party/concert location and the local cops didn't want to disrupt their favorite bands. Supposedly Nickelback even played there once! He didn't get caught until after that got closed down. This is despite multiple victims fleeing the location or being taken there and never appearing again. Would not surprise me if it turned out to be a similar situation. Like, I don't think the cops knew Robert was a serial killer but I do think the cops overlooked the shady stuff he and his brother did because heeeey they're buddies amirite? It's easy to ignore the sins of your "friends" if you don't care about the victims.
I have been watching this case since it came out and watching the show about gilgo Beach murders and these police are covering it up because she was a sex worker all those people found were sex workers and they have taken little time and effort to solve this case and it's sad no one should be judged over the job they have to do to survive especially when they are murdered but that is exactly what these police have done that's what they mean they have done very little to solve this case for these victims and they won't do much more endless someone else gets on this case who isn't connected to this police department otherwise it will never be solved she clearly was murdered and since day one these police have said she drowned accidentally and that's the story they have been trying to feed the public since day one yet there are very clear signs she was viciously strangled
It is so nerve wracking to hear someone asking for help and to know nothing was done. It is clear there's several people there, now they have one serial killer in jail but there's more than one person in the 911 recording. I just hope they get every single one involved.
I just don't understand why people think Brewer and Pak were involved. The tape of the call clearly matches the story that Brewer was trying to get her to leave and she would not. Everything about her behavior and her on the call sounds like someone having a bad drug reaction or a mental health episode, not two men trying to hurt her.
I wonder if corrupt police chief was patrolling the area at that time. He was involved with sex workers too - I believe he became chief after they finally found her body & stopped the FBI from coming in. What if they were pulled over by or had a run in w/ Burke when they all left the house. If so could he have said or done something to scare her. “Burke himself would become the focus of an FBI investigation stemming from an incident in 2012 when he attacked a thief, Christopher Loeb, after he broke into his squad car and stole a duffel bag containing porn and sex toys”
Yes, this is terrible. There needs to be more pressure for every person involved in this case. HOA president Dr. Peter Hacket deleted the videos. James Brooke the police chief who was caught having sex with a prostitution in his cop car did not let the FBI get involved in this case. I hope to hear Justice being brought to these people who took her life as joke.
@@Leopardvixen369 What year was it? Actually, as I think about it, 911 knew your number you were calling from BEFORE we had cell phones. I dialed it once and hung up immediately and they called me back right within seconds. That was probably not before 1998, but not sure of the date. The operator seemed lacking to me. She kept asking the same question, which Shannon probably didn't want to answer. In a case like that, it's better to ask questions that only require a yes or no, like are you near (name a landmark), or name the county instead of asking Shannon to say stuff that other people could overhear.
She says to Mike you were a part of this all along and Mike says I just met him tonight!!! My god this is ridiculous. The murderers are both on that tape!!!!
In her last moments...*disgraced*.....the 911 operator should have acted a little more concerned, but she couldn't be bothered. The operator sounded like she was blowing bubbles with her bubblegum, picking the f●●●ing knots outta her greasy f●●●ing hair! Shannon asked "can't you trace the call".....and as far as I'm concerned she declared a share of responsibility by responding with...."NO, WE CANNOT"
I think that she called 911 and left the line open hoping they could trace her. She didn't want the others around her to know she had called 911. That's why she didnt always answer the 911 operator. Bless her heart she was hoping they could track her. Although that didn't happen she was still able to incriminate some of those who were involved.
Exactly. And she didn't respond to the operators questions because she obviously couldn't be seen by her perps to be holding her phone, OR be heard talking out loud of her address or details. She must've just hoped the call trace would've been enough to find her.
can someone answer why they can track locations and sometimes they cant? no cell towers nearby or?? It breaks my heart because I know I would be having so much hope.. they would hear me and find me. Her getting it on recording is still a huge help but just wish it was prevented 😢
@gracejohnson2186 if they had known she had 911 on the phone, they would have broken the phone and possibly killed her quicker.. or maybe they wouldn't have because they would be scared they were on radar now. Idk but either way, shannan didn't give her a lot to work with. I think shannan was in freeze mode.
@dishdog7886Can you believe those idiots are criticizing police. She sounds like a drunk baby. Clearly the guy wants her out of his house so how was someone after her?
How can the family attorney say the owner of the house nor her driver is involved!?!? That makes no sense! She is talking to Mike before she starts screaming!!!!
@ValleyMermaid thank you for being the only one smart enough to catch how fuckin weird that is not to mention the dude is a defense lawyer lol. And it's pretty much common sense when she was telling the operator someone is after me she wasn't talking about some stranger outside the house like the scumbag lawyer was trying to say. So much wrong with this picture just a perfect example why so many more monsters roam our world today. Sad.
It has been alleged that the john, Joseph Brewer claimed he would not have sex with Shannon that night because he thought she was a man. That is a bizarre thing to say UNLESS at some point in the past he actually hired a sex worker that he thought was a woman and in the bedroom discovered " she " was actually a physical male. It so happens that one of the bodies recovered from Gilgo Beach was indeed a male dressed in female clothing. Could that be the person Joseph Brewer was basing his allegations about Shannon on? If so then it seems to implicate him far deeper into the crime than is being portrayed.
omg exactly my thoughts! ii didnt understand what the lawyer meant. In my mind she was scared of Brewer and Pak. ii think Pak sold her to be killed and ii think Joseph is more powerful with more money than they are leading on!
The police took an unreal amount of time to get there that night. I forget how long but it was close to an hour. When her mother was alive she and some other mothers went out there to attempt to get answers. Some of the residents called the police because they were there. It took something like 12 minutes for the police to arrive then.
OIBA is very corrrupt - from Charlie Serota and others. Misogyny is the least of it. Illegal parties - drug and human trafficking, money laundering from that, sex/orgies, poker $10,000 per hand etc
@@thisaccount4321 which neighbors between Brewer and Colletti also called 911? Where were the Kane family members that morning? They live across from where Brewer lived. Linda (real estate broker) was also a neighbor. She told me two months ago that she’s friends with Evelyn Scalise. This case needs the DoJ
@@thisaccount4321 yes of course - multiple times in reg pace and also slowed down. Shannan knocked the door of on at least one home between Brewer’s and Colettis’ -- was one of them owned by former priest Alan Placa? Also, who is Alan / “Slinkybender”, admin of UtoptiaGuide? That illegal sex trafificking site changed server locations and drugs / rape train parties on LI and in the city at penthouses etc were going strong then (2006-2010). FBI has the details of that site and that’s how the CCC was discovered. Also, who owned and operated LIErotic on which “ItalyRider” threatened to murder Amber Costello?
@@thisaccount4321 A few points: 1) there is no evidence that it was Pak who tried to grab Shannan on or near Brewer’s gravel driveway after she ran down the external wooden side staircase (leading from main floor with Kitchen, BR and LR) 2) there was no car engine sound in the background of her call (not even from Colletti’s after she went up was what then a longer staircase to the front door of that home). Also, the last description of Shannan to 911 was made by Barbara Brennan from her home. In her signed statement to John Ray, she described Shannan’s “baby doll top” and Shannan peering through an item BB had hanging on her front door 3) true / geolocation of her cell phone was allegedly impossible with that phone she held or was in her bra. Later, her mom saw that it turned on (Dec 2011!) 4) Any SCPD, NY State Police or Town of Babylon Constable who responded to Colletti’s and/or Brennan’s 911 calls would have been looking for Shannan 5) She didn’t know she was in OB but there is reference data re: the two female SCPD dispatchers knowing it was 631 (Suffolk). Jones Beach is Nassau 6) where is Brewer’s 911 call on 5-1-2010 or 5-2-2010 and why wasn’t it released to the public? Very odd
This was chilling...she knew they were going to kill her, she saw something, she didn't feel safe. I believe she's the key to this whole thing. Investigators don't have this case figured out yet. Of course all those dead bodies are related. Maybe this is a group that is killing these sex workers. They'd better figure this out.
thats your man imo , how would he phone shannons mum up randomly and say hes looking after her , how did he get her phone number , was hackett in brewers house that night ????
When almost a dozen women wind up murdered and dismembered in the same area, and the police chief, district attorney and anti-corruption prosecutor overseeing that area all wind up getting themselves convicted of conspiracy to obstruct justice, it really does raise more than a few questions.
I think she was drugged, came to and overheard their plot. She knew it would take place elsewhere. Didn't want to leave. Mike was in on it. She says Mike stop and the gig was up when she tells Mike that he was in on it all along. That's when she starts screaming. Evil.
@@HighwayDrive717 I heard that Sherlock. I’m saying that that you still can. A lot of people don’t know where they’re at in an emergency so that’s why they can trace the call.
Why? She did nothing wrong. Atleast she didn't drop the call, she can't do anything else but to ask questions and shannan didn't answer her. I'm sure she would've traced the call if she could because you can hear her liaise with someone on the phone in the backeound
They NEVER convinced me Shannon wasn’t a victim of this/these monsters. I find it extremely suspicious the Doctor called her Mother and claimed he ran a school for wayward girls. The guy was obviously apart of this. The bizarre behaviour was even more strange when the police claimed he was just off. Liked to insert himself in cases etc. Mind blowing and very frustrating. 😡
She said "why are you using my name". Smart girl... she knew this was a set up the minute her driver Michael started using her real name in front of a client...its like a murderer who doesn't hide their face, you know they are going to kill you.
Chilling! Has to be a cover up. Appears she was picked up and murdered in that gated community. Or very near. 12 years to release that 911 call? Something smells rotten! Who did she visit in that gated community?
Don't blame the police dept for her not telling the 911 operator that she was at this location, an appt she booked and drove to with her pimp or driver. She wasn't afraid of the home owner, she was refusing to leave his home & that's all he was asking her to do. Had Shannon said anything, actually answered even one of the questions from the 911 operator, the cops could have been dispatched to the area at least. Possibly you should actually Google your own statement before making a ludicrous comment about updating 911 calls to locate people, they do that and how they save many lives, especially OD's & prostitutes who get in trouble.
police departments are much better about that these days. but back in 2010 they were still adjusting to cellphone technology. I believe smartphones had only recently been introduced at that time so she was probably calling from a flip-phone.
@@pamelamorris3148 honestly if she was having a drug-induced mental breakdown then that might only make her more vulnerable to a killer. I could see a scenario where she flips out, flees a place and people of safety due to paranoia, and ends up caught by a serial killer. People who are having mental health crises are more likely to be victims of violent crimes. It certainly wouldn't be the first time something like that happened
@@pamelamorris3148, you mean the same crooked police department covering things up still today? The ones lying about her murder being not related to the other murders? Right…
It kinda sounds like Shannan might not want to let on to the people around her that she is on the phone with 911. If only half the resources used to locate carlee russel had been used to help Shannan that night, she would likely be alive today 😞 My prayers go out for her family and the others families, may they be comforted and find some degree of peace
She’s asking him why are you going to bring me out in the middle of “No where”. Are you going to kill me once i get out there. She already knew she was in Long Island. The Cabbie was going to take her to a second location out in the “middle of no where” where she objected to go. She knew that was not part of the original plan. The Cabbie responds “Let’s go back to Manhattan. We’re in Long Island. We’re near the water, the ocean.” That part .. his response makes no sense. He’s trying to convince her that he’s going to take her back to Manhattan but obviously she knows that he’s got other plans. He’s going to take her and bring her out “in the middle of nowhere” where she’s likely will be killed if she goes there.
I think when they drove around earlier they were scouting a spot to kill her but for whatever reason they don’t. They decide to kill time at the house and wait till it’s later. She hears them talking about it being the right time to take her out and kill her. She calls 911. She says Mike set her up and was part of it all along. They are trying so hard to get her out in the car. When he realizes she called police he tries to drag her out of there and she runs. He is following her that’s why she is quiet while she is running. He finally caught her and held her for the John to come do his thing. She says you guys are plotting something!!!!! She heard them! My god ARREST THEM!!!!! This is a victim telling who killed her!!!!!
I can not believe that they have not solved the murders of Shannan Gilbert and all of these other women that were killed in that area. Shannon's 911 call told the police what was happening in that area. Please give Shannan and the others that were murdered justice.
Like everyone else, I can’t make any sense out of this phone call and why the dispatcher couldn’t locate the call if she was on the line for 22 mins. No drug was discovered by forensics yet in an interview, yet the driver Mike Pak said she wasn’t making any sense, which sounded like a cover up! It’s clearly obvious that Shannan must’ve discovered something and knew her life was in danger! Sex worker or not, she’s still a person and deserves Justice. Prayers & heart goes out to family & friends! 🙏🏽❤️
“Why are you calling me by my name”. She was supposedly talking to the Cabbie Pimp. So he was calling her by her real Name and not the alias name that she was going by. He called her by her real name and she’s taken aback. “Why are you calling me by my name”
@@M.K.386 he probably knew her real name all along. I’m assuming that he’s her Pimp, transportation and protection. He knows her real name but she wouldn’t expect him to use her real mane in front of clients or people she doesn’t know. So she’s taken aback. Like why would you use my real name in front of strangers unless you know these strangers and you’re trying to set me up.
You can hear her say at one point “So she dies?” 2xs. Overheard what the men were plotting, she had enough conscience to get out of that house as well as having 911 on the line. She didn’t care about the repercussions of getting arrested that night, whatever she had seen or heard obviously freaked her out. Not just a drug issue imo
She sounded high as hell and the only person she was asking about any thing was her own driver. She wasn't afraid of the trick or John. She left and then apparently came back and I don't believe Brewer did anything to her. Why her driver didn't take her back is suspect. She asks if they are going to kill her and keeps saying, No and nothing more. Why she didn't tell them where she was so the cops could go out or even tell them she was on Long Island when she drove there with her pimp. Had she only spoke to 911 instead of keeping saying, Mike, no or stop it, and actually said I'm on the phone with 911 Michael Pack & Brewer & said who's house she was in. She knew both men and did not reveal it, makes you wonder why.
But on the other side of that coin, you can have drug induced psychosis and be running from an imaginary killer… Peter Hackett erased the tapes…? That’s weird. That’s odd.
Also says to the driver you were in on this all along. Then says I won't do that again I'm sorry. She didn't go with the driver for a reason. Coppers never said why.?
If you call and "prank" 911 police would be there fast. Someone calls for there life. " No we can't trace you" something is seriously wrong with our systems.
I’ve followed this case for a decade on true crime channels. I can’t believe it Wow. A lot of cases are coming out as getting solved. Poor Shannon. She knew he was going to kill her. She screamed 15 seconds within talking to her driver. He knows what happenened
Prostitute or no prostitute.... always be aware of your surroundings, landmarks, where you are, nearby streets. Critical information when you are calling for help for any reason.
Watching this a year after it was posted, WOW, all I can say is human trafficking. How the hell in 2010, 911 couldn't locate her? WTF is wrong w the operator? I hope ALL parties involved pay hard for this horrible crime 💔
Home phones give exact locations but cell phones will only ping off the nearest tower. You would think that at least they would get to that area and expand out from there for her.
Maybe her driver made a deal for some big bucks to allow a jon to kill her. He's handing her over. There are definitely more than one guy. She heard them talking, and saw something like a weapon, cause it sounds like she asks, " What are you going to do with that?" She's seeing something and her driver is trying to take her out, where she lost her earring right there in the Jon's front yard, so somebody tried to grab her. She's not freaking out for no reason. She knew her driver sold her out. She's saying, " Mike, Mike, STOP IT". She got robbed by MIKE. Her driver needs to be arrested too.
I don’t understand how the call was this long and police never located her and were sent to that house? Can they really not find your location from a cell phone?
They can from a landline but not a cell. They probably will one day but right now it’s mean literally allowing the government and authorities to track us. I’m not sure why she Didn’t give any information at all. If she’d just said the apartment complex name or street name, they at least could go look. You can’t call and say you’re being followed and expect someone to magically find you. It’s so odd she didn’t know this being a prostitute
She said absolutely nothing and didn't even try to help 911 find her or tell them what was going on and nothing on this tape sounds as if she was in trouble as she never answered one time to help herself. It's sad she was so heavily into drugs that she could not convey or even ask the home owner for the address and the fact she was outside the gate wjth the John and shopping with him & still had no clue where she was. Peter Hackett, the man who erased the videos I believe knows what happened & most likely these girls were used as human prey & hunted by the group of people who were outside on the beach that she claims she was afraid of or after her. It's known she had left Brewers house and ran back there to escape and had she actually took him up to walk her out and put her in the car then he could have more answers for the cops now and at that time. I think the driver/pimp got tired of her and asking why, why, why, stop, stop, stop, and was trying to make him think that cops were on the way yet she gave no information to even help herself. She was given so many prompts DURING this call, yet she never asked or answered 911 dispatch, the police, not one.
@@pamelamorris3148 Each person is a DIFFERENT world, therefore have DIFFERENT reactions to different scenarios. You really don’t know how you’ll react unless you’ve been in a similar situation.
@@pamelamorris3148 I think there was a reason she couldn't say more. Like maybe some of them didn't know she was on the phone. I think Peter Hacket could be the killer. Way too many coincidences with him. Plus the belt that they found has H as one of the initials. Could stand for Hacket.
Wow Is It Not Obvious Who Was Involved?!? You Hear Her Talking To Them And Then She Screams After You Can Hear Who She Was Talking To Smh This Is A Crazy Cover Up And They Just Let This Serial Killer Slip Right Through The Cracks For All These Years 😱😱 Smh Its Very Clear All These Cases Are Connected Too This Just Shows How Corrupted Our Police Depts Can Be Smh What A Shame!!!
So what do you do if the people you call for help are the ones that are killing you, letting you die and looking the other way. Corrupt cops AKA legalized criminals. I can't believe those two guys weren't charged. The driver, the client, and then there's the doctor. The doctor should have been charged too.
The 911 responder should have asked her to at least describe who was after her. She should have had more probing questions . There were so many missed opportunities in this long call till her death.
They didn't have to ask that since it seemed to be very obvious it was the cab driver and the other guy in video that has his name mentioned. It's clear af that they had something to do with everything that went on.
This case scare the heck out of me, I live 20 minutes from that place and had visited that beach so many times , can't believe we still don't know who the killer is. Outrageous
poor girl. this is shameful. I also think this involves police or someone powerful. rich, important. may all the victims rest in peace. but solve this case!!!!!
I remember reading that allegedly the men had shown her a video of a murder and that’s what Shannan expected they were going to do to her. She was betrayed by her driver. Calling 911 threw their plan off.
No doubt she's connected with the other murders. It's insane that they haven't solved these and that killer could very likely still be out there. I hope they all can have justice.
They are, there is more then one in that gated community that knew something or were involved too, no one would even let her in to help her. Police cover up for sure to protect deep rooted bs and people smh. Money/bs over many lives for some rich folk to get /keep control, doin the same thing to people over and over, these police are covering up. Power, money, and multiple in high places to keep the ish going, it needs to come down and these families deserve closure/justice.
It's most likely because they were all involved. They know what happened. Many bodies found around a gated community. Get the REAL detectives to investigate this. Boom many will be involved. Imo!
She clearly knew the people she was speaking to was in on it. I wouldn’t be surprised more people from that area were involved. My prayers go out to these girls and their families.
I remember when this happened. Ive watched every crime show on Shannan and the other girls murdered there. I’m just now hearing her 911 call. I’ve often wondered why they haven’t solved this case. Like Vinnie says, this should have been released to the public immediately to get leads. This is a cover up of some powerful people I believe.
@@tyoung521 with our prayers 🙏 we will see the right people that was there get arrested and pay for their part in this tragedy and we know who are they I don't want to say no names now.g Have a good day.
Thanks Vinnie for putting more attention on this case. No doubt that Shannon’s case is connected. Those people in Gilgo Beach are all wealthy and connected and are getting away with murder. Incredible that law enforcement says these cases are not connected.
Back then I meditated on this case as a Psychic and gathered quite a bit of information but as usual few people listened to me as a Psychic. My Psychic information at the time said the killer is a local man who killed the prostitutes because he wanted to discourage these people from plying their trade in the area and he wanted to clean up the neighborhood. He lived as part of the area, had a house there a boat which he enjoyed on the water and he laughed at authorities because he knew they would never suspect him. I see him taking a bus into manhattan as many do. At the time I saw his job having to do with Large white pipes in a very clean white painted building. I hoped this might help with the case and that is why I am posting again.
They SHOULD HAVE made ALL murders "priority"....thinking 1 person should be above another is the entire problem w our justice system. Whether you have 2cents, 2 billion dollars, whether you're beauty, or an average Jane or Joe...EVERYONE deserves THE TRUTH.
The guy that deleted the tapes should have gone down for upstruction. How was the other to guys not investigated: Even if they didn't do it there is no way people didn't hear the screams.
I think they should charge the "john" and driver with murder. They were clearly involved, and even if authorities can't get all the murderers they could at least get these two.
You're right. The "driver" and the "john" would surely talk. The FBI should be checking sick internet sites, illegal criminal film-making, etc. Or maybe they are and they just can't inform while the investigation is going on.
Anyone who hasn't listened to the podcast 'LISK: Long Island Serial Killer' should really give it a listen. It digs really really REALLY deep & shows so much about corruption & how all of these cases are involved.
Omfg the last part when she said "Mike u were part of this all along " and then the screaming just stunned and shocked me literally I'm shaking that never happens to me
Well CLEARLY - SOMEBODY WAS AFTER HER… since she ended up DEAD!!! So please stop with all the hate and BS. It’s irrelevant if she was on drugs at the time or what have you. She should’ve have been rescued, if the ability was there. She pleaded for help. And we failed her. RIP sister 🙏🏻
The police know exactly who all is responsible and they know that they are all connected. The police should be cringing in embarrassment at how stupid they sound saying they weren't related. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a snuff film yet to be found. Some of those disgustingly rich people are into some sick things.
It's so sad wen we need the police to help or need them to investigate, there is always a reason why!! It doesn't matter what she did as a living or just to survive she deserves justice!
@@AbbyBlackbird seriously sex work needs to be legal these women need money desperately. Why hurt a women helping you then thinking you have a right to kill them! It's so messed up
Such a horrible tragedy...she was murdered and the police did nothing to solve this case as evidenced by the decade of time passing. The police detectives and district attorney's office are guilty of not bringing the murderer to justice. Cover-up is definitely happening in this murder. Condolences to her family.
In 2016 the sister of Shannon murdered their mother. Unbelievable that the cops were corrupt and need to answer for their part. So much tragedy for this family. 😭
Absolutely tragic. Just despicable that this level of cover up is possible in the face of so much evidence. To some men, women are just items. Horrific. I can't use strong enough words to display the level disgust i feel for the corrupt authorities in this case.
My God this is frightening to know that the people you are calling to help you, at 911 and the police, are ultimately the enemies! She never stood a chance, and why didn't the people at the homes of the doors she knocked on help her?!!! What the hell is wrong with these idiots!? I can understand being cautious, but I feel sure that they would have been able to CLEARLY see on her face, how frightened she was. Everywhere she turned for help she was turned away. Sad😔 I pray that these victims RIP and that justice will eventually be served.
They did! Gus Colletti opened his door and let her in. She bolted. Just because the Gilbert lawyer is saying he didn't doesn't make it so. The lawyer has told a number of lies too
Yes I thought was so horrible not getting any help from the neighborhood doors she knocked on! They could of just open garage door and let her in there till help comes! What an awful thing to live with your self by not opening your door!
@@Amidat From GG call it took 20 minutes. Regarding SG calls, she couldn't tell them where she was. Couldn't even identify what county. It was a cell phone and the technology then wasn't able to locate. And before you jump on the 20 minutes response time, LI traffic is horrendous and Oak Beach isn't exactly on the main land.
I feel so sad when these woman are called names and are deemed. The majority have had terrible lives and have had sexually abusive family's. Many have run away to escape their terrible lives and have had no other way of surviving.
Exactly. Most women have suffered some form of sexual abusive in their formative years. Sad but usually by family or family friend. They’re the ones who suffer the damage these evil predators have inflicted on them. I remember a time when LEO would arrest the female sex worker but allow the “johns” to walk away. Wtf?! Told me everything I needs to know how people view these women. Sad thing is that 99% of these female porn “stars” are not there willingly. They are part of trafficking, so when these deviant men watch this vile crap, they are supporting this abuse.
She says to mike her driver "you were in on this all along". I wonder if he was offered enough money to bring her to someone that planned to attack or even kill her. Now that they've just caught that architect/serial murderer, I wonder if that'll connect or disconnect Shannon's death to the other women's deaths. Years ago I saw a program that left many concerns around the doctor who erased the surveillance tapes. Because a number of the bodies had parts removed, they posed the possibility that his medical knowledge would've enabled him to have done this. I gotta wonder if he knew the architect now in custody.
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Always enjoy Closing Argument. You guys should live stream it on TH-cam everyday.
@@jameslinmd They are trying to get us to pay for viewership.
These initials and belt are 100% a female's property. A man would not be wearing this but most females would. I have custom belts made and even recently where I have initials or my name stamped into it. It's viewable to whomever is behind me as long as my shirts are tucked. This is something a hippy/gypsy/free spirit person who was wearing this belt. Definitely not a man.
@@jameslinmd During the AH/JD trial Court TV was streaming Closing Arguments live every night, I would watch it the next morning. Now for some odd reason they're only releasing partial clips. Very frustrating!
@@pamelamorris3148 it could be an equestrian belt or accordion belt. Don’t rule out either. It’s highly suspect that SCPD didn’t show the entire belt
I want to THANK YOU. Shannan has almost no one left to fight for her at all. Her mother was murdered, her father never involved. This case was never left me and I glad her story is getting told again.
Who do you think hired the Atty? They just said she has sisters and family left that are pursuing the case.
That's not a very kind thing to say when her sisters have been fighting for her for 12 years.
Her screams ripped at my heart. Guess she wasn’t important because of two reasons. One ….. female and two……. She was a sex worker
@@pamelamorris3148 you need an attorney when the cops are F-ing with you an will not give you information about your daughters murder. They wouldn't let her mom listen to the 23 minute 911 call. Her mom fought with for the release of this 911 call till she was murdered. The doctor that supposedly helped girls from his house erased the videos. He also called Shannon's mom the morning she died. Why he lied about that call I guess we will never know. The police hated Shannon's mom because she bugged them to much trying to get answers.
@@pamelamorris3148 Sorry read your comment wrong.
She says “you were a part of this “. Whoever this guy she is talking to knows a lot more than he is saying. Does anyone else smell a cover up here ???
It's her driver, Mike Pact, whom she knew very well and was her pimp and protector for her Johns. They normally wait for the person and take them back. It wasn't Brewer. Whomever the pimp/driver made arrangements with after her liason with Brewer is who's responsible for her death. I think it was Pact since she wasn't cooperating and had no idea what or where she was & did call 911 & was trying to scare or intimidate him by doing so and he knew she didn't tell them anything or even answer even one question.
@@pamelamorris3148 yes. That makes sense.
that was her driver, Mike Pact. She had probably taking drugs or drinking with her client and might have been disoriented. however that didn't mean something bad didn't happen at the client's, and it doesn't mean that she couldn't have met up with a serial killer later after she ran away. or he was related to the situation, serial killers sometimes work in teams
@@platedlizard these people were in on it… and apparently might be the community to! But these two men need to be charged for sure.
@@platedlizard she sounds hurt. She's killed right in front of her driver who was just talking to her. It's obvious he was paid to give her to someone to dispose of.
That police chief and the whole department needs to be investigated! This is a disgrace and these victims and family need justice! Someone needs do a independent investigation .
there's been a lot of rumors about him, wild parties. I'm not someone into conspiracy theories but I do remember how reluctant the police were to investigate Robert Pickton because his pig farm was used as a party location and hosted bands and concerts to which the local cops were invited and i wouldn't be surprised if there was a similar situation
They were but not until years later the stories should be on TH-cam
100%
That's right nothing changes if nothing changes.
@@platedlizard if he has a pig farm, then he definitely has much more victims. Pigs are capable of eating human bones, especially if its butchered for their mouth sizes.
To me, Shannon is a hero for alerting the police to a serial killer. And, I don't care what anyone says, she did not accidentally die in a body dump site! Nope, no coincidences in murder. And, both her driver and the owner of that home lied. They know much more than they are telling!
I believe Rex was there & they know each other, and they set her up to be murdered .
@@melindalynn-00or she saw him out the window because new evidence eye witness says shannan ran from rex once upon a time
@melinda820 oh yeah Rex was there & silent
You are right!
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She’s wasn’t a prostitute when she was murdered
She was a human
A victim
Poor Angel ❤
Amen 🙏🏻🥺
Right! Like it shouldn’t matter if she was. Murder is murder
yes she was a human
yes she was a victim
yes she was a prostitute when she was murdered
yes she was a escort
yes she was selling her body for money
yes she found herself with someone who had an agenda other than straight sex whether that was sexual sadism or some other devious
thoughts. If not rex then someone else who is still out there looking for there next victim. Ladies dont kid youself
you are playing with your lives. Its never to late to quit. Turn to God He loves you. Tell Jesus your sorry and ask for forgiveness and turn from your sin. God in his awsome love and grace will give you eternal life in his kingdom. I did!!!!!
More than 1 was involved.
And a prostitute.
Someone, or several people, are being protected. RIP Shannan. So terrible what happened to her and all the other girls.
Fake news
She was tripping on drugs man. Her Driver and the John were trying to get her to leave the house.
@@iceKOIdthen why was she attacked and shot?
@@sherrykrause3410 she wasn't
@@andrewboyle7944 and/or strangled. What else?
This is NOT because the ladies were of the evening. This is covering up a powerful person, either in a policing position, political figure or very very wealthy. In my opinion because they have let these families suffer and suffer for years. Shame on all of them, their disgusting life forms to do such a thing to these victims and their loved ones left behind to endure this.
I believe it’s because she was a sex worker. I’ve watched so much crime tv and it’s hard to find suspects and they just don’t put as much effort into searching.
this should have been a top priority case, these young women deserve justice. predators target sex workers because they're easier to get, it's not because of their occupation. there are predators that target real estate agents for the same reason, both groups go off with strangers to isolated homes. I hope these women get justice. They deserve so much better
Definitely someone with lots of money and clout.
it doesn't even have to be the case of the cops having direct knowledge. Robert Pickton got away with his murders for decades because his farm was a popular party/concert location and the local cops didn't want to disrupt their favorite bands. Supposedly Nickelback even played there once! He didn't get caught until after that got closed down. This is despite multiple victims fleeing the location or being taken there and never appearing again. Would not surprise me if it turned out to be a similar situation. Like, I don't think the cops knew Robert was a serial killer but I do think the cops overlooked the shady stuff he and his brother did because heeeey they're buddies amirite? It's easy to ignore the sins of your "friends" if you don't care about the victims.
I have been watching this case since it came out and watching the show about gilgo Beach murders and these police are covering it up because she was a sex worker all those people found were sex workers and they have taken little time and effort to solve this case and it's sad no one should be judged over the job they have to do to survive especially when they are murdered but that is exactly what these police have done that's what they mean they have done very little to solve this case for these victims and they won't do much more endless someone else gets on this case who isn't connected to this police department otherwise it will never be solved she clearly was murdered and since day one these police have said she drowned accidentally and that's the story they have been trying to feed the public since day one yet there are very clear signs she was viciously strangled
It is so nerve wracking to hear someone asking for help and to know nothing was done. It is clear there's several people there, now they have one serial killer in jail but there's more than one person in the 911 recording. I just hope they get every single one involved.
I just don't understand why people think Brewer and Pak were involved. The tape of the call clearly matches the story that Brewer was trying to get her to leave and she would not. Everything about her behavior and her on the call sounds like someone having a bad drug reaction or a mental health episode, not two men trying to hurt her.
All those men are party to this murder.
He wanted her to leave so that they could kill her out of the house.
@@chrystalblue7170 What evidence are you basing that on? What is their motivation? Shannon is Mike's income. Why would he want her dead?
It is possible that several people participated in these murders. Some of the police are in it.
Who are those guys with her and why haven’t they been arrested?
So glad you are covering this. She too deserves justice. Her poor mother tried!
sorry but its too much of a coincidence that shannon who was an escort would run into a killling field of other victims
Mike DEFINITELY set her up.
"Mike, you were a part of this all along" ... that breaks my heart and makes me angry.
This needs to be shared over and over especially NOW!
I was just thinking that. It gave me chills hearing the call knowing they arrested the Gilgo serial killer.
No. It does not.
I wonder if corrupt police chief was patrolling the area at that time. He was involved with sex workers too - I believe he became chief after they finally found her body & stopped the FBI from coming in. What if they were pulled over by or had a run in w/ Burke when they all left the house. If so could he have said or done something to scare her.
“Burke himself would become the focus of an FBI investigation stemming from an incident in 2012 when he attacked a thief, Christopher Loeb, after he broke into his squad car and stole a duffel bag containing porn and sex toys”
@@jessecurlgoddess7320 where is this info? That sounds sick.
Yes, this is terrible. There needs to be more pressure for every person involved in this case. HOA president Dr. Peter Hacket deleted the videos. James Brooke the police chief who was caught having sex with a prostitution in his cop car did not let the FBI get involved in this case. I hope to hear Justice being brought to these people who took her life as joke.
A 911 operator is asking what number she is calling from? I'm done. This is suffering for me .
This was before 911 could automatically track a number.
@@Leopardvixen369
Dumb
@@Leopardvixen369 What year was it? Actually, as I think about it, 911 knew your number you were calling from BEFORE we had cell phones. I dialed it once and hung up immediately and they called me back right within seconds. That was probably not before 1998, but not sure of the date. The operator seemed lacking to me. She kept asking the same question, which Shannon probably didn't want to answer. In a case like that, it's better to ask questions that only require a yes or no, like are you near (name a landmark), or name the county instead of asking Shannon to say stuff that other people could overhear.
She says to Mike you were a part of this all along and Mike says I just met him tonight!!! My god this is ridiculous. The murderers are both on that tape!!!!
Exactly!!
So sad and scary!
Yep, they set her up . All those men there, know what happened to her and they did it, Rex was probably involved.
In her last moments...*disgraced*.....the 911 operator should have acted a little more concerned, but she couldn't be bothered. The operator sounded like she was blowing bubbles with her bubblegum, picking the f●●●ing knots outta her greasy f●●●ing hair! Shannon asked "can't you trace the call".....and as far as I'm concerned she declared a share of responsibility by responding with...."NO, WE CANNOT"
Cops killed her
I think that she called 911 and left the line open hoping they could trace her. She didn't want the others around her to know she had called 911. That's why she didnt always answer the 911 operator.
Bless her heart she was hoping they could track her. Although that didn't happen she was still able to incriminate some of those who were involved.
Exactly. And she didn't respond to the operators questions because she obviously couldn't be seen by her perps to be holding her phone, OR be heard talking out loud of her address or details. She must've just hoped the call trace would've been enough to find her.
I hope they get enough evidence to get her justice.
can someone answer why they can track locations and sometimes they cant? no cell towers nearby or??
It breaks my heart because I know I would be having so much hope.. they would hear me and find me. Her getting it on recording is still a huge help but just wish it was prevented 😢
She clearly said, "Mike, stop it. You guys are planning something."
So she was clearly freaked out by Pak and Brewer who were never charged with anything. WTF?
Unbelievable how the police handled this call 😢
At least he's been caught. An architect of all people. Also a Gun nut...
@dishdog7886The 911 operator could have asked Shannon to speak to the person that was talking in the background. Simply put, she didn't do her job.
@gracejohnson2186 if they had known she had 911 on the phone, they would have broken the phone and possibly killed her quicker.. or maybe they wouldn't have because they would be scared they were on radar now. Idk but either way, shannan didn't give her a lot to work with. I think shannan was in freeze mode.
@@gigigiseleworld they are not sure if he is involved with this one or the others. He’s only been charged with 3 so far
@dishdog7886Can you believe those idiots are criticizing police. She sounds like a drunk baby. Clearly the guy wants her out of his house so how was someone after her?
How can the family attorney say the owner of the house nor her driver is involved!?!? That makes no sense! She is talking to Mike before she starts screaming!!!!
they are definitely involved in one way or another.
@ValleyMermaid thank you for being the only one smart enough to catch how fuckin weird that is not to mention the dude is a defense lawyer lol. And it's pretty much common sense when she was telling the operator someone is after me she wasn't talking about some stranger outside the house like the scumbag lawyer was trying to say. So much wrong with this picture just a perfect example why so many more monsters roam our world today. Sad.
He playing both sides...he got paid off too
It has been alleged that the john, Joseph Brewer claimed he would not have sex with Shannon that night because he thought she was a man. That is a bizarre thing to say UNLESS at some point in the past he actually hired a sex worker that he thought was a woman and in the bedroom discovered " she " was actually a physical male. It so happens that one of the bodies recovered from Gilgo Beach was indeed a male dressed in female clothing. Could that be the person Joseph Brewer was basing his allegations about Shannon on? If so then it seems to implicate him far deeper into the crime than is being portrayed.
That makes complete sense!! Wow
Wow
Smart thought
omg exactly my thoughts! ii didnt understand what the lawyer meant. In my mind she was scared of Brewer and Pak. ii think Pak sold her to be killed and ii think Joseph is more powerful with more money than they are leading on!
Him and the doctor may be working together SMH
So, if the 2 men whose voices we heard on the 911 call weren’t involved in her demise, WHY didn’t they help her?!??
My thoughts exactky
What about Mike Pax and Brewer and the police and the doctor ? Why just this new guy ? Odd ?
Probably because there are POS!
Not for nothing but it sounds like the driver IS trying to help. She is incoherent and in a psychotic state.
@@brianedwards4703She sounds drugged up, like Brewer drugged her.
Why arent these two men being treated as suspects as well?
She said, "Mike, stop! You guys are planning something"
An outside agency needs to be brought in to investigate these murders. That is the only way to find out the truth of who is behind all these murders.
They are a community of hunters. They hunted her. 😔
That is seriously scary.
Colletti said in one of the interviews that there was a car chasing her and it went off after her
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The police took an unreal amount of time to get there that night. I forget how long but it was close to an hour. When her mother was alive she and some other mothers went out there to attempt to get answers. Some of the residents called the police because they were there. It took something like 12 minutes for the police to arrive then.
OIBA is very corrrupt - from Charlie Serota and others. Misogyny is the least of it. Illegal parties - drug and human trafficking, money laundering from that, sex/orgies, poker $10,000 per hand etc
@@thisaccount4321 which neighbors between Brewer and Colletti also called 911? Where were the Kane family members that morning? They live across from where Brewer lived. Linda (real estate broker) was also a neighbor.
She told me two months ago that she’s friends with Evelyn Scalise. This case needs the DoJ
@@thisaccount4321 yes of course - multiple times in reg pace and also slowed down. Shannan knocked the door of on at least one home between Brewer’s and Colettis’ -- was one of them owned by former priest Alan Placa?
Also, who is Alan / “Slinkybender”, admin of UtoptiaGuide? That illegal sex trafificking site changed server locations and drugs / rape train parties on LI and in the city at penthouses etc were going strong then (2006-2010). FBI has the details of that site and that’s how the CCC was discovered. Also, who owned and operated LIErotic on which “ItalyRider” threatened to murder Amber Costello?
@@thisaccount4321 A few points:
1) there is no evidence that it was Pak who tried to grab Shannan on or near Brewer’s gravel driveway after she ran down the external wooden side staircase (leading from main floor with Kitchen, BR and LR)
2) there was no car engine sound in the background of her call (not even from Colletti’s after she went up was what then a longer staircase to the front door of that home). Also, the last description of Shannan to 911 was made by Barbara Brennan from her home.
In her signed statement to John Ray, she described Shannan’s “baby doll top” and Shannan peering through an item BB had hanging on her front door
3) true / geolocation of her cell phone was allegedly impossible with that phone she held or was in her bra. Later, her mom saw that it turned on (Dec 2011!)
4) Any SCPD, NY State Police or Town of Babylon Constable who responded to Colletti’s and/or Brennan’s 911 calls would have been looking for Shannan
5) She didn’t know she was in OB but there is reference data re: the two female SCPD dispatchers knowing it was 631 (Suffolk). Jones Beach is Nassau
6) where is Brewer’s 911 call on 5-1-2010 or 5-2-2010
and why wasn’t it released to the public?
Very odd
No the police took way longer. They got there past 5am. Shannan called between 4-4:30 in the morning.
How many times does a woman have to say "NO, STOP!"?
This was chilling...she knew they were going to kill her, she saw something, she didn't feel safe. I believe she's the key to this whole thing. Investigators don't have this case figured out yet. Of course all those dead bodies are related. Maybe this is a group that is killing these sex workers. They'd better figure this out.
They arrested the guy Thursday.. he was an architect who worked in Manhattan
@@moebetta2485so far it's him they need an independent investigation for full truth to come out.
@@moebetta2485But there were TWO Male voices in her 911 call.
@@moebetta2485 I doubt it was him
@@moebetta2485there is more than one man in the police call… it was multiple people
Again, why is everyone brushing over the fact that Peter Hackett erased the tapes…
thats your man imo , how would he phone shannons mum up randomly and say hes looking after her , how did he get her phone number , was hackett in brewers house that night ????
Yes!! Also Burke, the police chief at the time.
Also Charlie Serota - Arnie Lanzelotta - they both knew so much more as well !!!!
@@thespursfan7564 I agree. Its him. He moved after Shannon's murder too. Now in Florida. Murders her have stopped coincidently.
@@aliciahoverson bingo
This brewer was a middleman and Mike was the delivery guy. Something was going on out there
Between the weird doctor and creepy chief of police. This is a cover up.
When almost a dozen women wind up murdered and dismembered in the same area, and the police chief, district attorney and anti-corruption prosecutor overseeing that area all wind up getting themselves convicted of conspiracy to obstruct justice, it really does raise more than a few questions.
@Miketheratguymultimedia THANK YOU! EXCATLY!!!!!!
I think she was drugged, came to and overheard their plot. She knew it would take place elsewhere. Didn't want to leave. Mike was in on it. She says Mike stop and the gig was up when she tells Mike that he was in on it all along. That's when she starts screaming. Evil.
That operator needs to be arrested and fired, she's the worst I've ever heard.😢
Right?! You can trace the location of a call!
@@meesh1002could have asked so many more questions except “where are you?”
@@meesh1002 obviously she couldn't trace the call. Did you not hear?
@@HighwayDrive717 I heard that Sherlock. I’m saying that that you still can. A lot of people don’t know where they’re at in an emergency so that’s why they can trace the call.
Why? She did nothing wrong. Atleast she didn't drop the call, she can't do anything else but to ask questions and shannan didn't answer her. I'm sure she would've traced the call if she could because you can hear her liaise with someone on the phone in the backeound
This has been, imo, hugely important all along. Her location and activities that night are key to the entire case! 🙌🏽
Michael Pak knows more than he's telling investigators. I didn't like how he was chuckling about being near the ocean
They NEVER convinced me Shannon wasn’t a victim of this/these monsters. I find it extremely suspicious the Doctor called her Mother and claimed he ran a school for wayward girls. The guy was obviously apart of this. The bizarre behaviour was even more strange when the police claimed he was just off. Liked to insert himself in cases etc. Mind blowing and very frustrating. 😡
I totally agree, his actions were suspicious and should be looked at again.
Which woman ran the fluke calls?
Couldn't agree more!
Especially considering the serial killer calls victims families …
She sounds like she was drugged
There’s multiple people in that call. Who else was there and why aren’t they being investigated? Coverup
She said "why are you using my name". Smart girl... she knew this was a set up the minute her driver Michael started using her real name in front of a client...its like a murderer who doesn't hide their face, you know they are going to kill you.
Exactly. ❤
Why do you think he used her real name? What significance does that hold?
Most of these girls use a fake name. At that point Mike knew she was going to die so he didn't care using her real name
Chilling! Has to be a cover up. Appears she was picked up and murdered in that gated community. Or very near. 12 years to release that 911 call? Something smells rotten! Who did she visit in that gated community?
God these people are sick. That's why everytime a comet is spotted I say come on. Maybe some people will wake up
I watched Lost Girls movie about this crime. Her mother faught for every piece of information she could find.
This is so sad. America needs to upgrade 911 phone calls to track the callers.
Disgusting police dept!
Ahh, they already have it.
Don't blame the police dept for her not telling the 911 operator that she was at this location, an appt she booked and drove to with her pimp or driver. She wasn't afraid of the home owner, she was refusing to leave his home & that's all he was asking her to do. Had Shannon said anything, actually answered even one of the questions from the 911 operator, the cops could have been dispatched to the area at least. Possibly you should actually Google your own statement before making a ludicrous comment about updating 911 calls to locate people, they do that and how they save many lives, especially OD's & prostitutes who get in trouble.
police departments are much better about that these days. but back in 2010 they were still adjusting to cellphone technology. I believe smartphones had only recently been introduced at that time so she was probably calling from a flip-phone.
@@pamelamorris3148 honestly if she was having a drug-induced mental breakdown then that might only make her more vulnerable to a killer. I could see a scenario where she flips out, flees a place and people of safety due to paranoia, and ends up caught by a serial killer. People who are having mental health crises are more likely to be victims of violent crimes. It certainly wouldn't be the first time something like that happened
@@pamelamorris3148, you mean the same crooked police department covering things up still today? The ones lying about her murder being not related to the other murders? Right…
So you hear 2 men on the phone call and a scream yet those 2 men know nothing ... 🤔 Bizarre
I cant believe that she was still murdered after this 911 call where names were said and no killet was found
It kinda sounds like Shannan might not want to let on to the people around her that she is on the phone with 911. If only half the resources used to locate carlee russel had been used to help Shannan that night, she would likely be alive today 😞 My prayers go out for her family and the others families, may they be comforted and find some degree of peace
She knew. She had a feeling. I hope one day she gets justice as well as the other girls.
She will I'm going to make sure of it
Many of the culprits should be in prison, the residents involved and the police. This is a disgrace., so obvious it's a cover up.
She’s asking him why are you going to bring me out in the middle of “No where”. Are you going to kill me once i get out there. She already knew she was in Long Island. The Cabbie was going to take her to a second location out in the “middle of no where” where she objected to go. She knew that was not part of the original plan. The Cabbie responds “Let’s go back to Manhattan. We’re in Long Island. We’re near the water, the ocean.” That part .. his response makes no sense. He’s trying to convince her that he’s going to take her back to Manhattan but obviously she knows that he’s got other plans. He’s going to take her and bring her out “in the middle of nowhere” where she’s likely will be killed if she goes there.
Thank you, John Ray for investigating Shannan’s case and fighting to discover the truth. Thank you for going up against these corrupt cops.
With Rex Heuermann arrested I wonder whats the relationship between him, Michael Pak and Joseph Brewer! Poor girl knew what was coming next.
I think when they drove around earlier they were scouting a spot to kill her but for whatever reason they don’t. They decide to kill time at the house and wait till it’s later. She hears them talking about it being the right time to take her out and kill her. She calls 911. She says Mike set her up and was part of it all along. They are trying so hard to get her out in the car. When he realizes she called police he tries to drag her out of there and she runs. He is following her that’s why she is quiet while she is running. He finally caught her and held her for the John to come do his thing. She says you guys are plotting something!!!!! She heard them! My god ARREST THEM!!!!! This is a victim telling who killed her!!!!!
I can not believe that they have not solved the murders of Shannan Gilbert and all of these other women that were killed in that area. Shannon's 911 call told the police what was happening in that area. Please give Shannan and the others that were murdered justice.
there was a dead baby and mother! just unbelievable that there was no investigation there
They caught him
@@biozio186 He is not the only one.
@@Tamfel_85 who else do you think is involved? Maybe the police
Why weren’t people at the house investigated?
@gb3376 M.O.N.E.Y there it's spelled out to help you catch up
Whoever the driver is needs to be questioned. I won’t be surprised if he drove all those other girls there as well.
No doubt. These people could have been arrested that night and maybe some of these women would still be alive.
Like everyone else, I can’t make any sense out of this phone call and why the dispatcher couldn’t locate the call if she was on the line for 22 mins. No drug was discovered by forensics yet in an interview, yet the driver Mike Pak said she wasn’t making any sense, which sounded like a cover up! It’s clearly obvious that Shannan must’ve discovered something and knew her life was in danger! Sex worker or not, she’s still a person and deserves Justice. Prayers & heart goes out to family & friends! 🙏🏽❤️
Absolutely chilling and heartbreaking.
“Why are you calling me by my name”. She was supposedly talking to the Cabbie Pimp. So he was calling her by her real Name and not the alias name that she was going by. He called her by her real name and she’s taken aback. “Why are you calling me by my name”
How did he know her real name?
@@M.K.386 he probably knew her real name all along. I’m assuming that he’s her Pimp, transportation and protection. He knows her real name but she wouldn’t expect him to use her real mane in front of clients or people she doesn’t know. So she’s taken aback. Like why would you use my real name in front of strangers unless you know these strangers and you’re trying to set me up.
You can hear her say at one point
“So she dies?” 2xs. Overheard what the men were plotting, she had enough conscience to get out of that house as well as having 911 on the line. She didn’t care about the repercussions of getting arrested that night, whatever she had seen or heard obviously freaked her out. Not just a drug issue imo
CORRUPT LONG ISLAND POLICE MAY BE INVOLVED.
She sounded high as hell and the only person she was asking about any thing was her own driver. She wasn't afraid of the trick or John. She left and then apparently came back and I don't believe Brewer did anything to her. Why her driver didn't take her back is suspect. She asks if they are going to kill her and keeps saying, No and nothing more. Why she didn't tell them where she was so the cops could go out or even tell them she was on Long Island when she drove there with her pimp. Had she only spoke to 911 instead of keeping saying, Mike, no or stop it, and actually said I'm on the phone with 911 Michael Pack & Brewer & said who's house she was in. She knew both men and did not reveal it, makes you wonder why.
But on the other side of that coin, you can have drug induced psychosis and be running from an imaginary killer… Peter Hackett erased the tapes…? That’s weird. That’s odd.
if i recall correctly she ran off and banged on someone else's door, they called the police but she ran off before they could save her.
Also says to the driver you were in on this all along. Then says I won't do that again I'm sorry. She didn't go with the driver for a reason. Coppers never said why.?
There is more than one person involved here and current media coverage is telling us look here not there.
Or it’s unrelated 🤦
How can anyone believe it was an accident she died this night and just so happened to end up with all the other bodies? Unbelievable
If you call and "prank" 911 police would be there fast. Someone calls for there life. " No we can't trace you" something is seriously wrong with our systems.
Since one can't they trace a phone call? Do you know if the priest even showed up there that night?
I’ve followed this case for a decade on true crime channels. I can’t believe it Wow. A lot of cases are coming out as getting solved. Poor Shannon. She knew he was going to kill her. She screamed 15 seconds within talking to her driver. He knows what happenened
They caught him
@@biozio186 He wasn't charged with Shannan's death.
@@biozio186 not charged for her or 6 other bodies found... so no - not the same
@Amidat yeah thanks for the update Sherlock Holmes.
Prostitute or no prostitute.... always be aware of your surroundings, landmarks, where you are, nearby streets. Critical information when you are calling for help for any reason.
Watching this a year after it was posted, WOW, all I can say is human trafficking. How the hell in 2010, 911 couldn't locate her? WTF is wrong w the operator? I hope ALL parties involved pay hard for this horrible crime 💔
Home phones give exact locations but cell phones will only ping off the nearest tower. You would think that at least they would get to that area and expand out from there for her.
Maybe her driver made a deal for some big bucks to allow a jon to kill her. He's handing her over. There are definitely more than one guy. She heard them talking, and saw something like a weapon, cause it sounds like she asks, " What are you going to do with that?" She's seeing something and her driver is trying to take her out, where she lost her earring right there in the Jon's front yard, so somebody tried to grab her. She's not freaking out for no reason. She knew her driver sold her out. She's saying, " Mike, Mike, STOP IT". She got robbed by MIKE. Her driver needs to be arrested too.
I don’t understand how the call was this long and police never located her and were sent to that house? Can they really not find your location from a cell phone?
They can from a landline but not a cell. They probably will one day but right now it’s mean literally allowing the government and authorities to track us. I’m not sure why she Didn’t give any information at all. If she’d just said the apartment complex name or street name, they at least could go look. You can’t call and say you’re being followed and expect someone to magically find you. It’s so odd she didn’t know this being a prostitute
cellphone location technology was not as good back then.
Fossil Friendly okay, thank you!
Heather Hollenmen okay, I understand, thank you!
It was 2010
This was beyond painful to listen to… 💔
She said absolutely nothing and didn't even try to help 911 find her or tell them what was going on and nothing on this tape sounds as if she was in trouble as she never answered one time to help herself. It's sad she was so heavily into drugs that she could not convey or even ask the home owner for the address and the fact she was outside the gate wjth the John and shopping with him & still had no clue where she was.
Peter Hackett, the man who erased the videos I believe knows what happened & most likely these girls were used as human prey & hunted by the group of people who were outside on the beach that she claims she was afraid of or after her. It's known she had left Brewers house and ran back there to escape and had she actually took him up to walk her out and put her in the car then he could have more answers for the cops now and at that time. I think the driver/pimp got tired of her and asking why, why, why, stop, stop, stop, and was trying to make him think that cops were on the way yet she gave no information to even help herself.
She was given so many prompts DURING this call, yet she never asked or answered 911 dispatch, the police, not one.
@@pamelamorris3148 Each person is a DIFFERENT world, therefore have DIFFERENT reactions to different scenarios. You really don’t know how you’ll react unless you’ve been in a similar situation.
@@pamelamorris3148 I think there was a reason she couldn't say more. Like maybe some of them didn't know she was on the phone. I think Peter Hacket could be the killer. Way too many coincidences with him. Plus the belt that they found has H as one of the initials. Could stand for Hacket.
@@StaceyLovesBettyBoopWere the initials RH?
Wow Is It Not Obvious Who Was Involved?!? You Hear Her Talking To Them And Then She Screams After You Can Hear Who She Was Talking To Smh This Is A Crazy Cover Up And They Just Let This Serial Killer Slip Right Through The Cracks For All These Years 😱😱 Smh Its Very Clear All These Cases Are Connected Too This Just Shows How Corrupted Our Police Depts Can Be Smh What A Shame!!!
So what do you do if the people you call for help are the ones that are killing you, letting you die and looking the other way. Corrupt cops AKA legalized criminals. I can't believe those two guys weren't charged. The driver, the client, and then there's the doctor. The doctor should have been charged too.
The 911 responder should have asked her to at least describe who was after her. She should have had more probing questions . There were so many missed opportunities in this long call till her death.
They didn't have to ask that since it seemed to be very obvious it was the cab driver and the other guy in video that has his name mentioned. It's clear af that they had something to do with everything that went on.
@@SmCeZzY123meshe kept saying there were people that wanted to kill her - she should have been asked to describe them. This operator failed Shannon
she was all lazy and yawning and not interested
How is it possible that 911 cant trace a simple f ing call?!
This case scare the heck out of me, I live 20 minutes from that place and had visited that beach so many times , can't believe we still don't know who the killer is. Outrageous
Is a police chief
We do now...
poor girl. this is shameful. I also think this involves police or someone powerful. rich, important. may all the victims rest in peace. but solve this case!!!!!
The driver and the john set her up they are not helping her
I remember reading that allegedly the men had shown her a video of a murder and that’s what Shannan expected they were going to do to her. She was betrayed by her driver. Calling 911 threw their plan off.
What happened to the ‘Dr. ‘ that erased the tape of anyone that arrived at the gated community that night?
Ran to florida
No doubt she's connected with the other murders. It's insane that they haven't solved these and that killer could very likely still be out there. I hope they all can have justice.
Most likely still killing.. just dumping the bodies somewhere else 🤷🏼♀️
They are, there is more then one in that gated community that knew something or were involved too, no one would even let her in to help her. Police cover up for sure to protect deep rooted bs and people smh. Money/bs over many lives for some rich folk to get /keep control, doin the same thing to people over and over, these police are covering up. Power, money, and multiple in high places to keep the ish going, it needs to come down and these families deserve closure/justice.
@@SexyPantsBrox3 meh I think he’s likely dead, incarcerated, or moved somewhere else
that killer is connected to brewer
It's most likely because they were all involved. They know what happened. Many bodies found around a gated community. Get the REAL detectives to investigate this. Boom many will be involved. Imo!
Sounds like someone in high places is serial killer, and Shannon was about to expose them.
This is absolutely creepy as all hell
She clearly knew the people she was speaking to was in on it. I wouldn’t be surprised more people from that area were involved. My prayers go out to these girls and their families.
I remember when this happened. Ive watched every crime show on Shannan and the other girls murdered there. I’m just now hearing her 911 call. I’ve often wondered why they haven’t solved this case. Like Vinnie says, this should have been released to the public immediately to get leads. This is a cover up of some powerful people I believe.
For sure RIP GIRLS 🌼🕊️🌼🕊️🌼🕊️🌼🕊️
I agree.... Looks like joseph brewer forced her to go.
Let there be justice for Shannon... 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏💯💛❤️
❤️🙏🏻
@@tyoung521 with our prayers 🙏 we will see the right people that was there get arrested and pay for their part in this tragedy and we know who are they I don't want to say no names now.g
Have a good day.
Thanks Vinnie for putting more attention on this case. No doubt that Shannon’s case is connected. Those people in Gilgo Beach are all wealthy and connected and are getting away with murder. Incredible that law enforcement says these cases are not connected.
Back then I meditated on this case as a Psychic and gathered quite a bit of information but as usual few people listened to me as a Psychic. My Psychic information at the time said the killer is a local man who killed the prostitutes because he wanted to discourage these people from plying their trade in the area and he wanted to clean up the neighborhood. He lived as part of the area, had a house there a boat which he enjoyed on the water and he laughed at authorities because he knew they would never suspect him. I see him taking a bus into manhattan as many do. At the time I saw his job having to do with Large white pipes in a very clean white painted building. I hoped this might help with the case and that is why I am posting again.
@@CVT6702 🙄
Bc they're in on it and protecting someone within their ranks or one of the wealthy powerful men that live there.
@@CVT6702oh brother. Some of what you're saying can be deducted with simple pragmatic logic and reasoning. The rest is just hogwash.
@@robwernet9609 /What I have written is the Gods truth from the soul record's in heaven.
I’ve been following this case for yrs. It’s so unbelievably sad that they didn’t make Shannan a priority 😢. She was beautiful ❤️ RIP 🙏🏻
Heartbreaking💔
Even sadder one of her sisters eneded up killing the mother..
They SHOULD HAVE made ALL murders "priority"....thinking 1 person should be above another is the entire problem w our justice system. Whether you have 2cents, 2 billion dollars, whether you're beauty, or an average Jane or Joe...EVERYONE deserves THE TRUTH.
Her family has lived a nightmare..pray for her sister sharee who lost her sister, mother and all has a sister in prison for killing there mom..
@@hotbammamom33 yeah that’s even more tragic 💔
Hearing her last moments is a horror movie. Monstrous someone gets off like this
The guy that deleted the tapes should have gone down for upstruction.
How was the other to guys not investigated: Even if they didn't do it there is no way people didn't hear the screams.
I think they should charge the "john" and driver with murder. They were clearly involved, and even if authorities can't get all the murderers they could at least get these two.
I think the “John” killed himself. I was really curious about this case a few years ago. Now I might be wrong but I think I remember that part.
You're right. The "driver" and the "john" would surely talk. The FBI should be checking sick internet sites, illegal criminal film-making, etc. Or maybe they are and they just can't inform while the investigation is going on.
I agree someone will talk then
If they are charged with murder, they may sing like canaries…
No. They aren't. That's a "red herring." The LISK may be suspected, but cannot be "outed" because they don't have enough evidence.
Anyone who hasn't listened to the podcast 'LISK: Long Island Serial Killer' should really give it a listen. It digs really really REALLY deep & shows so much about corruption & how all of these cases are involved.
thanks for the recommendation
Thank you
@@platedlizard sorry I had the wrong podcast listed. It's actually 'LISK: Long Island Serial Killer'. And you're welcome.
@@citizendame6329 sorry I had the wrong podcast listed. It's actually 'LISK: Long Island Serial Killer'. And you're welcome.
Found it! Thanks!
Omfg the last part when she said "Mike u were part of this all along " and then the screaming just stunned and shocked me literally I'm shaking that never happens to me
Well CLEARLY - SOMEBODY WAS AFTER HER… since she ended up DEAD!!! So please stop with all the hate and BS. It’s irrelevant if she was on drugs at the time or what have you. She should’ve have been rescued, if the ability was there. She pleaded for help. And we failed her. RIP sister 🙏🏻
The police know exactly who all is responsible and they know that they are all connected. The police should be cringing in embarrassment at how stupid they sound saying they weren't related. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a snuff film yet to be found. Some of those disgustingly rich people are into some sick things.
The police chief had a snuff film. His last name was Burke. He went to jail.
@@lealovesthesea good!
It's all coming together
@@lealovestheseaa snuff of Shannon? How do you know that
Thank you for being a voice for the vulnerable. Prevention is cheaper than corruption - we need more backbone!
She also ask if he was going to kill her!
Came here because they have a suspect in custody.😢 praying for the family and victims.
She clearly says... YOU GUYS ARE PLOTTING SOMETHING!!! JESUS 😠 😡 😤
How hard is it to understand 😕 that???
It's so sad wen we need the police to help or need them to investigate, there is always a reason why!! It doesn't matter what she did as a living or just to survive she deserves justice!
More bad apples than not...
@@AbbyBlackbird seriously sex work needs to be legal these women need money desperately. Why hurt a women helping you then thinking you have a right to kill them! It's so messed up
Such a horrible tragedy...she was murdered and the police did nothing to solve this case as evidenced by the decade of time passing. The police detectives and district attorney's office are guilty of not bringing the murderer to justice. Cover-up is definitely happening in this murder. Condolences to her family.
In 2016 the sister of Shannon murdered their mother.
Unbelievable that the cops were corrupt and need to answer for their part.
So much tragedy for this family. 😭
Absolutely tragic. Just despicable that this level of cover up is possible in the face of so much evidence. To some men, women are just items. Horrific. I can't use strong enough words to display the level disgust i feel for the corrupt authorities in this case.
He's been caught
My God this is frightening to know that the people you are calling to help you, at 911 and the police, are ultimately the enemies! She never stood a chance, and why didn't the people at the homes of the doors she knocked on help her?!!! What the hell is wrong with these idiots!? I can understand being cautious, but I feel sure that they would have been able to CLEARLY see on her face, how frightened she was. Everywhere she turned for help she was turned away. Sad😔 I pray that these victims RIP and that justice will eventually be served.
They did! Gus Colletti opened his door and let her in. She bolted. Just because the Gilbert lawyer is saying he didn't doesn't make it so. The lawyer has told a number of lies too
Yes I thought was so horrible not getting any help from the neighborhood doors she knocked on! They could of just open garage door and let her in there till help comes! What an awful thing to live with your self by not opening your door!
@@traceygeer797 Right! There's no way I could have ignored someone needing help like that.
@@LIGal398 yeah he did open the door and he called 911.... so what took the cops so long to get there????
@@Amidat From GG call it took 20 minutes.
Regarding SG calls, she couldn't tell them where she was. Couldn't even identify what county. It was a cell phone and the technology then wasn't able to locate.
And before you jump on the 20 minutes response time, LI traffic is horrendous and Oak Beach isn't exactly on the main land.
I feel so sad when these woman are called names and are deemed. The majority have had terrible lives and have had sexually abusive family's. Many have run away to escape their terrible lives and have had no other way of surviving.
Exactly. Most women have suffered some form of sexual abusive in their formative years. Sad but usually by family or family friend. They’re the ones who suffer the damage these evil predators have inflicted on them. I remember a time when LEO would arrest the female sex worker but allow the “johns” to walk away. Wtf?! Told me everything I needs to know how people view these women. Sad thing is that 99% of these female porn “stars” are not there willingly. They are part of trafficking, so when these deviant men watch this vile crap, they are supporting this abuse.
You are defending this retarded woman?
She says to mike her driver "you were in on this all along". I wonder if he was offered enough money to bring her to someone that planned to attack or even kill her. Now that they've just caught that architect/serial murderer, I wonder if that'll connect or disconnect Shannon's death to the other women's deaths. Years ago I saw a program that left many concerns around the doctor who erased the surveillance tapes. Because a number of the bodies had parts removed, they posed the possibility that his medical knowledge would've enabled him to have done this. I gotta wonder if he knew the architect now in custody.