Stop Acting Like Fiction Isn’t Real
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This is Jordan Peterson at his best, not in matters of politics, but in matters of the transcendant human condition.
Well the politics are trying to ruin society at fundamental level. Its the snake he is talking about. And unless u fight that it will end you in ruins. Only fools wouldn’t see that.
Yes I agree, he is a masterclass at psychology and human nature, but when it comes to politics, he gets a bit off course
“The truth is stranger than fiction”
It's telling that the common hero story isn't told in film anymore as ubiquitously as in the past.
Now the archetypal hero is revealed to be the true villain and the villains are seen as misunderstood victims of them.
we're in a clown world, an upside down world
This Guy is Absoutiy Brilliant
Lol me too.🙋♀️🙋♀️
God bless you, Jordan. I pray evil never silences you. It’s been incredible watching your journey to the Lord and gives me hope for my own family members.
I used a paraphrase of this discussion in class yesterday. Fiction is "hyper-real."
How about “categorically real”? We don’t need a superlative, we need a description that also implicitly answers the question “in what way is this _not_ real?”
The brain (almost) does not know the difference
Good.
Nice
@@jacobstammyou have a book of time in your hand and become fruitful and the best for the day momyy to you dear friend ko bhi nahi pata ki kya baat karni thi wahi hai to thik ho gaya tha na mile rahte ho na ki to wo bhi nahi pata hai na pass mein to tum ho us time se to hai mere sath enjoy the best of me to you and you and you all are good night ab to tum hi to hai hi ni mila to hai hi ni hai na hi koi bhi karlega ho gya tha ki mere liye kuch ni hota to hai mere liye bhi to moye hai to wah phir se bol rahi hai na hi friend se bol rahe ho sir se bhi laga lo to tum ho to kaal raat mein kuch ho to nind aur to hai hi ni mila hai na pass mein bhi rahogi ho gya tha na yaar ki bhi nahi pata
"Leave out the fiction, the fact is it's friction " NEAL PEART.
This man just explained my whole existence
Examples
Trust being the most valuable foundation for mutually beneficial trade reminds me of the Warren Buffett quote about reputation: "It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it."
A lot of the greatest works of fiction share many of the same recurring themes with subtle variation in plot and character development. Rom coms are perhaps the best example of this. Once you've watched one rom com, you've watched them all. It's the same formula that gets rehashed over and over, yet the demand never wanes.
This is true
“You can’t imagine things that aren’t real, that doesn’t make any sense.” ~Ryan Cropper
Huh, I'm curious about this, what does it mean? I'm genuinely perplexed at the statement
I trust Pierre Poilievre even though he's a politician and I don't know him personally. It's mostly because I sense that his integrity is unshakable.
I know there MUST be a few good apples in politics!
Canada and World needs Pierre Poilievre 💯
No stable, happy, or good hearted people seek control over others in any form, thus no politicians are good, and they are certainly the farthest thing from trustworthy. Just because one guy is pure evil (Justin) doesn't mean the other guy (Pierre) is any kind of good. It just means he's smart enough to say what people want to hear now.
Or at the very least, a few apples that are good for us on net balance, even though they may not be perfect themselves.
Finished the first draft of my sci-fi thriller last week! JP, you were a huge inspiration! It's a story about the human condition with plenty of alagory to society's current trajectory. It's my attempt to reinvigorat the frontier spirit and desire for freedom and faith. I tell it through dynamic characters who are on their own journey in a unique Mars colony. Very excited to share it with everyone!
...I'm also writing a story, maybe it will be a book one day. For sure some inspiration comes from JP talks;)
@@sheridansherr8974 world needs new stories now more than ever, keep working on it!
Fictional archetypes are more descriptive of the human experience than real and specific events. I agree. I find it a difficult brainstorming exercise to come up with an idea that falls outside of known archetypes. It seems to be impossible. As if the entirety of human perception and experience has already been captured by archetypes introduced through fiction throughout human history. It is like the most fundamental form of thought-language for humanity. Where written/spoken language is a means to describe this more fundamental language of experience.
They sort of touched on this in a famous TNG episode. Story archetypes are like the lego blocks of the human experience.
I'm Fearless, and Godless, I keep Fiction and Trust at Bay.......
You are so right Dr!
I ensure I will finish my past authoritie exercise by this weekend. I will do the second part cuz the first part it's already written and I trust you.
I send you a big hug from Uruguay ❤️🇺🇾 And I wish you the best from the very Friday morning in here 👬
Brilliantly said, this world is full off snakes, keep your friends close, and your enemies closer, Lovers comes and go true love stay till death do us part 👌💕
Why is this right on time.
Nothing is a coincidence
I swear I wrote this. Once someone betrays you. You just can't trust.
I love this stuff 😊❤🙏💝 Thank you 💝
The truth is to simply stop fighting. You create the darkness in your life, I created some really nasty stuff. When I stopped it stopped because what you resist will persist. When you stop it all goes away.
Fiction is exactly that , everything is grounded in the same frame , careful what you make real
Yep or one way to think about it is. Careful what you birth. As all we can imagine is technically already existent just not manifested. (There’s no new formula)
@@CaptainSurfy you don't have to manifest it all though.
Kiitos Mestari
What captures my imagination is the fact that truth is stranger than fiction, consider John 3:13
“And no man has ascended to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven”
This truth demolishes job, the first book to be written of the Bible, per academics and known scholars, for the devil and sin are fictional characteristics to keep you from receiving the true kingdom of light and love that has now been active for over 2000 years , and yet here we are, and this truth along with many more are coming in the clouds of fiction writers!!
Thanks for honoring my freedom of speech.
When I still believed in the existence of a god ... I learned that if I thought other people were in religious cults of fiction ... to be fair ... I would have to admit that I was also in a religious cult of fiction.
That admittance set me free of all religious fiction.
By those in religion, the word “occult” was at one time much sought after … as it meant … “Esoteric Supernatural belief … Intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest.
When so many devotees in divisive religions climbed on the bandwagons, bragging that their personal version of the occult was the one and only truth ... the word occult became shortened to the word cult as being a derogatory insult … used by most everybody in self-centered religious groups against each other.
Fiction is ... for one ... as it is for all.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.” ~ Albert Einstein
He heard my cry
I use the term unreal to encompasses this concept. 2 personal incidents come to mind resolving the principle.
Was injured 20 years ago, lost the use of my hands for about 6 months. During my rehab i caught an episode of Ghost in the Shell. It showed in detail how it was possible to fold a crane with one hand. Copying this for 2 years I became functionally ambidextrous.
In the same period i was employed in a drawing office of an engineering firm. Part of the learning involved using reference materials from Kyosuke Fujishima. He's best known as the creator of oh! My goddess. A former draughtman, his illustrations of real world mechnical parts and how it connects are near flawless. Was competent in full scale creating civil works and blueprints within 18 months.
Part of fiction and imaginative works involve following those with superior mastery. It truly is a gift of effort by a giants hand.
Yes. Fiction is usually derived from reality more often than imagination. And sometimes reality is stranger than fiction.
I don't want to control her nor disrespect her by touching her or acting like a pervert.
Glorious ruins 🎉
"Anything humans can imagine is a possibility in reality."
-Willy Karen
But cant you insgine things that arent possible though?
@o24735 yep. Like the earth is flat or the sun circles the earth, the moon is made of cheese.....The fiction should comply with the rules of the Universe, otherwise it is mere fantasy.
@@hartofnixie7060 what about fiction involving time travel? We have theories about it being possible but it might not be in the way that we depict in movies. I find these types of vague, masturbatory quotes a little annoying
I mean it depends on how you defend real. Yes, fiction, such as the works of various Russian authors that Peterson oftentimes references, contains many metaphorical truths, but intuitively I wouldn’t say it’s more real than non-fiction.
Enjoyed the video but you hurt my head at times ... I'll still keep listening, after all my wife is Canadian, all the best from Arkansas.
Does this also include video games? I’ve noticed that my video game usage affects my dreams, and we know dreams are messages from nature about the unconscious. I’ve often been conflicted on my video game usage, is it a vice, is it a tool for self care, etc. I suppose the answer would be it depends on how I use it. But let’s assume I use it in healthy amounts, no more than 2 hours a day, and maintain healthy relationships and work life balance, what are the role that video games play? And as the video talks about, are they a hyper reality? Assuming the type of video game I am playing contains a narrative, such as Elden Ring, or other narrative driven games, as opposed to a run and gun shooter with little to no narrative, and only intense gameplay. I prefer to play games that delve into deep fantasy and narrative, s such as Skyrim, Fallout, the Dark Souls saga, etc. I wonder what role these games play in a person’s mental health. I’ve recently cut them out of my life, and I sometimes wonder if I did something unfair to my unconscious psyche. I was raised on video games, and yes, I have played the average unhealthy game in unhealthy ways, Call of Duty, Fortnite, copious amounts of Rocket League, etc, throughout my whole life. But I’ve also experienced some of the most rich and deep narrative experiences that no other book, movie, TV series, or honestly real life experience could ever touch, thinking of Mass Effect, Oblivion, Bloodborne, etc. Maybe I’m asking a question of fiction in general, and its place in self care. I think the reason I’m asking, is because I’m not the best reader, but man I am a much better gamer than a reader, as well as a movie watcher and tv show watcher. I just love the engagement that I experience in a video game. Just wondered what everyone’s thoughts were on this topic.
"arc ah typ al"
There's no need to pretend fiction isn't real. It's called fiction, rather than nonfiction, for a very good reason.
Here we have the smartest man alive folks👆
@@lovetogun3611 Feel free to share your reasoning at any moment
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Its called 'escrow'!
Very trustworthy. God never asked us to trust man.
Bank leak. Ingredients planned celebrators. Without without without
May this video was released earlier
- as so the man of sin to being the second Cain and the second Esau
I would pay good money on hearing this guy’s thoughts on how anime treats age.
What to do when you are betrayed by your own father ?
You forgive and move on.
Otherwise you become a prisoner of your past. Forgiveness is the Key.
@skippylippy547 how do you forgive a habitual abuser who will not change or they're already dead?
@@What-he5pr Forgiveness isn't reconciliation; forgiveness means that you let go of anger
@@TheRichandmighty OK thanks for the clarification, I totally agree. But no doubt we need God's help for that kind of peace.
@@What-he5pr Agreed
This is why stories like the bible inspire other stories and last thousands of years. They align with the human spirit whether you beleive it is factual or not
Early gang
Cognitive dissonance doesn't let it through.
Allegories.
There is no one that is happy for another
“What is real? How do you define ‘real’? If you’re talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, what you can taste and see, then ‘real’ is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.” - Morpheus, (The Matrix, 1999)
Beowulf best hero story
My worries
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The left out here saying “man is woman” and the right out here saying “fiction is real”. 🤦🏻♂️
Why is it so hard to say “these events probably never happened, but they describe transcendent truths”? We don’t need to play word games like this to engage in philosophy.
Well, and why should people need to conform to your expectations of what is precise communication? To me, there is great meaning in using language in the way that Peterson does, blurring the lines between fiction and real, because it helps to see the works he is analyzing in this biblical series as an actual window into some underlying structure of reality rather then just an interesting fiction. When he uses the words he uses what it conveys is "it probably didn't happen" is just not very important idea, and approaching the problem that way would not be the most productive way of doing it. I find this perspective to have been incredibly helpful in developing the ideas he does in these series.
@@OtaconF I understand what you’re saying, and I fully support the venture of taking a deep dive into ancient texts in search of enlightenment. And I’m not saying that Peterson should constantly interrupt his analyses with “this didn’t literally happen” disclaimers. But when people ask Peterson the basic question “did these events actually happen? Is this a reliable historical account?” and he can’t give a straight answer, then we’ve got a problem. People are absolutely justified in questioning Peterson’s motives and thinking him guilty of sophistry when he does that. Remember, a lot of Americans still believe Noah’s Ark actually happened, and their worldview and voting choices are going to be in line with that delusion.
Peterson is free to explore transcendent metaphysical substrates until the cows come home, but we’ve got to start with some basic, unambiguously communicated facts. My father had a saying: “don’t be so heavenly minded that you’re no earthly good.” Well, exhibit A.
@@jacobstamm I actually answered that having in mind he answering those type of questions. Had just come out of watching his podcast with cosmic skeptic, I don't know if you did but I would highly recommend it since they explore exactly that question of yours.
And I still need to understand more of the reason why both Alex and you seem so preoccupied on whether people believe the ark is actually real or not and how that connects with Jordan's style of answer. I don't know if the Ark was real or not. Let's say probably not literally (even though I really just have no idea at all). But if I say that, I believe it sounds a lot like you're just calling the bible a metaphor, a story. It's not real. Its very good! But it's a cool story at the end of the day. That type of answer does not communicate "transcendent reality", therefore would not be a precise answer to convey what he believes to be true. I don't have a problem with that.
Maybe you value understanding whether there was an actual ark more than the underlying meaning behind it. But does that make it wrong to see it the other way around? I don't think so. And his language reflects that.
Maybe it has more to do with the fact you mentioned politics. I was curious why it came up in your argument. Could you go a bit more into it?
Do you need it said every time someone gets into it, like a trigger warning? Would it suffice for you to know he's conveyed things similar to that on occasion?
Like, i don't think what you said is accurate even in intent, let alone content.
@@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 I think he addressed that point in his first answer to me
librarians gonna lose it
JBP is one hundred percent right when he says your subconscious can't tell the difference from fiction and fact. I've had two psychotic episodes both no sleep about four days in a row it's extreme everything you've ever watched every memory at your fingertips. Don't be fooled we definitely don't have free will. Every action causes ripples through society even body language but to act so seriously that you don't let yourself be foolish creates the worst energy.
Fiction by definition isn't real.
Whats your definition of real or reality
@@robertmurray8335 Fiction: The category of literature, drama, film, or other creative work whose content is imagined and is not necessarily based on fact.
So real in the fact what it portrays isnt real? Or the fact that it exists isnt real. Like i asked whats your definition of reality.
@@robertmurray8335 Not yours, clearly. And not Peterson's, who portrays anything as real, though its not physical or demonstrable in its own self.
If you went to a library to find a book on carpentry to build a deck, would you first check in the fiction section?
Show me the snakes and Ill show you more of them.
Exact opposite of Jesse petersons message.
But it isn't real...
Fiction is reality told different.
Ahmuunahnutt
Still an Atheist. Science is writing the book of life which we are compelled to do, since there is no written manual for a species made by abiogenesis extended by permutations and natural selection. We even have an objective origin of order. However the more complicated the design the less viable the end product. That in a nutshell is mankind's dilemma.
What we do know of ourselves is that we need a frontier _that ever fades, Ulysses_ to stay interested beyond ourselves. To master reality with new genius always bursting forth. Raising our kids to be the fullest version of themselves is the missing ingredient from any human narrative. Oops.
1:30 Apparently only religious people can get excited about things
3:06 Ebay rating system is a miracle
Are we watching the same video, or are you just cynical?
@@MZRTMusic254 Excellent question! Thank you for asking that!
a lot more people are religious than think they are
@@FourOf92000 People don't realize that modernity has a religion. It's called postmodern nihilism or scientific materialism. If you fall out of line, you're a heathen or an uneducated barbarian or a terrible person. If you use intuition and not cold logic to process things you're living life the wrong way. If you believe in an abstract higher meaning to existence, whether it be spiritual, religious or just an intuition, there's something wrong with your brain, and you need to be reeducated
If you have a religion that tells people nothing matters and there's no real point to living, of course they will end up with these kinds of thoughts. And it doesn't require any thought, people born in modern times just "know" that this is the way the world works. Times have changed. Modernity is an unprecedented time compared to the rest of human history. Our ancestors believed in gods, God, and the divine. Now the modern variation of the cross is the atom symbol lol
That was an obvious joke lol
Jordan is trapped in the unconscious low-resolution themes, polarizations, and archetypes of a child's concerns and projections.
Jordan has not gone through any of the processes of developing the high-resolution distinctions and response-ability of a conscious adult because he has conflated his actual experience with his father's relentless negative feelings.
Like a lobster in Jello. He can't save his father from the underworld because there isn't a meta-escalator going down.
@@kennyg1358 like a lobster in jello, he can't save his father from the underworld while immersed in his father's underworld feelings.
Asch’s Conformity Experiment proves fiction IS real!
Simple trust-based fiction example; Most people believe they've always lived on a spinning marble hurling through a vacuum while chasing a fireball into infinity.
@@whaleoilbeefhooked3892 and . . . what do YOU believe?
@@skippylippy547 In accordance with the psychological principles presented within the confines of Asch's Conformity Experiment findings alongside of those of Jordan Peterson implying the element of 'trust in authority', I go back to my grade 1 elementary introduction to that globe sitting at the front of the classroom and recall my personal experience of staring at it day after day, grade after grade. In silence, and in conformity to share the same laugher at the dumb sailors who floated over the edge, I accepted that people can be living upside down, and that China was at the very bottom of the hole. My intuition at the youthful age had became suppressed in favor of gaining social acceptance, I conformed to the fiction.
Sister father mother and son on
This is why atheism will win.
When he is scared
Like a kid crying for his dad
My explaining of the Bible is like of no one in history.
Ent dam am led ed den all wa ard diss
Not even your own brother
I love this stuff 😊❤🙏💝 Thank you 💝