Nice to see you here! But I have to disagree, I would also rank 7 very high. I think it's his most experimental symphony where he let himself get influenced by the contemporaries of the Second Viennese School
The 6th symphony is by far the most extreme and emotionally charged piece that Mahler ever composed. It is simultaneously characterized by formal discipline and consistency, featuring a complex and intricately woven finale that showcases his boldest combinatory contrapuntal prowess. The 6th symphony has no equal and was Mahler's personal favorite.
Final movement is a gem, scherzo is pretty decent, andante has one of the the most beautiful climaxes of all time imo (almost on the level of that release a third of the way through Rach 2 mov 3), and the first movement is just awesome. So much relentless intensity.
I mean I would agree with no. 9 being the best (or no. 2 depending on the day) and no. 8 as the worst. Personally, no. 7 should be lower and no. 1 and 5 should be higher.
I used to love the symphony number 5 so much.... I memorized it and now it bores me that I listen to performances that are never "perfect"... They have ceised to surprise and refresh me as it used to do. On the other hand, the seventh symphony goes so well, above, under, behind, across and amid a dense, living magical musical lanscape, I think it's my favorite now, instead of the fifth.
I really like the first and eighth symphony a lot. With the exception of the seventh, I like all of his works. The second is still, unquestionably, my favorite (I think many people think so too)!
The seventh is an exception? In my opinion the seventh is excellent. It's fresh, it's diving deep into the magical "forest" it creates, it explores and dances. It's lightmotivs are stimulating me to intellectual arousal. But these are all opinions. We can all agree that Mahler music is great regardless, because that's not an opinion anymore :)
@@dan-us6nk All of Mahler's compositions are technically excellent, but the seventh, in particular, I don't like very much. I don't know, I think it sounds less epic compared to the others. It seems to me that Mahler wanted to create something "different" in this symphony. But either way, that doesn't mean the symphony is bad! None of Mahler's work can be considered "bad"! Anyone who says that is a heretic! Hahaha
1 - the 9th 2- the 3rd 3 -the 6th 4- the 8th 5-the4th 6- the 2nd 7- the 10th ( The Derek Cook Version) 8- the 5th 9- the 1st 10 the 7th And the greatest one of all is actually Das Lied von Der Erde
ChatGPT being bold ranking Mahler 7 at #2. (I love the piece too, but critics over the years often call that his worst and silliest symphony, as it contains quite a jokey, sarcastic quality that I adore)
The AI for the most part parroting received opinion putting the critically acclaimed 9 at number 1. main anomalies is the least popular 7 being so high and 1 and 5 being fairly low. 2 is my favourite I don’t care if it’s cliche, 3,4 and 6 probably being the other Mahler symphonies which maintain a constant fascination for me. Because they’re all so good I really do think this one’s completely subjective and wouldn’t judge anyone for their favourite symphony. What I will say is that at the end of the day I probably wouldn’t disagree with the critical consensus which says that 9 and Das Lied Von Der Erde are his most important works.
Opinion: Symphony number 4 is the most simple symphony by Mahler. It shares a lot of material with other symphonies, and generally lacks more driving emotions. It can make you feel good, but I feel that the first parts are cheerful in their opening to the symphony (which we all agree - a Mahler's symphony is like a world), and the finale is just... dull? It doesn't seem to go anywhere unexpectedly far, or diverse, or strong, unlike any other Mahler epic finale. 2 is a brilliant work that is of tremendous peaks in what we can even fathom as humans - the emotions I get floating around my head while listening to it during it's less than an hour and a half's time are equivalent to the emotions I'm filled with from weeks, even months during my life (which in this age is very hormonal and emotional). 3 has given me peace... just like me, it takes time to do it's thing but when it's given the attention for it's duration, it's very effective. First movement like a symphony of it's own, followed by charming dances of love, then (for me) a Kafka-esque piece that depicts absirdity, then immense hope and pride, joy, and lastly - peace. Symphony number 6 is a banger.
I actually agree with some of its notes on the 3rd symphony, particularly the length of the work, but i have to say Mahler's 9th being ranked 13th really confused me. I thought the adagio was incredible (actually my favorite movement of his and arguably my favorite ~20 minutes in all orchestral music)
I asked it the same prompt and it gave from best to worst, 9 2 5 6 3 1 7 4 8. Interestingly, it keeps 9 as best and 8 as worst, but almost flips 7 and 5 which were near opposite ends, and keeps 3 and 6 in the middle.
Kind of interesting and also surprisingly shallow. Like a small general summary of articles that were written by people, but without any real depth of understanding or personality.
I was very interesting. My opinion that Mahler's best symphony is symphony no.9 too same this AI chat. I have Gustav Mahler's symphony No.9 many discs,compact disc,only one LP(I think analog disc movement is only Anachronism), DVD,Blu-ray video,Blu-ray audio,and other sound or visual source. But I can't decide on the number one performance because this music works is very magnificent. I like Vaclav Neumann(1995,his last recording),Herbert von Karajan of both 1979,1980,and 1982,Simon Rattle and Berliner Philharmoniker,Daniel Harding and Swedish Radio Symphony,and other many brilliant performances. If someone this comment read,Thank you reading very much!
Setting aside both the issue with counting down and the fact that it should be including the 10th and Das Lied in its ranking, there are actual reasonable opinions in here (gleaned from what the internet says about the symphonies, presumably). At the very least, the descriptions of the symphonies are reasonably accurate as far as they go. It would be weird to put 7 so high in the ranking, and both 1 and 5 seem a bit short-changed, but I can sort of imagine a human critic with a fixation on the 7th symphony coming up with something like this. Better than expected, over all.
The proof that AI ain’t really got it is, its inability to deal with both Mahler and Proust. The app cannot truly step up to the best the human imagination has to offer. And, yes, I agree that it doesn’t matter because the bot is taking over.
Ive asked chatGpT sveral questions and my immediate response is that it sounds just like someone reading from Wikipedia. Constant cliches and not an original thought in there! Not my idea of higher intelligence.
I only like symphonies 1 and 4. The others are very long and at my age I might not live till the end. ChatGPT might have at least mentioned the possibility of other points of view. Possibly Chat GPT is too American?
So I’m gonna call bullshit on that. 1 and 4 are each about an hour long. The rest of them (including Das Lied and 10) are about an hour and a half. It takes less time for one to listen to a full “not 1 or 4” than listen to “both 1 and 4”. It’s the simplicity, not the length
Yeah this sounds like the amalgamation of critical takes on Mahler symphonies, which is a shame because music critics are best know for their terrible reception of great works. Or their otherwise, unoriginal fawning praise (circle jerk) where they act like great works have no weaknesses. The 8th symphony ranks low because it is rarely performed/recorded. Otherwise, it would rank just as high as the 2nd symphony among his top 3 works (with the 9th). It was the peak of Mahler’s career and his best received work during his lifetime, despite his personal life crumbling simultaneously. I think his 3rd is arguably the worst since it lacks the focus of his other works and the music doesn’t quite live up to the scope of the work, but honestly, I just don’t like the first movement very much. It’s very repetitive and thematically dull. The rest of the symphony is great. Too bad the first movement is like 35 mins. Usually. The remaining symphonies can be ordered any which way depending on what the listener appreciates more. #1 and #4 are playful, focused works, that deliver thematically. #6 and #7 are abstract works that play with form, instrumentation, and theme development in unique ways. #5 is just the Classical minor to major symphony (like Beethoven’s), but from the lens of an early modern composer. It’s his second most intimate work (after the 9th) and explores some psychological themes of artistic legacy and sentimentality.
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The only reason it didn't rank Resurrection as best is because chatGPT is an immortal being, hence unable to grasp mortality.
Indeed
i agree 100%
The 9th is the real stare into the abyss! 2 gives hopes of heaven hence resurrection....
nah i lost it when it started counting up 💀
I'll fight anyone that comes to me saying that Mahler's 8th lacks emotional depth. For real.
I'm with ya bro.
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Everyone who has ever taken part in it (I am lucky enough to do so) will fight with you.
That finale is fucking heaven
Everybody pretends to understand and appreciate the 8th, but in reality nobody gets it, and if they did it would be in the top 4 of most rankings
Mahler’s symphonies lift the soul into the sky, but Mahler 2 raises you into heaven itself
8th lacks the emotional depth??? Man this AI is so dumb
Language models are in general
You realise that's the general consensus among many human critics? The AI bases its opinion on the vast amount of reviews and opinions across the net.
I saw it once with Leon botstein conducting. It lacked emotional depth that time lmaoo
Only an AI would rank #7 as second best. But at least it was correct about #9.
Nice to see you here! But I have to disagree, I would also rank 7 very high. I think it's his most experimental symphony where he let himself get influenced by the contemporaries of the Second Viennese School
The 6th symphony is by far the most extreme and emotionally charged piece that Mahler ever composed. It is simultaneously characterized by formal discipline and consistency, featuring a complex and intricately woven finale that showcases his boldest combinatory contrapuntal prowess. The 6th symphony has no equal and was Mahler's personal favorite.
I think das Lied von der Erde is more emotional but 6 is definitely up there.
Final movement is a gem, scherzo is pretty decent, andante has one of the the most beautiful climaxes of all time imo (almost on the level of that release a third of the way through Rach 2 mov 3), and the first movement is just awesome. So much relentless intensity.
My personal best of:
1) Symphonies n.1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
2) The 10th is unfinished.
Quite the opinion there, ChatGPT.
It certainly is an opinion... lol
I mean I would agree with no. 9 being the best (or no. 2 depending on the day) and no. 8 as the worst. Personally, no. 7 should be lower and no. 1 and 5 should be higher.
You're objectively wrong and should feel bad!!!
Nah, No. 7 is awesome. No. 1 and 5 are the most overrated Mahler symphonies (still amazing though)
I used to love the symphony number 5 so much.... I memorized it and now it bores me that I listen to performances that are never "perfect"... They have ceised to surprise and refresh me as it used to do.
On the other hand, the seventh symphony goes so well, above, under, behind, across and amid a dense, living magical musical lanscape, I think it's my favorite now, instead of the fifth.
No. 7 is far more interesting then no. 1 and 5.
I really like the first and eighth symphony a lot. With the exception of the seventh, I like all of his works. The second is still, unquestionably, my favorite (I think many people think so too)!
The seventh is an exception?
In my opinion the seventh is excellent. It's fresh, it's diving deep into the magical "forest" it creates, it explores and dances. It's lightmotivs are stimulating me to intellectual arousal.
But these are all opinions. We can all agree that Mahler music is great regardless, because that's not an opinion anymore :)
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All of Mahler's compositions are technically excellent, but the seventh, in particular, I don't like very much. I don't know, I think it sounds less epic compared to the others. It seems to me that Mahler wanted to create something "different" in this symphony. But either way, that doesn't mean the symphony is bad! None of Mahler's work can be considered "bad"! Anyone who says that is a heretic! Hahaha
1 - the 9th
2- the 3rd
3 -the 6th
4- the 8th
5-the4th
6- the 2nd
7- the 10th ( The Derek Cook Version)
8- the 5th
9- the 1st
10 the 7th
And the greatest one of all is actually Das Lied von Der Erde
Close to my feelings exactly
9, 2, 3, 6, 4; 1, 5, 7, 8. The last 4 in the rank are interchangeable.
ChatGPT being bold ranking Mahler 7 at #2.
(I love the piece too, but critics over the years often call that his worst and silliest symphony, as it contains quite a jokey, sarcastic quality that I adore)
Piece is Mahler Symphony No. 3, 3rd Movement on Piano.
I have a deep love for every one of Mahler's symphonies. But hey, I'm human.
as a bassoonist I wish that $20k was the high end
The AI for the most part parroting received opinion putting the critically acclaimed 9 at number 1. main anomalies is the least popular 7 being so high and 1 and 5 being fairly low.
2 is my favourite I don’t care if it’s cliche, 3,4 and 6 probably being the other Mahler symphonies which maintain a constant fascination for me. Because they’re all so good I really do think this one’s completely subjective and wouldn’t judge anyone for their favourite symphony. What I will say is that at the end of the day I probably wouldn’t disagree with the critical consensus which says that 9 and Das Lied Von Der Erde are his most important works.
Opinion:
Symphony number 4 is the most simple symphony by Mahler. It shares a lot of material with other symphonies, and generally lacks more driving emotions.
It can make you feel good, but I feel that the first parts are cheerful in their opening to the symphony (which we all agree - a Mahler's symphony is like a world), and the finale is just... dull? It doesn't seem to go anywhere unexpectedly far, or diverse, or strong, unlike any other Mahler epic finale.
2 is a brilliant work that is of tremendous peaks in what we can even fathom as humans - the emotions I get floating around my head while listening to it during it's less than an hour and a half's time are equivalent to the emotions I'm filled with from weeks, even months during my life (which in this age is very hormonal and emotional).
3 has given me peace... just like me, it takes time to do it's thing but when it's given the attention for it's duration, it's very effective.
First movement like a symphony of it's own, followed by charming dances of love, then (for me) a Kafka-esque piece that depicts absirdity, then immense hope and pride, joy, and lastly - peace.
Symphony number 6 is a banger.
I actually agree with some of its notes on the 3rd symphony, particularly the length of the work, but i have to say Mahler's 9th being ranked 13th really confused me. I thought the adagio was incredible (actually my favorite movement of his and arguably my favorite ~20 minutes in all orchestral music)
Wow... Amazing
Great list.
THIS is the guy that’s gonna take my job?
The worst thing is that I genuinely agree with this ranking lmao
Interesting take, ranking the 7th second place... and the 5th, my favorite, in position 7.
Guys, remember that this is just matrix multiplications (ML) trying to behave like the entire internet would do… think about it
I asked it the same prompt and it gave from best to worst, 9 2 5 6 3 1 7 4 8. Interestingly, it keeps 9 as best and 8 as worst, but almost flips 7 and 5 which were near opposite ends, and keeps 3 and 6 in the middle.
Kind of interesting and also surprisingly shallow. Like a small general summary of articles that were written by people, but without any real depth of understanding or personality.
Interesting how high the 'mad' #7 came
Mahler 3 is number one always
I was very interesting. My opinion that Mahler's best symphony is symphony no.9 too same this AI chat.
I have Gustav Mahler's symphony No.9 many discs,compact disc,only one LP(I think analog disc movement is only Anachronism),
DVD,Blu-ray video,Blu-ray audio,and other sound or visual source.
But I can't decide on the number one performance because this music works is very magnificent.
I like Vaclav Neumann(1995,his last recording),Herbert von Karajan of both 1979,1980,and 1982,Simon Rattle and Berliner Philharmoniker,Daniel Harding and Swedish Radio Symphony,and other many brilliant performances.
If someone this comment read,Thank you reading very much!
Setting aside both the issue with counting down and the fact that it should be including the 10th and Das Lied in its ranking, there are actual reasonable opinions in here (gleaned from what the internet says about the symphonies, presumably). At the very least, the descriptions of the symphonies are reasonably accurate as far as they go. It would be weird to put 7 so high in the ranking, and both 1 and 5 seem a bit short-changed, but I can sort of imagine a human critic with a fixation on the 7th symphony coming up with something like this. Better than expected, over all.
shouldn't das lied von der erde be included ? do not need to tell me that technically it is not a symphony....
2:08 When a symphony is ranked 13 out of 9 you know you are listening to a robot!
1, 5, and 8 at the bottom? Sounds like a true critic - wrong!
Never let bro rank again pls 💀
I mean i agreed about first place.
ChatGPT just offended all trumpet players.😡
No. 10 FTW
The proof that AI ain’t really got it is, its inability to deal with both Mahler and Proust. The app cannot truly step up to the best the human imagination has to offer. And, yes, I agree that it doesn’t matter because the bot is taking over.
Mahler 3 mov 3 playing in the background with some AI generated piano playing
Cmon. 1 is not nearly that bad. 1 and 5 should be higher.
Wow, kinda close to mine…
1 - No. 9
2 - No. 7
3 - No. 5
4 - No. 3
5 - No. 6
6 - DLVDE
7 - No. 2
8 - No. 4
9 - No. 10
10 - No. 1
11 - No. 8
(But, like, I love them all - and I for one welcome our AI overlords)
Ive asked chatGpT sveral questions and my immediate response is that it sounds just like someone reading from Wikipedia. Constant cliches and not an original thought in there! Not my idea of higher intelligence.
I only like symphonies 1 and 4.
The others are very long and at my age I might not live till the end. ChatGPT might have at least mentioned the possibility of other points of view. Possibly Chat GPT is too American?
So I’m gonna call bullshit on that. 1 and 4 are each about an hour long. The rest of them (including Das Lied and 10) are about an hour and a half. It takes less time for one to listen to a full “not 1 or 4” than listen to “both 1 and 4”. It’s the simplicity, not the length
Also idk or care how old you are, I’ll bet you anything there’s at least one guy at the concert older than you
Well that is certainly an opinion - not one I agree with at all though!
2, 3, 9, 5, 1, 4, 8, 7
I love all of these works to death and would happy die for any of them but if i had to rank them that's how i would do it.
I think symphony 9th is too low
the #s are a$$backwards. what can I say!!
Yeah this sounds like the amalgamation of critical takes on Mahler symphonies, which is a shame because music critics are best know for their terrible reception of great works. Or their otherwise, unoriginal fawning praise (circle jerk) where they act like great works have no weaknesses.
The 8th symphony ranks low because it is rarely performed/recorded. Otherwise, it would rank just as high as the 2nd symphony among his top 3 works (with the 9th). It was the peak of Mahler’s career and his best received work during his lifetime, despite his personal life crumbling simultaneously.
I think his 3rd is arguably the worst since it lacks the focus of his other works and the music doesn’t quite live up to the scope of the work, but honestly, I just don’t like the first movement very much. It’s very repetitive and thematically dull. The rest of the symphony is great. Too bad the first movement is like 35 mins. Usually.
The remaining symphonies can be ordered any which way depending on what the listener appreciates more. #1 and #4 are playful, focused works, that deliver thematically. #6 and #7 are abstract works that play with form, instrumentation, and theme development in unique ways. #5 is just the Classical minor to major symphony (like Beethoven’s), but from the lens of an early modern composer. It’s his second most intimate work (after the 9th) and explores some psychological themes of artistic legacy and sentimentality.
9, 6, 8, 5, 1, 4 , 7, 3, and in the last place the second one
No
Bollocks
It's just an AI's opinion calm down lol. An AI is not gonna hurt you bruh.
@@maxpowerofficial69Technically it takes the information from real comments, reviews, etc; written by real people
@@luisbreva6122 I know but still.
This just sounds like a bunch of opinion pieces put together from a library of opinion pieces written over the years. It's not special at all.
Yawn! Yawn! Yawn!