He’s a nice bloke and clearly a decent journalist, but I get bored of his impartiality. This is a fan podcast, after all. He talks a lot without really telling us anything to be honest
@@ashandrews-north5218this is something I’ve found since he switched from the athletic podcast to square ball, I think it feels more like mates chatting rather than Phil having the role of telling us what’s going on inside the club
I still thank Radz for what he did. He took us over, bought back the ground and training ground, employed Bielsa and took us to the Prem. However, he should have sold much earlier. I fully believe the clubs far further forward than when he arrived.
Wake up! His company still owns the ground which we pay him rent for, he also tried to use Elland Rd as collateral to buy Sampdoria. He was and still is a sneaky little wan*er!
I am 28, in my living memory there has only been 3 years of supporting Leeds where we have felt competent. So it is little wonder that we are a damaged fan base. That said we do at least of owners that are thieves and somewhat competent
Still think Orta was the single biggest issue. He didn’t have the intellectual strength to do the job. Any person that thinks they are smarter than everyone else working in the EPL doesn’t have any self awareness. He will screw up Seville as well.
25:00 Phil makes a good point here , Marsch has never been at a club in Europe at least without a DoF . He didn't demand enough from the club , e.g not enough staff etc Marsch exposed Orta's frailties which Bielsa was hiding
People’s inability to grasp how much the players earn despite it being reported in the accounts every year is hurting my head now. If the wage bill is £120m and you have a 25 man squad, that’s £92,000 per player per week. Keep in mind that 3 or 4 of them will be young players like Summerville, Joffy, Gyabi and Greenwood who will be on about £20k a week and now you’re looking at £105k a week on average for a senior player. £120k a week for one of our international players is to be expected.
Leeds were relegated because they had no defence, but the most dreadful mistakes were the purchase of Kristensen and Firpo as the two fullbacks. Even before they were brought in, it was well known that Ayling was not good enough, but look at where we are now. Who was responsible for these picks? What was the scouting method? How were the transfer values of these players evaluated? What metrics were used to evaluate their ability as players?
A serious interview I'll have too watch the kinear interview good job asking the people in the know,even though we can't change history we can learn from our mistakes.
I read Phil's book, An excellent read. We can have all the post mortems we want but we went down because we were awful. We would have gone down if Pep was in charge.
The January transfer window turned out to be a real disaster. We desperately needed 3 defenders, as we effectively had no back line, but we got Rutter as a record signing as (presumably) a long term prospect, and McKennie on loan who clearly was not good enough. There were already signs at Juventus that they wanted to get rid of him. And then we got Max Wober, who did improve the team a bit, but Adams got crocked and we were shot. We bought these players while Marsch was still manager, then promptly sacked him when it would have been better if he had gone earlier. There were signs in the very first game of the season when he dithered and made substitutions too late. The day we won at Anfield sealed our fate, because it saved Marsch before the World Cup break.
McKennie and Rutter are probably two of Leeds' worst ever signings. McKennie is referred to by Juventus fans as a "bidone" which means wheelie bin. Whereas for all the talk of "we couldn't afford 40 million players", well when we finally bought one it was a young player who had potential but didn't seem much better than our under-21s.
Er, 5 windows in a row have been a disaster. That is the issue. You could even question the first with crap like Koch, Llorente and Rodrigo coming in, none of whom took a first team shirt and look competent., So in summary Orta and PL = disaster. Same as at Boro.
I would agree about Rodrigo, he is a great player, but couldn't play in Balsa's system. If he hadn't had a decent year pastime out, he would have been our worst ever signing bar none.@@davidmarkaldridge9546
@@davidmarkaldridge9546 you're right, but if Leeds had obtained 3 stout defenders in January they might well have avoided relegation. Rutter was absolutely certainly not what they needed to help them avoid relegation. A massive error of judgment.
One of the points that never seems to get raised and which I think makes the 49's somewhat culpable in all this, is how much of this "American" involvement,ie.Marsh and signing all these MLS players was a marketing ploy meant to generate interest abroad rather than a footballing decision in view of how little premier league experience we were getting.Fine if it had worked, but unfortunately, neither the management nor the players were up to it.
I agree with you. The Aaronson signing and the McKennie loan deal in particular look like big gambles in retrospect. Surely the prime factor in each case was to try generate marketing opportunities in the USA. The fees we paid out were not justified by the profile of the players at the time. The Adams and Gnonto signings were good value but almost all the others were way over the odds and that will come back to bit the club on the bum at some point.
@@tomjohnson6810 However the rumor seems to be that be Bielsa also wanted Aaronson, possibly because he was good at pressing. It seemed to be a surprise to everybody that he turned out to be useless.
Once an owner or owners, listens to the fans, social media or the press to make their decisions, it's game over. The owners, if they do their research properly, know exactly what the fanbase of any club want or expect and they shouldn't and cannot trust journalists or social media to help in any way. Radz' fell foul of these basic, unwritten rules. Good chat guys, thanks.
Your comment on seeing them win the league to champions league semi final to league 1 is actually how I feel. Great video with Angus guys keep it going
Our season last year never really got going after the month off we had in sept when we had the postponement due to queen Elizabeth death then the other game cancellations/international break. If u look at the record we were flying with like 2 wins from 3 games then we never recovered from there and the break in with the world cup just complied it to something that realistically we were always struggling with always chasing the points
Absolute rubbish. We were shocking in the Wolves win, Wolves should have won that game by about 5 goals, should have smashed Everton but could only pull out a draw. Marsch was and is nowhere good enough for top level European football
Fair play - the collective uselessness and laziness of Radz, Orta and Kinnear - and they still got top jobs now. Rewards for failure, like an old boys club. Fair play - and he's definately not a Tory.
Overall the previous regime did more good than bad - rescued us from 16 yrs of mediocrity. Mistakes made but also some exhilarating football. Leeds in a stronger position now than before and we need to get behind current manager and squad - won’t be plain sailing this season as you have 5+ new players that never played together in first team. Within 2 seasons good chance we are back in prem and with financial backers to put us on path to be a top 6 side given time.
Agreed. This is what Kinnear does though-a sort of gaslighting to get a narrative going.This was evident when the story was leaked out that Bielsa didnt want any more players, then subsequent admissions that he did ; not withstanding the nonsense on the training causing too many injuries etc.
Talking about clubs getting that big they won’t talk to the fans Considering we now have US owners, there is no way they would be allowed to get away with it with their NFL franchise. The number of PC’s the front office people do, compared to what clubs over here get away with, shows that we are way too lenient, and really more should be done
The AK interview was interesting, but some of AKs answers were dubious in my opinion, the we couldn't afford Emery.....who cost Villa 6 million Euros, but yet we could apparently spend £35 million on Rutter....... was hard to understand and accept. Personally I think there was a certain point, where the club decided, we're getting relegated, and we're only going to pretend, that we want to change that. Not signing Emery, with that excuse, in my opinion confirmed that belief.
You're letting him off the hook by saying the problems and errors came post-Bielsa. What was Kinnear doing during this breakdown in relationship with Bielsa? Surely, sacking Bielsa was the worst decision they made (and hiring him the best). And Kinnear still has not learnt from this? Fair play, if you like.
What is Kinnear's job? What does he actually do? How does he help the club succeed? Are we getting value for money? Fair play though, a millionaire learning on the job, fair play.
All the loan players are probably gone for good. We will eventually lose money on their transfers. At least we have reduced the wage bill this season and had a clear out.
At no point did I see smoke coming from the pants on fire of Tory Twat; the chances of you doing another interview next year seems low. You guys did very well with your questions but at one point I thought Angus was going to put on a 9ers baseball cap with the slogan "I have a cunning plan" on it. Are the Phillips mugs 5% fatter than the other Mugs?
Let's be honest Dan and Phil . players gone ain't returning. To be clear no fucking chance. Sold for a loss is happening. If back in prem there is no return for these loan players. End off.
Everybody who has lef cannot and is not wanted back...feck em...we want only players who want to wear our famous white shirt....I would love to get your new team in the FA cup mind.......just so you know!
I bloody love Phil Hay. Nobody else speaks about our club with such insight and wisdom. Brilliant sports journalist.
Okay, simple question, what insights did he give this week?
He’s a nice bloke and clearly a decent journalist, but I get bored of his impartiality. This is a fan podcast, after all. He talks a lot without really telling us anything to be honest
@@ashandrews-north5218 spot on in my opinion.
@@ashandrews-north5218this is something I’ve found since he switched from the athletic podcast to square ball, I think it feels more like mates chatting rather than Phil having the role of telling us what’s going on inside the club
Anyone who thinks he’s not an asset to this club or legend to the supporters is nothing but deluded. Long live Phil Hay!
I still thank Radz for what he did. He took us over, bought back the ground and training ground, employed Bielsa and took us to the Prem. However, he should have sold much earlier. I fully believe the clubs far further forward than when he arrived.
Yes agreed especially from the position we were in at the time re Bates, Cellino etc etc…….my only issue was/is Orta as his football guru?
Thats a fair assessment mate. feels like Radz and his board did tarnish what they did to start with. Orta was a big problem
Wake up! His company still owns the ground which we pay him rent for, he also tried to use Elland Rd as collateral to buy Sampdoria. He was and still is a sneaky little wan*er!
He didn't spend 1 cent of his own money. He's a leech. Good riddance
@@TheGeneral_LUFC 100% correct. Him & Orta are imbeciles.
That mold and mildew spray is excellent. Really sorted out my grouting and shower mat.
Dan does such a good job at the interview and this is also so insightful too. Love having the separate one with Phil as well. Great job lads
Was a great interview but I do wish they’d pushed him more on the Jka and Rutter deals..
I am 28, in my living memory there has only been 3 years of supporting Leeds where we have felt competent. So it is little wonder that we are a damaged fan base. That said we do at least of owners that are thieves and somewhat competent
Ill never understand why Radrizzani didnt sell up in 2021,when it felt to me like that was the natural end point
According to Kinnear, the 49ers were not willing to do the transaction earlier, so it must have been discussed.
Still think Orta was the single biggest issue. He didn’t have the intellectual strength to do the job. Any person that thinks they are smarter than everyone else working in the EPL doesn’t have any self awareness. He will screw up Seville as well.
25:00 Phil makes a good point here , Marsch has never been at a club in Europe at least without a DoF . He didn't demand enough from the club , e.g not enough staff etc
Marsch exposed Orta's frailties which Bielsa was hiding
Jm tried getting staff, but nobody would come says it all really
@rossitt08 depends who he wanted , most were already employed with better clubs apparently
People’s inability to grasp how much the players earn despite it being reported in the accounts every year is hurting my head now. If the wage bill is £120m and you have a 25 man squad, that’s £92,000 per player per week. Keep in mind that 3 or 4 of them will be young players like Summerville, Joffy, Gyabi and Greenwood who will be on about £20k a week and now you’re looking at £105k a week on average for a senior player. £120k a week for one of our international players is to be expected.
I still have my Willy Gnonto mug. During his “wobble” I nearly binned it in a sulk. Glad I kept it though, cheers lads.
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Leeds were relegated because they had no defence, but the most dreadful mistakes were the purchase of Kristensen and Firpo as the two fullbacks. Even before they were brought in, it was well known that Ayling was not good enough, but look at where we are now. Who was responsible for these picks? What was the scouting method? How were the transfer values of these players evaluated? What metrics were used to evaluate their ability as players?
Victor Orta
A serious interview I'll have too watch the kinear interview good job asking the people in the know,even though we can't change history we can learn from our mistakes.
I read Phil's book, An excellent read.
We can have all the post mortems we want but we went down because we were awful.
We would have gone down if Pep was in charge.
The January transfer window turned out to be a real disaster. We desperately needed 3 defenders, as we effectively had no back line, but we got Rutter as a record signing as (presumably) a long term prospect, and McKennie on loan who clearly was not good enough. There were already signs at Juventus that they wanted to get rid of him. And then we got Max Wober, who did improve the team a bit, but Adams got crocked and we were shot. We bought these players while Marsch was still manager, then promptly sacked him when it would have been better if he had gone earlier. There were signs in the very first game of the season when he dithered and made substitutions too late. The day we won at Anfield sealed our fate, because it saved Marsch before the World Cup break.
McKennie and Rutter are probably two of Leeds' worst ever signings. McKennie is referred to by Juventus fans as a "bidone" which means wheelie bin. Whereas for all the talk of "we couldn't afford 40 million players", well when we finally bought one it was a young player who had potential but didn't seem much better than our under-21s.
Er, 5 windows in a row have been a disaster. That is the issue. You could even question the first with crap like Koch, Llorente and Rodrigo coming in, none of whom took a first team shirt and look competent., So in summary Orta and PL = disaster. Same as at Boro.
I would agree about Rodrigo, he is a great player, but couldn't play in Balsa's system. If he hadn't had a decent year pastime out, he would have been our worst ever signing bar none.@@davidmarkaldridge9546
@@davidmarkaldridge9546 you're right, but if Leeds had obtained 3 stout defenders in January they might well have avoided relegation. Rutter was absolutely certainly not what they needed to help them avoid relegation. A massive error of judgment.
Dan Moylan is 1 great interviewer
One of the points that never seems to get raised and which I think makes the 49's somewhat culpable in all this, is how much of this "American" involvement,ie.Marsh and signing all these MLS players was a marketing ploy meant to generate interest abroad rather than a footballing decision in view of how little premier league experience we were getting.Fine if it had worked, but unfortunately, neither the management nor the players were up to it.
I agree with you. The Aaronson signing and the McKennie loan deal in particular look like big gambles in retrospect. Surely the prime factor in each case was to try generate marketing opportunities in the USA. The fees we paid out were not justified by the profile of the players at the time. The Adams and Gnonto signings were good value but almost all the others were way over the odds and that will come back to bit the club on the bum at some point.
@@tomjohnson6810 However the rumor seems to be that be Bielsa also wanted Aaronson, possibly because he was good at pressing. It seemed to be a surprise to everybody that he turned out to be useless.
21:15 Dyche is Everton’s Marsch! 👋👋
Well done at the kickboxing today! My son was there too for his mock brown belt test
Once an owner or owners, listens to the fans, social media or the press to make their decisions, it's game over. The owners, if they do their research properly, know exactly what the fanbase of any club want or expect and they shouldn't and cannot trust journalists or social media to help in any way. Radz' fell foul of these basic, unwritten rules. Good chat guys, thanks.
Quality stuff chaps.
Your comment on seeing them win the league to champions league semi final to league 1 is actually how I feel. Great video with Angus guys keep it going
Our season last year never really got going after the month off we had in sept when we had the postponement due to queen Elizabeth death then the other game cancellations/international break. If u look at the record we were flying with like 2 wins from 3 games then we never recovered from there and the break in with the world cup just complied it to something that realistically we were always struggling with always chasing the points
Absolute rubbish. We were shocking in the Wolves win, Wolves should have won that game by about 5 goals, should have smashed Everton but could only pull out a draw. Marsch was and is nowhere good enough for top level European football
Fair play - the collective uselessness and laziness of Radz, Orta and Kinnear - and they still got top jobs now. Rewards for failure, like an old boys club. Fair play - and he's definately not a Tory.
Overall the previous regime did more good than bad - rescued us from 16 yrs of mediocrity. Mistakes made but also some exhilarating football. Leeds in a stronger position now than before and we need to get behind current manager and squad - won’t be plain sailing this season as you have 5+ new players that never played together in first team. Within 2 seasons good chance we are back in prem and with financial backers to put us on path to be a top 6 side given time.
Love Phil but he tells us stuff we already know, great interview with angus other day lad
Phil hay has been so far behind and out of touch for the last 5 years.
The irony of Phil’s t-shirt when talking about Radz. 😂
Great as all ways guys ..would love to sit in with you all one day I think your brilliant 👏 😀.....MOT
My only complaint on the interview was the constant negativity against Jesse Marsch. He made mistakes but also not as culpable or inept as inferred
Agreed. This is what Kinnear does though-a sort of gaslighting to get a narrative going.This was evident when the story was leaked out that Bielsa didnt want any more players, then subsequent admissions that he did ; not withstanding the nonsense on the training causing too many injuries etc.
Talking about clubs getting that big they won’t talk to the fans
Considering we now have US owners, there is no way they would be allowed to get away with it with their NFL franchise. The number of PC’s the front office people do, compared to what clubs over here get away with, shows that we are way too lenient, and really more should be done
Angus was honest and forthright and discussed everything without emotion including our failures.
The AK interview was interesting, but some of AKs answers were dubious in my opinion, the we couldn't afford Emery.....who cost Villa 6 million Euros, but yet we could apparently spend £35 million on Rutter....... was hard to understand and accept. Personally I think there was a certain point, where the club decided, we're getting relegated, and we're only going to pretend, that we want to change that. Not signing Emery, with that excuse, in my opinion confirmed that belief.
Appreciate the summary of the Kinnear interview for those of us that cant stomach listening to the C
You're letting him off the hook by saying the problems and errors came post-Bielsa. What was Kinnear doing during this breakdown in relationship with Bielsa? Surely, sacking Bielsa was the worst decision they made (and hiring him the best). And Kinnear still has not learnt from this? Fair play, if you like.
What is Kinnear's job? What does he actually do? How does he help the club succeed? Are we getting value for money? Fair play though, a millionaire learning on the job, fair play.
any free transfers coming in?
All the loan players are probably gone for good. We will eventually lose money on their transfers. At least we have reduced the wage bill this season and had a clear out.
Llorente on 115k a week is taking the piss
Being second in the SPL is equivalent to being second in a school sack race. Irrelevant
And it’s not Good enough
I still think kinnear should go, we need a clean break from the last regime.
At no point did I see smoke coming from the pants on fire of Tory Twat; the chances of you doing another interview next year seems low.
You guys did very well with your questions but at one point I thought Angus was going to put on a 9ers baseball cap with the slogan "I have a cunning plan" on it.
Are the Phillips mugs 5% fatter than the other Mugs?
Let's be honest Dan and Phil . players gone ain't returning. To be clear no fucking chance. Sold for a loss is happening. If back in prem there is no return for these loan players. End off.
Brilliant again lads 👍👌
Everybody who has lef cannot and is not wanted back...feck em...we want only players who want to wear our famous white shirt....I would love to get your new team in the FA cup mind.......just so you know!